Spytle vs ObsidianChill: A History

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  • @sephie2631
    @sephie2631 5 років тому +59

    Devs shouldn't be allowed to do that shit just because they can't handle player's opinions

  • @JikyGang
    @JikyGang 5 років тому +43

    Still a better love story than Twilight

  • @joeytedesco9032
    @joeytedesco9032 5 років тому +12

    " [ObsidianChill] tells you: I love you too" lost it lmfaoooo

  • @ChaseHopkins.
    @ChaseHopkins. 5 років тому +11

    I miss jump canceling and clipping of HL back in the day, by far my favorite dps

  • @NJDServingMid
    @NJDServingMid 5 років тому +25

    Say what you will bout spytle (although looking at this vid he was definitely a douche to ya) but least he played the game. I have never seen sj play. When you do see her pick up a controller it’s cringy. Least with him there was some small ounces of hope gameplay wise. But with sj it’s just style overload

  • @blackoctober9804
    @blackoctober9804 5 років тому +15

    now just remove mepps and this game will be golden

    • @gottfriedosterbach3907
      @gottfriedosterbach3907 3 місяці тому

      5 years later..... Mepps gone
      Devs lazier than ever certainly not golden

  • @AlmightyKrok
    @AlmightyKrok 5 років тому +18

    Wow! never knew the dev was like that. What a manchild lmao

  • @NinaBabyTV
    @NinaBabyTV 5 років тому +2

    Who remembers when we t-bagged Mepps and them in Robsinson park?
    They didn't like that one bit.

  • @David-gz6nk
    @David-gz6nk 5 років тому +11

    You and me don’t like each other lol. Not on here or the forums. But that guy was just low. He killed HL and would always let his emotions get in the way when he is a dev and should be above the pettiness. Even thou I don’t agree with a lot that you say, I at least respect the fact that you do want to genuinely increase the base skill level of the people who play the game.

  • @timm5362
    @timm5362 5 років тому +3

    I remember when they added the player skill point website and banned people from the forums who said it felt like an invasion of privacy.

  • @bhill005
    @bhill005 5 років тому +3

    The abuse of power and authority in that pit match, LOL! XD

  • @MrApocalypseBunny
    @MrApocalypseBunny 3 роки тому +2

    Spytle was such a man baby in general. Mepps sent me a tell once during the livestream of armories that he was instructed to mute me as soon as I entered the room and that if I found my way into the stream my account would be permabanned. It’s been so long I don’t recall where the fight started but it armories was it’s apex and I ended up leaving the game for several years around the time of weapon mastery.
    I only came back after I learned he was run out of there/quit to move on to board games lol.

  • @Ewarriorrr
    @Ewarriorrr 5 років тому +4

    This title is gold.

  • @jfernandez7176
    @jfernandez7176 2 роки тому +1

    Clearly Spytle aligned well with this state of mind… “Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely”… as his actions define this framework of thought too well.

  • @NoNameFoundTV
    @NoNameFoundTV 5 років тому +1

    Best video part: "I love you too"

  • @thomasjefferson3449
    @thomasjefferson3449 5 років тому +4

    Anderson was one of the most unprofessional devs I have ever know in mmo history. And that's a lot of mmos. From pc to console.
    From what I have experience with him, his influence on DCUO was disastrous. I cam back after he left. But, the damage was done and players did not come back.

  • @weiner_hands-guy914
    @weiner_hands-guy914 3 роки тому +1

    I didn't know there was a history between you two like I've been playing this game since it became free to play on PlayStation but I've never been super super into what's going on in the community and things like that but I remember being super fucking pissed when they took away hard lights clipping because that was what got me into the game and loving it was clipping with hard light and like 10 years later I'm still playing I'm not nearly playing as much as some other people and I've taken years off more than once. Anyway my point is back when I first started this game I loved it and it was freaking amazing and now I don't even know why I'm still playing I'll probably be taking years off again pretty soon. I just feel the devs really took this game in a bad direction and it used to be so fun and seeing this video and knowing this guy was behind all the decisions I hated really it's pissing me off.

  • @KillerFrost-
    @KillerFrost- 5 років тому +1

    I still go back to watch the video where u responded to spytle on light lol classic

  • @maddhatter6573
    @maddhatter6573 5 років тому +4

    They need to give u job so u can clean up their mess...smh

  • @franciscohahn9393
    @franciscohahn9393 5 років тому +9

    As a programmer (not really into gaming developing, mostly database desing and analysis) i can tell you, if i ever treat a user of a product like that just "cuz i don't like him" the next thing i will see is all my shit removed from my office.
    I still think this game had all the potential to became an e-sport it just needed some polish on the pvp stuff, like starcraft, lol or even cs did, with real players doing some actual testing, and the developer dealing gently with people (even if the are great player/assholes).
    I will try to find it but for example in starcraft 2 when the roach costed 1 supply they said "this a great unit, and does not break the balance" then some korean got the full supply on roaches and sayd "u are telling me that shit is balance?"...short story, they changed it to cost 2 supply, thats an example of a decision based on players feedback, some similar thing happedned with the terran unit "The Herc"
    On dcuo we had...Sr. Creative Director Jens Assdenser who under players feedback was "fuck you i dont like it, i am right", and boom, a great oportunity for and spectacular pvp experience died.
    Don't really play anymore, but i still watch your videos, best regards.
    Cajaritotutututu - USPC

    • @PinkFroggers
      @PinkFroggers 5 років тому

      Francisco Hahn another example of this is dmbrandon with smite. He is a prick, but he knows the game inside and out and has caused reworks etc to heroes and game balance in general.

    • @franciscohahn9393
      @franciscohahn9393 5 років тому

      ​@@PinkFroggers i know, some game developers know that the real (real, real) testing start when you launch the update and behind close walls you can't see the problems.
      And about "balance" i believe they listened to a part of the comunity who just wanted to see their name on top of the scoreboard, i remember back in like 2013 i wanted to play as dps, but truth be told i sucked, so i started as support and did very good, but some other people kept....doing bad.
      I personally think that doing the awesome hl->jump->fan->jump->rifle->some-otherbs was hard while using a controller, on the other hand, with the keyboard was "easier" but not like captain america would say "I can do this all day", it required some coordination.
      Finally, the game is not dead, but the shit "sort of community leaders" are trully killing it.

    • @qasimahmed3301
      @qasimahmed3301 5 років тому

      @@franciscohahn9393 I just came back this month and boy does the game suck. PVP is broken as hell and the updates are just styles, styles and more styles.
      I came back for the PVP and now I am leaving because of it.

  • @freeweights101
    @freeweights101 5 років тому +2

    Him and mepps are the reason why I left the game. I can't support a game that think they are above players. I remember when dcuo unbanned ppl from the tc glitch, he posted comment on the forms saying this is a act of mercy. Due to that comment, the little respect I had for him and the game went to 0

  • @Skilleee
    @Skilleee 3 роки тому

    This is gold in 2021.

    • @Skilleee
      @Skilleee 2 роки тому

      Gold in 2022 as well

  • @dinkydotzero
    @dinkydotzero 5 років тому +2

    Now the only time we hear from anyone at DCUO is when they are selling you something, its why its a dead zone on the game these days

  • @mccool132
    @mccool132 3 роки тому

    Spytel didn't want his teeth kicked in by Obsidian.

  • @KrixiusTV
    @KrixiusTV 5 років тому

    Landed in Stabilizers with you today lol, tried to take a screenshot but you wouldn't stand still XD

  • @Nytellem
    @Nytellem 5 років тому +3

    WOOOOOOW So not only you og players were toxic, but so was the DEVS??? Cause I remember seeing even Mepps support some of the toxic behavior at a time. Mocking the players on forums and deleting accounts and such. So with the return of you OG players please leave that toxicity at the door when you enter DCUO. Please, the game is in a new place, PVP is now taking a back seat AS IT SHOULD!!!! (This is not a PVP game and it also brings out the ugliest of players) The game is more focused on styles (Sadly some are locked behind paywalls, but hey theres the broker) and Each DLC keeps getting better and better. Not to mention, their new artist are fucking amazing. The new character models for Aquaman, Mera, Doomsday, Superman, and Zatana new character Models are just amazing. (Only proves we need a DCUO2! but I digress) SO! I said all of this to really say.....LEAVE THIS SHIT IN THE PAST! Thank you lol

  • @wonderwoman242
    @wonderwoman242 5 років тому +1

    Wow! Seriously who runs this game!? And are there no DEVS that communicate with the players on a professional level for input and suggestions not just using them to test the game? I'm at a loss for the bullying you received!

  • @ADarklore
    @ADarklore 2 роки тому

    Sadly... BOTH him and Mepps were like twins. I've seen Mepps also exhibit similar behavior when people disagree with him or call him out on something. IMO, Mepps also needs to go, he's been there too long and I think has too much sway over where the game goes... and it hasn't been going in a good direction for years. I don't believe for one second that he's 'just' the community manager, not being one of the few still having been there since game creation.

  • @rybournemouth
    @rybournemouth 5 років тому

    Interesting but Where's the fire and atomic guides?! Pretty please

  • @illwill5012
    @illwill5012 5 років тому

    the only intro i dont skip xd

  • @denzelfenty123
    @denzelfenty123 5 років тому

    Ammm was about to subscribe back to legendary n came across this video... Is this game worth jumping back into?

    • @ciggnature5334
      @ciggnature5334 5 років тому

      only if you can find a decent league. if not its kind of lonely

  • @cidsapient7154
    @cidsapient7154 5 років тому

    ive always had a huge problem when games allow jump canceling and clipping of skill animations
    i played aion for years and it took them almost 5 of those first years to remove jump canceling from archer animations
    and they kept it in for gladiators cuz they were a broken class without it

  • @WHATNAMECANIFUKINUSE
    @WHATNAMECANIFUKINUSE 4 роки тому

    i watched this happen as it unfolded back i n the day lol is spytle not involved in daybreak in anyway at all anymore? if thats the case then why cant we bring back the good days, the old days were the most fun in any game ive ever played, now days its the same thing, 1 2 3 4 repeat

  • @BriceGaming
    @BriceGaming 5 років тому +4

    Shame Spytle got as childish as he did towards the end. There is a huge difference between an opinionated player making videos and discussing or even trolling a developer of the game and the actual Creative Director acting like a butthurt 13 year old. It felt like to me he couldn't admit the screw up that was Weapon Mastery and the removal of JC'ing and pairing that with your troll video he took out his frustrations by abusing his position.
    Mepps has a lot of similar issues with how he moderates the forums when involving you. He can't seem to handle negative opinions even when they are posted in a reasonable manner.

  • @rebornprodigy7440
    @rebornprodigy7440 5 років тому

    Absolutely not, I remember running nexus or dox back in the day as a hardlight dps and my fingers would legit be hurting because of all the clipping and movement you would have to do. Weapon mastery and AM were CAKE compared to clipping and jump canceling back in the day

  • @reversalshadow1628
    @reversalshadow1628 5 років тому

    Will you be doing an atomic loadout soon. There is no good loadouts from anyone on UA-cam they don't explain and show anything. Keep up your vidoes there very helpful with how you take your time to explain everything someone would need to know about the power

    • @ObsidianChill
      @ObsidianChill  5 років тому

      working on atomic currently, I haven't been atomic really much at all because its just not a preference of mine so just getting used to the combos and tricks etc.

    • @reversalshadow1628
      @reversalshadow1628 5 років тому

      @@ObsidianChill I'm looking forward to the video. I'm new to atomic also

  • @frankeeandrews5564
    @frankeeandrews5564 3 роки тому +1

    This was a bitch move by a Dev, good that he is gone.

  • @canertasci7217
    @canertasci7217 5 років тому +1

    Dang i had alot of respect for him now i just have zero respect for him

  • @kidrockrulez2006
    @kidrockrulez2006 5 років тому +1

    And this is why im glad i left this game cause the devs abuse their damn powers to no extent

  • @JoeyKO757
    @JoeyKO757 5 років тому

    Anybody that said HL dps is easy has no idea what they are talking about. I remember when HL first came out and it was a disaster, it took ppl forever to trol with HL and even longer for damage.

  • @mistermisanthrope6121
    @mistermisanthrope6121 5 років тому

    I remember that. He was wrong. HL was very hard to master, and all that work paid off. You HAD to jc/clip to be competitive. GU 36 gutted HL, I quit soon after. I eventually came back, but HL is still just a shell of its old self.

  • @jafair1
    @jafair1 5 років тому

    You know I haven’t been all too impressed by your loadouts obsidian but I can def give props for taking it in stride all that he did. Spytle always has something for the game some good some bad. Jump clipping with hardlight was incredibly easy on controller even and spytle was never the best at clipping

  • @TheArrivalCyberse
    @TheArrivalCyberse 5 років тому +1

    Wait... He permanently banned your account?!!? Did you ever get it back after he left?

    • @ObsidianChill
      @ObsidianChill  5 років тому

      Nope the original obsidianchill forum account is still banned :(

  • @nwo4L
    @nwo4L 5 років тому

    He is right everyone does come back but that's funny works on board games now that's hilarious

  • @ryzohlft8597
    @ryzohlft8597 5 років тому

    What a legends

  • @dinkydotzero
    @dinkydotzero 5 років тому

    I never cared about any of the devs but Spytle at least loved the game and would at least try something to push the game forward, sadly after this mess was the last time i played my hard light toon

  • @juliosanchez1631
    @juliosanchez1631 5 років тому

    With great popularity comes great bums trying to tear you down I finally left after so many years of playing of toxic players mastershogun r.i.p

  • @turinhorse
    @turinhorse 5 місяців тому

    Spytle was awesome

  • @TheRustydred
    @TheRustydred 5 років тому

    Didn’t he invent the construct for dcuo? Deserves a bit of respect.

    • @ObsidianChill
      @ObsidianChill  5 років тому +2

      Tunso created the combat system in DCUO, Spytle brought things I mentioned, he also introduced Replay Badges to dcuo.

    • @TheRustydred
      @TheRustydred 5 років тому +1

      ObsidianChillDCUO fair enough. Yeah, he sucks.

  • @MrMack49
    @MrMack49 5 років тому

    I thought spyle don't have nothing to do with DCUO any more

    • @jymymiller
      @jymymiller 5 років тому

      MrMack for the win he doesn’t but believe it or not he was one of the best and worst things to DCUO. Spytle > Mepps any day. Why? Cause even tho he was a douche he PLAYED the game.

  • @msuphoto
    @msuphoto 5 років тому

    Weapon mastery and other bad decisions like paying for pvp replays, removing rock paper scissor, and the easy of A&B and subsequent dlc’s ruined Dcuo. All of these decisions were his. THis is the peak of superhero popularity, DCUO should be destroying the market for MMO's. It had that potential during Origin Crisis (minus the bugs they should have fixed before it went live - another issue all together). But the year after that DLC it was one bad decision after another that drove the league I co-ran out of existence. PVP replays, Weapon Mastery, the ease of DLC's, I still love and play the game, but it will never be what it was in 2011-2013.

  • @Superpatriot
    @Superpatriot 5 років тому +1

    Just a slight correction on some things you said at the beginning. As the Creative Director, Spytle signed off on changes to the game, but when it came to a lot of mechanics stuff, like RPS removal from PvP, those were usually the brain child of Tunso taking really bad advice from elitist PC pvp players trying to change the game to better suit them than the main pvp base.

    • @msuphoto
      @msuphoto 5 років тому

      They picked the WORST players on the forums whose feedback to listen to. In the end, OC was right about everything all along.

    • @Violent_Wolfen
      @Violent_Wolfen 5 років тому

      Oh yeah Tunso, the guy that broke Fire for two years by screwing up the power interactions.
      I also hated how they took advice from the PC idiots on "Making Inner Sanctum harder" which broke it for two years where you had to be lucky if the mechanics worked right and Brother Eye not leaving the fight to beat the thing.

  • @AidenWarren
    @AidenWarren 5 років тому

    Me and me and you? No i was talking about me. But you? No, its me, its what i think.
    1000s of other players existence = 0 of him. Many of us.
    The me and i, i had to make that joke.

  • @JoeyKO757
    @JoeyKO757 5 років тому

    Sounds like everything great about our game they hate.

  • @Shiiesty
    @Shiiesty 5 років тому

    Yo this has nothing to do with this topic but Chill Ive been testing lately on live server and Ive found out 3 loadouts for Fire that can go head to head with the top powers and maybe even top the charts. Hmu and we can talk about it

  • @Urban_King1
    @Urban_King1 5 років тому

    He might've been more inclined to listen if he got publicly dusted in a HL vs HL duel on one of his streams, by a mechanic he claimed to be inferior. Debates on forums don't work with authoritarian personalities, they need to be exposed in front of everybody.
    If he really thought your clipping was the same as his, that derp video you did on him, kind of robbed you of the chance to prove the difference to him live, as he just ended up ignoring and banning you after that.

  • @jmodique97
    @jmodique97 5 років тому +1

    Why sooo serioouusss oops i meant sensitive smh

  • @soindcuo7450
    @soindcuo7450 5 років тому +2

    Bad player as Game Devs make Bad Game
    2+2 is 4 Minus 1 that's 3 Quick math

  • @thatdudeuh8311
    @thatdudeuh8311 5 років тому

    What do you think the odds of DC shutting down permanently are? Or how soon if any chance?

  • @Shiiesty
    @Shiiesty 5 років тому

    Lmfao he was Terribad. I miss doings 4s & 5s

  • @christiansweeney7613
    @christiansweeney7613 5 років тому

    The behavior of Mepps and Spytle is why I hate SOE/Daybreak. And RadarX and all the rest of them just enable them.

  • @FartCancer
    @FartCancer 2 роки тому +1

    I know I'm late as hell to this party but this pisses me off to the point of needing to vent. What a tool. Also, here's a little something from his official biography info....AUTObiographical mind you:
    Jens went to college to study acting, having had a love for performance all his life. After graduating the idea of being a 50 year old waiter became less and less appealing as time in both NYC and LA passed by. Jens decided to break into a new field and flew himself out to GDC in 1995 to do some interviews.
    I love how he sweetens up completely failing as an actor into something that sounds like it was his decision to do something else. It also explains why he likes to be so dramatic and perform for his cronies.

  • @SAUCEMANE
    @SAUCEMANE 3 роки тому

    Rps system needs to return

  • @rockjm9876543210
    @rockjm9876543210 5 років тому

    Salty. Instead of getting mad kicking people he should man up and make a video on you back or don't engage in a back n forth with the player base.

  • @realgamings7084
    @realgamings7084 5 років тому

    Do atomic dps!! Plz

  • @kungfootmaster
    @kungfootmaster 5 років тому

    I just realized that y'all DC advertisers don't get no support, nor sny attention from DC devs or higher authorities of DC......so my question is.....why even stream n post n advertise for DC........ what's da point

  • @johnokeeffe9068
    @johnokeeffe9068 5 років тому

    i dont see him lmfaoo

  • @e-shoota4838
    @e-shoota4838 5 років тому

    How can people hate you? Smh i guess people hate the truth

  • @allanbarboza5090
    @allanbarboza5090 5 років тому

    This devs are Soo salty...I got banned from the Facebook page for giving my opinion...and mepps block anyone that does the same on forums...this guys are really pathetic, hope everyone watch this video and see the kind of Dev this game have.

  • @xfusiontide8091
    @xfusiontide8091 5 років тому

    These devs are pathetic I hope theres a chance of a different company picking up dcuo in the future.

  • @HollowRick
    @HollowRick 5 років тому

    Wow haha how unprofessional and childish of that guy thank God he has nothing to do with the game now

  • @Daemon1995_
    @Daemon1995_ 3 роки тому

    lmaoooo

  • @KRECDI
    @KRECDI 5 років тому

    he should unbanned you lul

  • @THEDARKCLAW
    @THEDARKCLAW 5 років тому

    🤣🤣🤣👍

  • @hendo18
    @hendo18 5 років тому +1

    You both are childish. Whining cause you cant jump cancel which isnt how light was supposed to be played anyways. And spytle shouldn't have kicked you from the pvp matches. Sadly lost respect for both of you.

    • @ObsidianChill
      @ObsidianChill  5 років тому +1

      Clipping and Jump Cancelling were both intended and encouraged by the developers in the beginning of the game and then the skill gap was visibly shown where players started crying and bitching with what they would have to do to stay relevant as DPS and Spytle took every step necessary to completely remove the skill gap with dps and bring everyone down to the casual level where you can learn how to use a rotation in a few hours rather than a few weeks or even months.

    • @hendo18
      @hendo18 5 років тому +1

      Jump canceling was NOT intended to be in the game. It was discovered by players. Not devs. The devs allowed it once it was discovered and encouraged it from that point on. Except people like you whined when spytle wanted to make it no more. And spytle turned out to be just as much as a manchild when he kicked you from pvp matches. You're very knowledgeable Obsidian. I respect you for that. But daggum. That whole situation wasnt necessary.

    • @ObsidianChill
      @ObsidianChill  5 років тому +1

      @@hendo18 It was found in the beta lol and the Devs had zero problem with it and even took credit for it a few times when there were posts about it being an exploit. It brought a whole new element to the combat system that was unique to DCUO. There was plenty of fixes that could have been implemented to correct the phase dodge imbalance and jump cancelling but they wouldn't listen to a single one because they thought they had the next big thing with WM/AM and guess what the new dev team admitted publicly that was a failure and the wrong direction to take the game but all the damage was done. Stats Revamp was just a bigger band-aid being placed on the game. It's the same with the supercharge crystals in gotham park after 5 years they say that wasn't intended and remove them, remove dueling in instances to take away supercharge regen, take away the supercharge regen from breaking health barrels *ONLY* to add in an artifact that gives the entire group supercharge that you can spam in and out of instances. The devs continually make terrible decisions that contradict what actually worked in this game and now we see the population continually drop. WM/AM balancing destroyed PvP because the devs implemented it without any consideration to PvP both arenas and legends that those effects are still felt today to the point where they have given up completely on that entire community and side of the game.
      If we go back to pre-WM/AM the majority of the issues aren't even present in the game and it brings back the dynamic combat system instead of 12345 power hitting. That is why the situation was necessary and I fought so hard back then because I knew exactly how everything was going to turn out and it did. I have a friends list of PC players that still haven't logged in a day since GU:36.

    • @mistermisanthrope6121
      @mistermisanthrope6121 5 років тому

      Pffft you don't know what you're talking about.

    • @hendo18
      @hendo18 5 років тому

      @@ObsidianChillof course they're going to take credit lol but you're telling me you look at the animations and say that's how it was intended? BS lol it wasnt intended. Point being you both were in the wrong. Own it and get over it.

  • @staytruog
    @staytruog 5 років тому

    Boredddddd gamezzzz