@@mivapusa not only boring, but bs, for no real mortals can get a dragon's soul, for they have essances simulair to souls, but they have no soul, so dragonborn is bs.
Don't discount what was said in the Ancient Thaig in Dragon Age 2. The dwarves 'ate their god', the blighted red lyrium. It makes more sense that all lyrium is ALIVE because it is a god, perhaps even related to the god of the Stone. The Red Lyrium is a dead god as well, perhaps even Andruil's dead body. I think the missing element we have on Lyrium is directly tied to the Dwarven stone, and why dwarves do not dream. Something that will be discovered underneath Orlais, perhaps in an expansion or DLC with Sandal :)
Geek Remix We who are forgotten, remember, We clawed at rock until our fingers bled, We cried out for justice, but were unheard. Our children wept in hunger, And so we feasted upon the gods. Here we wait, in aeons of silence. We few, we profane. There we go. dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_The_Profane But yeah it'd make sense that Mythal sealed Andruil in the EARTH and forced them to remain unable to escape. AKA trapped in the stone. Which also would explain.... why dwarves do not dream, they're the cursed children of Andruil.
I'm also curious what was going in the ancient thaig. Hawke's party found items that were built magically, although dwarves cannot wield magic/harness the fade either they lost that ability or elves influenced ancient dwarves or created them? On a Qunari Inquistor, Corypheus hints at Qunari(Kossith?) are not natural beings, they are failed mistake? Infusing dragon traits with elves? Would explain their ears... Did Tevinter or Elves create them? If the elves did they could have engineered the dwarves as well seeing how both groups don't know much of their origins.. Also according to the ancient thaig dwarves worshiped gods at one point time something that modern dwarfs don't just they worship "the stone". For two thousand years dwarves have followed the stone according to Shaper Czibor. Now if that's the case with Solas, waking every thousand years. 1000 yrs before current DA he was Sharkan, then 1000 yrs prior to that when Elves were at the top of the world. Could Elven gods influenced Dwarven history/race? Could they been worshipping forgotten gods due to them being under the surface and closer to the "abyss" or the abyss a part of the fade? Could this be why Dwarves cannot connect to the fade due to Mythal/Fen'harel striking down the forgotten gods or related worship of them? Or their gods didn't heed their calls so they decided to consume their gods (red lyrium) and became the profane? Geek Remix I enjoy your brain butter. I know the blight has something to do with the elven gods but never fathomed the red lyrium connection. I wonder if the blight infiltrated thedas twice in different forms? The red lyrium from Anduril and then the blight from Corypheus and his kind. The blight is a part of the Black City ( Arlathan/Eternal city) whether a curse or Solas implemented self defense. Mythal and Fen'harel obviously have something to do with both accounts of the blight, but could have been fighting off the blight or not care for the consequences of it..
***** I have the feeling that lyrium (of all kinds) is older than the Elven gods. There were titans before that, and possibly things before even the titans.
I'm new to the Dragon Age world (Inquisition is my first visit...just platinumed it!) and my mind is blown by the depth of the lore associated with this world. There was soooo much to read and learn in this game. It's certainly a disadvantage not to have played the earlier games, and I'm trying to piece together the story through sources on the internet. I'm loving your videos - pointing out so many things I've missed, didn't think about or just don't know about. So much is left unsaid in DA!
In regards to the blight, if you sided with the Templars you eventually get a side quest to go to a Dumat temple. There you come across a recording by Corypheus where he recounts entering the Black City with the other magister. While keeping in mind that this is his version of events, he says that he and the other magister found the blight in the city. They didn't fully understand it but allowed themselves to be corrupted and returned with it, thinking it must be some great thing. Of course, all Thedas learns eventually that nope. Also, there is another memory in the fade that is likely a recounting of someone in Tevinter the first time archdemonified Dumat attacks the city. It says something about they prayed to Dumat and the other gods but were all silent, then suddenly there is a sickly-looking dragon flying above their city. So I dunno, I think Dumat had a physical presence than just speaking to them through dreams. I like this video though! Great food for thought :D
Geek Remix I also predict a collation with the calender ages and the plans of the ones locked away. Cant be a coincidence the Dragons are important in the Dragon Age, can it? Whoever set that calendar has a lot to explain!
It's a neat theory, but we /know/ where the Old Dragons souls go - they are destroyed when they're put in contact with the Wardens soul. That's the only way for an Archdemon to be killed, actually. Solas is angry at the Wardens doing that because killing the Old Dragons is probably doing more damage than it helps preventing - Morrigans method was inspired by another ancient elven working and preserves the Old Dragon soul in a way that does not endanger the world. So, it doesn't hold water, but with some tweaking... Maybe killing the Archdemons in a way that destroys their souls damages the prison of the old Elven gods (and it would explain how Mythal is around)?
I ONLY JUST REALISED IN THIS VIDEO THAT SARAH'S GREATEST FEAR IS 'THE NOTHING'. THE VOID. The Andruil theory might not be quite correct, but if a fragment of Mythal could survive, why not a fragment of Andruil?
The eluvians work with passwords. specifically "Fen'Harel's blessing" is a sort of an override to open them. there are also several eluvians open during the qunari invasion in the coming epilogue DLC called "Trespasser"
Lexi Bearr I got that impression too until I listened to all his party banter. He's not that concerned with that but more with getting rid of slavery EVERYWHERE at any time or any place. That's his main goal in life. I think he has plans for something different, something more.
Maybe he found out that the forgotten ones are about to escape their slumber... After kirkwall events there is red lyrium everywhere literally. Maybe he wants to release the old gods to help them fight them, or he is the maker somehow and realized how everyone twisted the past events,mfrom the dwarves and qunary to the humans and their chantry, without forgetting tevinter. Who knows? All the clues are like small islands but all of them lead to the other... I feel it like a cycle or a maze... At the end there are 2 or 3 pieces that are not shown anywhere, or were left behind for the sake of mistery, which will lead us to another previous hint instead of the truth.
There is another mystery for me. I didnt kill flemeth in origins, and i performed the elven ritual to resurrect her from the medallion or whatever was her intention. Her soul was divided in fragments as she said, like with the HP horrorcruxes. So, how is that possible to have 2 flemeths alive? Did they join each other later on? Os is there more to it? I dont think that mythral is dead.... Somehow her life force is bound to the inquisitor or morrigan's life. Was his intention to save the inquisitor from it when he insisted not to drink of the well? Did he put her in a slumber lo lock her away whole taking the dragon god soul for himself, giving him now enough powers to activate the other orbs. There are more orbs somewhere based on the ending cutscene. A way to go to the fade physically?
Johnnatan Da Cruz She might make one body disappear in order to hide from Morrigan if you tricked her into thinking you killed Flemeth. It's totally possible that she remained divided. Maybe even divided herself further. Mythal is not dead. Her spirit lives on in Solas AND Morrigan. Flemeth on the other hand is probably dead and maybe we might see her one more time for closure but I think that's it for her.
Principe Negrô Johnnatan Da Cruz It's also worth noting that it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility that there's MORE than one "fragment" of Mythal. After all, if she was able to foresee her appointment with the Warden as her possible destruction, and on the off chance the Champion didn't comply with her request, it'd make sense for her to have another fragment in case she needs to come back again. Why guarantee her survival on one mortal when there's an equal chance she could have ignored it? Granted, DA2 forces you into using it, but it's still a concept that shouldn't be overlooked.
I am absesed with lore in games my favourites are Elder Scrolls but I decided to delve into Dragon Age, Inquisition is my first one, and these theories are really interesting. Lota good vids!
Omg so much lore my brain cant handle it. This is so cool. They need to come out with a book with all the legends so more stuff can be looked into easier.
The forgotten ones are forgotten gods? This lore gets better and better, I may not like prequels but Dragon Age needs one. BTW geek remix you just won a new subscriber
"The Blight is not something one smugly outsmarts!" Now this, in retrospect, has struck me as the most ironic thing spoken in this game. I mean, said the one with the most hubris... But it begs the question that if the slow release of the archdemons was a part of the plan, and if the real anger from Solas would be the Wardens disrupting the plan. Whatever the plan is...
So, if we're going to take this idea and mix it with the theory about Sera being host to some part of Andruil, the bit that she might be host to might be the"voidy-bit " that Mythal took out of her as a snake. It would explain Sera's fear of the "nothing" on her tombstone in the fade plus that she saw the nightmare demon's lackeys as pieces of nothing.
Funny thing is Cassandra and Solas have a banter in the game where she says maybe the archdemons we're simply "Pets to beings who no longer exist." And Solas is pretty just like "pfft, no way" XD
2:10 I might be misunderstanding what you said, but the first blight ended 192 years later, not "about 70 years later." Just thought I'd correct you. This piece of info doesn't really change the theory in any way, after all.
I am just really intrigued because it's been mentioned that the dragons have pieces of the old gods invested in them, like familiars or something. If that sort of resonance is the key to freeing the old elvhen gods from their cage (wherever it is) (are they the only ones locked beyond the Fade, or are those mysterious Forgotten Ones from the Void out there too? will we get some eldritch inspired stuff going on with that?) then suddenly the hunting and corruption of those dragons for the Blight becomes... much less tragic? and I worry. Because if the Void and the Ones beyond it corrupted Andruil and drove her mad, what will the other gods have become, trapped out there for ages? Even if they are sane, they were probably locked up for a reason- are we sure we WANT them freed? If they are freed, will the door be open long enough that some of the Forgotten Ones might force their way through after them? (am I the only one that thinks space when she hears Abyss? Lots of people seem to associate it with underground, but if that were so, Andruil would have no problem reaching it again after Mythal fought her, right? Or some other realm....) I feel like Solas is the only god around who seems to actually care about the welfare of the general public, though he does so primarily by encouraging social and political revolution. Is it possible that Flemeth has the soul key of Mythal's dragon, and not Mythal herself, and thus is collecting keys to free the old gods so Mythal can enact her Justice? ...I feel like I should do a research project and write some essays or something, mariwiki why you gotta be so interesting now I have so many partial theoriesss
I don't know if you realized but Solas IS the one who locked away the Forgotten Ones, as well as the Creators. Solas sealed the Forgotten Ones in the Void, and the Creators into the heavens, so he alone could roam the mortal world.
Great video, down with all of it except needing a dragon soul to open the eluvians. Briala currently has the master key that activates and locks any eluvian she chooses. She even made a password for it. Give the masked empire a read it has some cool lore.
I'm trying to piece all of this together: The Old Gods potentially locked away The Forgotten Ones using Dragons as the keys to the prisons. Later, Solas, presumably angry at The Old Gods for their treatment of The Forgotten Ones, locked them away so The Forgotten Ones used Blight(s) to seek out and destroy these Dragon Gods in an attempt to free themselves while Coryphaeus used the Orb(s)/Anchor to travel into the fade to kill The Old Gods. So, basically, The Rifts and The Blight are just The Forgotten Ones trying to break free and respond to a coup from The Old Gods?
Hmmm... interesting theory. I was thinking more like the Dragons or the old gods are the Forgotten ones. Plus, I forgot the exact codex but I read that Dragons are the forms of gods hence why Flemeth can transform into a Dragon. Dragons are indeed the key but that's what I think their part is in the Dragon Age lore. To sum up: Old Gods are the Forgotten Ones and the Elven Gods, of course, are the Creators. Just my two pence in...
This theory is incorrect. Morrigan is able to open the eluvian even if she didn't perform the dark ritual with Warden/Logain/Alastair. This means that dragon souls are NOT the keys.
I just had a crazy thought.... what if Cassandra's method to 'cure' Tranquil were used on a dwarf? They could dream again, and hear the voice of the stone. Would be cool >.>
So this has probably been mentioned before, if Red Lyrium (blighted) existed during Arlathan, then the Tevinter magisters entering the Golden/Black City did not start the Blight, so what did?
I like your theories, they definitely make me think, but in my playthrough Morrigan had my Dragon Age Origins Character, though the child was not a "Old God" child, he was a normal born boy and my character from Origins died. With that being said, Morrigan had the Eluvian and she had opened it herself. Not saying it throws off your theory at all, as I like a good deal of it but just thought of pointing it out. Keep up the decryption!
I've got a big question about the eluvians. They all lead somewhere. Some are broken. Some have been left "slightly ajar like a door". All require keys to unlock and use. I get that. Fine. My question is how in the world did the one at the Temple of Mythal connect to Morrigan's eluvian back at Skyhold? I thought it was a one-to-one thing, each one connects to a specific other eluvian which might explain why some of them no longer work, as in if the connecting eluvian has been destroyed. But that one at the Temple led straight back to the Skyhold which was odd since when she used it to show it to the Inquisitor they turned up at the Crossroads. A related question would be how did that same eluvian lead to the Fade when Kieran used it to reach Flemeth (if Morrigan had Kieran in your playthrough)? Wouldn't it have connected to the Crossroads? And yes, he might then have used another eluvian to reach the Fade but when the Inquisitor chases after Morrigan after Leliana informs them what has happened, they only go through the eluvian as before and find themselves in the Fade and begin looking for Morrigan. Sloppy writing. As for Kieran being able to open it on his own, yes, probably the soul of the old god assisted him in some way but then again it may have been with Flemeth's help as well since she called to him in the first place. I really wonder about a playthrough in which Morrigan did not have a son.
Lets look at what we know, for sure... 1. The Taint is a threat, larger than the Grey Wardens, or anyone can perceive - its power, can manipulate the physical world, and is beyond the bounds of normal magic. 2. The Taint is not bound, by the Darkspawn, nor the Old Gods... It exists separate from them, as an actual force upon the land. I.E. Red Lyrium, Blighted Land, etc... 3. The Taint's properties are similar, to those of lyrium - often urging the Darkspawn to seek out old gods via "song". Both Red and regular lyrium, bear this property, and have been depicted even since Origins as such. (I forgot the specific entry, but the Origin Codex makes mention of dwarven miners "hearing" the call of Lyrium ore, and using their "song" to find deposits. Not to mention that Lyrium, of both varieties, in exposure, induce insanity...) 4. The Chantry's version of the Taint, is right, and wrong... There is reason to believe, that Tevinter DID go to the Black City, and did return, tainted... But whether or not this, "city" was the seat of the Maker, or anything of the like, is unknown... It would seem that the Taint existed prior to this expedition , as is mentioned by dwarven account, and started deep underground, slowly rising to the surface. 5. Sandal is the Maker (Because seriously, this just has to happen...) If any of these details are wrong, or have been dis-proven by some text, I have yet to read, please correct me.
So wait, now I have a *poof* thought. I just watched your video on Sera, and if the theory is that she carries Andruil's soul or key, might she also be able to open a doorway for an Eluvian? Not sure what that means for the story, but it makes my nerd ears twitch at the thought. And I'm entirely too obsessed with your videos. Thank you for being my outlet. I seriously can't stop talking about it.
one thing im wondering a lot about, is how Morrigan says each Eluvian has its own key, while in The Masked Empire, the gemstone is somehow the key to all the Eluvians?
wow I didn't even know there was per-elf gods... forgotten gods, I though they were just talking about the Tevinter old gods... I need to the codex more lol
what if the black city is arlathan and the elves were the ones who created the blight due to warring among themselves as is said at the temple of mythal . morrigan already shows you that ancient elves created the crossroads from the fade and solas mentions floating cities . throw this is in with the red lyrium theory and makes some sense
You know how the Architect could talk and Corypheus could too do you think the Architect could be one of the tevinter mages and the reason he wanted to fix darkspawn is because he knew that the elven gods made the darkspawn to find them and corrrupt them.
Yeah but what if Morrigan never had a baby? That's my next playthrough. I've set up things at the Dragon Age Keep to reflect the Warden (female) dying after killing the archdemon and no one having a baby with Morrigan. I want to see what happens with that bit with Flemeth since there would be no Kieran to summon through the eluvian.
Also, is it confirmed that Kieran uses the Eluvian? Couldn't that have been Flemeth? It isn't like Kieran would have chosen to open the Eluvian on his own and know to use it to go to the Fade to find Flemeth. I'm sure she was behind all of that.
huh.. that all well and good but would explain why Solas didn't really get alone with The Iron bull after the charger are killed and why the Quarni is spying on them maybe they know something about Solas that the Inquisition doesn't know since they think very high of Dragons. I think Quarni have a good idea he might be the next Villain.
Love your videos! Fascinating stuff. But I was wondering, u never really mention the dark gods from elven history. The ones that fen'harel also befriended and tricked. I think you start referring to them in your Sarah video as the forgotten ones? Maybe they got trapped in the void andruil kept going to? Perhaps fen'harel thinks they are a solution or perhaps he can't awaken/free the other elven gods without also releasing them because they are in some way interlinked? Or perhaps the elven gods are extremely powerful abominations and the good ones like mythal are spirits and the dark ones are demons who've maybe retained some control because the mages were powerful enough? I'm also thinking maybe all of them were dreamers which would explain why they were so much stronger than the other elven mages.
The Piperman The dark old gods were put into the void BEFORE the elvehn gods were trapped. They were the enemies of the elvehn gods. I think that maybe the red lyrium has the dark gods in them. But I don't know.
Geek Remix Ah, I'm going on vague recollection here but I thought fen'harel played both sides and trapped both at the same time or one after the other kind of thing. Atleast that's how I took it when I read it, I think. Have you come up with a theory as to what the dark elvehn gods were then? It would be interesting to see you make a video that explains your theory/theories entirely, I like the idea of enchantment and Sarah being vessels I guess, for the soul keys, it makes a lot of sense I just don't get how they would have gotten inside them unless maybe someone found the other two dragons, took their souls and it gets passed on through birth perhaps? Either that or mythal or fen'harel perhaps found them and placed them inside those two for whatever reason.
Solas doesn't care if the old gods are slain. His problem was with the Wardens believing they could kill the old gods and prevent the blights. He thought them reckless, shortsighted, and ignorant to think they could easily outmaneuver the evil of the old gods and the darkspawn. More likely their involvement would have made things worse. That's all he had a problem with. Also, the old gods are not the elven gods. And Solas didn't lock away the old gods. He locked away the other elven spirits of the pantheon, most likely by closing them off on the other side of the Eluvians.
we really don't know if they're one in the same....the old gods were dragons. mythal proved the elven gods could portray themselves as dragons. Solas locked the elven gods away, the old gods are also locked away. both belief systems are pantheons, so maybe tevinter and the elves were worshipping the same beings without knowing. after all, solas himself whines all through the game that tevinter stole elven magic and tradition, and when you ask him directly he says "the traditional lore says there's no connection" which is shady because he knows the lore is wrong in many ways...it seemed like he was avoiding the question
i never let morrigan have the demon baby in either of my dao plays. in my dai, she still has access to the mirror, so the mirror was opened by the death of the archdemon/alistair in my game. if each archdemon death opens a mirror, or is related to a god soul, how many archdemons have there been? is it one per age?? i'm relatively new to da, so not sure about all the backstory and how those details fit into your theory. i think there have been nine or more ages??
I was confused at the start because you seemed to say Keiran was the key for the Eluvian, but that isn't true as Morrigan has the Eluvian even if there isn't an Old god baby. I believe you meant Keiran was the key to going other places through the Eluvian not just the Crossroads. So you are saying Solas is upset because killing them will release what he locked away not that ancient things need to e perserved as Morrigan thinks. Interesting and something to consider.
I did after I commented, lol. But awesome video, though your theory is pretty much disproven about the whole archdemon souls being keys thing, because it actually says that both souls get destroyed.
Geek Remix and you do? Bioware confirmed it by that orlesian warden Riordian saying that both souls get destroyed. True he didn't know about the dark ritual but still, the few people who didn't go through with the dark ritual destroyed both souls.
Alright. Time I finally started to understand the Dragon Age lore instead of just smashing buttons. . . Are the old gods (dragons) inherently evil, or is it because they become corrupted by darkspawn that they become evil? 2. Flemmeth is some powerful shit, is she not herself a representation of one of the old gods, doesn't this make morrigan one as well? If so, wouldn't Morrigan be ridiculously strong? 3. Are the dragons that you fight in DAI regular dragons, or something more? 4. Where do I go to learn all this -.-
+Sean Mold There are books, forums, fan theory videos, comics, the games, a movie, and two web series all about the world of Thedas. I would strongly suggest looking on reddit, the bioware forums, and other videos like this. I, too, have finally started taking the lore serious now that I've beaten all the games. For some help, I can give you what I know as answers to your questions. Spoilers ahead (in case you haven't played all the games or the DLCs): The Old Gods themselves have been speculated as both evil beings and as simply dragons. After DAI and the DLC, it was also speculated that they were possibly ancient elves- not the elves we currently know. The Grey Wardens claim that they're old dragons that lay asleep in the Earth and are corrupted by the Darkspawn and thus become archdemons. Others, such a Corypheus (who is a Tevinter Magister that is corrupted just like the Architect) claim there are no gods and that the golden city is empty. These corrupted magisters claim to be gods, too. Flemeth explains that she is possessed by what you'd consider a demon and that was Mythal. Morrigan is not actually Flemeth's daughter and thus has nothing more than the knowledge of magic that Flemeth has. Flemeth was only going to use Morrigan as a new body to continue living- she possesses people like demons do and takes over their bodies so she can keep living. Flemeth, however, is really a vessel for a god. Corypheus isn't a god, that we know of. I don't really want to spoil DAI for you, but someone close to the Inquisitor is Fen'harel- the trickster god/dread wolf. There's a special ending between them and Flemeth/Mythal. As for the dragons- that's something I don't quite know, myself. They were supposed to be dead/extinct. The whole series is called Dragon Age, because it's the return of dragons thought to be gone. The dragon in DAO was worshiped as a god, but I don't know if it was or wasn't. Nothing is really known about the other dragons. But, there is always the theory that they could be god or even ancient elves, seeing as the Grey Wardens claim the blights begin when 'gods' are corrupted and become archdemons. I'll have to look up this type of stuff and see what I can find.
+V- twelveV From what the Trespasser DLC in DAI shows us, the Tevinter Gods could simply be direct copies of Ancient Elven Gods. I'm really looking forward to the new game already. =P
One problem with this theory: the old gods aren't dragons, but like flemeth, powerful spirits/demons that take the form of one. Like Cole is a spirit who can become "human" if you give him the chance, and he even takes the identical form of something that has died or been in the fade, so what's to say the the old gods weren't powerful MALE demons that took the form of the high dragons, who you know, are ONLY females, and no, posing them wouldn't allow them to still communicate with the magistars in their dream, otherwise hakkon would of done so to free himself while only his body that he possed froze in time. That's the other thing, all dragons, maybe minus the greats, are female, and are way to savage to be intelligent, and hakkon could only posses the dragon after use of alot of magic and torturing of the dragon's mind, thus allowing him to POSSES the dragon. Given from what we have seen of the greats, they speak a different language, one not understood to day, and they where seemingly all killed off BEFORE tevinter, and even then, they can't communicate outside of their slumber. But I do agree with you that the old ones ARE the keys to something.
Wait Mari, are we saying that the old elf gods (or mages, powerfull individuals or whoever they truly were) were truly more powerfull than the Old Gods that the Tevinters worshiped? Since they or Fen'Harel (sorry if I wrote it wrong) could bound the souls of the gods to work as the keys to unlock the Eluvians If that is indeed the case than fuck :D they truly have the right to be called gods
While this buildup is already a great theory, I see one little but very important error. You said that Urthemiel's soul was the key for Morrigan to open the Eluvian, but what if she never got the hold of it? Without the Dark Ritual she lost the soul when one of the three Wardens destroyed it. Yet the similar scene plays. Is there a way for this to fit in?
Just started with Part 3, it's explained right in the beginning. Should've been more patient :D You have some really great theories. I always wondered why the orb was so important for Solas, and this could really explain that.
I still feel like Solas is the maker somehow....that muthafucker is so mysterious. Ugh! I like these theories btw, very intriguing :P i keep them all in the back of my mind so that if one of them turns out to be true I can be like..."that mother fuxker was right!" Lol
Do you think the ancient Elvan gods, the Forgotten Ones, would be upset about the current state of Elves? Shouldn't Solas want to rescue his people from the fringes of society where some live in essential slavery? If Solas releases those he locked away so long ago, wouldn't they all just go on a murdering spree on humans?
Okay, finished. I agree with what you say at the end. I believe what we know about the seven Elven Gods being sealed away is no longer true. Fen'harel and Mythal are friends and allies, and so there cannot be seven Dragon Souls tied to the Elven Gods sealed away, as Mythal is not sealed. Therefore, the Forgotten Ones are most likely sealed by these Old God souls. The legend says Fen'harel sealed the Elven Gods and Forgotten Ones all at once by luring them to the same place, having convinced them each side was going to destroy each other. This made him the only living Elven deity, or whatever the gods/forgotten ones really are. I believe that this legend is twisted. Andruil, and the other gods (Minus Mythal) were obsessed with hunting the Forgotten Ones even though they were sealed beyond the Fade. The Old Gods existed as the result of the Forgotten Ones being sealed. I believe that against Mythal's wishes, the other Gods planned to kill the Old Gods/Dragons, and unleash the Forgotten ones to be killed. It is possible that this is Mythal's betrayal, and that they caused her to lose her corporeal form. Solas had to seal all the Old Gods and remaining Elven Gods away to protect the Elves from it all being undone. I don't think I have it all figured out...But it's so fascinating!
Geek Remix Yeah. The Fen'harel legend seems to be about sealing them somewhere beyond the Fade, which is supposedly where they were originally and why the Elves fear the Fade, right? Perhaps the Elven Gods wanted to take the Forgotten Ones out of the Fade to fight them, or were throwing Elves at a sustained battle against the Forgotten Ones, and perhaps Fen'harel wanted to seal all the Gods and Forgotten Ones away in order to finally end the war, thinking that without that battle to worry about, the Elven people would be free. Instead, without the Elven Gods, the Elves fell to ruin.
What if the Dragons ARE the Elven gods? What if Solas locked their souls away from their bodies to stop them from fighting with each other? And that it all went wrong? The soulless, sleeping bodies become corrupted by the Blight?
Ok I have now seen both videos and interesting theory however problems = Nr.1 Have you read the books? In one of the books Ishmael provides a key that will controll/unlock all the Eluvians. So if a deamon can just provide a key for all of them then the whole keys in the archdeamons does not make sense. Nr.2 there are more then 7 elven gods but only 7 tevinter dragons/archdeamons, Nr.3 I never gave Morrigan her son.
FilipH86 1.) He could be not aware of all elluvians and demons are NOT nearly as smart as they try to make you think. Solas says this himself. If you can survive the first 30 heartbeats with a demon, you can defeat them. The problem is that most people don't realize this because they are afraid or in awe of demons. In reality all demons are one dimensional and do not have the ability to be creative or extremely intelligent. 2.) 9 elven gods - 2 (fen'harel and mythal) = 7. 7 locked gods, 7 dragon gods. 3.) If morrigan does not have a god son, the soul goes to the nearest grey warden baby. Grey wardens have lots of sex i'm sure there is usually a lot of fetuses around.
Geek Remix Nr.1 but Ishmael is a very special deamon since you know so much lore I'm sure you know that he and 3 others were the ones who brought blood magic into this world. And saying that he did not know them all of the eluvians is a bit of speculation (but what isn't when talking about fictional lore). nr.2 good comeback, case withdrawn, Nr.3 grey warden baby sorry can't accept as an argument since then there would have been alot of wasted archdeamon souls in other people who would have died without knowing anything about them. And my point was more when you said (Morrigan was able to open the eluvian when she was with the god baby) Also she was able to open the eluvian in Witch Hunt without any god baby. The point I'm trying to make is your wrong about her opening the eluvian the first time with the god baby, since that's not a requirement and no god baby no key is needed for the eluvians (atleast not that one) Nr.4 I do buy your Sera theory 100% very interesting video, I would like to see more of these videos if you have more theories to post.
Geek Remix Alistair says clearly in Origins that Grey Warden fertility rates are extremely low to nil. Even more so with two wardens involved. Clearly, Fiona was a rare exception to the rule. But it is, regardless, a rule which has been proven by the lack of children on Alistair's behalf as of more than a decade following the Blight. And Morrigan would not have needed a magical ritual to conceive Kieran in the first place if it were not difficult to have a child with a Warden.
blissinchains To be fair, Morrigan actually doesn't NEED a magic ritual to conceive a child with a Warden. She only needs to ritual to collect the soul of the archdemon. If you play a male warden, romance her, and have sex with her even once before later refusing to participate in the ritual, she'll still have a child. Under those circumstances, he's just regular Kieran sans old god soul.
we need to get the dragonborn here
Dovahkiin!
No we don't need the wyvernborn here, and a wyvern is not a dragon besides what the game says.
Gods no...Personal experience says introducing the Dragonborn to other worlds is a recipe for boredom
@@mivapusa not only boring, but bs, for no real mortals can get a dragon's soul, for they have essances simulair to souls, but they have no soul, so dragonborn is bs.
I love how you upload these theories almost everyday. And they are entertaining as hell! Good job.
Don't discount what was said in the Ancient Thaig in Dragon Age 2. The dwarves 'ate their god', the blighted red lyrium.
It makes more sense that all lyrium is ALIVE because it is a god, perhaps even related to the god of the Stone.
The Red Lyrium is a dead god as well, perhaps even Andruil's dead body.
I think the missing element we have on Lyrium is directly tied to the Dwarven stone, and why dwarves do not dream. Something that will be discovered underneath Orlais, perhaps in an expansion or DLC with Sandal :)
***** ....oh my god
Geek Remix
We who are forgotten, remember,
We clawed at rock until our fingers bled,
We cried out for justice, but were unheard.
Our children wept in hunger,
And so we feasted upon the gods.
Here we wait, in aeons of silence.
We few, we profane.
There we go.
dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_The_Profane
But yeah it'd make sense that Mythal sealed Andruil in the EARTH and forced them to remain unable to escape. AKA trapped in the stone.
Which also would explain.... why dwarves do not dream, they're the cursed children of Andruil.
***** Love the theory It might be right. If you listen to the convocation between Cole and Solas it makes sense a bit
I'm also curious what was going in the ancient thaig. Hawke's party found items that were built magically, although dwarves cannot wield magic/harness the fade either they lost that ability or elves influenced ancient dwarves or created them? On a Qunari Inquistor, Corypheus hints at Qunari(Kossith?) are not natural beings, they are failed mistake? Infusing dragon traits with elves? Would explain their ears... Did Tevinter or Elves create them? If the elves did they could have engineered the dwarves as well seeing how both groups don't know much of their origins.. Also according to the ancient thaig dwarves worshiped gods at one point time something that modern dwarfs don't just they worship "the stone".
For two thousand years dwarves have followed the stone according to Shaper Czibor. Now if that's the case with Solas, waking every thousand years. 1000 yrs before current DA he was Sharkan, then 1000 yrs prior to that when Elves were at the top of the world. Could Elven gods influenced Dwarven history/race? Could they been worshipping forgotten gods due to them being under the surface and closer to the "abyss" or the abyss a part of the fade? Could this be why Dwarves cannot connect to the fade due to Mythal/Fen'harel striking down the forgotten gods or related worship of them? Or their gods didn't heed their calls so they decided to consume their gods (red lyrium) and became the profane?
Geek Remix I enjoy your brain butter. I know the blight has something to do with the elven gods but never fathomed the red lyrium connection. I wonder if the blight infiltrated thedas twice in different forms? The red lyrium from Anduril and then the blight from Corypheus and his kind. The blight is a part of the Black City ( Arlathan/Eternal city) whether a curse or Solas implemented self defense. Mythal and Fen'harel obviously have something to do with both accounts of the blight, but could have been fighting off the blight or not care for the consequences of it..
***** I have the feeling that lyrium (of all kinds) is older than the Elven gods. There were titans before that, and possibly things before even the titans.
Wow can't belive I found this great theory 9 years later
Feasible.
You have a really good mind for stories and narrative flow.
I'm new to the Dragon Age world (Inquisition is my first visit...just platinumed it!) and my mind is blown by the depth of the lore associated with this world. There was soooo much to read and learn in this game. It's certainly a disadvantage not to have played the earlier games, and I'm trying to piece together the story through sources on the internet. I'm loving your videos - pointing out so many things I've missed, didn't think about or just don't know about. So much is left unsaid in DA!
Thank you for summarizing this! Plus your voice is so sweet! When I read the andruil text i thought immediatly thought of the blight as well.
In regards to the blight, if you sided with the Templars you eventually get a side quest to go to a Dumat temple. There you come across a recording by Corypheus where he recounts entering the Black City with the other magister. While keeping in mind that this is his version of events, he says that he and the other magister found the blight in the city. They didn't fully understand it but allowed themselves to be corrupted and returned with it, thinking it must be some great thing. Of course, all Thedas learns eventually that nope.
Also, there is another memory in the fade that is likely a recounting of someone in Tevinter the first time archdemonified Dumat attacks the city. It says something about they prayed to Dumat and the other gods but were all silent, then suddenly there is a sickly-looking dragon flying above their city. So I dunno, I think Dumat had a physical presence than just speaking to them through dreams. I like this video though! Great food for thought :D
Erika Turnbull They said it took years for the darkspawn to find dumat. He was deep under ground.
Your theories are really good ... they make sense! XD
You got my sub.
it is very nice to hear these huge lore data and teories from your voices. have fun.
viper fx Thank you!
Totally on-board with this.
Marc Stafford Everyone on the crazy train!
Geek Remix I also predict a collation with the calender ages and the plans of the ones locked away. Cant be a coincidence the Dragons are important in the Dragon Age, can it? Whoever set that calendar has a lot to explain!
Andruil's madness is so close to Sera's amnesia...
lmao
Your videos are amazing I'm glad someone is doing theory vids for DA
It's a neat theory, but we /know/ where the Old Dragons souls go - they are destroyed when they're put in contact with the Wardens soul. That's the only way for an Archdemon to be killed, actually.
Solas is angry at the Wardens doing that because killing the Old Dragons is probably doing more damage than it helps preventing - Morrigans method was inspired by another ancient elven working and preserves the Old Dragon soul in a way that does not endanger the world. So, it doesn't hold water, but with some tweaking... Maybe killing the Archdemons in a way that destroys their souls damages the prison of the old Elven gods (and it would explain how Mythal is around)?
woah, that very last bit about fen'harel? that gave me gooooooosebumpssssss
I ONLY JUST REALISED IN THIS VIDEO THAT SARAH'S GREATEST FEAR IS 'THE NOTHING'. THE VOID. The Andruil theory might not be quite correct, but if a fragment of Mythal could survive, why not a fragment of Andruil?
The eluvians work with passwords. specifically "Fen'Harel's blessing" is a sort of an override to open them. there are also several eluvians open during the qunari invasion in the coming epilogue DLC called "Trespasser"
At this point I am looking forward to seeing The Reckoning more than the Qunari Invasion
I got the impression that Solas wants to undo his mistake and free the elven gods, not keep them locked away.
Lexi Bearr I got that impression too until I listened to all his party banter. He's not that concerned with that but more with getting rid of slavery EVERYWHERE at any time or any place. That's his main goal in life.
I think he has plans for something different, something more.
Maybe he found out that the forgotten ones are about to escape their slumber... After kirkwall events there is red lyrium everywhere literally. Maybe he wants to release the old gods to help them fight them, or he is the maker somehow and realized how everyone twisted the past events,mfrom the dwarves and qunary to the humans and their chantry, without forgetting tevinter. Who knows? All the clues are like small islands but all of them lead to the other... I feel it like a cycle or a maze... At the end there are 2 or 3 pieces that are not shown anywhere, or were left behind for the sake of mistery, which will lead us to another previous hint instead of the truth.
There is another mystery for me. I didnt kill flemeth in origins, and i performed the elven ritual to resurrect her from the medallion or whatever was her intention. Her soul was divided in fragments as she said, like with the HP horrorcruxes. So, how is that possible to have 2 flemeths alive? Did they join each other later on? Os is there more to it? I dont think that mythral is dead.... Somehow her life force is bound to the inquisitor or morrigan's life. Was his intention to save the inquisitor from it when he insisted not to drink of the well? Did he put her in a slumber lo lock her away whole taking the dragon god soul for himself, giving him now enough powers to activate the other orbs. There are more orbs somewhere based on the ending cutscene. A way to go to the fade physically?
Johnnatan Da Cruz She might make one body disappear in order to hide from Morrigan if you tricked her into thinking you killed Flemeth. It's totally possible that she remained divided. Maybe even divided herself further.
Mythal is not dead. Her spirit lives on in Solas AND Morrigan. Flemeth on the other hand is probably dead and maybe we might see her one more time for closure but I think that's it for her.
Principe Negrô Johnnatan Da Cruz It's also worth noting that it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility that there's MORE than one "fragment" of Mythal. After all, if she was able to foresee her appointment with the Warden as her possible destruction, and on the off chance the Champion didn't comply with her request, it'd make sense for her to have another fragment in case she needs to come back again. Why guarantee her survival on one mortal when there's an equal chance she could have ignored it? Granted, DA2 forces you into using it, but it's still a concept that shouldn't be overlooked.
I am absesed with lore in games my favourites are Elder Scrolls but I decided to delve into Dragon Age, Inquisition is my first one, and these theories are really interesting. Lota good vids!
Omg so much lore my brain cant handle it. This is so cool. They need to come out with a book with all the legends so more stuff can be looked into easier.
The forgotten ones are forgotten gods? This lore gets better and better, I may not like prequels but Dragon Age needs one. BTW geek remix you just won a new subscriber
"The Blight is not something one smugly outsmarts!" Now this, in retrospect, has struck me as the most ironic thing spoken in this game. I mean, said the one with the most hubris... But it begs the question that if the slow release of the archdemons was a part of the plan, and if the real anger from Solas would be the Wardens disrupting the plan. Whatever the plan is...
When talking to Morrigan at the Crossroads all I could think of was: when is a door not a door?
when it's ajar...
So, if we're going to take this idea and mix it with the theory about Sera being host to some part of Andruil, the bit that she might be host to might be the"voidy-bit
" that Mythal took out of her as a snake. It would explain Sera's fear of the "nothing" on her tombstone in the fade plus that she saw the nightmare demon's lackeys as pieces of nothing.
Funny thing is Cassandra and Solas have a banter in the game where she says maybe the archdemons we're simply "Pets to beings who no longer exist." And Solas is pretty just like "pfft, no way" XD
And Mythal made her forget, which is why head hurts when she is by Solace and looks into the fade.
This is an interesting theory. I like it.
I've always found it hilarious that the god of silence was the one that talked to the Tevinter Imperium XD
I know this years after you posted this, but sounds solid.
2:10 I might be misunderstanding what you said, but the first blight ended 192 years later, not "about 70 years later."
Just thought I'd correct you. This piece of info doesn't really change the theory in any way, after all.
Oh god the theory of video game lore will always end up like dark souls theories. Overly complex and confusing
I am just really intrigued because it's been mentioned that the dragons have pieces of the old gods invested in them, like familiars or something. If that sort of resonance is the key to freeing the old elvhen gods from their cage (wherever it is) (are they the only ones locked beyond the Fade, or are those mysterious Forgotten Ones from the Void out there too? will we get some eldritch inspired stuff going on with that?) then suddenly the hunting and corruption of those dragons for the Blight becomes... much less tragic?
and I worry.
Because if the Void and the Ones beyond it corrupted Andruil and drove her mad, what will the other gods have become, trapped out there for ages? Even if they are sane, they were probably locked up for a reason- are we sure we WANT them freed? If they are freed, will the door be open long enough that some of the Forgotten Ones might force their way through after them?
(am I the only one that thinks space when she hears Abyss? Lots of people seem to associate it with underground, but if that were so, Andruil would have no problem reaching it again after Mythal fought her, right? Or some other realm....)
I feel like Solas is the only god around who seems to actually care about the welfare of the general public, though he does so primarily by encouraging social and political revolution.
Is it possible that Flemeth has the soul key of Mythal's dragon, and not Mythal herself, and thus is collecting keys to free the old gods so Mythal can enact her Justice?
...I feel like I should do a research project and write some essays or something, mariwiki why you gotta be so interesting now I have so many partial theoriesss
Your theory and video on "The many names of solas" got it's own article on kotaku.
awesome!!
I don't know if you realized but Solas IS the one who locked away the Forgotten Ones, as well as the Creators. Solas sealed the Forgotten Ones in the Void, and the Creators into the heavens, so he alone could roam the mortal world.
Great video, down with all of it except needing a dragon soul to open the eluvians. Briala currently has the master key that activates and locks any eluvian she chooses. She even made a password for it. Give the masked empire a read it has some cool lore.
2:55-3:02 I guess you can say it’s all...writing on the lyrium wall?! *badumtsh*
this makes sense when you witness DA:I ending cutscene....
I'm trying to piece all of this together:
The Old Gods potentially locked away The Forgotten Ones using Dragons as the keys to the prisons. Later, Solas, presumably angry at The Old Gods for their treatment of The Forgotten Ones, locked them away so The Forgotten Ones used Blight(s) to seek out and destroy these Dragon Gods in an attempt to free themselves while Coryphaeus used the Orb(s)/Anchor to travel into the fade to kill The Old Gods.
So, basically, The Rifts and The Blight are just The Forgotten Ones trying to break free and respond to a coup from The Old Gods?
Amazing, this makes so much sense
I have no idea what you are talking about but it seems neat and and like this hold thing could easily be avoided by less secrets.
Samual L. Sheperd i'll lose my mind soon
Hmmm... interesting theory. I was thinking more like the Dragons or the old gods are the Forgotten ones. Plus, I forgot the exact codex but I read that Dragons are the forms of gods hence why Flemeth can transform into a Dragon. Dragons are indeed the key but that's what I think their part is in the Dragon Age lore. To sum up: Old Gods are the Forgotten Ones and the Elven Gods, of course, are the Creators. Just my two pence in...
This theory is incorrect. Morrigan is able to open the eluvian even if she didn't perform the dark ritual with Warden/Logain/Alastair. This means that dragon souls are NOT the keys.
I just had a crazy thought.... what if Cassandra's method to 'cure' Tranquil were used on a dwarf? They could dream again, and hear the voice of the stone. Would be cool >.>
The void? Was that the "Nothing" Sera was super afraid of in the fade?
So this has probably been mentioned before, if Red Lyrium (blighted) existed during Arlathan, then the Tevinter magisters entering the Golden/Black City did not start the Blight, so what did?
I like your theories, they definitely make me think, but in my playthrough Morrigan had my Dragon Age Origins Character, though the child was not a "Old God" child, he was a normal born boy and my character from Origins died. With that being said, Morrigan had the Eluvian and she had opened it herself. Not saying it throws off your theory at all, as I like a good deal of it but just thought of pointing it out. Keep up the decryption!
I've got a big question about the eluvians. They all lead somewhere. Some are broken. Some have been left "slightly ajar like a door". All require keys to unlock and use. I get that. Fine. My question is how in the world did the one at the Temple of Mythal connect to Morrigan's eluvian back at Skyhold? I thought it was a one-to-one thing, each one connects to a specific other eluvian which might explain why some of them no longer work, as in if the connecting eluvian has been destroyed. But that one at the Temple led straight back to the Skyhold which was odd since when she used it to show it to the Inquisitor they turned up at the Crossroads.
A related question would be how did that same eluvian lead to the Fade when Kieran used it to reach Flemeth (if Morrigan had Kieran in your playthrough)? Wouldn't it have connected to the Crossroads? And yes, he might then have used another eluvian to reach the Fade but when the Inquisitor chases after Morrigan after Leliana informs them what has happened, they only go through the eluvian as before and find themselves in the Fade and begin looking for Morrigan.
Sloppy writing.
As for Kieran being able to open it on his own, yes, probably the soul of the old god assisted him in some way but then again it may have been with Flemeth's help as well since she called to him in the first place. I really wonder about a playthrough in which Morrigan did not have a son.
Lets look at what we know, for sure...
1. The Taint is a threat, larger than the Grey Wardens, or anyone can perceive - its power, can manipulate the physical world, and is beyond the bounds of normal magic.
2. The Taint is not bound, by the Darkspawn, nor the Old Gods... It exists separate from them, as an actual force upon the land. I.E. Red Lyrium, Blighted Land, etc...
3. The Taint's properties are similar, to those of lyrium - often urging the Darkspawn to seek out old gods via "song". Both Red and regular lyrium, bear this property, and have been depicted even since Origins as such. (I forgot the specific entry, but the Origin Codex makes mention of dwarven miners "hearing" the call of Lyrium ore, and using their "song" to find deposits. Not to mention that Lyrium, of both varieties, in exposure, induce insanity...)
4. The Chantry's version of the Taint, is right, and wrong... There is reason to believe, that Tevinter DID go to the Black City, and did return, tainted... But whether or not this, "city" was the seat of the Maker, or anything of the like, is unknown... It would seem that the Taint existed prior to this expedition , as is mentioned by dwarven account, and started deep underground, slowly rising to the surface.
5. Sandal is the Maker (Because seriously, this just has to happen...)
If any of these details are wrong, or have been dis-proven by some text, I have yet to read, please correct me.
what is twilight sleep ?
So wait, now I have a *poof* thought. I just watched your video on Sera, and if the theory is that she carries Andruil's soul or key, might she also be able to open a doorway for an Eluvian?
Not sure what that means for the story, but it makes my nerd ears twitch at the thought.
And I'm entirely too obsessed with your videos. Thank you for being my outlet. I seriously can't stop talking about it.
Ashley Hornbaker Let's throw her against an elluvian and see what happens!
Geek Remix Agreed.
one thing im wondering a lot about, is how Morrigan says each Eluvian has its own key, while in The Masked Empire, the gemstone is somehow the key to all the Eluvians?
I have been thinking that maybe Solas was the one that locked away the Old gods.
wow I didn't even know there was per-elf gods... forgotten gods, I though they were just talking about the Tevinter old gods...
I need to the codex more lol
what if the black city is arlathan and the elves were the ones who created the blight due to warring among themselves as is said at the temple of mythal . morrigan already shows you that ancient elves created the crossroads from the fade and solas mentions floating cities . throw this is in with the red lyrium theory and makes some sense
I'm so lost are the keys of aluvian physical keys or just metaphorical keys?? like someone a key or do you have to find the keys??🤔🎮
Kieran is an optional existence and isn't required. The Hero of Ferelden could be dead in this outline.
TheDeathThatNeverWas watch both videos.
You know how the Architect could talk and Corypheus could too do you think the Architect could be one of the tevinter mages and the reason he wanted to fix darkspawn is because he knew that the elven gods made the darkspawn to find them and corrrupt them.
These lore videos are harder to kick than red lyrium!
Yeah but what if Morrigan never had a baby? That's my next playthrough. I've set up things at the Dragon Age Keep to reflect the Warden (female) dying after killing the archdemon and no one having a baby with Morrigan. I want to see what happens with that bit with Flemeth since there would be no Kieran to summon through the eluvian.
I wonder who tried to kill Mythal. Who does she want revenge on, and can she now that she's been absorbed into Solas?
didn't morrgian open an elvuin without the god child in the witch hunt dlc i mean she had to in some games because the kid didn't exist
Morrigan can still enter the eluvian when she doesn't have an old god baby though...
That was what I was thinking.
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Also, is it confirmed that Kieran uses the Eluvian? Couldn't that have been Flemeth? It isn't like Kieran would have chosen to open the Eluvian on his own and know to use it to go to the Fade to find Flemeth. I'm sure she was behind all of that.
huh.. that all well and good but would explain why Solas didn't really get alone with The Iron bull after the charger are killed and why the Quarni is spying on them maybe they know something about Solas that the Inquisition doesn't know since they think very high of Dragons. I think Quarni have a good idea he might be the next Villain.
Did you mean at the end -FenHarel was one of the forgotten ones? Or the elven kin? Sorry that last line was lost on me.
Lithiel He was both.
Hello, Remix. Do you think that the Elven pantheon is none other than the Old Gods that was tainted?
Do you have any Theory on the next dragon age
Love your videos! Fascinating stuff.
But I was wondering, u never really mention the dark gods from elven history. The ones that fen'harel also befriended and tricked. I think you start referring to them in your Sarah video as the forgotten ones? Maybe they got trapped in the void andruil kept going to? Perhaps fen'harel thinks they are a solution or perhaps he can't awaken/free the other elven gods without also releasing them because they are in some way interlinked? Or perhaps the elven gods are extremely powerful abominations and the good ones like mythal are spirits and the dark ones are demons who've maybe retained some control because the mages were powerful enough? I'm also thinking maybe all of them were dreamers which would explain why they were so much stronger than the other elven mages.
The Piperman The dark old gods were put into the void BEFORE the elvehn gods were trapped. They were the enemies of the elvehn gods. I think that maybe the red lyrium has the dark gods in them. But I don't know.
Geek Remix
Ah, I'm going on vague recollection here but I thought fen'harel played both sides and trapped both at the same time or one after the other kind of thing. Atleast that's how I took it when I read it, I think. Have you come up with a theory as to what the dark elvehn gods were then? It would be interesting to see you make a video that explains your theory/theories entirely, I like the idea of enchantment and Sarah being vessels I guess, for the soul keys, it makes a lot of sense I just don't get how they would have gotten inside them unless maybe someone found the other two dragons, took their souls and it gets passed on through birth perhaps? Either that or mythal or fen'harel perhaps found them and placed them inside those two for whatever reason.
Argghhhh! So confused!! I need another dragon age game now to explain all of this!!
I cry because I want more theories 😭
Solas doesn't care if the old gods are slain. His problem was with the Wardens believing they could kill the old gods and prevent the blights. He thought them reckless, shortsighted, and ignorant to think they could easily outmaneuver the evil of the old gods and the darkspawn. More likely their involvement would have made things worse. That's all he had a problem with.
Also, the old gods are not the elven gods. And Solas didn't lock away the old gods. He locked away the other elven spirits of the pantheon, most likely by closing them off on the other side of the Eluvians.
we really don't know if they're one in the same....the old gods were dragons. mythal proved the elven gods could portray themselves as dragons. Solas locked the elven gods away, the old gods are also locked away. both belief systems are pantheons, so maybe tevinter and the elves were worshipping the same beings without knowing. after all, solas himself whines all through the game that tevinter stole elven magic and tradition, and when you ask him directly he says "the traditional lore says there's no connection" which is shady because he knows the lore is wrong in many ways...it seemed like he was avoiding the question
i never let morrigan have the demon baby in either of my dao plays. in my dai, she still has access to the mirror, so the mirror was opened by the death of the archdemon/alistair in my game. if each archdemon death opens a mirror, or is related to a god soul, how many archdemons have there been? is it one per age?? i'm relatively new to da, so not sure about all the backstory and how those details fit into your theory. i think there have been nine or more ages??
oh, but only 5 blights...5 archdemons/god souls
I love them theories
I was confused at the start because you seemed to say Keiran was the key for the Eluvian, but that isn't true as Morrigan has the Eluvian even if there isn't an Old god baby. I believe you meant Keiran was the key to going other places through the Eluvian not just the Crossroads. So you are saying Solas is upset because killing them will release what he locked away not that ancient things need to e perserved as Morrigan thinks. Interesting and something to consider.
It would have been cool for Kieran to meet Solas, pity he didn't.
ummm, but doesn't the arch demon soul get destroyed with the wardens?
Gaming Master Anthony you have to watch all 3 videos
I did after I commented, lol. But awesome video, though your theory is pretty much disproven about the whole archdemon souls being keys thing, because it actually says that both souls get destroyed.
Gaming Master Anthony Thats said by people who don't understand it.
Geek Remix and you do? Bioware confirmed it by that orlesian warden Riordian saying that both souls get destroyed. True he didn't know about the dark ritual but still, the few people who didn't go through with the dark ritual destroyed both souls.
Alright. Time I finally started to understand the Dragon Age lore instead of just smashing buttons. . . Are the old gods (dragons) inherently evil, or is it because they become corrupted by darkspawn that they become evil?
2. Flemmeth is some powerful shit, is she not herself a representation of one of the old gods, doesn't this make morrigan one as well? If so, wouldn't Morrigan be ridiculously strong?
3. Are the dragons that you fight in DAI regular dragons, or something more?
4. Where do I go to learn all this -.-
+Sean Mold There are books, forums, fan theory videos, comics, the games, a movie, and two web series all about the world of Thedas. I would strongly suggest looking on reddit, the bioware forums, and other videos like this. I, too, have finally started taking the lore serious now that I've beaten all the games.
For some help, I can give you what I know as answers to your questions. Spoilers ahead (in case you haven't played all the games or the DLCs):
The Old Gods themselves have been speculated as both evil beings and as simply dragons. After DAI and the DLC, it was also speculated that they were possibly ancient elves- not the elves we currently know. The Grey Wardens claim that they're old dragons that lay asleep in the Earth and are corrupted by the Darkspawn and thus become archdemons. Others, such a Corypheus (who is a Tevinter Magister that is corrupted just like the Architect) claim there are no gods and that the golden city is empty. These corrupted magisters claim to be gods, too.
Flemeth explains that she is possessed by what you'd consider a demon and that was Mythal. Morrigan is not actually Flemeth's daughter and thus has nothing more than the knowledge of magic that Flemeth has. Flemeth was only going to use Morrigan as a new body to continue living- she possesses people like demons do and takes over their bodies so she can keep living. Flemeth, however, is really a vessel for a god. Corypheus isn't a god, that we know of. I don't really want to spoil DAI for you, but someone close to the Inquisitor is Fen'harel- the trickster god/dread wolf. There's a special ending between them and Flemeth/Mythal.
As for the dragons- that's something I don't quite know, myself. They were supposed to be dead/extinct. The whole series is called Dragon Age, because it's the return of dragons thought to be gone. The dragon in DAO was worshiped as a god, but I don't know if it was or wasn't. Nothing is really known about the other dragons. But, there is always the theory that they could be god or even ancient elves, seeing as the Grey Wardens claim the blights begin when 'gods' are corrupted and become archdemons. I'll have to look up this type of stuff and see what I can find.
thanks a lot for taking the time to write this. much appreciated.
Sean Mold No problemo :)
im confused about vint's gods and elven gods, are the false gods are the tevinter's gods?????? man this made me more curious.
+V- twelveV From what the Trespasser DLC in DAI shows us, the Tevinter Gods could simply be direct copies of Ancient Elven Gods. I'm really looking forward to the new game already. =P
IKR ure not alone lol im hoping the next one will explain everything.......
V- twelveV *fingers crossed!*
One problem with this theory: the old gods aren't dragons, but like flemeth, powerful spirits/demons that take the form of one. Like Cole is a spirit who can become "human" if you give him the chance, and he even takes the identical form of something that has died or been in the fade, so what's to say the the old gods weren't powerful MALE demons that took the form of the high dragons, who you know, are ONLY females, and no, posing them wouldn't allow them to still communicate with the magistars in their dream, otherwise hakkon would of done so to free himself while only his body that he possed froze in time. That's the other thing, all dragons, maybe minus the greats, are female, and are way to savage to be intelligent, and hakkon could only posses the dragon after use of alot of magic and torturing of the dragon's mind, thus allowing him to POSSES the dragon. Given from what we have seen of the greats, they speak a different language, one not understood to day, and they where seemingly all killed off BEFORE tevinter, and even then, they can't communicate outside of their slumber. But I do agree with you that the old ones ARE the keys to something.
You are crazy in love with the story of this games series, of any fantasy world series by that matter. Control yourself woman!
***** no never
Geek Remix You must! Before it's too late! D:
Wait Mari, are we saying that the old elf gods (or mages, powerfull individuals or whoever they truly were) were truly more powerfull than the Old Gods that the Tevinters worshiped? Since they or Fen'Harel (sorry if I wrote it wrong) could bound the souls of the gods to work as the keys to unlock the Eluvians
If that is indeed the case than fuck :D they truly have the right to be called gods
While this buildup is already a great theory, I see one little but very important error. You said that Urthemiel's soul was the key for Morrigan to open the Eluvian, but what if she never got the hold of it? Without the Dark Ritual she lost the soul when one of the three Wardens destroyed it. Yet the similar scene plays. Is there a way for this to fit in?
Robert Sparmann There are 3 parts to this theory. Part 2 and 3 cover this kinda.
Just started with Part 3, it's explained right in the beginning. Should've been more patient :D
You have some really great theories. I always wondered why the orb was so important for Solas, and this could really explain that.
I mean Falon'din the God of passing.
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Nedelcu cosmin viorel i appreciate that you like the video :)
the maker is gonna shit on all these gods when he returns
The maker doesn't exist.
But this is just a theory, a game theory!
Question: are any dragons whatsoever male? Old gods, great dragons, or special variants or exceptions?
Morrigan can open the Eluvian regardless of having the demon child or not
Adam Cao She uses an alternate source of power. And keiren is able to open it himself because he has the soul.
Then how was the Eluvian in the Vir'Abelasan opened?
could be a chaos god of the blight ....thats scary
But if Mythal is an elven god then why did her well open an elivuan. If Dragon god souls are the key?
+eatmmyshorts Well, the dragon gods are technically the elven gods. So it could make sense.
Shit! That means Solas already has three keys! Will we need to get the next four?
was that actually written on ur bed or is it in the game?
I still feel like Solas is the maker somehow....that muthafucker is so mysterious. Ugh! I like these theories btw, very intriguing :P i keep them all in the back of my mind so that if one of them turns out to be true I can be like..."that mother fuxker was right!" Lol
Do you think the ancient Elvan gods, the Forgotten Ones, would be upset about the current state of Elves? Shouldn't Solas want to rescue his people from the fringes of society where some live in essential slavery? If Solas releases those he locked away so long ago, wouldn't they all just go on a murdering spree on humans?
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My mind just exploded.
Okay, finished.
I agree with what you say at the end. I believe what we know about the seven Elven Gods being sealed away is no longer true. Fen'harel and Mythal are friends and allies, and so there cannot be seven Dragon Souls tied to the Elven Gods sealed away, as Mythal is not sealed. Therefore, the Forgotten Ones are most likely sealed by these Old God souls.
The legend says Fen'harel sealed the Elven Gods and Forgotten Ones all at once by luring them to the same place, having convinced them each side was going to destroy each other. This made him the only living Elven deity, or whatever the gods/forgotten ones really are. I believe that this legend is twisted. Andruil, and the other gods (Minus Mythal) were obsessed with hunting the Forgotten Ones even though they were sealed beyond the Fade. The Old Gods existed as the result of the Forgotten Ones being sealed. I believe that against Mythal's wishes, the other Gods planned to kill the Old Gods/Dragons, and unleash the Forgotten ones to be killed. It is possible that this is Mythal's betrayal, and that they caused her to lose her corporeal form. Solas had to seal all the Old Gods and remaining Elven Gods away to protect the Elves from it all being undone.
I don't think I have it all figured out...But it's so fascinating!
Alex Dunn There are some stories that make is seem like the old ones were sealed first. it's confusing.
Geek Remix Yeah. The Fen'harel legend seems to be about sealing them somewhere beyond the Fade, which is supposedly where they were originally and why the Elves fear the Fade, right?
Perhaps the Elven Gods wanted to take the Forgotten Ones out of the Fade to fight them, or were throwing Elves at a sustained battle against the Forgotten Ones, and perhaps Fen'harel wanted to seal all the Gods and Forgotten Ones away in order to finally end the war, thinking that without that battle to worry about, the Elven people would be free. Instead, without the Elven Gods, the Elves fell to ruin.
Morrigan can open the eluvian even if she isn't pregnant or have baby without old god soul.
What if the Dragons ARE the Elven gods? What if Solas locked their souls away from their bodies to stop them from fighting with each other? And that it all went wrong? The soulless, sleeping bodies become corrupted by the Blight?
Ok I have now seen both videos and interesting theory however problems =
Nr.1 Have you read the books? In one of the books Ishmael provides a key that will controll/unlock all the Eluvians. So if a deamon can just provide a key for all of them then the whole keys in the archdeamons does not make sense.
Nr.2 there are more then 7 elven gods but only 7 tevinter dragons/archdeamons,
Nr.3 I never gave Morrigan her son.
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1.) He could be not aware of all elluvians and demons are NOT nearly as smart as they try to make you think. Solas says this himself. If you can survive the first 30 heartbeats with a demon, you can defeat them. The problem is that most people don't realize this because they are afraid or in awe of demons. In reality all demons are one dimensional and do not have the ability to be creative or extremely intelligent.
2.) 9 elven gods - 2 (fen'harel and mythal) = 7. 7 locked gods, 7 dragon gods.
3.) If morrigan does not have a god son, the soul goes to the nearest grey warden baby. Grey wardens have lots of sex i'm sure there is usually a lot of fetuses around.
Geek Remix Nr.1 but Ishmael is a very special deamon since you know so much lore I'm sure you know that he and 3 others were the ones who brought blood magic into this world. And saying that he did not know them all of the eluvians is a bit of speculation (but what isn't when talking about fictional lore).
nr.2 good comeback, case withdrawn,
Nr.3 grey warden baby sorry can't accept as an argument since then there would have been alot of wasted archdeamon souls in other people who would have died without knowing anything about them.
And my point was more when you said (Morrigan was able to open the eluvian when she was with the god baby) Also she was able to open the eluvian in Witch Hunt without any god baby. The point I'm trying to make is your wrong about her opening the eluvian the first time with the god baby, since that's not a requirement and no god baby no key is needed for the eluvians (atleast not that one)
Nr.4 I do buy your Sera theory 100% very interesting video, I would like to see more of these videos if you have more theories to post.
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Geek Remix Alistair says clearly in Origins that Grey Warden fertility rates are extremely low to nil. Even more so with two wardens involved. Clearly, Fiona was a rare exception to the rule. But it is, regardless, a rule which has been proven by the lack of children on Alistair's behalf as of more than a decade following the Blight. And Morrigan would not have needed a magical ritual to conceive Kieran in the first place if it were not difficult to have a child with a Warden.
blissinchains To be fair, Morrigan actually doesn't NEED a magic ritual to conceive a child with a Warden. She only needs to ritual to collect the soul of the archdemon. If you play a male warden, romance her, and have sex with her even once before later refusing to participate in the ritual, she'll still have a child. Under those circumstances, he's just regular Kieran sans old god soul.