This Revolutionary World Record Is Actually Just Fake
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- Опубліковано 10 тра 2023
- In this video, I go over the Lide cheating situation.
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The fact that he revealed he was cheating just for attention is mind boggling
not really true tbh
It's not mind boggling, everybody likes to get attention, this dude had a legendary (fake) run, but still didn't get the attention he wanted, so he admitted to cheating, and now many more people know him.
Not mind boggling its just sad, sounds like a sad kid
@@curvywhisper2733 that does actually make sense
It's natural to seek attention. In this age of internet isolation many find solace in attention from internet strangers. I think it's more a sign of the times. He seems lonely, and I don't mean that as an insult, I'm lonely too, and I also have a habit of trying to get attention from internet strangers because I just don't get any irl, no one seems to care about me until I get those youtube likes or reddit upvotes. It's a depressing state to be in.
guess you could say he lide about his runs
LMFAOO
BROOOO
Lmfao good one
No please no.
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imagine he didn’t actually cheat the runs, and he just said he did for attention
You beat me on making this comment.
I was literally thinking of commenting the same thing then I see I was beaten to it.
Should I be scared by that username
@@coopw6365 Yes.
We found a new anti splice method 2 weeks ago and we know that Lide cheated at least in one of his WRs
@@Eliotex oh hi
The domino effect... A little thing in Niko's run seemed a bit weird to me and that's why I started the investigation... and now look at where we are just a few weeks later. Tragedy.
U started an unexpected terror for the cheaters . U kinda made splicing impossible now. Ur contribution won't be forgotten
Splicing is still very doable actually even with all the new strats, which we didnt even make public yet hehe... We also had a domino effect when finding new anti splice methods :D
I'm not sure when those methods will be public. I guess we'll check controversial WRs first (for example Odiz)
@@nilaminecrafter5364 splicing without cutting any corners (like hunger thing for example) is probably undetectably for ever. Things could always improove, for example, he would just have to wait certain amount of time before doing each "attempt" so the hunger bar would twitch, but people want the faster way so they always cut corners and they get exposed
@@Eliotex @rogozinca FC
I didn't thought that through but still the cloud one seems harder to beat. I like to know more about Minecraft technical stuff but I ain't even a little bit close to knowing stuff like that. For an average person it would be harder to cheat.
Still increasing random drops using mod or stuff can be harder to find because people will always have advantage of being "just luck". It will be worse if they find a way to make it basically undetectable.
It will always be a constant war I guess
@@nilaminecrafter5364 1 in 7.5 trillion odds.
As bad as this situation is, it only increases my respect for runners who legitimately spend hours grinding to get better times
The amount of different methods and strats they have to memorize is mad. And the amount of time it takes to get lucky enough for a really good world
Let's just hope none of them are secretly cheating too right? Like, if it came out Feinberg's been cheating this whole time, who could we trust??
why increase it. just because some people are childish enough to lie about getting a speedrun world record doesn't make the achievements more respectable.
And it decreases my amount of respect for them because they are stupid for putting up with this when 90% of the community seems to be cheater which says alot about the speedrunning community as a whole tbh
@@MegaKBang There are cheaters in everything though man you can't say someone's stupid for putting up with it, you could say the same thing about sports, there are cheaters there but people still play the game. also 90% doesn't cheat that's a wild accusation
"hiding in plain sight"
_proceeds to show something unseeable to even most eagle eyes_
If illumina is caught cheating all hope is lost
I trust the old gang to not cheat, Illumina is one of them.
tarokitchen would be even worse, I think. Years of speedrunners trying to beat his records, only to find out they were all fake.
Man, all this Minecraft cheating is just sad. For me at least, it just lowers the trust I have in all runs. I wonder why it's such a big problem specifically in Minecraft speedrunning? Maybe it's easier to cheat than in other games, or harder to detect? Probably both to an extent. Either way, it sucks and I wish all cheaters could just stop and do something meaningful with their lives.
It’s harder to detect in Minecraft, but a lot of these runs that are getting outed now are old. Back then, standards for verification were lower, so it’s way harder to get away with it nowadays.
It's not a problem specifically in Minecraft speedrunning, is the answer to your question. Your entire premise is false.
It's not an specific problem to Minecraft, recently the best player in geometry dash got exposed for cheating, he got away with it for like 2 years, it's just people that like attention but don't want to put the effort to achieve that without cheating or just gave up on trying it legit like lide.
@@Kaika433 man why wont cheaters do meaningful things in their lives, wasting time on cheating.
Minecraft is also one of the most popular speed games, and has demonstrated that good runs can bring a lot of attention. This is another one of the reasons Minecraft has so many cheaters.
I have something to confess... my 49:36 1.16 rsg run is fake. I used a set seed to get it. Im sorry to the community and to all my fans, and I hope I can be forgiven.
im very disappointed in you right now
I mean, You only have 1 sub and that time is not even good so nobody would really care. If You feel guilt for what You have done but You don't want to be banned, I guess just delete the run and try to get a PB legitimately
@@pringle409 Yeah know that I think about it that has way more sense
I find it hilarious that nobody tried to expose him so he got bored of cheating and stopped.
This hunger bar scandal reminds me a lot of what happened in the Trackmania community a couple year back. A player named Donadigo made a tool that tracks how fast a player taps the keys in their runs. Overnight, tons of world records were proven fake and several top players were outed as cheaters (as their inputs were inhumanely fast). Crazy how these detailed detection methods can find out so much.
R I OMEGALUL L U
Bro that's so lame, there is probably a lot more cheaters out there that haven't been discovered.
It does make you think of how many there are still out there undiscovered
100% there are people out there that are actually good AT cheating
We’ll likely find several more cheaters once we get more time to look for them in a month or so.
@@MadSturgeonikr right? It’s so sad. Like imagine being dedicated enough to be GOOD at cheating, let alone do the sinful act of cheating at all. God bless
I don't know who said that, but: "The perfect crime could already have happened. You will never know - or else it would not be a perfect crime"
Fun fact: With Lide's cheated runs now out of the picture. Tarokitchen's 26:48 (26:45 IGT) all the way back on 26th November 2016 would have stood as WR for 1130 days instead of 984 days which makes it the only run in Minecraft history to hold WR for more than 1000 days.
Just let that sink in for a minute. 1130 days. It is already rare for one runner to hold WR for 1000+ days. But to have one single run to hold for roughly the same amount of time is just extraordinary and is something that may not occur in any main category ever again, even with the RNG fest that is 1.16+. Even if it does happen again, it could take years or even a decade to occur.
(Bonus fact: the only WR run in any competitively active game that is somewhat comparable, that I could think of currently is Ohon's 11:48 on Ninja Gaiden on 27th April 2013 which held for 1062 days until Arcus broke that WR on 24th March 2016 with his 11:47, though put something in the replies if you can think of anything else)
Anyways, this would also make Illumina be the one to conquer Taro's WR but not with the 23:53 (23:51 IGT) on 13th February 2020 but a 25:26 run which he got few months prior back in New Year’s Eve of 2019.
However, this is not the only achievement that reaches a milestone as Taro's longest consecutive reign now becomes 2089 days instead of 1943 days starting from his 37:43 back on 12th April 2014 when his runs were over 11 minutes slower compared to his very last WR. 5 years, almost 6. Again, this can't be understated, he was a diamond in the rough, even when speedruns in Minecraft were primitive back then. This reign is also over half the time span of Minecraft lifetime including initial release.
(A minor note: some videos on UA-cam do not include this run like Abacaba's Minecraft WR history video as this run fell under the radar. The only video that I saw mention this was Connor01's own Minecraft WR history video however this was later submitted and verified by BlueCrystal004 on speedrun . com on Christmas' Eve of 2020. However, this mistake from Abacaba's is understandable as the process of collecting info from the speedrun . com Database API was automated, and his video was uploaded 3 months before the 37:43 run was submitted and therefore would have been missed out upon the time of the process)
As for Taro's total reign of the Minecraft WR, it slightly harder to distinguish as the early days of Minecraft speedrunning back in 2012 (though possibly earlier) are not well documented apart from a Japanese Minecraft forum and a few surviving videos from runners on UA-cam, Twitch & Nico nico douga all researched by Connor01 again and I have not seen sufficient info researching myself since the short time span of making this comment to be 100% certain. Therefore, I suggest you take the next few paragraphs with a slight grain of salt.
Tarokitchen did have a second WR reign from 15th August 2012 with his 58:16 back when run were almost 3 Minecraft days long and this run being the first sub hour run in Minecraft Random Seed Glitchless history. During this reign he brought the WR time down to 45:07 which was set on 8th March 2014. This reign was then temporarily brought to a stop by ワタ (wata) on 4th April 2014 with his 43:23. However, this was short lived as Taro got his WR back on 12th April 2014 with the aforementioned 37:43.
This shorter reign of Taro would amount to an additional 597 days makes a grand total reign of 2686 days and ワタ the only person other to obtain WR during those 2 reigns only stopped Taro's dominance for 8 days. Let me reiterate, throughout the 2694 days between 15th August 2012 and 31st December 2019, there were only 8 days where Taro did not have the WR. Simply golden.
On a closing thought, though I have been in awe looking back at Taro's past achievements again and I am happy about it, I do feel that it is a shame that we will probably never get to see a dedicated standalone video/documentary of Taro's accolades and his own story throughout his time of dominance as most videos will be incorrect because most videos before this situation wouldn't acknowledge the 1000+ days run and the 2000+ days reign simply because at the time, we did not know any better. As PikaJ said, Lide could have gotten away with it if he did not randomly comment on that video, and no one would know about the truth or the crazy 2 statistics we had on our hands but was prevented and unnoted because of cheating scandals.
Okay, to something not about statistics, I know PikaJ has covered the 26:48 in his unbeatable records get broken video and the aforementioned Connor01's video explaining briefly all his runs, I do think we can do one better in doing a deep dive especially when he also did live streaming where he had a live following on Twitch & UA-cam which was something that the aforementioned Ohon did not have.
Going back to Connor's video, he displays glimpse of clips and a few seconds of audio of his reaction, you can tell the emotions triumph, joy and happiness in some of them, however one thing that I want you to focus is in Taro's last WR attempt his sub 24/25-minute choke, most people may not understand what he is saying but the raw emotions is there. I am sure every one of you at some point has experienced being so close in doing something monumental and then blundering at the most crucial moment. That pain is mutual. He is human and deep inside he has a personality that his followers have adored for years.
There are very few surviving footages of his streams that have also not been looked at and just like some of the hazy documentation of the early days, you never know when it might just disappear without a trance. Look at the main platforms such as UA-cam and Twitch who change things on a whim and then retrospectively punish or even terminate channels without warning, I do think it is important that we preserved what we might have left of how he is not only as a legendary speedrunner but as a streamer, an entertainer and simply just himself.
PikaJ in previous videos of other dominant reigns such as Feinberg's dominance on Minecraft All Achievements category. He does a good job in displaying his emotions not only in his final reactions to runs, not only through his WR sub 3 hour run but the journey of the trials and tribulations in getting there in the first place. I do feel that we can do a similar tribute about Tarokitchen especially how monumental he been for Minecraft Random Seed Glitchless Speedrunning as a whole and there may never be a person like Tarokitchen ever again.
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Bonkers analysis
I ain't reading allat
@@theschnozzler then dont, nobody cares that you dont wanna "read allat"
@@mukyuuhikuu it's a joke
These mods rly suffering out here with these fakes
It just breaks my heart when an actual respectable runner turns out to be a cheater.
You should see whats going on in the Geometry Dash community like holy shit
@@cyroah9923 yup
Lide came out of nowhere and was not apart of our old group. This is the only thing that I find solace in.
@@Cscuile You mean solace?
@@cynister7384 Whoops, fixed, thanks autocorrect.
Loot table determinism in the latest prerelease is going to add even more cheat detection methods, since loot table modification will be easy to recognise.
Sadly that will only help if the run is in 1.20+ but yeah that occurred to me too
Honestly I would love to see more latest version runs
But 1.16 is the most speedrunned version so only 1.20 speedruns would change
These videos are entertaining with clear explanations and fast paced cheated speedrun entertainment. This is top notch content.
Smaller communities have the benefit of the honor code. We used to verify runs based solely off of trust alone without video. However, unfortunately with popularity, honor dies.
I'm just glad he came forward even if his runs were in 2019.
Why
@@matheuscabral9618 Most of the time people never come clean. However, Lide did. That's why i said that.
Don't cheat if you don't want to be cheated.
‘Speed runners don’t cheat to get a faster time, they cheat to get a better time faster’ is the argument I’ve heard :/
bro really had the weed minecraft pfp too this is too funny to be real
Actually hunger bar not shaking in nikocrafts run isnt 100 % unlegitimacy proof, because for each icon there is 1/3 chance that it will not shake, so there is1/3^10 chance that it doesnt shake for 6 seconds. Youget the point, however its still unpossibly rare
me when the 0.00001693508 every 6 seconds (thanks google)
He is just lucky
I really hope that with all this minecraft cheating drama that one of the most iconic well known runners turns themselves in for cheating, using a mod that makes blaze rods a 1/2 drop rate to a 500,001/1,000,000 droprate.
in light of the spaceuk situation this is so fitting
Respect for the dedication and the fact he managed to fool everyone
trolling is pointless when nobody feels trolled
so he announced that he trolled and it worked
Dang, Lide was like the first runner I ever had watched
Ah, love to start my mornings with Minecraft cheating scandals.
dude Lide is lowkey kinda based here lmao. Like grinded so much he could have probably gotten a real WR just to fake it convincingly, does it multiple times, nobody finds out, then just admits it for the lols
i think you meant he is lowkey kinda of an *sshole who ruined the category for everyone else
Try to be the best at something, anything. You will hopefully see how long it takes to get to the top. Maybe then you will see how disrespectful and not based it is to cheat. loll
Man it’s like geometry dash out here
Only that this is a game that hasn’t had its community waiting on an update for over 6 years.
Always felt like this was inevitably coming but probably not quite on this scale....
“I didn’t want to get exposed so I exposed myself and made it look like an elaborate plan to fool people when I’m reality I just tried to cheat because I wasn’t good enough” is the real response
gotta respect the grind
As much as we all hate cheaters, I think at least I can give respect for those who say they did
No he did it because he wanted attention and he was proud of what he did stop praising the wrong people over and over
I still give him respect
@@AK-nh1gu Eh, still think he’s cool for being so straight forward lol
how?
I admit I used to cheat and I did it because I was bored and liked pissing people off
Spaceuk now hacks Minecraft too?
I think his 14min run is legit tho
This game is one of the biggest speed games, its no surprise that with that there are a lot of cheaters looking for the attention/clout that comes with a good run.
Feel bad for the real speedrunners that got cheated out of top positions and recognition by cheaters.
Whenever someone puts more effort into covering up instead of just doing it the right way, it reminds me of that Ron Swanson quote "I'll work all night to make sure nothing gets done"
this truly is an XD moment
Imagine getting caught cheating because the hunger bar moved a few frames.
2nd upload in 2 weeks, so good
this is what social media has done. people will cheat and lie... even hurt others just to get attention. sad times we live in.
You might want to add the fact that the hunger bar doesn’t always tick every 3.05 seconds. Each hunger icon has a 1/3 chance to go up, go down or not move it all. This means that, technically the first 34 seconds of the end could have been legitimate. The only problem is every single one of the hunger icons would’ve had to choose to stay still for over 10 ticks. The chance of that happening is 1 in 7102217821867e49
So you're saying there's a chance!
you just need a good gaming chair
At this point I'm wondering just how many additional kinds of verification they're gonna start requiring on Minecraft runs, considering how many rules they've _already_ added... They've said that things like handcam, input displays, streaming runs, and having a mic and speaking during the run are _not_ things they'll ever consider due to being prohibitive for many players, at least.
I think that even a year ago or perhaps even more it was relatively easy to have a legitimate top tier run become "unverifiable" for some minor thing, however most players good enough for those sorts of times knew what was required and messed up rarely and it was usually inconsequential anyways. I have no idea what they will add but it can surely only make it harder. I just hope they don't find themselves in a situation where legitimate players are getting runs rejected/accused of cheating, that already happened with Korbanoes well before all this started up...
How are input displays prohibitive? It's a PC game already, so that should be pretty straightforward right?
@@radical_rat It's an extra level of technical program that a lot of non-expert players might not be able to set up (especially making it transparent so it doesn't cover up a large portion of the screen), either due to inexperience or system requirement limitations (the outright ban on OptiFine for recent versions of the game is another example of locking out runners on lower spec systems).
@WackoMcGoose if your device can't run optifine then you probably can't run mc well enough to speedrun
I used to admire him very much. Then in early 2021, he stopped speedrunning and I didn't know why. I'm happy to see him still active and admitted what he did. This man inspired me a lot in my speedrunning hobby.
What's the song at 6:30?
At this point, I will not even be surprised if more speedrunners turns out to be frauds.
wtf an attention seeker who actually knows they want attention and who even says it out...
i mean that's kinda impressive at that point lmfao
So how long did Tarokitchen’s wr actually stand?
an earth-shattering 1130 days from November 26, 2016 to December 31, 2019
By 2029 we're gonna have like 2 legitimate runners lol
What is the music around 1/3 of the video?
In the other hand, pikaJ's upload schedule has gotten so much better....
whats the song at like 3 mins in?
At this point not even illumina could be safe
Underrated channel!
Attention isn't everything, everyone
this is very sad... but very good video
It would be funny if he actually WASN'T cheating and he just said he was to get attention and infamy.
Do we actually know that he cheated or is he just trying to get attention lol? Seems so bizarre
Yep, he tried to get attention. Yep, narcisist behavior
lol yeah imagine that he didnt actually cheat and just said that he did to get attention
What's the song at 2:01?
My friends it just keeps happening
this is why i not play games that competitives, i go to my world and just make stuff i want...
the “xD“ at the end made it so much better
Lide seems to find it funny he was able to trick us for so long. I regret ever giving him strat support.
The end is just sad
2:15 Bro living in Antarctica
What if they made a custom client for speedrunning minecraft?
I just find it a bit crazy that people are astute enough to notice the shaking of hunger bars to determine if a run is spliced or not. I would never casually notice that on my own.
It sucks to see people who work so hard to build a good reputation throw it all away
Space United Kingdom reference
0:02 A bit?
Is this a re upload?
And people wonder why I never put my trust in anything.
tarokitchen days T-T still subbed
So here's a lesson: More RNG = More incentive to cheat.
Not a good point, considering Trackmania barely has any rng. And it was still peppered with cheaters.
@@Valigarmanda I stand corrected. Forgot about that.
Saying he is Ukrainian is already plenty
damn spicy
minecraft speedrunners are just simply a different breed of people, wow
you mean autistic?
What's the music at 5:18
That end comment confirms, cheaters are the most sad people on the planet.
RIP
finally UR BACK
Bro heard the spaceuk situation and was like:
Im a proud pikaJ og (3.2k)
Понятненько✅
Minecraft speedrunners speedrun to get caught cheating any%
performance art
song at 6:30?
mad respect to the cheater busters
thats what happens when you watch speedruns of a sandbox lego bricks game
Is using peaceful mode in the rules somewhere? Otherwise it aint cheating
“Why’d you expose yourself”
“I want to be noticed. I want attention.”
That’s just… really sad. I don’t even dislike him for what he did, I just pity him. Don’t forget to pay attention to your kids, parents.
why cheating scandals are happening everywhere across gaming communities
Spaceuk
these cheaters are the reason why im not satisfied with speedruns.
this is really sad....
Once I did a speed run with a glitch in bedrock, the glitch was so op I beat the game in 3 seconds. They didn’t except the run tho. But it was a legit glitch that was in bedrock dunno if this is a topic that interests you. It sounds fake but I have a video on my channel
Oh hiiiiiiii James
As interesting as the forensics are, it does make me quite glad I never bothered with Minecraft speedrunning at all.
Such an immensely popular game is going to attract a lot of eyes, and the incentive to fake World Records is immense. Nobody cares if you pop a WR in some game time has forgotten (I remember watching a GDQ in which someone set a new WR for Duke Nukem II, and seeing the viewer count was barely above 300 at the time because of when it was airing).
But Minecraft is one of the most popular games of all time. People doing these things purely for attention does not even remotely surprise me.
i guess you could say Lide... Lied
I too want natural pp progression. I’ve been stuck at 2 for a while now.
At this rate we looking like the tour de france lmao!
I have no idea how people find these fakes
In comment sections i guess
@ lol yeah this one was pretty easy
If he is so hungry and desperate for attention that he would comment on a video saying that he cheated just so you could make a video feeding him that attention, why make the video? I mean, he got what he wanted right? He commented on your vid, inviting you to make a video on him so he can get attention. As if getting 200k views isn't enough attention, no no no he wants more. It's not even interesting and bothers me how someone could do this just for attention and doesn't even care if it's negative attention.
Based
@@copyandpaste2052Best part about this is that apparently he is also known for hacking on anarchy servers.
Anarchists never play by the rules which makes one wonder why no one considered the run to be fake sooner.
@@darth3911 doesn't anarchys servers point to using cheats?