The umpire goes off!!
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- Опубліковано 21 бер 2017
- Brazoswood vs Pearland Dawson. The umpire gets upset when the coach challenges him on calling time during the pitcher's wind up. Then he goes back for more later in the game - and even after the game.
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I'm more annoyed by the white lettering on the outfield fence in the batter's eye.
Roger Fritz and that damn fence, it’s like 35 ft high dead center tf
Roger Fritz yessssssss!!!
I wonder if anyone ever hit a HR over that center field fence. With the height it would take at least a 450 footer just to barely clear it.
Amen, I was a catcher from 11-12 y/o Little League through weekend semi-pro ball after college, and a batter's eye should be completely contrasting. When there are light colors (i.e. the white lettering in the deep center field wall where the "batter's eye" is, it doesn't just make it hard for the hitter who has to react within < 1 second to a type of pitch that he doesn't know is coming, but its even tough for the catcher when he does know what pitch is coming (especially when your battery mate has a repertoire with some nasty breaking balls) and with runners on base it could cause a problem for the team on the field, in addition to the hitter.
Yeah my nephew got called out for a little white on his glove while pitching and those letters aren’t a distraction
I don't trust a short, puny umpire. A good umpire needs to be obese, a steady diet of hot dogs, calzone and simple carbohydrates.
Randy Bailin my softball umpire is just like that 😂😂 not kidding
And 30 not too young and not too old
Randy Bailin we don’t care who you trust
Randy Bailin I think a thorough understanding of the rules, hustle, not moving while seeing a play (if you are running, your eyes are moving. Get the best position, and then stand still while the play occurs). Consistent strike zone, and good judgment. If you have the hide of a rhino, it helps. And always support your partner.
Also, once the game is over, just leave. If there is an issue, the umpire can take it up with the assigner, and the coach can take it up with whoever runs the league or tournament.
In my experience, I always found that the more a coach understood the game and the rules, the fewer problems I had.
based upon this it would seem I am in the wrong profession. I fit almost all those criteria HAHAHAHAHA
The real crime is that the runner on second didn’t straight steal of the pitcher in full windup
Good point!! The batter screwed them out of a base there!
There's a runner on 3rd too
@@jonathanbroughtonreacts I didn't see a runner on third, the camera moved too fast for me to see it. I assume you are talking about the last series when the batter lined out to the second baseman?
@@jonathanbroughtonreacts series at 1:30 doesn't show a runner on third. If there is a runner in third then that's the only reason he shouldn't have taken the free bag.
Coming from that drunk umpire video this was much more refreshing to see him not fall on the catcher lol
Drunk umpire ehh?
As an umpire myself, this guy shouldn't have gone out of his way to instigate the coach. Unprofessional in my opinion.
Yes, as in "should not" of.
Definitely, would have been interesting to be able to see the whole thing unfold. I felt uncomfortable for the other umpire at the end.
What is this?? Commentary on a baseball video or a fucking English class.
How did the umpire instigate the coach? Look at the video the coach was yelling from the dugout and then came out to talk to the umpire. Then the coach was at third base box and called time to talk again to plate umpire. The coach wasn't ejected but placed in the dugout because he kept complaining about the plate umpire giving the other team to many time out the umpire had enough
Like I said earlier, not an English class. So I typed some slang. Big fucking deal. Time for you to go away now.
Well that's 4 minutes of my life I won't get back
(this from a guy who saves Jeff Dunham videos. WTF?)
Fn lame!
Thank you
Did u want to see the ump take a swing at someone?
I umpired for a few years and I know how aggravating/frustrating coaches can be when arguing a call but there is no excuse for an ump to act this shockingly unprofessional on the field. I know umps can be dragged into a shouting match with a coach over a call but it has to be dropped afterwards. making a point to ask the coach if it was ok the next time he called time for a batter was immature and looking for trouble for absolutely no reason.
Yep. The umps/coaches should never overshadow what the kids are doing on the field.
Well said. I umped HS and JBO for 12 years. This is a great training video for umpire associations under the heading of WHAT NOT TO DO.
That could all be avoided by calling both coaches to the plate area and having a civil conversation. The Official could ask that all the petty mlb style gamesmanship end but ask in a respectful manner and verbiage. In a state playoff game I suspect the coaches would fall in line and have the players stop the BS.
They are NOT PROFESSIONALS!! They are umpire wannabees. These jerks rob the joy from players. Seen it over and over again as my grand kids grew up. Even witnessed an ump make a little girl cry on the mound over nothing.
He is bad person no good
Got to hand it to Dawson for excellent head game play. Better than just breaking the pitcher's rhythm, they got into the coach's head.
I am an ex ump and I know the best weapon you have is silence. You made your call and NO ONE can change it. Just keep your mouth shut. end of story.
Never heard it put that way in 20 years of doing this....best advice I think I have heard. I will use it!
That was the best answer I have heard and you are correct.
Ken Maxey
yes
Bigleswade1 that's what my dad said and I'm becoming a ump in spring
If this umpire ever showed up for another game of mine, I would refuse to put a team on the field. Saw it done years ago, the conference got the message and the umpire never worked another game in that conference that season.
I called for 40 years. In the beginning, I was vocal and would talk back to coaches. I soon learned that the best thing I could do is just let it all just flow from one ear out the other. As long as I kept my mouth shut, most others kept their mouth shut. No sense in talking shit to a coach. That's just not how this works. Especially after he stopped a pitcher who had started his motion. Once that happens, don't allow a time out. Just call the pitch. The batter will stop all that crap soon enough.
How do you not allow a timeout?
@@georgeswca Because it's umpire judgement whether the request for time was given before the pitcher started their motion, right? There is a safety concern in these situations both for the pitcher AND for the batter. Typically, these kinds of time out games that batters like to play with pitchers have a tendency to escalate and lead to retaliation once the teams change over on the half-inning. The umpire has to address it as soon as they see it. When you've been around the game long enough, you know when a batter is trying to play these pace of play games as opposed to legit getting a bug in their face, etc. I will not hesitate if I sense the batter is trying to push the envelope before putting the ball back in play, I will brush off the plate and as I return to my position behind the catcher, I will quietly encourage them to stop what they are doing. They know. If it continues to be a problem with additional batters, I will grab the coach between innings and again...quietly tell him to speak with his players. Same for the pitchers...if I think a pitcher is quick pitching, before I actually apply a penalty and award a ball on the count or whatever the rule set demands, I will call time and walk out to the mound, ask to see the baseball, inspect the baseball and then ask him to please wait for the batter to be alert and ready in the box.
2:20 "you're out of line, Blue" perfect!
2:18
I'm sure there's a lot more to this story that was edited out. I love it that they changed the view from behind the plate that would have shown if the pitcher was in motion or not.
Exactly what I was thinking! I feel like it kind of ruined the whole point of the video!
I umpire Little League and junior high school travel ball. Ironically the travel coaches are so much more forgiving and understanding than the dads who coach Little League. My teenage sons umpire too. I have never been more nervous in my life than when watching my sons umpire. The whole time I am praying under my breath, "Please, don't blow a call, please don't blow a call..."
Well, I'm guessing that travel league coaches have a much better grasp of the rules than a lot of the volunteers that coach Little League. Also, I have known about a half dozen guys and women (women's softball) who have coached travel ball, and a couple of them also umpired as well, so they know what a difficult job that is.
Also, it seems as if the parents who attend the travel league games are better behaved, don't act as if they know the whole rule book, and don't have the attitude that people come to the games to hear them bellow.
I started umpiring at 16 and never started an incident. If anything, I may have let the coach or players go too far, but did everything I could to calm the situation and tried not to throw someone out, even though there were times I had to. I remember umpiring an adult hardball league game and the team at bat got upset that I didn't "spring out' from behind the plate on a bunt (I was soloing it that game), made the call out at first and the bench came unglued (the guy was out, but I was standing on home plate when I made the call). They just kept yammering at me, I finally called time, went over to the bench and told them they had their say and enough was enough. I excepted their reason, though, and said I'd do a better job of "hustling." After the game those same guys thanked me for my "professionalism" and said I actually did a good job. I explained to them I didn't like throwing people out of games, especially after these guys pay good money to play in the league. Needless to say, the association I worked for let me know that adult league requested I be used more there. Yeah. I missed my calling, but back then pro umpires starting out in the rookie league made $500 month and you had to pay your own traveling expenses. Like that was going to happen, I had just gotten married. How did I know this? Talking to Harry Wendelstadt, who ran the pro umpire school during the off season.
Right. I umped for 12 years, and while I was involved in a couple "incidents" (this was back in the late 70's to 80's, and there weren't the "No Tolerance" rules for arguing back then.) I never started and crap. That's just totally bush.
That didn't stop me from being "inventive" in my responses. One time, on a base hit to the outfield with runners at 2nd and 3rd, with 2 out, the lead runner stepped right over home plate. At that time, once the player went to the dugout (I don't know if the rule has been changed or not), it was a "tag the plate with the ball" play for the out. So, the play ran its course, the second runner scored, and the catcher called for the ball. He stepped on the plate and said, "Ump, the first runner never touched home." And I said to him, "You are absolutely right. Lead runner is out."
Oh, did I mention that this was the top of the 7th (last inning in a Senior League game) and that the batting team was down 2 runs? Sorry. So, the catcher stepped on home plate, the lead runner became the 3rd out, the trailing runner's run was nullified....inning over, game over. The losing coach went apes***.
Don't you know, I get them three days later. So we're at the plate, pre-game, exchanging lineups, and the manager says, "How about it, (my name) are your going to f*** us like you did Monday?" Well, the f-word is automatic. He's out of the game, instead of a simple ejection, I got a sad look on my face and said, "Maybe, maybe not, but you'll never know, because you won't be here to see the game." Then I ejected him. lol
This was a great show for those 20 people in the stands.
I keep hearing Hank Hills voice 'Dammit Bobbeh!'
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I can't wait to see this ump go off, I'm so excited!!!! Wait, the video just ended and no one ever went off. Does it happen in a sequel? Because it definitely didn't happen here....
I was going to leave a comment about how I must've missed something or I just didn't understand wth was going on. Until I decided to read a few others to try to gauge some sort of storyline to piece together, but I see I'm not the only one waiting for the ump to lose it.. click bait clearly!
The ump “goes off” by turning to the 3rd base coach and saying “is that ok?” instigating a bigger arguement. Anyone whos umpired or even played ball would know this was unprofessional af.
@@jacobcrone7343 Wow, it's hard to believe you think that was an umpire getting upset and going off. Well thanks for making it obvious you've never even watched a game, much less played in one.
The pitcher chose to create conflict by quick pitching. The batter chose to create conflict by requesting time during the pitcher's motion. The umpire chose to create conflict by prolonging the argument.
I love these videos.
This ump is moving during the pitcher's delivery on every pitch, so it's already clear he doesn't know his job. No surprise he doesn't know the rules either. If he's a volunteer he's overpaid.
You ever watched a baseball game?
The batter entered the box with his hand already up (asking the umpire to hold the pitcher off from starting, the umpire should have raised his hand at that time). The pitcher obviously has a quick wind-up and (may have been 'quick-pitching') started. Whether the umpire grants time is entirely up to him, but it is also up to him to quit his job because he is terrible at it.
As a former umpire at the HS level, if a batter walked into the box with his hand up it meant nothing to me. He needed to verbally ask for time. This was a point of emphasis from the state athletic association and the rule book. The umpire in this case was wrong for stopping the pitcher while in his motion.
That pitcher was quick pitching obviously. But at the same time this ump lost his cool. No one is right
Pitcher was in his motion and no time on the batter should've been granted. Protecting the batter...how about the pitcher who could injure himself on a call like that?
Cudos to this coach for doing his job despite this power trip ump trying to prevent it.
He had no need to ask if that was okay. He literally started an issue. You're there to keep the game in order, not show up the coaches because someone pees in your cheerios. Hopefully he's matured if he's still an official now.
coaches called him ref... should have run him right there! 😂
Patrick Kanipe exactly 😂
Patrick Kanipe lol
He didn't realize basketball season was over!
OK then you should be run out to. In baseball he's A manager, not a coach.
Patrick Kanipe has
I'm an umpire and have been one for a few years now. When you make a call you have to be confident and not tentative about your calls. You are the umpire and it is your duty to make sure the game is played fair, correctly, and nicely. No coach or manager, parent or spectator can change your call. If you know the rulebook then you know you are right on your calls. But if you dont have full confidence in yourself you are liable to make mistakes
Totally agree. If a coach is chirping you ignore it the first time, acknowledge and warn the second time, third time he’s gone. Never chirp the coach. Thats completely missing the point of being an impartial judge of the competition.
The Good: WOW! This plate umpire has one of the best strike mechanics I have ever seen from a HS umpire. Very crisp, clean and sharp. The Bad: You can't engage a Coach like this. The Advice: "Coach, in my judgement, the batter asked for time before the pitcher started his windup. If you continue, you will be ejected."...and then walk away. There is nothing more that needs to be said. As an umpire, when you walk away and the coach is now running after you, now the coach is the aggressor. The umpire should never be the aggressor. Easier said than done and takes a lot of games and a lot of years of experience to administer a game professionally.
Causally scrolling through UA-cam... realize this is my high school 2 years later
Umpire has a Napoleon complex, poor game management skills.
Never pick up the shitty end of the stick - and don't poke the bear.
Post game evaluation - brutal.
He was absolutely right on all points but I agree that he managed the situation poorly
Napoleonic Complex to the nth degree and having to resort big shot, show-off tactics.
Greg You Americans have stood by and watched umpires be abused by the Players and Coaches and did nothing about it. It is a wonder that you have any Umpires at all. They are human like anyone else and make mistakes GET on with the game
In Cricket there is NEVER any on- field confrontation with any Umpire and it has been that way for 200 years
That was wrong!! There's no room for Umpires on a power trip! This is one of the reasons I gave up coaching, some of the boy's in blue cost my kids games. It felt as though that we were playing the other team and the umpires as well. The good umpires were always good, but the bad ones were awful I'm not sure why they even showed up..
uvcoach42 small man syndrome is what that ump had.
uvcoach42 at some point in an officials career they get tired of get walked on and treated like shit. I know a bunch of guys that did 1 season and quit I know guys that had 1 game and talked about quitting. It isn’t always the umpires fault. Most of the coaches are great guys who want to teach but there are a few that all they want is to win and will do whatever they have to do to get calls. Including bullying umpires and harassing them. We have had to call the cops several times because some of the coaches got way to out of hand.
The umpire used to play high school ball against the Bucs and could never beat them/us so this was his only way of getting a win against the school needless to say he’s not umpiring at anymore game
How many of your "kids" are in the show now? Nuff said! Let the kids play and stop making excuses. Show everyone respect and maybe, just maybe you will get it back.
Games buddy, not game. I think you are lying by the way. This ump, if you even know him is probably just an all around better person than you and you are jealous. Seems to be common, especially when parents try to live their failures through their children in a game.
Lmao that ump is extra af him and that coach must have a history
There is always that one grandma that say boo!
Former professional umpire here,
For everyone that jumps on the umpire immediately, just consider a few things. This video was recorded and edited by a fan of one team. It is very likely to not include anything that could make that team or the coach look like they were in the wrong. It is very likely that we're missing a large piece of the puzzle here.
The question of whether or not the umpire should call time when he did is kind of a silly one. This is a grey area, and usually is not an issue unless somebody already wants to make a fuss, which goes along with my previous statement about a piece of the puzzle missing. It is very unlikely that this coach took such exception to time being given to the batter without prior conflict. As for the umpire, he was absolutely in the right to be more firm and aggressive with the coach when he came out to question why time was granted to the red team's batter. That's not a good reason to come out and onto the field, and any umpire with a brain and a spine would put an end to it, just like our umpire here did. If it would've continued much longer, we likely would've had a restriction or ejection.
Now on to the next incident. This one doesn't look as good for our umpire. I know he would admit that it was not in his best interest to restart the conflict by facetiously asking "Is it okay if I do that?" That surely was not a good look. We are all humans, and just like coaches, umpires are entitled to an outburst from time to time, though this was not one of those times. Far too often, the perception is that umpires should be seen and not heard. This is an over-generalization. Poor, untrained umpires will be seen and hopefully unnoticed. However, a great umpire will know when to speak up and make themselves heard. The first incident mentioned in the previous paragraph was one of those times, and the second instance in this paragraph was not one of those.
After the game was over, we just get a glimpse of a conversation that is already in progress. We don't know what was said by who to start it, we jump in right in the middle of it. It may have been the umpire that started it, but it could've been a coach or assistant coach. We truly do not know. Again, I'm suspicious of the video editing to make us "see" what they want us to see.
One thing to note about our umpire is that he is not afraid of conflict. That can truly be an asset to an umpire or any person in a different profession. Simply due to the nature of the job, an umpire must inject themselves into a situation at times because they must enforce the rules. I think the first incident regarding the granting of time to the red team's batter was one of these times. The umpire had to stand his ground, be firm, and provide an explanation, and that's exactly what he did. His personality is a strong one, and I don't think it is a hindrance to him. The second incident was a poor choice for him to grab that argument, but I'm not afraid of this happening to him again.
Next, to the parents in the stands, for everyone's sake, please just shut up and watch your kids. Nobody wants to hear it. It never ceases to amaze me how grown adults can suspend adulthood for a period of time and act like children. Watch the video again and just listen to the snide, childish remarks made by the parents. Most would never say those things to another person's face, but they feel perfectly safe projecting those comments on our umpire with his back to them and no way of identifying who they are. No matter what the fans have to say, if it isn't directly and 100% positive to a player, it isn't necessary or relevant to the game in any way and it just doesn't need to be said.
Lastly, full disclosure, I was a classmate of the umpire at pro school a few years ago. He is truly a great umpire with more natural ability for umpiring than most. The hardest part to learn is when to speak up, and this guy had that already. Lots of times, we have to put ourselves in tough situations because its our job to enforce the rules. These high school and under games are the hardest to umpire because the coaches aren't professional coaches. They can be a high school coach of 40 years, but they're still not a professional coach. They're an amateur coach with amateur coach's mentality. I don't mean that in a condescending way, but rather that amateur coaches tend to be much more confrontational and difficult because they have to speak on behalf of minors and their parents. Professional coaches let the adults do their own talking, and rarely have to babysit until they do, and then everybody in the ballpark knows it because they're out on the field waving their arms like a child in an attempt to create the illusion that they are truly offended by whatever just transpired, even though they're just sticking up for their guy. There are a lot fewer "silly" comments and confrontations in professional ball. We saw almost exclusively these types of "silly" incidents in this video. Context is important. This video provides none other than what the producer wanted you to see.
A bit long winded, but we’ll said and needed to be said. Especially about the potential editing.
Haha I watched a couple of coach ejections and lo and behold my old coach pops up on suggestions with almost a million views 🤣
“Is that okay?” Had me dying hahaha
Back in the day, a late timeout would get the batter what Nolan Ryan called a "bow tie" on the next pitch. That said, the umpire has no business baiting a coach.
One unwritten rule I wish I had followed more was, "Don't umpire angry"!
Life is to short humans aren't used to constant griping, complaining and personal abuse. No wonder these kids don't want to umpire.
Umpire was in the wrong. He didn't have to say "is that ok if I do that?" to the 3rd base coach.
As a pitcher, I get that batters will happen to call time out right as I'm starting my motion sometimes. Fine, it happens. I'll finish my pitch and take something off of it.
However, if you're going to do this multiple times to get in my head when I'm in my motion, and the umpire allows that shit... Let's just say you better not put your head down after stepping out, cause a 90 MPH heater may have just slipped out a bit.
Oh yeah. A batter that repeatedly does that to disrupt the pitcher needs to have a fastball buried in the ribs.
Coach did a fantastic job keeping his composure. That kid should go start back over in t-ball.
As an UMPIRE, (NOT a REF), I am truly embarrassed at this "Umps" reaction to the Coaches behavior. He should NEVER have called "time" WHEN THE PITCHER IS READY/ STARTING HIS DELIVERY. And you NEVER, EVER ARGUE WITH A COACH. You simply explain your position AND WALK AWAY. Then let your partner deal with the situation, and if they keep arguing....
Completely agree
"He should NEVER have called "time" WHEN THE PITCHER IS READY/ STARTING HIS DELIVERY. "
Sure, if you ignore the fact that the batter clearly was not set. The pitcher was trying to quick-pitch the batter.
@@puckeringsl
2nd job: Security guard at Denny's.
I'm 6'6" 250 umpired 17 yrs 1,000+ games. One ejection. Luckily I'm big so I just use body language and keep my cool. Because when I don't and you're this big everybody geeks out and exaggerates
what you do when mad. I scare little to average people. Like I tried to knock over a building or something. When a little shrimp gets mad people laugh.
Don't get short with me mr. Frodo!
Unprofessional on the umps part. As a former umpire you carry yourself in a professional manner by being impartial to the outcome of the game. The ump was young and has a lot to learn
Your comment has lots to learn 🤡🤡🤡
Who you umpire for? 9 year olds? You know nothing. That young ump went to pro school and umpires at a high level now. Who tf are you “former ump”?
When did he go off i missed it
seeing that state champs 2011 brings back bad memories
“No one can quote silence”
The umpire is out of line, but when the manager calls the umpire a "ref," he lost all rights to complain. Maybe Mr. Umpire or blue, but never ref. He probably also calls home plate home base.
That shows you how much of the rule book that coach knows!! Prima dona'.
i umpire myself and this is only my second year and even i know you never instigate anything you are supposed to be proffessional and call the game as you see it if you show you are mad to a coach they will think you are against their team if a coach starts something then eject them but dont start shit yourself
215 Phresh lol wtf? Are you the umpire in this video or something? Or do you think this ump was in the right?
LG 215 Wow. That was...unnecessary af.
I've been an umpire 0 years and knew the ump should never instigate anything
And *professional! 👌✌
No one’s even paying attention to the little ump at the end but he’s still yelling 😂 at who 🤷🏼♂️
The book says if the pitcher isn't in a clear forward motion then the batter gets the pause. The wind-up isn't one of them along with the MLB rules. "Cocked" will not equal forward motion. All leagues are different but that is how it is. This is a "repercussion" of anyone trying to buy it. It is an unusual form of selling a fake pitch. Blue is mad because he knows exactly what they doing and got frustrated.
You are a fool. The umpire did EXACTLY what he was supposed to do. You have obviously never had to be responsible for the control and flow of the game from an umpires view. It is ignorant,stupid fools that get on a bandwagon of fools that do NOT know what you are talking about. Your a joke
This umpire should be commended
Legend has it he still has never read the book
Is it different in little league than MLB? The ump can call time at any point in the game. Even if the ball is about to go outside the park inbetween the foul lines.
Although you don't like to call time as the pitcher is going into his wind-up, there is no rule that says you can't. Not in HS, or the pros.
Loud mouth coaches trying to intimate the umpire.
@@hatfez thanks I have no idea what the rules are for Highschool Baseball. My brother played during his Highschool years back in the 90s. The coaches would always stick up for the players when the umps made a bad call, but it was mostly for call balls a strike again and again... If this kept happening. It would be handled after the game, with a compliant to the higher ups. The coach and the parents are acting like a punch of wanna be street thugs.
@@jasonwhiteside5517 High school coaches are on a pretty short leash these days. Any unsportsmanlike behavior or abuse to officials is dealt with immediately.
Again, the goal is to teach the kids the game of Baseball & to keep them safe.
@@hatfez it's pathetic for a grown-up to act like an ignorant ne'er-do-well in front of kids who they're supposed to be a good role model for developing minds, instead they're throwing temper tantrums, and whining to get their way.
Joe West Jr. behind the plate. Making his dad proud!
I love when they added the captions to the second coach fighting after the first toss and the coach called him a ref clearly this is baseball not football. So it is an ump/umpire
Maybe a veiled insult?
Anyone know what year the hometeam won the state championship? I didn't catch the division either. Thanks in advance
Weak umpire. So, I can agree with his behavior at the beginning, even if it is a bit vociferous, but the antics when the coach was at 3rd base and after the game are unacceptable. He needs to check his attitude. I would be surprised if he didn't get some sort of reprimand from the state association.
The coach was yelling at the plate umpire 'Read the book' meaning read the rule book on giving time to the batter. The umpire did the right thing stop the coach from showing him up. If the umpire did nothing the coach may have shown the rule to the umpire
Jumper Guy, that wasn't the coach yelling that. It was a fan in the stands.
Please re-read my post. I was referring to the UMPIRE being vociferous.
I suspect that is why the kid went to umpiring games. For a couple of hours, he is the boss of the field, thinking he can demand people respect him.
Jumper Guy You have to be vociferous to use words like vociferous.
Umpire should not be granting time to the batter when the pitcher is "hot" (read that to be just about to or has started motion to pitch.) This is the root of the problem. Too many umpires, as I have too, reacted to such requests. Granting time to the batter is not protecting him. I now only grant time if the pitcher is "cold" (not even close to being ready to pitch) or for a safety item such as bugs in the area around home plate. If the batter asks for time and the pitcher is hot, but has not started, I count to three (mentally) and if the pitcher doesn't start his motion (freezing the hitter) then I might grant time. This has been an emphasis in HS and NCAA.
I have been out of umpiring for 5 years so I did not know that was an emphasis point. So, how I used to grant time in these situations is likely outdated.
If this had been one of my umpires that I was evaluating I would have given low marks regarding situation management.
Were the callings of Time wrong? In my mind the first one in the video was good. The rest of them would be against my judgement of well done...but that is a judgement call. We can have a conversation about them in case there is some decision making process that needs correction. Especially regarding the Time granted before 'checking' with the coach in question.
However, it is never acceptable to show up the coach. We cannot expect to enforce a standard of players/coaches not showing up umpires when umpires in the same association are initiating the showing-ups. Thus, the baiting of the coach was out of line (at least that was when I was an assignor). If he is really feels compelled to make a point that the batter protection goes both ways then he could do so in a calm, quiet conversation between innings under the guise of checking the lineups...a conversation that only the 2 of them are part of. Instead the appearance could be that he was looking for a chance to demonstrate his point. That undermines his credibility through the game. Again, I would rather he had just moved on. But even accounting for the human emotions in this situation he STILL had the opportunity to manage the situation.
Depending on who was assigned as the crew chief on this game I might have had a conversation with the base umpire. I would definitely want him as a crew chief to intervene as the situation is getting out of control. However, he did attempt to intervene a bit during the after game exchanges.
Granting time is not protecting him-what? The batter could have something in his eyes or a equipment repair. So just because the pitcher is 'hot' and your not granting time to the batter because you don't want to slow him down- what are you talking about.
Your approach is moronic. You're using some idiotic nebulous concept of the pitcher being "hot" which you've fabricated yourself out of thin air as some sort of secondary criteria as if it's an actual rule. Of course you always have discretion whether to actually grant timeout or not, but it doesn't require any nonsense like that.
I agree he's saying just because the pitcher is ''hot' (on a roll) the batter should not be granted time, that's like saying the batters are 'hot' and the coach can't call time to talk to his pitcher.
He's not categorizing "hot" as being on a roll; he categorizes "hot" as having started or about to start his motion.
That’s the weirdest outfield fence, must suck for hitters.
That ump allowed himself to be dragged into petty arguments he can't win. That's the makings of a poor umpire. (rabbit ears) Hears everything and responds to them instead of just letting the game progress unless it gets out of hand. But As soon as the base coach said "Time out-I'm GOING to talk to him"...he's gone. He does not dictate to the ump how and when time is granted. poor behavior by both the ump and coach. It all started by the pitcher quick pitching and the coach being irritated by the ump calling time...happens all the time.
This umpire's careless demeanor begs for people to question him, even before he arrogantly picks a fight with the manager. There's a way to handle disagreement on interpretation, and raising the tension is not it. Poor showing.
He's not even set when the pitcher delivers the pitch. Lazy.
Craig Simon I noticed that. He had a major attitude from the start.
Short little umpire has a Napoleon complex.
Was it Opposite Day for the umpire?
Im a vampire and this vampire is wrong for arguing .
One of the biggest unwritten rules in baseball is; when the game is over, GET OFF the field!! This umpire needs a good talking to about the way he handled this situation.
Offspring of Joe West?
Paul Goblet I needed that laugh hahahahahahaha
Marty Mac 🙂
Paul Goblet a Joe West and Angel Hernandez love child.
About 250 pounds too light.
I was recently playing a allstars tournament and it was states and the person in charge didn’t follow any rules and it was really annoying
Why did the camera angle change for the “come on he’s in motion”
Somebody needs to tell that umpire that nobody came out to watch him. He should get behind the plate and call the game instead of grandstanding.
First off, the ump has lost control of the game, and himself. Ultimately, this situation could have been controlled better, and Blue handled it wrong. That being said, here is what I saw: (Side note: I really hate the cut away shots to the side because whomever posted this video 'appears' to be hiding something.)
At 00:12/00:13 you see the pitcher beginning his delivery before the batter is ready. Granted, the batter is in the box, but he is calling time until that point, and just barely moving his right hand toward the bat when the pitcher begins delivery of the ball. Essentially the pitcher is 'quick pitching' him. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that this happened the entire game/inning with this pitcher/team, and that the coach teaches his pitchers to pitch when the batter is off balance, etc. to gain an advantage.
If this was a lower level game, I would have had a calm discussion with the pitcher and coach to wait for the batter to be ready, or I would just begin 'holding' the pitcher until I determine the batter is ready. Since this appears to be a high school game, they know better, so I would have called a ball/balk. I'm sure a discussion would have been had at that point with the unhappy coach, but calling them out on cheating generally shuts them up. The quick pitch is cheating, unsportsmanlike, and proof of a sub-par coach/pitcher. It also creates safety issues when a pitched ball strays from it's intended target.
Not hiding anything. I had two cameras at the game - one at the side and one behind the plate. I synced up the two videos and tried to use the best shots to show what was going on. (I hate video behind the plate because the net impedes the view so I prefer side shots - I was there to catch action shots).
Being at the game, what I thought was most notable was that 1) this ump called "time" twice while pitcher was in motion. The second time was what prompted the coach to appeal/discuss. And you can see the discussion didn't go too well.
Most importantly, the strangest event came later when the ump called "time" for a brazoswood player, then took off his mask and shouted to the coach, "Is that OK with you?" in a very sarcastic way.
The game ended with the umpire still yelling/baiting the coach(es).
Sorry I assumed that you saw the quick pitch, and might be trying to hide something. This is why I put 'appears' in parenthesis. Since that is not the case, I think it is reasonable to say that we agree the umpire didn't know the rule, or apply it appropriately. He was off base on baiting the coaches, and really needs to learn how to control his emotions if he wants to continue being an umpire.
Thanks to both of you,NefDefFilms and Matt Shaw, guys for educating us or myself.I couldn't fully understand the advantages/disadvantages that occurred. I do have a two -part question....Like in MLB, does the umpire have the authority to eject the coach? Also, if the coach felt that the umpire was "low-balling" his players could he dispute it and to whom?..
Yes, the umpire can eject the coach
Correct me if i'm wrong/or if any of u feel differently about what my absolute first impression w/in the first couple seconds was This ump is either a) show boat b) self-conceited feels like he is 20 levels over this game and i formed all of this from his hands on his hips.. And before almost every pitch that is shown on this cam you will see his terrible posture which makes him look like he doesn't want to be there. Agree?
that's your opinion, I respect it. I just feel differently.
Little guy....says it all!!
Come on...Quit calling time out... There's 10's of people watching..👍😁
00:26 who else hates pitchers like that
thats a new rule this year and a POE. illegal position.
I only referee soccer matches, so I am not as experienced as some of the other people in this. I know as a soccer ref, I miss things and I will stick to the call, even if it is wrong. I will own up to it after the game, not during because I do not want people to believe they can walk all over me. I would never instigate anything with the coach. He came across hostile in the first instance, and could have avoided everything had he not asked "Is that ok?" You can think it, but opening your mouth only makes the job harder.
This was 5 years ago. I'm pretty sure the umpire is probably cringing looking back at challenging the coach, "Is that all right?" Also, I have run into a couple of 'quick pitch pitchers', and they give no time, so I'm waiving off the pitch to protect the batter... the batter isn't even calling time. Finally, this is also a *VERY* young umpire! Heck, I'm 51 and when I started back umpiring 2 years ago I dropped the average age down 10 years, lol. One thing I will say, is that when you are older (say 40-55) and hustle, no one questions you. But when you are younger- like this umpire is- I do remember games when I was questioned because of my age (19 years old to 25), and that was really frustrating as an umpire.
Ark, I agree with you. Sorry but the umpire lost his composure.
Agree also. Been calling games since 2002. I'm used to seeing coaches getting abusive with umpires. This was very odd feeling seeing an official initiating a confrontation with a coach. Ark's point by point analysis was dead on. It would be interesting to know if there is some "history" between these two individuals.
This coach claims time and walks across the defense to "talk to him" and the video is titled about the ump? He should have been ejected.
Coach calls time to argue = good night. You're gone. This looks like some kind of minor league game so that means there is an umpire's association that can take care of the umpire if he's 'bad'. But that still doesn't allow coach the opportunity to call 'time' so he can argue a call. That's not in the book either.
@@lineygoblue4252 he called time to talk to the pitcher
@@JOHNMARCEY no, he called time to talk to the first base coach. The pitcher was on the other team.
@@marmac2768 no he was going to talk to the 1st base ump who was probably the crew chief for the game
@@alecedgeworth2814 I don't think you can tell by that, all I know is he should have asked for time first and then go over.
The most settle ejection ever. I'm not saying he's right but if I was going to toss somebody I at least would have thrown my hand😂
I've never seen someone go off like that!
1st one: Pitcher quick pitched. 2nd one from side view: Catcher went through about 20 signs. Batter was getting out of rhythm so he called time WHILE the catcher was still giving his goddamn signs. Nothing unsportsmanlike about that from the batter, but if the pitcher was starting his motion while the catcher was giving signs, especially an audible slap on the glove, that's bush league from the defense. Going out to argue something that the coach obviously instilled in his players as a cheating tactic makes it worse. The umpire probably had to deal with this the entire game so he's beyond his breaking point. I don't blame him for acting the way he did. I wish more umpires would call out such obvious cheaters. And for him to rub it in after the game, that coach deserved it. That umpire stood up for every coach who coached the game the right way
Cheating are you out of your mind
@@richromano2816 it is cheating…. I’ve been quick pitched while my head was still at the ground
Quick pitch. Batters are supposed to stay in the box at all levels now, unless they swing and miss and get off balance, or they foul the pitch off. The umpire should have been telling him to get back in and be ready to hit.
If the team at bat was constantly stepping out to disrupt the pitcher, THAT is cheating as well.
Oh, it was OK for the umpire to keep running his mouth even after the game? I'll bet you're another one of these 5-foot-nothing umpires with a Napoleon Complex. Either that, or the President of the Joe West Fan Club.
@@fredluden2298 No it's not. Their batters are not supposed to be constantly stepping out of the batter's box. That rule was implemented several years ago at all levels, right up to MLB. Just because MLB umpires don't have the ball to call the players on it, doesn't mean the rule doesn't exist.
Elden Lee You made some good points, but then had to ruin your comment by using God's name in vain, bro. 👎
Exodus 20:7 👌✌
When the batter puts both feet in the box he really should be ready for a pitch in my opinion
That umpire doesn't even need to squat to call pitches.
Umps like this were the ones as child's trying to be the ref while other kids played games.
Very unprofessional! I hate to say it but I would of wrote special report on this umpire. The U1 should of stepped in and told the PU to shut his mouth!
Like most u ones ive worked with....they think its a ...'free ride'.....smh...
It is absolutely not the other umpires job to step into another umpires situation. Had one of my partners stepped into one of my situation pre-ejection I would have kicked his ass in the locker room. This guys is clearly a younger umpire and doing a pretty good job over all, with time/seasoning he will learn better ways to handle this situation. There is a timing issue here ... if the pitcher holds the ball too long getting sign's you can't expect the batter to not be affected by staying ready to hit. It puts the batter at a disadvantage. Conversely, if the batter keeps calling time to slow the pitcher down that will have to be addressed too. That being said ... a simple comment to the batter on the first time request of "hey ask for time a little sooner... ok?" will solve this problem most of the time and if the pitcher is holding the ball too long (more than 10 seconds-ish) then give the batter time and tell the head coach.
I didn't know Angel Hernandez's kid was umpiring.
this looks like a clear-cut case of Napoleon Complex.
Umpire is a BobbyBooey
First time call was way late. Second one, we couldn't see the pitcher. The third, however, where he antagonized the coach, was horribly unprofessional. Come on, sir, you know better than that.
The first time was the correct call. The batter doesn't just have to be in the box. He also has to be ready.
@@alexh8613 He was in the box, dropped the hand to signal he was ready, then changed his mind after the pitcher - who did wait for him to drop the hand, which is more than he is required to do - had already started his motion. Time should not have been granted there.
@@colbyhuff3406 The hand means nothing in regards to the rules. The batter has to be ready.
@@alexh8613 You're arguing with someone who has nearly two decades of umpiring experience. You're not going to win any debate with me about the rule book. The batter was in the box. The batter used a commonly recognized signal at the beginning of the sequence shown to indicate he wasn't ready. He then - without actually requesting time - lowered the hand and brought it back to the bat. That would indicate a readiness to hit. Then, realizing that he'd screwed up by not requesting time, he made the request after the pitcher had started his motion to the plate. There is no reason for this umpire to have granted the request in that specific scenario. It was late, and I'd bet money that when his assignor saw video of this incident, he was reviewed accordingly by that assignor.
Have a nice day.
@@colbyhuff3406 Pause it at 0:13. The batter's hand is clearly still up and off the bat. If you have been an umpire for two decades, then you have been a shitty umpire for two decades. Do better
Was this in Texas?
“Read the book” “Tough guy” we are getting to the point where parents won’t be allowed to watch HS Sports
Coach was acting like he was innocent in all of this. Hopefully the coach and the umpire both were fired
Frank White you think the coach should be fired over that ? It’s a good thing you’re not in charge of anyone.
Damn, coach! That umpire really fucked you! That 1 hit and 3 errors is definitely on him!
I get the ump was not professional, but what about coach Bobby? What did he do to help the situation?
It’s rough when you have an official with an axe to grind. I’ve told an official “ he’s going to grab my arm as soon as the ball is released”. It happened, I rebounded the ball with one hand and he called traveling on me. Then he said “say something and you’re out”. Whew. I asked him what was up after the game and he said “ you be out there like you think you’re bad or something”. I was a whole runt of the litter. 🤯
bad on ump he instigated
umpire is wrong and I'm an umpire
UMPIRE VA How is that?
Steve, backing out and asking the coach,"is that ok" he started that conversation. I admit I don't know what may have happened thru out the game. However, I ump spoke those words FIRST. He's wrong. We have to be over the petty coach speak crap.
UMPIRE VA b.s.....sure he could have done a better job at keeping his cool, but as an OBVIOUSLY EXPERIENCED umpire, he doesn't take abuse and knows how to control the game....
He is doing a poor job of controlling the game.
I am too. And you are right. He was dead wrong and shouldn't be able to call any more games.
First pitch after the initial confrontation was definitely at the umpire lol.
ump is wrong in this situation....a batter can "request" time, but it isn't automatic. If the pitcher has started his movement, that request should be denied.
the pitcher was way too slow. the ump is right in saying he has to protect the batter too.
Mark Roth pitcher has 20 sec. To del. The ball...