It is difficult to emigrate, and we miss South Africa...But it is all worth it to know that you do not contribute your hard earned money to a corrupt, criminal cartel like the ANC to waste on cars and girlfriends....
Hang in there, where ever in the world you are. I jumped the ship in 2020, just 2 months before the first covid-lockdown. I'm doing well in Poland; I'm working in my field (Electronics Engineer) and my current employer really appreciates my 30-year experience with the English language.
Hahaha!! If you are in Brittain...your goverment don't move a finger to stop the illeagal immigrants from crossing the canal...there goes your hard earn tax money...if you are in New Zealand your goverment pump every year about NZ$3.5BILL up the Maori s asse...if you are in Australia its about AU$4bill they pump up the Abbo asses..we all know Canada is a wealfare state...so please...dont talk rubbish....
There is no place you can go where your tax money is not wasted on corrupt criminals. Its just that when you are new to a country you experience something called the "honeymoon phase" where you are so excited to live in a new place that your mind will convince you that the new place is vastly superior to your old place in every way possible. But once the honeymoon phase wears off after some years, you will realize that you just traded one set of problems for another set of problems, and then start feeling like you were overreacting to the the problems you ran from back home. This is why so many South Africans keep running back home in droves each and every year.
@@gregwochlik9233 You can do well in that position even in a country like Nigeria. You have to mention things that you now experience that you were not able to experience before (like the lack of aggressive taxi drivers or dodgy characters loitering next to your yard).
It means just that. Non supportive , indifferent, tone deaf to basic requirements of citizen. Ie law and order and equality before the law(labor market and business opportunities).
Another excellent interview, Aviwe. Thank you. I'm South African. Been here all my life. Am older now. I've watched South Africa crumble. Over the last decade or so, I've drifted to watching the news in UK/US/AU, et al. Why? Because in other Western countries, there is a chance of Rule of Law, whereas here there isn't. I'd rather know about a world where people have a chance at a better life than grovel in a hopeless country like South Africa. Now that I've found your show, I might find a way to be a bit more interested. Thank you. New light in my life :).
Wow, what a thought: "SA's tax base is so small that the government doesn't have to listen to its taxpayers. 2 choices: you either vote the government out ( which isn't easy for a minority) or you have to emigrate."
The major problem that hinders both economic growth and economic development in this country is the lack of people with technical qualifications at cabinet level. Our cabinet should be filled with people who are technically qualified in their respective fields, especially in engineering. South Africa should have been made a destination of choice for technically qualified people across the world, not for drug dealers and human traffickers. The cost of corruption is a hindrance to making this country a tax haven.
Who needs skills when there is BBEEE? The value of a worker in government, NPO's or tenders is not measured in skill or knowledge, but apparently by the colour of their skin.
You are talking a load of rubbish...nowhere in the world is this the case.Ministers are nothing else than good managers.Its clear you don't understand how politics work.
@@truth-Hurts375 I live in Singapore and here the government only hires the brightest of the bright into senior government roles. Ministers are all highly educated and often were top of their classes at major universities
Why on earth would a cabinet minister need such qualifications instead of having managerial qualifications? The cabinet minister is not the one who will be drawing up technical plans on building a new bridge, or developing an AI controlled mapping machine. The minister's job is to coordinate government resources and schedules to address issues within his/her area of control. And if this coordination means building a new bridge, he will hire highly qualified technical experts to make proposals and feasibility studies. If the proposals are agreed upon, a tender will be advertised to companies that are up to the challenge. The system we have is already adequate. The weak link in the chain is the tender process where corruption is given an opportunity to thrive.
Government policies need to change. They make it hard for businesses to survive by having higher taxes for businesses and individuals. Their affirmative action policies don't work and people have no choice but to go elsewhere.
We are gaining drug dealers, cleaners, fruit selers, barbers, most of whom are illegally influxing in the country and pay no tax while straining the country of its limited resources. On the other hand we are losing good tax payers that contribute to the economy. We are screwed.
We are planning to leave soon, w family of 6, have our own businesses in SA with we'll close here and reopen abroad. Just deciding on where to go. Where did you end up?
@@truth-Hurts375 I made peace with the tax issue. I will get hammered on the exchange rate though. I'm waiting on a SARS clearance certificate, and well, it is SA burocracy.
Why are you trying to convience people to jump ship. You were driven by hate to relocate. South Africa is the best country in the world. In Poland your skin colour doesn't matter, what matters is your culture and language. How does it feel to be a foreigner in a country in which the citizens are the same race as you?
I hope Cyril has a plan B to keep on paying the 20 million + people on social grants, or all hell will break loose! But then again, government will just all board a plane at midnight in Waterkloof one night for Dubai (Gupta style) and go and live a life of luxury on all the stolen billions stashed over there. Let the remaining poor in SA 'eat cake', any bets? 😂
Not only whites leaving. Black mechanics and school teachers etc too are not only earning more but moving for security and a better life lets just be honest!!
The second an opportunity comes for me to go abroad - I am taking it, you can't care and fight for your country's soul as people while those in power are taking us back everyday and seem to not care.
My first thought was, only 40k, from negative news reporting I’d have thought that over 5 years, that the number would have been far greater. Is that number reasonably accepted as correct?
@@resphantom Good luck...just remember...its not going to be easy....look after your family...if you got young children...the bad ones except them much easier in their groups than the better ones....
Hi Rob, this number comes from SARS, and is people who have ACTIVELY gone through the process of forfeiting their South African tax residency. Only in my circle of recent varsity graduates I know a few who have emigrated without going through this process. You are correct in assuming people who have left being way higher than people who have left AND forfeited their tax residency officially.
So, if say I ask for my SA citizenship back, will this then mean that SA is under the impression that they can tax my salary that I’ve earned overseas?
You haven’t lost your citizenship don’t worry. Go back on holiday on your new passport, walk into home affairs and apply for a new SA passport. One hand doesn’t know what the other is doing.
I'm tired that the exact same useless party keeps coming back in, even when you elect for more qualified parties. I can't even start an NPO on local community level, because if it gets past 50 people, the government starts hitting us with race quotas. I'd rather have a skillful staff with competence than to fill a race quota. I can't see myself building a family or future with a corrupt government and degrading infrastructure. Every year ANC tries to pull some last minute BS one year before elections to try and get votes. In 2 months I'm out of this country, I'll vote my last vote next year. Hope it makes a difference.
To say the people who are leaving are not high earners is silly and shortsighted. If they are young professionals they will be earning R1million a year or more within a few years time.
Emigrated 6 years ago now and keen to get back to SA. The foreign currency we have accumulated will take us far in SA so I think young people are doing exactly what they should be doing. Hopefully like us you all decide to come back and when you do every foreign currency you exchange for rands will strengthen the currency and help with foreign reserves and with the foreign debt pile so we are doing a social good at the same time.
I went back to SA few years ago, and now I left again. There are many reasons to leave, unfortunately these reasons outweigh the reasons to stay in South Africa. And it is not much of a choice to stay with the circumstances. My advice is not to return unless you are back only for retirement.
South Africa approach to immigration is flawed. A lot of the common wealth countries are providing incentives for people with skills and resources to migrate. South Africa have tainted their country with the put South Africa first.
all countries prioritize their citizens and thats why you see them having businesses and job reservations strictly for their own citizens. SA is busy with poor hungry desperate broke unskilled uneducated unwanted annoying African migrants who comes to SA to fight poor black South Africans for their crumbs mxm
Sad we seen as tax cows when the government doesn’t care for young people. Imagine and it’s not even going to tangable change in the country or maintenance of infrastructure. Go where you valued young South Africans
Ask Dischem why young educated white South Africans are leaving in droves. No hiring of any white people or promotion of white people in that company. In any case, I got fed up with the racist employment laws of South Africa and left. I had one small suitcase, an offshore bag, and a backpack when I left. The money that was spent on my education would have a current value, around USD 350,000. Then, why would any white South African stay in the country only to be told: "Sorry, you can only apply for this job if you're black, coloured, Indian or asian". I left after listening to that phrase for almost a year. And to anyone following this story, tax emigration is not required when you leave SA. This man's comments about living and working abroad are patently wrong and misleading. The primary test is where you are "Normally Domiciled" regardless of family connections. His further statement, that ownership of SOUTH AFRICAN shares, will somehow affect your tax residency, is patently wrong. If you're not in South Africa, but hold shares, bonds, cash, property, in SA you only have to pay taxes on those, not your whole income. You might actually be able to offset those taxes in the country you live in. The Dual Tax Agreement between the SA goverment and many foreign countries, trumps any SA tax law. All of the DTA's that I've looked at follows the standard UN template. This man is also wrong about tax residency of full or partial emplyment abroad, while having property in South Africa. The first test is:"Where are you normally domiciled?" There is also the 186 day (I think), and the 325 day rule, wich means that if you're outside SA for more than 186 days during a tax year, you do NOT have to declare your income and don't have to pay tax on it, in SA, but you'll have to pay taxes to the country where you work and are domociled in.
What is a country without contributing towards the fiscus. Sa is going for the dogs. All that is happening china developes and a future foreigners in sa. Is this really going to help the very poor? Namibia a prime example. So ethiopia. In namibia the chinese employ their own. There has been media complaints from ethiopia that the citizens who are employed is done without labour law. We are pointed out as colonisers. No wonder everyone is leaving
What a stupid conversation. You should rather have sympathy for the old & poor people that cannot emigrate. Please ask other countries to help us get out as well before we become just another crime statistic.
What I find funny is that it's the old and poor that keeps voting for a government that doesn't work. There isn't enough working taxpaying young voters that can vote out this stupid government. So we would rather leave.
NO!!! EVERYONE who CAN, should pack up and LEAVE!!! those Sh!tHeads will THEN hopefully discover the Gravy Tap running dry when all the providers are gone.. then I want to see them taking each other out.. I'll PAY to see that!! lol
It is difficult to emigrate, and we miss South Africa...But it is all worth it to know that you do not contribute your hard earned money to a corrupt, criminal cartel like the ANC to waste on cars and girlfriends....
Hang in there, where ever in the world you are. I jumped the ship in 2020, just 2 months before the first covid-lockdown. I'm doing well in Poland; I'm working in my field (Electronics Engineer) and my current employer really appreciates my 30-year experience with the English language.
Hahaha!! If you are in Brittain...your goverment don't move a finger to stop the illeagal immigrants from crossing the canal...there goes your hard earn tax money...if you are in New Zealand your goverment pump every year about NZ$3.5BILL up the Maori s asse...if you are in Australia its about AU$4bill they pump up the Abbo asses..we all know Canada is a wealfare state...so please...dont talk rubbish....
Something quite refreshing to drive past a ' Your Tax Dollars at Work ' sign next to an infrastructure project.
There is no place you can go where your tax money is not wasted on corrupt criminals. Its just that when you are new to a country you experience something called the "honeymoon phase" where you are so excited to live in a new place that your mind will convince you that the new place is vastly superior to your old place in every way possible.
But once the honeymoon phase wears off after some years, you will realize that you just traded one set of problems for another set of problems, and then start feeling like you were overreacting to the the problems you ran from back home. This is why so many South Africans keep running back home in droves each and every year.
@@gregwochlik9233 You can do well in that position even in a country like Nigeria. You have to mention things that you now experience that you were not able to experience before (like the lack of aggressive taxi drivers or dodgy characters loitering next to your yard).
What do you expect when a government is so hostile towards its own people?
It means just that. Non supportive , indifferent, tone deaf to basic requirements of citizen. Ie law and order and equality before the law(labor market and business opportunities).
Another excellent interview, Aviwe. Thank you. I'm South African. Been here all my life. Am older now. I've watched South Africa crumble. Over the last decade or so, I've drifted to watching the news in UK/US/AU, et al. Why? Because in other Western countries, there is a chance of Rule of Law, whereas here there isn't. I'd rather know about a world where people have a chance at a better life than grovel in a hopeless country like South Africa. Now that I've found your show, I might find a way to be a bit more interested. Thank you. New light in my life :).
This interview should be titled "Tax Implications of Criminality in Leadership".
Wow, what a thought: "SA's tax base is so small that the government doesn't have to listen to its taxpayers. 2 choices: you either vote the government out ( which isn't easy for a minority) or you have to emigrate."
The major problem that hinders both economic growth and economic development in this country is the lack of people with technical qualifications at cabinet level. Our cabinet should be filled with people who are technically qualified in their respective fields, especially in engineering. South Africa should have been made a destination of choice for technically qualified people across the world, not for drug dealers and human traffickers. The cost of corruption is a hindrance to making this country a tax haven.
Who needs skills when there is BBEEE? The value of a worker in government, NPO's or tenders is not measured in skill or knowledge, but apparently by the colour of their skin.
You are talking a load of rubbish...nowhere in the world is this the case.Ministers are nothing else than good managers.Its clear you don't understand how politics work.
@Ohmylort Do some research, you'll be surprised at the outcome.
@@truth-Hurts375 I live in Singapore and here the government only hires the brightest of the bright into senior government roles. Ministers are all highly educated and often were top of their classes at major universities
Why on earth would a cabinet minister need such qualifications instead of having managerial qualifications? The cabinet minister is not the one who will be drawing up technical plans on building a new bridge, or developing an AI controlled mapping machine. The minister's job is to coordinate government resources and schedules to address issues within his/her area of control. And if this coordination means building a new bridge, he will hire highly qualified technical experts to make proposals and feasibility studies. If the proposals are agreed upon, a tender will be advertised to companies that are up to the challenge.
The system we have is already adequate. The weak link in the chain is the tender process where corruption is given an opportunity to thrive.
Government policies need to change. They make it hard for businesses to survive by having higher taxes for businesses and individuals. Their affirmative action policies don't work and people have no choice but to go elsewhere.
It's sad to see South Africa like this. The ANC should be kicked out of power next year. Enough is enough!
@spiderman-jv8we The ANC black political class is behaving like the National Party. People don't eat freedom and democracy. Do they?
We are gaining drug dealers, cleaners, fruit selers, barbers, most of whom are illegally influxing in the country and pay no tax while straining the country of its limited resources. On the other hand we are losing good tax payers that contribute to the economy. We are screwed.
And I am one of the 40 000 that left, and so God damned happy that I did.
We are planning to leave soon, w family of 6, have our own businesses in SA with we'll close here and reopen abroad. Just deciding on where to go. Where did you end up?
@@natashavdb3481 New Zealand. After I got my Kiwi passport I settled in Australia. I wish you good luck.
already there is not enough tax money to go around.. now with nh1 coming... all hell is going to break loose.. get out while you can
I jumped the ship without doing the whole SARS thing. It is now 3.5 years in Poland, with full citizenship, that I'm trying to get my pension out.
Haha....thats not going to be easy....and you are going to pay almost a third on tax whenever you get it right.
@@truth-Hurts375 I made peace with the tax issue. I will get hammered on the exchange rate though. I'm waiting on a SARS clearance certificate, and well, it is SA burocracy.
You won't get it out without sorting out the tax situation. Too late now. Law changed.
Why are you trying to convience people to jump ship. You were driven by hate to relocate. South Africa is the best country in the world. In Poland your skin colour doesn't matter, what matters is your culture and language. How does it feel to be a foreigner in a country in which the citizens are the same race as you?
@@MrEvansjethrohate? You mean like BBEEE?
I hope Cyril has a plan B to keep on paying the 20 million + people on social grants, or all hell will break loose!
But then again, government will just all board a plane at midnight in Waterkloof one night for Dubai (Gupta style) and go and live a life of luxury on all the stolen billions stashed over there. Let the remaining poor in SA 'eat cake', any bets? 😂
Squirrel is a billionaire with underfloor heating and luxury. He don’t give a fukc
I think you are right. God help you poor buggers when that happens. Fortunately for me, I'm safe in Australia.
Not only whites leaving. Black mechanics and school teachers etc too are not only earning more but moving for security and a better life lets just be honest!!
The second an opportunity comes for me to go abroad - I am taking it, you can't care and fight for your country's soul as people while those in power are taking us back everyday and seem to not care.
ANC steals feom tax payers, inevitable bruh
My first thought was, only 40k, from negative news reporting I’d have thought that over 5 years, that the number would have been far greater. Is that number reasonably accepted as correct?
Not accurate at all. In my case, I moved in Jan 2020. I changed my address with SARS, but I'm now battling to get my pension out.
@@gregwochlik9233 I'm moving out in 2 months, I'm glad I worked for a startup that didn't yet force a pension on me.
@@gregwochlik9233 No one can fix stupid....you have to close everything with SARS...why didn't you you do your homework???
@@resphantom Good luck...just remember...its not going to be easy....look after your family...if you got young children...the bad ones except them much easier in their groups than the better ones....
Hi Rob, this number comes from SARS, and is people who have ACTIVELY gone through the process of forfeiting their South African tax residency. Only in my circle of recent varsity graduates I know a few who have emigrated without going through this process. You are correct in assuming people who have left being way higher than people who have left AND forfeited their tax residency officially.
So, if say I ask for my SA citizenship back, will this then mean that SA is under the impression that they can tax my salary that I’ve earned overseas?
Why the hell would you want to do that? have you gone mad???
You haven’t lost your citizenship don’t worry. Go back on holiday on your new passport, walk into home affairs and apply for a new SA passport. One hand doesn’t know what the other is doing.
it is a shame we the youth want a better life free from corruption the only way is to live oversees. SA lost another Elon Musk
I'm leaving for Mauritius.
Also Elon Musk is a fraud btw, just do some research.
I'm tired that the exact same useless party keeps coming back in, even when you elect for more qualified parties. I can't even start an NPO on local community level, because if it gets past 50 people, the government starts hitting us with race quotas. I'd rather have a skillful staff with competence than to fill a race quota.
I can't see myself building a family or future with a corrupt government and degrading infrastructure.
Every year ANC tries to pull some last minute BS one year before elections to try and get votes. In 2 months I'm out of this country, I'll vote my last vote next year. Hope it makes a difference.
To say the people who are leaving are not high earners is silly and shortsighted. If they are young professionals they will be earning R1million a year or more within a few years time.
Emigrated 6 years ago now and keen to get back to SA. The foreign currency we have accumulated will take us far in SA so I think young people are doing exactly what they should be doing. Hopefully like us you all decide to come back and when you do every foreign currency you exchange for rands will strengthen the currency and help with foreign reserves and with the foreign debt pile so we are doing a social good at the same time.
I went back to SA few years ago, and now I left again. There are many reasons to leave, unfortunately these reasons outweigh the reasons to stay in South Africa. And it is not much of a choice to stay with the circumstances.
My advice is not to return unless you are back only for retirement.
South Africa approach to immigration is flawed. A lot of the common wealth countries are providing incentives for people with skills and resources to migrate. South Africa have tainted their country with the put South Africa first.
all countries prioritize their citizens and thats why you see them having businesses and job reservations strictly for their own citizens. SA is busy with poor hungry desperate broke unskilled uneducated unwanted annoying African migrants who comes to SA to fight poor black South Africans for their crumbs mxm
Rubbish....name those incentives.
Many countries provide tax breaks and incentives for foreigners
Australia is actively calling up people around the world and enticing them to come.
People that migrate to South Africa are mostly not skilled they work jobs like being waiters or street vendors!
Makes sense.
Sad we seen as tax cows when the government doesn’t care for young people. Imagine and it’s not even going to tangable change in the country or maintenance of infrastructure. Go where you valued young South Africans
Nice background
I really love SA but the BS thts happening to tax payers is crazy. Its like u get punished for getting off ur $ and working to get what u want.
How can we vote ANC out of power?
Ask Dischem why young educated white South Africans are leaving in droves. No hiring of any white people or promotion of white people in that company. In any case, I got fed
up with the racist employment laws of South Africa and left. I had one small suitcase, an offshore bag, and a backpack when I left. The money that was spent on my education would have a current value, around USD 350,000. Then, why would any white South African stay in the country only to be told: "Sorry, you can only apply for this job if you're black, coloured, Indian or asian". I left after listening to that phrase for almost a year.
And to anyone following this story, tax emigration is not required when you leave SA. This man's comments about living and working abroad are patently wrong and misleading. The primary test is where you are "Normally Domiciled" regardless of family connections. His further statement, that ownership of SOUTH AFRICAN shares, will somehow affect your tax residency, is patently wrong. If you're not in South Africa, but hold shares, bonds, cash, property, in SA you only have to pay taxes on those, not your whole income. You might actually be able to offset those taxes in the country you live in. The Dual Tax Agreement between the SA goverment and many foreign countries, trumps any SA tax law. All of the DTA's that I've looked at follows the standard UN template.
This man is also wrong about tax residency of full or partial emplyment abroad, while having property in South Africa. The first test is:"Where are you normally domiciled?" There is also the 186 day (I think), and the 325 day rule, wich means that if you're outside SA for more than 186 days during a tax year, you do NOT have to declare your income and don't have to pay tax on it, in SA, but you'll have to pay taxes to the country where you work and are domociled in.
What about BEE, but you want to keep the skills,this is criminal, SARS and this country faktap!
viva anc
Why didnt i see this before my exam
What is a country without contributing towards the fiscus. Sa is going for the dogs. All that is happening china developes and a future foreigners in sa. Is this really going to help the very poor? Namibia a prime example. So ethiopia. In namibia the chinese employ their own. There has been media complaints from ethiopia that the citizens who are employed is done without labour law. We are pointed out as colonisers. No wonder everyone is leaving
What a stupid conversation. You should rather have sympathy for the old & poor people that cannot emigrate. Please ask other countries to help us get out as well before we become just another crime statistic.
What I find funny is that it's the old and poor that keeps voting for a government that doesn't work.
There isn't enough working taxpaying young voters that can vote out this stupid government. So we would rather leave.
Anyone that has ever voted for the ANC absolutely deserves the misery they are in now.
Unfortunately the rest of the world only recognises black refugees.
this answer will get you no where.... do some home work and empathy is what you need not sympathy
The majority singing one settler one bullet is a big job creator ..eff policies killthefarmer works well to.
Divide and conquer.
@@SphesihleDlamini-sf9ji lol whatever blows your pepper corns back
@@troothhertz6297 why you saying majority when it's just a few idiots wearing red
@@SphesihleDlamini-sf9ji Even if the majority dont sing that, they are still dumb fools who vote poorly
agreed 100%
emigration is NOT easy - nor isit easy to find a new country who will accept migrants from 3rd world countries!!!
Not necessarily true. If you have sought after qualifications and are under 45, it is very possible. I did, and it wasn't hard.
Why would you stay in a country where you can not find a job because of your skim color?
We the wight people voted to transfer the country to BMR but are now 29 years later still discriminated against
NO!!! EVERYONE who CAN, should pack up and LEAVE!!! those Sh!tHeads will THEN hopefully discover the Gravy Tap running dry when all the providers are gone.. then I want to see them taking each other out.. I'll PAY to see that!! lol