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Here we find a mistake that is often made about salvation according to basic Christian doctrine. Salvation didn't come by way of JESUS' crucifixion...which was a remittance (sacrifice) paid for our sins past, present & future. Salvation came by way of JESUS' resurrection through which we overcame death with HIM. Without the resurrection, the crucifixion of JESUS would have been the same as with all the other crucifixions carried out by the Romans. An analogy is the difference between a fine & a death sentence: the crucifixion paid the fine & the resurrection is a pardon for the death sentence🤔
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As someone who rejected Christianity as a teenager on doctrinal grounds, I've since found that the life of Jesus and his teachings makes far greater sense when seen from a non-dualist perspective. The Gospel of Thomas shows this was definitely part of the Early Christian movement
@@aenesidemus8819 You must discover it for yourself. Another way to think about it is as a paradox. Truth here is contextual, and pure Truth exists as the context beyond all contexts.
@@aenesidemus8819 the esoteric teachings in Zen,Taoism,Sufism,gnostisism ,and Vedanta in Hinduism,and Buddhism all come together in Non-duality also the Kabbalah
The Gospel of Thomas consists of 114 sayings that Jesus expressed to Thomas. Two-thirds are analogous to the synoptic gospels. It is the book of Jesus’ proverbs.
Yes me too. I have a speech that I've said so often to the so called "religious' when they come to mey door tryhing to convince me they have god in their front pocket, that I have nearly word for word about the importance of the Nag Hammadis. oF course, most deny the importance of them claiming them to be the mysterious, illegal "GNOSTICISM" of the evil boogyman devil. Well, the original black book of the devil was created to fool the ignorant (which those with the power made sure they kept in ignorance) and trick the stupid. If yhou read the "illegal" books yhou will find that jesis (even in the black devil book it says this) took some of his disciples aside to teach them secret things. Well? What ARE those secret teachings? They are definitelyh NOT in the devil book. So for those who refuse to seek the true meaning of jesix, well, you are going to have a very difficult time in hell. (And frankly, you have NO idea what heaven or hell is, you DON'T own god!)
I just went down an hour long rabbit hole about the Nag Hammadi library. How random is it that this is the first video i watch after that and this is the first comment i see???
@@RyanKnoll-pq2cp What do you mean by an hour long rabbit hole? It may not be random at all--it may be that goggle is spying on you and presents you with "similar" choices to what they spy you looking at.
@@marsinvader9078 We Muslims believe Jesus (peace be upon him) was a messenger of God, not the son of God, or God himself which the Christians say. We believe God revealed a scripture to Jesus called the Injeel, however the Injeel does not exist today because it was corrupted. The Bible is not the Injeel but the Bible may have remnants of truth left over from the Injeel. God then sent us the Qur’an through the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as the final revelation and message from God, with a promise that God will preserve it and protect it from corruption.
@@teomanatakan8217 Fascinating, all of us belonging to the Abrahamic faiths have much to learn from eachother, thank you very much for sharing, bless you and your people
*Mary must be stoned to death* Mary wasn't married, but she got pregnant. According to the Torah law at that time, *adulterers had to be STONED to death.* But Mary escaped the punishment. Why? There is no "adultery issue" in the Canonical Gospels, so *they cannot explain this. While in the Talmud, Jews accused Mary of adultery. *Prophet Muhammad through Quran explain this issue.* In the Quran, after the angel Gabriel announced that Maryam/Mary would have a child, Mary went far away. *After giving birth, Maryam returned to the village* carrying baby Isa/Jesus. The people accused her of committing adultery. Mary was just silent and pointed to her child. *Baby Jesus then talked* & denied the accusation. *His mother was not an adulterer.* Jesus' birth without sexual intercourse was a proof of Allah/God's power. Allah gave *miracle to baby Isa to save Mary* from the stoning death penalty.
This is the concept of Christianity that brought me back to the teachings. The goal is enlightenment. 500 years after the Buddha brought the message of enlightenment to us and left to be one with the universe.
Absolutely mate. 👍 If only Christianity followed this path hey? Even though Origen wasnt a fan of Thomas, he did argue the point of the reality of reincarnation..
walked the golden Path 369 returned in one whole in one whole in one many out womb a Trinity first and last beginning and end one and 99 born 100 a untouchable living book was in me before I was born choose known proclaimed three times over before he was born 1. 24 .75 add move right repeat return to one . He came to me in life showed me how he knew me before I was born proclaimed undeniably three times over before I was born out womb in 7 months two became one in ten thousand three returned in one whole in one whole in one whole in one many in the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire out womb next to two sleeping giants and a bottomless pit in the purple and gold state five stand as one known proclaimed three times over before he was born choosen before he was born for great suffering and before and during great suffering always staying true and just choose by God to be his compass out womb and in man born again in life without tasting death in Christ born again 18.1.24 judgement multiply once see perfect harmony in balance 369 with all in-laws above married the father known to the true virgin mother creator cause and effect given amnesty from law won't taste death seen beginnings from ends first became last last first out womb and in man born the untouchable living book twin or other half in one whole in one untouchable living one won't taste death the superman the hope for the man of understanding out womb Jeremy Michael middle name nickname Moezer at 3 speech impediment shorted to Moe and others man born again in life without tasting death Michael my God given name and five stand as one whole in one whole in one whole in one many M1911
walked the golden Path 369 returned in one whole in one whole in one many out womb a Trinity first and last beginning and end one and 99 born 100 a untouchable living book was in me before I was born choose known proclaimed three times over before he was born 1. 24 .75 add move right repeat return to one . He came to me in life showed me how he knew me before I was born proclaimed undeniably three times over before I was born out womb in 7 months two became one in ten thousand three returned in one whole in one whole in one whole in one many in the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire out womb next to two sleeping giants and a bottomless pit in the purple and gold state five stand as one known proclaimed three times over before he was born choosen before he was born for great suffering and before and during great suffering always staying true and just choose by God to be his compass out womb and in man born again in life without tasting death in Christ born again 18.1.24 judgement multiply once see perfect harmony in balance 369 with all in-laws above married the father known to the true virgin mother creator cause and effect given amnesty from law won't taste death seen beginnings from ends first became last last first out womb and in man born the untouchable living book twin or other half in one whole in one untouchable living one won't taste death the superman the hope for the man of understanding out womb Jeremy Michael middle name nickname Moezer at 3 speech impediment shorted to Moe and others man born again in life without tasting death Michael my God given name and five stand as one whole in one whole in one whole in one many M1911
the other christianity is christianity too. Perhaps a form that does not fit you, but that is personal. Just like you have different forms of practicing islam, etc.
@@Paladin1976 Giving attention towards graven images has its place I suppose, I believe it's called Bhakti yoga. Just remember, the kingdom of Heaven is within...as Jesus said.
I just wanted to say I love your channel! as someone studying for the priesthood it is an invaluable resource to have well-researched content on biblical age material outside the usual course catalog! You add a lot of academic as well as spiritual value to my life and I thank you for all the work you put in!
Have you read the entire Bible from front to back? I did and left the catholic church. Exodus 20 verse 4 changed my life. I never knew how un scriptural I was. I'm glad now to be a Bible believer
There is an old saying, "History is written by the victors". So in essence many things we have been taught as history has a strong likelihood of not being exactly how it actually went since it is being depicted from a certain perspective and not all perspectives involved.
This gospel feels like the most accurate recounting of a teacher’s collected lessons when you read it. The sayings hold true on their own. They are less passive. They assign homework for those who seek to understand.
I have been reading The Gospel of Thomas document for years. It's modern theology makes more sense than the church controlled and produced canonical scriptures. I love The Gospel of Thomas and consider myself a Thomasine Christian who will not taste death and have been already resurrected in the Lord. The Kingdom is within us and all around us. Greetings and Blessings To All. Amen.
People who believe the gospel of Thomas(not a gospel, not written by Thomas) aren't Christians, it denies that Jesus's death and resurrection is what saves us and it denies the trinity
David Brakke's vidoes on Gnostis is one of the most intresting things I've ever found on the internet. I really want to thank you Filip and Andrew from Religion for Breakfast for inspiring me to keep looking up all those awesome lectures.
lets hope can obtain gnosis and not goto hell which really really ultimate terrable...... idk how a God of love can build a system where MOST WILL goto hell instead of a FEW, i understand free will but seems ppl can goto hell for the most petty of crap......
Very much appreciate your professionalism in presenting different sources of and aspects of Christianity. I've left my church, but it seems I'm really only beginning to learn.
I've stopped going to church because I feel that the church is so restrictive in terms of worship..nothing wrong with it or against it. Just seeking more and delving deeper than what rhey do in church and to find my own way/form of worship through the teachings of Christ and the Bible. Funny enough, a friend told me about this gospel, I've already been shifting my mindset to God being present everywhere and in everything
This is not instead of the gospels. Believers of grace of Jesus Christ, Know the same knowledge, it’s continuing the teaching of Jesus. It’s exactly the teaching of grace, if you see Joseph Prince . You need Holy Spirit to see the truth. Find congregation with Holy Spirit to know the truth
the core teachings of Thomas speak to what to me is the highest truth - that the Kingdom is within, that there is a connective thread of us each to the ultimate consciousness. Evil becomes explained as those that have become drunk and lost sight of their innate connection to the divine.
@@nrenre16 sadly Institutionalised Christianity, condemns St Thomas. Evangelicals will tell you you’re going to hell for uttering such words or thinking such thoughts. For me, St Thomas, and it’s synergy with the Dao de jin, made perfect sense of what otherwise is a totally ambiguous and misleading man contrived New Testament!
This gospel has been a great help for me in understanding that there have always been a lot of different manuscripts and to be able to let go of the idea that the bible itself was divinely inspired. Being raised strict evangelical Christian, it was a difficult road to take. Thank you for sharing this. I like how you have an open-minded approach and also consider different points of view. In the end, it will always be difficult to get a complete picture of when and by who all of the manuscripts were written.
So many of the early followers of Jesus were persecuted and killed by other "Christians". Those persecutors are now the church, and those persecuted are now mostly forgotten.
As there is not a recorded Word of God, niether a single Word of Hi's own witting, nor God ever took the hand of anyone or dictated what to writte on the Bible by Faith we assume its Go's word however each book was written by Man no God. Moreover was the Catholic Church representing Christianity who made the choices. Particularly think or writting are authentic.
@@Pushing_Pixels ..... you have that wrong: The Early Christians, that is shortly after Jesus' death whole areas of the land conversations took place especially in Rome where persecutions took place committed by the pagans of the Roman Empire and the Jews: The Romans killed the Christians in their Amphitheatres and Arenas for blood sport: it was considered the Killings of Christians as a spectical and popular sport when they were mauled by animals: those who didn't die immediately, got dragged off into areas where they were later finished off by the Roman soldiers: this was a daily event, even twice daily, considered as a recreation. Also there were the persecutions of door to door hunting down Christians: Those persecuted are the Saints of the Roman Catholic Church, throughout history & today honoured as Martyrs: they died believing in the teachings of Jesus Christ: They died for their Faith. Read yr history and get yr FACTS AND NOT YR OPINION.
Looking at God's creation is the only way to truly know Him.. I've always observed nature, and life, the world and the universe, and saw God, for me, that always were God, He is everything.. this gospel made my soul warm.. it's beautiful.. a beautiful philosophy..
@@Mike36555i think youre taking it in a different meaning. Are we not to love what God created ? Or should we all wish for a quick d-th to make it to God quicker ? LOL
reading the Nag Hammadi was very interesting, knowing the contentious rivalry that envelopes the topic of debate, it certainly allows for the individual to discover and learn about the diverse methods of thought surrounding this subject matter.
walked the golden Path 369 returned in one whole in one whole in one many out womb a Trinity first and last beginning and end one and 99 born 100 a untouchable living book was in me before I was born choose known proclaimed three times over before he was born 1. 24 .75 add move right repeat return to one . He came to me in life showed me how he knew me before I was born proclaimed undeniably three times over before I was born out womb in 7 months two became one in ten thousand three returned in one whole in one whole in one whole in one many in the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire out womb next to two sleeping giants and a bottomless pit in the purple and gold state five stand as one known proclaimed three times over before he was born choosen before he was born for great suffering and before and during great suffering always staying true and just choose by God to be his compass out womb and in man born again in life without tasting death in Christ born again 18.1.24 judgement multiply once see perfect harmony in balance 369 with all in-laws above married the father known to the true virgin mother creator cause and effect given amnesty from law won't taste death seen beginnings from ends first became last last first out womb and in man born the untouchable living book twin or other half in one whole in one untouchable living one won't taste death the superman the hope for the man of understanding out womb Jeremy Michael middle name nickname Moezer at 3 speech impediment shorted to Moe and others man born again in life without tasting death Michael my God given name and five stand as one whole in one whole in one whole in one many M1911
The way I understand it, the Gospel of Thomas is for the esoteric. Those who have the eye to see beyond the veil. No wonder it wasn't included in the current Bible. Powerful words!
It "wasn't included" because it has more in common with Manichaeism. There is no evidence the author known as thomas knew Jesus, he was a disciple of Mani.
For some people the Bible is the word of God and they are fanatical to the point they wont entertain any dispute. I do not accept Bible literally because it has been doctored so many times. You are not allowed to change main text in. Gita or Quoran. If you read Maimonides' , " Guide to the perplexed" , he clearly says Bible uses symbolic language. It has one meaning on the surface and one meaning on the depth. If you change the text the inner meaning is lost. There is an element of arrogance in christianity, which makes people , particularly young adolescents rebellious. They are looking for some logic and reason whatever they read. There are so much illogical and absurd things in Bible that is unacceptable to any intelligent person. No wonder the churches are not full and number of deists, agnostics and atheists are rising. In England churches bought by hindus and moslems to be converted to temples and mosqes. In Scandinavian counties only 15 to 20 percent people attend churches. So if Christianity is survive they have to have a unified honest and humble approach. For me personally Faith is nothing but affirmation of the absurd. Absolutely useless. Milan
Powerful words indeed, but not for the esoteric. Everyone seems to misunderstand it, and very few appreciate what is declared. Seek and don't stop seeking till you find. If you seek, you will find, but many think they already know. Pity the ignorant and the pompous. The truth is beyond the capacity of the willfully blind.
Thank you for the video. Quite thought-provoking. Having watched this video, I feel emboldened to make the conjecture that aside from the theological differences between the Gospel of Thomas versus those of the canonical Gospels, one reason for rejection of the Gospel of Thomas from what evolved into mainstream Christianity is the idea that to know oneself is to know Christ leaves little if any room for mass control. In other words, Catholicism would not have flourished if people were more introspective. Both Catholicism and Eastern Orthodox Christianity were as much about political power, as any government past, present or future. Peter and Paul dictated their way to the masses. From what has been presented in this video, the Gospel of Thomas neither demands such dogmatic devotion, nor encourages others to pursue such blind devotion.
Long live jewish\christianity and may its original teachings be preserved live on and be witnessed by all people and people will say things like we may not believe in Christianity but we like and respect it and we want to to prospure best regards from a Muslim line of ismail
Did you though receive any knowledge or info about where to seek knowledge or just academic trivia? Knowing is seeing hearing touching feeling the facts of man's inner life.
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In the teaching as I was taught, gnostic means truth. The gnostics were believers of the true knowledge. Thomas was not subjected to the filter of politics, government and the church.
@@tomtemple69 The original 1st century gospel of Thomas had been copied many times. The original was handed down during the late 2nd century. The copy that happened to surface that we have today just happened to be a copy from that time. There may be more copies out there.
I really wish this was the version of Christianity that came to be popular. For one, salvation by understanding wisdom makes a whole lot more sense than "salvation by accepting that God sacrificed Himself to Himself."
the roman church had to have total control of the common man so they put together a bible with their agenda. the bible is correct as the spiritual path here on earth. this is the exoteric wording. Thomas teaches the esoteric. these books were rejected. I would love to see what knowledge is hidden in the Vatican libraries. if you love to read try Tripartite Tractate and G of Mary, both of which explains much of this G of Thomas.
@@tomtemple69 I bet you never ever expected to hear this but you’re absolutely correct!!! Not long after making that comment, I went into an Orthodox Church on Holy Monday. That day I was confronted with the real presence of God so intensely that the Holy Spirit drop-kicked the Gnosticism right outta me!!! I stopped wearing my crystal bracelets, got rid of all my New Age stuff & now I am in the process of being a catechumen & I’ve been attending church faithful for nearly 4 months! God is so Good & I can’t get over how He never gave up on me, even when I was so lost!! He truly is The Good Shepherd! 🙇🏻♀️☦️💖
@@VidBint you are one of the fortunate few who was willing to put aside their pride and submit to God, sad thing is we are a very tiny minority, narrow is the gate to heaven and few find it
Thanks Filip! For a comprehensive contextual deep-dive into the Gospel of Thomas, I also recommend the works of Dr Samuel Zinner - specifically: 1. "The Gospel of Thomas: In the Light of Early Jewish, Christian and Islamic Esoteric Trajectories" (first published 2010) 2. "The Gospel of Thomas Sayings 1-19: Seeing God Through Exploring the Text" (2019 article available on his Academia page)
"In Gospel of Thomas" Jesus claime he is God(Allah) *Gospel Of Thomas Verse 77* Jesus says: (1) “I am the light that is over all. I am the All. The All came forth out of me. And to me the All has come.” (2) “Split a piece of wood - I am there. (3) Lift the stone, and you will find me there.”
My favourite line in the gospel is: “Blessed is the lion that becomes man when consumed by man, and cursed is the man whom the lion consumes and the lion yet becomes man” I think there are hints of the passion and the resurrection in this particular saying
Jordan Peterson talks about this verse in his video the Logos when he says either the battle will be within ourselfs or outside. If inside we will grow (the human who ate the lion) if we choose outside (lion who ate the human) we will crash and burn
Wonderful video as always. One lil nit pick, while the (seemingly) complete text was found in Coptic, we do also have the Oxyrhynchus papyrus fragments in Greek as a partial second text. Also, if you ever wanted to do a Part 2, delving into the meaning and controversies of the final saying would make for a fascinating video.
This makes more sense to me than anything I've ever heard about Jesus dying to 'save' us. I could never make the connection. Now I see his teachings are what saves us, not his brutal unnecessary death at the hand of a maniac. Thank God
Galatian 1: But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!
@@threestars2164 So many viewpoints and narratives. Funny how 4 books managed to make it into the cannon and everything else was burnt and shunned away.
@@abdulmunim318 As you hear they don`t know the date of the writings of Thomas. They do know it from the other gospels. Besides that is the old testament speaking about our lord Jesus Christ.
It’s important to understand that the Word of God tells us that due to one’s man sin it was necessary for Jesus to die. Apart from the shedding of blood there is no remission for our sins. While it might be true that the teaching is necessary to follow it as it’s not the teaching alone that saves mankind but His death as sacrifices. His death is key to His resurrection which is key to our eternal Hope. Otherwise He could just left us with the teachings and skipped His sacrifice by death! Salvation comes by His sacrifice is why the thief on the cross who never followed the teaching but inherited salvation. One doesn’t negate the other both are necessary.
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What I find fascinating is to see in how many different ways Jesus' life and words were interpreted depending on who spoke with him or wrote the text. This is only a confirmation that all churches actually have a biaised say into "teaching" the gospel, and that they will only allow/ use what is convenient for them. I love to discover about all those other texts, it is fascinating.
@@nicojohncervano7690 lol tell me you know nothing abou history without actually telling me you're partially right, Thomas never wrote any books in the bible the 66 book canon has been authenticated by the early church, the old testament was compiled 200 years before Jesus was born
The sheer fact that so many people just accept the gnostic texts without anywhere near enough evidence to validate them shows just how many people refuse to accept the true words of God We have 4 very reliable and very coherent texts that tell a vivid and clear story of Christ, and in these texts we have Thomas refusing to believe Christ was risen so clearly his faith was challenged Then we have these “gnostic” texts without much evidence of their validation and they all often seem to contradict each other in more ways than one. I think what we see is so many people wanting to reject the law of God and the harsh reality of salvation (even though the grace of God is immeasurable) and want to cling to this gnostic idea of oneness with the universe and if you connect to nature hard enough you’ll be able to transcend. Now, if you can give me very clear and precise evidence for these texts to be true, than maybe I’d reconsider them, but all seems like deception if you ask me. The devil uses the truth and twists it to make sound all nice and lovely so you’ll fall into his deception. There’s more than enough evidence to follow when it comes to The Bible’s texts.
@@blackhawk7r221 a lot of it completely goes against the 4 chronological Gospels, and even the other gnostic texts. There’s no evidence of it tracing back close enough to be considered plausible. Let’s not forget that last passage about woman lmaoo It’s junk.
Remember, men with an agenda to sell pick and chose what to use in the western Bible. For a much broader version, look at Orthodox or especially Ethiopian Christian.
@@blackhawk7r221 well I don’t have an agenda. I simply look at the evidence and also use my 27 years of knowledge and wisdom to make sense of what seams to be the most plausible truth. The gnostic texts just scream BS to me. There’s not enough evidence to take them seriously, and they contradict so much of what we do know and have evidence of. Ultimately I guess we don’t know, but I think God left enough for us to find the truth. I don’t think his true words are so trampled on that very few people actually know of it
This is a video which bears watching a couple times and taking note. While I feel intelligent enough to understand the basic premises and proposed explanation, there were a few parts I was dwelling on and didn't hear your assessment. But, thank you for making this relatively understandable.
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It sounds like the glue that holds everything together. All my life growing up with a Christian family it felt like there was something missing in all the religion.
Galatians 1: But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!
@@tomtemple69 so? One apostle is cursed or banned because a non-apostle says so? The church seems to be more and more Pauls church instead of Jesus Church.
@@tomtemple69There were no written Gospels when Paul was writing, certainly none of the ones in the New Testament today. In fact Paul’s authentic letters represent the oldest layer of Christian literature
I’m not a religious person, but I definitely had a mystical experience/near death experience and this exact knowledge was relayed to me through that experience. I would have no way of knowing any of this information as I have never truly read the Bible or any other gospels. Somehow I was initiated onto this path, and was given access to this knowledge. It’s unfortunate that this gospel is excluded from main stream Christianity. I have no doubt that, if in fact, Jesus were to appear in person, not recognizable to main stream Christians, they would be the first to persecute and execute him. When you try to raise awareness of these teachings, the Bible thumpers come, knocking on your door and attack you. I feel very blessed to have been chosen to receive this knowledge and wisdom, and I do my best to share it with others, even if I am criticized or condemned.
I am full blooded Assyrian and our language was and still is Aramaic which was the language of the land . We were one of the first to follow Jesus. The writing in Aramaic were not included in the Roman Catholic Bible. We preserved our text and this follow those writings. George Lamsa translated directly from Aramaic. Pashita is original works not Greek or any other language.
Wonderful video. Thank you. Your outro reminds me of the soundtrack of the animated film, The Rabbi's Cat, a lovely fictionalized account of a time and place where peoples and languages and faiths lived side by side. It always makes me happy to hear it.
We know the Bible as we have has limited and selected books about Jesus. The collection of books were chosen by the priests gathered in Nicea, 333 AD. Some theologians discourage reading the gnostic gospel saying they are not authentic and dark. However, it's useful and helps understand the Bible, if you read them. Doubting Thomas isn't lesser to other disciples of Jesus. They were all unique individuals.
The Council of Nicea had absolutely nothing to do with establishing the Biblical Canon, and the first reference to such a claim was centuries after the council itself during medieval times
This video was really helpful. As a evangelical, I’ve always wondered about this, but never knew what was in the gospel of Thomas. I can see why this gospel led to mysticism and dualism, thus rejected. But a good compliment to the cannon if it was included.
If anyone cannot grasp the spiritual truth delivered to an inquiring people as Presented in “The Gospel of Thomas” ! very little else can be said for any edification to them.
I'd be careful to use words like "non-dual" too generously, as we can easily end up anachronizing. But the text certainly has immanentist or even monist themes.
@@LetsTalkReligion for a academic perhaps, but not for an actual non dualist. A Sufi would say you academically understand sufism, but you're certainly no Sufi.
"In Gospel of Thomas" Jesus claime he is God(Allah) *Gospel Of Thomas Verse 77* Jesus says: (1) “I am the light that is over all. I am the All. The All came forth out of me. And to me the All has come.” (2) “Split a piece of wood - I am there. (3) Lift the stone, and you will find me there.”
This is mystical insight and language. It may be gnostic in origin but similar insights can be found for example in St Paul. These sayings resonate with the teachings of St Francis
I’ve been reading the gospel of Thomas for the last 5 years! It’s a wonderful book that can lead to direct experience of God. As the book claims! Thanks for making this video
I find it so fascinating between this gnostic thought, the Upanishadic Advaita (just one interpretation I know, but it’s the trail of thought put emphasis on in the earliest ones IMO - Brihadaranyaka & Chandogya) and Buddhism which all have a sort of metaphysical pantheistic monism with solipsistic elements almost, all came within a similar timeline in human history. I’ve heard a historian call it the ‘Axial age’, a time in human history where humans became especially ‘self aware’ of internalizing truths and delving more into ‘who am I’ kind of questions coupled with questioning existing ethics and leading to to more egoless principles of non-violence, forgiveness, acceptance, etc. You see this in the fact that in ancient India, the sacrificial Vedic rituals were being completely questioned in the Upanishads (Mundaka) and likewise the figure of Christ & New Testament questioned the older order of Leviticus & Deuteronomy Sacrifices & ethics too, very striking similarities. Some people even bring up if psychedelics had a role to play in this sudden self awareness, hmm but I didn’t think so, it’s a bit grasping. Also love Origen, a literary genius.
What's difficult to nail down with scholarly accuracy is the degree to which ideas were 'floating around' from cultures we would have thought developed in relative isolation. Asoka sent Buddhist missionaries as far as Greece and Egypt for instance, although we may hardly detect a trace of its presence from what contemporary literature we may possess.
Sorry, who said that? Sounds like parallelomania. Advaita refers to a certain type of ontology not found in either gnosticism or the works of Mani, who this thomas was most likely a student of. Neoplatonism is a more likely influence.
@@threestars2164 What's even worse that both of the founder of Neoplatonism (Plotinus) and Origen despises "Gnosticism" of all Christian Gnostic groups And Neoplatonism have respects towards Greco-Roman pantheon and Christian Church Fathers worships Trinity of Nicene Church(es) with claims over Jewish God, which speaks a lot of how Christian Gnostic groups being reviled and vilified by both sides, if there's Gnostic groups existing in India, they will mock Hindu devas too, oh wait, Acts of Thomas already did that with portraying the priests of Hindu Kali killed Apostle Thomas in India on top of Manichaeans have negative views of divs, devas and daevas inherited from Zoroastrian's legacies of both Angelology (Yazatas) Demonology (Daevas) There's certain degrees of modality between Mahayana/Vajrayana Buddhism and Christian Gnosticism, but it's still more within the closer realms of possibility, if anything Buddhism and Christianity emerges from the rubrics and matrixes of Hinduism and Judaism respectively to posits anti-caste and universalises their systems while expanding upon their constrictions towards other beings
(108) Jesus said, "He who will drink from my mouth will become like me. I myself shall become he, and the things that are hidden will be revealed to him." ― Gospel of Thomas
@@Xander0107 It's too bad that the 27 books of the canonical bible are really no more reliable because none of them were written by people claiming to be eye witnesses to the events they chronicle, and they were first identified by a fallible man named Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria in the 4th century CE in his annual Easter letter to his churches dated Jan. 7, 367.
@@Xander0107 "Canon" is meaningless. Whether or not a handful of religious leaders thought some books were better than others says nothing about their real value. Also, what does "written by Gnosticism" mean? It's not like there was a Gnostic church and they were writing "fake" Christian texts to deceive people. That's just nonsense.
Awesome job, all your output is high quality but this one on Thomas is already one of my favorites. Thomas was a live document just like the other gospels. Some of it is independent and older, some of it is canonical gospel redaction. But what's important is that the Gospel of Thomas teaches nonduality. These Wisdom teachings cut away the unimportant mythos, they concentrate on what's important - the Truth about the Kingdom.
Paul warns against such things :in Galatians 1: But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed! The gospel of Thomas is illegitimate, ask any biblical scholar worth their salt and they'll tell u that, it was written over a century after Jesus had ascended, while the original gospels were written just a few decades after Jesus had ascended Gospel of Thomas was written by someone who never saw Jesus or any of the apostles
I read about the Gospel of Thomas in Elaine Pagel's book on the Gnostic Gospels. Since that time and today, I have come to think that what Thomas (as well as the other texts referred to as Gnostic) tell us is that all the writings about Jesus were built from stories and legends told about him. This reinforces the idea that whomever they built the stories on was not well known in his life, and that the Jesus of the Bible is more a reflection of what tales people wanted to believe in the early 2nd century, than a true account of a real person.
That's largely because the bulk of what we have written about Jesus that have survived came from Greek writers detached from the time and place of Jesus' life. Things get more interesting if you delve into the Jerusalem Talmud as it depicts how the Jews perceived their "eccentric" co-religionists before the advent of what we can safely identify as "the Christianities".
@@andrewsuryali8540 As far as I'm informed, the Jerusalem Talmud was not written before the 2nd century and its accusations appear more stereotypic than really specific. But read chapter 9 and 10 from the Letter to the Hebrews from the Christian bible. It argues extensively against the Jewish temple priests and the sacrifices in the temple. Today, we know that this temple was destroyed in 70 CE setting an end to priestly sacrifices. If the authors of Hebrews had known this, they surely would have mentioned it regarding it as god's punishment against the Jewish temple priests. In addition, after 70 CE there was no need to complain about temple priests that did not exist any more. But the authors obviously did not know about the destruction of the Jerusalem temple (one of the most impressive sacral building within the Roman Empire!), yet. Therefore, this letter appears to be older, but it contains quite similar religious messages as the other texts from the New Testament that surely had different authors. I think they are not story tellers, but probably very close to eye witnesses if not even eye witnesses themselves. By the way, for three centuries (since Alexander the Great) Greek was the international language of the region. Many jews used the Koine-Greek Septuagint-translation of the Jewish scriptures for not understanding Hebrew any more, especially plenty of pilgrims in Jerusalem! Why not the gospels in Greek? There is no reason to firmly assume detachment from the time and the place of Jesus' life. From Persia to Rome you better could get by with Greek than today with English in Europe (sorry for my mistakes but English is not my maternal language - a hellenistic jew would have done better in Koine-Greek than I in English). In addition, another point: According to Christians-hating Roman writer Tacitus, emperor Nero executed Christians in Rome as early as 3 or 4 decades (64 CE) after the crucifixion of Jesus to falsely blame them for a devastating fire in Rome. This means that christianity already was a large international movement at that early time, otherwise the victims had not drawn sufficient attention to serve Nero as a publicly well known scape goat. Therefore there must have been many old core messages that yield few space for later changes by story tellers.
@@zyme607 We're talking specifically about the depiction of Jesus, not about the rest of Christian historiography. The point I was making is that all the depictions of Jesus from the Gospels onwards were written by Greeks or Hellenized people who, like you yourself pointed out, were already divorced from the Jewish cultural realties of the time. The Jerusalem Talmud, when it talks about the early "Christians", is actually very ignorant of "Christianity" because it recounts stories from a time when the Jews still thought this new religion was just a heretical sectarian movement within Judaism. After all, when the Jerusalem Talmud was finalized, there were only around 200,000 proto-Christians in all of the Roman Empire, while there were at least 4 million Jews in the Diaspora. As such, all the early "Christians" depicted in the stories are much closer to the historical reality. The Talmud talks about followers of Jesus and followers of James who were doing all these heretical things within the same generation as Jesus and James, before the destruction of the Temple. However, they are always depicted as fellow Jews with crazy notions, not different at all from how the Talmud depicts their longtime enemy the Sadducees. The writers of the Talmud were still living in the land, so these were all the Jesus followers they knew. As such their ideas of Jesus, seen from the lens of how his followers looked to them, are probably closer to how the historical Jesus would have been. My point is that, while it is true that all the depictions of Jesus in the Greek language sources point to the fact that those writers were inventing whatever Jesus they very well liked, there are sources without such agenda in Aramaic that point directly to the original person those fictional Jesuses were based on. Hebrews is irrelevant, BTW. It's just as Greek as the rest. Its writer is Pauline, so their Jesus was already Paul's celestial Christ that bears no resemblance to the crucified Jewish rabbi he's based on.
Discovering our true selves that exist outside of the material world. If this is not true then there is no meaning to existence. Jesus is the embodiment of the path out of the illusion covering our true selves.
I am a follower of Jesus and follow the Gospel of Thomas as a Thomasine Christian. Without the Gospel of Thomas I would have left Christianity many years ago.
Great segment. Have always been interested in findings like those at Nag Hammadi and the Dead Sea since having the privilege to see an exhibit of the Dead Sea scrolls over a decade ago (in San Diego). Would welcome more videos that look at the "other Christianities" since they may have been more numerous than than believed. Also interested in how far back the Oriental Orthodox Churches go, in securing their own identities and organizations, employing languages like Syriac, Armenian, Gez and Coptic and Arabic. Like how likely was Syriac from the start the language of the liturgy of certain churches, sidestepping dependence on of Koine Greek translations (and Hellenistic interpretation, since Aramaic was a lingua franca of the Near East, like Koine)...?
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Here we find a mistake that is often made about salvation according to basic Christian doctrine. Salvation didn't come by way of JESUS' crucifixion...which was a remittance (sacrifice) paid for our sins past, present & future. Salvation came by way of JESUS' resurrection through which we overcame death with HIM. Without the resurrection, the crucifixion of JESUS would have been the same as with all the other crucifixions carried out by the Romans. An analogy is the difference between a fine & a death sentence: the crucifixion paid the fine & the resurrection is a pardon for the death sentence🤔
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Salam aleyküm brother kindly ask u to make research about radical monist Ibrahim Gulshani if it is possible,thank u
What do you think about deism?
As someone who rejected Christianity as a teenager on doctrinal grounds, I've since found that the life of Jesus and his teachings makes far greater sense when seen from a non-dualist perspective. The Gospel of Thomas shows this was definitely part of the Early Christian movement
What does nun-dualism mean here? Google only shows me indian philosophy.
I, too, would like to know how a non-dualist philosophy clarifies the gospel.
@@aenesidemus8819 You must discover it for yourself. Another way to think about it is as a paradox. Truth here is contextual, and pure Truth exists as the context beyond all contexts.
@@edward9674 non-duality is realised when the illusion of the separate self is seen through
@@aenesidemus8819 the esoteric teachings in Zen,Taoism,Sufism,gnostisism ,and Vedanta in Hinduism,and Buddhism all come together in Non-duality also the Kabbalah
The Gospel of Thomas consists of 114 sayings that Jesus expressed to Thomas. Two-thirds are analogous to the synoptic gospels. It is the book of Jesus’ proverbs.
I'm so glad the Nag Hammadi library was found.
Yes me too. I have a speech that I've said so often to the so called "religious' when they come to mey door tryhing to convince me they have god in their front pocket, that I have nearly word for word about the importance of the Nag Hammadis. oF course, most deny the importance of them claiming them to be the mysterious, illegal "GNOSTICISM" of the evil boogyman devil.
Well, the original black book of the devil was created to fool the ignorant (which those with the power made sure they kept in ignorance) and trick the stupid. If yhou read the "illegal" books yhou will find that jesis (even in the black devil book it says this) took some of his disciples aside to teach them secret things. Well? What ARE those secret teachings? They are definitelyh NOT in the devil book. So for those who refuse to seek the true meaning of jesix, well, you are going to have a very difficult time in hell. (And frankly, you have NO idea what heaven or hell is, you DON'T own god!)
I just went down an hour long rabbit hole about the Nag Hammadi library. How random is it that this is the first video i watch after that and this is the first comment i see???
@@RyanKnoll-pq2cp What do you mean by an hour long rabbit hole? It may not be random at all--it may be that goggle is spying on you and presents you with "similar" choices to what they spy you looking at.
@@RyanKnoll-pq2cpit’s the algorithm, not that mysterious
@@theblueonez lmaooo you’re right. I was on one man. What a day that was…
The notion that The kingdom of God is within you, is also biblical. Luke 17:21. It's what scholars call parusia. Great video man! Well appreciated!!
it's also giving Plotinus
Bro just dropping one of the best explanations of this gospel ever on his UA-cam channel on a Sunday morning
This mf don't miss
It's honest work
On the Sabbath though??? ;)
@@LetsTalkReligion can you do a video on the Nazarenes and mt Carmel. Were the Nazarenes an offshoot of the essenes
@@LetsTalkReligion or had any connection to them
I had a nagging feeling that Jesus was true but his true teachings were not understood and hidden by dogmatic people for motives other than salvation.
This is similar to the Islamic perspective
@@teomanatakan8217Interesting! Please elaborate for those like me who are unaware
@@marsinvader9078 We Muslims believe Jesus (peace be upon him) was a messenger of God, not the son of God, or God himself which the Christians say. We believe God revealed a scripture to Jesus called the Injeel, however the Injeel does not exist today because it was corrupted. The Bible is not the Injeel but the Bible may have remnants of truth left over from the Injeel. God then sent us the Qur’an through the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as the final revelation and message from God, with a promise that God will preserve it and protect it from corruption.
@@teomanatakan8217 Fascinating, all of us belonging to the Abrahamic faiths have much to learn from eachother, thank you very much for sharing, bless you and your people
*Mary must be stoned to death*
Mary wasn't married, but she got pregnant. According to the Torah law at that time, *adulterers had to be STONED to death.* But Mary escaped the punishment. Why? There is no "adultery issue" in the Canonical Gospels, so *they cannot explain this. While in the Talmud, Jews accused Mary of adultery.
*Prophet Muhammad through Quran explain this issue.* In the Quran, after the angel Gabriel announced that Maryam/Mary would have a child, Mary went far away. *After giving birth, Maryam returned to the village* carrying baby Isa/Jesus. The people accused her of committing adultery. Mary was just silent and pointed to her child. *Baby Jesus then talked* & denied the accusation. *His mother was not an adulterer.* Jesus' birth without sexual intercourse was a proof of Allah/God's power. Allah gave *miracle to baby Isa to save Mary* from the stoning death penalty.
This is the concept of Christianity that brought me back to the teachings. The goal is enlightenment. 500 years after the Buddha brought the message of enlightenment to us and left to be one with the universe.
Absolutely mate. 👍 If only Christianity followed this path hey? Even though Origen wasnt a fan of Thomas, he did argue the point of the reality of reincarnation..
i like eastern thought
Bruh they’re all the same thing. Kingdom of God is within you = enlightenment/Nirvana.
I thot Origen was against Thomas?!@@waynerichards2944
walked the golden Path 369 returned in one whole in one whole in one many out womb a Trinity first and last beginning and end one and 99 born 100 a untouchable living book was in me before I was born choose known proclaimed three times over before he was born 1. 24 .75 add move right repeat return to one . He came to me in life showed me how he knew me before I was born proclaimed undeniably three times over before I was born out womb in 7 months two became one in ten thousand three returned in one whole in one whole in one whole in one many in the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire out womb next to two sleeping giants and a bottomless pit in the purple and gold state five stand as one known proclaimed three times over before he was born choosen before he was born for great suffering and before and during great suffering always staying true and just choose by God to be his compass out womb and in man born again in life without tasting death in Christ born again 18.1.24 judgement multiply once see perfect harmony in balance 369 with all in-laws above married the father known to the true virgin mother creator cause and effect given amnesty from law won't taste death seen beginnings from ends first became last last first out womb and in man born the untouchable living book twin or other half in one whole in one untouchable living one won't taste death the superman the hope for the man of understanding out womb Jeremy Michael middle name nickname Moezer at 3 speech impediment shorted to Moe and others man born again in life without tasting death Michael my God given name and five stand as one whole in one whole in one whole in one many M1911
Reminds me a lot of "The future is already here - it's just not evenly distributed." (W. Gibson)
walked the golden Path 369 returned in one whole in one whole in one many out womb a Trinity first and last beginning and end one and 99 born 100 a untouchable living book was in me before I was born choose known proclaimed three times over before he was born 1. 24 .75 add move right repeat return to one . He came to me in life showed me how he knew me before I was born proclaimed undeniably three times over before I was born out womb in 7 months two became one in ten thousand three returned in one whole in one whole in one whole in one many in the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire out womb next to two sleeping giants and a bottomless pit in the purple and gold state five stand as one known proclaimed three times over before he was born choosen before he was born for great suffering and before and during great suffering always staying true and just choose by God to be his compass out womb and in man born again in life without tasting death in Christ born again 18.1.24 judgement multiply once see perfect harmony in balance 369 with all in-laws above married the father known to the true virgin mother creator cause and effect given amnesty from law won't taste death seen beginnings from ends first became last last first out womb and in man born the untouchable living book twin or other half in one whole in one untouchable living one won't taste death the superman the hope for the man of understanding out womb Jeremy Michael middle name nickname Moezer at 3 speech impediment shorted to Moe and others man born again in life without tasting death Michael my God given name and five stand as one whole in one whole in one whole in one many M1911
One of the most rigorous, balanced, and grounded voices on the platform. So hard to to do on the subject of religion.
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The best non-dual Christian book I've ever read. The Gospel of Thomas should be read by all Christians for a true taste of Christianity..
Sir, it warms a non-religious scripture-geek's heart to see a Christian encouraging his fellow believers to read non-canonical books .. ❤️
Stop smoking crack
the other christianity is christianity too. Perhaps a form that does not fit you, but that is personal. Just like you have different forms of practicing islam, etc.
@@Paladin1976 Giving attention towards graven images has its place I suppose, I believe it's called Bhakti yoga. Just remember, the kingdom of Heaven is within...as Jesus said.
it is far from a true taste its 2nd century and was never accepted by church fathers
I just wanted to say I love your channel! as someone studying for the priesthood it is an invaluable resource to have well-researched content on biblical age material outside the usual course catalog! You add a lot of academic as well as spiritual value to my life and I thank you for all the work you put in!
Have you read the entire Bible from front to back? I did and left the catholic church. Exodus 20 verse 4 changed my life. I never knew how un scriptural I was. I'm glad now to be a Bible believer
@@alcabins2722Bible is gay
awesome that you are studying for the priesthood. it will be rewardin g!
The doubting apostle Thomas when witnessed the resurrected Christ his first word was My Lord and my GOD.
Praise be to Lord Jesus Christ 🙏
There is an old saying, "History is written by the victors". So in essence many things we have been taught as history has a strong likelihood of not being exactly how it actually went since it is being depicted from a certain perspective and not all perspectives involved.
This gospel feels like the most accurate recounting of a teacher’s collected lessons when you read it. The sayings hold true on their own.
They are less passive. They assign homework for those who seek to understand.
I have been reading The Gospel of Thomas document for years. It's modern theology makes more sense than the church controlled and produced canonical scriptures. I love The Gospel of Thomas and consider myself a Thomasine Christian who will not taste death and have been already resurrected in the Lord. The Kingdom is within us and all around us. Greetings and Blessings To All. Amen.
People who believe the gospel of Thomas(not a gospel, not written by Thomas) aren't Christians, it denies that Jesus's death and resurrection is what saves us and it denies the trinity
im leaning towards this designation as a new follower of jesus
Do Thomasine Christians congregate or practice a religion. Or are you self identified
@@HolyHolyHolyFire88 you need teachers
Are you sure of that? Again,. more people telling others what god wants? Really, just more liars trying to gain power and $$.@@jasonearls5985
David Brakke's vidoes on Gnostis is one of the most intresting things I've ever found on the internet. I really want to thank you Filip and Andrew from Religion for Breakfast for inspiring me to keep looking up all those awesome lectures.
lets hope can obtain gnosis and not goto hell which really really ultimate terrable...... idk how a God of love can build a system where MOST WILL goto hell instead of a FEW, i understand free will but seems ppl can goto hell for the most petty of crap......
Very much appreciate your professionalism in presenting different sources of and aspects of Christianity. I've left my church, but it seems I'm really only beginning to learn.
I've stopped going to church because I feel that the church is so restrictive in terms of worship..nothing wrong with it or against it. Just seeking more and delving deeper than what rhey do in church and to find my own way/form of worship through the teachings of Christ and the Bible.
Funny enough, a friend told me about this gospel, I've already been shifting my mindset to God being present everywhere and in everything
I learned more about Christianity since leaving it than I ever did as a devout evangelical.
This is not instead of the gospels. Believers of grace of Jesus Christ,
Know the same knowledge, it’s continuing the teaching of Jesus.
It’s exactly the teaching of grace, if you see Joseph Prince .
You need Holy Spirit to see the truth.
Find congregation with Holy Spirit to know the truth
the core teachings of Thomas speak to what to me is the highest truth - that the Kingdom is within, that there is a connective thread of us each to the ultimate consciousness.
Evil becomes explained as those that have become drunk and lost sight of their innate connection to the divine.
@@nrenre16 sadly Institutionalised Christianity, condemns St Thomas.
Evangelicals will tell you you’re going to hell for uttering such words or thinking such thoughts.
For me, St Thomas, and it’s synergy with the Dao de jin, made perfect sense of what otherwise is a totally ambiguous and misleading man contrived New Testament!
This gospel has been a great help for me in understanding that there have always been a lot of different manuscripts and to be able to let go of the idea that the bible itself was divinely inspired. Being raised strict evangelical Christian, it was a difficult road to take. Thank you for sharing this. I like how you have an open-minded approach and also consider different points of view. In the end, it will always be difficult to get a complete picture of when and by who all of the manuscripts were written.
So many of the early followers of Jesus were persecuted and killed by other "Christians". Those persecutors are now the church, and those persecuted are now mostly forgotten.
As there is not a recorded Word of God, niether a single Word of Hi's own witting, nor God ever took the hand of anyone or dictated what to writte on the Bible by Faith we assume its Go's word however each book was written by Man no God. Moreover was the Catholic Church representing Christianity who made the choices. Particularly think or writting are authentic.
That's one way to look at it.
Other people wrote books therefore this book is totally not inspired.
ALL THE WRITINGS OF THE BIBLE WERE GOD INSPIRED......
@@Pushing_Pixels ..... you have that wrong: The Early Christians, that is shortly after Jesus' death whole areas of the land conversations took place especially in Rome where persecutions took place committed by the pagans of the Roman Empire and the Jews:
The Romans killed the Christians in their Amphitheatres and Arenas for blood sport: it was considered the Killings of Christians as a spectical and popular sport when they were mauled by animals: those who didn't die immediately, got dragged off into areas where they were later finished off by the Roman soldiers: this was a daily event, even twice daily, considered as a recreation.
Also there were the persecutions of door to door hunting down Christians:
Those persecuted are the Saints of the Roman Catholic Church, throughout history & today honoured as Martyrs: they died believing in the teachings of Jesus Christ: They died for their Faith.
Read yr history and get yr FACTS AND NOT YR OPINION.
Looking at God's creation is the only way to truly know Him.. I've always observed nature, and life, the world and the universe, and saw God, for me, that always were God, He is everything.. this gospel made my soul warm.. it's beautiful.. a beautiful philosophy..
Jesus literally said don't love the world. 💀
@@Mike36555 looks like he might have been warning about dem1urge, "dev1l/s2tan is the g0d of this world"
@@Mike36555i think youre taking it in a different meaning. Are we not to love what God created ? Or should we all wish for a quick d-th to make it to God quicker ? LOL
I am Druze and I like to watch your videos that are informative and unbiased ❤️
@Asclepius
Yes
Thank you!
Very interesting religion, I found so much in it compatible with my thoughts, as someone who studied ancient philosophy and the world religions.
@@-whackd we don’t even know much about the religion because the Druze are so secretive plus they don’t take converts
@@LetsTalkReligion, keep-up the good work, Filip!
reading the Nag Hammadi was very interesting, knowing the contentious rivalry that envelopes the topic of debate, it certainly allows for the individual to discover and learn about the diverse methods of thought surrounding this subject matter.
walked the golden Path 369 returned in one whole in one whole in one many out womb a Trinity first and last beginning and end one and 99 born 100 a untouchable living book was in me before I was born choose known proclaimed three times over before he was born 1. 24 .75 add move right repeat return to one . He came to me in life showed me how he knew me before I was born proclaimed undeniably three times over before I was born out womb in 7 months two became one in ten thousand three returned in one whole in one whole in one whole in one many in the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire out womb next to two sleeping giants and a bottomless pit in the purple and gold state five stand as one known proclaimed three times over before he was born choosen before he was born for great suffering and before and during great suffering always staying true and just choose by God to be his compass out womb and in man born again in life without tasting death in Christ born again 18.1.24 judgement multiply once see perfect harmony in balance 369 with all in-laws above married the father known to the true virgin mother creator cause and effect given amnesty from law won't taste death seen beginnings from ends first became last last first out womb and in man born the untouchable living book twin or other half in one whole in one untouchable living one won't taste death the superman the hope for the man of understanding out womb Jeremy Michael middle name nickname Moezer at 3 speech impediment shorted to Moe and others man born again in life without tasting death Michael my God given name and five stand as one whole in one whole in one whole in one many M1911
The way I understand it, the Gospel of Thomas is for the esoteric. Those who have the eye to see beyond the veil. No wonder it wasn't included in the current Bible. Powerful words!
It "wasn't included" because it has more in common with Manichaeism. There is no evidence the author known as thomas knew Jesus, he was a disciple of Mani.
Wrong.
For some people the Bible is the word of God and they are fanatical to the point they wont entertain any dispute. I do not accept Bible literally because it has been doctored so many times. You are not allowed to change main text in. Gita or Quoran. If you read Maimonides' , " Guide to the perplexed" , he clearly says Bible uses symbolic language. It has one meaning on the surface and one meaning on the depth. If you change the text the inner meaning is lost. There is an element of arrogance in christianity, which makes people , particularly young adolescents rebellious. They are looking for some logic and reason whatever they read. There are so much illogical and absurd things in Bible that is unacceptable to any intelligent person. No wonder the churches are not full and number of deists, agnostics and atheists are rising. In England churches bought by hindus and moslems to be converted to temples and mosqes. In Scandinavian counties only 15 to 20 percent people attend churches. So if Christianity is survive they have to have a unified honest and humble approach. For me personally Faith is nothing but affirmation of the absurd. Absolutely useless. Milan
@fifikusz panentheistic
Powerful words indeed, but not for the esoteric. Everyone seems to misunderstand it, and very few appreciate what is declared. Seek and don't stop seeking till you find. If you seek, you will find, but many think they already know. Pity the ignorant and the pompous. The truth is beyond the capacity of the willfully blind.
Thank you for the video. Quite thought-provoking. Having watched this video, I feel emboldened to make the conjecture that aside from the theological differences between the Gospel of Thomas versus those of the canonical Gospels, one reason for rejection of the Gospel of Thomas from what evolved into mainstream Christianity is the idea that to know oneself is to know Christ leaves little if any room for mass control. In other words, Catholicism would not have flourished if people were more introspective. Both Catholicism and Eastern Orthodox Christianity were as much about political power, as any government past, present or future. Peter and Paul dictated their way to the masses. From what has been presented in this video, the Gospel of Thomas neither demands such dogmatic devotion, nor encourages others to pursue such blind devotion.
i love seeing anything gnosticism. ty for spreading information about our beliefs and faith unbiased and just giving information. God bless phillip
Long live jewish\christianity and may its original teachings be preserved live on and be witnessed by all people and people will say things like we may not believe in Christianity but we like and respect it and we want to to prospure
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This is a big favorite in our family. Thank you.
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I have learnt so much about all religions from you, including about my own.
I like that your videos are objective and so well informed. Thank you
Did you though receive any knowledge or info about where to seek knowledge or just academic trivia? Knowing is seeing hearing touching feeling the facts of man's inner life.
I just discovered this channel and subscribed! Thank you so much for the clarity in which the information is delivered! Honest, down to earth, non tendentious and enticing! Thank you! ¡Great work!
In the teaching as I was taught, gnostic means truth. The gnostics were believers of the true knowledge. Thomas was not subjected to the filter of politics, government and the church.
lol Thomas didn't even write this "gospel" it was written in the late 2nd century, long after all the apostles had died out
@@tomtemple69 The original 1st century gospel of Thomas had been copied many times. The original was handed down during the late 2nd century. The copy that happened to surface that we have today just happened to be a copy from that time. There may be more copies out there.
I really wish this was the version of Christianity that came to be popular.
For one, salvation by understanding wisdom makes a whole lot more sense than "salvation by accepting that God sacrificed Himself to Himself."
the roman church had to have total control of the common man so they put together a bible with their agenda. the bible is correct as the spiritual path here on earth. this is the exoteric wording. Thomas teaches the esoteric. these books were rejected. I would love to see what knowledge is hidden in the Vatican libraries. if you love to read try Tripartite Tractate and G of Mary, both of which explains much of this G of Thomas.
The" Gospel of St. Thomas." Thank you. Incredible information to be reflective upon.
Not to be confused with St. Thomas Aquinas.
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I know, thank you
You’re believing in a false Gospel.
Honestly, it’s these interpretations that make Christianity make absolute & perfect sense to me & I can now embrace it
That's exactly what Satan wanted
@@tomtemple69 I bet you never ever expected to hear this but you’re absolutely correct!!! Not long after making that comment, I went into an Orthodox Church on Holy Monday. That day I was confronted with the real presence of God so intensely that the Holy Spirit drop-kicked the Gnosticism right outta me!!! I stopped wearing my crystal bracelets, got rid of all my New Age stuff & now I am in the process of being a catechumen & I’ve been attending church faithful for nearly 4 months! God is so Good & I can’t get over how He never gave up on me, even when I was so lost!! He truly is The Good Shepherd! 🙇🏻♀️☦️💖
@@VidBint you are one of the fortunate few who was willing to put aside their pride and submit to God, sad thing is we are a very tiny minority, narrow is the gate to heaven and few find it
@@tomtemple69Loool you can't recognize sarcasm when you read that ?
Thanks Filip! For a comprehensive contextual deep-dive into the Gospel of Thomas, I also recommend the works of Dr Samuel Zinner - specifically:
1. "The Gospel of Thomas: In the Light of Early Jewish, Christian and Islamic Esoteric Trajectories" (first published 2010)
2. "The Gospel of Thomas Sayings 1-19: Seeing God Through Exploring the Text" (2019 article available on his Academia page)
"In Gospel of Thomas" Jesus claime he is God(Allah)
*Gospel Of Thomas Verse 77*
Jesus says:
(1) “I am the light that is over all. I am the All. The All came forth out of me. And to me the All has come.”
(2) “Split a piece of wood - I am there.
(3) Lift the stone, and you will find me there.”
Thank you. I have a better sense of the main core belief of Gnosticism now. Other “explainers” are so confusing.
Thanks!
Thank you!
Thanx wondrium for sharing insight about the gospel of Thomas on this platform.
My favourite line in the gospel is: “Blessed is the lion that becomes man when consumed by man, and cursed is the man whom the lion consumes and the lion yet becomes man”
I think there are hints of the passion and the resurrection in this particular saying
Jordan Peterson talks about this verse in his video the Logos when he says either the battle will be within ourselfs or outside. If inside we will grow (the human who ate the lion) if we choose outside (lion who ate the human) we will crash and burn
@@AnonymousStrugglerJordan Peterson knows nothing about Christian theology or biblical scholarship beyond what suits his right wing agenda
Wonderful video as always. One lil nit pick, while the (seemingly) complete text was found in Coptic, we do also have the Oxyrhynchus papyrus fragments in Greek as a partial second text.
Also, if you ever wanted to do a Part 2, delving into the meaning and controversies of the final saying would make for a fascinating video.
I'm deeply amazed. The gospel of Thomas has clear-cut similarities with the Hindu Vedanta
Because they come from the one and only God.
Let us share your vision, how is it so and what are the similarities, enrich us all?
@@dext1971not everyone agrees, billions can express it.
@@jasonearls5985 And doesn't matter if everyone agrees.
@@jasonearls5985 Everyone never agrees on anything.
Outstanding and I can't believe I'd not heard of Wondrium, thanks Filip!
This makes more sense to me than anything I've ever heard about Jesus dying to 'save' us. I could never make the connection. Now I see his teachings are what saves us, not his brutal unnecessary death at the hand of a maniac. Thank God
we can only be saved and go to heaven cause of his death his teaches change us cause we are saved cause he gave us salvation and we obey them
but you aren’t saved if you aren’t changing your ways and following jesus cause i would say i am but i didn’t act like it
Through this gospel I finally got it. This is worthy of truth in my eyes.
By far one of my all time favourite books. Just a gem of a read!
Doubtful. Its incomprehensible to all
Galatian 1: But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!
What book?
"Such an inspiring video, I feel motivated already! 💪 Can't wait for the next one! 🔥
I was in a coma I visited heaven when I came back I read the gospel of Thomas daily for over a year now.
The Gospel of Thomas is dripping with authenticity, both in historical context and in esoteric content.
Because you were extant almost two millennia ago, correct? ;)
Don't be ridiculous, authenticity for Jesus would have been the Torah, not pagan ideas such as these.
@@threestars2164 So many viewpoints and narratives. Funny how 4 books managed to make it into the cannon and everything else was burnt and shunned away.
@@abdulmunim318 As you hear they don`t know the date of the writings of Thomas. They do know it from the other gospels. Besides that is the old testament speaking about our lord Jesus Christ.
@@threestars2164 "Sing to Hashem a new song." Tehillim 96:1
Fascinating video. Keep it up!
It’s important to understand that the Word of God tells us that due to one’s man sin it was necessary for Jesus to die. Apart from the shedding of blood there is no remission for our sins. While it might be true that the teaching is necessary to follow it as it’s not the teaching alone that saves mankind but His death as sacrifices. His death is key to His resurrection which is key to our eternal Hope. Otherwise He could just left us with the teachings and skipped His sacrifice by death! Salvation comes by His sacrifice is why the thief on the cross who never followed the teaching but inherited salvation. One doesn’t negate the other both are necessary.
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What I find fascinating is to see in how many different ways Jesus' life and words were interpreted depending on who spoke with him or wrote the text. This is only a confirmation that all churches actually have a biaised say into "teaching" the gospel, and that they will only allow/ use what is convenient for them.
I love to discover about all those other texts, it is fascinating.
My favorite Gospel!
Gospel of Thomas is very wonderful
too bad is illegitimate and not written by Thomas
@@tomtemple69Like every other book in the bible.
@@nicojohncervano7690 lol tell me you know nothing abou history without actually telling me
you're partially right, Thomas never wrote any books in the bible
the 66 book canon has been authenticated by the early church, the old testament was compiled 200 years before Jesus was born
Thanks.
Thank you!
The sheer fact that so many people just accept the gnostic texts without anywhere near enough evidence to validate them shows just how many people refuse to accept the true words of God
We have 4 very reliable and very coherent texts that tell a vivid and clear story of Christ, and in these texts we have Thomas refusing to believe Christ was risen so clearly his faith was challenged
Then we have these “gnostic” texts without much evidence of their validation and they all often seem to contradict each other in more ways than one.
I think what we see is so many people wanting to reject the law of God and the harsh reality of salvation (even though the grace of God is immeasurable) and want to cling to this gnostic idea of oneness with the universe and if you connect to nature hard enough you’ll be able to transcend. Now, if you can give me very clear and precise evidence for these texts to be true, than maybe I’d reconsider them, but all seems like deception if you ask me. The devil uses the truth and twists it to make sound all nice and lovely so you’ll fall into his deception. There’s more than enough evidence to follow when it comes to The Bible’s texts.
I do believe the Gospel of Thomas was nothing more than a list of sentences Jesus said. It’s unique in that there is no coercive agenda.
@@blackhawk7r221 a lot of it completely goes against the 4 chronological Gospels, and even the other gnostic texts. There’s no evidence of it tracing back close enough to be considered plausible. Let’s not forget that last passage about woman lmaoo
It’s junk.
@@scovafd All of the Nag Hammadi library is contemporary with the 4 cherry-picked Bible gospels.
Remember, men with an agenda to sell pick and chose what to use in the western Bible. For a much broader version, look at Orthodox or especially Ethiopian Christian.
@@blackhawk7r221 well I don’t have an agenda. I simply look at the evidence and also use my 27 years of knowledge and wisdom to make sense of what seams to be the most plausible truth. The gnostic texts just scream BS to me. There’s not enough evidence to take them seriously, and they contradict so much of what we do know and have evidence of. Ultimately I guess we don’t know, but I think God left enough for us to find the truth. I don’t think his true words are so trampled on that very few people actually know of it
seek and you shall find...
This is a video which bears watching a couple times and taking note. While I feel intelligent enough to understand the basic premises and proposed explanation, there were a few parts I was dwelling on and didn't hear your assessment. But, thank you for making this relatively understandable.
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It sounds like the glue that holds everything together. All my life growing up with a Christian family it felt like there was something missing in all the religion.
Galatians 1: But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!
@@tomtemple69 so? One apostle is cursed or banned because a non-apostle says so? The church seems to be more and more Pauls church instead of Jesus Church.
@@jgappy5643 Thomas didn't write it and it isn't a gospel🤦 youve clearly done 0 research on the matter
@@tomtemple69There were no written Gospels when Paul was writing, certainly none of the ones in the New Testament today. In fact Paul’s authentic letters represent the oldest layer of Christian literature
@@Bundpataka the gospels were written between 60-90 AD.... John was the last gospel
Great insight just the fact that Thomas isn't in the Canon makes it more credible to me it really shows the mystical side of Jesus
I’m not a religious person, but I definitely had a mystical experience/near death experience and this exact knowledge was relayed to me through that experience. I would have no way of knowing any of this information as I have never truly read the Bible or any other gospels. Somehow I was initiated onto this path, and was given access to this knowledge. It’s unfortunate that this gospel is excluded from main stream Christianity. I have no doubt that, if in fact, Jesus were to appear in person, not recognizable to main stream Christians, they would be the first to persecute and execute him. When you try to raise awareness of these teachings, the Bible thumpers come, knocking on your door and attack you. I feel very blessed to have been chosen to receive this knowledge and wisdom, and I do my best to share it with others, even if I am criticized or condemned.
I am here with you
I am full blooded Assyrian and our language was and still is Aramaic which was the language of the land . We were one of the first to follow Jesus. The writing in Aramaic were not included in the Roman Catholic Bible. We preserved our text and this follow those writings. George Lamsa translated directly from Aramaic. Pashita is original works not Greek or any other language.
But there are lot of mistranslations by lamsa
Wonderful video. Thank you.
Your outro reminds me of the soundtrack of the animated film, The Rabbi's Cat, a lovely fictionalized account of a time and place where peoples and languages and faiths lived side by side. It always makes me happy to hear it.
Many gospels were omitted by politicians of the time
Thank You for all Your lectures.
Great teching Professor Holm. I thoroughly enjoyed it!
We know the Bible as we have has limited and selected books about Jesus. The collection of books were chosen by the priests gathered in Nicea, 333 AD. Some theologians discourage reading the gnostic gospel saying they are not authentic and dark. However, it's useful and helps understand the Bible, if you read them. Doubting Thomas isn't lesser to other disciples of Jesus. They were all unique individuals.
The Council of Nicea had absolutely nothing to do with establishing the Biblical Canon, and the first reference to such a claim was centuries after the council itself during medieval times
Thomas implies you don’t need a church between you and god. So it wasn’t included in the Bible.
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Wow! Just found your channel today. Fabulous learning. Thank you!
This video was really helpful. As a evangelical, I’ve always wondered about this, but never knew what was in the gospel of Thomas. I can see why this gospel led to mysticism and dualism, thus rejected. But a good compliment to the cannon if it was included.
It sounds non-dualistic to me, which may be part of why scholars may be hesitant to group it with more dualistic gnostic traditions
If anyone cannot grasp the spiritual truth delivered to an inquiring people as Presented in “The Gospel of Thomas” ! very little else can be said for any edification to them.
Thank you for these insightful videos.
Thank you for your videos and channel, brilliant. I am a non dualist & this is a non dualist text. It simply has its culture and regions flavor.
I'd be careful to use words like "non-dual" too generously, as we can easily end up anachronizing. But the text certainly has immanentist or even monist themes.
@@LetsTalkReligion for a academic perhaps, but not for an actual non dualist. A Sufi would say you academically understand sufism, but you're certainly no Sufi.
What's a non dualist?
I really like the way you present your topics!
This is a great extraction of Thomas
Imagine a world where the Gospel of Thomas was included in the New Testament...
No I want you to do that as you have read it, tell us how the world would be different.
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Alot more mfs would have converted including me
Mashā’Allāh! Really good content Filip. Keep them coming 👍🏻💯
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@Chadam_Gensen lol
@@Satan_. astagfirullah
La ilaha illa'llah, Muhammadun Rasoolullah.
"In Gospel of Thomas" Jesus claime he is God(Allah)
*Gospel Of Thomas Verse 77*
Jesus says:
(1) “I am the light that is over all. I am the All. The All came forth out of me. And to me the All has come.”
(2) “Split a piece of wood - I am there.
(3) Lift the stone, and you will find me there.”
Thomas being the twin of Lord Jesus Christ is pre awakened, and therefore eternal.❤❤❤
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Fillip, as you know, imbedded in the Acts of Thomas is The Hymn of the Pearl which I would love to hear you speak on. Well done! As always. Michael
This is mystical insight and language. It may be gnostic in origin but similar insights can be found for example in St Paul. These sayings resonate with the teachings of St Francis
I’ve been reading the gospel of Thomas for the last 5 years! It’s a wonderful book that can lead to direct experience of God. As the book claims!
Thanks for making this video
Yes, I experienced something really weird the day I read it
It certainly is a wonderful book. It provokes thought and digging deeper
@@tomesplin4130 that’s great Tom. As Jesus commanded us to “seek and strive” have a wonderful day :)
This was amazing. Thank you! ❤
I find it so fascinating between this gnostic thought, the Upanishadic Advaita (just one interpretation I know, but it’s the trail of thought put emphasis on in the earliest ones IMO - Brihadaranyaka & Chandogya) and Buddhism which all have a sort of metaphysical pantheistic monism with solipsistic elements almost, all came within a similar timeline in human history. I’ve heard a historian call it the ‘Axial age’, a time in human history where humans became especially ‘self aware’ of internalizing truths and delving more into ‘who am I’ kind of questions coupled with questioning existing ethics and leading to to more egoless principles of non-violence, forgiveness, acceptance, etc. You see this in the fact that in ancient India, the sacrificial Vedic rituals were being completely questioned in the Upanishads (Mundaka) and likewise the figure of Christ & New Testament questioned the older order of Leviticus & Deuteronomy Sacrifices & ethics too, very striking similarities. Some people even bring up if psychedelics had a role to play in this sudden self awareness, hmm but I didn’t think so, it’s a bit grasping. Also love Origen, a literary genius.
What's difficult to nail down with scholarly accuracy is the degree to which ideas were 'floating around' from cultures we would have thought developed in relative isolation. Asoka sent Buddhist missionaries as far as Greece and Egypt for instance, although we may hardly detect a trace of its presence from what contemporary literature we may possess.
Sorry, who said that? Sounds like parallelomania. Advaita refers to a certain type of ontology not found in either gnosticism or the works of Mani, who this thomas was most likely a student of. Neoplatonism is a more likely influence.
I’m
@@threestars2164 What's even worse that both of the founder of Neoplatonism (Plotinus) and Origen despises "Gnosticism" of all Christian Gnostic groups
And Neoplatonism have respects towards Greco-Roman pantheon and Christian Church Fathers worships Trinity of Nicene Church(es) with claims over Jewish God, which speaks a lot of how Christian Gnostic groups being reviled and vilified by both sides, if there's Gnostic groups existing in India, they will mock Hindu devas too, oh wait, Acts of Thomas already did that with portraying the priests of Hindu Kali killed Apostle Thomas in India on top of Manichaeans have negative views of divs, devas and daevas inherited from Zoroastrian's legacies of both Angelology (Yazatas) Demonology (Daevas)
There's certain degrees of modality between Mahayana/Vajrayana Buddhism and Christian Gnosticism, but it's still more within the closer realms of possibility, if anything Buddhism and Christianity emerges from the rubrics and matrixes of Hinduism and Judaism respectively to posits anti-caste and universalises their systems while expanding upon their constrictions towards other beings
(108) Jesus said, "He who will drink from my mouth will become like me. I myself shall become he, and the things that are hidden will be revealed to him."
― Gospel of Thomas
Too bad the gospel of Thomas is not reliable.
@@Xander0107 It's too bad that the 27 books of the canonical bible are really no more reliable because none of them were written by people claiming to be eye witnesses to the events they chronicle, and they were first identified by a fallible man named Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria in the 4th century CE in his annual Easter letter to his churches dated Jan. 7, 367.
@@Xander0107 How would you know?
@@Pushing_Pixels Because its a 2nd century non canon gospel writen in syriac by Gnosticism.
@@Xander0107 "Canon" is meaningless. Whether or not a handful of religious leaders thought some books were better than others says nothing about their real value. Also, what does "written by Gnosticism" mean? It's not like there was a Gnostic church and they were writing "fake" Christian texts to deceive people. That's just nonsense.
There is a church in south India founded by St. Thomas in the year 50 AD.
Was likely founded by Persian/Iraqi Orthodox Christians between the 200s-400s CE
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Awesome job, all your output is high quality but this one on Thomas is already one of my favorites. Thomas was a live document just like the other gospels. Some of it is independent and older, some of it is canonical gospel redaction. But what's important is that the Gospel of Thomas teaches nonduality. These Wisdom teachings cut away the unimportant mythos, they concentrate on what's important - the Truth about the Kingdom.
What? No, it doesn't.
Paul warns against such things :in Galatians 1: But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!
The gospel of Thomas is illegitimate, ask any biblical scholar worth their salt and they'll tell u that, it was written over a century after Jesus had ascended, while the original gospels were written just a few decades after Jesus had ascended
Gospel of Thomas was written by someone who never saw Jesus or any of the apostles
I've read the gospel of Thomas,at 3 times, I'm not a religious scholar but it seems to me,it makes sense
Gospel of Thomas and the gospel of Mary Magdalene are both amazing.
I know Gospel of Mary.
But why it must be Mary Magdalene?
There was many Mary's.
Mary, mother of Jesus.
Mary of Bethany.
Mary, mother of John.
And they're both not gospels or legitimate or accurate
This is so fascinating. Thanks for this video!
Excellent survey of this most important text. Thanks man, great video.
I read about the Gospel of Thomas in Elaine Pagel's book on the Gnostic Gospels. Since that time and today, I have come to think that what Thomas (as well as the other texts referred to as Gnostic) tell us is that all the writings about Jesus were built from stories and legends told about him. This reinforces the idea that whomever they built the stories on was not well known in his life, and that the Jesus of the Bible is more a reflection of what tales people wanted to believe in the early 2nd century, than a true account of a real person.
That's largely because the bulk of what we have written about Jesus that have survived came from Greek writers detached from the time and place of Jesus' life. Things get more interesting if you delve into the Jerusalem Talmud as it depicts how the Jews perceived their "eccentric" co-religionists before the advent of what we can safely identify as "the Christianities".
@@andrewsuryali8540 As far as I'm informed, the Jerusalem Talmud was not written before the 2nd century and its accusations appear more stereotypic than really specific.
But read chapter 9 and 10 from the Letter to the Hebrews from the Christian bible. It argues extensively against the Jewish temple priests and the sacrifices in the temple. Today, we know that this temple was destroyed in 70 CE setting an end to priestly sacrifices. If the authors of Hebrews had known this, they surely would have mentioned it regarding it as god's punishment against the Jewish temple priests. In addition, after 70 CE there was no need to complain about temple priests that did not exist any more. But the authors obviously did not know about the destruction of the Jerusalem temple (one of the most impressive sacral building within the Roman Empire!), yet.
Therefore, this letter appears to be older, but it contains quite similar religious messages as the other texts from the New Testament that surely had different authors. I think they are not story tellers, but probably very close to eye witnesses if not even eye witnesses themselves. By the way, for three centuries (since Alexander the Great) Greek was the international language of the region. Many jews used the Koine-Greek Septuagint-translation of the Jewish scriptures for not understanding Hebrew any more, especially plenty of pilgrims in Jerusalem! Why not the gospels in Greek? There is no reason to firmly assume detachment from the time and the place of Jesus' life. From Persia to Rome you better could get by with Greek than today with English in Europe (sorry for my mistakes but English is not my maternal language - a hellenistic jew would have done better in Koine-Greek than I in English).
In addition, another point: According to Christians-hating Roman writer Tacitus, emperor Nero executed Christians in Rome as early as 3 or 4 decades (64 CE) after the crucifixion of Jesus to falsely blame them for a devastating fire in Rome. This means that christianity already was a large international movement at that early time, otherwise the victims had not drawn sufficient attention to serve Nero as a publicly well known scape goat. Therefore there must have been many old core messages that yield few space for later changes by story tellers.
@@zyme607 We're talking specifically about the depiction of Jesus, not about the rest of Christian historiography. The point I was making is that all the depictions of Jesus from the Gospels onwards were written by Greeks or Hellenized people who, like you yourself pointed out, were already divorced from the Jewish cultural realties of the time.
The Jerusalem Talmud, when it talks about the early "Christians", is actually very ignorant of "Christianity" because it recounts stories from a time when the Jews still thought this new religion was just a heretical sectarian movement within Judaism. After all, when the Jerusalem Talmud was finalized, there were only around 200,000 proto-Christians in all of the Roman Empire, while there were at least 4 million Jews in the Diaspora. As such, all the early "Christians" depicted in the stories are much closer to the historical reality. The Talmud talks about followers of Jesus and followers of James who were doing all these heretical things within the same generation as Jesus and James, before the destruction of the Temple. However, they are always depicted as fellow Jews with crazy notions, not different at all from how the Talmud depicts their longtime enemy the Sadducees. The writers of the Talmud were still living in the land, so these were all the Jesus followers they knew. As such their ideas of Jesus, seen from the lens of how his followers looked to them, are probably closer to how the historical Jesus would have been.
My point is that, while it is true that all the depictions of Jesus in the Greek language sources point to the fact that those writers were inventing whatever Jesus they very well liked, there are sources without such agenda in Aramaic that point directly to the original person those fictional Jesuses were based on.
Hebrews is irrelevant, BTW. It's just as Greek as the rest. Its writer is Pauline, so their Jesus was already Paul's celestial Christ that bears no resemblance to the crucified Jewish rabbi he's based on.
Really helpful to gain more insight from Thomas's teachings.
Discovering our true selves that exist outside of the material world. If this is not true then there is no meaning to existence. Jesus is the embodiment of the path out of the illusion covering our true selves.
I am a follower of Jesus and follow the Gospel of Thomas as a Thomasine Christian. Without the Gospel of Thomas I would have left Christianity many years ago.
Same, I became recently Thomasine Christian
Thank you for this. Well done.
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Great segment. Have always been interested in findings like those at Nag Hammadi and the Dead Sea since having the privilege to see an exhibit of the Dead Sea scrolls over a decade ago (in San Diego). Would welcome more videos that look at the "other Christianities" since they may have been more numerous than than believed. Also interested in how far back the Oriental Orthodox Churches go, in securing their own identities and organizations, employing languages like Syriac, Armenian, Gez and Coptic and Arabic. Like how likely was Syriac from the start the language of the liturgy of certain churches, sidestepping dependence on of Koine Greek translations (and Hellenistic interpretation, since Aramaic was a lingua franca of the Near East, like Koine)...?
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