Yep, and the Peaks were in a badly maintained state by this stage, years after major overhauls were stopped and a few months from total withdrawal. I think I've remarked on John's videos before, Peaks with a heavy load in their final years sometimes made a kind of whining noise, you can definitely hear it on this one, not the sign of a very healthy engine.
@kevinfowkes2327. Even in their final years, the 45s could attain 115 mph. The Chief Traction.Inspector told me that was good, as at 118 mph the armatures spin off the traction motors, adding "I won't tell you how I found that out !"
I did the avoiding route once, cant remember what on. If memory serves me right, it was taken out of use for a few years before being reinstated and diverted to serve the 2 new platforms at Nuneaton station. Before that the bham to Leicester route trains had to get across the wcml at nuneaton station. In the 80s those services were brum to Norwich, class 31 hauled!
While memory fades, as a spotter of a certain age - I first bunked the Trent Valley diesel dock in 1970 - I'm sure we (also) called it 'the overhead'. As far as the type of traffic to be seen, in April 1972 a fellow spotter swore blind he'd heard a Deltic crossing the Weddington Road during the night heading for Abbey Street. LOL - the rantings of a known fantasist. Courtesy of Napier Chronicles: It was 9006 on a Peterborough to Castle Bromwich cement presumably deputising for the more usual 25 or 31. He who laughs last... (Was this the only production Deltic to operate through Nuneaton on a service train?)
Ha ha, brilliant. I think we all knew the fantasists and 'cribbers' as we called them. I was spotting from 75 so was unaware what went on at Nuneaton prior to that but pretty sure no deltic ever came near after that year otherwise we'd have all heard about it. There were quite a few spotters at Trent Valley at that time of all ages. Very happy days.
2:30 Any idea what the Class 45/0 railtour was, or the number of the loco ? It is almost certainly a tour I was on ! If it had a Peak on the front, I normally booked it. Thanks for capturing the scene on video. Happy memories !
Hi, it was 45052 on 'The Avon Lady' Railtour (Hertfordshire Tours). 45110 worked it from St Pancras to Leicester where 052 took over for the rest of the tour. Date was 2nd May 1988.
Wow ! Thank you very much for the information. Oddly, I was NOT on this tour. I had no excuse. I was free that weekend ! But I had both locos before twice in other tours. 45 110 worked Marylebone to Stainforth to Finsbury Park for the Area Manager Watford on 15/11/86. 45 110 also worked a Pathfinder Tours trip to Fishguard Harbour and MOD Trecwn on 27/02/88. 45 052 did the St Pancras to Leeds via Hope leg of Hertfordshire Railtours Thames Eden to Carlisle that also featured 45 007 + 45 128 in tandem Leeds to Carlisle to Leeds, and a third steam heat Peak, 45 037 from Leeds to Kings Cross on 25//09/87. 45 052 also worked to Buxton and Blackpool on a Pathfinder Tours which I caught from Leicester on 14/05/88. I was on all four of these. Phew ! I thought I had missed out !
@@foretrak 2nd May 1988 was a Monday, but presumably Bank Holiday Monday. I say that because the NSE stock was mk1 hence probably from the Euston-Northampton commuter services. They were widely used at weekends for railtours and on holiday services like Euston-Pwllheli, but were busy on their normal duties on weekdays. Guess the Northampton loco-hauled trains didn't run on Bank Holidays. The railtour would have to have been back to London in good time for stock to be used on the early services from Northampton on Tuesday 3rd though.
There must have been a couple of years' date range across this one, because the Peaks were all long scrapped when the 60s first came on the scene. The Peak on the railtour would have been 1987 or 1988 I'm guessing, I think the whole class was withdrawn by the end of 88. From memory the 60s started to appear from about 1990 onwards. Trains hauled by a single class 20 were very rare, at least by the 80s. You do see pictures of odd trip workings in Scotland in that period but, despite growing up next to a class 20 stamping ground in the 80s (the Erewah Valley line), I'm struggling to remember ever seeing it in the midlands.
The Midlands were famous for 20s on the Sheffield/Derby Skegness summer Saturday services albeit in pairs. The only time I had a single 20 was when 20 039 piloted 47 414 between Ayr and Stranraer on the Stranraer Harbour Boat Train (21.15 Euston to Stranraer) vice a Class 27. The pilot loco was added at Ayr to work a freight back, and allow signalboxes to close early rather than send it light engine after the train had cleared the long sections.
Britain's fasted accelerating loco, with five field diverts (Class 45). The Class 44 had lower horsepower and the Class 46 only had three field diverts like a Class 47.
@kevinfowkes2327 The ETH only restriction only applies in winter and came into existence after David Maxey of Rail Enthusiast Magazine wrote a piece entitled Cod Fish Finger Tours, or something similar. He had been travelling on the superb RESL's Royal Scot tour on Friday 28th December 1984 which featured an electric loco Euston to Crewe, 40 086 + 40 152 Crewe to Polmadie, a pair of 20s Polmadie to Glasgow Central, a single 26 on Load 17 in deep snow back to Polmadie for the 40s to Crewe and another electric loco to Euston. 40 086 was boiler fitted but her boiler expired at Weaver Junction heading north. Southbound, the loco nearest the train was the no boiler 40 152. So basically no heat north of Crewe. Although the lovely 26 did provide heat ! There were 6ft deep snow drifts through the Lune Valley and by the time we reached Carlisle, the ice was 2 inches thick inside the windows, and the whole of the window covered. Outside the train was so encrusted with snow, you could not see the outlines of the windows, and all doors had to be kicked because the locks had frozen. But who needs heat with traction as wonderful as that !!
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Superb archive footage John. Thanks for sharing 👍, Colin.
Glad you enjoyed it Thanks for watching.
13 coaches is a fair load for a peak, proper 1970s grimy feel about this one.
Thanks for sharing 👍
13 is nothing for a Peak, would take that in it's stride.
Glad you enjoyed it
Yep, and the Peaks were in a badly maintained state by this stage, years after major overhauls were stopped and a few months from total withdrawal. I think I've remarked on John's videos before, Peaks with a heavy load in their final years sometimes made a kind of whining noise, you can definitely hear it on this one, not the sign of a very healthy engine.
@@Shelfandtabletoplayouts00gauge fairly normal in the pre HST north east south west route days. 45/0s and 46s, 45/1s domain was the MML in those days.
@kevinfowkes2327. Even in their final years, the 45s could attain 115 mph. The Chief Traction.Inspector told me that was good, as at 118 mph the armatures spin off the traction motors, adding "I won't tell you how I found that out !"
Nice footage 👍👍👍
Thanks for the visit
Great video John, I always like seeing historical videos from Nuneaton seeing it's my nearest mainline station
Glad you enjoyed it
Excellent, could have watched that for hours!
Thanks for posting.
You're welcome!
Excellent footage again, all history now apart from the bridge 😊
Thanks. ;-)
Nice for putting it out there one day it will all be gone ❤
Excellent film. Thanks for posting
You're welcome
Great footage. Thanks for sharing.
I cycle down Stoney road, when I go from Cov to Shenton, no idea it used to be like that, great vid, thanks.
Thanks for watching
Great slagheap in the back ground!Thanks.
'Mount Jud' ;-)
I remember it from the 80s, presumably it's gone now?
I did the avoiding route once, cant remember what on. If memory serves me right, it was taken out of use for a few years before being reinstated and diverted to serve the 2 new platforms at Nuneaton station. Before that the bham to Leicester route trains had to get across the wcml at nuneaton station. In the 80s those services were brum to Norwich, class 31 hauled!
Happy New year to allx
Thanks Narcy, same to you.
Fantastic video, i live quite literally a stonesthrow from the bridge. A lot of change in the landscape but still a great place for its veriety
While memory fades, as a spotter of a certain age - I first bunked the Trent Valley diesel dock in 1970 - I'm sure we (also) called it 'the overhead'.
As far as the type of traffic to be seen, in April 1972 a fellow spotter swore blind he'd heard a Deltic crossing the Weddington Road during the night heading for Abbey Street. LOL - the rantings of a known fantasist.
Courtesy of Napier Chronicles: It was 9006 on a Peterborough to Castle Bromwich cement presumably deputising for the more usual 25 or 31. He who laughs last...
(Was this the only production Deltic to operate through Nuneaton on a service train?)
Ha ha, brilliant. I think we all knew the fantasists and 'cribbers' as we called them. I was spotting from 75 so was unaware what went on at Nuneaton prior to that but pretty sure no deltic ever came near after that year otherwise we'd have all heard about it. There were quite a few spotters at Trent Valley at that time of all ages. Very happy days.
The best days by far
Great spotting spot in the 80s, everything went that way until it was closed and traffic diverted via Water Orton.
That was some rough track!
2:30 Any idea what the Class 45/0 railtour was, or the number of the loco ? It is almost certainly a tour I was on ! If it had a Peak on the front, I normally booked it. Thanks for capturing the scene on video. Happy memories !
Hi, it was 45052 on 'The Avon Lady' Railtour (Hertfordshire Tours). 45110 worked it from St Pancras to Leicester where 052 took over for the rest of the tour. Date was 2nd May 1988.
Wow ! Thank you very much for the information.
Oddly, I was NOT on this tour. I had no excuse. I was free that weekend !
But I had both locos before twice in other tours.
45 110 worked Marylebone to Stainforth to Finsbury Park for the Area Manager Watford on 15/11/86.
45 110 also worked a Pathfinder Tours trip to Fishguard Harbour and MOD Trecwn on 27/02/88.
45 052 did the St Pancras to Leeds via Hope leg of Hertfordshire Railtours Thames Eden to Carlisle that also featured 45 007 + 45 128 in tandem Leeds to Carlisle to Leeds, and a third steam heat Peak, 45 037 from Leeds to Kings Cross on 25//09/87.
45 052 also worked to Buxton and Blackpool on a Pathfinder Tours which I caught from Leicester on 14/05/88.
I was on all four of these. Phew ! I thought I had missed out !
@@foretrak 2nd May 1988 was a Monday, but presumably Bank Holiday Monday. I say that because the NSE stock was mk1 hence probably from the Euston-Northampton commuter services. They were widely used at weekends for railtours and on holiday services like Euston-Pwllheli, but were busy on their normal duties on weekdays. Guess the Northampton loco-hauled trains didn't run on Bank Holidays. The railtour would have to have been back to London in good time for stock to be used on the early services from Northampton on Tuesday 3rd though.
There must have been a couple of years' date range across this one, because the Peaks were all long scrapped when the 60s first came on the scene. The Peak on the railtour would have been 1987 or 1988 I'm guessing, I think the whole class was withdrawn by the end of 88. From memory the 60s started to appear from about 1990 onwards.
Trains hauled by a single class 20 were very rare, at least by the 80s. You do see pictures of odd trip workings in Scotland in that period but, despite growing up next to a class 20 stamping ground in the 80s (the Erewah Valley line), I'm struggling to remember ever seeing it in the midlands.
The Midlands were famous for 20s on the Sheffield/Derby Skegness summer Saturday services albeit in pairs.
The only time I had a single 20 was when 20 039 piloted 47 414 between Ayr and Stranraer on the Stranraer Harbour Boat Train (21.15 Euston to Stranraer) vice a Class 27. The pilot loco was added at Ayr to work a freight back, and allow signalboxes to close early rather than send it light engine after the train had cleared the long sections.
Cant resist looking at a video showing a peak.
Britain's fasted accelerating loco, with five field diverts (Class 45). The Class 44 had lower horsepower and the Class 46 only had three field diverts like a Class 47.
Mr Wells sir, did you have nothing better to do back in the day but video trains? 2.01 Mount Judd in the background.
Not guilty your Honour. It's all the work of a close friend on mine. I was probably at work in the boxes most of the time. ;-)
Great video. Happy 2025 🎉
Same to you!
"Welcome home George"
Train load of Mermaids, i still have the nightmares 😂
what was the Peak on the railtour?
It was 45052
@@foretrak Cheers Great vids, keep them coming
@@foretrak No heat...wouldn't get away with that now. It can still be chilly on 2nd May.
@kevinfowkes2327 The ETH only restriction only applies in winter and came into existence after David Maxey of Rail Enthusiast Magazine wrote a piece entitled Cod Fish Finger Tours, or something similar. He had been travelling on the superb RESL's Royal Scot tour on Friday 28th December 1984 which featured an electric loco Euston to Crewe, 40 086 + 40 152 Crewe to Polmadie, a pair of 20s Polmadie to Glasgow Central, a single 26 on Load 17 in deep snow back to Polmadie for the 40s to Crewe and another electric loco to Euston.
40 086 was boiler fitted but her boiler expired at Weaver Junction heading north. Southbound, the loco nearest the train was the no boiler 40 152. So basically no heat north of Crewe. Although the lovely 26 did provide heat ! There were 6ft deep snow drifts through the Lune Valley and by the time we reached Carlisle, the ice was 2 inches thick inside the windows, and the whole of the window covered. Outside the train was so encrusted with snow, you could not see the outlines of the windows, and all doors had to be kicked because the locks had frozen. But who needs heat with traction as wonderful as that !!