Don't miss the comparison remarks and shots later in the video on Discovery vs Range Rover vs Range Rover Sport! Also see the earlier street review of the Land Rover Discovery 5: ua-cam.com/video/jIoiMczpjD4/v-deo.html Range Rover review: ua-cam.com/video/4R-ijwNMCEs/v-deo.html Range Rover Sport SVR review: ua-cam.com/video/R0NoLDASluM/v-deo.html
+Autogefuhl - Hi Thomas and Katharina - hope you have managed to get a break from your busy schedule, and have had a nice vacation and rest - perhaps around Moab Utah, or the Dead Horse Point State Park. Cheers. Oh, and meant to say, fantastic video. And great car - Land Rover have done a good job.
This is the hidden gem in the LR range in my opinion. It's almost a luxurious as the RR and RRS, more practical and doesn't attract the 'haters' as much because of its family-friendly credentials.
I mean this guy just does the absolute best car reviews on youtube, I love the depth, the attention to detail, really takes the time to discuss everything relevant, and he doesnt shout. I love this channel. Great work Thomas, thanks. Kind of helped me make my decision to get a Q5 but I just love watching all the reviews, even of cars that I cant afford :P
I see a lot of car reviews and this is the best I have ever seen. You really go in depth and explain the actual difference in these cars in a magnificent way no one else has done! 1000 inches up!
This is the secret sauce of the LR line up. It's such a bargain now for the amount of luxury and capability you get. I used to love the Volvo XC90 until I drove this. I bought one. I now have 90K miles. It's still reliable and smooth. Never skipped a beat. My family and relatives love this car
This corrects the issues with the first Discovery review by Autogefuhl. Thomas has correctly assessed the vehicle for its intended market, i.e. people who value the off-roading capability of their SUV. Those who don't will go for the X5/Q7/XC90/GLE, which is fine. But for those who will be hitting the trails and beaches, then this was a great review. As for the comments here about the appearance, like Thomas found, it grows on you.
I really appreciate you Thomas, there is no room for more questions ur review covering all the aspects of vehicle. Thanks for sharing this amazing experience with us
Beautiful review, thank you. I love your gentle narration whilst sight-seeing! I have the Discovery Sport 2017, only 3 weeks old and can't go anywhere far due to the current covid lockdown! Stay safe 🙏💖
I PREFER THE MAGIC CARPET RIDE IN AN SUV. IF WE ARE TALKING OF A SEDAN THEN, I PREFER THE SPORTY SUSPENSIONS. WHEN YOU DECIDE TO BUY AN SUV OVER A SEDAN ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ARE SPENDING CLOSE TO OR OVER ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND, THE SPORTY RIDE IS SOMETHING YOU WOULD HAVE TICKED OFF YOUR EXPECTATION LIST. ANOTHER GREAT REVIEW OUR GERMAN CAR PROFESSOR THOMAS. I AM ADDICTED TO WATCHING YOUR REVIEWS, THEY ARE A PART OF MY DAY.
Not centering the license plate gives it its own uniqueness. Think outside of the box folks. Do you want every SUV on the road to look the same? Doesn't seem to be a deal breaker for a lot of people. I see them everywhere these days.
Wowwww I was wondering why you weren't uploading lately so often.I can see now why!!!You were the best car review channel on youtube, but with videos like this one , you are getting further away from the competition.This cinematic experience and quality of the video are amazing!!!And as always an in-depth review by Thomas. Keep the good work guys!!!
First 30 seconds of this video is really trippy. You see the giant rock formation behind Mr. Thomas and he seems to be really far and really small, but the sound sounds so close.
Clark Kent presenting cars??? Hi Thomas awesome video... I am still driving a 1999 Freelander, I hope I can upgrade very soon. Awesome video, I'll try to reproduce the landscape on Unreal Engine
Yes, 46:05 great camera work Michel. Agree Thomas, also much prefer soft suspension, on road and in town, softer the better at slow speed - and obviously off-road too. Did you try the slow speed off-road 'speed-hold' (ATPC - All Terrain Progress Control)? ('Crawl Control' on a Land Cruiser). Perhaps it doesn't work at slow enough speed for rocks? Expensive car, nice. Too pretentious, too big for me! Great detailed Review, filming and production - as always Thomas and Team. Many thanks.
Landscape looks very beautiful . Is it cold there ? My brother work for LR UK, He told me the new Discovery 5 drives as good as the Sport version ,. Interior looks an improvement from before then. !! Thank you Thomas !!
First of all thanks a lot Lee! Utah or Moab where we were, is beautiful. Be it driving off-road or hiking, all of that is insane! Michel was even able to shoot the milky way out there. We can only recommend to get there. At night it is getting very cold ...
I liked the old design.. I also feel like the 2018 one has a lower seating position which I dislike. Then there's the rear window view, through which you can't see anything (reminding me of the Evoque).
Its exactly like the 2017 Prado, and the 2016, and the 2015. They've tidied up the interior a little but its still ugly and cheap inside, with the same narrow body and poor space in the 3rd row. There's also only a 130kw 2.8l diesel available, no petrol version.
+Riccardo Sperber Das ist echt immer eine Sache für sich. Thomas konnte problemlos auf dem Rückflug pennen und hatte den entsprechend danach keinen mehr. Bei mir (Michel) war es dieses mal ein wenig schlimmer. In den Staaten hatten wir weitestgehend kaum Probleme :D
george mcray No, I'm being serious. Also, even if the car looks like a pig, which it really doesn't, you have to bear in mind that pigs are more intelligent and better at interpreting human mimics than dogs for example. That's why I find pigs kind of cute.
Nice review and especially filming Thomas, however the title is just a bit misleading as the official name (which you are usually careful to use) is just... Discovery. It may be the 5th generation, but LR has never used the "5" as part of the name.
Amazing video...here is my question...2.0 diesel 240 hp 4 cylinder hse version or 2.0 300 hp 4 cylinder petrol se version (same price for both - slightly used both cars)? Both 7seaters, onroad day to day use. Thanx in advance
Not more than 10-15 000 km per year, driving 90% on asphalt streets, 10% offroad, 5-member family, i.e. roads in Greece -where i live - are not so good, with several potholes (even in asphalt streets). Use of a car mainly on trips, out of city. I guess and i read that performance in 2.0 petrol is much better than diesel, but consumption? Also note that 2.0 liter diesel hse is 2.000 euros cheaper than petrol (2.0 liter 300 hp). Thanx again in advance and congrats for your excellent review once again.
WOW .. what a great location utah ... i love utah, those interior door handles are off the range rover vogue L322 2002-2012 & the door cards are a copy from that model, it might be half the price of top of the range range rover but it still costs more than a range rover velar
Major fail with the disco 5....would be space. The raised foot wells mid seats is a deal breaker...shoulda aimed this at GLS , Navigator and Landcruiser for space, this has bn missed.
@Strongholdex Put some decent all terrain tyres on the Discovery and it'll do anything a stock Jeep GC will do and more besides. Not to mention about triple the comfort.
I know that styling can be subjective but I really think they have messed up on the design of the tailgate. It just doesnt work - the car also looks extremely heavy at the back in profile. They have tried to crowbar LR design features of the past into a modern design that have no functional or aesthetic purpose.
top review thomas . looks like the back drop of a spagetti western ! shame bout the discoverys looks . very faceless . its got a sort of crash test dummy look a bout it . great off road tho
Certainly not an experienced car for off-roading. It messes up smooth driving due to the torque converter not being locked up and the diffs not locked. You wouldn't get the little slides and spins of the wheels with a more sure-footed transmission.
+Gopolang Motshwarapitse Thank you for taking interest in this very important topic! We have researched this issue for many years now so please take your time to go through our extensive resources stated below as they answer on single question we have yet received concerning this matter. At Autogefühl, we have already received several thousands (!) comments, messages and mails that more and more people want to combine enjoying their car with reducing the environmental impact at the same time. We believe that sustainable luxury is possible or at least we should do everything to support that. Those many thousand people confirming this trend, motivate us to give you the most authentic information and background on the product parts. It is not about what you bought in the past, and it is not about blaming anyone, it is about what you decide in the future and what you can decide and influence as a customer. So we want you to have all information that you need for a decision you later enjoy and like best yourself. In Summer 2017, Tesla motors has decided to be the first manufacturer to go all the way with sustainable seat materials, only offering fabric/cloth seats or leatherette seats in different colours. They have banned all real leather from the seating surface and at the steering wheel in the white trim or on demand. So Tesla shows where the industry will and must be heading, just like they went forward with electrification first. Check out our special video addressing car CEOs as a first summary and also see conditions of animal skin production: ua-cam.com/video/LNSUzZXzpdc/v-deo.html List of practical reasons against animal skin seats: 1. animal skin seats are often sold as an expensive option, by going for base trim level seats you can save a lot of money and get a better price-performance-deal (often the manufacturers claim that animal leather is top of luxury because they can earn the best money with it) 2. animal skin seats get hot in summer and you stick to the seat, probably you need seat cooling 3. they get very cold in winter and you need seat heating 4. on cloth or microfibre surfaces, you basically don’t need seat heating nor cooling 5. animal skin seats wear out very fast and look like an old sofa 6. if you want leather look or need seats that can be wiped clean easier, the leatherette (faux leather) surfaces are meanwhile highly evolved and it is possible that it feels even softer and better than anything else (See our Tesla Model X review ua-cam.com/video/y2wNGFKa4M0/v-deo.html) So Tesla shows a good example for that and as described, non-leather materials are now standard for ALL Tesla 7. More manufacturer names for their good alternatives: Mercedes MBTex/Artico for leatherette, Dinamica for microfibre. BMW Sensatec, Toyota Sof-Tex, Lexus Nu-Luxe (all faux leather) To the environmental reasons: 1. The way the cows and other intelligent and social animals are raised and held are not according to the basic values that we all share (also see videos below) 2. The factory farming industry can be accounted for at least 40 % of climate emissions and thus is (according to numerous sources you can look up) the number one reason for climate change and environmental destruction. It is the number one reason for deforestation, two thirds of all agricultural land on earth is used for growing animal food crops. If you would feed humans directly by using the agricultural land, you could produce much more food for everyone. See this interesting essay for more on climate emissions background: www.worldwatch.org/files/pdf/Livestock%20and%20Climate%20Change.pdf 3. It is not only cows who are suffering, but also the environment and to a big part also humans. Think of slavery-like working conditions in slaughterhouses (there are plenty of documentaries about this) or think of chemically altered drinking water in animal skin production villages as also seen in the video footage. 4. The discussion, for which body part the cow is killed first, is very patronizing. But if you really think it would be important why someone gets killed in first place: There are many productions where the cow is killed for the skin first, sometimes even while still being (part-)alive, the skin is the most profitable single part of the body. 5. So even if a cow gets theoretically killed for meat first, in every case you give additional money to an industry that relies on killing, pollutes the environment and harms people with chemicals. Let's say you are standing at the meat counter. And you ask for the leg of the cow. The butcher tells you: "You can eat that without worrying, the cow was slaughtered for the neck first". The next customer demands the neck. The butcher tells him: "It's not your fault, the cow was slaughtered for the belly". A the next customer demands the hide, what answer does he get? You see, that argument of "byproduct" comes from the meat and leather industry to cover up that you contribute to killing no matter which part of the body you buy. 6. To the often said argument, animal skin would just be a byproduct, please google/youtube "leather is not a byproduct" you will find plenty of information. A good overview on all those issues can also be found here: adaptt.org/ To “But leatherette is not sustainable due to petrochemical production” 1. Indeed some fabrics and micro fibres are oil based, however most oil is spent on energy production, heating and fuel. The share of oil used for artificial cloth etc. is very very small. 2. If you look at the whole production process, the leatherette is way more sustainable than the leather produce. 3. The best to-come solution are indeed plant-based materials like Pinatex (based on pineapple leaves) or new materials based on mycelia (roots of mushrooms) or other innovative natural products. That’s the future. More special video episodes: 1. A initial special video from Autogefühl considering the use of leather can be found here: ua-cam.com/video/8f91KgbVbJQ/v-deo.html 2. And another one right here: ua-cam.com/video/tMNgcLE0LDU/v-deo.html 3. Furthermore, you’ll find the footage of leather production also here, where people are walking in chemicals etc. and animals have to watch their friends being slaughtered in front of their eyes: ua-cam.com/video/JipYvuDsI6s/v-deo.html timecode starting 27:46 4. This is another video which very well summarizes the torture of leather production, shots taken at big farms which directly produce for the automotive industry: ua-cam.com/video/OgHs239bAnE/v-deo.html 5. Please note that those videos are made by well-known journalists and cameramen who were not influenced by any animal welfare organisation, they supply their footage to the animal rights groups of course. I partly know the creators of the video footage personally and they are all authentic. You don’t have to search long to find cruel production environments anyway. Manufacturers reactions: We started the very first inquiry years ago, with the result that car manufacturers do not reveal their sources of animal skin AT ALL. If it all would be clean and happening without harm, why don’t they show it to us whereas they are showing us every other detail of their products? They have good reason not to, because there is no such thing as a clean animal skin production without harming cows, humans and the environment. The only thing a manufacturer can do is increase their effort for a better future, and we are helping with in-depth talks and interviews by presenting the increasing customer demand for sustainable luxury. Tesla was the first one to react in a major way now. So meanwhile, we more often also get feedback that a lot of manufacturers are working on leather-free interiors and are aware of the situation. E.g. Bentley, Mini and Kia have started vegan car interior programmes. Besides Tesla, Mercedes already shows major choices for sustainable interiors, you always have to pay attention to the details when ordering, of course - and we are happy to give advice. However, much has to be done still and the Autogefuehl community is massively helping in boosting the positive change! Help to raise awareness on this subject. Thanks!
Autogefühl well, that is a thorough answer. I feel like I learned something. I've never liked leather but more due to the fact that it's hot and sticky in the summer. I always preferred cloth seats and never understood the attraction to leather. Anyway, thank you.
It is always complicate with the TATA Group... the exteriors are always so great, and excepted the Velar, I'm really disappointed by the interiors. Some things are great, but some others are too cheap for this price, many materials aren't good enough for my opinion. I'm not fan of touchscreen, it isn't safe while driving and I don't like fingers prints. Same for central console, the shiny black finish seems very fragile and the design is kind of overdated ( rear block vents looks like from a 1990's old car), leather never good enough, many plastics are too cheap like the horrible rear vent block (again)... complicate because that car got something special but in same time there is too many problems to put so much money in it.
yeah k, quite far in the video, I found it. Title made it sound like it will be an offroad review. Suppose I am used to Australian offroad reviews, where the whole thing is off-roading, and very little about everything else.
I really never liked anything about Land Rover in general. There’s just something about it that bothers me. Elitist, huge, polluting cars and owners who couldn’t care less. But I like off road stuff so if someone else starts making some capable EV off roaders that would be cool to see.
Have you ever driven a Land rover, or did you form this opinion from a distance? First, they're not huge, they're actually smaller than many family saloons, e.g. 3" shorter than Chrysler 300, 4" shorter than Mazda CX9. LR owners do care, they care about driving a car that is genuine, not a pretend SUV like all the European competition. You'll see Discos on the beach and forest trails being put through their paces by their enthusiastic owners. They are definitely not overly polluting, my Disco 4 averages 9l/100km, compared to my VW Golf which gets 7, yet my Disco hauls my family of 6 with all our paraphernalia around the country with ease, that's efficient motoring in my view. Labelling LR owners elitist is absurd, what does that say about Merc/BMW/Audi owners, let alone Bentley, Maserati, Porsche, etc, etc? Put your prejudices aside and go and drive a Disco, you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Steering wheels look terrible on all rovers.How can someone buy this crap over mercedes glc and other suv-s omg.They are just selling the famous brand from the past I think!
Lol, the Mercedes GLC would've stubbed its toe and sat crying at the first rock it encountered. Its a pretend SUV, incapable of off-road activity and bought by poseurs who care only about the badge.
Don't miss the comparison remarks and shots later in the video on Discovery vs Range Rover vs Range Rover Sport!
Also see the earlier street review of the Land Rover Discovery 5: ua-cam.com/video/jIoiMczpjD4/v-deo.html
Range Rover review: ua-cam.com/video/4R-ijwNMCEs/v-deo.html
Range Rover Sport SVR review: ua-cam.com/video/R0NoLDASluM/v-deo.html
When can we see the velar? =)
Finally got a schedule now, February!
+Autogefuhl - Hi Thomas and Katharina - hope you have managed to get a break from your busy schedule, and have had a nice vacation and rest - perhaps around Moab Utah, or the Dead Horse Point State Park. Cheers. Oh, and meant to say, fantastic video. And great car - Land Rover have done a good job.
is the RR sport too uncomfortable off road compared to the Discovery?
This is the hidden gem in the LR range in my opinion. It's almost a luxurious as the RR and RRS, more practical and doesn't attract the 'haters' as much because of its family-friendly credentials.
I mean this guy just does the absolute best car reviews on youtube, I love the depth, the attention to detail, really takes the time to discuss everything relevant, and he doesnt shout. I love this channel. Great work Thomas, thanks. Kind of helped me make my decision to get a Q5 but I just love watching all the reviews, even of cars that I cant afford :P
+Edinson1 thanks so much !!
I see a lot of car reviews and this is the best I have ever seen. You really go in depth and explain the actual difference in these cars in a magnificent way no one else has done! 1000 inches up!
Thanks so much! Pls recommend:)
This is the secret sauce of the LR line up. It's such a bargain now for the amount of luxury and capability you get. I used to love the Volvo XC90 until I drove this. I bought one. I now have 90K miles. It's still reliable and smooth. Never skipped a beat. My family and relatives love this car
I love Autogefuhl!! Thomas for Président of Europe!!!
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Sorry you don’t get to vote who is the present of Europe
Amazing video O_O such a beautiful landscape, feels like a real movie with the off-road parts
enjoy!
This team provides such a wide range of vehicles with a broad range of landscapes. The ideograph is top notch.
This corrects the issues with the first Discovery review by Autogefuhl. Thomas has correctly assessed the vehicle for its intended market, i.e. people who value the off-roading capability of their SUV. Those who don't will go for the X5/Q7/XC90/GLE, which is fine. But for those who will be hitting the trails and beaches, then this was a great review. As for the comments here about the appearance, like Thomas found, it grows on you.
+John Pitcher thank you so much, but aj also did a good job, just with another perspective :)
Perfect combinaison with the car and the landscape
tomas you are great! i watch all of your suv videos you do it very very nice and pro.
thank you, shlomi israel
stick with us!
I really appreciate you Thomas, there is no room for more questions ur review covering all the aspects of vehicle. Thanks for sharing this amazing experience with us
Thanks for your support!
Beautiful review, thank you. I love your gentle narration whilst sight-seeing! I have the Discovery Sport 2017, only 3 weeks old and can't go anywhere far due to the current covid lockdown! Stay safe 🙏💖
cheers! We ll also have the Disco Sport Facelift review soon :)
Tolles Fahrzeug. Optisch sieht der richtig gut aus. Kein Einheitsbrei, wie anderswo. Auch die Videolocation passt einfach perfekt dazu. Super !
Vielen Dank!
I actually like this new design.
Nice to see you again Thomas!
thanks !
THOMAS MY MAN!!!! I SEE THE VELAR REVIEW COMMING. THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS YOU.
I PREFER THE MAGIC CARPET RIDE IN AN SUV. IF WE ARE TALKING OF A SEDAN THEN, I PREFER THE SPORTY SUSPENSIONS. WHEN YOU DECIDE TO BUY AN SUV OVER A SEDAN ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ARE SPENDING CLOSE TO OR OVER ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND, THE SPORTY RIDE IS SOMETHING YOU WOULD HAVE TICKED OFF YOUR EXPECTATION LIST. ANOTHER GREAT REVIEW OUR GERMAN CAR PROFESSOR THOMAS. I AM ADDICTED TO WATCHING YOUR REVIEWS, THEY ARE A PART OF MY DAY.
yeah working on that too =)
Looks really good from the front, but can't say the same about the rear.
I change the rear a little bit with photoshop now its not that asymetrical. imgur.com/71FMo2n
😅 Agreed! It looks like it's had a stroke. Why on earth didn't they centre it on the new model?
Not centering the license plate gives it its own uniqueness. Think outside of the box folks. Do you want every SUV on the road to look the same? Doesn't seem to be a deal breaker for a lot of people. I see them everywhere these days.
@@allentyson5475 Exactly
Wowwww I was wondering why you weren't uploading lately so often.I can see now why!!!You were the best car review channel on youtube, but with videos like this one , you are getting further away from the competition.This cinematic experience and quality of the video are amazing!!!And as always an in-depth review by Thomas. Keep the good work guys!!!
+clairvoyant13pao13 thanks so much spread the word!
First 30 seconds of this video is really trippy. You see the giant rock formation behind Mr. Thomas and he seems to be really far and really small, but the sound sounds so close.
A fantastic review indeed!! Autogefühl must bring us more such reviews from exotic locations..Waiting for more in the future
thanks !!
Wow! An epic review, to match the Utah landscape!
sure is! Enjoy m8 !
Bester Autotester-Kanal auf UA-cam!
+DadeRales Dankeschön! Sag's weiter :)
another excellent in-depth video, thanks Thomas!
+Dan Sutherland thanks so much Dan! Stick to us :)
I really like the rims and inside of the vehicle, thank you Thomas.
enjoy!
An excellent demonstration of JLR electrics - the middle tow seat folding LOL
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Thanks for the great video. I really envy you to have such a nice experience!
thanks, join us for more!
Clark Kent presenting cars??? Hi Thomas awesome video... I am still driving a 1999 Freelander, I hope I can upgrade very soon. Awesome video, I'll try to reproduce the landscape on Unreal Engine
Thanks for joining 😀
Yes, 46:05 great camera work Michel. Agree Thomas, also much prefer soft suspension, on road and in town, softer the better at slow speed - and obviously off-road too. Did you try the slow speed off-road 'speed-hold' (ATPC - All Terrain Progress Control)? ('Crawl Control' on a Land Cruiser). Perhaps it doesn't work at slow enough speed for rocks? Expensive car, nice. Too pretentious, too big for me! Great detailed Review, filming and production - as always Thomas and Team. Many thanks.
+gordon bennett indeed! It works well but on those rocks u have to be even slower
Thanks Thomas - I thought that my be the case.
I wish you can do Lincoln Navigator review. I’ve seen in person it’s a very nice car . Anyway I like interior of this car . Good job Thomas.
The point is Lincoln does not co-operate with us in the sense of giving us test vehicles. But we keep that in our mind.
Landscape looks very beautiful . Is it cold there ?
My brother work for LR UK, He told me the new Discovery 5 drives as good as the Sport version ,. Interior looks an improvement from before then. !! Thank you Thomas !!
First of all thanks a lot Lee! Utah or Moab where we were, is beautiful. Be it driving off-road or hiking, all of that is insane! Michel was even able to shoot the milky way out there. We can only recommend to get there. At night it is getting very cold ...
Autogefühl thank you so much 😎😉
I liked the old design.. I also feel like the 2018 one has a lower seating position which I dislike. Then there's the rear window view, through which you can't see anything (reminding me of the Evoque).
Great review as always with Thomas! What car drive you as your current personal car?
+PaulB cheers paul!
Love your accent!
Could you please do also a review about the 2018 Toyota Land Cruiser (Prado).
Its exactly like the 2017 Prado, and the 2016, and the 2015. They've tidied up the interior a little but its still ugly and cheap inside, with the same narrow body and poor space in the 3rd row. There's also only a 130kw 2.8l diesel available, no petrol version.
It's five cars in one. Very few, if any can match this engineering tour-de-force
What the hell happened to the classic Discovery headroom??
Tolles Review. Wie macht Ihr das eigentlich immer mit dem Jetlag? Respekt!
+Riccardo Sperber Das ist echt immer eine Sache für sich. Thomas konnte problemlos auf dem Rückflug pennen und hatte den entsprechend danach keinen mehr. Bei mir (Michel) war es dieses mal ein wenig schlimmer. In den Staaten hatten wir weitestgehend kaum Probleme :D
Beautiful Landy.
Strongholdex .. you are being ironic surely?! the car is a pig.
george mcray No, I'm being serious. Also, even if the car looks like a pig, which it really doesn't, you have to bear in mind that pigs are more intelligent and better at interpreting human mimics than dogs for example. That's why I find pigs kind of cute.
Nice review and especially filming Thomas, however the title is just a bit misleading as the official name (which you are usually careful to use) is just... Discovery. It may be the 5th generation, but LR has never used the "5" as part of the name.
thanks! Well they used it in the generations before ...
13:46 very low and short back seats!
Should I get a Land Rover Discovery with the surround camera system?
rear view camera is the most important
Amazing video...here is my question...2.0 diesel 240 hp 4 cylinder hse version or 2.0 300 hp 4 cylinder petrol se version (same price for both - slightly used both cars)? Both 7seaters, onroad day to day use. Thanx in advance
Thanks! Wont make such a big difference, if the SE does have fabric seats, i d take that
Autogefühl se has leather seats, but do you think that 2.0 petrol engine is better than 2.0 diesel?thanks again in advance
@@spiroskom5075 Phew, guess it depends on how many km per year you drive. The petrol is very very thirsty.
Not more than 10-15 000 km per year, driving 90% on asphalt streets, 10% offroad, 5-member family, i.e. roads in Greece -where i live - are not so good, with several potholes (even in asphalt streets). Use of a car mainly on trips, out of city. I guess and i read that performance in 2.0 petrol is much better than diesel, but consumption? Also note that 2.0 liter diesel hse is 2.000 euros cheaper than petrol (2.0 liter 300 hp). Thanx again in advance and congrats for your excellent review once again.
@@spiroskom5075 Thanks! Petrol should also work for u then
I prefer the Discovery 4!
Beautiful car but the diesels will be plagued with oil dilution problems if used for short trips.
WOW .. what a great location utah ... i love utah, those interior door handles are off the range rover vogue L322 2002-2012 & the door cards are a copy from that model, it might be half the price of top of the range range rover but it still costs more than a range rover velar
Major fail with the disco 5....would be space. The raised foot wells mid seats is a deal breaker...shoulda aimed this at GLS , Navigator and Landcruiser for space, this has bn missed.
It looks good at the front, but from the side and from the rear and does not look so good.Btw, beautiful location Thomas.
The big unanswered question is: How does the Discovery compare to the Audi Q7 and Volvo XC90?
See our reviews here:
Audi Q7 ua-cam.com/video/x7vtZhUdIm0/v-deo.html
Volvo XC90 ua-cam.com/video/qpKvDw0JIlo/v-deo.html
Autogefühl Which one would you pick, Thomas? The world wants to know! :-)
PLS THOMAS THE RANGE ROVER SPORT AND VOUGE YOU TESTED ARE THEY THE 2018 YEAR MODEL?
not exactly, but they havent changed much
I wonder which car is more offroad worthy. Jeep Grand Cherokee or Land Rover Discovery.
Strongholdex .. Jeep
@Strongholdex Put some decent all terrain tyres on the Discovery and it'll do anything a stock Jeep GC will do and more besides. Not to mention about triple the comfort.
Mike B I agree!
Review the Lexus lc 500
I know that styling can be subjective but I really think they have messed up on the design of the tailgate. It just doesnt work - the car also looks extremely heavy at the back in profile. They have tried to crowbar LR design features of the past into a modern design that have no functional or aesthetic purpose.
top review thomas . looks like the back drop of a spagetti western ! shame bout the discoverys looks . very faceless . its got a sort of crash test dummy look a bout it . great off road tho
sure does, this area is the no.1 spot for movie locations, Indiana Jones 3 & Westworld for example
what a great job you have . enjoy
18:29 Land Rover engineering at its best.
Buenos días
Who is aj, cameraman maybe?
Michel was doing camera here
AJ is here: ua-cam.com/video/jj5m0lGbsFo/v-deo.html
40:03 Thomas, did you scratch the car?
actually no, that was fitting very tightly =)
Certainly not an experienced car for off-roading. It messes up smooth driving due to the torque converter not being locked up and the diffs not locked. You wouldn't get the little slides and spins of the wheels with a more sure-footed transmission.
FST too many adverts
10:20 Teşekkürler. Bir kez daha alamayacağımı idrak ettim.
Wait a minute,this is not a German car????!!!!!
As the man says, if you want to go into the desert choose a Land Rover but if you want to get out again choose a Land Cruiser
That joke is so old... Google actually translated it from Latin to English automatically.
R Mac Stupid.Discocery the king of SUVs.LAND ROVER the father of SUVs.Think you will never come back if you're getting in any car.
Thomas hates leather seats with all his heart. He is always talking negatively about them. Why?
+Gopolang Motshwarapitse Thank you for taking interest in this very important topic!
We have researched this issue for many years now so please take your time to go through our extensive resources stated below as they answer on single question we have yet received concerning this matter.
At Autogefühl, we have already received several thousands (!) comments, messages and mails that more and more people want to combine enjoying their car with reducing the environmental impact at the same time. We believe that sustainable luxury is possible or at least we should do everything to support that. Those many thousand people confirming this trend, motivate us to give you the most authentic information and background on the product parts. It is not about what you bought in the past, and it is not about blaming anyone, it is about what you decide in the future and what you can decide and influence as a customer. So we want you to have all information that you need for a decision you later enjoy and like best yourself.
In Summer 2017, Tesla motors has decided to be the first manufacturer to go all the way with sustainable seat materials, only offering fabric/cloth seats or leatherette seats in different colours. They have banned all real leather from the seating surface and at the steering wheel in the white trim or on demand. So Tesla shows where the industry will and must be heading, just like they went forward with electrification first.
Check out our special video addressing car CEOs as a first summary and also see conditions of animal skin production:
ua-cam.com/video/LNSUzZXzpdc/v-deo.html
List of practical reasons against animal skin seats:
1. animal skin seats are often sold as an expensive option, by going for base trim level seats you can save a lot of money and get a better price-performance-deal (often the manufacturers claim that animal leather is top of luxury because they can earn the best money with it)
2. animal skin seats get hot in summer and you stick to the seat, probably you need seat cooling
3. they get very cold in winter and you need seat heating
4. on cloth or microfibre surfaces, you basically don’t need seat heating nor cooling
5. animal skin seats wear out very fast and look like an old sofa
6. if you want leather look or need seats that can be wiped clean easier, the leatherette (faux leather) surfaces are meanwhile highly evolved and it is possible that it feels even softer and better than anything else (See our Tesla Model X review ua-cam.com/video/y2wNGFKa4M0/v-deo.html) So Tesla shows a good example for that and as described, non-leather materials are now standard for ALL Tesla
7. More manufacturer names for their good alternatives: Mercedes MBTex/Artico for leatherette, Dinamica for microfibre. BMW Sensatec, Toyota Sof-Tex, Lexus Nu-Luxe (all faux leather)
To the environmental reasons:
1. The way the cows and other intelligent and social animals are raised and held are not according to the basic values that we all share (also see videos below)
2. The factory farming industry can be accounted for at least 40 % of climate emissions and thus is (according to numerous sources you can look up) the number one reason for climate change and environmental destruction. It is the number one reason for deforestation, two thirds of all agricultural land on earth is used for growing animal food crops. If you would feed humans directly by using the agricultural land, you could produce much more food for everyone. See this interesting essay for more on climate emissions background: www.worldwatch.org/files/pdf/Livestock%20and%20Climate%20Change.pdf
3. It is not only cows who are suffering, but also the environment and to a big part also humans. Think of slavery-like working conditions in slaughterhouses (there are plenty of documentaries about this) or think of chemically altered drinking water in animal skin production villages as also seen in the video footage.
4. The discussion, for which body part the cow is killed first, is very patronizing. But if you really think it would be important why someone gets killed in first place: There are many productions where the cow is killed for the skin first, sometimes even while still being (part-)alive, the skin is the most profitable single part of the body.
5. So even if a cow gets theoretically killed for meat first, in every case you give additional money to an industry that relies on killing, pollutes the environment and harms people with chemicals. Let's say you are standing at the meat counter. And you ask for the leg of the cow. The butcher tells you: "You can eat that without worrying, the cow was slaughtered for the neck first". The next customer demands the neck. The butcher tells him: "It's not your fault, the cow was slaughtered for the belly". A the next customer demands the hide, what answer does he get? You see, that argument of "byproduct" comes from the meat and leather industry to cover up that you contribute to killing no matter which part of the body you buy.
6. To the often said argument, animal skin would just be a byproduct, please google/youtube "leather is not a byproduct" you will find plenty of information. A good overview on all those issues can also be found here: adaptt.org/
To “But leatherette is not sustainable due to petrochemical production”
1. Indeed some fabrics and micro fibres are oil based, however most oil is spent on energy production, heating and fuel. The share of oil used for artificial cloth etc. is very very small.
2. If you look at the whole production process, the leatherette is way more sustainable than the leather produce.
3. The best to-come solution are indeed plant-based materials like Pinatex (based on pineapple leaves) or new materials based on mycelia (roots of mushrooms) or other innovative natural products. That’s the future.
More special video episodes:
1. A initial special video from Autogefühl considering the use of leather can be found here: ua-cam.com/video/8f91KgbVbJQ/v-deo.html
2. And another one right here: ua-cam.com/video/tMNgcLE0LDU/v-deo.html
3. Furthermore, you’ll find the footage of leather production also here, where people are walking in chemicals etc. and animals have to watch their friends being slaughtered in front of their eyes: ua-cam.com/video/JipYvuDsI6s/v-deo.html
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4. This is another video which very well summarizes the torture of leather production, shots taken at big farms which directly produce for the automotive industry: ua-cam.com/video/OgHs239bAnE/v-deo.html
5. Please note that those videos are made by well-known journalists and cameramen who were not influenced by any animal welfare organisation, they supply their footage to the animal rights groups of course. I partly know the creators of the video footage personally and they are all authentic. You don’t have to search long to find cruel production environments anyway.
Manufacturers reactions:
We started the very first inquiry years ago, with the result that car manufacturers do not reveal their sources of animal skin AT ALL. If it all would be clean and happening without harm, why don’t they show it to us whereas they are showing us every other detail of their products? They have good reason not to, because there is no such thing as a clean animal skin production without harming cows, humans and the environment. The only thing a manufacturer can do is increase their effort for a better future, and we are helping with in-depth talks and interviews by presenting the increasing customer demand for sustainable luxury. Tesla was the first one to react in a major way now.
So meanwhile, we more often also get feedback that a lot of manufacturers are working on leather-free interiors and are aware of the situation. E.g. Bentley, Mini and Kia have started vegan car interior programmes. Besides Tesla, Mercedes already shows major choices for sustainable interiors, you always have to pay attention to the details when ordering, of course - and we are happy to give advice. However, much has to be done still and the Autogefuehl community is massively helping in boosting the positive change!
Help to raise awareness on this subject. Thanks!
Autogefühl well, that is a thorough answer. I feel like I learned something. I've never liked leather but more due to the fact that it's hot and sticky in the summer. I always preferred cloth seats and never understood the attraction to leather. Anyway, thank you.
The asymmetrical design of the rear is err... kind of unsettling for an OCD person 🥴
It is always complicate with the TATA Group... the exteriors are always so great, and excepted the Velar, I'm really disappointed by the interiors. Some things are great, but some others are too cheap for this price, many materials aren't good enough for my opinion. I'm not fan of touchscreen, it isn't safe while driving and I don't like fingers prints. Same for central console, the shiny black finish seems very fragile and the design is kind of overdated ( rear block vents looks like from a 1990's old car), leather never good enough, many plastics are too cheap like the horrible rear vent block (again)... complicate because that car got something special but in same time there is too many problems to put so much money in it.
good analysis
loo lolo in
Where's the offroad review?
errr .. wut ?!
did u check the whole video ?
nope, just busy.
yeah k, quite far in the video, I found it. Title made it sound like it will be an offroad review. Suppose I am used to Australian offroad reviews, where the whole thing is off-roading, and very little about everything else.
You are very tall and thats why you are not comfortable in the 2nd row or the 3nd row
Very expensive car....
That's one big booty!! Not yours Thomas, the SUV's ;)
haha =)
The rear is hideous it looks like a fridge!
I really never liked anything about Land Rover in general. There’s just something about it that bothers me. Elitist, huge, polluting cars and owners who couldn’t care less. But I like off road stuff so if someone else starts making some capable EV off roaders that would be cool to see.
Have you ever driven a Land rover, or did you form this opinion from a distance? First, they're not huge, they're actually smaller than many family saloons, e.g. 3" shorter than Chrysler 300, 4" shorter than Mazda CX9. LR owners do care, they care about driving a car that is genuine, not a pretend SUV like all the European competition. You'll see Discos on the beach and forest trails being put through their paces by their enthusiastic owners. They are definitely not overly polluting, my Disco 4 averages 9l/100km, compared to my VW Golf which gets 7, yet my Disco hauls my family of 6 with all our paraphernalia around the country with ease, that's efficient motoring in my view. Labelling LR owners elitist is absurd, what does that say about Merc/BMW/Audi owners, let alone Bentley, Maserati, Porsche, etc, etc? Put your prejudices aside and go and drive a Disco, you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Rebadged Tata.
It's about as far removed from Tata as the large empty space between your ears I.e. as in very large
Without doubt one of the ugliest cars ever produced.
Spoken like the true car designer and vehicle aesthetist you obviously aren't
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Steering wheels look terrible on all rovers.How can someone buy this crap over mercedes glc and other suv-s omg.They are just selling the famous brand from the past I think!
Lol, the Mercedes GLC would've stubbed its toe and sat crying at the first rock it encountered. Its a pretend SUV, incapable of off-road activity and bought by poseurs who care only about the badge.
The king of mountain climbing, all else are pretenders.