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Im 27 my dude, and I've just learned about dysgraphia! I've had all sorts of learning plans, and occupational therapy and no one could place it through the public school system and it is so liberating to know I'm not inherently broken
25 years ago I was going to be held back at school because no teacher could read my handwriting so could not mark my work. My art teacher suggested caligraphy lessons which I then undertook for 2 years. This made the difference for me as I was retaught from scratch how to form and shape each letter by hand and it was the best thing I could have ever done to change my situation, I hope it will work for others like myself.
I did the same and was able to achieve legible handwriting so long as I do not write too quickly, but I still suffer from what I believe to be other symptoms of my dysgraphia such as a severely reduced ability to express myself in written form (when compared to my verbal acuity), a pronounced tendency to make spelling mistakes or use punctuation incorrectly, difficulty in understanding when to end sentences or paragraphs, (as this comment illustrates) and an emotional aversion to communicating in the written word.
I also believe I am not able to interoperate visual stimuli as quickly as others, it takes me a just bit longer to understand what is going on in an image or in a video. Idk if this is also a symptom of dysgraphia or my multiple concussions.
@@Shoutinthewind you just described my 15 yrs old son. Luckily, we live in NYC and kids in public schools get a lot of support services, but many just want to move kids on to tech.... typing... and forget handwriting.
Feeling a little sad but also relived to find this disorder exists. I struggled in school my whole life. I could have been a completely different person as an adult if I had know this about myself then.
Thank you for this video! My son has been struggling with this for years and I finally can understand what it going on! When I showed him this video he cried because he said, "Finally, someone understands what I'm saying!" He has told his teachers over and over that he can't help writing "sloppy" or he doesn't know how to get started on an essay. This is a great starting point for us to get him some help! I am so thankful!
I hope your school has access to a good OT,it was a godsend for my oldest son.I unfortunately had to suffer thru what your son is dealing with all thru untill college,and I swore I'd never let it happen to my kid.So good luck to you and and small bit of knowledge,my son is 22 now can bench press me and I still have to help him with lids and caps occasionally.Let your boy know he's not alone and it's ok if he needs help with opening stuff,most dysgraphics have high IQs [that doctors have bad writing stereotype came from somewhere] and that beats being able to open jars everyday.
Yeah, I have dysgraphia and I can attest that it’s the starting on an essay that is the fucking worst. I am also almost incapable of creative writing because of this as well. All the other aspects are a lot easier to work on than this. You should talk to a speech pathologist. It really helped me and got me through year 12 English the is year and brought my language skills up to acceptable standards when I was younger
After years of being out of school (had to drop out because of ridicule because of my writing inability), I finally figured out that I wasn't stupid. I have dysgraphia. My teachers use to always make fun of me and say things like "You need to go back to 6th grade and re-take spelling." and crap like that. I'm half-way tempted to go back and show them this video.
I have dysgraphia, I found that writing in cursive helps a lot with spacing, it doesn't fix a lot of issues like page planning but it makes things more intelligible, typing is still the best solution out there.
This must be the challenge one of my current students has. She is only the second one I have worked with during my 10 years teaching college physics and chemistry. I noticed the students verbally answering correctly the questions I ask during lecture but then not answering correctly similar questions on written tests. The difference between their spoken and written answers is staggering. I gave these two students oral exams instead of written ones. It is hard sometimes though to adapt the material ... today I had my current student build the molecules using a model kit instead of trying to draw them ... this worked and we will do more of it. I am happy to say the previous student made it through 4 semesters of physics with me and my current student just passed her Organic Chemistry final exam today (this is her third semester of chemistry with me, she has one more to go). I will be checking your website for more ideas on how to make my science classes equitable.
Despite the covid-spring jolt to online, my student passed with high marks her fourth and final semester of chemistry, O-Chem II, lecture and lab. YAY!! :-). It is seeing a student be so successful that makes teaching worthwhile.
I cant explain how amazing that makes you, you didnt even need a diagnosis to start making accommodations, my teachers wouldn’t help even after getting a diagnosis
@@hithere7080 Gosh, I am sorry to hear this. If your learning needs are not being accommodated, you should press the issue all the way up the chain of command at your school, dean, VP, even college president if needed, and if still not being met, consider making a public comment at a school board meeting,. There is so much talk about inclusive practices and environments in teaching, and yet when it comes to people who need a little something different, like an oral exam instead of a written one, sometimes that inclusion talk is just talk. 😞 I hope and pray you will be able to find faculty who will recognize and value your unique perspective and all the contributions you can make to the class. e.g. the O-Chem student I mentioned is enormously gifted and talented with languages and with giving presentations. She speaks 11 languages, and would talk with all her classmates in their own first language. And when groups had to give presentations, she rocked it! and her help was sought after by her classmates, and she generously helped them. I pray you will find this acceptance and appreciation. Hang in there, stay strong, persevere. 🙂 Best wishes!
I have this but it was diagnosed as visual/spatial defects. My teachers when I was a kid never understood me every time I complained of having a hand cramp from writing. Well, what they don't realize is that it is more than a cramp, it was painful. And I got lower scores on my essays until my junior year of high school when my English teacher understood what I was going through and wrote exactly what I needed to write. I've since improved with the language processing aspect and I owe it to her. I still struggle with fine motor in writing and other areas too along with visual and spatial as well.
Omg YES. I got a 1350 on my sat because I omitted around 20 questions because I couldn't finish time because I have dysgraphia. I KNOW I can do better, I'm so mad
I hate this, it makes school miserable for me.. I get sick of writing two page papers and only getting back an F with a note saying, "Not legible." It isn't fair. At least I'm a junior and almost done with HS.
I have an 11 year old . He hates writing. To my surprise not all teachers are educated to recognize the signs. He just entered middle school and they are already attributing his lack of writing interest to him “ choosing “ not to do the work. I am just finding out about this dysgraphia term and I feel angry that I didn’t had the information to advocate for my son. But better now than never ! I’m sorry for those who have been punished for this learning disability - it should be treated as such! They better watch out bc mama bear is coming to the rescue !
My son is very dysgraphic. I understand your frustration. You should consider typing your papers for school. One thing I have my son do is separate the writing process from the creative process. He will record what he wants to say one day then listen to it and type it on another day. He tends to dummy down his writing if these processes are not separated. Good luck. I know it is difficult.
A student with dysgraphia might be helped by learning the old Palmer method of handwriting. You don't move the hand at all to write, you move your entire arm. This used to be the standard way to teach handwriting in older generations that used dip ink pens. It avoids using the fine motor muscles in the hand that are contributing to the dysgraphia problem.
I have dysgrapgia and I can't keep up with my class due to all the notes in grade 8 but I have found that using script writing really helps with writing and learning a language is almost impossible. But to those who have this disability keep on fighting and you will eventually make it to the end with great success
I also have a son with dysgraphia. He's a fifth grader now and still struggling writing which lead him to sore hands. Every school year I always see to it that all his teachers know his case so they'll give consideration to him.
I have dysgraphia and my one S.S teacher whenever I tried to turn in writing pieces the she couldn’t read she would ask me to read them. I couldn’t read them and so she had me sit in the front of the class not next to my friends but in front of her desk and told me when I needed to spell a word that I couldn’t spell to ask and she would help. Or I was allowed In her class to search the word on google. I was allowed extra time so I could write in cursive and then my teacher could read my writing. She was a strictish teacher and really helped my grade so teachers could read my writing and I could read it.
Please don`t give up.I battled through high school,in those day they didn't even consider that someone could be dyslexic let alone have dysgraphia. Today,there is more awareness,please go and see a school councillor .Seek help now. There are methods and systems in place now.I understand and feel your pain .Be brave ,be courageous , stand up for yourself and you and your future will be brighter.You definitely can do it.Martin New Zealand.
Found out about dysgraphia recently, I never understood why it takes so long for me to write. I realise now why I never finish any exam or in-class essay on time while everyone else does. Glad I am not alone in this.
I work in the tech field, I was once told that every time I write that it was a slap in the face to the education system. I've had it all my life and just recently diagnosed with it...I just always thought I was being lazy, but the fatigue is dead on. However I can read my own handwriting I just call it "code".
I have dysgraphia. Some of the things that I'll do when writing include: -Mixing up similar letters, like b, d, q, p, c, a, and g. Like I'll try to write the letter g and I'll inadvertently add the stem of a d to it. Or sometimes I'll just write a b instead of a d. -Gripping the pencil way too hard and pushing down too hard on the paper. I prefer to use pens because they usually have the rubber grip and they don't have as much friction and glide easier on the paper when you try to write. They also don't break unlike pencil leads. -Within the lines, my sentences will often sway between the bottom and the top, like a ~. -Spacing between words is also pretty bad and varies a lot. Other times, I'll think I have enough space to write a word at the end of a line, but irl there's no way it would fit and I always end up going downwards in order to fit the word. -My handwriting is pretty bad and most people aren't actually able to read it unless they're me or are a teacher. Pretty much nobody else can read it. -Literally never have ideas on what to write and it takes me ages to get going, although that might be more of an ADHD thing. Finally went to get tested for learning disabilities a few years ago and I got diagnosed with ADHD-C and Dysgraphia. Teachers normally give me typed notes now instead of making me write them down like the rest of the class. It helps a bunch. They'll also let me use a computer to type instead of writing something in a test and things like that.
I am dysgraphic and he described me perfectly except I write all of my letters backwards. That is the biggest symptoms of dysgraphia that was not mentioned. Cursive help but I find I get more tired that way. This was a great video
It is very nice that LD.org does reply, it is as if you really do understand just how much thought process it takes before the actual step is taken, especially in older people that are use to hiding from the exposure.
I'm disgraphic, and I wonder why it's not that known to many people. My dysgraphia makes alomst everything difficult when it comes to writing. It takes me forever to write a little story, and it takes me a little longer to write a tiny note. In almost everything I write, theres typos. I knew for sure I was going to fail the writing test I took in the 7th grade, now I have to go to the 8th grade with writing assistance.
I hope you are doing well. I am in my 60's. Forget about typos. THat is what editors are for. I did not write essays until I turned 30. I have only recently felt comfortable about writing. The paragraph above says that you can and should write.
So I'm old and I had this,I wasn't offered OT I was told to "apply"myself or focus and try harder.Having a high IQ didn't help,I was just called lazy.Then my oldest was diagnosed with it and I asked if I could take the test,sure enough I was officaly diagnosed about 25 years too late.Happy ending however my son had a great lady for OT,who fought for him even when he was in high school,because of her he was allowed a scribe for the essay portions of tests,including his SAT and AP exams.That would have been nice,instead I got points off for neatness or lack thereof.Thank God he's the only one out of my kids who inherited it.I still occasionally have to open lids for himeven tho he can bench press me now,it really does a number on your grip ability .
I was diagnosed with dysgraphia when I was 5 and it feels comfortable when I grip pencils , also if you feel like you need something better on your pencil grip I recommend surgu so you can make a custom grip with how you prefer it , also I normally switch to cursive during writing in a times new roman like font
i have dysgraphia and since 5th grade i have been able to use a computer or iPad to wright. it has been super helpful but since i now live in south Carolina i often have trouble with teachers that dont think learning disabilities are a thing not letting me use a computer and it kinda sucks especially when the school district simply does not care. i am sooo happy to be going to college soon.
I think I have this, I still want to rewrite and rewrite papers over again to get them perfect but no matter what I always mess up with capital letters mixed and very bad spatial awareness compact and spaced words.It sucks to rewrite too when your hand cramps. computers are a god send! Do most schools know about this today?
As someone that was diagnosed at age 10 (17 now), the first thing that jumped out at me from this vid was that I can’t hold a pencil the “right” way. Damn thing falls out of my hand when I try. Also I have no idea where to start where writing and have had teachers ask me what I wrote because they can’t read it.
I had to watch this three times, I honestly couldn't stop reading the subtitles which are kinda hilarious. The actual video content is super helpful, I had no idea about dysgraphia until recently.
I have always had horrible handwriting, and my educational therapist determined that I have a weak pincer reflex (pinching with your thumb and index finger). I have always written with my pencil between my middle and ring finger, and my hands always hurt after a while, so now I know why! I have also realized that I have both a short thumb and a short index finger, so that may affect it as well. She gave me a special pencil grip that has places to specifically put your thumb and index finger, and I’m working on the proper pencil, grip, which helps. But with the shape of my hand I don’t know if I will ever have easy nice writing!
I have been diagnosed with ADHD for a long time, and I remember as a kid, I got tested for dyslexia and dysgraphia because I insisted that I had dysgraphia. The results came back negative, but I'm still absolutely sure I have it. I had terrible handwriting and remember having a hard time getting my thoughts onto paper. I also could never learn cursive. Also, my teachers would always get mad at me for holding my pencil wrong.
I just learnt this exists, while searching if there is any connection between bad handwriting and ADHD. I struggled with handwriting a lot even though I’ve always been advanced with reading. I am good at talking about topics and any sort of presentation or discussion has been easy and fluid for me, but trying to write on a topic was always extremely difficult, I’d always end up doing a lot worse on essays and written tests than in-class stuff. My teachers always called me lazy for being advanced in everything besides handwriting, blaming me for not wanting to do better in this one area. Basically I’m really happy to find out this existed. I no longer feel crazy for struggling oddly in this one area.
i had difficulties with writing on paper through all my life, i repeated words, i oversimplify letters to the point they all look the same, etc. i had teachers who shamed me or gave me worse grades, regardless of the contents of my work. i refused to write notes during classes, i had to concentrate too hard on writing and couldn't pay attention, i was very slow with it too. i remember crying in frustration when i was forced to copy texts, ripping paper etc. my hands hurt when i write longer texts. i had trouble with cursive - i still do, i only write in printed letters, even my signature. i just doodled during classes and hoped teachers would mistake it for note taking, it helped to concentrate on the material, but was reprimanded for that too. what changed my relationship with writing was university. i couldn't rely on books or memory alone, and it took me 3 years (and a failed major) to experiment with note taking. i type very fast, so i type notes on my phone or laptop often, sometimes i still get shamed for it because people mistake it for texting and find it disrespectful. i use all lowercase, other than accidental uppercases in handwriting too (unless it has to be presentable). i also only use felt tip pens or really thick pens (they come scented and in multiple colors!!!) and unlined notebooks. i took up calligraphy for a while, so i have a writing style that's slower and more presentable, and my "natural" one. with adjustments, now i write during every lecture. i have nice notes and people say they look pretty, even! jumbo markers look a bit goofy in a university setting but now writing notes even helps me concentrate! i wish people stopped forcing pens and lined paper on everyone. i don't really write in lines anymore, it's more like a doodle-y, freehanded compilation of lists or some sentences. does anyone else have trouble writing in all uppercase by hand as well? it's slow and very painful, and it's kinda the only part where i am unable to mask my deficits. they all turn out to be different sizes, styles, and get gradually smaller and smaller.
So, from reading some books I have noticed some similarities with me and the main characters. They have ADHD and dyslexia. I don't seem to have dyslexia but ADHD maybe. None of this has been proven. Tonight mum and I were talking and i love random facts. I told her Albert Einstein was dyslexic which she said is that why he was so god at maths? I said I think I have the opposite of dyslexia and mum said you mean dyscalculia? I say whhhhhhhhaaaaaaat?! She said it's almost exactly like dyslexia but for maths. You know that dyslexia is language but dyscalculia is numbers.This would make sense as I am good at math but I am VERY slow and have to use my fingers or calculator to keep track of what I am doing. Then she said and you know something else? People with dyscalculia also often have dysgraphia as well which is uneat handwriting. I have very messy handwriting. My younger sibling in year FOUR has neater writing than me(mind you he has OCD and anxiety and has been diagnosed) but still!
I can’t write creatively, I can’t draw any type of perspective, and my handwriting has not changed since the first grade....would you say I have dysgraphia???
Computer word processing changed everything for me. But too often you aren't allowed to use one. College entrance essays, for example. Thank god I was able to carry my laptop with me in grad school! I suppose some might do better at cursive, and that is how I was taught in grade school, but I discovered that I could be much neater if I printed. It just takes longer. My daily writing is something of a hybrid, but my notes are all over the place. I start thinking I'm going to be organized but that flies out the door quickly. I wish I knew what was wrong with me! Hindsight is now 20/20.
Tho i have my fair share of struggles i am so glad for my amazing friends, the one who sits besides me took her time to change her position and way of writing just so i can copy her notes. I will forever be grateful
Made a great friend recently who has been diagnosed with dysgraphia since he was a kid (we're in college). He's incredibly smart and I love talking to him, but he often complains how hard he had it with art class and writing things down. I'm happy he lives in an age where digital technologies (along with all the counseling and special classes) allow him to thrive in a writing-heavy course even though he has dysgraphia. It also seems he has some sort of dyscalculia? I'm not sure, but he apparently has been trying to figure out the 24-hour clock his entire life and still hasn't managed to do it (we live in Brazil where this is the default clock), so we always have to either "translate" into AM-PM to him or give him a minute to count in his fingers. I've been worrying about college not giving proper accommodations to him later on (he is a freshman, I'm three years older) so I'm researching a bit on the condition so I can help guide him. Thanks for the informative vid.
Seeing this checked so many boxes for me. The weird thing was that I could do really fine work, but continuous movement like drawing round closed circles or straight lines was really difficult. I didn’t realise how bad I was till I saw my preschool daughter draw rows of perfectly round O’s, something I’ve never been able to do.
I’ve always struggled with slow, unclean, painful, and wasteful writing my whole life. I’m pretty sure I have this (especially since I have ADHD and I’ve heard that often comes with disabilities such as this), so hopefully I can do something about that soon.
Thank you for posting, I have had issues writing and teaching with this problem. I didn’t know that writing in cursive could help, so you taught me something new today that will hopefully help me quite a lot.
Some how, I only ever wrote one decent paper in my life! It was for 7th grade semester finals in English and so we were reading things from the 18th to I think early 20th century. Regardless, the periods we covered would have covered this word! However, my English teacher's methods were, let's put it like this, "strange" ... When reviewing papers if there was a word she did not recognize, especially on an exam, instead of using dictionaries and thesauruses for clarification (after all, it was 2001), she would instead mark the whole paper wrong and say, "Redo this or I will give you a failing grade!" Actually, now that I think about it, I may have been the only one she took issue with! I am not saying, it is in no way due to the disability, as there was at least one other that used a PC. Her issue, was that in the essay I used, "A word that doesn't truly exist and if I did NOT change it then I would be FAILED!" I was turning in the essay at almost the end of the end of the period and somehow she didn't notice not only had I snuck my bag in ... (my desk was around the corner, I just stood making it look like I printed everything properly, all my edits were OK, etcetera) ... to handle a contingency I considered, knowing her, as it was Spring finals! I had a feeling she might find someway to have issues with my work, some how this was an unfortunate constant with us! So, while I made it look like I was hunched over my PC, I was actually sorting out a sneaky second copy I I printed snuck into my bag and kicked my bag under the desks enough (it was a dirty old thing that had seen better years and so I didn't care) to reach my desk, that she didn't notice! A few days later, she comes back and tells me to redo it due to my "nonsense word"! The word was "unbeknownst" (plenty of jokes there)! So, you can start to see why my gears were turning and I had a second copy! I was flabbergasted that a 7th grade English teacher, regardless the period(s) we were covering in our literature, had zero idea that it was a word! Of course, it may not be as common as "cheese", but as an English teacher, especially one of period English works, "knowest, knoweth, beknownst and beknown", should have caught her eye at some point! Especially, the latter two of the list which are what the topic here mostly covers; the first of those two words, moreso! After all, "beknownst" and "beknown" have the easiest way to make antonyms for them. That is simply by adding the perfect "un", as in, "unbeknown" and "unbeknownst". (The same also goes for the most modern form(s) of this word, unknown and known). My teacher would not even let me put it into word or the archaic Google or yore, to dispute it! So, I told her like the good girl I was, with a heavy sigh, "Fine Ms. Turner, I will." Without letting on how truly annoyed I was and just making it seemed bummed that all my hard work went down the drain! Lunch was after and I was like, "This is finally the first thing beyond two lines I have written typed that I am actually proud of and it's over 2,500 characters! I am not settling!" I walked past the cafeteria, headed straight to the principal's office and she actually LAUGHED! Of course,the principal was her senior, and so she had ZERO CHOICE but to listen to her as she typed it into the two different word processors, the search engine, looked it up in her dictionary and thesaurus, and then told her off for not only not using them, but also claiming a student's incorrect due to your incompetence! They had me in the next room, I hadn't eaten yet, at that point I didn't care, and they brought me what they could! I think it was milk, a PB&J and an apple! All I could do was eat whatever I got, hand over mouth until they called me back in (My next class was gym or woodsho, so I was "OK!" Even though I would have preferred not to have missed woodshop, it was just to rich though!) and have her apologize! Dysgraphia wins!
When I was 7 circa 1974 I was told I had ADHD and given Ritalin so my inability to write was attributed to lack of attention and laziness. Circa 1980 I was told I had Graphic Dyslexia. I only heard it called Dysgraphia a few years ago. In the 70s and 80's it was an issue but post-2000 the only time it comes up is when the Doctor's office gives me forms to fill out. I would have my wife or my daughter do it . The other time is when I get the check at a restaurant or need to write a bank check. My wife does those things for me.
I work with preschoolers and I wonder if they would also have a hard time with all fine motor activities like cutting? I've seen these symptoms but in a child that can cut way beyond his peers....
I know you commented 7 years ago but today I discovered dysgraphia is a thing, and I have almost all the symptoms. But I want to say you may have a point, when I was a child I was horrible at cutting things I tried so hard but I always messed up even if there was a line, so maybe it is related :(
I have a student in my home school school with dysgraphia. I have found that he used to write left handed, but his public school teacher told him to write with his right only. Could this be a problem for him too as he was probably supposed to be a lefty? Also, what are some ideas on how to help him spell?
I am now convinced I had this whe I was in school. However I had help from some wonderfull special educatuin teachers who worked with me through my 7th grade year to make the problems less noticable. And they did.
I know I had dysgraphia from childhood but unfortunately we didn’t even have psychologist at that time in Lesotho where I grew up. Everyone one of the teachers used to think I did it intentionally since I was very brilliant. My daughter also have the this condition. Can it have anything with being left-handed, since both of us are left- handed?
While I am left handed, there has been no correlation between the hand that you write with. After all, you have to think about places like Asia (East Asia Asia mainly), where they start end of the page and go in with their writing. Who do you think would supposedly smudge worse?! Also, the area of the brain that this effects as this is a (creative) language, expressive disorder is the left side where all creative functions occur and fine motor and physical are more right brain, like all other non-creative and more structural tasks. Left half of brain controls the right side of the body and the right side of the brain the left of the body.
I always wondered why I was so tired after my assignments, I have just been diagnosed with this a month ago, having it my entire life... thankfully school is making accomodations for me with technology and special pens. I have dysgraphia and a dyscalculia disorder. University is hell for me.
How does dysgraphia get noticed, get tested or even diagnosed? I have LD with numbers, one of my children has dyslexia, and the other has always had issues with writing throughout academic career although was not determined to have either condition yet qualified for occupational, speech and other therapy early on and then LD/ IEP/CSE thereafter.
Those with NVLD may have dysgraphia because of the motor difficulties. When I handwrite with a writing utensil my hand easily gets fatigued. I also leave out out words when I'm writing and I never know where to start.
So I'm dysgraphic (looking for explanation vids because I'm tired of explaining to others) when he talks about hang ups putting things into words I couldnt explain to docs why I couldn't write things but it was my very psych eval that diagnosed me that actually made me later realise why I cant put things into words I've my whole life called it writer's block but what's happening is that I think in two ways verbal thoughts an non verbal non pictorial intuitive thoughts and when I cant write it's because I'm having an intuitive nonverbal thought that I cannot convert into words I'd also like to add the cursive thing is hit or miss because I cannot read and the best way I can describe it is to look at a language you cant read like Arabic or sanskrit that's how cursive looks to me even if I wrote it lol
Just a heads up... You might want to check the subtitles. I was trying to watch this while a bit of back ground noise so read the subtitles and there were loads of discrepancies.
UA-cam subtitles aren't the most accurate in the best of cases. I think there are some background noises in the video anyways, so that'll mess up the subtitles.
Can dysgraphia be for example, writing that starts off neat but by the bottom of the page writing becomes less clear. Also when you talk about writing fatigue is that complaining the pen hurts? Can this just be symptoms of dyslexia? Is there a clear difference?
I'm a violinist and a violin builder/repairer. I have also done board level computer repair and pocket watches. My hand writing is atrocious and barely readable. Every letter comes out different and the lines are all crooked. I also can't draw but I can carve wood sculptures. I was treated poorly in school and diagnosed with autism as an adult.
Can dysgraphia affect other tasks that require motor skills, like for instance the ability to play a musical instrument or draw artworks from imagination?
It certainly can. Generally, it doesn't make artwork any more difficult, in fact many dysgraphic people are very artistic. However, it can make playing an instrument more difficult, especially if it's caused by a motor problem. That's not to say it's impossible though. In fact, it probably will result in some writing improvement.
It was queries by OT that I may have dysgraphia but I was never formally diagnosed. My instrument playing and art skills are definitely affected. That said, I achieved a high standard in violin and had a post grade 8 diploma before even finishing school and performed in orchestras with people who are now becoming professionals of note. I always tired more easily, I could never train my fingers to move as fast as other people and I could never play perfectly with the exact timbre and polish I was aiming for but I was very good in other areas which meant my playing could reach a high level and overall sound decent enough. The OT was amazed, saying given my fine motor deficits, this should not be physically possible but it was. My brother who is diagnosed with dysgraphia has much messier handwriting than me but is good at cartooning whereas I'm not. So yes it affects these areas but doesn't dictate all the skills in these areas so you can be severely affected in some ways and brilliant or average or mild in other ways so can overall appear average, above average or even brilliant.
I never smoked, because I was clumsy holding a cigarette, and looked like an idiot. plus, I never liked the damn things. I am being a bit goofy, though, this is VERY true! I am, however, quite athletic; and can dance, so my gross motor skills are just fine... My handwriting has always been horrible; and I abhor, signing my name while someone is looking on.
I'm AuDHD, often struggled with backwards letters but was never told why. I egerly picked up cursive as soon as I was taught as it solved some problems, but writing always physically hurt. I still bump into problems with people insisting I write physical notes during training while in work settings, it's exhaustuve
I remember being a young lad in 2nd or 3rd grade and being yelled at by my teachers for not writing "correctly". It has improved now but I used to have a huge problem with my sentences getting shorter because I would drift over to the right, as well as being made fun of for my handwriting being sloppy, which still hasn't improved.
Can some one be both dyslexic and dysgraphic? I am dyslixic but have a lot of these problems. would this be just more dyslixic stuff or would it be dysgraphiea?
Yes, I knew a woman with dyscalculia AND dyslexia and I was like I have dysgraphia, Aspergers, ADD, SLIGHT OCD and my ODD has dumbed itself down to which part of the brain is going to work this second!?! 8 HOURS LATER!?! ... IMAGINE THE ODD COUPLE SHE AND I WOULD HAVE MADE!?! 🤣
We have plenty of articles on this topic that can answer your questions. Check it out, and thank you for your comment: ncld.org/types-learning-disabilities/dysgraphia
I was diagnosed at 5 years old and I still get told to learn how to write or made fun of for my writing skills. I am almost 20 now and I have not been able to concour my self esteem when I have to write something
I've had dysgraphia my entire life I would be at school and my teachers would always get mad one day they made me take a test and said I had dysgraphia
RagDollRat Sometimes teachers don’t know how to address the situation to the parents and such, because they know what the results of doing so may be. Parents will often times whenever a teacher tells their teacher they suspect their child may have a learning disability will become resistant and will lash out at the teacher and blame them, and say they’re not doing enough. The parents are in denial, and don’t want their child to grow up being ostracized by their peers. Nowadays, most students aren’t even held back anymore, even if they should be. The teacher will just push them through every grade even if they know they need to be held back. But studies and research does show that holding kids back actually does more harm than good for the child. I was held back and still eventually needed an IEP. But then got my retention reversed. But it was because the sped teacher I had at the time wasn’t doing his job and making me do 5th grade work as a 4th grader, shoulda been in 5th anyway because of my age. It was nice being moved back into my age-appropriate grade level. If that hadn’t happened, I would have graduated high school in 2009 and not 2008.
Idn i might have this because i was diagnosed with adhd and dyslexia so i might have this too but they didnt test me for this but everithing that he said sounds like me and allsow in my country we allways write cursive so that helps a bit but it still does look prety bad but i can write realy good but it takes like 1 minute for two sentances
I have dysgraphia and grew up in the 70snwhen cursive Was the only writing style. Was even diagnosed when I was10 but they knew nothing of it. Cursive was a curse, it’s possible to space out the words really wide even in cursive also I had the inverted circles aspect of it so it was really hard getting out of vowels and I kept going around and making thick letters and then my hand would hurt
I have dysgraphia and can read fine, it doesn’t affect that I don’t think. It’s just writing like the video explains. The video is spot on for what I have and I was also diagnosed with it
@@Frog_Is_My_Name think I may have lived with this all my life.. does it make tasks useing your hand harder too. Everything I do looks like I rushed it.?
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Just spent the last 18 year being told “ just write neat” “ try harder to write” then finding out this disorder exists.... wow
Yeah, when I was diognosed in year 9 I was embarrassed but I quickly found it really liberating
Same I had three people training me to write as I’if I did not know
Exactly the same for me
Im 27 my dude, and I've just learned about dysgraphia! I've had all sorts of learning plans, and occupational therapy and no one could place it through the public school system and it is so liberating to know I'm not inherently broken
Same…
25 years ago I was going to be held back at school because no teacher could read my handwriting so could not mark my work. My art teacher suggested caligraphy lessons
which I then undertook for 2 years. This made the difference for me as I was retaught from scratch how to form and shape each letter by hand and it was the best thing I could have ever done to change my situation, I hope it will work for others like myself.
This is amazing! Did you also have problems with spelling words? Or was it just your handwriting not being legible?
I did the same and was able to achieve legible handwriting so long as I do not write too quickly, but I still suffer from what I believe to be other symptoms of my dysgraphia such as a severely reduced ability to express myself in written form (when compared to my verbal acuity), a pronounced tendency to make spelling mistakes or use punctuation incorrectly, difficulty in understanding when to end sentences or paragraphs, (as this comment illustrates) and an emotional aversion to communicating in the written word.
I also believe I am not able to interoperate visual stimuli as quickly as others, it takes me a just bit longer to understand what is going on in an image or in a video. Idk if this is also a symptom of dysgraphia or my multiple concussions.
@@Shoutinthewind you just described my 15 yrs old son. Luckily, we live in NYC and kids in public schools get a lot of support services, but many just want to move kids on to tech.... typing... and forget handwriting.
Feeling a little sad but also relived to find this disorder exists. I struggled in school my whole life. I could have been a completely different person as an adult if I had know this about myself then.
Thank you for this video! My son has been struggling with this for years and I finally can understand what it going on! When I showed him this video he cried because he said, "Finally, someone understands what I'm saying!" He has told his teachers over and over that he can't help writing "sloppy" or he doesn't know how to get started on an essay. This is a great starting point for us to get him some help! I am so thankful!
I hope your school has access to a good OT,it was a godsend for my oldest son.I unfortunately had to suffer thru what your son is dealing with all thru untill college,and I swore I'd never let it happen to my kid.So good luck to you and and small bit of knowledge,my son is 22 now can bench press me and I still have to help him with lids and caps occasionally.Let your boy know he's not alone and it's ok if he needs help with opening stuff,most dysgraphics have high IQs [that doctors have bad writing stereotype came from somewhere] and that beats being able to open jars everyday.
Yeah, I have dysgraphia and I can attest that it’s the starting on an essay that is the fucking worst. I am also almost incapable of creative writing because of this as well.
All the other aspects are a lot easier to work on than this.
You should talk to a speech pathologist. It really helped me and got me through year 12 English the is year and brought my language skills up to acceptable standards when I was younger
After years of being out of school (had to drop out because of ridicule because of my writing inability), I finally figured out that I wasn't stupid. I have dysgraphia. My teachers use to always make fun of me and say things like "You need to go back to 6th grade and re-take spelling." and crap like that. I'm half-way tempted to go back and show them this video.
I have dysgraphia, I found that writing in cursive helps a lot with spacing, it doesn't fix a lot of issues like page planning but it makes things more intelligible, typing is still the best solution out there.
This must be the challenge one of my current students has. She is only the second one I have worked with during my 10 years teaching college physics and chemistry. I noticed the students verbally answering correctly the questions I ask during lecture but then not answering correctly similar questions on written tests. The difference between their spoken and written answers is staggering. I gave these two students oral exams instead of written ones. It is hard sometimes though to adapt the material ... today I had my current student build the molecules using a model kit instead of trying to draw them ... this worked and we will do more of it. I am happy to say the previous student made it through 4 semesters of physics with me and my current student just passed her Organic Chemistry final exam today (this is her third semester of chemistry with me, she has one more to go). I will be checking your website for more ideas on how to make my science classes equitable.
You are a great teacher for doing that. Thank you.
Despite the covid-spring jolt to online, my student passed with high marks her fourth and final semester of chemistry, O-Chem II, lecture and lab. YAY!! :-). It is seeing a student be so successful that makes teaching worthwhile.
I cant explain how amazing that makes you, you didnt even need a diagnosis to start making accommodations, my teachers wouldn’t help even after getting a diagnosis
@@hithere7080 Gosh, I am sorry to hear this. If your learning needs are not being accommodated, you should press the issue all the way up the chain of command at your school, dean, VP, even college president if needed, and if still not being met, consider making a public comment at a school board meeting,. There is so much talk about inclusive practices and environments in teaching, and yet when it comes to people who need a little something different, like an oral exam instead of a written one, sometimes that inclusion talk is just talk. 😞 I hope and pray you will be able to find faculty who will recognize and value your unique perspective and all the contributions you can make to the class. e.g. the O-Chem student I mentioned is enormously gifted and talented with languages and with giving presentations. She speaks 11 languages, and would talk with all her classmates in their own first language. And when groups had to give presentations, she rocked it! and her help was sought after by her classmates, and she generously helped them. I pray you will find this acceptance and appreciation. Hang in there, stay strong, persevere. 🙂 Best wishes!
I have this but it was diagnosed as visual/spatial defects. My teachers when I was a kid never understood me every time I complained of having a hand cramp from writing. Well, what they don't realize is that it is more than a cramp, it was painful. And I got lower scores on my essays until my junior year of high school when my English teacher understood what I was going through and wrote exactly what I needed to write. I've since improved with the language processing aspect and I owe it to her. I still struggle with fine motor in writing and other areas too along with visual and spatial as well.
College board needs to watch this. Needs to be easier to get accommodations
Omg YES. I got a 1350 on my sat because I omitted around 20 questions because I couldn't finish time because I have dysgraphia. I KNOW I can do better, I'm so mad
PLEASE SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK
I hate this, it makes school miserable for me.. I get sick of writing two page papers and only getting back an F with a note saying, "Not legible." It isn't fair. At least I'm a junior and almost done with HS.
In the 80s I use to get hit by teachers because of it
Actually its disability they have to accommodate you . By allowing typed work etc .I have it .also double spacing .
@@leiwolf27 that’s terrible. I’m glad things are different now.
I have an 11 year old . He hates writing. To my surprise not all teachers are educated to recognize the signs. He just entered middle school and they are already attributing his lack of writing interest to him “ choosing “ not to do the work. I am just finding out about this dysgraphia term and I feel angry that I didn’t had the information to advocate for my son. But better now than never !
I’m sorry for those who have been punished for this learning disability - it should be treated as such! They better watch out bc mama bear is coming to the rescue !
So sad 😪 u should have has an iep and been able to type and use auto text.
I was diagnosed with dysgraphia when I was young child and I still have it and these skills still help me throw my educational career
You will always have dysgraphia. No learning disability ever goes away. You just learn to live with it.
My son is very dysgraphic. I understand your frustration. You should consider typing your papers for school. One thing I have my son do is separate the writing process from the creative process. He will record what he wants to say one day then listen to it and type it on another day. He tends to dummy down his writing if these processes are not separated. Good luck. I know it is difficult.
A student with dysgraphia might be helped by learning the old Palmer method of handwriting. You don't move the hand at all to write, you move your entire arm. This used to be the standard way to teach handwriting in older generations that used dip ink pens. It avoids using the fine motor muscles in the hand that are contributing to the dysgraphia problem.
Oooo this is how I get my best handwriting. It makes it harder to sit in a conventional desk
i just recently learned about this disorder and i strongly identify with it. i'm going to get tested soon.
And, was it positive?
yes sir he was tested positive for hiv
@@karterarkileez6603 😂
I have dysgrapgia and I can't keep up with my class due to all the notes in grade 8 but I have found that using script writing really helps with writing and learning a language is almost impossible. But to those who have this disability keep on fighting and you will eventually make it to the end with great success
South African outriders learn cursive then write in it. It has helped me so much
I also have a son with dysgraphia. He's a fifth grader now and still struggling writing which lead him to sore hands. Every school year I always see to it that all his teachers know his case so they'll give consideration to him.
How do we help them? My son is struggling so bad !!!
I have dysgraphia and my one S.S teacher whenever I tried to turn in writing pieces the she couldn’t read she would ask me to read them. I couldn’t read them and so she had me sit in the front of the class not next to my friends but in front of her desk and told me when I needed to spell a word that I couldn’t spell to ask and she would help. Or I was allowed In her class to search the word on google. I was allowed extra time so I could write in cursive and then my teacher could read my writing. She was a strictish teacher and really helped my grade so teachers could read my writing and I could read it.
Please don`t give up.I battled through high school,in those day they didn't even consider that someone could be dyslexic let alone have dysgraphia. Today,there is more awareness,please go and see a school councillor .Seek help now. There are methods and systems in place now.I understand and feel your pain .Be brave ,be courageous , stand up for yourself and you and your future will be brighter.You definitely can do it.Martin New Zealand.
Found out about dysgraphia recently, I never understood why it takes so long for me to write. I realise now why I never finish any exam or in-class essay on time while everyone else does. Glad I am not alone in this.
I work in the tech field, I was once told that every time I write that it was a slap in the face to the education system. I've had it all my life and just recently diagnosed with it...I just always thought I was being lazy, but the fatigue is dead on. However I can read my own handwriting I just call it "code".
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@@TheMechanicalGirl999 The "code " thing is spot on for me thanks u made my day really made me lmao
I've been living with this disability for all my life. I was always a better talker than writer because of this.
I have dysgraphia. Some of the things that I'll do when writing include:
-Mixing up similar letters, like b, d, q, p, c, a, and g. Like I'll try to write the letter g and I'll inadvertently add the stem of a d to it. Or sometimes I'll just write a b instead of a d.
-Gripping the pencil way too hard and pushing down too hard on the paper. I prefer to use pens because they usually have the rubber grip and they don't have as much friction and glide easier on the paper when you try to write. They also don't break unlike pencil leads.
-Within the lines, my sentences will often sway between the bottom and the top, like a ~.
-Spacing between words is also pretty bad and varies a lot. Other times, I'll think I have enough space to write a word at the end of a line, but irl there's no way it would fit and I always end up going downwards in order to fit the word.
-My handwriting is pretty bad and most people aren't actually able to read it unless they're me or are a teacher. Pretty much nobody else can read it.
-Literally never have ideas on what to write and it takes me ages to get going, although that might be more of an ADHD thing.
Finally went to get tested for learning disabilities a few years ago and I got diagnosed with ADHD-C and Dysgraphia. Teachers normally give me typed notes now instead of making me write them down like the rest of the class. It helps a bunch. They'll also let me use a computer to type instead of writing something in a test and things like that.
Thank you! I have a 3rd grader who is struggling with writing. This might be what he has. He has all the key signs.
WHAT DID U DO
I have this and I’m 52. It never goes away!
I am dysgraphic and he described me perfectly except I write all of my letters backwards. That is the biggest symptoms of dysgraphia that was not mentioned. Cursive help but I find I get more tired that way. This was a great video
yeh i mean my cursive is more legible but it tires me out quick man
It is very nice that LD.org does reply, it is as if you really do understand just how much thought process it takes before the actual step is taken, especially in older people that are use to hiding from the exposure.
I'm disgraphic, and I wonder why it's not that known to many people. My dysgraphia makes alomst everything difficult when it comes to writing. It takes me forever to write a little story, and it takes me a little longer to write a tiny note. In almost everything I write, theres typos. I knew for sure I was going to fail the writing test I took in the 7th grade, now I have to go to the 8th grade with writing assistance.
I hope you are doing well. I am in my 60's. Forget about typos. THat is what editors are for. I did not write essays until I turned 30. I have only recently felt comfortable about writing. The paragraph above says that you can and should write.
So I'm old and I had this,I wasn't offered OT I was told to "apply"myself or focus and try harder.Having a high IQ didn't help,I was just called lazy.Then my oldest was diagnosed with it and I asked if I could take the test,sure enough I was officaly diagnosed about 25 years too late.Happy ending however my son had a great lady for OT,who fought for him even when he was in high school,because of her he was allowed a scribe for the essay portions of tests,including his SAT and AP exams.That would have been nice,instead I got points off for neatness or lack thereof.Thank God he's the only one out of my kids who inherited it.I still occasionally have to open lids for himeven tho he can bench press me now,it really does a number on your grip ability .
I was diagnosed with dysgraphia when I was 5 and it feels comfortable when I grip pencils , also if you feel like you need something better on your pencil grip I recommend surgu so you can make a custom grip with how you prefer it , also I normally switch to cursive during writing in a times new roman like font
i have dysgraphia and since 5th grade i have been able to use a computer or iPad to wright. it has been super helpful but since i now live in south Carolina i often have trouble with teachers that dont think learning disabilities are a thing not letting me use a computer and it kinda sucks especially when the school district simply does not care. i am sooo happy to be going to college soon.
as a person with Dysgraphia just glad I am not the only one who has this problem
As a person with dysgraphia I wish I never had this I wish I was normal just like everyone else 😔
I think I have this, I still want to rewrite and rewrite papers over again to get them perfect but no matter what I always mess up with capital letters mixed and very bad spatial awareness compact and spaced words.It sucks to rewrite too when your hand cramps. computers are a god send! Do most schools know about this today?
Such an amazing lecture... thank you... Studying learning disability and dysgraphia as a topic was tough... this made it easy
So glad to see this. I suffered from is all my life. Word processors saved my life
I fit all the hallmarks. Nice to know. Wish I knew this back in school.
As someone that was diagnosed at age 10 (17 now), the first thing that jumped out at me from this vid was that I can’t hold a pencil the “right” way. Damn thing falls out of my hand when I try.
Also I have no idea where to start where writing and have had teachers ask me what I wrote because they can’t read it.
I had to watch this three times, I honestly couldn't stop reading the subtitles which are kinda hilarious. The actual video content is super helpful, I had no idea about dysgraphia until recently.
I have always had horrible handwriting, and my educational therapist determined that I have a weak pincer reflex (pinching with your thumb and index finger). I have always written with my pencil between my middle and ring finger, and my hands always hurt after a while, so now I know why! I have also realized that I have both a short thumb and a short index finger, so that may affect it as well. She gave me a special pencil grip that has places to specifically put your thumb and index finger, and I’m working on the proper pencil, grip, which helps. But with the shape of my hand I don’t know if I will ever have easy nice writing!
I have been diagnosed with ADHD for a long time, and I remember as a kid, I got tested for dyslexia and dysgraphia because I insisted that I had dysgraphia. The results came back negative, but I'm still absolutely sure I have it. I had terrible handwriting and remember having a hard time getting my thoughts onto paper. I also could never learn cursive. Also, my teachers would always get mad at me for holding my pencil wrong.
You could very well have it. My son saw 4 therapist before proper diagnosis
I am LIVING for the auto-subtitle interpretations of Dysgraphia. This graph yes I wanted. Virtual Scrappy 30.
I started doing bullet journaling and it helped.to train on my handwriting,grip and spacing out the text better
I just learnt this exists, while searching if there is any connection between bad handwriting and ADHD. I struggled with handwriting a lot even though I’ve always been advanced with reading. I am good at talking about topics and any sort of presentation or discussion has been easy and fluid for me, but trying to write on a topic was always extremely difficult, I’d always end up doing a lot worse on essays and written tests than in-class stuff. My teachers always called me lazy for being advanced in everything besides handwriting, blaming me for not wanting to do better in this one area.
Basically I’m really happy to find out this existed. I no longer feel crazy for struggling oddly in this one area.
This sounds like my childhood. I had alot of this symptoms when I was in school, back in the 80's and 90's.
yes you can have both, other common issues are cross dominance, and over reliance on sight for complex tasks (such as writing, and trying knots)
i had difficulties with writing on paper through all my life, i repeated words, i oversimplify letters to the point they all look the same, etc. i had teachers who shamed me or gave me worse grades, regardless of the contents of my work. i refused to write notes during classes, i had to concentrate too hard on writing and couldn't pay attention, i was very slow with it too. i remember crying in frustration when i was forced to copy texts, ripping paper etc. my hands hurt when i write longer texts. i had trouble with cursive - i still do, i only write in printed letters, even my signature. i just doodled during classes and hoped teachers would mistake it for note taking, it helped to concentrate on the material, but was reprimanded for that too.
what changed my relationship with writing was university. i couldn't rely on books or memory alone, and it took me 3 years (and a failed major) to experiment with note taking.
i type very fast, so i type notes on my phone or laptop often, sometimes i still get shamed for it because people mistake it for texting and find it disrespectful. i use all lowercase, other than accidental uppercases in handwriting too (unless it has to be presentable). i also only use felt tip pens or really thick pens (they come scented and in multiple colors!!!) and unlined notebooks. i took up calligraphy for a while, so i have a writing style that's slower and more presentable, and my "natural" one. with adjustments, now i write during every lecture. i have nice notes and people say they look pretty, even! jumbo markers look a bit goofy in a university setting but now writing notes even helps me concentrate! i wish people stopped forcing pens and lined paper on everyone. i don't really write in lines anymore, it's more like a doodle-y, freehanded compilation of lists or some sentences.
does anyone else have trouble writing in all uppercase by hand as well? it's slow and very painful, and it's kinda the only part where i am unable to mask my deficits. they all turn out to be different sizes, styles, and get gradually smaller and smaller.
would of been nice to know this 5 years ago
Same
So, from reading some books I have noticed some similarities with me and the main characters. They have ADHD and dyslexia. I don't seem to have dyslexia but ADHD maybe. None of this has been proven. Tonight mum and I were talking and i love random facts. I told her Albert Einstein was dyslexic which she said is that why he was so god at maths? I said I think I have the opposite of dyslexia and mum said you mean dyscalculia? I say whhhhhhhhaaaaaaat?! She said it's almost exactly like dyslexia but for maths. You know that dyslexia is language but dyscalculia is numbers.This would make sense as I am good at math but I am VERY slow and have to use my fingers or calculator to keep track of what I am doing. Then she said and you know something else? People with dyscalculia also often have dysgraphia as well which is uneat handwriting. I have very messy handwriting. My younger sibling in year FOUR has neater writing than me(mind you he has OCD and anxiety and has been diagnosed) but still!
There is no proof that Einstein was dyslexic.
I have Dysgraphia, Dyspraxia and ADHD wow thats why i am so bad at things as a child
I can’t write creatively, I can’t draw any type of perspective, and my handwriting has not changed since the first grade....would you say I have dysgraphia???
You can visit the dysgraphia page on our site for more information: ncld.org/types-learning-disabilities/dysgraphia Thank you.
I'm fighting with it for more than 16 years but didn't know that something like this exists. Always blamed myself for this.
Computer word processing changed everything for me. But too often you aren't allowed to use one. College entrance essays, for example. Thank god I was able to carry my laptop with me in grad school!
I suppose some might do better at cursive, and that is how I was taught in grade school, but I discovered that I could be much neater if I printed. It just takes longer. My daily writing is something of a hybrid, but my notes are all over the place. I start thinking I'm going to be organized but that flies out the door quickly.
I wish I knew what was wrong with me! Hindsight is now 20/20.
Tho i have my fair share of struggles i am so glad for my amazing friends, the one who sits besides me took her time to change her position and way of writing just so i can copy her notes. I will forever be grateful
Ive always struggled with this. Shouldve looked it up earlier.
Same
Made a great friend recently who has been diagnosed with dysgraphia since he was a kid (we're in college). He's incredibly smart and I love talking to him, but he often complains how hard he had it with art class and writing things down. I'm happy he lives in an age where digital technologies (along with all the counseling and special classes) allow him to thrive in a writing-heavy course even though he has dysgraphia.
It also seems he has some sort of dyscalculia? I'm not sure, but he apparently has been trying to figure out the 24-hour clock his entire life and still hasn't managed to do it (we live in Brazil where this is the default clock), so we always have to either "translate" into AM-PM to him or give him a minute to count in his fingers.
I've been worrying about college not giving proper accommodations to him later on (he is a freshman, I'm three years older) so I'm researching a bit on the condition so I can help guide him.
Thanks for the informative vid.
Seeing this checked so many boxes for me. The weird thing was that I could do really fine work, but continuous movement like drawing round closed circles or straight lines was really difficult. I didn’t realise how bad I was till I saw my preschool daughter draw rows of perfectly round O’s, something I’ve never been able to do.
I’ve always struggled with slow, unclean, painful, and wasteful writing my whole life. I’m pretty sure I have this (especially since I have ADHD and I’ve heard that often comes with disabilities such as this), so hopefully I can do something about that soon.
Thank you for posting, I have had issues writing and teaching with this problem. I didn’t know that writing in cursive could help, so you taught me something new today that will hopefully help me quite a lot.
Some how, I only ever wrote one decent paper in my life! It was for 7th grade semester finals in English and so we were reading things from the 18th to I think early 20th century. Regardless, the periods we covered would have covered this word! However, my English teacher's methods were, let's put it like this, "strange" ... When reviewing papers if there was a word she did not recognize, especially on an exam, instead of using dictionaries and thesauruses for clarification (after all, it was 2001), she would instead mark the whole paper wrong and say, "Redo this or I will give you a failing grade!" Actually, now that I think about it, I may have been the only one she took issue with! I am not saying, it is in no way due to the disability, as there was at least one other that used a PC.
Her issue, was that in the essay I used, "A word that doesn't truly exist and if I did NOT change it then I would be FAILED!" I was turning in the essay at almost the end of the end of the period and somehow she didn't notice not only had I snuck my bag in ... (my desk was around the corner, I just stood making it look like I printed everything properly, all my edits were OK, etcetera) ... to handle a contingency I considered, knowing her, as it was Spring finals! I had a feeling she might find someway to have issues with my work, some how this was an unfortunate constant with us! So, while I made it look like I was hunched over my PC, I was actually sorting out a sneaky second copy I I printed snuck into my bag and kicked my bag under the desks enough (it was a dirty old thing that had seen better years and so I didn't care) to reach my desk, that she didn't notice!
A few days later, she comes back and tells me to redo it due to my "nonsense word"! The word was "unbeknownst" (plenty of jokes there)! So, you can start to see why my gears were turning and I had a second copy! I was flabbergasted that a 7th grade English teacher, regardless the period(s) we were covering in our literature, had zero idea that it was a word! Of course, it may not be as common as "cheese", but as an English teacher, especially one of period English works, "knowest, knoweth, beknownst and beknown", should have caught her eye at some point! Especially, the latter two of the list which are what the topic here mostly covers; the first of those two words, moreso! After all, "beknownst" and "beknown" have the easiest way to make antonyms for them. That is simply by adding the perfect "un", as in, "unbeknown" and "unbeknownst". (The same also goes for the most modern form(s) of this word, unknown and known).
My teacher would not even let me put it into word or the archaic Google or yore, to dispute it! So, I told her like the good girl I was, with a heavy sigh, "Fine Ms. Turner, I will." Without letting on how truly annoyed I was and just making it seemed bummed that all my hard work went down the drain! Lunch was after and I was like, "This is finally the first thing beyond two lines I have written typed that I am actually proud of and it's over 2,500 characters! I am not settling!" I walked past the cafeteria, headed straight to the principal's office and she actually LAUGHED! Of course,the principal was her senior, and so she had ZERO CHOICE but to listen to her as she typed it into the two different word processors, the search engine, looked it up in her dictionary and thesaurus, and then told her off for not only not using them, but also claiming a student's incorrect due to your incompetence! They had me in the next room, I hadn't eaten yet, at that point I didn't care, and they brought me what they could! I think it was milk, a PB&J and an apple! All I could do was eat whatever I got, hand over mouth until they called me back in (My next class was gym or woodsho, so I was "OK!" Even though I would have preferred not to have missed woodshop, it was just to rich though!) and have her apologize! Dysgraphia wins!
When I was 7 circa 1974 I was told I had ADHD and given Ritalin so my inability to write was attributed to lack of attention and laziness. Circa 1980 I was told I had Graphic Dyslexia. I only heard it called Dysgraphia a few years ago. In the 70s and 80's it was an issue but post-2000 the only time it comes up is when the Doctor's office gives me forms to fill out. I would have my wife or my daughter do it . The other time is when I get the check at a restaurant or need to write a bank check. My wife does those things for me.
I work with preschoolers and I wonder if they would also have a hard time with all fine motor activities like cutting? I've seen these symptoms but in a child that can cut way beyond his peers....
I know you commented 7 years ago but today I discovered dysgraphia is a thing, and I have almost all the symptoms. But I want to say you may have a point, when I was a child I was horrible at cutting things I tried so hard but I always messed up even if there was a line, so maybe it is related :(
I have a student in my home school school with dysgraphia. I have found that he used to write left handed, but his public school teacher told him to write with his right only. Could this be a problem for him too as he was probably supposed to be a lefty? Also, what are some ideas on how to help him spell?
FunkDisLiz77 I write left and I think there's more of a risk for leftys.
I was never tested for either but I know I transpose letters and numbers and have all my life.
I am now convinced I had this whe I was in school. However I had help from some wonderfull special educatuin teachers who worked with me through my 7th grade year to make the problems less noticable. And they did.
I know I had dysgraphia from childhood but unfortunately we didn’t even have psychologist at that time in Lesotho where I grew up. Everyone one of the teachers used to think I did it intentionally since I was very brilliant. My daughter also have the this condition. Can it have anything with being left-handed, since both of us are left- handed?
While I am left handed, there has been no correlation between the hand that you write with. After all, you have to think about places like Asia (East Asia Asia mainly), where they start end of the page and go in with their writing. Who do you think would supposedly smudge worse?! Also, the area of the brain that this effects as this is a (creative) language, expressive disorder is the left side where all creative functions occur and fine motor and physical are more right brain, like all other non-creative and more structural tasks. Left half of brain controls the right side of the body and the right side of the brain the left of the body.
Lefty's are a rarity but it has nothing to do with this, unfortunate!
I always wondered why I was so tired after my assignments, I have just been diagnosed with this a month ago, having it my entire life... thankfully school is making accomodations for me with technology and special pens. I have dysgraphia and a dyscalculia disorder. University is hell for me.
How does dysgraphia get noticed, get tested or even diagnosed? I have LD with numbers, one of my children has dyslexia, and the other has always had issues with writing throughout academic career although was not determined to have either condition yet qualified for occupational, speech and other therapy early on and then LD/ IEP/CSE thereafter.
Those with NVLD may have dysgraphia because of the motor difficulties. When I handwrite with a writing utensil my hand easily gets fatigued. I also leave out out words when I'm writing and I never know where to start.
So I'm dysgraphic (looking for explanation vids because I'm tired of explaining to others) when he talks about hang ups putting things into words I couldnt explain to docs why I couldn't write things but it was my very psych eval that diagnosed me that actually made me later realise why I cant put things into words I've my whole life called it writer's block but what's happening is that I think in two ways verbal thoughts an non verbal non pictorial intuitive thoughts and when I cant write it's because I'm having an intuitive nonverbal thought that I cannot convert into words I'd also like to add the cursive thing is hit or miss because I cannot read and the best way I can describe it is to look at a language you cant read like Arabic or sanskrit that's how cursive looks to me even if I wrote it lol
UGH! FINALLY! SOMEONE WHO PUT MY BRAIN INTO WORDS!
Just a heads up... You might want to check the subtitles. I was trying to watch this while a bit of back ground noise so read the subtitles and there were loads of discrepancies.
UA-cam subtitles aren't the most accurate in the best of cases. I think there are some background noises in the video anyways, so that'll mess up the subtitles.
PenPen I always see the "swear words".
I was diagnosed with this in 3rd grade and am just now learning about it
Do you have more information on how Dysgraphia is recognized in adults and what accommodations may help them?
Can dysgraphia be for example, writing that starts off neat but by the bottom of the page writing becomes less clear. Also when you talk about writing fatigue is that complaining the pen hurts? Can this just be symptoms of dyslexia? Is there a clear difference?
Do writing prompts help at all?
I'm a violinist and a violin builder/repairer. I have also done board level computer repair and pocket watches. My hand writing is atrocious and barely readable. Every letter comes out different and the lines are all crooked. I also can't draw but I can carve wood sculptures. I was treated poorly in school and diagnosed with autism as an adult.
I have dysgraphia and i agree with all the things you say
Can dysgraphia affect other tasks that require motor skills, like for instance the ability to play a musical instrument or draw artworks from imagination?
It certainly can. Generally, it doesn't make artwork any more difficult, in fact many dysgraphic people are very artistic. However, it can make playing an instrument more difficult, especially if it's caused by a motor problem. That's not to say it's impossible though. In fact, it probably will result in some writing improvement.
It was queries by OT that I may have dysgraphia but I was never formally diagnosed.
My instrument playing and art skills are definitely affected. That said, I achieved a high standard in violin and had a post grade 8 diploma before even finishing school and performed in orchestras with people who are now becoming professionals of note. I always tired more easily, I could never train my fingers to move as fast as other people and I could never play perfectly with the exact timbre and polish I was aiming for but I was very good in other areas which meant my playing could reach a high level and overall sound decent enough. The OT was amazed, saying given my fine motor deficits, this should not be physically possible but it was.
My brother who is diagnosed with dysgraphia has much messier handwriting than me but is good at cartooning whereas I'm not.
So yes it affects these areas but doesn't dictate all the skills in these areas so you can be severely affected in some ways and brilliant or average or mild in other ways so can overall appear average, above average or even brilliant.
I never smoked, because I was clumsy holding a cigarette, and looked like an idiot. plus, I never liked the damn things. I am being a bit goofy, though, this is VERY true! I am, however, quite athletic; and can dance, so my gross motor skills are just fine... My handwriting has always been horrible; and I abhor, signing my name while someone is looking on.
Was confirmed that I have this today. Explains a lot.
I'm AuDHD, often struggled with backwards letters but was never told why. I egerly picked up cursive as soon as I was taught as it solved some problems, but writing always physically hurt. I still bump into problems with people insisting I write physical notes during training while in work settings, it's exhaustuve
Great video that helps me to know about DYSGRAPHIA
I remember being a young lad in 2nd or 3rd grade and being yelled at by my teachers for not writing "correctly". It has improved now but I used to have a huge problem with my sentences getting shorter because I would drift over to the right, as well as being made fun of for my handwriting being sloppy, which still hasn't improved.
I have dysgraphia any more things that you can tell me about
I have dysgraphia I get bullied from it a lot
+The band trash panda same here
same
Same and if I try to tell anyone why I can't write or tie my shoes in there eyes thinking am making it up because they never heard about it
Wow you got bullied by the Nerds!!! Ain’t life a bitch?....
always have been
i have it too.....just hate several occasions where i had to fill up personal data in papers esp. filling forms
Very good information on the subject.
what about raddial nerve compromise
Can some one be both dyslexic and dysgraphic? I am dyslixic but have a lot of these problems. would this be just more dyslixic stuff or would it be dysgraphiea?
Yes, I knew a woman with dyscalculia AND dyslexia and I was like I have dysgraphia, Aspergers, ADD, SLIGHT OCD and my ODD has dumbed itself down to which part of the brain is going to work this second!?! 8 HOURS LATER!?! ... IMAGINE THE ODD COUPLE SHE AND I WOULD HAVE MADE!?! 🤣
where can I find a dysgraphia specialist for my 4 year old - NJ
Great information. Thank you. ✏️
hey i have dysgraphia and this video helped and hop you help more people like me by thanks!
Great tips and advice. Thank you!
We have plenty of articles on this topic that can answer your questions. Check it out, and thank you for your comment: ncld.org/types-learning-disabilities/dysgraphia
I was diagnosed at 5 years old and I still get told to learn how to write or made fun of for my writing skills. I am almost 20 now and I have not been able to concour my self esteem when I have to write something
I've had dysgraphia my entire life I would be at school and my teachers would always get mad one day they made me take a test and said I had dysgraphia
same my teachers kept getting mad at me so now I use a laptop
irish vlogger me too
My teacher forced me to use a trainer grip on pencils and adjust my grip to the "right grip" until I would cry
PHD Flopper I know how you feel having this dysgraphia sucks
RagDollRat Sometimes teachers don’t know how to address the situation to the parents and such, because they know what the results of doing so may be. Parents will often times whenever a teacher tells their teacher they suspect their child may have a learning disability will become resistant and will lash out at the teacher and blame them, and say they’re not doing enough. The parents are in denial, and don’t want their child to grow up being ostracized by their peers. Nowadays, most students aren’t even held back anymore, even if they should be. The teacher will just push them through every grade even if they know they need to be held back. But studies and research does show that holding kids back actually does more harm than good for the child. I was held back and still eventually needed an IEP. But then got my retention reversed. But it was because the sped teacher I had at the time wasn’t doing his job and making me do 5th grade work as a 4th grader, shoulda been in 5th anyway because of my age. It was nice being moved back into my age-appropriate grade level. If that hadn’t happened, I would have graduated high school in 2009 and not 2008.
The anatomical correlate appears to be deficit in arcuate fasciculus integrity: white matter.
Idn i might have this because i was diagnosed with adhd and dyslexia so i might have this too but they didnt test me for this but everithing that he said sounds like me and allsow in my country we allways write cursive so that helps a bit but it still does look prety bad but i can write realy good but it takes like 1 minute for two sentances
Just turned 16, learned about this today and I probably have it. Going to the doctor's office next week to make sure.
Be careful, as not all Drs really knows about this.
Go to a person who has specific expertise.
I have dysgraphia and grew up in the 70snwhen cursive
Was the only writing style. Was even diagnosed when I was10 but they knew nothing of it. Cursive was a curse, it’s possible to space out the words really wide even in cursive also I had the inverted circles aspect of it so it was really hard getting out of vowels and I kept going around and making thick letters and then my hand would hurt
How do I know if I have this problem? I can read perfectly fine, but can't spell a lick.
How's your handwriting?
I have dysgraphia and can read fine, it doesn’t affect that I don’t think. It’s just writing like the video explains. The video is spot on for what I have and I was also diagnosed with it
@@Frog_Is_My_Name think I may have lived with this all my life.. does it make tasks useing your hand harder too. Everything I do looks like I rushed it.?