Its a bit smaller than we expected... - Xiaomi 12s Ultra Camera Sensor Teardown!
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2022
- Xiaomi has a REALLY big camera... lens. But is the Camera itself as large as they say? They only way to find out for sure is to open it up and measure it for ourselves! Today we are taking apart the brand new flagship 12s Ultra from Xiaomi. We are going to measure the worlds largest smartphone sensor - and see how big it really is. Is Xiaomi's "true one inch sensor" really 1 inch? I have my doubts...
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I wouldn’t say that sensor is ‘smaller than expected’, I’d say it’s around average size, and probably has a great personality!
Well said✌
But you can't take a pic with a great personality..
Very well done my good sir. Take your like lol I got a good chuckle out of this
😌😌 you're right bro
i'd say its bigger than avg, like in certain places of the world
"they are being extremely generous with that ruler.. but I mean who hasn't" 💀🤣
Hahahah
If you know, you know👀
Idk, explain plz
@@ghausullah6433 talking about measuring your uh... 🌭
@@TechDove why would you need to mesurare a hot dog? why not just eat it? 🤨
4:27 I think the periscope camera is really exciting tech. With that much zoom, you need optical stabilization, and how they did it here with moving the prism is really cool!
And unlike samsung it has 60% larger pixel size
Fantastic disassembly. Especially interesting to see camera modules disassembled. Please keep doing it.
Small camera sensor naming conventions are fairly insane. Small sensors are named after the dimensions of a hypothetical glass tube that would surround the sensor, as if they were a 1950's Vidicon tube. Typical 1" sensor size is actually 13.1 x 9.8mm.
Bingo. 100% correct.
Came here to say this. "1 inch" sensors aren't 1inch.
Finally one that knows what the 1" mean in camera world lol.
What sensors in 1950s didn't cameras just use film?
Not sure why people are repeating with different words what Jerry said on the video, maybe watch it until the end next time?
This is the content I subscribed for, In-depth teardown showing the engineering behind these amazing devices!
i've read your comment and decided to do the same
oh hey
amazing lies.
Xiaomi means Not so amazing😄
thanks for showing us the real size of the sensor, and thanks especially for explaining how even though it's not really one inch, it's still "one inch" 😂
There is no debunking. Normally this is called a "1 inch type" sensor. This naming convention is very well known by professional video shooters. For the average consumer, yes, it is absolutely misleading.
one of the best videos outthere for Jerry, congrats
its weird to see that the big camera isn't the one in the center
Coz its the ultra wide in the middle...which sees wider than even the main one but once u c it ....u cant unsee it .....its kinda like that.
Yep. When you look at the back you think the camera in the center must be the largest one.
@@supreme4023 I have problems with my phone, It's ultrawide is in the lower corner of the camera bump, whenever I hold it with one hand, my finger covers it sometimes. Putting it in the center might help. Model Huawei Mate 40 Pro, also has similar-sized round camera bump, but it's three cameras and the Lidar is in four corners of the ring
@@yuxuanhuang3523 if the ultra wide is in the middle or lower ...it might pick up ur finger in the picture...its kinda good the way it is...depends on how wide it is...better in upper corners...thats why iPhone cameras are always in the corner ....it also helps in getting close to objects bcoz its in the corner ...so if u take a low ultra wide ground shot...u can get closer to the ground..or take good macro shots
@@supreme4023 That was my whole point. My phone camera 's ultrawide is positioned terribly, I have big hands and I like taking photos with my phone outside the window so I get a nice grip. half the photos I get a annoying finger in frame
The silicone back looks nice, would definitely prefer it over glass because glass is glass and glass breaks
Definitely agree with that!
Leather
@@OmarSS87 Fake leather
I wonder if it will peel off by itself in the long run.
It looks cheap! Using REAL leather would be ok. But a fake leather....give me a break.
Love these break down of phones the destruction is why l keep coming back to JerryRigEverything this is awesome, keep up the great work, big thumbs up to that.
Lots of lessons learned today Prof.Jerry
Now here's a thought. Switching inch measurements over to rectangle diagonal instead of tube diameter would just confuse everyone.
What if, hear me out, we switched to centimeters instead. Since no one measures in centimeters right now there'd be no confusion AND you could switch to a better way of measuring like diagonal, area or circumference
Also manufacturers could include both measurements, one in inches and one in centimeters. You aren't forced to get used to a different way of measuring but you do have the more 'accurate' measurement if you want to use it
you are a genius
I hope that by "no one measures in centimetres" you mean in the photography world and not generally cause well, the whole world uses cm's except the US :P
I'd say the easiest is just place a label at the end of the measurement i.e. 1" senor tube radius or 1" sensor diagonal or whatever. But lets be real, they are intentionally using that measurement for marketing, even if we think of a better way to avoid misleading, they for sure wont pick it up.
Diagonal is the worst system every invented to measure imaging devices. It's meaningless by itself, and even if accompanied by aspect ratio it makes comparing devices very hard. Area is much better, at least for screens. But area is also trickier for cameras since it's difficult to produce non-round lenses. So a lot of cameras have sensors that are actually larger than the image circle of their lens can cover, but of course this extra area is useless for capturing light. So the only true measure of what a camera system can capture is the image circle, which is a lens measure really, but is the only indicator of the maximum size of the lens that a given sensor can cover.
When it comes to cameras a 1 inch sensor is never truly a full inch in any direction of measurement, the one inch is referring to the size of vacuum tube the sensor would have fit into, back when vacuum tubes were used in cameras.
BS. He gave a legit and even logical reason for the incorrect measurement to the public. Vacuum tubes? Did you 35mm have them or was it only in large format?
@@douglasdever6134 they were basically a CRT , but instead of projecting the image onto the screen these tubes would capture the image. These were the original versions of a sensor and were originally created in the 1920's and were use in commercial TV cameras into the 1990's.
@@douglasdever6134 this isn’t BS lmao, MKBHD did a video on how 1 inch sensors aren’t actually 1 inch
Oh, you watched the video too?
@@douglasdever6134 Tell me you're naive about cameras without telling me you're naive about cameras.
Awesome analysis!! Grt video!!
Amazing video, as always!
The sensor size measurement is from old times. At that time only 2/3 from 1 inch was usable. So diagonally 1inch is 16mm. This counts for all camera sensor measurements
he literally said that
@ I wrote the comment before i watched till the end...
Mkbhd video? 🤌
@@pictainment and there is the problem
@@ACESENTAIL exactly... anyway some people beside me seemed to miss the information.^^
The size of matrices in smartphones is measured not by an ordinary inch, but in vidicon inch,and he = 2/3 of classic inch
Vidicon inch? Jaysus.... whyyyyyyy.
God, I was so confused how putting the sensor into a circle and measuring its diameter would get you anything other than just the diagonal of the sensor (which is not an inch as shown in the video, but 0.66), makes sense now
No they dont
Yes, a famous scammers that worked for Cesar the king.
Wow at last a soft tutorial I can follow! you sir are a genius
Respect man! For all the work you do! 💪🥃😎
oh my god, that is a teardown. Very impresive tech overall, is incredible how far we've come
What will it be if you'll post Nothing Phone (1) teardown 😂
Excellent video, as always.
Went into my recommendations and auto played because I tapped on the vid while scrolling. Was about to scroll but your voice is soothing and has perfect amount of bass which is so relaxing so I finished the vid
“Its a bit smaller than we expected”
And i took that personally
4:40, not actually zoom, it's how the autofocus works
Yep, with zoom you would need at least 2 moving elements. I wonder how the module inside the Xperia 1 IV actually work.
Best mobile phone video ever, thanks for your job!
I was waiting for this teardown
The truth is that 1 inch sensors in cameras are actually 0.52x0.35 inches in size. So they weren't lying.
Thank you
Yeah like 2MP = 1600 pixel × 1200 pixel
We can follow the video ourselves, thank you
@@LA-MJ lol
The only lie they said was it was the first phone to sport one of these bad boys, while the latest Sharp Aquos preceded them by months
The whole periscope setup makes me wonder if some day we'll get a physically separate module with a battery, earbuds and .... a nice camera with fewer compromises in terms of the lens setup.
Project Ara was a thing that had separate modules, but the company realized that will harm their sustainable income schemes (read: scams/ripoffs) and that it is more profitable to force you to buy a WHOLE new phone bi-annually so they scrapped the idea after it was FULLY. FINISHED. and ready to launch.
@@dimitar4y those were the days used to be hyped bout it
So just the old galaxy s view
Based on all these new tech products and my mechanical design experience, the more modular something is, the bulkier it becomes, at least compared to something of equivalent quality and functionality. Might as well get a cheaper phone and a budget camera.
@@dimitar4y That's part of it, but also a modular phone has a number of major downsides. A modular phone has to be way bulkier than other phones, water resistance is poor, and there is a limited market for them
Nice work!
excellent job brother.
you are professional.
Now that looks fairly easy to repair. Imagine you had to replace the entire frame in order to repair a cracked glass back.
it costs me pleasure to afford this device despite the scratches. Thank you for your videos I appreciate ☺️
Respect to your good work, thanks a lot
Waited for a long time to see this.
Hello Zach,
the term "1-inch-class" comes from the time of vacuum glasstube sensors of TV-cameras. A glasstube with an outer diameter of 1" could hold a sensor of exactly THIS size shown in your video. ALL electronic cameras with an "1-inch-sensor" (Panasonic TZ-101 and 202, Sony's RX-100's series etc.) have exactly the same size of sensors! *O.k., I watched while typing. The solution came later.* 😂
Have you watched the video?
Someone commented before finishing the video! Haha
Well Actually, watch the video.
@@justinsijbolts I watched while typing - the solution came later! 😂
Yeah, he explained that in a Video. Watch it
Thanks Zack also these cameras that are also phones are funny to me.
This is i have been waiting for
6:40 Thank you for bringing that knowledge when showing the camera sensor size!
Sweet engineering, detailed explanation by Jerry as always. 😍
Fun fact: His name's actually Zack, his channel is named after "jerry rigging" things.
Did you know that 1-inch sensors are actually way smaller than 1-inch? The diagonal of these sensors only measures 0.63″ and we can blame the old cathode-ray tubes (CRT) technology for this misleading marketing technique.
What this guy said!
MKBHD made a great video about it
yep that right
very well explained about the camera
excellent video - thanks!
It's impressive to see this in an actually good flagship smartphone. But I've had the same size sensor in my Panasonic CM1 since 2016, and in my DxO One since 2018.
"just like a little lego" never gets old
Together with "I'll see you around" these are iconic JRE phrases uttered in all his videos.
Great video. Keep it up.
Great video, you showed us the truth... Keep going on
5:17 This is probably the first periscope camera with OIS
Nope, the first was the Asus Zenfone Zoom. Now pretty much all phones with a periscope camera have OIS.
I would love to see you check out the internals of the periscope lens of the Sony Xperia 1 IV, looking at how they got it going smoothly from 85-125mm would be awesome!
Exactly....... nicely explained 👍👍👍
Brilliant video.
Hey Jerry, when will we get the next electric Hummer video? I can't wait any longer lol 😅
What would happen if you just plugged the sensor into the motherboard with it exposed like that? Would be cool to test it out and see if you can get it to focus on anything with your own lens.
Just blurry image, you can try this with mirrorless camera without lens.
Thats quite interesting question
Did it once. Fully white image. Kind of disappointed when I saw it.
@@juliovsilva too much exposure?
@@euro_rfx4499 Probably. Since the lenses limit the aperture to a few millimeters and "distort" the image into the correct shape, a full on daylight shot is probably too much for a naked sensor to handle. Even if it could handle that much brightness, probably we would still get a fully white shot, because, as I said, it needs "treated" data/image when it comes to angle, exposure, focus, otherwise it would only be able to see in a binary way: whether there is light or not in each one of its "pixels".
DISCLAIMER: I'm not a photographer, neither an image/photo technician or stuff like that. I'm a lawyer, which is a profession that is way far from understanding about photography and sensors, so, there's a risk that the comment above is full BS hahahaha
Ooh my Jerry 💕.... You are so kind to these mobile phone companies ....with your honest words
good job Jerry
"They are being extremely generous with that ruler.. but I mean, who hasn't?"
"Like the floppy disk icon, fax machines, or members of Congress."
Zack's on fire with the one-liners today. Well said. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Literally the best comment 😂🤣
1 inch sensor has nothing to do with one inch in size its confusing i know ! The name of a 1" digital sensor should more accurately be read as "one inch video camera tube equivalent" sensor. Current digital image sensor size descriptors are the video camera tube equivalency size, not the actual size of the sensor. For example, a 1" sensor has a diagonal measurement of 16 mm.
Correct 👍🏼👍🏼
Correct, only 2 hours ago I watched DP Review TV and they broke sensor size down😀
Yes, finally one person knows his camera stuff.
Zack just revealed how many viewers doesn't finish watching the video.
THANKS BRO GOOD JOB!
It's very interesting about size of camera, thanks!
Measuring the image sensor by the size of a theoretical circle that it can fit in *does* still make sense and will continue to make sense for as long as the lenses are circular. The "1 inch" size of the sensor defines the characteristics of the lens that you will need in order to be able to have a full-frame image without a vignette.
Except that vignette is only occuring if you have a sensor larger than the projected image circle and you arent performing any cropping. Most manufacturors are intentionally doing the opposite and ensuring they have the sharpest portions of the image circle filling the sensor.
"defines the characteristics" +1 for not stating the "size" of the lens as a lot of hipster wannabe photographers say.
Interesting to see the construction - thank you for sacrificing a phone. When it comes to the lenses the necessary aspherical surfaces are quite difficult to manufacture in glass and the material will hardly make any measurable difference - by all means, most prescription glasses nowadays are plastics rather than glass, giving lower weight, lower cost of manufacturing and the possibility to form very advanced progressive lens shapes.
When it comes to sensors, measuring the outer circle and the diagonal are essentially the same, since any diagonal will be the same length as the diameter of the outer circle.
Thank you for sharing your info...I was just collecting knowledge about this beauty's camera and build..
Interesting teardown, actually a lot higher quality than I envisaged.
Well at least you cleared up the sensor size thing at the end so I didn't have to correct you haha! Good job telling photographers to put their pitchforks away :)
I didn't know about the tube measurement until the MKBHD video but I think it's best to stick with it. Since it's widely used and while I know bigger is better, I don't know how big is how good.
Being able to compare this to other sensors using the same measurement is probably more important than me knowing the physical dimensions of the sensor.
I just got my 12s Ultra and the camera is pretty sick.
Not a huge amount better than the 11 Ultra but better than any other smartphone I've tried.
Actually dxomark rated the 12s ultra lower than the 11 ultra but one thing that I find much better is no more shutter lag. Maybe with software update it will surpass the 11 ultra.
mi 11 ultra beats 12s ultra with ease, its not even competition
@Ali Avdic I own both and in my experience, it doesn't. the 12 is quicker, battery lasts far longer, I think the camera is better in its default colour and gamma.
@@robwhitmore3040 I have both too and can confirm the 12s seems better. The 11 is a bit better in complete darkness but it's probably a software problem and I wouldn't go back. The only thing that I miss sonetime is the back screen for selfie.
@@TLK22 yeah, that back screen got a lot of complaints but I loved it. I wish they had kept it in the 12
No sensor is the physical size listed. The sensor measurement system goes back to the old days of television cameras, and this would be equivalent to a one inch cathode ray tube. There are charts for converting the size "type" of sensors to the actual physical size. It was originally done for marketing, and it still is 😂
Nice that u help all those with hearing impairment and transcribe what Jerry said so they can learn as well.
Maybe watch the whole video first...
4:22 that line from Xiangling (genshin impact) tho -
Good job 👍
*Whether it is false advertising or a bad measurement it is still for sure 1 inch of impressiveness*
Thats just what it is called. 1 inch sensors are almost never one inch. its from the olden days where the camera tube was one inch in diameter, but not the sensor
The real size of a 1-inch sensor.
Every image sensor marketed as 1-inch sensor measures 0.52″ (13.2mm) on the long side, 0.35″ (8.8mm) on the short side, and 0.63″ (15.9mm) diagonally.
If you watched this video till the end, Zack Explained it at the end
7:40
Reason I keep watching your vids. Genius humor.
I can listen to this Man all day ....
as much as i enjoy the soothing voiceover description of the amazing tech pieces i also feel equally bad seeing them stripped and abused :P
Pure evilness be like....
1" Sensor were already in Leitz Phone 1, Panasonic CM 1, Sony xperia pro i (used partial).
All Phones with Zeiss Lenses use Glass Lenses (Sony, Nokia, Vivo)
Lg v30 also
Also in the aqua phone or smth like that
@@justaguyfromreddit Sharp Aquos R6 and R7
@@justaguyfromreddit 🤓
@@emrulhasansimon4548 the LG V30 uses 1/3.1 meaning it's only 10% of the size of what this Xiaomi has
My dad recommended me to watch your videos before replacing my old phones if I intend to buy flagship phones, Jerry you're awesome 😂❤❤
Your dad is awesome!
I mean who hasn't ? LOL ! Your jokes do not go unnoticed and are very appreciated ! One of the best channels out there ! Thanks Zac !
A size comparison with other phone sensors would be nice!
with the Xperia Pro-I
Yes!!! I'd love to see how large it is compared to iPhone 13 Pro, the Pixel 6 and the Galaxy S22 Ultra
@@MathieuTechMoto I thought the experia also had a 1inch equivalent sensor. Just that they didn't use the whole area
@@msk.y Yeah that's a bummer !
@@YgorCortes the iPhone 13pro uses an 1/1.65 Sensor
So it's around 3times as large as the iPhone, maybe slightly below 3 times i'm not perfect in calculating the diagonals by my head.
The S22 Ultra uses around 60% of the Xiamois Sensor Size.
Honestly everything he took apart in this phone seemed very high quality and well assembled. I was surprised.
Lol every phone are made like this 😂
@@i_am_Amit_musicthink surprised because its a chinese brand!
For some reason I found watching that really therapeutic
Loving the fact that the wallpaper is a JWST image
i think the measuring should stay the same cause then its easy to backwards compare to older sensors instead of having to remeasure everything or do conversions
Yea that's why the us stays with mph inch feet gallons etc and the rest of the world doesn't... That's not a good idea. I'm very glad that we use the SI system in Europe with meter kmh Zentimeter etc
Having had many smartphone cameras (including the 108MP Samsung many raved about being the best smartphone camera) I have to say this Xiaomi is the best smartphone camera I've had.
For qualification I've been in to photography for over a decade and have a couple of high end cameras and was never a fan of the image processing style most smartphones go for (over hdr, vibrant colours) so your mileage may vary, but I'm loving the 12S Ultra.
Thanks for the teardown, from being a small child I always loved taking things apart, but as I was always better at that than putting them back together, it's good to see someone else ruin their phone for me = )
@RehtubNomis I'll take your comment as my insight. Then after a year, do you have another smartphone camera suggestion?
@@ihlasakasali1024 I'm waiting for the 14 Ultra, saw a leak about the camera modules and supposition based on the 14 pro and sounds like it'll be a worthwhile switch.
(that, and hoping for an international rom, as the china only 12s Ultra rom means AndroidAuto doesn't work, which, I don't own a car, but when I rent, it's damned annoying - about the only thing that doesn't though).
im fans of yours long time ago!!!
Nice love this
Fun Fact about 1inch Sensor's
It's a name from very early days before digital Sensors even where a thing. The first Cameras with sensors worked similar to a tube TV and the "1 Inch" refers to the diameter of the tube, in other words the sensor has to be smaller than 1 inch
Edit:
He explains it later in the video, commented earlier
My preferred sensor measurement is width x height in mm. So 13.2mm x 8.8mm.
Informative video tysn
The 1 inch nomenclature goes back to early television cameras. You will not find a 1 inch measurement on it. A one inch sensor measures 9 by 12mm.
Awe yeah! Bigger is always better 😮💨
Great video, very fun and informative!
DPReviewTV did a video recently about sensor sizes. Other channels and sites have pointed this out in the past. It's my opinion sensors should be advertised by area. So a "I inch" sensor would be known by it's area in mm (approx. 10 X 13mm ,being generous again) so it's area would be 130mm. Advertisers and camera companies could call it a 130 sensor. Seems reasobaly sensible and a lot more accurate!
I'm looking at buying one of these because of the good camera sensor. So it's good to see the tear down.
Just got mine but definitely i know already it's not what they described on the phone there's always something to hide us... Thanks amazing video
"Its an antique relic from the olden days" ..... like inch, gallons, foot, pound and so on xD Americans should finally use SI Units
I'm surprised that the ultrawide wasn't mentioned at all, even though it's in the center of the phone... But I definitely think that the old way of measuring sensors is dumb and confusing for the average consumer.
nice video!
😀😀😀When I just started following the channel my interest was driven by the odd feeling of sympathy to the pieces of electronics that were brutality destroyed for no apparent reasons. But now I came for the unique humor that makes me laugh out loud and crave for more videos.
Keep up the great work 👍
Hey Jerry. I know the Mi 11 ultra is now a year old, but by any chance could u do a tear Down for it. I feel like that was the best of Xiaomi yet. This 12s ultra is like a stepdown from it's predecessor.
Every 2022 phone is being worse than it's predecessor because they're trying to keep last year's prices while also upgrading some components when all the components got more expensive to buy/manufacture.
I think so
12s ultra is a complete crap when compared to 11U. Even detailed camera reviewers use 11U as benchmarks when comparing flagship mobile cameras. Things are just going downhill.
@@ray4493 completely not true I have Mi 11 Ultra and upgraded to Xiaomi 12S Ultra, the phone is lighter, the leather like back is easier to grip and no fingerprints on the back, build quality is better, the camera is better and shutter speed is the fastest thing ever, you can just take out the phone enter camera and shoot and it's good, no effort needed, the proximity sensor is fixed, the snapdragon 8 + gen 1 is better in EVERYTHING compared to 888, it is opening up apps so fast and everything is much smoother while not consuming more battery and the phone does heat at all, the screen is ltpo which also saves battery, the phone has a few shortcomings compared to mi 11 ultra, the only major one is no rear display, which is a shame i'll agree on that, other than that, having 4860 battery compared to 5000 is not bad since the phone consumes less battery to begin with, and lasts to me personally a day and a half, you can still charge it for like 10-15 minutes and be good for another day, without even needing to charge overnight! (I was using the charger all day and night with mi 11 ultra), now I only need 10 maybe 20, at max 30 minutes charging and the phone is good for everything I throw at it, which is a huge advantage, the earpiece is louder too,
sorry for long rant, but what you just said is simply looking and specs and saying "they barely did anything, the downgraded stuff" no, the only downgrade is no rear display sure, everything else is better/same which is totally worth the asking price, the phone is great
This whole one inch sensor thing for 12s ultra was already in the 11 ultra coupled with it's unique design. Plus damn that camera bump for the 11U was fine AF. The ability to take selfies with that camera was was mwaaahh. It's like that phone was too ahead of it's time for Xiaomi. It feels like this was supposed to come first then the other one.
The whole thing about 1 inch being with how big of a circle the sensor can fit in is all well and good UNLESS YOU SHOW A PICTURE OF A 1x1 INCH SENSOR THAT ISN'T IN THE PHONE... It's literally not even the same shape.
Well yeah, most image sensors are 3:4 I guess. But in my opinion it still should be measured either side by side or diagonal from corner to corner. Measuring by the lens or module doesn't make sense to me. In the end, the sensors don't capture the whole circle of light that travels through the lens but it captures a rectangle from it.
if we would change the convention we might as well drop the silly units and use cm or mm
honestly area measurement would be the best
The problem isn't even that. You can fit 2 "one inch" sensors in a 1 inch tube stacked on top of each other.
Still it is not 1 inch
1" sensor is different from specific 1x1 sensor. You are comparing apple to pear as one is sensor for most standard format 3:4 and the other sensor is specifically 1:1 format.
they are both 1" but for different picture format and if you use 1x1 sensor for 3:4 format photos you only use part of that sensor that is equal to standard 1" sensor
Nothing but respect for this
Cool to see such a large sensor in a phone and the actual sensor in the video! I wonder if the lens totally covers it. The recent Sony camera phone with the same sized sensor managed only a portion with the optics they used. 8:22 Yeah, I do think camera sensors should be measured differently. I'd say crop factor is fine (where the commonly known36x24mm "full-frame" sensor is 1x) though it doesn't account for aspect ratio. Or simply stating dimensions like 36x24mm but it's not the easiest thing to vocalize, especially when the dimensions aren't whole numbers which is often the case.
This is not that sensor in Xperia I-Pro (1" and not all the sensor size was used.) This is totally new sensor from Sony and debuts in this phone. It has yet to come to Sony's next flagship phone and they will then make full use of it. This is first time we see this sensor ☺
@@a-xoone My point was that they are approximately the same size. They are both called "one inch" sensors which is what Zack went over in the video.