This is the toughest pack ever made by the US Military. My pack have been in the harsh winters of Europe and the States, the jungles of Panama, red clay of Schofield Barracks Hawaii, and the deserts of Ft. Irwin CA. I also have jumped with it on Airborne operations. These packs are awesome.
You ain’t wrong brother... I took mine all over the world, never had an issue... NTC 6 times, Germany & Desert Storm... I’ve still got one and I’m near 60 years old...
I did about 18 years in SF and the large AlICE was the issue TA-50. Loaded and jumped with it in the 90 to 100 pound loading based on the mission. I have both medium and large versions with frames but one large now rides on a Coleman Ram-X frame retro fitted with MOLLE carrying shoulder straps and waist belt. The secret to making it ride correctly on the issue frame is how you load your gear. At one point some internal frame packs were issued to regular teams but the HALO teams got both the ALICE and the internal frame, given the option the ALICE the one was jumped in and carried. I am a diehard external frame fan, internal frame packs do not make the grade with me. As an aside the ancient and venerable Trapper Nelson (made and sold from the 1920s until the 1970s) is an external frame as was my old Bergen mountain rucksack. For a day pack a pistol belt, H harness belt suspender straps and a butt pack will suffice. Military surplus gear is durable, tough and your best bang for the buck. Hunt SGM (Retd)
haha, love that comparison! Neither ALICE nor AK47 are necessarily the most elegant things to carry around- but both will *always* get the job done and last you decades at minimum!
Gregory Warmoth Had an ALICE Bought commercial Blew it out Went back to ALICE bought another commercial Broke/returned under warranty Replaced Broke. Returned Hello ALICE That started 31 years ago. I don’t hike like I used to. Loading is critical.
As you put more in the load does not have to go out: You use the two closing straps to cinch the load to the frame, just move it around and tighten it down with the straps and you can put the load anywhere you want. You left out that the straps are twice as long as they need to be so you can secure another huge bag to the top of the pack, and they also can be used to wrap and fold the whole bag in on itself when packing a light load. I'll agree it is not the most comfortable bag, but if you really man-handle the straps and get everything tight and where you want it it's not that bad. This pack is INDESTRUCTIBLE. I've had the same one for over 20 years. I have thrown it over fences, off of moving trains, and down cliffs. The only thing that ever broke on it was the rivets that hold the frame together and the aluminum drain grommets on the bottom eventually came out. - But that's after 20 years of serious abuse.
I spent years in the a Army and not once did the Alice fail me. My daughter's I'm and wife all have Alice bug out bags and Ms. Alice won't let us down.
Alice medium with frame, durable, comfortable and roomy. . . with 38 lbs. . . 25 miles coastal hike over 4 days. . . 3 adults with 20 Scouts. . . loved it!
A few years ago I bought my best friend an alice pack with a frame when he went into the peace corps. He thought the frame was a small chair, and didn't like the backpack and ended up replacing it with a jansport... looking back I wonder if I ever really knew the guy I was so disappointed when he told me months later that he couldn't figure it out and didn't even care to research it, just a constant source of heartbreak for me as a friend, mentor, and gearhead.
Luke, you've got that thing strapped all wrong. I humped the Large in the infantry for the 60mm mortar. I carried 120# of my gear, spare mortar rounds and the full sized base plate for the 101st Airborne. take the shoulder straps and crank them all the way down till the metal binder is touching the top of the ruck. I our case, we took the waist belt, shortened it and buckled it BEHIND the frame and out of the way. You pop the quik-releases BEFORE the waist belt... 120# took you out from behind the knees. Seen it happen. with more weight, that thing isn't going anywhere and you don't need the waist belt. Plus, the heavier the item, the higher it went in the ruck. Thanks for doing this and all your videos. PS~ very jealous of Moose. :-D
I ffkkng hate the ALICE pack... i love my Mystery Ranch pack that i bought it myself! Also, ffkkng hate the Half Shelter too man.. cotton tent, stupid as ffkk and heavy. 0861 if u are wondering.
My father was issued this when he was in the army. He has since started using more better camping/ hiking bags so he passed this down to me. He carried this in Germany for a long time. (He served 1998-2003) but since Iv had it, it has been loyal to me. Out of every pack Iv ever owned including for school this pack has just been loyal to me, and iv never had an issue with it. It has survived winters in the Rocky mountains, summers in South American jungle, and overall travel. Love this pack, roughest bag the us ever made
Hi greetings from Germany and sorry for my bad english. I'm as old as the alice pack and I have both the medium and the large one which originally was for cold weather and expeditions. I also have the manual. When I was young backpacks with external frames are standart. I like them because the air circulate between your back and you don't sweat this much. I use this pack in winter because winter clothing is very bulky but not heavy and in summer to carry my rubberboat with this pack. I carry weigths as much as 45 kilograms, I don't know how much lbs this are but when you carry this amount of stuff you need as you say chinch it tho the frame. I do this with the cargo starps, one throug the lashes of the side pockets (you can use the strap of the 2 qt canteen) and the other with the cargo straps mentioned in the manual in the middle through the lashes on the side or you use the strap of the first aid bag I don't know the really name of this bag but it's not the individual first aid kit this has only alice clips and no strap. I like the alice packs very well and I would like to see them compared with the Berghaus Atlas 2 if you have the chance to get one. I own this one, too but it has internal frame and has small opening lid if you need this for clothes it is ok but bulky stuff fits better in the large alice pack. Nice Video and the idea to open up the stitching of the little pockets is something I need to thinkink about but on the other hand I don't want to destroy ;-) my alice pack. I don't either like the so called modifications on straps or whatever. This pack is nearly 50 years old and was made to last forever with or without modifikations. Best pack in the world. Good video I hope we wil see more in future.
A good report on a versatile pack, the 3 small pockets were designed to hold 2 x 30 round M16(the aluminium ones) each, if you did not know. How did you carry your rubber inflatable canoe/kayak?
One thing many may not know about the ALICE pack system is its versatility. Perhaps for preppers, bug outs situations, etc.... this pack gives more uses then just a backpack/ruck. The frame and pack can be easily separated. The frame and straps in conjunction with an issued ALICE pack shelf could be used for heavier loads. "Cargo Straps" were issued also for this use. The shelf clips neatly to the bottom of the frame. It allowed for heavy items like 5 gal fuel/water cans, ammo cans stacked 3 high, or radios to be transported with weight centering more on the hip or "kidney" belt. That set up could be handy if gathering wood or materials, water, or boxes of supplies from town! (Ok a little old thinking- but you get it) I've seen some modern bug out Alice packs with the "map pocket" in the cover used for a hydration bladder. Experiment with this setup!!!
I ffkkng hate the ALICE pack... i love my Mystery Ranch pack that i bought it myself! Also, ffkkng hate the Half Shelter too man.. cotton tent, stupid as ffkk and heavy. 0861 if u are wondering.
When I joined the Army in '99 I got my first taste of a Alice pack, with 80 plus pounds in it lol. Vets that have road marched, are not scared to go hiking with weight.
Thanks for a thorough review and thanks for getting straight to the point........unlike most UA-camrs who feel obligated to inform the world of their breakfast menu choices and how they are feeeeeeling. Thanks brother.
My friends and I have assembled several Alice "medium" packs for $50 or less, using "new/unissued" packs, frames, L.C.1 or L.C.2 shoulder straps and MOLLE II waist belt. We use only the "medium" Alice pack for exactly the reasons you stated about load profile and balance. Love your channel!
We used a pack very similar to this made by Tactical Tailor in Air Force Special Warfare. The main differences being that there are clip buckles on all of the compartments, including the main, which made things much easier on us in a time sensitive situation.
I have this pack and like it a lot. I bought an inner compression bag like you suggested and it helps quite a bit. Makes a big difference when the load isn't riding so low and wide. In warm weather the frame creates a gap between the pack and my back allowing for air flow. A nice feature.
Really love the large Alice pack, I put all my catfishing gear such as weights, rod holders, bait, clips, etc. Plus I also pack a small stove, coffee/cooking pot, utensils and spices and snacks. Carries everything I need to be out all day and night in one trip. Best bag I've ever owned.
ALICE is THE standard. It makes a great foraging pack. There is an attachable SHELF that fits to the frame, and is great for hauling large, bulky, and heavy items like water cans, tool boxes, firewood, etc. ALICE is the preferred pack for Train Hoppers, because it’s so durable and adaptable. Thanks.
you could do a video on improving the alice pack: fastex buckles, 1606 ac frame, molle ii kidney belt and shoulder straps, mss molle ii carrier, compression straps, etc...
I love this pack. This is the first pack I had when i started hiking on the A.T. over 5 years ago. Since then I tried out different packs, and now I'm using a Osprey Exos 58, heck of a lot lighter, but I will always love the ALICE pack, it's one of the toughest packs I've ever baught. Take Care brother. Strength And Honor. Be Well!
I used this at Ft. Riley back in 1988. Overall, I liked it but it is definitely not waterproof. We used the waterproof rubber lined bags to keep clothes in and then placed them inside the main compartment. Yes, when filled to capacity, it is awkward to hump. Just as you stated, the weight is too far rearward. I bought 2 of these at the base store brand new along with water bottles, a US military compass, load bearing equipment (ammo mag carriers) and an entrenching tool. All brand new. The packs were only $30.00 a piece! I never ever used the stuff LOL! We all have dreams of camping...in my case life got in the way, family, work etc. But getting close to retirement I am finally making plans. If nothing else, this equipment reminds me of my happy days in the army.
Good video, Luke. I suggest Inserting a 3 mil contractor's plastic in the inner compartment to keep all other items packed inside dry. It is very lightweight and could be used for multiple purposes in the campsite. Keep up the good videos. I'm a dedicated fan.
Love the ALICE; its always been my main camping/hiking pack. I can use a medium pack for a 3 night camp out if I'm partnered with someone else without using a frame (one person shelter, the other food). The large ALICE pack can be real comfortable, if packed well or a painful nightmare if not. Those long straps are great for a sleeping bag. In a long term base camp situation, I like to carry the add on shelf to carry firewood. The pass-through pockets as well as those ALICE attachments are great for carrying extra gear as long as you plan out the load.
I have 1 large and 3 medium packs and I have modified mine with molle 2 shoulder straps and waist belt. That makes world of difference in the way they carry. The load lifter adjustments on the molle straps can pull the top of the pace closer and mitigate that feeling of pulling you backwards.
I have this pack myself!!! I was able to get this thing, in the Large size with the aluminum frame for about 70 bucks from my local Army navy surplus store. I personally love it for the versatility. My favorite part is actually the side MOLLE patches, that I ran some 550 cord through to strap stuff too. Also, the straps on the top is what I use to use to carry my tent before I went to a hammock, and I put straps on the bottom to carry a Sleeping bag, which I don't need anymore. But these are reasons I love this pack. That and they were literally built to survive a war zone, so I doubt you will find anything in the woods that will hurt this pack.
There are many upgrades available, get a Tactical Tailor hip belt and straps it will make a world of difference. There's also the American made Malice pack frames which are compatible.
i have 2 large alice packs . they work great for me and i carry about 30 pounds give or take. i have found that if you get the later edition shoulder straps(the longer camo ones) and also use a sternum strap. this pack carries much , much better. also i have put straps that go around the pack (from left to right)and attached to both sides of the frame. you can sinch the pack and load closer to the frame and your back. mind you this works for me really well and i am 6 foot 3 in tall and about 215 pounds and i have been in a very bad car accident with spinal injuries. but i will not let that stop me from getting out and enjoying life and the outdoors. the straps i use are the ones made by coligans (sorry if i misspelled) . i hope this can help others these are great packs. also i have an ILBE 2ND GENERATION. that one feels better to carry but i do have to manage the load better. stay safe out there people , have fun and again i hope this may help some of you out there
I hike with a hellcat modified medium Alice and it is heavy but comfortable. Basically I replaced the straps and waist belt with molle 2 belt and shoulder straps.
Neighbor had a garage sale and he offered me one of these. I believe its a medium. Never used it till this summer to get my gear down a mile hike through soft sand to the beach. Have to say it was a game changer. I carry only 25-30lbs up and down in it. The belt makes the difference. I put the blanket folded between the rail and my back. I had no clue that map pocket was there. Thanks for that.
Good review, but I would recommend updating the video after someone shows you how to actually set the pack and frame up the way we used to. This was the first ruck I got issued in the late 90s and the first thing my team leader had us do was to strip it down and reconfigure the straps and webbing to get the pack closer to the back and the load higher. We also added an improvised sternum strap. I agree with other comments recommending to upgrade the shoulder straps. That was a huge comfort boost. Luke- I think your audience is big enough where you could probably solicit actual veterans to help you with these reviews to show and demonstrate how Soldiers actually put equipment into use. Sort of like end user tips and tricks.
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John B how about just having him face both shoulder straps in right direction?
Luke, you excel as a reviewer. I own 2 Large Alice and 5 Medium Alice backpacks, but I favor the larger size. The great thing about these packs is the ability to be highly creative in configuring them. Consequently, I will have to part ways with a few of the medium Alice backpacks as I have an excess which I don't need. :-)
During my time in the USMC that is all we had. Later on I purchased and used all kinds of Rucks including the newer ILBE. I just went back to the Green Monsters, you just can not beat them. By the way I kept the ILBE Infantry Patrol or Day Pack. I hate using the Assault Pack moniker to me its stupid. Its a Day or Patrol Pack to me. Anyway, I own both the Medium and the Large. The Medium I"am modifying for use in hunting, camping and such, I"am building an internal frame board for it and added pads to its back where the old frame use to go, it works well for my needs. The Large I found through the use of Fastex buckles I can attach a small day pack with a water bladder inside, it doesn't pull back on me at all. I did put Fastex buckles on both my packs but left on the metal hardware they came with. Plastic sometimes breaks. Why not have both?" Later and great vid.
I have two of the Large packs. I put Molle straps and belts on them and I absolutely LOVE these things. I do agree about your critique of the straps, and I think I will try the stitching suggestion on at least one of the packs and see how it goes. Great video. Thanks.
I have one, I’m putting a VHF/UHF antenna back on it. Being able to communicate with my group would be nice. We are all ham radio operators. Have to wait until my shattered ankles heal. Back under the knife next week. I’ll be living vicariously through you for now. Keep the videos coming. Thanks All the best from Spokane WA. Dave
I have a medium ALICE pack on a frame that I used as a day pack for many years. It was worn out when a friend gave it to me, but it never seemed to get any more worn out, no matter how much abuse it got from me. The pack and frame were perfect for day hikes with the kids, but no matter what I tried, the shoulder straps were never very comfortable. Thinking about it brings back lots of good memories.
Would enjoy you comparing a 'stock' large Alice Pack to a fully tricked out/modified Alice Pack (i.e.; new improved shoulder pads w/chest strap, new improved belt/back pads, quick release buckles, etc.). I think you just might change your mind about which would be best for a heavier or even a light load! Thanks for this review, I enjoyed it!!!
i have the same pack. It is my shtf pack. In Feb we went on an adventure. I hiked 10mi with a 68lb loadout. didnt do too bad. 5mi, lunch, and 5 mi back. back wasnt too sore. just have to pack it while thinking of balance. I am 6ft 390lbs. I purchased mine for $25 at the army surplus store
I still have my original issued medium Alice pack (1983) I use it mainly as a day pack but I still like it. I agree with you on the straps. A lot of people are modifying the straps by adding fast tech buckles.
PS~ That is definetly a KIDNEY pad and not a WAIST pad. If you place it higher onto your kidney area with the shortened shoulder straps, it'll ride like a dream no matter what the weight. And go and find the thicker ALICE shoulder straps. They came in woodland camo and were twice as thick as those OD green ones in your video.
Had a medium pack and sold it to a buddy.So sorry I did but he said he would sell it back.I now have a ilbe gen. 1,witch is huge.Loved the Alice pack,with the shelf you can carry a ton.I had two old web lawn chairs,a 36 qt. cooler and a small fold up table on it and it carried like a dream.Just a great pack and very expandable with small pouches.
Agreed. Works excellent with not heavy loads. It is an easy gear access due to lack of several compartments. I have modified the ALICE pack with better shoulders and kidneys pads. You could also add a aluminum support that is attached to the lower back of frame to carry like a bedroll. Great review.
I added the Hellcat mod to my shoulder strap and waist belt. made a huge improvement for heavy loads. also added quick release buckles to the main outside straps and a paracord carry handle to the top of my frame.
I remember it well. Our sleeping bag took up most of the space in the pack. I don't know why they didn't issue compression sacks. I didnt know better in those days. If I had I would have bought one myself just to save time rolling it up and trying to stuff it in the ruck sack. I really hope they've improved a lot since the 90's.
Was in the USMC 6 years, this is my all time favored pack... and I worked at REI. It's meant to be a low pack so that you can lift your head up to see where you are going while bent over. Comes handy when in patrol, combat, or hunting... I did all three and I wont use any other pack but the ALICE unless I didn't have one.
Carried the medium w/o frame in Vietnam with the United States Marines (F 2/9) 1966-67. Can't remember how much it weighed by it was quite heavy.. mostly ammo and C-rats., extra socks, several d-rings. C-4, and anything else you could get to help you stay alive and live somewhat comfortable. Oh yeah poncho and liner, cordage of some sort, pop-up flares. I got one today but not the one I had in the USMC. Had to leave it in-country for the next Marine. I guess you can say your whole life at that time was in your Alice Pack. Love it.
I have this pack and love it! I prefer it over the newer more complicated Army military ones because those seem to come apart at the emergency release strap, while the Alice pack never comes undone! Yea, it might nor be as high up but the wide sides make it easier and faster to pack in my opinion. They definitely can take a beating too!
not many pack were you can remove your pack and use the frame and lashings to transpo fire wood, water, game, etc. 30rnd 556 mags fit in the 3 top pockets. use the three other lower pockets for FWM. food-water-medical.
I used that pack in the active Army infantry. I was carrying so much weight, the frame bent inward and I had to keep popping it back out. It rubbed my back most of the way through a 25 mile road march and gave me a couple of scars. I used that pack for about 8 years in the Army infantry.
It is possible to replace the fram with a D.E.I. #1606 frame. You can buy this frame for $45 anywhere, including D.E.I.'s own site. Also, with the new frame you can attach the shoulder straps and kidney belt from the MOLLE II Rifleman Rucksack or Large Mountain Ruck (new version).
I was issued the medium ALICE pack w/o the frame and still have it and I was in the army 80 - 84. It still serves me well but I've always wanted a large with frame.
I still have my large ALICE pack. I have owned it for almost 30 years. It did things to my back and it is still the only pack I carry. I am 50 years old with paratrooper hips, knees and I am now considered a heavy drop (fat). This past Thanksgiving I hiked the Grand Canyon and heard people telling me how great their $500 pack is... My trusty pack did everything theirs did.
Ive jumped mine with 85 pounds, 12 mile rucks, and many field events and it is a great ruck even with heavy loads way more comfortable then the molle garbage! Wish CIF still issued Alice packs.
Pro tip: you can fit a jerry can (with the top part partially cut open) inside to prevent your gears/clothes from getting wet, even during insane torrential downpour
I sewed compression straps on to either side top and bottom of my large ALICE, I seldom load it to the hilt so the straps help keep the load secure and close to my back and I don't feel like I'm carrying a dirty diaper on my back, I love the ALICE PACK.
Great vid as always Luke. Thank you. Would love to see you do a vid on a MALICE type ALICE conversion. Those do away with the problems you mentioned here about the shoulder pads (replaced with MOLLE II shoulder strap system) and the 2 cinch straps (that are cut at the bottom, a small portion removed, and replaced with plastic fastex-type buckles).
As a Marine machine gunner I not only humped my junk in an ALICE but also had several boxes of ammo and often the spare barrel bag and gloves in/on there. Your straps need to be all the way up to the frame at the top and never hesitate to use a ground pad above the lumbar pad to distribute the weight up on your back. I've been out almost 30 years and still have my ALICE and 782 gear. Use it regularly.
For several years I carried a SINCGARS and 4 Li-ion batteries. That alone is about 20 lbs. Add 1 BDU Top and Bottoms, 6 Under shirts, 6 Socks, 14Qt of water (29lbs). 2 broken down MREs per day (typically 8) and it became heavy fast. Plus poncho, liner, yeti, 2 clamores, and antenna for either AM or SATCOM. The joy of a LRS Team Jr. RTO. All together ruck alone typically 88lbs we always either cut the waist belt off or taped it down in back assuming you don't need a cargo shelf when retrieving resupplyof food water and batteries. Batteries and water usually required a poncho with some 550 and a snap link. MREs. Usually dropped on a water proof bag not broken down so now you have lots of trash to carry. Fortunately the more water you drank, the lighter your load. And since it was just a few ckicks away from infil site not too bad.
I’ve had the same large alive pack since basic in 85. I bought used gear at a surplus store na d replaced my basic gear for turnin so I could keep most of my basic issue. O wrapped the shoulder and kidney pads wit 100 mph tape and it’s so comfortable. I’ve carried up to 120 lbs init during the gulf war
It is a simple and common modification to add fastex buckles to the main cinch straps. Makes it much easier to gain access to the pack. I carried one for years and miss it. I just don't seam to be able to fit near as much stuff in a 90L Eagle Creek pack as I did in my old Alice pack. One thing that will happen when you cram that bag full is the frame will bent. You can tell an Alice frame is well used when it's shaped more like an S.
My friend, USMC- retired gave me a medium Alice with frame 10 years ago and I've used that thing for everything, Still have it. I did buy a Large Alice on Ebay, basic repairs to fix it, mounted to a modern FILBE frame and using Molle ii shoulder pads and waste belt (for now) and it does help make larger loads more manageable. The main reason I choose to use the large over Medium honestly deals with the pocket layout and size, living in an area where the weather can switch from one extreme to another, having clothes/shelter to change to the conditions is a must. The larger front pocket perfectly stores my entire cook kit in a dry bag, my other quick grab stuff hangs out in the other two pockets. Medium rides with me daily, its with me all the time, large is for when I plan leave and never come home if that should come to be
Humped with one for 3 yrs. Was climbing up a steep bank and tried to jump across a trench that was dug during the Korean War and ended up doing a back flip into the trench. I was fully loaded down with the M-60 machine gun and had the spare barrel and tripod as well. Assistance gunner had to be medivaced do to blisters and heat exhaustion. I loved the pac due to the outside pouches being readily handy for quick access for rain gear, and other things that were handy to have for quick access. We had what we called spegitte straps, which held our sleeping bag in a waterproof bag under the bottom and a waterproof bag inside, especially during moonsoon season
I notice that you don't have the waist strap on the pack and that is what I always used with the one the Air Force issued to me. When I looked for one after I retired I looked at the area exchange where they had the Sandpiper of California (S.O.C.) brand and they was like the ones issued to the troops and I purchased one and it is well built and what I was looking for at a reasonable price. The pack can take a bladder, but I didn't want to put one in it, but instead use two canteens with it. I loved the one issued to me and took real good care of it and returned it in the same condition it was issued to me.
I have the alice pack from the 70's but changed out my straps and kidney belt with the molle straps and kidney belt, more comfortable..........great review
Just bought one a few months ago, still tweaking my load out on it but loving it. At first I thought it was going to displace the weight wrong as it fills outward so much but getting it worked out. Went out with 50lbs last time carried fine
i have two medium alice packs. one is on a frame. one of them is an Lc-1 and the other an Lc-2. i prefer the Lc-1 because the buckles are spring loaded. that is the vietnam style alice pack. i got medium packs because i don't think i could carry 70 pounds of anything. all 3 of the outside pockets have the tunnel slot behind them. if you ever need the pack stitched you can take it to a shoe repair shop. they have the machinery to stitch those heavy pieces .
I took the medium Alice with a frame on a three day hike along the AT in New York and Connecticut. It did a good job and was fairly comfortable, although I used brand new shoulder straps. I haven't hkiked much with my large Alice yet.
I use a modified Medium for trips of up to three days. I have loaded that sucker up to 60 pounds without a problem. (You just have to be creative in how you load it.) Some Hints. Replace the Straps with the Molle Straps. It's well worth it. Add the L Shaped Shelf on the Bottom of the Frame and strap an Ammo Can to it. (I have a Plastic one from Harbor Freight.) Use Compressions Bags and learn to stack them in the Pack. Add Drop Bags to the Waist Belt. Being in Florida I go through a lot of Water. So I put a 3 Liter Water Bladder in the Radio Bag and strap another 3 Liter Bladder to the top of the Pack. (I can refill both of these with a Life Straw which is carried in the outside right Pouch along with my Fire Kit.) This Pack is great if used correctly. Ed
You forgot to put an E-Tool w/ cover (Entrenchment Tool) on the lower right side, and a 2 qt canteen (also with cover) on the lower left side (so the top of the canteen, where you drink water from, faces away from the wearer), Luke. Lol ! Good Ol' Reliable. As a Navy and Army Veteran, I have used a Large ALICE rucksack on numerous occasions. I miss that thing, and need to get another to let my son experience "The Tick". That way he will appreciate his lighter packs in the future. Thank you for putting out some really great videos, Brother ! Keep up the great work !!!
I have two medium and two large ALICE packs, all are set up as originally issued with no mods. Love this system, none of mine have ever let me down. If you load these packs properly with the correct weight distribution and strap/belt settings they are comfortable and easy to carry.
I always humped a medium ALICE with a max load around 60 pounds with MREs water and an E-tool. Never had to use the Large, but when we switched over to the humungous MOLLE II pack we suddenly had a load over 100 pounds..... I still have a Med. ALICE for personal use and I love it.
My favorite addition to this pack was the fastex field expedient repair buckles. Cut the stitching for the rolled Edge on the ends of the long straps then unfeed straps from the stock buckles on the bottom of the bag. Connect the fastex Buckle split end on the loops that contain the stock buckles on the bottom of the bag then feed your straps through. Now you have a quick detach for your long straps that hold the lid down. I even left the original buckles on in case I broke a plastic Buckle so I would have a backup. It's a nice addition and you do not have to modify the bag. And the big plus is that it only cost about $2.
That's so true! If its light it's great if it's heavy, those shoulder straps suck! But I've had mine for about 22 years with no signs of rot and it is my main pack for everything.
Going with Geraldo Maria's suggestion! Alice vs. Molle II. Also, if it all possible, I would like to know if upgrading the shoulder straps to the Molle II, kidney pad to Molle II, and adding the MSS carrier (Hellcat MOD) makes it all that much better. I have seen plenty of videos of people making all of these upgrades, but no videos of anyone actually using them. Truth be told, I have the Molle II rucksack which I paid 168$ for brand spanking new. I also have Large Alice which I paid closer to 200$ for after making all the upgrades for it to convert it into a Hellcat. I haven't had the chance yet to test any of them myself, so I would be really curious to get your input :)
Molle II is not an upgrade. There were/are several variants of straps for the ALICE. There is a set that is padded all the way down to the quick release buckle. Problem with Molle II, is the straps are set wider to accommodate the wearing of body armor. So instead of riding of your traps and hugging the upper ribs (almost l like wearing a vest) the Molle II tends to sit on the front of your deltoid head with no hug on the ribs, this creates stand off from your upper back and puts increased strain on your lower.
Compartmentalizing with dry-bags is one very good way to distribute the weight (this is the system I like to use most) but there is another little trick I learned from another "outdoorsman"; A small plastic, rectangular shaped, 20-25 gal trash can will fit just right inside the pack to help easily distribute the weight making it a "semi-hard shell".
I was a 60 gunner. My load out was about 125lbs. with the large alice. I love both the med and large, and was just going through both today getting ready for National FTX in Sept. Decided I'll hump the LG alice, but it ain't gonna weigh no 125lbs lol.
This is the toughest pack ever made by the US Military. My pack have been in the harsh winters of Europe and the States, the jungles of Panama, red clay of Schofield Barracks Hawaii, and the deserts of Ft. Irwin CA. I also have jumped with it on Airborne operations. These packs are awesome.
I hate that red clay
You ain’t wrong brother... I took mine all over the world, never had an issue... NTC 6 times, Germany & Desert Storm... I’ve still got one and I’m near 60 years old...
I did about 18 years in SF and the large AlICE was the issue TA-50. Loaded and jumped with it in the 90 to 100 pound loading based on the mission. I have both medium and large versions with frames but one large now rides on a Coleman Ram-X frame retro fitted with MOLLE carrying shoulder straps and waist belt. The secret to making it ride correctly on the issue frame is how you load your gear. At one point some internal frame packs were issued to regular teams but the HALO teams got both the ALICE and the internal frame, given the option the ALICE the one was jumped in and carried. I am a diehard external frame fan, internal frame packs do not make the grade with me. As an aside the ancient and venerable Trapper Nelson (made and sold from the 1920s until the 1970s) is an external frame as was my old Bergen mountain rucksack. For a day pack a pistol belt, H harness belt suspender straps and a butt pack will suffice. Military surplus gear is durable, tough and your best bang for the buck.
Hunt SGM (Retd)
On point “Big Sarge”... welcome home brother
Tha ALICE pack is to the rucksack world as the AK47 is to the rifle world.
haha, love that comparison! Neither ALICE nor AK47 are necessarily the most elegant things to carry around- but both will *always* get the job done and last you decades at minimum!
@@AudiowaveTV unless the AKlices frame breaks ;--)
That is...rather accurate,
not the best quality, but always looks bad ass
Gregory Warmoth
Had an ALICE
Bought commercial
Blew it out
Went back to ALICE
bought another commercial
Broke/returned under warranty
Replaced
Broke.
Returned
Hello ALICE
That started 31 years ago.
I don’t hike like I used to.
Loading is critical.
Found a large alice pack with the frame at an estate sale yesterday for $10. It's in perfect shape, practically new!
As you put more in the load does not have to go out: You use the two closing straps to cinch the load to the frame, just move it around and tighten it down with the straps and you can put the load anywhere you want. You left out that the straps are twice as long as they need to be so you can secure another huge bag to the top of the pack, and they also can be used to wrap and fold the whole bag in on itself when packing a light load. I'll agree it is not the most comfortable bag, but if you really man-handle the straps and get everything tight and where you want it it's not that bad.
This pack is INDESTRUCTIBLE. I've had the same one for over 20 years. I have thrown it over fences, off of moving trains, and down cliffs. The only thing that ever broke on it was the rivets that hold the frame together and the aluminum drain grommets on the bottom eventually came out. - But that's after 20 years of serious abuse.
I spent years in the a
Army and not once did the Alice fail me. My daughter's I'm and wife all have Alice bug out bags and Ms. Alice won't let us down.
Alice medium with frame, durable, comfortable and roomy. . . with 38 lbs. . . 25 miles coastal hike over 4 days. . . 3 adults with 20 Scouts. . . loved it!
A few years ago I bought my best friend an alice pack with a frame when he went into the peace corps. He thought the frame was a small chair, and didn't like the backpack and ended up replacing it with a jansport... looking back I wonder if I ever really knew the guy I was so disappointed when he told me months later that he couldn't figure it out and didn't even care to research it, just a constant source of heartbreak for me as a friend, mentor, and gearhead.
Gotta admit that's kind of a funny story though.
Luke, you've got that thing strapped all wrong. I humped the Large in the infantry for the 60mm mortar. I carried 120# of my gear, spare mortar rounds and the full sized base plate for the 101st Airborne.
take the shoulder straps and crank them all the way down till the metal binder is touching the top of the ruck. I our case, we took the waist belt, shortened it and buckled it BEHIND the frame and out of the way. You pop the quik-releases BEFORE the waist belt... 120# took you out from behind the knees. Seen it happen. with more weight, that thing isn't going anywhere and you don't need the waist belt. Plus, the heavier the item, the higher it went in the ruck.
Thanks for doing this and all your videos.
PS~ very jealous of Moose. :-D
Rakkasan!
I ffkkng hate the ALICE pack... i love my Mystery Ranch pack that i bought it myself! Also, ffkkng hate the Half Shelter too man.. cotton tent, stupid as ffkk and heavy. 0861 if u are wondering.
Commented before I read your reply. Could've saved some typing!
Travis nailed it. That is exactly how it was done in the USMC as well. Fantastic ruck. I humped the same one for seven years and still own it.
Obviously this guys never served with 3 rock 96-99 and 1-327th 2006-2013, we had assault packs and the ruck is jumpable.
My father was issued this when he was in the army. He has since started using more better camping/ hiking bags so he passed this down to me. He carried this in Germany for a long time. (He served 1998-2003) but since Iv had it, it has been loyal to me. Out of every pack Iv ever owned including for school this pack has just been loyal to me, and iv never had an issue with it. It has survived winters in the Rocky mountains, summers in South American jungle, and overall travel. Love this pack, roughest bag the us ever made
Hi greetings from Germany and sorry for my bad english. I'm as old as the alice pack and I have both the medium and the large one which originally was for cold weather and expeditions. I also have the manual. When I was young backpacks with external frames are standart. I like them because the air circulate between your back and you don't sweat this much. I use this pack in winter because winter clothing is very bulky but not heavy and in summer to carry my rubberboat with this pack. I carry weigths as much as 45 kilograms, I don't know how much lbs this are but when you carry this amount of stuff you need as you say chinch it tho the frame. I do this with the cargo starps, one throug the lashes of the side pockets (you can use the strap of the 2 qt canteen) and the other with the cargo straps mentioned in the manual in the middle through the lashes on the side or you use the strap of the first aid bag I don't know the really name of this bag but it's not the individual first aid kit this has only alice clips and no strap. I like the alice packs very well and I would like to see them compared with the Berghaus Atlas 2 if you have the chance to get one. I own this one, too but it has internal frame and has small opening lid if you need this for clothes it is ok but bulky stuff fits better in the large alice pack. Nice Video and the idea to open up the stitching of the little pockets is something I need to thinkink about but on the other hand I don't want to destroy ;-) my alice pack. I don't either like the so called modifications on straps or whatever. This pack is nearly 50 years old and was made to last forever with or without modifikations. Best pack in the world. Good video I hope we wil see more in future.
Your English is fine, no need to be sorry.
A good report on a versatile pack, the 3 small pockets were designed to hold 2 x 30 round M16(the aluminium ones) each, if you did not know. How did you carry your rubber inflatable canoe/kayak?
M16 magazines, oops!
One thing many may not know about the ALICE pack system is its versatility. Perhaps for preppers, bug outs situations, etc.... this pack gives more uses then just a backpack/ruck. The frame and pack can be easily separated. The frame and straps in conjunction with an issued ALICE pack shelf could be used for heavier loads. "Cargo Straps" were issued also for this use. The shelf clips neatly to the bottom of the frame. It allowed for heavy items like 5 gal fuel/water cans, ammo cans stacked 3 high, or radios to be transported with weight centering more on the hip or "kidney" belt.
That set up could be handy if gathering wood or materials, water, or boxes of supplies from town! (Ok a little old thinking- but you get it)
I've seen some modern bug out Alice packs with the "map pocket" in the cover used for a hydration bladder.
Experiment with this setup!!!
I ffkkng hate the ALICE pack... i love my Mystery Ranch pack that i bought it myself! Also, ffkkng hate the Half Shelter too man.. cotton tent, stupid as ffkk and heavy. 0861 if u are wondering.
When I joined the Army in '99 I got my first taste of a Alice pack, with 80 plus pounds in it lol. Vets that have road marched, are not scared to go hiking with weight.
Been there, done that, got the scars.
Thanks for a thorough review and thanks for getting straight to the point........unlike most UA-camrs who feel obligated to inform the world of their breakfast menu choices and how they are feeeeeeling. Thanks brother.
My friends and I have assembled several Alice "medium" packs for $50 or less, using "new/unissued" packs, frames, L.C.1 or L.C.2 shoulder straps and MOLLE II waist belt. We use only the "medium" Alice pack for exactly the reasons you stated about load profile and balance. Love your channel!
Thanks for showing the complete pack in an educational way.
As a young Marine back in 1988, the ALICE pack was the only option. Still have one as my bug put bag. Always reliable.
We used a pack very similar to this made by Tactical Tailor in Air Force Special Warfare. The main differences being that there are clip buckles on all of the compartments, including the main, which made things much easier on us in a time sensitive situation.
I just received a large ALICE pack in new condition, I enjoyed you video. Looking forward to seeing more videos on military equipment.
I have this pack and like it a lot. I bought an inner compression bag like you suggested and it helps quite a bit. Makes a big difference when the load isn't riding so low and wide.
In warm weather the frame creates a gap between the pack and my back allowing for air flow. A nice feature.
Really love the large Alice pack, I put all my catfishing gear such as weights, rod holders, bait, clips, etc. Plus I also pack a small stove, coffee/cooking pot, utensils and spices and snacks. Carries everything I need to be out all day and night in one trip. Best bag I've ever owned.
ALICE is THE standard. It makes a great foraging pack. There is an attachable SHELF that fits to the frame, and is great for hauling large, bulky, and heavy items like water cans, tool boxes, firewood, etc. ALICE is the preferred pack for Train Hoppers, because it’s so durable and adaptable. Thanks.
you could do a video on improving the alice pack: fastex buckles, 1606 ac frame, molle ii kidney belt and shoulder straps, mss molle ii carrier, compression straps, etc...
I love this pack. This is the first pack I had when i started hiking on the A.T. over 5 years ago. Since then I tried out different packs, and now I'm using a Osprey Exos 58, heck of a lot lighter, but I will always love the ALICE pack, it's one of the toughest packs I've ever baught. Take Care brother. Strength And Honor. Be Well!
I used this at Ft. Riley back in 1988. Overall, I liked it but it is definitely not waterproof. We used the waterproof rubber lined bags to keep clothes in and then placed them inside the main compartment. Yes, when filled to capacity, it is awkward to hump. Just as you stated, the weight is too far rearward. I bought 2 of these at the base store brand new along with water bottles, a US military compass, load bearing equipment (ammo mag carriers) and an entrenching tool. All brand new. The packs were only $30.00 a piece! I never ever used the stuff LOL! We all have dreams of camping...in my case life got in the way, family, work etc. But getting close to retirement I am finally making plans. If nothing else, this equipment reminds me of my happy days in the army.
Good video, Luke. I suggest Inserting a 3 mil contractor's plastic in the inner compartment to keep all other items packed inside dry. It is very lightweight and could be used for multiple purposes in the campsite. Keep up the good videos. I'm a dedicated fan.
Love the ALICE; its always been my main camping/hiking pack. I can use a medium pack for a 3 night camp out if I'm partnered with someone else without using a frame (one person shelter, the other food). The large ALICE pack can be real comfortable, if packed well or a painful nightmare if not. Those long straps are great for a sleeping bag. In a long term base camp situation, I like to carry the add on shelf to carry firewood. The pass-through pockets as well as those ALICE attachments are great for carrying extra gear as long as you plan out the load.
I have 1 large and 3 medium packs and I have modified mine with molle 2 shoulder straps and waist belt. That makes world of difference in the way they carry. The load lifter adjustments on the molle straps can pull the top of the pace closer and mitigate that feeling of pulling you backwards.
I have this pack myself!!! I was able to get this thing, in the Large size with the aluminum frame for about 70 bucks from my local Army navy surplus store. I personally love it for the versatility. My favorite part is actually the side MOLLE patches, that I ran some 550 cord through to strap stuff too. Also, the straps on the top is what I use to use to carry my tent before I went to a hammock, and I put straps on the bottom to carry a Sleeping bag, which I don't need anymore. But these are reasons I love this pack. That and they were literally built to survive a war zone, so I doubt you will find anything in the woods that will hurt this pack.
There are many upgrades available, get a Tactical Tailor hip belt and straps it will make a world of difference. There's also the American made Malice pack frames which are compatible.
i have 2 large alice packs . they work great for me and i carry about 30 pounds give or take. i have found that if you get the later edition shoulder straps(the longer camo ones) and also use a sternum strap. this pack carries much , much better. also i have put straps that go around the pack (from left to right)and attached to both sides of the frame. you can sinch the pack and load closer to the frame and your back. mind you this works for me really well and i am 6 foot 3 in tall and about 215 pounds and i have been in a very bad car accident with spinal injuries. but i will not let that stop me from getting out and enjoying life and the outdoors. the straps i use are the ones made by coligans (sorry if i misspelled) . i hope this can help others these are great packs. also i have an ILBE 2ND GENERATION. that one feels better to carry but i do have to manage the load better. stay safe out there people , have fun and again i hope this may help some of you out there
"... given to me by my uncle who -was- *is* a marine."
I hike with a hellcat modified medium Alice and it is heavy but comfortable. Basically I replaced the straps and waist belt with molle 2 belt and shoulder straps.
I have 2 alice packs, one med, one large. I used one in the Marines and loved it. Hard to beat as far as all around pack
Hey I never knew the flap had a Velcro slit! Thanks a lot. I had this bag for years
For mess kits, ext.
Neighbor had a garage sale and he offered me one of these. I believe its a medium. Never used it till this summer to get my gear down a mile hike through soft sand to the beach. Have to say it was a game changer. I carry only 25-30lbs up and down in it. The belt makes the difference. I put the blanket folded between the rail and my back. I had no clue that map pocket was there. Thanks for that.
Good review, but I would recommend updating the video after someone shows you how to actually set the pack and frame up the way we used to. This was the first ruck I got issued in the late 90s and the first thing my team leader had us do was to strip it down and reconfigure the straps and webbing to get the pack closer to the back and the load higher. We also added an improvised sternum strap. I agree with other comments recommending to upgrade the shoulder straps. That was a huge comfort boost.
Luke- I think your audience is big enough where you could probably solicit actual veterans to help you with these reviews to show and demonstrate how Soldiers actually put equipment into use. Sort of like end user tips and tricks.
John B how about just having him face both shoulder straps in right direction?
I did such a video 👍
Just got a brand new one of these at a flee market in PA. Payed 20 bucks buddy! Used in for one two day hike. Love it. Best 20 bucks I've spent ever.
Luke, you excel as a reviewer. I own 2 Large Alice and 5 Medium Alice backpacks, but I favor the larger size. The great thing about these packs is the ability to be highly creative in configuring them. Consequently, I will have to part ways with a few of the medium Alice backpacks as I have an excess which I don't need. :-)
Just got a large a week ago, got it for $50 and there was a woodland woobie and flecktran poncho!! What a great deal!
During my time in the USMC that is all we had. Later on I purchased and used all kinds of Rucks including the newer ILBE. I just went back to the Green Monsters, you just can not beat them. By the way I kept the ILBE Infantry Patrol or Day Pack. I hate using the Assault Pack moniker to me its stupid. Its a Day or Patrol Pack to me. Anyway, I own both the Medium and the Large.
The Medium I"am modifying for use in hunting, camping and such, I"am building an internal frame board for it and added pads to its back where the old frame use to go, it works well for my needs.
The Large I found through the use of Fastex buckles I can attach a small day pack with a water bladder inside, it doesn't pull back on me at all.
I did put Fastex buckles on both my packs but left on the metal hardware they came with. Plastic sometimes breaks. Why not have both?" Later and great vid.
I have two of the Large packs. I put Molle straps and belts on them and I absolutely LOVE these things. I do agree about your critique of the straps, and I think I will try the stitching suggestion on at least one of the packs and see how it goes. Great video. Thanks.
I like the review and you told a mouth full, enough to convince me for what I believe I need that for.
I have one, I’m putting a VHF/UHF antenna back on it. Being able to communicate with my group would be nice. We are all ham radio operators. Have to wait until my shattered ankles heal. Back under the knife next week.
I’ll be living vicariously through you for now. Keep the videos coming.
Thanks
All the best from Spokane WA.
Dave
I have a medium ALICE pack on a frame that I used as a day pack for many years. It was worn out when a friend gave it to me, but it never seemed to get any more worn out, no matter how much abuse it got from me. The pack and frame were perfect for day hikes with the kids, but no matter what I tried, the shoulder straps were never very comfortable. Thinking about it brings back lots of good memories.
Would enjoy you comparing a 'stock' large Alice Pack to a fully tricked out/modified Alice Pack (i.e.; new improved shoulder pads w/chest strap, new improved belt/back pads, quick release buckles, etc.). I think you just might change your mind about which would be best for a heavier or even a light load! Thanks for this review, I enjoyed it!!!
i have the same pack. It is my shtf pack. In Feb we went on an adventure. I hiked 10mi with a 68lb loadout. didnt do too bad. 5mi, lunch, and 5 mi back. back wasnt too sore. just have to pack it while thinking of balance. I am 6ft 390lbs. I purchased mine for $25 at the army surplus store
I still have my original issued medium Alice pack (1983) I use it mainly as a day pack but I still like it. I agree with you on the straps. A lot of people are modifying the straps by adding fast tech buckles.
PS~ That is definetly a KIDNEY pad and not a WAIST pad. If you place it higher onto your kidney area with the shortened shoulder straps, it'll ride like a dream no matter what the weight. And go and find the thicker ALICE shoulder straps. They came in woodland camo and were twice as thick as those OD green ones in your video.
Had a medium pack and sold it to a buddy.So sorry I did but he said he would sell it back.I now have a ilbe gen. 1,witch is huge.Loved the Alice pack,with the shelf you can carry a ton.I had two old web lawn chairs,a 36 qt. cooler and a small fold up table on it and it carried like a dream.Just a great pack and very expandable with small pouches.
Agreed. Works excellent with not heavy loads. It is an easy gear access due to lack of several compartments. I have modified the ALICE pack with better shoulders and kidneys pads. You could also add a aluminum support that is attached to the lower back of frame to carry like a bedroll. Great review.
I added the Hellcat mod to my shoulder strap and waist belt. made a huge improvement for heavy loads. also added quick release buckles to the main outside straps and a paracord carry handle to the top of my frame.
I remember it well. Our sleeping bag took up most of the space in the pack. I don't know why they didn't issue compression sacks. I didnt know better in those days. If I had I would have bought one myself just to save time rolling it up and trying to stuff it in the ruck sack. I really hope they've improved a lot since the 90's.
Was in the USMC 6 years, this is my all time favored pack... and I worked at REI.
It's meant to be a low pack so that you can lift your head up to see where you are going while bent over. Comes handy when in patrol, combat, or hunting... I did all three and I wont use any other pack but the ALICE unless I didn't have one.
Carried the medium w/o frame in Vietnam with the United States Marines (F 2/9) 1966-67. Can't remember how much it weighed by it was quite heavy.. mostly ammo and C-rats., extra socks, several d-rings. C-4, and anything else you could get to help you stay alive and live somewhat comfortable. Oh yeah poncho and liner, cordage of some sort, pop-up flares. I got one today but not the one I had in the USMC. Had to leave it in-country for the next Marine. I guess you can say your whole life at that time was in your Alice Pack. Love it.
Much respect for the Corsica. My family drove one in the late 90's and it had a sick red cloth interior.
I have this pack and love it! I prefer it over the newer more complicated Army military ones because those seem to come apart at the emergency release strap, while the Alice pack never comes undone! Yea, it might nor be as high up but the wide sides make it easier and faster to pack in my opinion. They definitely can take a beating too!
not many pack were you can remove your pack and use the frame and lashings to transpo fire wood, water, game, etc. 30rnd 556 mags fit in the 3 top pockets. use the three other lower pockets for FWM. food-water-medical.
I used that pack in the active Army infantry. I was carrying so much weight, the frame bent inward and I had to keep popping it back out. It rubbed my back most of the way through a 25 mile road march and gave me a couple of scars. I used that pack for about 8 years in the Army infantry.
It is possible to replace the fram with a D.E.I. #1606 frame. You can buy this frame for $45 anywhere, including D.E.I.'s own site. Also, with the new frame you can attach the shoulder straps and kidney belt from the MOLLE II Rifleman Rucksack or Large Mountain Ruck (new version).
thanks again for your review I appreciate you for sharing your thoughts and experience with this pack until next time my friend
I was issued the medium ALICE pack w/o the frame and still have it and I was in the army 80 - 84. It still serves me well but I've always wanted a large with frame.
I still have my large ALICE pack. I have owned it for almost 30 years. It did things to my back and it is still the only pack I carry.
I am 50 years old with paratrooper hips, knees and I am now considered a heavy drop (fat). This past Thanksgiving I hiked the Grand Canyon and heard people telling me how great their $500 pack is... My trusty pack did everything theirs did.
Ken Follett I hear ya. I’ve had mine for about 18 years now, bought my own when I first joined the Army. Airborne all the way !
Ive jumped mine with 85 pounds, 12 mile rucks, and many field events and it is a great ruck even with heavy loads way more comfortable then the molle garbage! Wish CIF still issued Alice packs.
Pro tip: you can fit a jerry can (with the top part partially cut open) inside to prevent your gears/clothes from getting wet, even during insane torrential downpour
I sewed compression straps on to either side top and bottom of my large ALICE, I seldom load it to the hilt so the straps help keep the load secure and close to my back and I don't feel like I'm carrying a dirty diaper on my back, I love the ALICE PACK.
Pete McPherson I would like to see how you did the compression straps? Laurie
Great vid as always Luke. Thank you. Would love to see you do a vid on a MALICE type ALICE conversion. Those do away with the problems you mentioned here about the shoulder pads (replaced with MOLLE II shoulder strap system) and the 2 cinch straps (that are cut at the bottom, a small portion removed, and replaced with plastic fastex-type buckles).
As a Marine machine gunner I not only humped my junk in an ALICE but also had several boxes of ammo and often the spare barrel bag and gloves in/on there.
Your straps need to be all the way up to the frame at the top and never hesitate to use a ground pad above the lumbar pad to distribute the weight up on your back.
I've been out almost 30 years and still have my ALICE and 782 gear. Use it regularly.
An absolutely enjoyable presentation! Thank you!
Please do a review for the medium size!
Just ordered one on ebay can’t wait to start rucking!
For several years I carried a SINCGARS and 4 Li-ion batteries. That alone is about 20 lbs. Add 1 BDU Top and Bottoms, 6 Under shirts, 6 Socks, 14Qt of water (29lbs). 2 broken down MREs per day (typically 8) and it became heavy fast. Plus poncho, liner, yeti, 2 clamores, and antenna for either AM or SATCOM. The joy of a LRS Team Jr. RTO. All together ruck alone typically 88lbs we always either cut the waist belt off or taped it down in back assuming you don't need a cargo shelf when retrieving resupplyof food water and batteries. Batteries and water usually required a poncho with some 550 and a snap link. MREs. Usually dropped on a water proof bag not broken down so now you have lots of trash to carry. Fortunately the more water you drank, the lighter your load. And since it was just a few ckicks away from infil site not too bad.
I’ve had the same large alive pack since basic in 85. I bought used gear at a surplus store na d replaced my basic gear for turnin so I could keep most of my basic issue. O wrapped the shoulder and kidney pads wit 100 mph tape and it’s so comfortable. I’ve carried up to 120 lbs init during the gulf war
When I was issued the large pack I redid the straps so they were pulled downward then rolled up the ends. Still have my ALICE.
You forgot the slots behind the two outside pockets for a set of skis. Great video on a good pack that can be modded for more comfort.
You're right, I did. Thanks MrShawn. - Luke
It is a simple and common modification to add fastex buckles to the main cinch straps. Makes it much easier to gain access to the pack. I carried one for years and miss it. I just don't seam to be able to fit near as much stuff in a 90L Eagle Creek pack as I did in my old Alice pack.
One thing that will happen when you cram that bag full is the frame will bent. You can tell an Alice frame is well used when it's shaped more like an S.
My friend, USMC- retired gave me a medium Alice with frame 10 years ago and I've used that thing for everything, Still have it.
I did buy a Large Alice on Ebay, basic repairs to fix it, mounted to a modern FILBE frame and using Molle ii shoulder pads and waste belt (for now) and it does help make larger loads more manageable. The main reason I choose to use the large over Medium honestly deals with the pocket layout and size, living in an area where the weather can switch from one extreme to another, having clothes/shelter to change to the conditions is a must. The larger front pocket perfectly stores my entire cook kit in a dry bag, my other quick grab stuff hangs out in the other two pockets.
Medium rides with me daily, its with me all the time, large is for when I plan leave and never come home if that should come to be
used it for years hiking big time, what a great product !
Humped with one for 3 yrs. Was climbing up a steep bank and tried to jump across a trench that was dug during the Korean War and ended up doing a back flip into the trench. I was fully loaded down with the M-60 machine gun and had the spare barrel and tripod as well. Assistance gunner had to be medivaced do to blisters and heat exhaustion. I loved the pac due to the outside pouches being readily handy for quick access for rain gear, and other things that were handy to have for quick access. We had what we called spegitte straps, which held our sleeping bag in a waterproof bag under the bottom and a waterproof bag inside, especially during moonsoon season
I notice that you don't have the waist strap on the pack and that is what I always used with the one the Air Force issued to me. When I looked for one after I retired I looked at the area exchange where they had the Sandpiper of California (S.O.C.) brand and they was like the ones issued to the troops and I purchased one and it is well built and what I was looking for at a reasonable price. The pack can take a bladder, but I didn't want to put one in it, but instead use two canteens with it. I loved the one issued to me and took real good care of it and returned it in the same condition it was issued to me.
I have the alice pack from the 70's but changed out my straps and kidney belt with the molle straps and kidney belt, more comfortable..........great review
Loved my ruck. Bought another large one several years back. Feels fine with a
70 lbs load for 15 miles.
Just picked one up like new for $35, excited to try it out
Love it,love it,love it... .
No need to review the greatest pack ever. I was issued this in 2003 and still use it!
Just bought one a few months ago, still tweaking my load out on it but loving it. At first I thought it was going to displace the weight wrong as it fills outward so much but getting it worked out.
Went out with 50lbs last time carried fine
You should do a review of the large ALICE pack on a FILBE frame/suspension system, and how it carries.
i have two medium alice packs. one is on a frame. one of them is an Lc-1 and the other an Lc-2. i prefer the Lc-1 because the buckles are spring loaded. that is the vietnam style alice pack. i got medium packs because i don't think i could carry 70 pounds of anything. all 3 of the outside pockets have the tunnel slot behind them. if you ever need the pack stitched you can take it to a shoe repair shop. they have the machinery to stitch those heavy pieces .
I took the medium Alice with a frame on a three day hike along the AT in New York and Connecticut. It did a good job and was fairly comfortable, although I used brand new shoulder straps. I haven't hkiked much with my large Alice yet.
You're absolutely right about the love/hate load out. Trick I used was put a Box inside. That. way the load doesn't spread. out the bottom.
I have a medium ALICE and I love it. It is my go to pack for anything outdoors.
I use a modified Medium for trips of up to three days. I have loaded that sucker up to 60 pounds without a problem. (You just have to be creative in how you load it.)
Some Hints. Replace the Straps with the Molle Straps. It's well worth it. Add the L Shaped Shelf on the Bottom of the Frame and strap an Ammo Can to it. (I have a Plastic one from Harbor Freight.) Use Compressions Bags and learn to stack them in the Pack. Add Drop Bags to the Waist Belt.
Being in Florida I go through a lot of Water. So I put a 3 Liter Water Bladder in the Radio Bag and strap another 3 Liter Bladder to the top of the Pack. (I can refill both of these with a Life Straw which is carried in the outside right Pouch along with my Fire Kit.)
This Pack is great if used correctly.
Ed
You forgot to put an E-Tool w/ cover (Entrenchment Tool) on the lower right side, and a 2 qt canteen (also with cover) on the lower left side (so the top of the canteen, where you drink water from, faces away from the wearer), Luke. Lol !
Good Ol' Reliable. As a Navy and Army Veteran, I have used a Large ALICE rucksack on numerous occasions.
I miss that thing, and need to get another to let my son experience "The Tick". That way he will appreciate his lighter packs in the future.
Thank you for putting out some really great videos, Brother !
Keep up the great work !!!
I have two medium and two large ALICE packs, all are set up as originally issued with no mods. Love this system, none of mine have ever let me down. If you load these packs properly with the correct weight distribution and strap/belt settings they are comfortable and easy to carry.
I always humped a medium ALICE with a max load around 60 pounds with MREs water and an E-tool. Never had to use the Large, but when we switched over to the humungous MOLLE II pack we suddenly had a load over 100 pounds..... I still have a Med. ALICE for personal use and I love it.
My favorite addition to this pack was the fastex field expedient repair buckles. Cut the stitching for the rolled Edge on the ends of the long straps then unfeed straps from the stock buckles on the bottom of the bag. Connect the fastex Buckle split end on the loops that contain the stock buckles on the bottom of the bag then feed your straps through. Now you have a quick detach for your long straps that hold the lid down. I even left the original buckles on in case I broke a plastic Buckle so I would have a backup. It's a nice addition and you do not have to modify the bag. And the big plus is that it only cost about $2.
That's so true! If its light it's great if it's heavy, those shoulder straps suck! But I've had mine for about 22 years with no signs of rot and it is my main pack for everything.
Going with Geraldo Maria's suggestion! Alice vs. Molle II. Also, if it all possible, I would like to know if upgrading the shoulder straps to the Molle II, kidney pad to Molle II, and adding the MSS carrier (Hellcat MOD) makes it all that much better. I have seen plenty of videos of people making all of these upgrades, but no videos of anyone actually using them.
Truth be told, I have the Molle II rucksack which I paid 168$ for brand spanking new. I also have Large Alice which I paid closer to 200$ for after making all the upgrades for it to convert it into a Hellcat. I haven't had the chance yet to test any of them myself, so I would be really curious to get your input :)
Molle II is not an upgrade. There were/are several variants of straps for the ALICE. There is a set that is padded all the way down to the quick release buckle. Problem with Molle II, is the straps are set wider to accommodate the wearing of body armor. So instead of riding of your traps and hugging the upper ribs (almost l like wearing a vest) the Molle II tends to sit on the front of your deltoid head with no hug on the ribs, this creates stand off from your upper back and puts increased strain on your lower.
I carried mine during my last deployment to Afghanistan in 2012-13 -- worked great!
I have a large Alice Pack and love it.
Compartmentalizing with dry-bags is one very good way to distribute the weight (this is the system I like to use most) but there is another little trick I learned from another "outdoorsman"; A small plastic, rectangular shaped, 20-25 gal trash can will fit just right inside the pack to help easily distribute the weight making it a "semi-hard shell".
I was a 60 gunner. My load out was about 125lbs. with the large alice. I love both the med and large, and was just going through both today getting ready for National FTX in Sept. Decided I'll hump the LG alice, but it ain't gonna weigh no 125lbs lol.