For the record I was going to premier this yesterday but... it felt very boring and... odd at times when reading the dialogue in certain parts so... I decided to make those parts a bit more... Dynamic. Hopefully you'll enjoy the change, Personally I wouldn't have released the video without it but... I suppose it will be up to you in the end. I'm pretty certain you'll notice which parts were... "enhanced" one you hear them, lol. But... sorry for the delay. I don't like releasing content unless I'm very happy with the end product, probably even to my channel's detriment, but... I really do care about what I put in front of you.
Just me, but I will banish you and any video you ever make to the void for all eternity if I see you put anything that even comes close to being perceived as a quest spoiler in your thumbnail or video title this close t a quest release, and you are one of my favorites, so please stay FAR FAR away from anything that could even remotely come feasibly close to this. When it comes to Warframe quests I have a VERY itchy trigger finger.
Starting the quest I was ready for a cool confrontation between the aesthetics of the (somewhat) demonic Stalker vs the angelic Jade. I was not ready for a man losing his wife.
Ngl when the corpus halted fire after hearing a baby I took back my entire 10 years of corpus slander because at least they have their humanity when it comes to babies
@@RelatableBlackGuy I feel like only the captain did. the crewmen just did their jobs since they are just people. For all we know she could have been executed already by failing the Sisterhood. She had humanity for sure though.
@@geoczeoszkarthe problem is there are two different corpus,the ones controlled by the board of directors and then the ones controlled by parvos granum,the ones controlled by granum are the sisters of parvos,aka the corpus you see in the quest.
To be fair, the tenno are the most ruthless mercenaries in the history of gaming. We'll work for the corpus, when they have the best offer, we'll work for the grineer when they have the best offer. We'd probably take missions from the infested, if they knew how to make us an offer.
Gives new meaning to expression “think of the children” when those kids sit a top countless piles of corpses, only living for fast fashion and the occasional self reflection moment, before moving onto the next shiny thing!
@@matowakan not really a destroyer. "My father was a farmer, my mother: a carpenter." (Natah, Ropalolyst quest) Pragasa was able to harness energy orders of magnitudes greater than we can - thus being able to destroy an entire star -, but her primary purpose was still the building of a foothold at Tau. She just needed to be able to use any resource at her disposal.
To this day I'm disappointed we don't get any rivalry between Stalker and Umbra in cutscenes. Take Jade Shadows, for instance. Instead of Ordis patrolling the Orbiter, Ordis should've deployed Umbra, and have him be the one that sneaks behind Stalker when he reaches the Operator
After the events of jade shadows we've seen first hand how easy it was for stalker to get on our orbiter and sneak into the tenno's chambers so that final statement about how much he watches us could be correct
22:16 that would also explain why Stalker speaks in such short sentences, he might be in constant mind-numbing pain or having concentration problems because of the Helmunth strain
Stalker still has unanswered questions. By design Warframes aren't capable of speaking. So, there's something very different about Stalker and how he came to be. He's ostensibly a Warframe like all the others...
@@ChristopherSadlowski well, considering even older, but still canon, lore - early warframes were very different from "serial" ones. Than Umbra showed us, then if DE want - they can make a conscious warframe, whose own actions are not just in old legends from the perspective of someone who doesn't know how they work exactly. Current lore allows a lot, it could be something wrong with its Operator, maybe they are strangely merged, or maybe it is another wild warframe variant by itself. Last one would be strange, though, every autonomous frame is describe as being like feral beast, and umbra shows us that in addition to just descriptions. In the world of mindcontrol, necromancy, magical acoustic warfrare, already roaring frames (rhino, umbra), etc. being able to communicate with words is not surprising.
Stalker himself seems conflicted now, his continued attacks (if not just chocked up to eternalism sending past Stalker after us continually) may be a sign of him trying to hold onto to old and comfortable patterns in the face of an increasingly uncertain and frightening reality. He's having to grapple with questions he never wanted to ask and answers he never wanted to hear, and while he may be coming to lean towards the side of the Tenno, he doesn't want to give up his old, familiar, comforting hatred nor the simple, mindless pursuit of "righteous" violence. He knows he's been in the wrong for a very long time, but doesn't want to let that thought settle in and force him to confront his own actions and his nature, so he lets himself fall into the rush of battle where there's no time for complex thoughts or churning emotions so he can put off dealing with it as long as he can.
@daydreamdirty the wrong they are referring to is that the actions the tenno took during the end of the old war is what started his retribution, however he knows they aren't the same tenno who painted the golden city red and thus it isn't them who actually deserve his current disdain
Absolutely cant wait for Jade Shadows, especially with the knowledge that Stalker is being voiced by Gianni Also I now have the image of the Stalker watching a Tenno in their Orbiter as they place down dozens of different floofs, pet their dogs/cats, and give their frames horrendous color schemes and being like "This will totally give me a tactical advantage next time"
LOL, yeah, it gives a completely different perspective to the stalker. We potentially have... let's see, The man in the wall, Helminth, Nihil, and... well potentially the stalker either living on or with complete access to our orbiter. Add Ordis and the Lotus and these poor kids don't get a minute of privacy.
@@TheDsIEGE Do what you want to do! I probably said in a comment before but I love your vids, you are one of my favorite WF creators and i really wouldn't nearly enjoy it without your input and theories/Insane Ramblings lol.
Yeah, being concerned about Lotus safety from the other Sentients in Natah, Disaprooving of his son's bad influences of a friend like Ballas in The New War, and now helping his adopted son with his sick wife and their child, and talking to him to get his act together. And then to not appear to friendly to us, when fullfilling his dead daughter (step)in-laws's last will, hi HAS to remind us, that he IS the GREAT AND TERRIBLE Hunhow.
Ok, the "world shaper" was clearly about Hunhow himself. The original mission of the sentients was to terraform the Tau system. Literarily shape the worlds of Tau.
@@TheDsIEGE in context of what Hunhow is saying it feels like he is mocking Jade for getting rescued by the "world shaper". Warframes were fighting on behalf of the Orokin - there is nothing to mock about being rescued by an ally. Being rescued by an enemy though...
Remember when DE teased a playable Stalker years ago where we could hunt down other players, but they probably gave up on that idea Probably because it would always be unfair for both sides, a Stalker way too strong for new players and veteran players always destroying the Stalker before they had any chance to fight back
So... I might be in the minority here but... Who cares? I'd like the challenge of not knowing if the Stalker "brought his A game" or not this time, and having some badass tenno just wreck me when I thought I was hot shit would light such a fire under my ass to kill him... I don't know, I think that would be awesome, personally.
They still have the code for that mode and have used it on a few special streams to invade players. It would be nice to see it find its way back somehow
@@TheDsIEGE I like the sentiment of this but this also doesn't account for the fact that killing the Stalker is needed to get certain weapons and gear sets. Having the stalker be a random player would possibly make farming for that gear a lot harder and imbalanced. Also what look would the stalker player get when winning etc since a death by stalker just revives a player and the stalker leaves. If this was added I feel like it should not replace the normal Stalker spawns but instead be a dedicated asynchronous gamemode that is like a condensed and more fast paced Dead by Daylight experience. Have the tenno players split in 4 separate arenas and allow the stalker to freely teleport between them to hunt them.
You've forgotten a key aspect to the "low guardians." The orokin trader for prime resurgence refers to nonprime frames as the guardians (and the primes, the tip of the spear) in her dialogue.
I was really hoping to see Umbra cameo in this story, especially when Ordis called his name out, which I guess alludes to the fact Umbra lives in the orbiter with us and walks around on his own, and if he does what the heck does Umbra do when he's walking around?
it is nice to hear someone else ruminating on small lore scraps and trying to piece it together. to see what conclusions you make and how many i reached myself.
I think this is actually really significant in the Stalker's story, but I believe it's being told between the lines, per se. We'll see if there's any legitimacy to it but... this kind of stuff in my opinion is what makes warframe's lore and story telling so fun to follow!
@@TheDsIEGE aye, and its the mystery that causes people to fill in the gaps themselves, some even blooming into full on stories of their own. lore has always been my favorite part of warframe, even before the 2nd dream...when the only lore we got....was the jersey shore warframe edition "out of frame: everyday lives of the tenno" Seeing what people take from the game and how they view it
I always assumed the stalker was created the same way umbra was and relives the moment the tenno killed the orokin every day just as umbra relives the moment he killed his son
The effects on the dialogue reading were a great choice. Really added to the immersion. Great vid as usual, can't wait to see how Jade Shadows changes our view on the Stalker.
The Orokin are one of the most horrific fictional factions I've ever encountered. None of them are redeemable in my eyes, their evil can't be undone. The Stalker is just another of their victims in my eyes, no one under the Orokin had true agency.
@@hrc7715 I see it less as hubris, and more as cruel and intentional evil, usually for the sake of their curiosity or boredom. I can't think of a more evil version of twisted humanity. Some characters with hubris learn from the fall after nemesis, but I don't think the Orokin are capable of that level of self-analysis, let alone acting in a way that could redeem their evil.
@@endlessemptyvoid if you can tell me something that any Orokin has done or said that would negate or make up for thousands of years of systematic evil enacted upon their populace, I would be willing to consider it. So far, none have come close that I have seen.
That quest gave me a lot of new questions. That being said, that PARTICULAR part of the quest has me scared with where DE is taking the game thematically. That quest gave me SO many new questions.
When Hunhow talks about a “Worldshapers breath” I don’t think he is talking about Jade but Yarelli, as he describes a more happy-go-lucky attitude than Jade, and her skin stating that Yarelli was rediscovered by Hunhow and improved using his sentient sophstication. The word “breath” and “adapting” to me make me think Breath of Eidolon and the Sentient defense system. “Worldshaper” as well since they were sent to terraform and essentially build ecosystems for the Orokin. The word “jetsam” implies he’s come to terms with the other “unwanted goods cast overboard” by the Orokin, and at some point instead of killing her decided to “terraform” her body in a way that makes her look like a Sentient horseshoe crab, an animal that has existed and adapted since the dinosaurs to this day, in the underwater planet they are buried under. All that just to say to the Stalker “The Orokin sucked anyways. Let bygones be bygones bro, we could do good work out here with these guys”
I actually hoped to have learned more about the stalker other than what this quest had offered. And before beginning this quest I had made a list of questions that I about the stalker. So here it goes. 1. How did the stalker survived the onslaught? 2. How did he survive so long? 3. How much of the stalker is similar tot the warframe? - this questions got vaguely answered tho with the pregnant warframe. Also how much of the stalker is also infested / made from infestation? 4. Where do the powers of the warframe come from since void powers comes in through The Tenno and the heart of Deimos, but that doesn’t explain the manifestation of the power. Which power manifest and what cause / determines one. 5. Is he the sole being of his kind? 6. How does the stalker makes a acolytes, where do they come from, what do it takes to become one? 7. Why does the stalker only hunts the Tenno down after building up rep and earlier considering his hatred for the Tenno? 8. What does the stalker hoping to achieve with hunting us, eventhough we can’t be killed?
1. He was too far away when it started (speculation: far enough to eventually reach the Lua and witness his lover being transformed into warframe for the sin of bearing the child of a low Guardian, which was against the law. Quite possibly that was decision of Ballas, and possibly was his own decision to overrule Jade Light. I base it on the fact that laboratory where warframes were created was located on Lua, same place that driven Stalker mad) 2. Same way Teshin and other warframes survived - they just live for a very long time. As we heard from Ordis, warframes are not meant nor designed to deplete their energy, running out of it should not be possible unless warframe is put in extreme situation. Umbra was howling for generations and was still capable of doing so, Protea repeatedly pushed time back to protect Parvos Granum - that left her in semi-alive state he compared to spectre, while Sevagoth had only enough energy to embrace his shadow after prolonged stay in void. Warframe's ability to stay alive is not connected to time, but to dangers and exhaustion they face) 3. Not yet known, although based on information obtained from other quests, and mentions of warframes of past, we can say that original warframes, not yet encountered by tenno, had will strong enough to overcome influence of the Orokin if not immediately, but overtime and were carried away by their own will and decisions (Limbo, Chroma, Titania, Revenant, Gara, Mirage and Dante are the first that come to mind when it comes to warframes with their own abilities to make decisions and I'm pretty sure that there are more mentions then just of them. Stalker, it seems, does not want to be controlled, in the same way Umbra did not wanted to. Based on "children won't stop us" phrase from acolytes, they are not controlled by tenno in the same way Stalker is not controlled. Based on their ability to speak, that was taken away from other warframes (based on Dante's entries we can safely say that Orokin did not desire warframes to be able to speak beyond simple grunts and howls, which is not the case for Stalker and acolytes, but is the case for Jade, which makes me believe that whatever happened to Stalker and acolytes, happened in close proximity, but after Jade's transformation. Was it initiated by them or not is not yet known. But I would say that there is a high chance that his transformation is a result of him being infested with helminth infestation through the process of saving Jade. 4.Warframe powers do not come through tenno, otherwise every single specter would not be able to utilize them and every single encounter with warframe not controlled by tenno would not be capable of utilizing them. There is a probability of those powers themselves being obtained through the Void. 5. As seen in quest, he is not. More then that, acolytes seem to be somewhat similar to his type. 6. Unknown. But it takes helminth infestation. There is a possibility that he and a group of other low Guardians went to Lua either for safety or to reach for his partner while fleeing from massacre. If my previous speculation is correct and he witnessed Jade mid transformation and tried to get her out of contraption that was administering infestation into her, there is a possibility of him and his friends all being exposed to uncontrolled and uncultivated transformation through helminth infestation, without transference bolts, or decisions of Orokin on what their design should be. Although I believe that significant portion of what their transformation looked like was determined by the Void, I can't base such speculation on anything. But if it is, it would explain why they appear to posess multiple abilities from different warframes - if the original warframe obtained those abilities through their personality, acolytes and Stalker most probably obtained them because they wanted those abilities specifically, with only ability that is somewhat specific to Stalker being "return their damage in 1000 cuts", even though similar to ability of Nyx. There also is a probability of them choosing to transform themselves to be able to survive, although that would be kinda weird.) 7. Non of HIS kind hunt high profile targets despite being able to. Only warframe controlled by tenno does that. 8. Tenno specifically remarked that Stalker hates warframes. There is a high enough possibility that he hunts Warframes controlled by tenno not only because of their responsibility for Night of the Naga Drums, but also for who warframes are. If my speculation would be correct, such transformation would leave him mentally scarred enough to try both to tend his transformed wife and do his best to kill every single tenno-controlled warframe (as Hunhow referred to them - puppets, incapable of anything without tenno). Then, due tenno waking up, encountering warframes that were destroyed before but revived by Tenno. That might be another reason why he hunts us whenever we hunt bosses - he might know that we are trying to rebuild a warframe. We still don't know both the story of his origin, nor entirety of his motivation - there might be some unknown variable or hidden layer, or he might have more motivations then just haltered. Either way, we know that unlike Jade that was not able to speak, their child, even though transformed, behaves much more like a human baby rather then a warframe - perhaps there is a chance that their child will be much more free in terms of expression then their parents. That would be an interesting parallel of them being a result of breaking unjust law.
@@A_Game_Zone because Orokin were presumed gone for a long time and the only person capable of ending the old war was his daughter, changed into her current form to tend the Tenno. Only creature that hunts the Tenno, even if said creature does it in the name of empire long fallen, makes a perfect partner.
Also, I did not consider him not remembering Jade's name and information about Jade being lost (thus existing as a warframe) when the slaughter happened. There is a high possibility that Soren didn't knew about her fate up to the point of his transformation, believing that he lost her to massacre.
@@strgn1360 that’s a possibility but tbf for me this quest seemed more like a random drop into a story than a build of something already established. Besides my expectations, it wasn’t something of which I was searching the answers for.
This is the first video of yours I've seen and I immediately subbed after watching the whole thing. The atmosphere you created with the editing, the deep dive into the scraps of lore we've gotten over the years about the Stalker, along with the new dialogue we got, and bringing that all together into one cohesive viewing experience... It's amazing and I intend to watch more of your videos for the next few hours before we get to experience Jade Shadows tomorrow.
Wow, Thank you! I really appreciate that and yes, I like to try to make the video visually pleasing as well as informative if I can! This week should be a really good one for future content for the video, so definitely visit the channel as often as possible!
I believe, regarding the part about helminthology, that the stalker has more in common with the proto warframes we see teased for 1999 than an actual warframe, he's almost like an in-between of the two. Still mostly human but much more consumed by the helminth than the proto warframes are My hunch is that he chose to transform himself into his current form after the fall of the orokin after somehow gaining access to the strain, same for his acolytes later on, rather than being granted it by the orokin themselves.
You know, umbra is very similar, and he is classic warframe for sure. He can't speak, true, but its because of Ballas. He couldnt even when He was still Dax.
@@nerf1227 something something about "special transference bolt" This is the same question with Stalker now. I don't want to believe that tenno can transfer into Stalker. It'll just become more like Sacrifice 2.0 and I want both Stalker and Umbra to keep their uniqueness. Let Stalker's pain be taken away by his own son this time. Side note, totally random stuff: I always wanted a greatsword fight between Paracesis Umbra vs War Stalker... Now I don't want them to fight each other, but to team up because both of them can understand each other.
@@A_Game_Zone I get your point. Through narativ perspective I agree with you, but lore wise not so much. We still dont know everything. Umbra first reject tenno so possibly Stalker can do the same way. Perhaps sole will of warframe can be enough against void power. Stalker is unique but still a warframe, we for now cant deny it.
I'm going to be fortunate enough to be playing it on stream, but... I'm sure it will be worth the wait whenever you do get your chance to dig in to it!
I think it was implied in Jade's Light that the Reason Stalker and Jade got the Helminth was like with Umbra that he did Something to displease Ballas (Giving Jade a Child while a Lower Guard) and that there Lifes as Warframes were there Punishment fitted with an Umbra Bolt to never be able to Forget
I think an entire campaign centered around the Stalker's backstory and the fall of the Orokin empire would be cool if they were willing to build an entire separate storyline. It could be like playing Shadow The Hedgehog.
New to warframe, a month in... and after finishing all quests (I'm a huge lore guy - that's what drives games for me) I felt a little lost? I made connections and pieced things together but was confused where some parts were. Your videos helped me understand that they were all individual pieces here and there from all over - missions, side quests, faction leveling, etc. While I'll get to them in my own game, I really loved how you pieced this entire series together. Watched all these videos in your 23 part series and I can't wait to watch more of your videos. Keep it up man, love the attention to detail and great work editing/making it intriguing.
Maybe the stalker really is just a warframe with a mind trapped in it. Maybe he found out how to transfer himself into one like the tenno...but without proper tenno powers, he couldn't transfer out. Maybe his real body was killed and now his frame is his prison, making him a rather tortured reflection of what the tenno thought they were before the second dream. We're people who can jump into and out of frames; Umbra is a frame that remembers his death...maybe the stalker is just a frame, holding the essence of an unlucky fool who did something desperate and is stuck in a hell of his own making?
I stand by the idea that Stalker had a 'long Helminth' strain in him the whole time he was a Low Guardian - or at least after he exposed his secrets to his masters; as much a 'reward' as it is a bitter, permanent, lash of a chain - as it would explain his trouble with speaking as well as zoning him into that singular memory - the moment where the serum in his blood took hold. Furthermore, he continues his hunt, possibly for several reasons - part of a routine or habit, because of bounties or reward for selling parts WE drop from our frames when HE beats us, if he does, or just as a way to keep himself afresh by literally rebounding off of us while his Acolytes take turns with tending to that which would be otherwise neglected by this 'duty'. Or no reason at all - it could just be 'Eternalism' in the 'gameplay=/=lore' sense. The Stalker who lends his scythe to us may rather be him from a timeline where things went better for him and those he held dear, if any (those who've played Jade Shadows will have the answer(s) to this, like me, but I'm phrasing this as is for your safety; play the quest).
My interpretation of this is that the Tenno were split into different casts (be it by age, proficiency with continuity or mentality, given the fact they were being sent to war) and one of those casts were the low guardians, who were likely not under the command of the Lotus, as their role was likely guarding the orokin towers from incursion. We know some frames were made for specific, non-war related purposes (Protea and Daggath for example) and if I'm not mistaken the primes were originally made to guard the towers, which would make sense. By that logic the Stalker is a tenno that wasn't part of the Lotus' war plan, who then, upon being awoken from the dream lost his shit, likely put himself back into the dream or something of the sort and that led to the Shaker we now know
That's a very interesting way to view it, I'd always just thought of them as... well pod babies walking around in warframe suits, but... yeah, it's probably pretty likely the skills of each would vary and thus may have divided them in a similar manner, in the spirit of how the orokin divided the rest of their underlings...
I think the confusing thing about the Stalker was the way that it feels like they completely changed what happened to him. Though maybe I had misunderstood something. After Second Dream the Shadow Stalker showed up, which I assumed amounted to the stalker being effectively dead and this new "Shadow Stalker" being a mindless puppet, a shadow of his former self. Which also easily explained why the stalker would continue to fight us even after we became pointlessly OP. He was no longer thinking. But then New War and Jade Shadows kinda completely undid the process of making Shadow Stalker, reverting him from the War Wielding Shadow to the Hate wielding Normal stalker. So... What un-shadowed him between then and now? Was he EVER really the Shadow?
I really can’t wait for this to be looked into further with the next story quest after. As time has gone on, the Stalker has become more developed and has at times decided against killing us the player, and I think with his new child he’ll begin a new journey down a different path, hopefully a better one
Thank you for making this video! I really enjoy listening to you explain this game to me. I have Autism and Warframe has been my primary hyperfixation for years, so I always get super excited when you upload.
I think the "worldshapers breath" means Hunhow's meddling with that other visitor since the Sentients were created to terraform/shape worlds and he probably used some of those tools adapt her.
I am really eager for the quest, I ask myself if we will be able to "take his pain away" as we have done with Umbra, he deserves it, he is too tired from a burden too heavy to carry, like Sisyphus.
Fun fact: according to the wiki, it has been confirmed that Stalker's messages are on auto-reply. It also says you can see him if you soend vestigial motes with Ordis ar the Drifter camp (he's by the river with his son, and disappears the instant the camera turns away)
I was debating if Hunhow's words were meant towards Jade or Yarelli given its the latter's skin shown on screen at that section and she does look very deep-sea-ish. But the idea of Hunhow perhaps modifying Jade to survive - perhaps it might explain one of her more unique qualities with the double aura slot. Tomorrow perhaps will bring some clarity, one way or another. As of right now, the Sentients are still the most mysterious faction to me given even now, there numbers are few compared to the likes of the Grineer and Corpus in the Origin system but it can be assumed must be great now on Tau. Here's hoping this update might shed a little more on them... with more details to come...
I should note DsIEGE that canonwise, his attacks on us- the main tenno specifically aren’t likely canon. It’s the shadow stalker that attacks us, when it’s evident from the two newest story quests that he has returned to his normal gear. It’s possibly why he only is willing to ask our Tenno for help, since he knows that out of all of them- ours is seemingly special and deserving of a begrudging respect. Perhaps even understanding. Even Hunhow suggests that the stalker’s hatred of us has dwindled. Does he like us? No. Not really. He makes that pretty clear. But he’s willing to work with us in mutually beneficial ways. With his newfound purpose, alongside the fact that our Tenno willingly helped grant that new purpose- I have a feeling he is thankful. Maybe even able to let his feelings go, in honor of Jade and the life she gave to him.
16:55 As far as I understand it, duviri is not an actual part of reality, but a delusional construct created by the drifter, who wishes for an end to the war. Therefore it makes sense that the drifter imagines some kind of peace between the stalker and us. The duviri stalker even looks different due to lack of his signature armor. During the new war, stalker seems to only help the drifter because the situation and hunhow force him to. On another note: I can't wait to get to fight pazuul (hopefully including a fourth base archon shard type). And on a third note: the whole sentient conflict blends in well with the rise of AI irl. It's a neat analogy to a modern day problem. Will we side with the sentients/embrace AI like ballas and stalker or will we fight it like the tenno do? I suddenly feel sympathy for stalker. And yes, I'd forgive stalker. Like I wouldn't vanquish a lich if they just handed over the guns.
19:47 also I’ve not heard anyone mention that Jade seems to be pregnant under her wings, and her I think it’s her noble animation has her stroking her belly in a way a pregnant mother normally would. Of course this brings up meny questions like did this happen after she was made into a frame or did they turn a pregnant woman and her baby into a Warframe 😱
Can we all agree that parvos is becoming a big threat and the back and forth between parvos and ordis/ordan karis it gave me chills that they made aa brought ordan up again
Now that jade shadows is out, it's clear that he can teleport to our orbiter whenever he wants so it means, he could have kill us quite easily if he would have wished to do so. And I mean killing a tenno seems to be quite a tricky part as we as a tenno return to the void and come back to life but this just shows yet again that he seems not to be able/want to kill us
I'm hoping the alignment compass comes into play this quest. Whether one falls to one or the other side of dealing with problems, whether one goes into the light or into the dark. Would be funny if they uncovered that Shadow is just a tenno that went for all the Lua/dark choices and this is where they end up in the world
I personally would love to have the stalkers helmet be a universal one, but if we get him as a regular frame, i personally would be fine with that. I can't wait for tomorrow to play jade shadows. Also, it is interesting that the shadow version of the stalker is basically umbras body without the scarf and gold.
14:56 "A worldshapers breath 'adapting' her shape..." Hunhow is the worldshaper who's breath is "adapting" (could mean just so that water pressure or time or some other bs cant hurt her) who i presume to be Jade Also Hunhow was a farmer so the scythe tangent makes sense.
Very nice video as always, but i wanted to ask you a question... Have you noticed that in sanctum anatomica the man in the wall's hear can be audibly heard when you approach his "statue" but you can't hear loid's... Was wondering what your thoughts are on that
My take aways from the whole Quest were. Stalkers name is Sorren Stalker breaks the no talking rule given to warframes. Stalker and Jade are OG frames. Since the Orokin massacre, they're like Umbra but for the most part but less trauma....kinda Ballas didnt give a shit about anyone. Even so much as Warframing pregnant woman. Stalker simped for the Orokin, they caused his pain but the Tenno freed him from his suffering but he was too far to reverse the brainwashing. Yet we still dont know enough of the stalker, they could have gone further for the quest and set it up a lil better. If you follow the lore you understand more but outright this quest was an...interesting one I can see where people got lost and werent feeling it. Also note, the new mission has more lore revealing Ordis outside of his lore things in the codex and how long Parvos was stuck in the granum void. ....also the fact that DE has an issue with a glitch allowing you to bring in Puppies and Kittens into a mission but not a Pregnant woman into battle.
I really want a confontation resulting in understanding between stalker and umbra. Technically umbra has every reason to be worse than stalker. Stalker may have lost Jade but he still has his child. Umbra lost everything yet, with help, was able to find peace and a new purpose.
“Why does that stalker still attack us after the new war.” Because he’s a game mechanic. Would you want the developers to code in something that would prevent him from spawning and prevent you from potentially getting the War blueprint he drops and then what about squad members what if they haven’t completed the new war. Would he not be able to spawn while you are in a group with them? There is no story continuity in the corridor missions and what happens in them unless they are a quest mission. Just because he spawns doesn’t mean he still hates us in the story currently. They exist outside the story.
@@TheDsIEGE can’t say I have noticed that because I did the quest to advance my story and understand of the character. Not see what happens when I attack the thing I’m obviously meant not to attack.
Most lucrative and sagacious lore master. This quest just lefts us with more questions, during the quest it seems they tell us Stalker is a warframe just like umbra, but, unlike umbra which has only 1 memory left, Stalker has his whole memory intact. Umbra remembers killing his son , and Balla's words, nothing more; but stalker remembers the Tenno betrayal, he remembers his wife, that fact they were expecting a baby when volunteering for the warframe project; he seems to be a perfect and fully functional autonomous warframe, and Jade too. At the same time, where were the acolytes? Angst, Malice, Mania, Misery, Torment and Violence were n where to be found; if they are followers of the Stalker, as their title acolyte implies and being listed as "faction: stalker", why didn't they help him? If they are separated being from the stalker, why didn't they fight the corpus? Seven warframe against the corpus, that should have been an easy fight, unless, the stalker is a Tenno, and they are his warframes, but that would conflict with the story as it's being told to us; he being a person turned into a warframe and jaded being his wife also turned into a warframe. This quest provided us no answers, just a hint to his story, and left us with many new questions. Like how was it possibel for Jade to be pregnant and how will the baby grow up. This is the first instance of a naturally born warframe, not made, not fabricated or clones like the ones we use, this baby was conceived and born. Are there any other perfect autonomous, tenno-less, warframes? Was the Chroma from the New Strange one of them? I cannot stop thinking about the implications of what we just saw ...
Hearing Ordis mention Umbra was like a cypher key for understanding the quest, I just wish it was a bit longer or had a few more prop pieces or vitruvian like The Sacrifice had. I'm afraid the quests are getting tighter, quick laps you run to familiarize yourself with a new gameplay loop. When they said it was a story quest I was hoping for a bit more investigation or adventuring to find solutions, I don't mind playing game modes I've already played, I'm more engaged with the audio the character dialogue that transpires overtop of the mission. There was really not enough Hunhow or Balas in this quest, I did like hearing from a non descript corpus captain and lieutenant that was pretty cool, but given the context I feel like we should have heard a fair mite more bickering maybe between the operator and Hunhow or the Stalker themselves. TRY...
They also have different entries in the Index, much to my chagrin as I didn't manage to scan regular Stalker before I got to Shadow Stalker. I've heard you can semi-reliably get normal Stalker to spawn by replaying the New Strange quest, but I may be forever stufck with a blight on my record.
"Your actions have consequences" is reminiscent of your earlier point on warframes destroying the empire and destabilizing it's "innocent" inhabitant's lives and families. So killing any boss is not only a justification for aggression, but maybe reminds him of us destabilizing any form of government structure and lives. 'When will you learn tenno, that' "your a actions have consequences."
Stalker is nothing more than that one guy who shows up late to the leveling party, someone pings him, and he immediately gets mobbed by four Tenno and dies instantly.
Wasnt Yareli the one reshaped? As it is her new skin kinda a sentient variant, and also it is at the side. "Fellow Jetsam", "adapting her shape". The one rescued seems to be a Yareli.
My two cents after Jade (spoilers for the Jade quest): 1. Stalker is a Waframe. Otherwise the Drifter couldn't control him in Circuit. 2. The Stalker in the Circuit is not the same as the one in the Origin System. It was built by the Drifter's intrinsinc understanding of the void. Not completely sure about this one though, because the Drifter did help Hunhow and the Shadow Stalker by defeating the original three Archons, so the Stalker might be a volunteer here. He might be able to cross from Circulus to the Circuit. 3. Stalker was a Warframe BEFORE the Orokin fell. He and Jade were working together and Jade saved the Stalker. 4. Stalker and Jade were married before being turned into Warframes. (The reason why she knows his name.) 5. The Stalker might be either like Umbra, OR still a Dreamer (not awakened from the Second Dream). But I think there's a third alternative: he is both. Let me explain. Natah said the reservoir made him go mad. I think the Stalker is at least partially awake and was shocked to see pods in the reservoir, not understanding how he can be at two places at the same time. His operator's mind is probably so intertwined with that of Soren's that they are almost one entity. This would also explain why he didn't attack at the night of the naga drums: his Tenno side wanted to, his Soren side was loyal to the Orokin.
At 26.09 i got that feeling everytime i try to put on a new warframe in a mission there is always a stalker then i have nothing to kill him with so i die.
I can't find the original video I used but... this is the song, specifically at "33:17" in that video (Dualism) ua-cam.com/video/LzRFuVWeUTg/v-deo.html
There is a Nora quote that says something alog the lines of "one of our own believes they are the equal of our foe" i wonder if that refers to stalker himself or something else
It’s been insinuated that The Stalker and Jade were pregnant with their child, which was a crime. Hence, as retribution, they were turned into Warframes, with some of their memories or personalities intact. That is why Jade is pregnant, because she was turned into a Warframe while she was pregnant as a human. Jade then became the executioner and held the powers of the Jade Light.
With the amount of innocents, workers minding their own bussiness, we've killed between corpus and grineer, it's only obvious that we need to forgive the stalker if it comes to it. You know for the karma.
tbf. I think the Stalker still hunts us because removing his invasions would cut off the only avenue to ge his weapons. Lore-Wise I think he's done hunting us, but mechanically the Stalker Mechanic remains as a source of his mods and weapons
I don't think the stalker is a warframe. Loid said warframes don't talk as a rule, but do you think there is a possibility that low guardians are allowed to speak a little bit, and that there are high guardians that are allowed freedom of speech. 14:57 was referring to yareli and her new deluxe skin also.
Look I know that the Yareli skin says hunhow fashioned it but... this story is about Jade. She is the frame that Hunhow is talking about the entire time, and Jade is the husk of a frame seen in their very quarters, needing Sorren's attention. Yareli clearly didn't need any assistance from us, and was not a wounded husk as was described, not to mention it says this happened at the fall of the orokin which would have been potentially centuries before this quest. Also, I think Sorren's transformation was different than most of the other warframes as the memorial in the conclave alludes to that. Now, the other thing to consider is that Stalker really couldn't "speak" basically only being able to whisper to us as he stalked us. The change in his voice in my opinion is actually kind of detracting from the story and offers a lot more questions. Why does he only speak like that now? I get they wanted the new guy to voice him but... That aspect of the update I was not a huge fan of.
Wish we got much more info. And concrete indesputable info. Riddlespeak and vague info can be nice, but at this point I just want a full disclosure on Stalker.
For the record I was going to premier this yesterday but... it felt very boring and... odd at times when reading the dialogue in certain parts so... I decided to make those parts a bit more... Dynamic. Hopefully you'll enjoy the change, Personally I wouldn't have released the video without it but... I suppose it will be up to you in the end. I'm pretty certain you'll notice which parts were... "enhanced" one you hear them, lol. But... sorry for the delay. I don't like releasing content unless I'm very happy with the end product, probably even to my channel's detriment, but... I really do care about what I put in front of you.
Loved the added flair, worth waiting for and something you can use again, your Hunhow voice was really good!
I think it was a great addition to the video, it elevated the listening experience quite a bit I feel like, I really enjoyed it!
Your channel won't fail if you put out real effort filled content.
Just me, but I will banish you and any video you ever make to the void for all eternity if I see you put anything that even comes close to being perceived as a quest spoiler in your thumbnail or video title this close t a quest release, and you are one of my favorites, so please stay FAR FAR away from anything that could even remotely come feasibly close to this.
When it comes to Warframe quests I have a VERY itchy trigger finger.
@@intalek305 I try my best not to do that...
Starting the quest I was ready for a cool confrontation between the aesthetics of the (somewhat) demonic Stalker vs the angelic Jade. I was not ready for a man losing his wife.
You're right, it went in a completely different direction than I thought...
When Jade died, i thought he... Attached a feather into his arm... Not putting a towel around his baby and i was like "ow"
Ngl when the corpus halted fire after hearing a baby I took back my entire 10 years of corpus slander because at least they have their humanity when it comes to babies
@@RelatableBlackGuy I feel like only the captain did. the crewmen just did their jobs since they are just people. For all we know she could have been executed already by failing the Sisterhood. She had humanity for sure though.
@@geoczeoszkarthe problem is there are two different corpus,the ones controlled by the board of directors and then the ones controlled by parvos granum,the ones controlled by granum are the sisters of parvos,aka the corpus you see in the quest.
To be fair, the tenno are the most ruthless mercenaries in the history of gaming. We'll work for the corpus, when they have the best offer, we'll work for the grineer when they have the best offer. We'd probably take missions from the infested, if they knew how to make us an offer.
You aren't wrong. Our actions will most likely have consequences in the future, as they have in the past already...
We’re also the most MANIPULATED
Gives new meaning to expression “think of the children” when those kids sit a top countless piles of corpses, only living for fast fashion and the occasional self reflection moment, before moving onto the next shiny thing!
That's because Lotus Said web have to bring balance to te system not to destroy te other factions
Tenno work for corpo a d grineer?
Can't wait to learn why stalker sleeps upside-down
Me too, this vexes me. Do all of our warframes do this too in storage?
@@TheDsIEGEhe’s Australian
That makes too much sense
He's a bat, duh.
The Stalker is unique because instead of mutating a human they mutated a bat
hunhow talking about the scythe made me remember that he was a farmer according to Natah
Wow!
Hunhow was sent to tau as a builder, and Pragasa as a destroyer, designed to colonize the new system. He is the "world shaper"
@@matowakan not really a destroyer. "My father was a farmer, my mother: a carpenter." (Natah, Ropalolyst quest) Pragasa was able to harness energy orders of magnitudes greater than we can - thus being able to destroy an entire star -, but her primary purpose was still the building of a foothold at Tau. She just needed to be able to use any resource at her disposal.
To this day I'm disappointed we don't get any rivalry between Stalker and Umbra in cutscenes. Take Jade Shadows, for instance. Instead of Ordis patrolling the Orbiter, Ordis should've deployed Umbra, and have him be the one that sneaks behind Stalker when he reaches the Operator
That would have been really cool too
It would have been cool and made more sense, I don’t buy that Ordis can overpower the Stalker
That would have been awesome honestly.
After the events of jade shadows we've seen first hand how easy it was for stalker to get on our orbiter and sneak into the tenno's chambers so that final statement about how much he watches us could be correct
Got it, leave out milk and cookies for him.
And His child @@hiddendesire3076
@@hiddendesire3076lol
Happy Holidays!
- Stalker and Sirius 💚
22:16 that would also explain why Stalker speaks in such short sentences, he might be in constant mind-numbing pain or having concentration problems because of the Helmunth strain
Stalker still has unanswered questions. By design Warframes aren't capable of speaking. So, there's something very different about Stalker and how he came to be. He's ostensibly a Warframe like all the others...
@@ChristopherSadlowski well, considering even older, but still canon, lore - early warframes were very different from "serial" ones. Than Umbra showed us, then if DE want - they can make a conscious warframe, whose own actions are not just in old legends from the perspective of someone who doesn't know how they work exactly.
Current lore allows a lot, it could be something wrong with its Operator, maybe they are strangely merged, or maybe it is another wild warframe variant by itself. Last one would be strange, though, every autonomous frame is describe as being like feral beast, and umbra shows us that in addition to just descriptions.
In the world of mindcontrol, necromancy, magical acoustic warfrare, already roaring frames (rhino, umbra), etc. being able to communicate with words is not surprising.
@@Blackwing2345635 well jade is already a "feral" frame so De could really play with more frames like her and stalker
Stalker himself seems conflicted now, his continued attacks (if not just chocked up to eternalism sending past Stalker after us continually) may be a sign of him trying to hold onto to old and comfortable patterns in the face of an increasingly uncertain and frightening reality. He's having to grapple with questions he never wanted to ask and answers he never wanted to hear, and while he may be coming to lean towards the side of the Tenno, he doesn't want to give up his old, familiar, comforting hatred nor the simple, mindless pursuit of "righteous" violence. He knows he's been in the wrong for a very long time, but doesn't want to let that thought settle in and force him to confront his own actions and his nature, so he lets himself fall into the rush of battle where there's no time for complex thoughts or churning emotions so he can put off dealing with it as long as he can.
I agree, and I really do believe this trauma is at least in part what the lotus was speaking about when she claims the reservoir drove him to madness.
But what “Wrong” was there ever committed especially if he was doing his duty by going after the Tenno for their betrayal?
@@TheDsIEGEand I want to know what that madness was personally
@daydreamdirty the wrong they are referring to is that the actions the tenno took during the end of the old war is what started his retribution, however he knows they aren't the same tenno who painted the golden city red and thus it isn't them who actually deserve his current disdain
Give Shadow the Warframe a hug
We may get our chance!!
@@TheDsIEGE, hope when you do that, won't be the last of your time.... 😁
@@TheDsIEGE after the update I need to now
Nah.
Absolutely cant wait for Jade Shadows, especially with the knowledge that Stalker is being voiced by Gianni
Also I now have the image of the Stalker watching a Tenno in their Orbiter as they place down dozens of different floofs, pet their dogs/cats, and give their frames horrendous color schemes and being like "This will totally give me a tactical advantage next time"
LOL, yeah, it gives a completely different perspective to the stalker. We potentially have... let's see, The man in the wall, Helminth, Nihil, and... well potentially the stalker either living on or with complete access to our orbiter. Add Ordis and the Lotus and these poor kids don't get a minute of privacy.
Add on Kahl's Garrison in the Drifter camp and it becomes surprisingly noisy for our Tenno even in their "off" hours
Well, I sure hope Stalker likes my floof altar, then!
Gianni? I feel like I missed something here. Who’s that?
@@daydreamdirty famous internet voice actor and meme creator Gianni Matragano
They way you voiced "The Reaper's Lament" was Superb! You just keep getting better and better man, keep it up!
Thank you so much, I'm really glad it didn't turn out too bad in the end. I'll try to do more in the future.
@@TheDsIEGE Do what you want to do! I probably said in a comment before but I love your vids, you are one of my favorite WF creators and i really wouldn't nearly enjoy it without your input and theories/Insane Ramblings lol.
I thinks its kinda wholesome. That Hunhow is kinda like a father to the stalker.
Definitely a mentor trying to guide the stalker out of his hate. Hunhow will most likely be a key ally against pazuul…
@@TheDsIEGE Hunhow is like Uncle Iroh and Stalker is Zuko.
Yeah, being concerned about Lotus safety from the other Sentients in Natah, Disaprooving of his son's bad influences of a friend like Ballas in The New War, and now helping his adopted son with his sick wife and their child, and talking to him to get his act together.
And then to not appear to friendly to us, when fullfilling his dead daughter (step)in-laws's last will, hi HAS to remind us, that he IS the GREAT AND TERRIBLE Hunhow.
@@derkrischa3720yea, tbh hunhow amd stalker getting a redemption arc isn’t what I expected. But I’m curious to see how it’s gonna go.
Grandpa hunhow just trying fix things so the rest don’t make his mistakes
Ok, the "world shaper" was clearly about Hunhow himself. The original mission of the sentients was to terraform the Tau system. Literarily shape the worlds of Tau.
Very possible, but... the orokin too were world shapers... I'll be interested to see if they go into more detail on this during the quest.
@@TheDsIEGE in context of what Hunhow is saying it feels like he is mocking Jade for getting rescued by the "world shaper". Warframes were fighting on behalf of the Orokin - there is nothing to mock about being rescued by an ally. Being rescued by an enemy though...
@@akhannar9368hunhow is all bark now. He’s old, tired and lonely. Half truths like a grandpa teasing his grand kids.
Remember when DE teased a playable Stalker years ago where we could hunt down other players, but they probably gave up on that idea
Probably because it would always be unfair for both sides, a Stalker way too strong for new players and veteran players always destroying the Stalker before they had any chance to fight back
So... I might be in the minority here but... Who cares? I'd like the challenge of not knowing if the Stalker "brought his A game" or not this time, and having some badass tenno just wreck me when I thought I was hot shit would light such a fire under my ass to kill him... I don't know, I think that would be awesome, personally.
They still have the code for that mode and have used it on a few special streams to invade players. It would be nice to see it find its way back somehow
@@TheDsIEGE
I like the sentiment of this but this also doesn't account for the fact that killing the Stalker is needed to get certain weapons and gear sets. Having the stalker be a random player would possibly make farming for that gear a lot harder and imbalanced. Also what look would the stalker player get when winning etc since a death by stalker just revives a player and the stalker leaves.
If this was added I feel like it should not replace the normal Stalker spawns but instead be a dedicated asynchronous gamemode that is like a condensed and more fast paced Dead by Daylight experience.
Have the tenno players split in 4 separate arenas and allow the stalker to freely teleport between them to hunt them.
So why not just give us stalker as a frame!?!? 😅😅😅😅😅🥺😭😭😭😭😭
Wasnt it because it had the same problem as conclave? Extremely imbalanced or clunky to play?
You've forgotten a key aspect to the "low guardians." The orokin trader for prime resurgence refers to nonprime frames as the guardians (and the primes, the tip of the spear) in her dialogue.
Would explain why he couldn't speak and only gave out a "Strangled whisper" when he wanted to warn the orokin ...
I was really hoping to see Umbra cameo in this story, especially when Ordis called his name out, which I guess alludes to the fact Umbra lives in the orbiter with us and walks around on his own, and if he does what the heck does Umbra do when he's walking around?
He Just chilling and it was such a missed oppotunity to have him Protect us lol
Imagine if Umbra was Just there, trying to remember his skills eith Shazin or play that checkers thingy with Ordis
I can only assume he mostly meditates at the window in the trophy room
it is nice to hear someone else ruminating on small lore scraps and trying to piece it together. to see what conclusions you make and how many i reached myself.
I think this is actually really significant in the Stalker's story, but I believe it's being told between the lines, per se. We'll see if there's any legitimacy to it but... this kind of stuff in my opinion is what makes warframe's lore and story telling so fun to follow!
@@TheDsIEGE aye, and its the mystery that causes people to fill in the gaps themselves, some even blooming into full on stories of their own.
lore has always been my favorite part of warframe, even before the 2nd dream...when the only lore we got....was the jersey shore warframe edition "out of frame: everyday lives of the tenno"
Seeing what people take from the game and how they view it
I always assumed the stalker was created the same way umbra was and relives the moment the tenno killed the orokin every day just as umbra relives the moment he killed his son
The effects on the dialogue reading were a great choice. Really added to the immersion.
Great vid as usual, can't wait to see how Jade Shadows changes our view on the Stalker.
Thank you!!! I'm really glad you enjoyed that, it really felt like it needed something.
The Orokin are one of the most horrific fictional factions I've ever encountered. None of them are redeemable in my eyes, their evil can't be undone. The Stalker is just another of their victims in my eyes, no one under the Orokin had true agency.
I couldn't agree more. They are the very definition of unconscionable.
Just about every problem in the origin system that isn't the void is ultimately a product of Orokin hubris
@@hrc7715 I see it less as hubris, and more as cruel and intentional evil, usually for the sake of their curiosity or boredom. I can't think of a more evil version of twisted humanity. Some characters with hubris learn from the fall after nemesis, but I don't think the Orokin are capable of that level of self-analysis, let alone acting in a way that could redeem their evil.
None are redeemable? Not even Silvana? :(
@@endlessemptyvoid if you can tell me something that any Orokin has done or said that would negate or make up for thousands of years of systematic evil enacted upon their populace, I would be willing to consider it. So far, none have come close that I have seen.
That quest gave me a lot of new questions.
That being said, that PARTICULAR part of the quest has me scared with where DE is taking the game thematically.
That quest gave me SO many new questions.
When Hunhow talks about a “Worldshapers breath” I don’t think he is talking about Jade but Yarelli, as he describes a more happy-go-lucky attitude than Jade, and her skin stating that Yarelli was rediscovered by Hunhow and improved using his sentient sophstication. The word “breath” and “adapting” to me make me think Breath of Eidolon and the Sentient defense system.
“Worldshaper” as well since they were sent to terraform and essentially build ecosystems for the Orokin.
The word “jetsam” implies he’s come to terms with the other “unwanted goods cast overboard” by the Orokin, and at some point instead of killing her decided to “terraform” her body in a way that makes her look like a Sentient horseshoe crab, an animal that has existed and adapted since the dinosaurs to this day, in the underwater planet they are buried under.
All that just to say to the Stalker “The Orokin sucked anyways. Let bygones be bygones bro, we could do good work out here with these guys”
I actually hoped to have learned more about the stalker other than what this quest had offered.
And before beginning this quest I had made a list of questions that I about the stalker.
So here it goes.
1. How did the stalker survived the onslaught?
2. How did he survive so long?
3. How much of the stalker is similar tot the warframe? - this questions got vaguely answered tho with the pregnant warframe.
Also how much of the stalker is also infested / made from infestation?
4. Where do the powers of the warframe come from since void powers comes in through The Tenno and the heart of Deimos, but that doesn’t explain the manifestation of the power. Which power manifest and what cause / determines one.
5. Is he the sole being of his kind?
6. How does the stalker makes a acolytes, where do they come from, what do it takes to become one?
7. Why does the stalker only hunts the Tenno down after building up rep and earlier considering his hatred for the Tenno?
8. What does the stalker hoping to achieve with hunting us, eventhough we can’t be killed?
1. He was too far away when it started (speculation: far enough to eventually reach the Lua and witness his lover being transformed into warframe for the sin of bearing the child of a low Guardian, which was against the law. Quite possibly that was decision of Ballas, and possibly was his own decision to overrule Jade Light. I base it on the fact that laboratory where warframes were created was located on Lua, same place that driven Stalker mad)
2. Same way Teshin and other warframes survived - they just live for a very long time. As we heard from Ordis, warframes are not meant nor designed to deplete their energy, running out of it should not be possible unless warframe is put in extreme situation. Umbra was howling for generations and was still capable of doing so, Protea repeatedly pushed time back to protect Parvos Granum - that left her in semi-alive state he compared to spectre, while Sevagoth had only enough energy to embrace his shadow after prolonged stay in void. Warframe's ability to stay alive is not connected to time, but to dangers and exhaustion they face)
3. Not yet known, although based on information obtained from other quests, and mentions of warframes of past, we can say that original warframes, not yet encountered by tenno, had will strong enough to overcome influence of the Orokin if not immediately, but overtime and were carried away by their own will and decisions (Limbo, Chroma, Titania, Revenant, Gara, Mirage and Dante are the first that come to mind when it comes to warframes with their own abilities to make decisions and I'm pretty sure that there are more mentions then just of them. Stalker, it seems, does not want to be controlled, in the same way Umbra did not wanted to. Based on "children won't stop us" phrase from acolytes, they are not controlled by tenno in the same way Stalker is not controlled. Based on their ability to speak, that was taken away from other warframes (based on Dante's entries we can safely say that Orokin did not desire warframes to be able to speak beyond simple grunts and howls, which is not the case for Stalker and acolytes, but is the case for Jade, which makes me believe that whatever happened to Stalker and acolytes, happened in close proximity, but after Jade's transformation. Was it initiated by them or not is not yet known. But I would say that there is a high chance that his transformation is a result of him being infested with helminth infestation through the process of saving Jade.
4.Warframe powers do not come through tenno, otherwise every single specter would not be able to utilize them and every single encounter with warframe not controlled by tenno would not be capable of utilizing them. There is a probability of those powers themselves being obtained through the Void.
5. As seen in quest, he is not. More then that, acolytes seem to be somewhat similar to his type.
6. Unknown. But it takes helminth infestation. There is a possibility that he and a group of other low Guardians went to Lua either for safety or to reach for his partner while fleeing from massacre. If my previous speculation is correct and he witnessed Jade mid transformation and tried to get her out of contraption that was administering infestation into her, there is a possibility of him and his friends all being exposed to uncontrolled and uncultivated transformation through helminth infestation, without transference bolts, or decisions of Orokin on what their design should be. Although I believe that significant portion of what their transformation looked like was determined by the Void, I can't base such speculation on anything. But if it is, it would explain why they appear to posess multiple abilities from different warframes - if the original warframe obtained those abilities through their personality, acolytes and Stalker most probably obtained them because they wanted those abilities specifically, with only ability that is somewhat specific to Stalker being "return their damage in 1000 cuts", even though similar to ability of Nyx. There also is a probability of them choosing to transform themselves to be able to survive, although that would be kinda weird.)
7. Non of HIS kind hunt high profile targets despite being able to. Only warframe controlled by tenno does that.
8. Tenno specifically remarked that Stalker hates warframes. There is a high enough possibility that he hunts Warframes controlled by tenno not only because of their responsibility for Night of the Naga Drums, but also for who warframes are. If my speculation would be correct, such transformation would leave him mentally scarred enough to try both to tend his transformed wife and do his best to kill every single tenno-controlled warframe (as Hunhow referred to them - puppets, incapable of anything without tenno). Then, due tenno waking up, encountering warframes that were destroyed before but revived by Tenno. That might be another reason why he hunts us whenever we hunt bosses - he might know that we are trying to rebuild a warframe. We still don't know both the story of his origin, nor entirety of his motivation - there might be some unknown variable or hidden layer, or he might have more motivations then just haltered.
Either way, we know that unlike Jade that was not able to speak, their child, even though transformed, behaves much more like a human baby rather then a warframe - perhaps there is a chance that their child will be much more free in terms of expression then their parents. That would be an interesting parallel of them being a result of breaking unjust law.
If Hunhow saw Orokin as enemies, why team up with Stalker, the ally of Orokin?
@@A_Game_Zone because Orokin were presumed gone for a long time and the only person capable of ending the old war was his daughter, changed into her current form to tend the Tenno. Only creature that hunts the Tenno, even if said creature does it in the name of empire long fallen, makes a perfect partner.
Also, I did not consider him not remembering Jade's name and information about Jade being lost (thus existing as a warframe) when the slaughter happened. There is a high possibility that Soren didn't knew about her fate up to the point of his transformation, believing that he lost her to massacre.
@@strgn1360 that’s a possibility but tbf for me this quest seemed more like a random drop into a story than a build of something already established. Besides my expectations, it wasn’t something of which I was searching the answers for.
This was such an emotionally gripping quest. Now to see if Stalker will hunt us down for child support lol
This is the first video of yours I've seen and I immediately subbed after watching the whole thing. The atmosphere you created with the editing, the deep dive into the scraps of lore we've gotten over the years about the Stalker, along with the new dialogue we got, and bringing that all together into one cohesive viewing experience... It's amazing and I intend to watch more of your videos for the next few hours before we get to experience Jade Shadows tomorrow.
Wow, Thank you! I really appreciate that and yes, I like to try to make the video visually pleasing as well as informative if I can! This week should be a really good one for future content for the video, so definitely visit the channel as often as possible!
I believe, regarding the part about helminthology, that the stalker has more in common with the proto warframes we see teased for 1999 than an actual warframe, he's almost like an in-between of the two. Still mostly human but much more consumed by the helminth than the proto warframes are
My hunch is that he chose to transform himself into his current form after the fall of the orokin after somehow gaining access to the strain, same for his acolytes later on, rather than being granted it by the orokin themselves.
You know, umbra is very similar, and he is classic warframe for sure. He can't speak, true, but its because of Ballas. He couldnt even when He was still Dax.
@@nerf1227 something something about "special transference bolt"
This is the same question with Stalker now.
I don't want to believe that tenno can transfer into Stalker. It'll just become more like Sacrifice 2.0 and I want both Stalker and Umbra to keep their uniqueness. Let Stalker's pain be taken away by his own son this time.
Side note, totally random stuff: I always wanted a greatsword fight between Paracesis Umbra vs War Stalker...
Now I don't want them to fight each other, but to team up because both of them can understand each other.
@@A_Game_Zone I get your point. Through narativ perspective I agree with you, but lore wise not so much. We still dont know everything. Umbra first reject tenno so possibly Stalker can do the same way. Perhaps sole will of warframe can be enough against void power. Stalker is unique but still a warframe, we for now cant deny it.
@@nerf1227 we also don't know how lore accurate is stalker as transferable warframe in duviri
@@A_Game_Zone yup
YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSECQUENCES
- Stalker -
Boy do they ever, lol
Tomorrow when the update drops, i am going to completely isolate myself from social media so i can see the quest in full without getting any spoilers!
I'm going to be fortunate enough to be playing it on stream, but... I'm sure it will be worth the wait whenever you do get your chance to dig in to it!
I think it was implied in Jade's Light that the Reason Stalker and Jade got the Helminth was like with Umbra that he did Something to displease Ballas (Giving Jade a Child while a Lower Guard) and that there Lifes as Warframes were there Punishment fitted with an Umbra Bolt to never be able to Forget
I think an entire campaign centered around the Stalker's backstory and the fall of the Orokin empire would be cool if they were willing to build an entire separate storyline. It could be like playing Shadow The Hedgehog.
It could parallel the story we see in The Sacrifice thematically but be a step up in terms of length and separation from the main game.
Then afterwards maybe we could play new levels every so often like with veil breaker, just when we feel like playing as the Stalker.
Absolutely agree with you, I've always wondered what the orokin empire looked like at its prime.
I think it'd be so neat to finally see
I always knew that the Stalker is a Warframe gone rogue like Umbra!
However I was not expected to see Jade
New to warframe, a month in... and after finishing all quests (I'm a huge lore guy - that's what drives games for me) I felt a little lost? I made connections and pieced things together but was confused where some parts were. Your videos helped me understand that they were all individual pieces here and there from all over - missions, side quests, faction leveling, etc. While I'll get to them in my own game, I really loved how you pieced this entire series together. Watched all these videos in your 23 part series and I can't wait to watch more of your videos. Keep it up man, love the attention to detail and great work editing/making it intriguing.
Thank you!!!! and... if you liked those, wait til my next one!
Maybe the stalker really is just a warframe with a mind trapped in it. Maybe he found out how to transfer himself into one like the tenno...but without proper tenno powers, he couldn't transfer out. Maybe his real body was killed and now his frame is his prison, making him a rather tortured reflection of what the tenno thought they were before the second dream. We're people who can jump into and out of frames; Umbra is a frame that remembers his death...maybe the stalker is just a frame, holding the essence of an unlucky fool who did something desperate and is stuck in a hell of his own making?
This quest made Rule 34 canon
I stand by the idea that Stalker had a 'long Helminth' strain in him the whole time he was a Low Guardian - or at least after he exposed his secrets to his masters; as much a 'reward' as it is a bitter, permanent, lash of a chain - as it would explain his trouble with speaking as well as zoning him into that singular memory - the moment where the serum in his blood took hold.
Furthermore, he continues his hunt, possibly for several reasons - part of a routine or habit, because of bounties or reward for selling parts WE drop from our frames when HE beats us, if he does, or just as a way to keep himself afresh by literally rebounding off of us while his Acolytes take turns with tending to that which would be otherwise neglected by this 'duty'.
Or no reason at all - it could just be 'Eternalism' in the 'gameplay=/=lore' sense.
The Stalker who lends his scythe to us may rather be him from a timeline where things went better for him and those he held dear, if any (those who've played Jade Shadows will have the answer(s) to this, like me, but I'm phrasing this as is for your safety; play the quest).
My interpretation of this is that the Tenno were split into different casts (be it by age, proficiency with continuity or mentality, given the fact they were being sent to war) and one of those casts were the low guardians, who were likely not under the command of the Lotus, as their role was likely guarding the orokin towers from incursion.
We know some frames were made for specific, non-war related purposes (Protea and Daggath for example) and if I'm not mistaken the primes were originally made to guard the towers, which would make sense.
By that logic the Stalker is a tenno that wasn't part of the Lotus' war plan, who then, upon being awoken from the dream lost his shit, likely put himself back into the dream or something of the sort and that led to the Shaker we now know
That's a very interesting way to view it, I'd always just thought of them as... well pod babies walking around in warframe suits, but... yeah, it's probably pretty likely the skills of each would vary and thus may have divided them in a similar manner, in the spirit of how the orokin divided the rest of their underlings...
[EXTREMELY LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER]
Let's hope the new quest gives lore to him
I'm hoping they give us some context about the past, would love to have some actual proof of things, lol
@@TheDsIEGEit was mentioned in warframe Jade shadow that we was going to have shadow backstory.😊
I think the confusing thing about the Stalker was the way that it feels like they completely changed what happened to him. Though maybe I had misunderstood something.
After Second Dream the Shadow Stalker showed up, which I assumed amounted to the stalker being effectively dead and this new "Shadow Stalker" being a mindless puppet, a shadow of his former self. Which also easily explained why the stalker would continue to fight us even after we became pointlessly OP. He was no longer thinking.
But then New War and Jade Shadows kinda completely undid the process of making Shadow Stalker, reverting him from the War Wielding Shadow to the Hate wielding Normal stalker.
So... What un-shadowed him between then and now? Was he EVER really the Shadow?
I hope at some point we get a prequel quest about the slaughter of the orokin and we get to actually carry it out
ME TOO!!!
Margulis, showed me that even if the orokin empire was evil. Not all orokin were evil. In there somewhere where still were good people.
I really can’t wait for this to be looked into further with the next story quest after. As time has gone on, the Stalker has become more developed and has at times decided against killing us the player, and I think with his new child he’ll begin a new journey down a different path, hopefully a better one
Thank you for making this video! I really enjoy listening to you explain this game to me. I have Autism and Warframe has been my primary hyperfixation for years, so I always get super excited when you upload.
I think the "worldshapers breath" means Hunhow's meddling with that other visitor since the Sentients were created to terraform/shape worlds and he probably used some of those tools adapt her.
I am really eager for the quest, I ask myself if we will be able to "take his pain away" as we have done with Umbra, he deserves it, he is too tired from a burden too heavy to carry, like Sisyphus.
I hope that comes to fruition too... We need another frame like umbra that can maybe fight with the tenno!
Fun fact: according to the wiki, it has been confirmed that Stalker's messages are on auto-reply.
It also says you can see him if you soend vestigial motes with Ordis ar the Drifter camp (he's by the river with his son, and disappears the instant the camera turns away)
I was debating if Hunhow's words were meant towards Jade or Yarelli given its the latter's skin shown on screen at that section and she does look very deep-sea-ish. But the idea of Hunhow perhaps modifying Jade to survive - perhaps it might explain one of her more unique qualities with the double aura slot. Tomorrow perhaps will bring some clarity, one way or another. As of right now, the Sentients are still the most mysterious faction to me given even now, there numbers are few compared to the likes of the Grineer and Corpus in the Origin system but it can be assumed must be great now on Tau. Here's hoping this update might shed a little more on them... with more details to come...
Tomorrow literally can't come soon enough, I'm dying for some answers, lol
I think he was talking about Yareli cause she is the one with the joyful persona
After the Jade quest, now he hunts us tenno because we dare to play as his wife.
I always assumed the stalker was a warframe with will even before umbra was a thing
I should note DsIEGE that canonwise, his attacks on us- the main tenno specifically aren’t likely canon.
It’s the shadow stalker that attacks us, when it’s evident from the two newest story quests that he has returned to his normal gear.
It’s possibly why he only is willing to ask our Tenno for help, since he knows that out of all of them- ours is seemingly special and deserving of a begrudging respect. Perhaps even understanding.
Even Hunhow suggests that the stalker’s hatred of us has dwindled. Does he like us? No. Not really. He makes that pretty clear. But he’s willing to work with us in mutually beneficial ways.
With his newfound purpose, alongside the fact that our Tenno willingly helped grant that new purpose- I have a feeling he is thankful. Maybe even able to let his feelings go, in honor of Jade and the life she gave to him.
16:55 As far as I understand it, duviri is not an actual part of reality, but a delusional construct created by the drifter, who wishes for an end to the war. Therefore it makes sense that the drifter imagines some kind of peace between the stalker and us.
The duviri stalker even looks different due to lack of his signature armor.
During the new war, stalker seems to only help the drifter because the situation and hunhow force him to.
On another note: I can't wait to get to fight pazuul (hopefully including a fourth base archon shard type).
And on a third note: the whole sentient conflict blends in well with the rise of AI irl. It's a neat analogy to a modern day problem. Will we side with the sentients/embrace AI like ballas and stalker or will we fight it like the tenno do? I suddenly feel sympathy for stalker.
And yes, I'd forgive stalker. Like I wouldn't vanquish a lich if they just handed over the guns.
Hunhow: listen up, Sorren
Stalker: SILENCE!
Stalker: Only Jade may say that name.
He's very loyal to his BAE
No matter, the real question still remains:
Is Vauban a Warframe, or a man in a suit?
While my head says a warframe, my heart says a suited man...
Man prime
19:47 also I’ve not heard anyone mention that Jade seems to be pregnant under her wings, and her I think it’s her noble animation has her stroking her belly in a way a pregnant mother normally would.
Of course this brings up meny questions like did this happen after she was made into a frame or did they turn a pregnant woman and her baby into a Warframe 😱
Can we all agree that parvos is becoming a big threat and the back and forth between parvos and ordis/ordan karis it gave me chills that they made aa brought ordan up again
Now that jade shadows is out, it's clear that he can teleport to our orbiter whenever he wants so it means, he could have kill us quite easily if he would have wished to do so. And I mean killing a tenno seems to be quite a tricky part as we as a tenno return to the void and come back to life but this just shows yet again that he seems not to be able/want to kill us
So fun fact, Ordis has a line if you just chill in your orbiter that says that stalker and umbra both walk around the ship.
Cap. Haven’t heard it at all
So I was right about the name he gets called (though I spelled it differently) I have to say the stalker looks more like a Bob than a sorren.
I wonder if we're going to be playing as Stalker in this new quest?
Given the perspective they give in the teaser trailer I assume we will be to at least some degree
I'm hoping the alignment compass comes into play this quest. Whether one falls to one or the other side of dealing with problems, whether one goes into the light or into the dark.
Would be funny if they uncovered that Shadow is just a tenno that went for all the Lua/dark choices and this is where they end up in the world
I wish the story had been longer, not so abrupt on how it started, and ending, otherwise I enjoy how they expand the story in unique ways
I personally would love to have the stalkers helmet be a universal one, but if we get him as a regular frame, i personally would be fine with that. I can't wait for tomorrow to play jade shadows.
Also, it is interesting that the shadow version of the stalker is basically umbras body without the scarf and gold.
Hope we can see tau, or maybe the dax army. Great video
Me too, we went through all the troubles of the railjack launch, it's time to see that big beautiful galaxy!
14:56 "A worldshapers breath 'adapting' her shape..." Hunhow is the worldshaper who's breath is "adapting" (could mean just so that water pressure or time or some other bs cant hurt her) who i presume to be Jade
Also Hunhow was a farmer so the scythe tangent makes sense.
Your Hunhow impression is scary good
Thank you!!!
**Sigh**
I miss my wife, Tenno. I miss her a lot. I'll be back.
I'm enjoying your content keep up the good work
my theory on why stalker hunts those who killed a boss is hes doing it as a form of culling the strong, something along those lines
Very nice video as always, but i wanted to ask you a question... Have you noticed that in sanctum anatomica the man in the wall's hear can be audibly heard when you approach his "statue" but you can't hear loid's... Was wondering what your thoughts are on that
My take aways from the whole Quest were.
Stalkers name is Sorren
Stalker breaks the no talking rule given to warframes.
Stalker and Jade are OG frames. Since the Orokin massacre, they're like Umbra but for the most part but less trauma....kinda
Ballas didnt give a shit about anyone. Even so much as Warframing pregnant woman.
Stalker simped for the Orokin, they caused his pain but the Tenno freed him from his suffering but he was too far to reverse the brainwashing.
Yet we still dont know enough of the stalker, they could have gone further for the quest and set it up a lil better. If you follow the lore you understand more but outright this quest was an...interesting one I can see where people got lost and werent feeling it.
Also note, the new mission has more lore revealing Ordis outside of his lore things in the codex and how long Parvos was stuck in the granum void.
....also the fact that DE has an issue with a glitch allowing you to bring in Puppies and Kittens into a mission but not a Pregnant woman into battle.
I mean... we all knew the orokin were total trash so... is any of this really a surprise?
@@TheDsIEGE just needed that eeeeeextra reinforcment.
I really want a confontation resulting in understanding between stalker and umbra. Technically umbra has every reason to be worse than stalker. Stalker may have lost Jade but he still has his child. Umbra lost everything yet, with help, was able to find peace and a new purpose.
“Why does that stalker still attack us after the new war.” Because he’s a game mechanic. Would you want the developers to code in something that would prevent him from spawning and prevent you from potentially getting the War blueprint he drops and then what about squad members what if they haven’t completed the new war. Would he not be able to spawn while you are in a group with them?
There is no story continuity in the corridor missions and what happens in them unless they are a quest mission. Just because he spawns doesn’t mean he still hates us in the story currently. They exist outside the story.
I mean... they couldn't just stop that mechanic? Did you notice that if he attacks Jade he instantly leaves?
@@TheDsIEGE can’t say I have noticed that because I did the quest to advance my story and understand of the character. Not see what happens when I attack the thing I’m obviously meant not to attack.
Most lucrative and sagacious lore master.
This quest just lefts us with more questions, during the quest it seems they tell us Stalker is a warframe just like umbra, but, unlike umbra which has only 1 memory left, Stalker has his whole memory intact.
Umbra remembers killing his son , and Balla's words, nothing more; but stalker remembers the Tenno betrayal, he remembers his wife, that fact they were expecting a baby when volunteering for the warframe project; he seems to be a perfect and fully functional autonomous warframe, and Jade too.
At the same time, where were the acolytes? Angst, Malice, Mania, Misery, Torment and Violence were n where to be found; if they are followers of the Stalker, as their title acolyte implies and being listed as "faction: stalker", why didn't they help him? If they are separated being from the stalker, why didn't they fight the corpus?
Seven warframe against the corpus, that should have been an easy fight, unless, the stalker is a Tenno, and they are his warframes, but that would conflict with the story as it's being told to us; he being a person turned into a warframe and jaded being his wife also turned into a warframe.
This quest provided us no answers, just a hint to his story, and left us with many new questions. Like how was it possibel for Jade to be pregnant and how will the baby grow up.
This is the first instance of a naturally born warframe, not made, not fabricated or clones like the ones we use, this baby was conceived and born.
Are there any other perfect autonomous, tenno-less, warframes? Was the Chroma from the New Strange one of them?
I cannot stop thinking about the implications of what we just saw ...
You did a brilliant impression reading the dialog, but I haven't played in years, so where did you get your hands on said dialog?
In the description of the video I have a link titled "the Reaper's lament", you can find it there, and thank you!!!!
I wonder if he is similar to Umbra
That's what I believe at least!
Fun fact: Umbra in romanian means "Shadow"
even more compelling evidence, yes?
@@akhannar9368 Umbra in Portuguese means The Shadow of a Celestial Body where its light is completely occult.
@@akhannar9368Umbra in Latin means Shadow too
Loved this one and I share many of your interpretations
I'm glad you did, the new quest actually confirmed a fair bit of it for both of us then!
@@TheDsIEGE oh by the way I discovered something, in a video I saw that if you have equipped Jade, Stalker will despawn saying "Never"
Hearing Ordis mention Umbra was like a cypher key for understanding the quest, I just wish it was a bit longer or had a few more prop pieces or vitruvian like The Sacrifice had. I'm afraid the quests are getting tighter, quick laps you run to familiarize yourself with a new gameplay loop. When they said it was a story quest I was hoping for a bit more investigation or adventuring to find solutions, I don't mind playing game modes I've already played, I'm more engaged with the audio the character dialogue that transpires overtop of the mission. There was really not enough Hunhow or Balas in this quest, I did like hearing from a non descript corpus captain and lieutenant that was pretty cool, but given the context I feel like we should have heard a fair mite more bickering maybe between the operator and Hunhow or the Stalker themselves. TRY...
Big QoL win though, being able to tweak your arsenal right form the navigation map is a game changer
Think Stalker might be a proto-frame? Like Similar to Arthur and Aoi?
Serious question what’s the difference between Stalker and Shadow Stalker
Shadow stalker is imbued with Hunhow's sentient gifts.
They also have different entries in the Index, much to my chagrin as I didn't manage to scan regular Stalker before I got to Shadow Stalker. I've heard you can semi-reliably get normal Stalker to spawn by replaying the New Strange quest, but I may be forever stufck with a blight on my record.
"Your actions have consequences" is reminiscent of your earlier point on warframes destroying the empire and destabilizing it's "innocent" inhabitant's lives and families. So killing any boss is not only a justification for aggression, but maybe reminds him of us destabilizing any form of government structure and lives.
'When will you learn tenno, that' "your a actions have consequences."
And I am excited
Me too!!!!
Stalker is nothing more than that one guy who shows up late to the leveling party, someone pings him, and he immediately gets mobbed by four Tenno and dies instantly.
i think that stalker is like harrow left his body and living inside the frame
I'm hoping we find out for sure tomorrow
Wasnt Yareli the one reshaped? As it is her new skin kinda a sentient variant, and also it is at the side. "Fellow Jetsam", "adapting her shape".
The one rescued seems to be a Yareli.
My two cents after Jade (spoilers for the Jade quest):
1. Stalker is a Waframe. Otherwise the Drifter couldn't control him in Circuit.
2. The Stalker in the Circuit is not the same as the one in the Origin System. It was built by the Drifter's intrinsinc understanding of the void. Not completely sure about this one though, because the Drifter did help Hunhow and the Shadow Stalker by defeating the original three Archons, so the Stalker might be a volunteer here. He might be able to cross from Circulus to the Circuit.
3. Stalker was a Warframe BEFORE the Orokin fell. He and Jade were working together and Jade saved the Stalker.
4. Stalker and Jade were married before being turned into Warframes. (The reason why she knows his name.)
5. The Stalker might be either like Umbra, OR still a Dreamer (not awakened from the Second Dream). But I think there's a third alternative: he is both. Let me explain.
Natah said the reservoir made him go mad. I think the Stalker is at least partially awake and was shocked to see pods in the reservoir, not understanding how he can be at two places at the same time. His operator's mind is probably so intertwined with that of Soren's that they are almost one entity. This would also explain why he didn't attack at the night of the naga drums: his Tenno side wanted to, his Soren side was loyal to the Orokin.
10:50 the reaper's lament
At 26.09 i got that feeling everytime i try to put on a new warframe in a mission there is always a stalker then i have nothing to kill him with so i die.
Man the difference one day makes
Right???
Sooooo, Does ANYONE know the Soundtrack at the beginning of the video?
I can't find the original video I used but... this is the song, specifically at "33:17" in that video (Dualism) ua-cam.com/video/LzRFuVWeUTg/v-deo.html
@@TheDsIEGE Thank You SOOOOO Much. I had NO clue that piece of OST was from the New War.
There is a Nora quote that says something alog the lines of "one of our own believes they are the equal of our foe" i wonder if that refers to stalker himself or something else
It’s been insinuated that The Stalker and Jade were pregnant with their child, which was a crime. Hence, as retribution, they were turned into Warframes, with some of their memories or personalities intact. That is why Jade is pregnant, because she was turned into a Warframe while she was pregnant as a human. Jade then became the executioner and held the powers of the Jade Light.
With the amount of innocents, workers minding their own bussiness, we've killed between corpus and grineer, it's only obvious that we need to forgive the stalker if it comes to it. You know for the karma.
I'll forgive him... if he gives me a Broken War blueprint.
I... may have done a Canon event with my Quest Broken War.
NO!!! Not the broken War!!! Maybe with this quest and all they'll boost some drop rates or make it available through a new vendor. You never know!
tbf. I think the Stalker still hunts us because removing his invasions would cut off the only avenue to ge his weapons. Lore-Wise I think he's done hunting us, but mechanically the Stalker Mechanic remains as a source of his mods and weapons
I would love to play this myself!!!
IF I HAD A NECHRAMECH
Ah yes... I remember that grind. It... wasn't the best.
@@TheDsIEGE YOOOO NO WAY YOU NOTICED ME YOURE SO GOATED
Does Anyone know what the soundtrack is for the first 40 Seconds of the video??
Now I feel bad for never finishing his codex entries. Now I can't get normal or Shadow and probably never will
I don't think the stalker is a warframe. Loid said warframes don't talk as a rule, but do you think there is a possibility that low guardians are allowed to speak a little bit, and that there are high guardians that are allowed freedom of speech.
14:57 was referring to yareli and her new deluxe skin also.
Look I know that the Yareli skin says hunhow fashioned it but... this story is about Jade. She is the frame that Hunhow is talking about the entire time, and Jade is the husk of a frame seen in their very quarters, needing Sorren's attention. Yareli clearly didn't need any assistance from us, and was not a wounded husk as was described, not to mention it says this happened at the fall of the orokin which would have been potentially centuries before this quest. Also, I think Sorren's transformation was different than most of the other warframes as the memorial in the conclave alludes to that. Now, the other thing to consider is that Stalker really couldn't "speak" basically only being able to whisper to us as he stalked us. The change in his voice in my opinion is actually kind of detracting from the story and offers a lot more questions. Why does he only speak like that now? I get they wanted the new guy to voice him but... That aspect of the update I was not a huge fan of.
Wish we got much more info.
And concrete indesputable info.
Riddlespeak and vague info can be nice, but at this point I just want a full disclosure on Stalker.
so there ARE voices sometimes!
I main Wisp so her void sfx always make me think it was just her and not the environment.