First, I'd like to thank and welcome the channel's newest member @eleriavelaisen! Unfortunately I was not able to include you in the video's initial credits as it was already completed before I got notification of you joining. Rest assured, you will be in the next one so thank you and thank you to all my channel members for supporting our shared passion for the game with these videos, It really does mean the world to me and shows I actually do have a place here on UA-cam. That's... Well that's really special to me. Oh, Also... Please keep the PAGER jokes neutral, no WISHING HORRIBLE THINGS on other actual living people or groups. Keep it in the Warframe Universe and it's all good. At any rate, I hope you enjoy the video!!!
Heeeey, no worries about that! Excellent video, as always. Worth the wait of the tech issues. Wally can try, but he can't stop the signal. What he can stop, is jumpscaring me on my orbiter, but that's a whole other issue.
Honestly at 1st when I saw the original tease of WF 1999 I was like "OK so DE just came up with the same idea for Warframe origins as I did" When it comes to why we have so many unique designs when with the lore behind Alad V and Zanuka, Stalker, and Helminth we know Orokin could just make them all look exactly the same, like proxies off of factory line, and just install whatever powers they needed in them, basically each specific design is a tribute to a "Hero of the past", but with lore Entratis entries provide it seems like DE didn't do so, otherwise they would lunge themselves knees deep into "creator paradox"
The more I think about it, the more I am beginning to ponder if the Hex are essentially meant to function as a form of fail safe in the event that Entrati turns villain. The primary purpose of the team may not be necessarily to deal with Albrecht but in the event that he does start acting up then he knows that they 'should' be enough to deal with him. I mean let's think about this for a moment: 1. Albrecht has it in his head that he may have never escaped from his initial encounter with the man in the wall. 2. Notes about the Hex from Entrati make it clear that they are meant to 'save' or assist in saving him, maybe delivering would be the right word 3. The mad man actively came up with plans and contingencies for his 'war' with the indifference and yet also calls himself out for getting things wrong, such as the motivations of his doppleganger. Which makes me think he considered the possibility he could very well the 'bad guy' and need to be taken out. 4. Albrecht seems to have intentionally cultivated his messianic status in 1999, those figures tend to also end up martyrs, in mythology and real life.
I think the doppelgangers are a sign of a the man in the wall void infection, and with the void infection, it will consume the host, so the man in the wall can take over the mind and body, with that being said i think we are also infected too (more specificly the operator) and i believe albrechts infection is further along then ours. So, if what you say about the hex is right (and me with void infection), then they are a contingency for if the void infection takes over.
Im pretty sure that Arthur and Eleanor being Excal and Nyx respectfully, is just a nod by DE at their origins from DarkSector. Though in universe, if the two warframes are related, it may be the case that after the success of turning Arthur into Excalibur, Eleanor was given the Nyx strain due to an assumed compatibility. I am still firmly in the camp that Entrati brought Helminth back to 1999 instead of the Hex being a basis for the warframes we play.
I was in the same camp here but... I can't get over this weird coincidence. I get that it might be a nod but... story wise it really does muddy the waters with this idea
...Albrecht was the first to encounter the void, in order to beat the void he needs an operator, the void then finds a ship full of people in itself and makes a deal with one singular child. Who later becomes the operator. Warframe is turning into THE chicken or the egg story
We can then borrow Happy Chaos' answer to the Chicken and Egg question. The answer is the Omelet. The purpose comes before everything else. It doesn't matter which is the cause and which is the effect. What matters is what was intended, and what will be the intent. Considering how the Void reflects upon emotions and thoughts more than cold reality, I believe this is a possibility
"Eleanor? Are you there? Can you can you give my brain a hug please?" "Thank you" Welp im sold and now if anything happens to Amir i will be filled with violent rage.
The only question i have now is: IF the kinepage is able to send messages to the past/future, couls it also send messages to other universes/galaxies? Like, imagine if a few Sentients, left on Tau, recieved a signal saying: Lettie, i need a few medkits for the next mission.
The sentients gearing up for a second (third?) wave, suddenly one of the older sentients who absorb some archaic tech starts making pager noises and receiving messages, and they’re all like “what.”
Elenor's line of "I thought there was going to be 2 of you, where's the other one," implies that in past attempts, it was BOTH drifter and operator that travelled back.
You get there as a Warframe, one, she perceives two, operator and Warframe, but sees only one, so she's curious about where is the operator. Her psychic powers are kinda strong to perceived the suppressed ego of warframes.
The way the Indifference acts is probably one of the scariest things ive ever seen. It always is somewhere, watching us, and it always seems to know what we are doing. It also seems slightly indifferent to how our actions effect it. If it loses it just doesn't seem to care.
In my understanding of Warframe's time travel mechanics (I'll be writing a detailed explanation on reddit when I have the time but this is a simplification) every time any entity travels back in time it creates a new "canon" future for them to return to. The future they travelled from is no longer canon, yet exists in a mental timeline that led to the new future. So to put it into an example, there existed an original 1999, untouched by anyone. In the future of that timeline Albrecht time travelled to it the first time and did some unknown things. Then he came back into a new future affected by his changes. If someone, a god looked at the timeline now in 1999 Albrecht travelled from a place that didn't exist anymore and came back into a new future. The original timeline is buried under a new one, with the time travel being a diagonal staircase from the old future into the new past. All that is to say, my own interpretation of Eleanor's lines is that she remembers all of our previous interactions with the past, and we too have seen them all. Whispers in the wall, you are late? That is the first timeline we have edited, as us coming there and being told we're late created a new future we returned to. The fact that she says we'll make a difference this time around makes total sense knowing we didn't change anything "plotwise" during the whispers in the wall, just witnessed it (but the knowledge we witnessed still created a new future, although with an almost identical past)
My understanding is that for every "variation" (a choice or random outcome), there is a timeline where that happened. We experience a set line of events, but that's more from the limitations of our linear perspective. A god would see all variations, that's my understanding of what is meant by Wally being confined to "the Strands of Khra," he's forced to our linear perspective and can't just jump to the "instant win" scenario. Time Travel, from how I understand, possibly adds a new set of events. If a scenario has results A, B, and C, going back creates outcomes A1, A2, B1, B2, C1, and C2, where outcome 1 is just the alternate timeline, while 2 is the one where you change more than just what initially could have happened. More entities add more depth. If 1999 works on Outcome A, you also have A1 (original 1999), A2 (Albrecht's timeline, what we see in Whispers since we were too late to rewrite history), and A3 (Warframe: 1999 quest timeline). My interpretation is that Elanor has that level of awareness to see A1-3 (or possibly more, if there is a timeline where Operator actually does join the Drifter) simultaneously. We'll make a difference this time around because this time we are able to actually affect the timeline.
Normally I'd leave a comment speculating on the stuff you talked about, or coming up with some crackpot theories or connections... but I'm so hyped for 1999 I can't even do that right now! All I can say is that I "gotta get back, back to the past"!
1. I realized I'm stupid. For some reason it went totally past me that the item actually is called ARTHUR'S Kinepage. Probably because Kalymos led the way, I thought we took Albrecht's Kinepage, then apparently went blind and didn't read the name. Can't see the forest for the trees, just in reverse, I only saw the forest, not the tree I was running into. No wonder I was so confused about who the hell is sending the messages. 2. I do wonder about the madness of people turned Warframe. We have a few examples who didn't seem that mad to me at least. From an Orokin perspective maybe, but it's not a reliable perspective. That society in itself is quite unhinged. The autonomous Warframes seem more distressed and/or hyper focused on the thing they set out to do, than anything else. We have met and heard of a few now. They weren't transference controlled as far as I know, at least it wasn't specified to what degree the Orokin had to enforce control. Sorren, Jade and Umbra, are our best examples. None of them seemed all too unreasonable to me. Some angrier than others, sure. Some more free roaming than others, but mad? I wouldn't say that. Sorren has been disassociating, but displacing the self can be a response to trauma and guilt. Not being able to protect his partner and child, for example. (all while having his devotion to the Orokin tested by it) Jade we know little of, she has been defending the Stalker from the Tenno when the uprising happened, that we know. Other than that, her mental state is a question mark. Umbra was tortured and punished, his transformation served no purpose other than to entertain Ballas' perverse nature. After being forced to kill his own son, it's very understandable that revenge becomes the number one objective. Then I know of Dagath, who only went "mad" after she was decommissioned, which I think is a valid reason to be a bit rattled. If someone you like throws you away, after you have been happily catering to their every command..., don't think it wouldn't go down that well with most people. Then there is Dante, I don't think he even had any crack in his personality in the slightest. He made an attempt on his own life because of what he had found (when he was already a Waframe), but only to keep knowledge from ever getting into the wrong hands. Not because of madness. Correlation and causation, entangled, but not the same. Difficult to ride this line.
It's nice to know even in the grimdark future of Warframe my pager would still get a signal to annoy the shit out of some poor unfortunate Tenno. It's the little things that keep me going. ❤
I think the pager is able to connect to the past as it was found in the man in the wall’s domain so it likely is able to exist everywhere at once because of eternalism thus communication with it works from any time
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Interesting that some members of the Hex are from different ethnicities (Letty and Quincy) which implies that the world of Warframe might been way more similar to our own than we thought, with the same races and cultures
Well originally the game Dark Sector is what warframe was build upon, wich took place in our world and time. The proto excalibur skin DSiege is wearing is what Hayden Tenno (the original excalibur) looked like in that game. His name, Tenno, is where our name as the Tenno derives from originally. But that was when the operator / drifter wasnt part of the story yet and now this has retroactively changed because Tenno now derives from Ten-0 based on the Zariman Ten Zero (i think) and 1999 is how DE is rewriting warframe's origin story.
@@lumiauroras6741 it relates to the fact that prior to the things preluding this update, we were under the impression that earth underwent an alternate history and the Orokin Empire was far, far older than our own time.
@@AverageJ03Gaming Not necessarily, remember mention of the "radiation wars?" Up until 1999, I assumed WW3 happened and the original infested was a failed attempt to repair the damage. We were forced to advance quickly before our plague overtook our ability to continue using technology. I, for one, got excited that the mall canonized the Americas (at least USA and South America, referenced in some of the menu items).
Thank you so much for linking the songs used on the video, i've been trying to find them for a while then gave up. It's a rare thing to see nowadays and goes underappreciated by most people...
I didn't have a plan how my life will be as an adult, I don't have a licence yet and my profession is not available in both counties I can travel to in reasonable time. But one thing is certain, if this keeps on going, I'll be on the couch when Warframe 1999 comes out. That's the only plan I've left (I'm a console player, that's why I'll be on the couch, context matters😅)
MANNNNN, WITH EACH VID, i just keep getting more curious, and you make me excited for whats to find cuz god, you point out so much I missed or didn't connect. Thank you good sir.
Hey, first off, i just have to say amazing video as always, and it is amazing how you are able to lay all the peaces out and make sense of them! Secondly, i just want to share something that i am speculating with concerning Parvos Grannum. With Dante unbound and Jade shadows releaseing in the order that they did, it brings up an interesting idea, Parvos already made a chpalon back to the person they were. I say this because Parvos was the one who approached Druses and made a deal with him in Dante unbound, and in the next quest he tells Ordis that he CAN make him back to who he was as the best of bones it makes me think he has already done it to Druses. I hope this makes sense, and i can't wait to see what comes next
Is it possible that the Kalymos and Entrati we see enter the pod that loid smashes is actually the dopplegangers? The man in the wall could not easily follow back into the past, but he simply could use entrati's technology to give himself a path and once that was linked, he had a foothold.
Could Elenors elevated infestation level be a reference to where we get her Warframe real time? Also Lettie's difficulty showing emotion could be a reference where we get her Warframe in game.
27:14 When we first used the vessel we joined arthur in a scenario where we were too late. Loid himself said that next time we should just arrive on time instead, "I take care of what i'm best at: punctuality". He mentioned that when saying he will adjust the vessel. Eleanore probably saw that memory in our head and is glad we are now going far enough back in time to make a difference. Remember that all possibilities and points in time are real in the here and now, especially with the void involved. Well, until one is made definitive, through very special means. (maybe)
I believe we will, although I'm not sure how that will work.... Will DE really do another entire area that's only 1999, like how railjack has it's own nodes? Hmmm...
Each time the original timeline is interfered with another one branches off. Each time you try again and fail. The original slot changes. Good video good theory.
D- “Whose is he using to send us these messages? Clearly not Eleanor’s if anything else.” Arthur- “ I can’t keep borrowing Lettie’s forever” D.- “…ah.” 😐 Great bit 😂
By how we see that one note that name drops Arthur, he brings up balla’s warframes 28:40 Meaning that the prototypes came after at least the 1st generation of warframes
I think this is rly important to note for sure. A lot of people who theorize the protoframes were first conveniently don't consider this (also it would cause inconsistencies/paradoxes if the protoframes were first).
18:23 the phrase "duuppy know who fi frighten, and who fi tell goodnight" is really interesting once you break it down. Duppy means ghost/spirit (murmur) and many of us carribeans are deeply spiritual with some believing that spirits can interact with us and that there are spiritual mediums amongst us (tenno) who can help us ward off evil spirits. So when Quincy says "duppy knows who to frighten" he's referring to the people infected with the infestation in 1999.
Some of these vids take longer because of how much research I put into each one and I know that's not a good excuse but... I just want the things that I do put out to be as best as they can. I do apologize for the delay, believe me, fighting youtube's algorithm every video is absolutely a challenge. I'm surprised people see my videos at all sometimes to be honest.
What if quincy uses arrogance as i shield or something, and if he does betray the hex for their safeties such as making a deal with the alberct to keep them safe?
I think it's very understandable that they hate Entrati considering the way being transformed into a Warframe is being portrayed. Also I don't think Entrati cares if they like him or not. Them hating him sort of makes them do what he wants.
Personally, I believe the Hex and protoframes work like the Vex work in Destiny. The precursor Vex that look futuristic are actually from the past, and the Mossy old Vex are from the future. The Warframes we have come first, and Albrecht made the Hex after traveling back to another timeline where he made the protoframes.
I am somewhat confused. Did Entrati actively travel to and from 1999? If he took samples from the Hex and then took them back to Deimos, that would mean he would have traveled back and forth? Or are the giants from a 1999 Deimos and what we see in the labs are ancient, with the lab itself being from 1999? Or did he take the Hex to 1999 with him?
I'm pretty sure he went back and forth. We see Loid destroy the time machine on his last journey, so I'd assume he could have always come back if it were still operational.
I'm also curious as what Daughter's role in this will be if she has one, as On-Lyne only plays when you talk to her and not the other Entrati in the Necralisk
I'm really into this idea that Albrecht is actually Kalymos. The human albrecht is the man in the wall. I also hope that the hex faction will have different bounty quests depending on who you are possessing for an open world mission. That would be AWESOME! Maybe even a possible scarlet spear-ish mission with others while they are also possessed? I'm excited!
More amazing stuff! Despite it happening a few times, every time I'm curious what the quest marker in my orbiter means, despite having followed it a few times already...
The first time i got msg from Arthur I had been running missions with a friend (baby tenno) and had some serious issues when I was on Warframe. 0 issues when I was on Operator, but the second I hoped into my frame i had lags, skills didn’t work and so on. Couple missions like that, then when i get back to ship I get msg asking who took his pager.
I do find it interesting how wally is letting us set all these preparations up, surely he could've taken or destroyed the pager that was left in his sandy murmur domain
@@Voicelesstuba72 he likely views it as a futile but fun attempt. As Tagfer describes it, the entity wants to be a part of the whole cosmos we've got going on, but it doesn't know how, so its attempts at interaction are messy.
You're definetly the best channel when it comes to analyzing warframe lore! I had no idea of the cards regarding info on every hex member. Eleanor in my opinion is very concerning, to me the deadliest of them all. What if the tecnocyte inside her goes haywire and makes her lose control, or she becomes part of the hivemind? She could effectively mind control them all to do what she wants to some extent, looks like they are aware when eleanor is inside their mind so maybe they can resist? Also the line regarding arthur being extremely loyal to his sister mentioning that it could become problematic, so maybe the others would want to end her if she goes insane while arthur would protect her at any costs? I'm so excited for this update, even more than new war!
We've seen the void linked wormhole transport us long distances in mirror defence, I'M WONDERING is the old corpus ship a derelict in the current day. is it displaying that it can send us back in time? to before the corpus refitting of the fleet
I don't think i have seen this in the comments, but There also is a connection that can be drawn between calypso music's historic use and and how Octavia was used to signal the end of the orokin empire
I don't know if anyone has previously mentioned this - with reference to Arthur being the proto-warframe, there seems to be an example of art imitating life or vice versa as the case maybe in that sometimes when we load into a community hub area sometimes just before all the other players are rendered in we see them all as the base Excalibur body shape for a moment.
It be pretty funny if Entrati is actually in the Plaza with them. It would make sense bc its 1) close to the Hex. 2) A safe space. 3) Access to computers easily 4) IF Entrati is the one controlling Arthur when he’s using the computer, then there’s gotta be something that he is using to make that happen without using / little to no Void powers, (maybe has something similar to Lotus’ helmet?) 5) There’s gotta be a shop that was underdevelopment and is being covered by a façade or sorts. It’d make sense bc of of Entrati’s Kavat is able to lie down in thr middle of the plaza while no one is there. 6) He loves his kavat, aint no way he’s going to a place where there’s constant danger. 7) As to why he hasn’t shown himself to the Hex, he knows they want him dead, but the Tenno does not due to necessity. 8) Blue postules in the plaza could tell us where there has been void usage or where Manny looked. If it’s the latter then it could explain as to how the pager got to Lotus. 9) I think (in theory) Eleanor (Nyx) suit was nullified by Entrati bc of her psychic abilities, he made it so she can’t hear him or see him in the future. I think a lot…..too much
There's an interaction with Eleanor where she mentions it was supposed to be her with the Magnetic powers but Aoi took it from her. So I think it's specific strains.
I'm not sure if I'm missing it in the description or the comments, but if I may ask, what is that incredible track that you play for the title cards/'The Business'? I adore it to pieces!
25:00 it might be because Eleanor is his sister, someone hes known for a long long time. He would likely know how her presence feels, telepathically or physically. But he wouldnt be used to the presence of the Tenno, would he? 32:51 okay yeah it was mentioned 😭 i always comment before finishing the video
I think you're thinking of this as a terminator timeline when its far more back to the future with the strand of time being able to curve and loop to make certain times closer to eachother
I'm wondering how is loid gonna get us to 1999 being armed and armored and more specifically what are the time ripples gonna be like in the current time when we go back in time and change stuff. I'm curious to see what sacrifices and more importantly what are the consequences of us going back in time to mess with stuff
12:04 Restless leg syndrome is when your leg shakes violently during your sleep, often hurting partners. I don't think you or Amir has this, I think he's just a little jittery
With the new koumei update. I feel like with eternalism, the "dream" isn't really a dream at all, more so an alternate version of events that we get to participate in through koumei to stop it from happening in our timeline
@@TheDsIEGE shiiiiit... Yea our actions in the "vision" do nothing to stop it.., I'd hazard a guess that with the new on-lyne infested, the old infested in Cetus wake up out of fear?
@@TheDsIEGE I saw something about in Japanese the number 4 is unlucky, and the number 8 being an infinite loop. Most parts in the lyrics are repeated 4 times, but one part is repeated 8 times...
I'm sorry but good lord there is something oddly....enticing about Entrati's cadence post-exposure. like, am i the only one leaning into every word like they're pulling me along?
When it comes to prophecy, its not necessarily mean it will happen. If we look at the Duviri storyline, the drifter was executed so many times and each time the king or emperor tenno would reset the day of the execution, it was until there was an interference that led the drifter escape the loop. And now Lotus ask the drifter to help and got back to 1999 to find Entrati. So my question is, Does it matter who goes to 1999, If the Tenno goes instead of the Drifter, would the outcome be different? Entrati asks for the Tenno, but Lotus asks the Drifter, both of them are champions and I do believe choosing one of the other will affect the outcome in some way, it has to if they implemented to the game.
If nothing/everything else is variable, Wall-e is the perfect "antagonist" for a live service game. Neither good or evil, an indifferent God. Under Eternalism, if reality is the/a linear program, the Void is the computer housing it. The Man in The Wall is like Darkseid from the DC universe. The Darkseid anyone there encounters is just a physical avatar of a being that exists in a higher plane of existence. The body means little, what controls it cannot be truly killed. The key difference is where Darkseid is fixated on the undoing of material existence(the anti-life equation) , Wall-e is dealing cards and stacking hands to make the material plane "interesting". Eternalism states that all computations of events aren't just possible, but that they all actually happen and exist. Wall-e is the only being that natively exists in that nexus of all time and space, what the Orokin empire hoped to harness as beings native to the material plane.
I'm imagining there are going to be more "timeline elimination events", such as the one we saw on the Zariman, where the Operator accepts Wally's offer and sees countless other versions of themselves "ending"... But I can't really make any kind of speculative guesses on the matter; don't know enough about the events of 1999 yet - it's just that seeing the consequences of the Operator failing to (or being prevented from?) accepting the "void infection" left a strong impression on me. That said... Given Eleanor's awareness of other timelines, it makes me wonder how much she can tell us - what the limiting factors are... Like, are there points at which the very act of divulging too much information, of the type that one is normally unable to access in their own, timeline, will cause a split into yet another branch on the timeline tree, and that's why she can't just tell us what to (not) do/what is going to happen? Or, perhaps, she can share everything she knows with no consequence, but the information she recieves is either too limited in some way (i.e. she only sees flashing visions of single moments (as with the confrontation between Arthur and Excalibur), where she has to try and piece together the events she's just seen, speculate if they're related at all, what they imply, and if the information is even useful), or (which I think is more likely) there is simply too much information available; the information she seeks to aid her and the group in their current timeline is avilable and reachable to her, but buried in the infinity of other timelines, meaning that any useful information she gleans is merely stumbled upon serendipitously - or, perhaps the Eleanors of other timelines can act as connection points of an "information net", guiding the visiting minds of their other-timeline counterparts to the information they seek, making her potentially omniscient, but is cut off from such power because she can only channel the information through the limiting "lens" of her human(oid) mind... I also feel like there's a connection to be made between the actual time-travel that the Drifter (and their Warframes?) is going to be making, and Eleanor's insigth into other timelines; the source of both of these ways of non-standard interactions with time seem to be facilitated by the Helminth strain... And how different is the process of Helminth time-travel, vs. whatever approach Albrecht invented (unless he used the same process... But I find that unlikely, given the state of the labs in the Sanctum Anatomica, which house the Grey Strain giants, not the rampant growths of the infestation; I think Albrecht developed the "Helminth travel" on the spot in 1999, to allow the Drifter to follow him - but then again, the reason they seem different may simply be that he did not have access to "cleaner" samples of the infestation, like he did in his lab. Side note; if I was to bet on which one of the Warframe factions that developed any sort of time travel, it would have been through Corpus tech (Parvos?), Vor's connection to the Void, or the Tenno manipulating Orokin-era technology - not the out-of-control hyper-aggressive mutant hivemind being manipulated into doing space magic by a crazed, desperate, scientist... EDIT; Apologies for the ramble and/or flawed trains of thought - it is 6 AM...
Actually... Quill onkko makes references to choices forever closing off particular timelines so... we may come to find that some specific events as you mention could be catalysts for such a thing, and I'm wondering if the unum and the Quills are the real reason Koumei is being set in Cetus... I suppose we'll find out soon.
Honestly I wonder, where Hayden Tenno is in all of this, if he even exists or existed at all within this Story. But since Arthur looks so much like him, I wouldnt be surprised if Arthur IS Hayden
I think this quest will be revolutionary when it comes to WFs overall narrative. And TWITW and Jade Shadows Quest set something up: A Time Jump in The Origin System. Were going back in time to change something, I believe as a result: We will not return to the place and time we left. Jade Shadows had to come out before WF1999 to make this happen as we're likely retuning to a point where Orion/Sirius will be fully grown and The Stalker will not the character we remember. They gave Stalker a voice for a reason, I believe what will happen is, he's going to be retired as the Assassin we know and we will acquire him, along with a Gemini Skin. And we will have a new assassin, likely from either the Narmer or Murmur since that would much more appreciate. I also believe Orion/Sirius could be a feature players do want: A Fully customizable and modular warframe. This is purely speculation on my part, but due to JS and the Stalker themed Nighwave, we could very well be getting set up for a "Sacrifice" level quest where The Stalker is acquired.
@@TheDsIEGE Certainly looking that way. I only started playing just over a month ago but managed to catch up on the story so far. Really looking forward to 1999
I haven't seen anyone talk about "Sol", seems like an alternative word or name to 1999's god, yet Erra uses this word to express the place the sentients were sent by the orokin, something about that it has Sol and Tau.
First, I'd like to thank and welcome the channel's newest member @eleriavelaisen! Unfortunately I was not able to include you in the video's initial credits as it was already completed before I got notification of you joining. Rest assured, you will be in the next one so thank you and thank you to all my channel members for supporting our shared passion for the game with these videos, It really does mean the world to me and shows I actually do have a place here on UA-cam. That's... Well that's really special to me. Oh, Also... Please keep the PAGER jokes neutral, no WISHING HORRIBLE THINGS on other actual living people or groups. Keep it in the Warframe Universe and it's all good. At any rate, I hope you enjoy the video!!!
The lyrics of "Into the Void", try compare it with 1999 premise
What are pager jokes XD
Heeeey, no worries about that!
Excellent video, as always. Worth the wait of the tech issues. Wally can try, but he can't stop the signal.
What he can stop, is jumpscaring me on my orbiter, but that's a whole other issue.
Honestly at 1st when I saw the original tease of WF 1999 I was like "OK so DE just came up with the same idea for Warframe origins as I did" When it comes to why we have so many unique designs when with the lore behind Alad V and Zanuka, Stalker, and Helminth we know Orokin could just make them all look exactly the same, like proxies off of factory line, and just install whatever powers they needed in them, basically each specific design is a tribute to a "Hero of the past", but with lore Entratis entries provide it seems like DE didn't do so, otherwise they would lunge themselves knees deep into "creator paradox"
I have to say it, Arthur took his hair cut straight out of Treasure Planet, Titan A.E. and most other movies from that time period.
I couldn't agree with you more, lol
dear men: wear this haircut more often 😩
Titan a.e. mentioned, epic
@@jacobmc9738 he's got that "animated by Don Bluth" hair
A lot of us had similar hair back then😂
Having that thing beeping on my orbiter combined with a nice "hey kiddo" when I was about to use it. Ain't for the weak hearted
The more I think about it, the more I am beginning to ponder if the Hex are essentially meant to function as a form of fail safe in the event that Entrati turns villain. The primary purpose of the team may not be necessarily to deal with Albrecht but in the event that he does start acting up then he knows that they 'should' be enough to deal with him.
I mean let's think about this for a moment:
1. Albrecht has it in his head that he may have never escaped from his initial encounter with the man in the wall.
2. Notes about the Hex from Entrati make it clear that they are meant to 'save' or assist in saving him, maybe delivering would be the right word
3. The mad man actively came up with plans and contingencies for his 'war' with the indifference and yet also calls himself out for getting things wrong, such as the motivations of his doppleganger. Which makes me think he considered the possibility he could very well the 'bad guy' and need to be taken out.
4. Albrecht seems to have intentionally cultivated his messianic status in 1999, those figures tend to also end up martyrs, in mythology and real life.
I think the doppelgangers are a sign of a the man in the wall void infection, and with the void infection, it will consume the host, so the man in the wall can take over the mind and body, with that being said i think we are also infected too (more specificly the operator) and i believe albrechts infection is further along then ours.
So, if what you say about the hex is right (and me with void infection), then they are a contingency for if the void infection takes over.
@DyingDarkStar yeah I think we're both still a tad far off from what rells had cooking inside him
Oh man this is so interesting. Liked
@JeremyTheBreadKnife yeah definitely i think what happened to rell could happen to our operator if left untreated.
@DyingDarkStar I mean we kind of are swapping who's under the influence of the indifference right? I'm sure two of us are harder to break than one
Im pretty sure that Arthur and Eleanor being Excal and Nyx respectfully, is just a nod by DE at their origins from DarkSector. Though in universe, if the two warframes are related, it may be the case that after the success of turning Arthur into Excalibur, Eleanor was given the Nyx strain due to an assumed compatibility.
I am still firmly in the camp that Entrati brought Helminth back to 1999 instead of the Hex being a basis for the warframes we play.
I was in the same camp here but... I can't get over this weird coincidence. I get that it might be a nod but... story wise it really does muddy the waters with this idea
it’s definitely a nod. it’s just like them to do this.
well the big thing in warframe is eternalism. so aurthur will be and has always been Excalibur and has also never been excalibur.
...Albrecht was the first to encounter the void, in order to beat the void he needs an operator, the void then finds a ship full of people in itself and makes a deal with one singular child. Who later becomes the operator. Warframe is turning into THE chicken or the egg story
Couldn't agree with you more on this...
Time paradoxes are a real mind screw...
We can then borrow Happy Chaos' answer to the Chicken and Egg question. The answer is the Omelet.
The purpose comes before everything else. It doesn't matter which is the cause and which is the effect. What matters is what was intended, and what will be the intent. Considering how the Void reflects upon emotions and thoughts more than cold reality, I believe this is a possibility
@@MorningLightMtnOne absurd story helping to explain another.
"Eleanor? Are you there? Can you can you give my brain a hug please?" "Thank you"
Welp im sold and now if anything happens to Amir i will be filled with violent rage.
Brother/sister, same. Same.
@@HowardVangorder it was nice of Eleanor to oblige his request…
Motherfucker gonna bring down the entirety of 1999 if something bad happens to Amir
"this is Amir and ive only known him a day and a half but if anything happens to him i will kill everyone in this room and then myself"
The fact that we can romance these characters make me worried that it will limit what can happen to them or what they're able to do
The only question i have now is:
IF the kinepage is able to send messages to the past/future, couls it also send messages to other universes/galaxies?
Like, imagine if a few Sentients, left on Tau, recieved a signal saying: Lettie, i need a few medkits for the next mission.
I really can't see why it couldn't.
@@Sir.Rodrigo.A seria no mínimo engraçado
The sentients gearing up for a second (third?) wave, suddenly one of the older sentients who absorb some archaic tech starts making pager noises and receiving messages, and they’re all like “what.”
I am an old school fan, and im loving how Dark Sector's being reborn into Warframe 1999
Elenor's line of "I thought there was going to be 2 of you, where's the other one," implies that in past attempts, it was BOTH drifter and operator that travelled back.
I'm p sure it has to do with her reading minds
Or she meant the man in the wall
Oh there’s 3 replies here but only 2 ARE SHOWING. 🔥😁
You get there as a Warframe, one, she perceives two, operator and Warframe, but sees only one, so she's curious about where is the operator. Her psychic powers are kinda strong to perceived the suppressed ego of warframes.
Well we can only visit as the Warframe she could be talking about the Warframe being singular as well as the operator/drifter
The way the Indifference acts is probably one of the scariest things ive ever seen. It always is somewhere, watching us, and it always seems to know what we are doing. It also seems slightly indifferent to how our actions effect it. If it loses it just doesn't seem to care.
Oiling up before the video starts.
This one is gonna get saucy so... that should work
They let Diddy out already?!
@@unk_GHOST No Diddy
Hakan from Super Street Fighter IV, is that you? :O
I put Arthur's pager in orbiter, i hope there no explosion when i back
Me too!!! That being said, put it somewhere you won't miss just in case, you know?
Oooo… too early?
Naaah
@@TheDsIEGE Vô colocar na boca do helminth kkk
LOL
Has anyone flipped the lotus eaters load screen picture upside down, and seen a city in ruins with the mouth coming out of the 'ground ' ?
I have not, but will try it today!
@@danerule7326 no
In my understanding of Warframe's time travel mechanics (I'll be writing a detailed explanation on reddit when I have the time but this is a simplification) every time any entity travels back in time it creates a new "canon" future for them to return to. The future they travelled from is no longer canon, yet exists in a mental timeline that led to the new future. So to put it into an example, there existed an original 1999, untouched by anyone. In the future of that timeline Albrecht time travelled to it the first time and did some unknown things. Then he came back into a new future affected by his changes. If someone, a god looked at the timeline now in 1999 Albrecht travelled from a place that didn't exist anymore and came back into a new future. The original timeline is buried under a new one, with the time travel being a diagonal staircase from the old future into the new past. All that is to say, my own interpretation of Eleanor's lines is that she remembers all of our previous interactions with the past, and we too have seen them all. Whispers in the wall, you are late? That is the first timeline we have edited, as us coming there and being told we're late created a new future we returned to. The fact that she says we'll make a difference this time around makes total sense knowing we didn't change anything "plotwise" during the whispers in the wall, just witnessed it (but the knowledge we witnessed still created a new future, although with an almost identical past)
My understanding is that for every "variation" (a choice or random outcome), there is a timeline where that happened. We experience a set line of events, but that's more from the limitations of our linear perspective. A god would see all variations, that's my understanding of what is meant by Wally being confined to "the Strands of Khra," he's forced to our linear perspective and can't just jump to the "instant win" scenario.
Time Travel, from how I understand, possibly adds a new set of events. If a scenario has results A, B, and C, going back creates outcomes A1, A2, B1, B2, C1, and C2, where outcome 1 is just the alternate timeline, while 2 is the one where you change more than just what initially could have happened. More entities add more depth. If 1999 works on Outcome A, you also have A1 (original 1999), A2 (Albrecht's timeline, what we see in Whispers since we were too late to rewrite history), and A3 (Warframe: 1999 quest timeline).
My interpretation is that Elanor has that level of awareness to see A1-3 (or possibly more, if there is a timeline where Operator actually does join the Drifter) simultaneously. We'll make a difference this time around because this time we are able to actually affect the timeline.
Normally I'd leave a comment speculating on the stuff you talked about, or coming up with some crackpot theories or connections... but I'm so hyped for 1999 I can't even do that right now! All I can say is that I "gotta get back, back to the past"!
tenno jack
I feel the same way, if i could skip life til december I might actually consider it.
1. I realized I'm stupid.
For some reason it went totally past me that the item actually is called ARTHUR'S Kinepage.
Probably because Kalymos led the way, I thought we took Albrecht's Kinepage, then apparently went blind and didn't read the name.
Can't see the forest for the trees, just in reverse, I only saw the forest, not the tree I was running into.
No wonder I was so confused about who the hell is sending the messages.
2. I do wonder about the madness of people turned Warframe.
We have a few examples who didn't seem that mad to me at least.
From an Orokin perspective maybe, but it's not a reliable perspective. That society in itself is quite unhinged.
The autonomous Warframes seem more distressed and/or hyper focused on the thing they set out to do, than anything else.
We have met and heard of a few now.
They weren't transference controlled as far as I know, at least it wasn't specified to what degree the Orokin had to enforce control.
Sorren, Jade and Umbra, are our best examples.
None of them seemed all too unreasonable to me.
Some angrier than others, sure.
Some more free roaming than others, but mad? I wouldn't say that.
Sorren has been disassociating, but displacing the self can be a response to trauma and guilt. Not being able to protect his partner and child, for example.
(all while having his devotion to the Orokin tested by it)
Jade we know little of, she has been defending the Stalker from the Tenno when the uprising happened, that we know.
Other than that, her mental state is a question mark.
Umbra was tortured and punished, his transformation served no purpose other than to entertain Ballas' perverse nature.
After being forced to kill his own son, it's very understandable that revenge becomes the number one objective.
Then I know of Dagath, who only went "mad" after she was decommissioned, which I think is a valid reason to be a bit rattled.
If someone you like throws you away, after you have been happily catering to their every command..., don't think it wouldn't go down that well with most people.
Then there is Dante, I don't think he even had any crack in his personality in the slightest.
He made an attempt on his own life because of what he had found (when he was already a Waframe), but only to keep knowledge from ever getting into the wrong hands.
Not because of madness.
Correlation and causation, entangled, but not the same. Difficult to ride this line.
As a huge DsIEGE fan, This is your best video yet. When 1999 drops, your going to be on top of this.
Thank you!!! I'm gonna keep trying new things to make it entertaining, I'm glad you enjoy it!!!
It's nice to know even in the grimdark future of Warframe my pager would still get a signal to annoy the shit out of some poor unfortunate Tenno. It's the little things that keep me going. ❤
It's really great service they have there. Even in the worst of times, you can count on Entrati Mobile...
I think the pager is able to connect to the past as it was found in the man in the wall’s domain so it likely is able to exist everywhere at once because of eternalism thus communication with it works from any time
We need that data plan in our universe stat. Wonder what it cost? Perhaps our very soul?
@@TheDsIEGEit will cost a finger
Yay! Siege is back! 💜
And the "Join" button has been used to full advantage!
Come on people...$2.99 per month is nothing when you consider the depth of the content and the work that goes into making it, let alone that this is by far the most interesting Warframe content on UA-cam!
Thank you so much!!!! I can't even explain how much it means and helps... Times are kinda tough right now, so... I can't thank you enough
@@TheDsIEGE More than a pleasure, sir. Need to make sure that my Siege fix is incoming!
Interesting that some members of the Hex are from different ethnicities (Letty and Quincy) which implies that the world of Warframe might been way more similar to our own than we thought, with the same races and cultures
Well originally the game Dark Sector is what warframe was build upon, wich took place in our world and time.
The proto excalibur skin DSiege is wearing is what Hayden Tenno (the original excalibur) looked like in that game.
His name, Tenno, is where our name as the Tenno derives from originally.
But that was when the operator / drifter wasnt part of the story yet and now this has retroactively changed because Tenno now derives from Ten-0 based on the Zariman Ten Zero (i think) and 1999 is how DE is rewriting warframe's origin story.
Wtf does that even mean? Of course it's similar to our world! It all started on Earth afterall
@@lumiauroras6741 it relates to the fact that prior to the things preluding this update, we were under the impression that earth underwent an alternate history and the Orokin Empire was far, far older than our own time.
@@AverageJ03Gaming sure that was assumed by many but nothing really pointed to that and just as many assumed it was a normal earth like ours.
@@AverageJ03Gaming Not necessarily, remember mention of the "radiation wars?" Up until 1999, I assumed WW3 happened and the original infested was a failed attempt to repair the damage. We were forced to advance quickly before our plague overtook our ability to continue using technology.
I, for one, got excited that the mall canonized the Americas (at least USA and South America, referenced in some of the menu items).
Thank you so much for linking the songs used on the video, i've been trying to find them for a while then gave up. It's a rare thing to see nowadays and goes underappreciated by most people...
No worries, I try to give credit to the original youtube video as well, sometimes I miss a few if I'm rushing for the premier.
Might be late in realizing this, but the man in the wall like smile is exactly at 12:00 on the clock.
What happens next is real question...
@@TheDsIEGE y2k is real and we have to save the world by reprogramming all the computers in time
I didn't have a plan how my life will be as an adult, I don't have a licence yet and my profession is not available in both counties I can travel to in reasonable time. But one thing is certain, if this keeps on going, I'll be on the couch when Warframe 1999 comes out. That's the only plan I've left
(I'm a console player, that's why I'll be on the couch, context matters😅)
MANNNNN, WITH EACH VID, i just keep getting more curious, and you make me excited for whats to find cuz god, you point out so much I missed or didn't connect. Thank you good sir.
I'm glad you're enjoying it!!! I love making these things!!
My fav lore channel using my all time favourite game franchise intro….what a lovely day
It was just too good not to, lol
Hey, first off, i just have to say amazing video as always, and it is amazing how you are able to lay all the peaces out and make sense of them!
Secondly, i just want to share something that i am speculating with concerning Parvos Grannum. With Dante unbound and Jade shadows releaseing in the order that they did, it brings up an interesting idea, Parvos already made a chpalon back to the person they were. I say this because Parvos was the one who approached Druses and made a deal with him in Dante unbound, and in the next quest he tells Ordis that he CAN make him back to who he was as the best of bones it makes me think he has already done it to Druses.
I hope this makes sense, and i can't wait to see what comes next
Is it possible that the Kalymos and Entrati we see enter the pod that loid smashes is actually the dopplegangers? The man in the wall could not easily follow back into the past, but he simply could use entrati's technology to give himself a path and once that was linked, he had a foothold.
WE GOT OURSELVES A BOOT STRAP PARADOX BOYS!
Was about to say the Doom Eternal soundtrack would mesh well with the riffs in the beginning of the vid... I see you are a man of culture 😂
Could Elenors elevated infestation level be a reference to where we get her Warframe real time? Also Lettie's difficulty showing emotion could be a reference where we get her Warframe in game.
27:14 When we first used the vessel we joined arthur in a scenario where we were too late. Loid himself said that next time we should just arrive on time instead, "I take care of what i'm best at: punctuality". He mentioned that when saying he will adjust the vessel.
Eleanore probably saw that memory in our head and is glad we are now going far enough back in time to make a difference.
Remember that all possibilities and points in time are real in the here and now, especially with the void involved.
Well, until one is made definitive, through very special means. (maybe)
I also hope we get protoframes for everywarframe at some point
I believe we will, although I'm not sure how that will work.... Will DE really do another entire area that's only 1999, like how railjack has it's own nodes? Hmmm...
Each time the original timeline is interfered with another one branches off. Each time you try again and fail. The original slot changes. Good video good theory.
D- “Whose is he using to send us these messages? Clearly not Eleanor’s if anything else.”
Arthur- “ I can’t keep borrowing Lettie’s forever”
D.- “…ah.” 😐
Great bit 😂
Thank you! Gotta throw a little fun in these videos periodically too, spice it up a bit, lol
By how we see that one note that name drops Arthur, he brings up balla’s warframes 28:40
Meaning that the prototypes came after at least the 1st generation of warframes
I think this is rly important to note for sure. A lot of people who theorize the protoframes were first conveniently don't consider this (also it would cause inconsistencies/paradoxes if the protoframes were first).
As a Nyx main I'm all here for the mindbenders this update is gonna throw at us.
@@mattd5857 💯%
awesome video as always!! wish we could time travel to december bc the hype for 1999 is real omg
you and me both... and the crazy thing is we have a mini quest still to come before that!!
18:23 the phrase "duuppy know who fi frighten, and who fi tell goodnight" is really interesting once you break it down.
Duppy means ghost/spirit (murmur) and many of us carribeans are deeply spiritual with some believing that spirits can interact with us and that there are spiritual mediums amongst us (tenno) who can help us ward off evil spirits.
So when Quincy says "duppy knows who to frighten" he's referring to the people infected with the infestation in 1999.
Good job, you managed to get it working!
Too long since you have talked at us, but none the less thank you for doing so!
Some of these vids take longer because of how much research I put into each one and I know that's not a good excuse but... I just want the things that I do put out to be as best as they can. I do apologize for the delay, believe me, fighting youtube's algorithm every video is absolutely a challenge. I'm surprised people see my videos at all sometimes to be honest.
the voice acting of the Hex is so good, voice acting in general i'd say... 1999 is gonna be such a treat
I've seen the video being posted, but I just had to watch it today for my birthday. Today being a good day and all😄
Happy birthday and I hope it was a worthy gift to you!!!
As always you never miss to entertain us and give us more headacke ❤😂
I feel like that's my sole role on this channel, so... I have achieved my goal!! Thank you!
THIS IS CINEMA!!! I LOVE THEDSIEGE 🗣🔥‼
What if quincy uses arrogance as i shield or something, and if he does betray the hex for their safeties such as making a deal with the alberct to keep them safe?
That's possible too, a kind of severus snape character... I hope cause otherwise I'd like to slap quincy upside the noggin
@@TheDsIEGEhe would kinda deserve it
I think it's very understandable that they hate Entrati considering the way being transformed into a Warframe is being portrayed. Also I don't think Entrati cares if they like him or not. Them hating him sort of makes them do what he wants.
Personally, I believe the Hex and protoframes work like the Vex work in Destiny.
The precursor Vex that look futuristic are actually from the past, and the Mossy old Vex are from the future.
The Warframes we have come first, and Albrecht made the Hex after traveling back to another timeline where he made the protoframes.
You could very much be onto something here...
I am somewhat confused. Did Entrati actively travel to and from 1999? If he took samples from the Hex and then took them back to Deimos, that would mean he would have traveled back and forth? Or are the giants from a 1999 Deimos and what we see in the labs are ancient, with the lab itself being from 1999? Or did he take the Hex to 1999 with him?
I'm pretty sure he went back and forth. We see Loid destroy the time machine on his last journey, so I'd assume he could have always come back if it were still operational.
I'm also curious as what Daughter's role in this will be if she has one, as On-Lyne only plays when you talk to her and not the other Entrati in the Necralisk
Maybe she’ll teach us about the infested liches
Wake up babe new TheDsIEGE video has dropped
I hope you enjoyed it!!!!
@@TheDsIEGE Always, my guy!
I'm really into this idea that Albrecht is actually Kalymos. The human albrecht is the man in the wall.
I also hope that the hex faction will have different bounty quests depending on who you are possessing for an open world mission. That would be AWESOME! Maybe even a possible scarlet spear-ish mission with others while they are also possessed? I'm excited!
I actually like that too!!
More amazing stuff! Despite it happening a few times, every time I'm curious what the quest marker in my orbiter means, despite having followed it a few times already...
I love seeing that thing light up, what, almost weekly now!
Their mall reminds me a _lot_ of The Oldest View.
Leticia García "Lettie" (Trinity) speaks Español with Argentine accent and lingo 🇦🇷
I can't help but think back to the endless struggle of the Deimos worms - Vome (Order) and Fass (Chaos)
Excellent analogy here!!!
The first time i got msg from Arthur I had been running missions with a friend (baby tenno) and had some serious issues when I was on Warframe. 0 issues when I was on Operator, but the second I hoped into my frame i had lags, skills didn’t work and so on. Couple missions like that, then when i get back to ship I get msg asking who took his pager.
Does anyone know what fashionframe stuff is going on at 6:52? I love the look and very much wish to have it for my own fashionframe shenanigans.
I do find it interesting how wally is letting us set all these preparations up, surely he could've taken or destroyed the pager that was left in his sandy murmur domain
@@Voicelesstuba72 he likely views it as a futile but fun attempt.
As Tagfer describes it, the entity wants to be a part of the whole cosmos we've got going on, but it doesn't know how, so its attempts at interaction are messy.
You're definetly the best channel when it comes to analyzing warframe lore! I had no idea of the cards regarding info on every hex member. Eleanor in my opinion is very concerning, to me the deadliest of them all. What if the tecnocyte inside her goes haywire and makes her lose control, or she becomes part of the hivemind? She could effectively mind control them all to do what she wants to some extent, looks like they are aware when eleanor is inside their mind so maybe they can resist? Also the line regarding arthur being extremely loyal to his sister mentioning that it could become problematic, so maybe the others would want to end her if she goes insane while arthur would protect her at any costs? I'm so excited for this update, even more than new war!
A quote that describes the entirety of the hex is "Oh no, they're hot." I swear
We've seen the void linked wormhole transport us long distances in mirror defence, I'M WONDERING is the old corpus ship a derelict in the current day. is it displaying that it can send us back in time? to before the corpus refitting of the fleet
This whole thing opens up a completely new way to look at the warframe timeline, does it not? like... what do we really know anymore???
I wonder if Entrati was the one who subtly influenced Ballas to create the Warframes?
I don't think i have seen this in the comments, but There also is a connection that can be drawn between calypso music's historic use and and how Octavia was used to signal the end of the orokin empire
I don't know if anyone has previously mentioned this - with reference to Arthur being the proto-warframe, there seems to be an example of art imitating life or vice versa as the case maybe in that sometimes when we load into a community hub area sometimes just before all the other players are rendered in we see them all as the base Excalibur body shape for a moment.
About why the pager can receive messages across time: it uses a host system. Meaning they should indeed theoratically work across time.
Still want that pager. For Nostalgia too. I used to own one myself...
It be pretty funny if Entrati is actually in the Plaza with them.
It would make sense bc its
1) close to the Hex.
2) A safe space.
3) Access to computers easily
4) IF Entrati is the one controlling Arthur when he’s using the computer, then there’s gotta be something that he is using to make that happen without using / little to no Void powers, (maybe has something similar to Lotus’ helmet?)
5) There’s gotta be a shop that was underdevelopment and is being covered by a façade or sorts. It’d make sense bc of of Entrati’s Kavat is able to lie down in thr middle of the plaza while no one is there.
6) He loves his kavat, aint no way he’s going to a place where there’s constant danger.
7) As to why he hasn’t shown himself to the Hex, he knows they want him dead, but the Tenno does not due to necessity.
8) Blue postules in the plaza could tell us where there has been void usage or where Manny looked. If it’s the latter then it could explain as to how the pager got to Lotus.
9) I think (in theory) Eleanor (Nyx) suit was nullified by Entrati bc of her psychic abilities, he made it so she can’t hear him or see him in the future.
I think a lot…..too much
There's an interaction with Eleanor where she mentions it was supposed to be her with the Magnetic powers but Aoi took it from her. So I think it's specific strains.
I'm not sure if I'm missing it in the description or the comments, but if I may ask, what is that incredible track that you play for the title cards/'The Business'? I adore it to pieces!
I always enjoy the content, but that DOOM intro moment was unexpected and I love it.
It just felt right...
Can't wait to make aoi my wife. Great vid as always Siege. Also really excited to explore the city.
Thank you and that works, you take her and I'll take Eleanor.
@@TheDsIEGE deal
@@TheDsIEGE aww maan i wanted Eleonor 😭
25:00 it might be because Eleanor is his sister, someone hes known for a long long time. He would likely know how her presence feels, telepathically or physically. But he wouldnt be used to the presence of the Tenno, would he?
32:51 okay yeah it was mentioned 😭 i always comment before finishing the video
No worries!!! I appreciate the engagement and... it means you got your thinking cap on during the vid so for that... I applaud you!
I think you're thinking of this as a terminator timeline when its far more back to the future with the strand of time being able to curve and loop to make certain times closer to eachother
26:28 MRRROOOOOOWWWWWWW 🗣
I thought about using a different recording for there but then I thought.... Nay.
Well I'm glad you kept it in
I'm wondering how is loid gonna get us to 1999 being armed and armored and more specifically what are the time ripples gonna be like in the current time when we go back in time and change stuff. I'm curious to see what sacrifices and more importantly what are the consequences of us going back in time to mess with stuff
Where do you find the notes 8:35
12:04 Restless leg syndrome is when your leg shakes violently during your sleep, often hurting partners. I don't think you or Amir has this, I think he's just a little jittery
I definitely do... He may not, this is true.
The fun is going to begin soon
I promise I won't be late this time...
@@TheDsIEGE better not be because the party will begin soon
With the new koumei update.
I feel like with eternalism, the "dream" isn't really a dream at all, more so an alternate version of events that we get to participate in through koumei to stop it from happening in our timeline
What's really messed up is in her song, koumei actually tells us our efforts are futile...
@@TheDsIEGE oooo I need to find the lyrics in English then 😅
@@TheDsIEGE shiiiiit... Yea our actions in the "vision" do nothing to stop it.., I'd hazard a guess that with the new on-lyne infested, the old infested in Cetus wake up out of fear?
@@TheDsIEGE I saw something about in Japanese the number 4 is unlucky, and the number 8 being an infinite loop.
Most parts in the lyrics are repeated 4 times, but one part is repeated 8 times...
I don't know if anyone else pointed this out yet, but a certain boss drops the component blueprints for Nyx... What an interring connection.
That's actually a really interesting point and... speaks to her eventual infested... problems.
Anyone else noticing Aoi's parallels with Lotus? Like she's a maternal figure associated with metal and the infestation is trying to corrupt her.
Probably Eleanor would be more like the basis for the female vessels considering the possible effects of being vulnerable to the void.
I'm sorry but good lord there is something oddly....enticing about Entrati's cadence post-exposure. like, am i the only one leaning into every word like they're pulling me along?
No, you are definitely not alone there...
When it comes to prophecy, its not necessarily mean it will happen. If we look at the Duviri storyline, the drifter was executed so many times and each time the king or emperor tenno would reset the day of the execution, it was until there was an interference that led the drifter escape the loop. And now Lotus ask the drifter to help and got back to 1999 to find Entrati. So my question is, Does it matter who goes to 1999, If the Tenno goes instead of the Drifter, would the outcome be different? Entrati asks for the Tenno, but Lotus asks the Drifter, both of them are champions and I do believe choosing one of the other will affect the outcome in some way, it has to if they implemented to the game.
If nothing/everything else is variable, Wall-e is the perfect "antagonist" for a live service game.
Neither good or evil, an indifferent God. Under Eternalism, if reality is the/a linear program, the Void is the computer housing it. The Man in The Wall is like Darkseid from the DC universe. The Darkseid anyone there encounters is just a physical avatar of a being that exists in a higher plane of existence. The body means little, what controls it cannot be truly killed. The key difference is where Darkseid is fixated on the undoing of material existence(the anti-life equation) , Wall-e is dealing cards and stacking hands to make the material plane "interesting".
Eternalism states that all computations of events aren't just possible, but that they all actually happen and exist. Wall-e is the only being that natively exists in that nexus of all time and space, what the Orokin empire hoped to harness as beings native to the material plane.
I'm imagining there are going to be more "timeline elimination events", such as the one we saw on the Zariman, where the Operator accepts Wally's offer and sees countless other versions of themselves "ending"... But I can't really make any kind of speculative guesses on the matter; don't know enough about the events of 1999 yet - it's just that seeing the consequences of the Operator failing to (or being prevented from?) accepting the "void infection" left a strong impression on me.
That said... Given Eleanor's awareness of other timelines, it makes me wonder how much she can tell us - what the limiting factors are... Like, are there points at which the very act of divulging too much information, of the type that one is normally unable to access in their own, timeline, will cause a split into yet another branch on the timeline tree, and that's why she can't just tell us what to (not) do/what is going to happen? Or, perhaps, she can share everything she knows with no consequence, but the information she recieves is either too limited in some way (i.e. she only sees flashing visions of single moments (as with the confrontation between Arthur and Excalibur), where she has to try and piece together the events she's just seen, speculate if they're related at all, what they imply, and if the information is even useful), or (which I think is more likely) there is simply too much information available; the information she seeks to aid her and the group in their current timeline is avilable and reachable to her, but buried in the infinity of other timelines, meaning that any useful information she gleans is merely stumbled upon serendipitously - or, perhaps the Eleanors of other timelines can act as connection points of an "information net", guiding the visiting minds of their other-timeline counterparts to the information they seek, making her potentially omniscient, but is cut off from such power because she can only channel the information through the limiting "lens" of her human(oid) mind...
I also feel like there's a connection to be made between the actual time-travel that the Drifter (and their Warframes?) is going to be making, and Eleanor's insigth into other timelines; the source of both of these ways of non-standard interactions with time seem to be facilitated by the Helminth strain... And how different is the process of Helminth time-travel, vs. whatever approach Albrecht invented (unless he used the same process... But I find that unlikely, given the state of the labs in the Sanctum Anatomica, which house the Grey Strain giants, not the rampant growths of the infestation; I think Albrecht developed the "Helminth travel" on the spot in 1999, to allow the Drifter to follow him - but then again, the reason they seem different may simply be that he did not have access to "cleaner" samples of the infestation, like he did in his lab.
Side note; if I was to bet on which one of the Warframe factions that developed any sort of time travel, it would have been through Corpus tech (Parvos?), Vor's connection to the Void, or the Tenno manipulating Orokin-era technology - not the out-of-control hyper-aggressive mutant hivemind being manipulated into doing space magic by a crazed, desperate, scientist...
EDIT; Apologies for the ramble and/or flawed trains of thought - it is 6 AM...
Actually... Quill onkko makes references to choices forever closing off particular timelines so... we may come to find that some specific events as you mention could be catalysts for such a thing, and I'm wondering if the unum and the Quills are the real reason Koumei is being set in Cetus... I suppose we'll find out soon.
Honestly I wonder, where Hayden Tenno is in all of this, if he even exists or existed at all within this Story. But since Arthur looks so much like him, I wouldnt be surprised if Arthur IS Hayden
I think this quest will be revolutionary when it comes to WFs overall narrative.
And TWITW and Jade Shadows Quest set something up: A Time Jump in The Origin System.
Were going back in time to change something, I believe as a result: We will not return to the place and time we left.
Jade Shadows had to come out before WF1999 to make this happen as we're likely retuning to a point where Orion/Sirius will be fully grown and The Stalker will not the character we remember.
They gave Stalker a voice for a reason, I believe what will happen is, he's going to be retired as the Assassin we know and we will acquire him, along with a Gemini Skin.
And we will have a new assassin, likely from either the Narmer or Murmur since that would much more appreciate.
I also believe Orion/Sirius could be a feature players do want: A Fully customizable and modular warframe.
This is purely speculation on my part, but due to JS and the Stalker themed Nighwave, we could very well be getting set up for a "Sacrifice" level quest where The Stalker is acquired.
Ngl this is the first time in warframe I can’t predict what’s gonna happen
That's what makes it GREAT!
Great vid. New to the channel but definitely worth a sub.
Thank you!!! This year is gonna be a crazy lore year for Warframe, and I'll be here for all of it!!! Plenty more on the way
@@TheDsIEGE Certainly looking that way. I only started playing just over a month ago but managed to catch up on the story so far. Really looking forward to 1999
I'm a Volt too :)))
I'm sure we'll get answers to at least a quarter of these questions when 1999 drops.
If we're lucky!
23:31 I see what you did there.
unicorn...
It never Rains, but it pours..
13:53 Trinidad Mentioned!!! Trinidad Mentioned!! Trinidad Mentioned!! 🇹🇹🇹🇹🇹🇹
@@bombbasher bro ikr this was my reaction too lol we don't get many shoutouts in media 😂
I haven't seen anyone talk about "Sol", seems like an alternative word or name to 1999's god, yet Erra uses this word to express the place the sentients were sent by the orokin, something about that it has Sol and Tau.
I'm actually working on a short vid on that exact thing as we speak...
The data plan joked made me chuckle
*end video*
One good thing at a time
Can you list your background music? I'm loving some of those tracks.
It should be in the description
@@TheDsIEGE Not all of them, just the tracks you used in the intro.
Question will there be more proto frames. Like you said in a previous video rhino and saryen or ember, Valkyr ect.
I believe their will be...