Ultimately it is up to Raxx, but I personally feel that his dedication would be better off on another franchise, because Blizzard and their exploitations do not deserve people like Raxx as Raxx is far too good for them.
@@ta-software-solutions PoE has its own laundry list of issues outside of it's cash shop having shit like slots being paywalled which is shit in its own right.
@@midwestbox I payed once for a few stash tabs a couple years ago and since then have been able to dip into leagues whenever I feel like and get the full experience. I agree that QOL like that really shouldnt be paywalled but the price I payed is worth the hundreds of hours I've clocked.
When I was in university studying for production in game development I told my mentor that I wanted to work at Blizzard. At the time WoW was my all time favorite game so BlizArd was an abvious choice for me. My mentor was one of the original people at Activision and by extension also knew loads of leadership at Blizzard. I remember after I told him that I would like to go to Blizzard he jokingly said he knew and already contacted someone there to open up an internship position. He straight up rotated his screen and showed his DMs with an executive producer at Blizzard. A month or two pass and I didn't hear anything about that internship. When I ask him about it he takes me to a private area and tells me he won't be putting me in Blizzard for any money into he world. The day he told me was only a couple months before the massive layoffs at Blizzard. To this day I believe he saved me from a horrible career and I will be forever grateful. He also told me about sexual harassment and gross overspending in the company even before it all game to light.
Also, after having worked in the games industry I'm convinced the Blizzard development teams have no idea what they're doing. The design team and design leadership do not know how to make a game. As a game developer getting genuine feedback is one of the most difficult things. Blizzard has so much money, manpower and fans they could dominate any market in the games industry they wish but somehow they're stuck making weekly gated quests in WoW. I understand there's people that like that and that it may be part of the core of WoW but there hasn't been any noteworthy innovations to WoW since release. Too much of their additions/innovations to the game have been in function of increasing their monthly active users. I'm convinced the Blizzard dev team is incapable of making a proper MMO title. Although I would love to be proven wrong. Worth noting that the art department is an exception.
@SealTeamPepega if you know what a 9 to 5 is, you won't look at it from a perspective like that. If you're working a job with childhood friends, you all convince yourselves you're the best people on planet earth and don't need to do what you're literally supposed to do. Not so with childhood dreams. If you make that happen, you hold on for life and don't let go. He would've done great working for old Blizzard.
@SealTeamPepega wtf thats what blizzard was all about, thats why we had such an amazing game back in the days. People invested emotionally and were pasionate about what they do..... i miss thous times
@@Gamoak There's a difference between having passion to work at x company versus having passion in a particular hobby or industry. I think most people would agree that having a passion in something of interest is a great thing, while blind devotion to a company because they made a product you really like is a very bad thing.
@@dingding12321 I think the point more is if blizzard is the dream, when you get there you're more willing to put up with unreasonanble shit because blizzard was the goal. you might ignore better offers that are more convinient, pay more or generally have a healthier work environment because you're enamoured with a company that doesn't care about you personally and will abuse that attachment.
The fact that they decided to take down the Diablo Immortal section even though they could have kept the pages up and not even touch them, generating constant revenue just shows how committed these people are to how bad Diablo Immortal really is. Its a shame Asmon doesn't understand how the page generates revenue.
WOW! That's some god damn integrity right there. To pull out of a project that you've already sunk that many resources into. That takes character. From the entire team.
Uhm... more like 'let's just milk it for what it's worth and bail if it collapses', because they too hated the announcement of the game and probably the game itself. It is a _super shitty phone game_ , even here in this video he's in total denial of that fact probably to safe face.
5:27 this is spot on, at least for me. I always join betas, especially for Vampire Survivors, because I get to explore everything without known anything, and I usually tend to miss a lot of the stuff. And then the Discord sits together and goes through what they discovered and we share it
Such a true statement. I played a ton of D3 casually for years. Eventually console got seasons and there was all this grind to do for special cosmetics and free sets that were sometimes brand new, so going from someone who played casually and enjoyed just playing through the game to suddenly needing to know how to level quickly in order to get those rewards was huge. I never played diablo as the only game I would play except for when it first came out, and then when ROS first came out. So those guides for casual players to allow them to do a serious player's min/max grind and gearing for seasons were HUGE for me.
@toijg avnnr Blizzard wasn't really all that good back then either. They stole people from Everquest, while playing Everquest to build WoW. They sucked after Tides of Darkness. The greatness ended back after D3/WoW WoTLK/Starcraft 2 (Never played D3 or Starcraft 2+)
To be fair Wild Rift (Mobile LOL) is not P2W. You play the same way as everyone else, as much you pay, there's no difference. And to buy the Pass, in my personal opinion, it worth to buy with what it gives you.
This is quite sad, but the Maxroll team reminds me of the old Blizzard company, which used to make every single game with a big heart, truly a made-by-gamers-for-gamers company. The way Maxroll play-tested DI in Alpha, doing up all the raw data and painstakingly compiling them for the playerbase to peruse was very admirable, like when Blizzard developed games such as Diablo II and Warcraft III which were so beloved around the world. Nowadays, as long as a mobile game is "free", you are either getting bombarded by ads or microtransactions. There is always invisible paywalls in "free" games so you are encouraged to spend real money to power up your game. If you cannot control spending impulses, it's better to just avoid mobile games altogether and stick to traditional paid PC/console games. It's also good to identify certain greedy companies and avoid their games.
Passion was already starting to dwindle with D2 and W3. If you really want to go back to passion for fun without treating devs as sheep then you need to go further back.... Blackthorne and Warcraft 1.
@@elitereptilian200 True Grim Dawn often gets forgotten cuz its a single player game . But it is hands down one of the best arpgs out there currently not as complicated as poe but still miles more complicated than diablo 3. It is the perfect middle ground and the amount of builds you can do in that game is astonishing. Severly underated.
12:30 100% disagree with you here asmon. The diablo immortal devs should'v released patch notes. Its baffling they didnt and patch notes should be the norm
25:00 About creating resentment, this whole Diablo Immortal drama made me realize that beside the fact that it is a solid game, Hearthstone has plenty of predatory monetization. The fact that I spend over a hundred bucks on an expansion is a problem and despite me liking the game, I have made a resolution to quit it for good.
Imagine if blizzard just hired these dudes from the start and gave them creative control. This game could have been a masterpiece. These dudes blasted so hard it kind of explains the ridiculous gap between ftp and pay to win players.
@@budthecyborg4575 it's not as easy as throwing money and premade assets into a blender hoping it works. You need developers who know what they're doing and aren't just worried about money and profit.
Good desicion to close the branch. The guides would be "go to the store, get this bundle and 2 of this bundle, then upgrade your gem, go back to the store and buy these 5 bundles, go upgrade, repeat, repeat, repeat, price estimation/character: 500-700k".
"everybody expected this" oh we expected this with diablo immortal. we just didnt expect the level of severity. instead of being killer whales the whales are actually blue whale sized. there is a diffrence between pay to win and the rediculous levels this game took it too. its like every mobile game is set to like a 6 or 7 out of 10 on the pay to win scale and blizzard somehow went beyond the 10 all the way to 50.
Yeah I think there is a distinction to be made between expecting P2W and what we actually got which is basically pay to play. You literally cannot adequately play DI above about paragon 30 without paying money or struggling constantly. I still don't have 1200 resonance and am well over P30 because I just can't get decent gear to drop and refuse to buy 5 star legendary gems. It's gotten pretty ridiculous. Especially doing things like vault raids for shadows because it's basically forced PvP where you instantly lose at the 4th stage. Everyone expected it, but it's so much worse than anyone would have thought.
Therein lies the problem. It's simply a given that mobile games are p2w. If that's the case, why stop at 2, 7, even 10 on the p2w scale. Why not shoot for the moon, the stars, the next galaxy even. If it's a given that whales exist, and p2w mobile games are profitable, why stop at sone profit, why limit your ambitions? The worst case scenario is that you have to roll some of it back to appear "reasonable". But at point it doesn't matter, because you've drug the overton window kicking and screaming over to your side, and stuck an explosive collar around it's neck. Sure it can walk a couple steps back from you, but it can't even get close to where it was before. And gamers will laud ActiBlizz for "listening". Look guys, they heard us! It's not (as) p2w anymore! 900% value let's gòoooooo!
But is also true that that's a risk they take as companies do, and with all the options (games) we have out there for some reason people choose the bad product
It’s the world we live in. If there’s opportunity to make money people will take it. The Devs probably cared about the game, but the business men have a job that is “make money” and if there’s opportunity to make tons of money off of idiots even if it hurts peoples feelings they don’t care, because they made the money and did their job. They don’t care if it ruins the game or pisses off the developers. That’s why small indie game companies are the future. Small companies have the business men and developers both working together, instead of separate.
There comes a point (maybe several) where if you're still paying, playing, and/or broadcasting the p2w game that you're complaining about then you're part of the problem. Remember that engagement metrics are just as important as whales for these companies because that's how they make themselves look good to the stockholders aka their real customers.
@@colonelcider8292 I will repeat what you've already been told. "There's no such thing as bad publicity." I understand your doubt. But what about the new Warcraft expansion. When Asmon flew around with the Emerald drake preorder. He did not need to do that and he has by his own accord told multiple times how bad the game is. As long as the content is about Blizzard, they win. Good or bad is irrelevant.
@@colonelcider8292 are you intentionally missing the point? Emerald drakes has nothing to do with the publicity. The fact that Asmon is talking bad about the game and in the next second egging people on to get on theirs. As I was trying to communicate to you. There is no bad publicity. Just publicity.
You know, I've never played Diablo 3 or completed Diablo 2 After playing Immortal and seeing the infuriating amount of monetization it has, I ended up buying the Diablo 3 + Diablo 2 pack on Nintendo's eshop Now I'm actually having a lot of fun and don't feel like I'm getting milked for money all the time
@@procow2274 there's a engine port of D1 for a ton of platforms called DevilutionX, have been playing it for quite some time and it's awesome, and obviously I haven't gave a penny to ActiBlizzard
based on my observation (avid mobile player here), mobile game making, more of MMO's, has followed the trend of changing its mechanics based on where it launches. The new mobile game Ni No Kuni: Cross Worlds, during Korean Server and Beta test, didn't have any NFT in it, so everything for progress was supposed to be farmed, but when it scheduled for SEA and other region releases, they used those NFTs to be of significant importance to progress story-wise and gear-wise (also affects PVE and PVP heavily). In Ragnarok X: Next Generation, earlier server Taiwan, had different mechanics than that of SEA Region (different cooldowns, different pricing of packages.) It seems like there's this period of a "Maximizing Income from Whales" period, in which they rake in enormous amounts of cash, and after a time, they switch it to more of F2P-friendly stuff, where P2W stuff become so cheap that it's almost like a 'catch-up you dummy f2ps' price In my opinion, this is what happens when businessmen run games instead of gamers. Mobile game making is now just like making money out of NFT/Crypto, where you get in big and fast, and get out faster... sad to say
I like this UA-cam or he seems like a genuinely nice dude who's just a genuine fan it's a crying shame what blizzard has chosen to do to their fans especially ones as loyal as this dude Maybe one day they can learn but it's abundantly clear the blizzard of today is not the blizzard we fell in love with all those many years back.
Ye. Look at OW2 they are being really cheap with beta access and now they try to already sell some short of skin pack with beta access. Calling it; OW2 will die faster than anything you've seen.
@@disgustipated86 Just because they've always existed to make money, the severity of its greed can be drastically different. Blizzard has changed if you're old enough to experience its early days, especially before its merge with Activision.
The time and effort spent by this guy creating an in depth guide on how this game runs/works is actually so sad to watch. When this game was announced it was doomed to be a flop, yet he contiuned on with hope of it improving. Just watching this guy slowly crumble under the sheer amount of bullshit that blizzard threw at people with this game is genuinely soul destroying. He should put his time to better use on a game that deserves his time, loved his dedication and passion, just a shame he put all his eggs in this cancerous basket...
36:09 "The internet is like chickens." I LOVE THIS! So true. Internet brings out the bad in people far too much. They are not only chickens, but also sheep. People tend to show negativity as well as insult and abuse others. While others tend to support those actions. UA-cam is no exception. All because of anonymity and the attraction for drama. People that stand out or go against the flow tend to get pointed and kicked at. Or as you say, pecked at. Just lots of bully mentality with little brain usage. It really grinds my gears to see how disappointing society is.
i don't know if asmon is asking why genuinely, but here's why: when one idiot figured out that you can monetize the hell out of cheap games made for people that have jobs and aren't in the gaming community™ reading news and knowing better about gaming practices, aka avarage people, the world said: "i could do that and make profit". the rest is history
We make games on mobile & our thinking is if a person can pay for a call on the fly they possibly would be convinced to buy 5000x bundle of hay to feed their virtual horses.
Unfortunately if it did work that way, it would be simple, whales will compete against each other for who is more swollen, and whatever casual players they do retain that are short lived. Example being Fallout 76, Star Citizen, and all he other modern day examples in history. FOMO really makes this worse, and the very idea of losing your investments you put in.
Everyone will say "Oh you should have seen this coming" but I'm glad Asmon had empathy here. These guys didn't see it as a shitty mobile game first. They saw it as a Diablo game first and shitty mobile game second. Because that's how Blizzard sold it. The maxroll people have close relationships with some D2 and D3 devs and other Blizzard employees and even play with them from time to time. No matter what you think of Blizzard and their shit decision making, these guys felt like they could trust their friends and the people that make their favorite games. Then they got turned on. It's an absolute shame.
I played it all of 10 mins and knew it was a no. And I’m a fan boy like as big as they come. But I just had to accept it was a no go. And I don’t mind spending money on a game. But it was just so clear this was different
I did the same and realised I could just play Diablo 3 and get a much better experience. Big shame this game sucked ass, A diablo 3 like game that expanded on its systems and was playable on mobile would have had me all in for hours
Even if you have to spend 1 dollar to have an advantage over f2p including a cosmetic that makes it harder to spot you in a FPS for example, it should be a no-go. They should seperate f2p and p2p just like OSRS does. And yes, the amounts are straight up ridiculous and shouldn't be possible within a healthy market.
Raxx is one of the biggest Diablo Champs. It is always very sad when a game loses it's champs. But Diablo Immortal does not deserve Raxx, and probably the same can be said about the upcoming Diablo IV. :(
Doubtful regarding D4. If Immortal is a financial failure due entirely to the MTX, Blizzard execs would be insane to duplicate the same model for D4. A Dev studio can survive one game failing, but not two. Back to back. In the same franchise.
Oh awesome I'm actually pretty stoked to see maxrolls take on PoE builds. They're the masters of minmax in diablo so presuming that same standard goes for their guides we're gonna get some pretty sick builds from them every league.
@SealTeamPepega Diablo refugee? Mate I've played PoE since legion, long after the D3 refugee wave and long before the immortal one so idk what you're on but it's not helping. You do realize when they go tap into the PoE community they will straight up just hire actual PoE players for that right? They'll just hire people that played since beta and make them do buildguides for maxroll instead of some forum post or youtube video. Even if they were to get in there by themselves fresh and start learning PoE and then make buildguides, they would have a fresh look on builds that no other creator currently already stuck in their own thought pattern and comforts will have. This is how you progress. Listening to people that may have less total knowledge than you do but a different perspective entirely is one of the greatest ways to improve something. That is unless we start gatekeeping content creators from trying to enter the scene with this type of negative messaging before even giving them the light of day to try it of course.
they're testing out pay to win. Seei g what they can get away with. Also maybe trying to up players thresholds by making it a ludicrous amount money to top off vs a ridiculous amount of money to top off. Always shifting baselines and perspectives. ALWAYS
web development is tough and time consuming, the fact that some people not only want to give info but also make it look good is something that deserves respect.
I was planning on playing the game more or less solo so the pay2win aspect didn't even bother me that much. Still stopped playing 2 weeks ago because there just wasn't enough build diversity and having skill variations locked to gear perks was too limiting and slow.
@@jeshegames yeah, less skills and more hassle to change it. In the end I don’t care as much about the numbers getting bigger as I do playing around with different skills
It is almost undeniable that Blizzard used these people to set up their P2W model. It explains how they knew exactly how and where to squeeze, and how those specific mechanics regarding payment worked perfectly. It’s insane how scum this company has become. Screw ActiBlizz
I respect his decision, why waste time making guides for a game where winning is not based on skill but instead based on how many times you can swipe your credit card. Like no matter how good of a guide they will make, all it takes is one or two swipes and it overshadows weeks or months of progress in an instant.
13:38 - 14:20 Yeah, it’s quite frustrating when people confuse what things are with how things have to be. Like just because something is a certain way most of the time it doesn’t mean it has to be like that or that it can’t or shouldn’t be changed.
I think the reason why mobile games are frequently pay to win probably has something to do with the fact that for whatever reason people really don’t want to pay any amount of money to download a game, even if its only a dollar. So mobile games either have to get money from ads or in game purchases, and you could argue that the in game purchases could just be cosmetics, but that would require consistent work to make new cosmetics. It’s much easier to build gates, than it is to build interesting things behind the gates.
I think the bait and switch alpha is very damning for Blizzard's relationship with content creators if they pursue this model for their other games. It's one thing to change your game between beta/alpha and beta/release but it's another to fundamentally change the core gameplay in order to give content creators and testers a false impression of the game.
why would they care? they already made their money and sucked a bunch of people's wallets dry. now they can go live the sweet life without having to make anymore games.
@@Paztacos This. 100%. Money tastes delicious, and neither Bobby nor ActiBliz are ever going to stop. Why would they? Why should they? They've created a skinner box simulation on steroids with a thin veneer of gameplay, nostalgia memberberries, and fomo. All they have to do now is sit back and vaccum up free money from minnows, fish, dolphins, whales, krakens, levithans, gambling addicts and kids with access to their parents credit cards. This may not even be ActiBliz and Bobby's final form yet. But it's a clear sign of what's to come with likely D4, etc. When you perfect the recipe you don't just discard it and start from scratch the next time you make it. At most they'll slightly scale back the hyper aggressive monetization strategy, to appear "reasonable" and having "listened to player input", while having drug the overton window violently towards their side. And gamers will say "see, they listened" it's not (as) pay to win anymore! Wow! 900% value! See! ActiBlizz cares!
So the new strat for corps is to make a "fun" version and pre-release it to influencers so they advertise it for them and then add in all the stuff that takes the fun out and makes cash grabs. gotch ya. ya bliz is on the do not buy list now
Thank you, someone finally gets it. Especially now, after all these recent records of how much of a deplorable shitshow blizzard is to work for. the harrassment charges, the murder of some of our favorite games etc...money is the only language corporations understand therefore people need to stop buying games from activision/blizzard, stop giving them money and stop giving them a reason to keep that troll-looking ass Bobby Contick around. Pirate their shit as this situation, imo, is a very good argument for pirating: A digital protest so to speak. All is fair in war and blizzards attitude towards their own fans has hit such extreme lows that something needs to happen...and that something is the publics responsibility! Boycott blizzard and let Bobby Asstick know how you feel about his troll-looking ass. And perhaps, if we succeed with blizzard, I am certain other corporations will take notice and that would be a good start for everyone.
So I tried this game a couple days ago. Ignored all the shitty pay 2 win aspect and started the story. Got to level 50 as a Wizard and logged in last night to realize they literally nerfed the shit out of the Wizard. So I just uninstalled and will move on. Fuck Blizzard and their greed
I miss the days when most of the game you're rolling with mostly blue equipments, maybe one purple, and getting a second purple or even a gold one feels so awesome. Now you literally feel like blues are trash, because they are.
Stay a while and listen... Remember well adventurer... There are Legends in Sanctuary : 1. Random guy in red at Blizcon, he was the grandmaster of foreshadow. 2. Someone who finished Diablo 3's 150 Grs with all character in 1 season. even bul katos will bow before him, he was the grandmaster of dedication.
When he says that gambling can ruin lives - the worst part is that even if you 'win' (say, spend less money than others to get the stuff you want), what do you actually get? Maybe some clout from certain communities? Gambling with a casino or a bookie can also ruin lives, but at least in that case there's a slim chance you'll buck the odds and actually come out ahead.
Also let's not forget most these mobile games don't even support their UA-camrs. They make all kinds of rules to censor your videos. I had 1 game tell me that I wasn't able to put like and subscribe in my video description. One of their discord mods actually told me I wasn't allowed to advertise my video guides.
Just a suggestion for anybody who plays Diablo even remotely a little bit - or is interested in doing so / enjoys watching it. Go watch some of Raxx’s videos and guides. He is a super good content creator, explain things so clearly and really takes his time. Big fan of Raxx and I encourage anyone to give him a try and show some support. He puts a lot of effort into his videos.
I just got into D3 properly (think I completed it years ago but wasn't looking at guides) I used Raxx' videos to get good. I play on switch, but I'm top 500 in hardcore seasonal, pretty proud
the thing here is, most of us that have played games forever, I am 34 and have played blizz games since warcraft 2. Diablo 2 was my favorite childhood game right behind Half Life. Using my 30 years of "infinite knowledge" I never once had ANY hope for diablo immortal. Call it what you will, the stuff we loved are now IPs stuck in "Publisher Hell". Its a process but I dont care what blizzard does and follow indie developers.
"We knew all along the game would be Pay-to-Win, and leading a cherished franchise into the mobile market would certainly bring challenges for both the Developers and Community. Despite these concerns, we planned to prevail and make the most of what we thought was a good core game with plenty of potential..." They thought it was just gonna blow over, shills...
This is some sad stuff, man. People already had low expectations for Diablo Immortal and already expected the worse from it, but to be EVEN WORSE than what was already expected.
At this point I just hope Blizzard is forced to shut down DI and never makes a mobile POS game again... But then again its Blizzard so hope is mostly lost
If they did a normal Diablo game that was playable multiplayer... then just monetised a part of it for skins or design armour / weapons, they would have made much more money
Thankfully Blizz got them as a benchmark without much thought. Their team probably played for 10+ hours a day. Then Blizz saw that they cannot let this happen and the p2w and f2p gap is so enormous. That it’s like going to a shooting competition and they gave the f2p a rope and tied his hands behind the back; and they gave p2w automatic gun with aimbot.
Max roll is LEGIT and the go to place for the games they represent. 100% Grade A advice from hardcore gamers with 1000's of hours of gaming experience in the game guides they are representing. This isnt a "top 10 OP!!!! builds for XYZ game site"
I didn't play much Diablo immortal but one of my big gripes with it is the fan service. I met a ton of characters from Diablo 2 in my short playtime and it felt weird and disappointing to see them in this gatcha game. Charsi, Akara, Kashya, heck even Flavie is in there. I would have been happy to meet them in Diablo 4. But in DI it felt like such a waste
Asmongold - I don’t enjoy Diablo immortal anymore I’m done Asmongold - I want to watch diablo immortal videos for weeks longer than me actually playing the game and just complain about the P2W that already killed the game
I hope Raxx and the Maxroll team takes this chance to do quick snippet reviews of smaller ARPGs. If the vision is to be the go-to for ARPG guides, i think it will do them good to dip their toes into smaller games they genuinely find fun and interesting.
What Blizzard could do is provide a url endpoint to all the changes to spells, items, etc and then when you are writing your guides every time you mention an item or a spell that gets saved. That way the system knows where you mentioned that spell or item or whatever. Then if Blizzard changes a spell, it will show up on that URL endpoint, and you can flag all the locations you mentioned it on your website for review. That's a start at least. Alternatively you could look at the change log and build that endpoint data yourself.
I love these content creators. Talk about how your done with the game and yet always find ways to make more content about it. The game isn’t over and if anything it’s only gonna get bigger. Just cause a few streamers stop playing it’s not gonna have any impact.
Thank u, I have no clue why they are hating on this game so much, it's actually honestly really annoying....like dead ass ion get what's wrong with the game they made because I can buy stuff...thats any mobile game, these dudes will blow money on other stuff but get mad u can in DI it's actually annoying
Since 2005, there hasnt been an mmorpg that makes me feel that rewarding experience of genuinely putting time to the game to get raw progress, an experience that rewards grinding and only grinding while not discouraging his players with p2w tactics, I hope in the future something like a blend of elden ring and a mmorpg pops in, maybe with a monthly suscribtion or buying the game upfront, it seems like the most coherent way of monetization
I am really looking forward to a couple of months from now when this game is completely dead in the water and nobody is playing it anymore and seeing the absolute devastation of all the fuckwits that dropped 10s or 100s of thousands on it. I mean, I feel sorry for guys like this that went into it at the beginning hoping that Blizzard was not going to be complete scumbags, but anyone that is now still giving these sleazy piece of shit company money really just deserves everything thats coming.
Im a designer for a different type of company. But there are similarities. You got this Amazing Idea for a "Product" in general. And everyone is hyped and than the top heads get around it that see $$$ sings everywhere and start picking it apart. Let's use plastic it will be cheaper nobody will notice. I got this amazing idea for customer to pay more... and it goes on and on. And after that you endup with half product that nobody will be satisfied. But the top will make profit because it is Premium product on the surface and if everything fall apart they will claim bonuses and all will be blamed on the design team. I bet people that designed that game went through it. many many times.
im a website dev and literally it doesnt take a long time as long as you've already written the code for it (its called boilerplate code), im sure asmo thinks it takes a long time because hes making his website on wix and not with a cool framework like react or anguler
"This is how mobile games are" yes and there was a time when slavery was just a thing. We can change that...if we were able to abolish slavery surely we can c hange mobile games
They should create a page for each class with a guide but the page costs 12.99 to unblur and when you do it shows you how to put in your card information in immortal.
One simply has to look at POE to see how to create content for a game, the manner in which they do is the reason I still play. Having played prior to the release of the Atlas the changes I have seen have been amazing, and yeah at times overwhelming. It is huge with one of the most complex character build systems I've ever seen, and it took literal years to get there, YEARS! Be glad you do not have to do Act 4 dry lake runs on merc until 90+ lol those where the day's.
I cannot possibly explain how important managing expectations are in all aspects of life. This is a great example of just one of them. You are going to have problems with everything in life if you can't manage expectations properly.
Well, one thing they have not mentioned is how much it would cost them to test stuff anyway... if it does cost 500k to get the "best gear", how are they even gonna get the gear to test ? It makes no sense for them to pay to get the best gear, knowing full well the next tier will just come out in a couple of months.
Wow I am actually surprised that they realized that they and other streamers for Immortal are actually part of the problem. Glad they are backing out. Hopefully they get more and more to back out of it and stop paying and spending.
Max respect man. Max respect. All that work and they put in a lot. Theres no way blizzard is splitting servers. The whales need fresh plankton to feed on to feel like gods after sucking at every other game for ever. It would actually be funny watching two teams of whales searching the map for easy kills but they are all equal.
my problem with poe is so complex i cant just sit and play and have a good time with the story, no i have to manage things and if i take a break its a massive catchup and min max changes i have to adapt to
I had stopped playing mobile games years ago because I got sick of in game spending. I think the last game I played was Demon hunter or something like that. The only reason I even tried Diablo Immortal was because my friend wanted me to try it with him. I'll tell you right now, that game solidified why I will NEVER play a mobile game ever again. Mobile gaming is a literal dumpster fire.
To be fair people like Rexx are part of the problem. Not because he streams a game that’s a glorified slot machine with worse odds, but because he just passively ACCEPTS this predatory Pay-to-Win standard as “the nature of mobile gaming”.
That's great and all but how do you change it? A simple matching game, Candy Crush is massive pay to win and tops the profit charts constantly. So thus everyone else does it cause it works. Instead of getting mad at people who "accept" that mobile is pay to win how about you make a change to it. It's so easy right? Just tell those companies to stop raking in millions to billions of gambling addicts and people who don't care how much they spend. Sure its going to fix the problem right?
At the Blizzcon it was announced - I wonder if the demo we played was this alpha? It was a ton of fun in the short demo, but didn't look anything like it does now.
Ultimately it is up to Raxx, but I personally feel that his dedication would be better off on another franchise, because Blizzard and their exploitations do not deserve people like Raxx as Raxx is far too good for them.
I'd love to see raxx just smashing lost ark moving forward
Need hero siege guides pls rax
@@ta-software-solutions PoE has its own laundry list of issues outside of it's cash shop having shit like slots being paywalled which is shit in its own right.
@@midwestbox I payed once for a few stash tabs a couple years ago and since then have been able to dip into leagues whenever I feel like and get the full experience. I agree that QOL like that really shouldnt be paywalled but the price I payed is worth the hundreds of hours I've clocked.
Well, they've got the most banging guides for Lost Ark plus are gonna put out stuff for PoE. They'll be good.
When I was in university studying for production in game development I told my mentor that I wanted to work at Blizzard. At the time WoW was my all time favorite game so BlizArd was an abvious choice for me. My mentor was one of the original people at Activision and by extension also knew loads of leadership at Blizzard.
I remember after I told him that I would like to go to Blizzard he jokingly said he knew and already contacted someone there to open up an internship position. He straight up rotated his screen and showed his DMs with an executive producer at Blizzard.
A month or two pass and I didn't hear anything about that internship. When I ask him about it he takes me to a private area and tells me he won't be putting me in Blizzard for any money into he world.
The day he told me was only a couple months before the massive layoffs at Blizzard. To this day I believe he saved me from a horrible career and I will be forever grateful. He also told me about sexual harassment and gross overspending in the company even before it all game to light.
Also, after having worked in the games industry I'm convinced the Blizzard development teams have no idea what they're doing. The design team and design leadership do not know how to make a game. As a game developer getting genuine feedback is one of the most difficult things. Blizzard has so much money, manpower and fans they could dominate any market in the games industry they wish but somehow they're stuck making weekly gated quests in WoW. I understand there's people that like that and that it may be part of the core of WoW but there hasn't been any noteworthy innovations to WoW since release. Too much of their additions/innovations to the game have been in function of increasing their monthly active users.
I'm convinced the Blizzard dev team is incapable of making a proper MMO title. Although I would love to be proven wrong.
Worth noting that the art department is an exception.
@SealTeamPepega if you know what a 9 to 5 is, you won't look at it from a perspective like that. If you're working a job with childhood friends, you all convince yourselves you're the best people on planet earth and don't need to do what you're literally supposed to do. Not so with childhood dreams. If you make that happen, you hold on for life and don't let go. He would've done great working for old Blizzard.
@SealTeamPepega wtf thats what blizzard was all about, thats why we had such an amazing game back in the days. People invested emotionally and were pasionate about what they do..... i miss thous times
@@Gamoak There's a difference between having passion to work at x company versus having passion in a particular hobby or industry. I think most people would agree that having a passion in something of interest is a great thing, while blind devotion to a company because they made a product you really like is a very bad thing.
@@dingding12321 I think the point more is if blizzard is the dream, when you get there you're more willing to put up with unreasonanble shit because blizzard was the goal. you might ignore better offers that are more convinient, pay more or generally have a healthier work environment because you're enamoured with a company that doesn't care about you personally and will abuse that attachment.
The fact that they decided to take down the Diablo Immortal section even though they could have kept the pages up and not even touch them, generating constant revenue just shows how committed these people are to how bad Diablo Immortal really is. Its a shame Asmon doesn't understand how the page generates revenue.
Bad? How? Because poor people are complaining?
@@litrogue6328 It'll be impossible to miss the point harder than this.
@@litrogue6328 worst bait
@@litrogue6328 can't tell if troll or actually the first ever 2 iq human being
@@litrogue6328 bait
WOW! That's some god damn integrity right there. To pull out of a project that you've already sunk that many resources into. That takes character. From the entire team.
Uhm... more like 'let's just milk it for what it's worth and bail if it collapses', because they too hated the announcement of the game and probably the game itself. It is a _super shitty phone game_ , even here in this video he's in total denial of that fact probably to safe face.
@@PHeMoX Uhm he said it several times that the game isn't good. But whatever.
5:27 this is spot on, at least for me. I always join betas, especially for Vampire Survivors, because I get to explore everything without known anything, and I usually tend to miss a lot of the stuff. And then the Discord sits together and goes through what they discovered and we share it
Hello Dex :)
@@tomasmutina3501 Hey there :D
Raxx is one of the nicest streamers that genuinely tries to help everyone from newbs to serious grind gamers
Such a true statement. I played a ton of D3 casually for years. Eventually console got seasons and there was all this grind to do for special cosmetics and free sets that were sometimes brand new, so going from someone who played casually and enjoyed just playing through the game to suddenly needing to know how to level quickly in order to get those rewards was huge. I never played diablo as the only game I would play except for when it first came out, and then when ROS first came out. So those guides for casual players to allow them to do a serious player's min/max grind and gearing for seasons were HUGE for me.
@@Hyde472 Absolutely. Raxx and Maxroll are a significant part why I keep playing D2 and D3. Can't wait for the PoE stuff.
Their wizard guide on diablo immortal is trash af. Im glad they taking this shit down
@@antwan7904 sorry ya feel that way boss. Many have learned lots from the maxRoll team.
@toijg avnnr Blizzard wasn't really all that good back then either. They stole people from Everquest, while playing Everquest to build WoW. They sucked after Tides of Darkness. The greatness ended back after D3/WoW WoTLK/Starcraft 2 (Never played D3 or Starcraft 2+)
I love your rants when people say mobile games are pay to win, 'that's just how it is.' Never stop calling that shit out.
To be fair Wild Rift (Mobile LOL) is not P2W. You play the same way as everyone else, as much you pay, there's no difference. And to buy the Pass, in my personal opinion, it worth to buy with what it gives you.
its not that i disagree, its just a fact. people do pay to win the game.
This is quite sad, but the Maxroll team reminds me of the old Blizzard company, which used to make every single game with a big heart, truly a made-by-gamers-for-gamers company. The way Maxroll play-tested DI in Alpha, doing up all the raw data and painstakingly compiling them for the playerbase to peruse was very admirable, like when Blizzard developed games such as Diablo II and Warcraft III which were so beloved around the world.
Nowadays, as long as a mobile game is "free", you are either getting bombarded by ads or microtransactions. There is always invisible paywalls in "free" games so you are encouraged to spend real money to power up your game. If you cannot control spending impulses, it's better to just avoid mobile games altogether and stick to traditional paid PC/console games. It's also good to identify certain greedy companies and avoid their games.
Well JamesKC as the old saying goes, nothing is more expensive than something free.
I'm not gonna lie I was victim to this impulse then I finally woke up, it's so easy to get hooked especially with a credit card lol
look at mech arena it can take a person a year or more to get one mech and one weapon set to max if that's the only thing you work on
@@snickle1980 yea i play it spend nothing still do well
Passion was already starting to dwindle with D2 and W3. If you really want to go back to passion for fun without treating devs as sheep then you need to go further back.... Blackthorne and Warcraft 1.
Maxroll is the best character planning tool in the Diablo2 arsenal. Love those guys.
Not any more
Hands down. Especially with all the new changes via patches.
@@elitereptilian200 They said they are planning many new games coming soon :)
@@elitereptilian200 True Grim Dawn often gets forgotten cuz its a single player game . But it is hands down one of the best arpgs out there currently not as complicated as poe but still miles more complicated than diablo 3. It is the perfect middle ground and the amount of builds you can do in that game is astonishing. Severly underated.
12:30 100% disagree with you here asmon. The diablo immortal devs should'v released patch notes. Its baffling they didnt and patch notes should be the norm
Ah yes, patch notes on how they're going to further f u in the a55
This guy looks so defeated..
Fucking oof.
I think that's just raxx in general. He's been no life grinding diablo 3 for almost a decade
25:00 About creating resentment, this whole Diablo Immortal drama made me realize that beside the fact that it is a solid game, Hearthstone has plenty of predatory monetization. The fact that I spend over a hundred bucks on an expansion is a problem and despite me liking the game, I have made a resolution to quit it for good.
Imagine if blizzard just hired these dudes from the start and gave them creative control. This game could have been a masterpiece. These dudes blasted so hard it kind of explains the ridiculous gap between ftp and pay to win players.
They were heavily involved in testing and their feedback was quite literally ignored. Blizzard needs to be hung to dry for this.
@@jakeberger5946 Blizzard probably used their play data to build the very caps in progression that is frustrating them now.
Mobile games are all about whaling.
@@budthecyborg4575 it's not as easy as throwing money and premade assets into a blender hoping it works. You need developers who know what they're doing and aren't just worried about money and profit.
@@redelfshotthefood8213 Why? Game is just a game, not spending maney.
Good desicion to close the branch. The guides would be "go to the store, get this bundle and 2 of this bundle, then upgrade your gem, go back to the store and buy these 5 bundles, go upgrade, repeat, repeat, repeat, price estimation/character: 500-700k".
Imagine being so disgustingly predatory that you have other people giving up easy revenue just to not be associated with you even remotely.
Some people have tegrity and won't sell their souls so easily.
"everybody expected this" oh we expected this with diablo immortal. we just didnt expect the level of severity. instead of being killer whales the whales are actually blue whale sized. there is a diffrence between pay to win and the rediculous levels this game took it too. its like every mobile game is set to like a 6 or 7 out of 10 on the pay to win scale and blizzard somehow went beyond the 10 all the way to 50.
Yeah I think there is a distinction to be made between expecting P2W and what we actually got which is basically pay to play. You literally cannot adequately play DI above about paragon 30 without paying money or struggling constantly. I still don't have 1200 resonance and am well over P30 because I just can't get decent gear to drop and refuse to buy 5 star legendary gems. It's gotten pretty ridiculous. Especially doing things like vault raids for shadows because it's basically forced PvP where you instantly lose at the 4th stage. Everyone expected it, but it's so much worse than anyone would have thought.
@@PRC533 [sarcasm] But i thought P2W was only for PVP ?!? why did *insert big influencer that made million streaming* lied to me ?[/sarcasm]
Therein lies the problem. It's simply a given that mobile games are p2w. If that's the case, why stop at 2, 7, even 10 on the p2w scale. Why not shoot for the moon, the stars, the next galaxy even. If it's a given that whales exist, and p2w mobile games are profitable, why stop at sone profit, why limit your ambitions? The worst case scenario is that you have to roll some of it back to appear "reasonable". But at point it doesn't matter, because you've drug the overton window kicking and screaming over to your side, and stuck an explosive collar around it's neck. Sure it can walk a couple steps back from you, but it can't even get close to where it was before. And gamers will laud ActiBlizz for "listening". Look guys, they heard us! It's not (as) p2w anymore! 900% value let's gòoooooo!
The fact that companies make good games and then ruin them purposely just to introduce in game stores is so sad and twisted
But is also true that that's a risk they take as companies do, and with all the options (games) we have out there for some reason people choose the bad product
What's good about standing still and spamming a button until the boss dies?
@@Amateracu1991DFFOO Because it gives people satisfaction. That's the point of a video game
@@Amateracu1991DFFOO dopamine rush and greedy game companies pray on that
It’s the world we live in. If there’s opportunity to make money people will take it. The Devs probably cared about the game, but the business men have a job that is “make money” and if there’s opportunity to make tons of money off of idiots even if it hurts peoples feelings they don’t care, because they made the money and did their job.
They don’t care if it ruins the game or pisses off the developers. That’s why small indie game companies are the future. Small companies have the business men and developers both working together, instead of separate.
There comes a point (maybe several) where if you're still paying, playing, and/or broadcasting the p2w game that you're complaining about then you're part of the problem. Remember that engagement metrics are just as important as whales for these companies because that's how they make themselves look good to the stockholders aka their real customers.
The guy is making videos about popular topics. I don't play Diablo at all and this Is interesting
@@colonelcider8292 I will repeat what you've already been told. "There's no such thing as bad publicity." I understand your doubt. But what about the new Warcraft expansion. When Asmon flew around with the Emerald drake preorder. He did not need to do that and he has by his own accord told multiple times how bad the game is. As long as the content is about Blizzard, they win. Good or bad is irrelevant.
@@sirdinkus6537 tell that to Amber Heard.
@@colonelcider8292 are you intentionally missing the point? Emerald drakes has nothing to do with the publicity. The fact that Asmon is talking bad about the game and in the next second egging people on to get on theirs. As I was trying to communicate to you. There is no bad publicity. Just publicity.
@@Tyfonen ‘no such thing as bad publicity’ comes from being a public figure in the 80’s and certainly doesn’t ring true in all situations..
We lost China boys, time to abandon the mobile market.
You know, I've never played Diablo 3 or completed Diablo 2
After playing Immortal and seeing the infuriating amount of monetization it has, I ended up buying the Diablo 3 + Diablo 2 pack on Nintendo's eshop
Now I'm actually having a lot of fun and don't feel like I'm getting milked for money all the time
If you enjoy them, Id also reccommend path of exile. Its free and no pay to win.
@@jamesrobsonza7752 um I heard it’s p2w, Asmon said so
@@bizzzzzzle Nope, you cant buy anything to make your characters stronger, no pay to win. You can buy skins and convenience, no loot.
Well, you bought the games so you're endorsing them in some way
@@procow2274 there's a engine port of D1 for a ton of platforms called DevilutionX, have been playing it for quite some time and it's awesome, and obviously I haven't gave a penny to ActiBlizzard
Diablo Immortal reminds me of the conversation between Robert Downey Jr. and Ben Stiller regarding "Simple Jack" in Tropic Thunder
Hope you get more likes. Comment is gold
“Never go full retard”
based on my observation (avid mobile player here), mobile game making, more of MMO's, has followed the trend of changing its mechanics based on where it launches. The new mobile game Ni No Kuni: Cross Worlds, during Korean Server and Beta test, didn't have any NFT in it, so everything for progress was supposed to be farmed, but when it scheduled for SEA and other region releases, they used those NFTs to be of significant importance to progress story-wise and gear-wise (also affects PVE and PVP heavily). In Ragnarok X: Next Generation, earlier server Taiwan, had different mechanics than that of SEA Region (different cooldowns, different pricing of packages.) It seems like there's this period of a "Maximizing Income from Whales" period, in which they rake in enormous amounts of cash, and after a time, they switch it to more of F2P-friendly stuff, where P2W stuff become so cheap that it's almost like a 'catch-up you dummy f2ps' price
In my opinion, this is what happens when businessmen run games instead of gamers. Mobile game making is now just like making money out of NFT/Crypto, where you get in big and fast, and get out faster... sad to say
I like this UA-cam or he seems like a genuinely nice dude who's just a genuine fan it's a crying shame what blizzard has chosen to do to their fans especially ones as loyal as this dude Maybe one day they can learn but it's abundantly clear the blizzard of today is not the blizzard we fell in love with all those many years back.
Text to speech is wack
Ye. Look at OW2 they are being really cheap with beta access and now they try to already sell some short of skin pack with beta access. Calling it; OW2 will die faster than anything you've seen.
Blizzard never changed. You're just older and are paying for the games yourself now. They've always existed to make money.
@@disgustipated86 Just because they've always existed to make money, the severity of its greed can be drastically different. Blizzard has changed if you're old enough to experience its early days, especially before its merge with Activision.
but at least they put efforts into their games back then, unlike nowadays.
and "make money" doesn't always mean "maximize profit"
The time and effort spent by this guy creating an in depth guide on how this game runs/works is actually so sad to watch. When this game was announced it was doomed to be a flop, yet he contiuned on with hope of it improving. Just watching this guy slowly crumble under the sheer amount of bullshit that blizzard threw at people with this game is genuinely soul destroying. He should put his time to better use on a game that deserves his time, loved his dedication and passion, just a shame he put all his eggs in this cancerous basket...
Well, he brought this upon himself. Like... all the red flags were there before
I think the real winner from the release of Diablo is Asmongold's channel.
@ONLY COURAGEOUS PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO WATCH MY VID got it
Absolute respect to these orbiting companies that could potentially profit off Immoral and still decide to discontinue support.
They saw the writing on the wall, it wasn't a decision based on having a conscious.
36:09 "The internet is like chickens."
I LOVE THIS! So true.
Internet brings out the bad in people far too much. They are not only chickens, but also sheep. People tend to show negativity as well as insult and abuse others. While others tend to support those actions. UA-cam is no exception. All because of anonymity and the attraction for drama. People that stand out or go against the flow tend to get pointed and kicked at. Or as you say, pecked at. Just lots of bully mentality with little brain usage. It really grinds my gears to see how disappointing society is.
So Dire-Were-Sheep
Blood i see blood i need to peck
@@Namamiri blood for the blood god. Peck for blood, peck for glory
i don't know if asmon is asking why genuinely, but here's why:
when one idiot figured out that you can monetize the hell out of cheap games made for people that have jobs and aren't in the gaming community™ reading news and knowing better about gaming practices, aka avarage people, the world said: "i could do that and make profit".
the rest is history
Most social outgoing UA-cam commenter LULE
seems fucked up, "capitalism works people into the ground, offers scammy games to make better use of their time it stole"
We make games on mobile & our thinking is if a person can pay for a call on the fly they possibly would be convinced to buy 5000x bundle of hay to feed their virtual horses.
Once the minows leave there is no point for whale's to exist. Who would a whale flex to if there is nobody in the game?
Well once the minnows leave, the whales starve to death soon after cause they have nothing left to eat
My money is on Blizz filling it with bots for whales to circlejerk over
@@Heavenclone Whales eat plankton, not minnows... but the analogy stands.
Unfortunately if it did work that way, it would be simple, whales will compete against each other for who is more swollen, and whatever casual players they do retain that are short lived. Example being Fallout 76, Star Citizen, and all he other modern day examples in history. FOMO really makes this worse, and the very idea of losing your investments you put in.
@@gelonvia8525 it's sunk cost fallacy when people hang on much too late. FOMO is when people jump in blindly way too early.
Everyone will say "Oh you should have seen this coming" but I'm glad Asmon had empathy here. These guys didn't see it as a shitty mobile game first. They saw it as a Diablo game first and shitty mobile game second. Because that's how Blizzard sold it. The maxroll people have close relationships with some D2 and D3 devs and other Blizzard employees and even play with them from time to time. No matter what you think of Blizzard and their shit decision making, these guys felt like they could trust their friends and the people that make their favorite games. Then they got turned on. It's an absolute shame.
I played it all of 10 mins and knew it was a no. And I’m a fan boy like as big as they come. But I just had to accept it was a no go. And I don’t mind spending money on a game. But it was just so clear this was different
Spending a few hundred is one thing.. spending thousands to not win is another
I did the same and realised I could just play Diablo 3 and get a much better experience. Big shame this game sucked ass, A diablo 3 like game that expanded on its systems and was playable on mobile would have had me all in for hours
hhahaha you cant say it was so clear that it was different, if you only played 10 minutes. You literally haven't played the game
@@criller7070 unmmm if your to stupid and need more time then cool. Some of us didn’t.
Even if you have to spend 1 dollar to have an advantage over f2p including a cosmetic that makes it harder to spot you in a FPS for example, it should be a no-go. They should seperate f2p and p2p just like OSRS does.
And yes, the amounts are straight up ridiculous and shouldn't be possible within a healthy market.
Raxx is one of the biggest Diablo Champs. It is always very sad when a game loses it's champs. But Diablo Immortal does not deserve Raxx, and probably the same can be said about the upcoming Diablo IV. :(
Doubtful regarding D4. If Immortal is a financial failure due entirely to the MTX, Blizzard execs would be insane to duplicate the same model for D4. A Dev studio can survive one game failing, but not two. Back to back. In the same franchise.
@@grayden4138 I guess Warcrud Refunded doesn't count since it's not a "new" game
@@grayden4138 here's the thing though DI was hugely financially successful it made billions.
Oh awesome I'm actually pretty stoked to see maxrolls take on PoE builds. They're the masters of minmax in diablo so presuming that same standard goes for their guides we're gonna get some pretty sick builds from them every league.
i assume itll take a lil time poe is a totally diff beast then diablo 3 but yea theyll come up with some insane builds for sure
unless you just go for the meta builds anyway which is the norm
@SealTeamPepega Diablo refugee? Mate I've played PoE since legion, long after the D3 refugee wave and long before the immortal one so idk what you're on but it's not helping.
You do realize when they go tap into the PoE community they will straight up just hire actual PoE players for that right? They'll just hire people that played since beta and make them do buildguides for maxroll instead of some forum post or youtube video.
Even if they were to get in there by themselves fresh and start learning PoE and then make buildguides, they would have a fresh look on builds that no other creator currently already stuck in their own thought pattern and comforts will have. This is how you progress. Listening to people that may have less total knowledge than you do but a different perspective entirely is one of the greatest ways to improve something.
That is unless we start gatekeeping content creators from trying to enter the scene with this type of negative messaging before even giving them the light of day to try it of course.
POE got the tencent money though.
they're testing out pay to win. Seei g what they can get away with. Also maybe trying to up players thresholds by making it a ludicrous amount money to top off vs a ridiculous amount of money to top off. Always shifting baselines and perspectives. ALWAYS
web development is tough and time consuming, the fact that some people not only want to give info but also make it look good is something that deserves respect.
I was planning on playing the game more or less solo so the pay2win aspect didn't even bother me that much. Still stopped playing 2 weeks ago because there just wasn't enough build diversity and having skill variations locked to gear perks was too limiting and slow.
@@jeshegames yeah, less skills and more hassle to change it. In the end I don’t care as much about the numbers getting bigger as I do playing around with different skills
It is almost undeniable that Blizzard used these people to set up their P2W model. It explains how they knew exactly how and where to squeeze, and how those specific mechanics regarding payment worked perfectly.
It’s insane how scum this company has become. Screw ActiBlizz
I respect his decision, why waste time making guides for a game where winning is not based on skill but instead based on how many times you can swipe your credit card. Like no matter how good of a guide they will make, all it takes is one or two swipes and it overshadows weeks or months of progress in an instant.
13:38 - 14:20
Yeah, it’s quite frustrating when people confuse what things are with how things have to be. Like just because something is a certain way most of the time it doesn’t mean it has to be like that or that it can’t or shouldn’t be changed.
I think the reason why mobile games are frequently pay to win probably has something to do with the fact that for whatever reason people really don’t want to pay any amount of money to download a game, even if its only a dollar. So mobile games either have to get money from ads or in game purchases, and you could argue that the in game purchases could just be cosmetics, but that would require consistent work to make new cosmetics. It’s much easier to build gates, than it is to build interesting things behind the gates.
I think the bait and switch alpha is very damning for Blizzard's relationship with content creators if they pursue this model for their other games. It's one thing to change your game between beta/alpha and beta/release but it's another to fundamentally change the core gameplay in order to give content creators and testers a false impression of the game.
why would they care? they already made their money and sucked a bunch of people's wallets dry. now they can go live the sweet life without having to make anymore games.
@@Paztacos This. 100%. Money tastes delicious, and neither Bobby nor ActiBliz are ever going to stop. Why would they? Why should they? They've created a skinner box simulation on steroids with a thin veneer of gameplay, nostalgia memberberries, and fomo. All they have to do now is sit back and vaccum up free money from minnows, fish, dolphins, whales, krakens, levithans, gambling addicts and kids with access to their parents credit cards. This may not even be ActiBliz and Bobby's final form yet. But it's a clear sign of what's to come with likely D4, etc. When you perfect the recipe you don't just discard it and start from scratch the next time you make it. At most they'll slightly scale back the hyper aggressive monetization strategy, to appear "reasonable" and having "listened to player input", while having drug the overton window violently towards their side. And gamers will say "see, they listened" it's not (as) pay to win anymore! Wow! 900% value! See! ActiBlizz cares!
So the new strat for corps is to make a "fun" version and pre-release it to influencers so they advertise it for them and then add in all the stuff that takes the fun out and makes cash grabs. gotch ya. ya bliz is on the do not buy list now
Thank you, someone finally gets it.
Especially now, after all these recent records of how much of a deplorable shitshow blizzard is to work for. the harrassment charges, the murder of some of our favorite games etc...money is the only language corporations understand therefore people need to stop buying games from activision/blizzard, stop giving them money and stop giving them a reason to keep that troll-looking ass Bobby Contick around. Pirate their shit as this situation, imo, is a very good argument for pirating: A digital protest so to speak.
All is fair in war and blizzards attitude towards their own fans has hit such extreme lows that something needs to happen...and that something is the publics responsibility! Boycott blizzard and let Bobby Asstick know how you feel about his troll-looking ass. And perhaps, if we succeed with blizzard, I am certain other corporations will take notice and that would be a good start for everyone.
So I tried this game a couple days ago. Ignored all the shitty pay 2 win aspect and started the story. Got to level 50 as a Wizard and logged in last night to realize they literally nerfed the shit out of the Wizard. So I just uninstalled and will move on. Fuck Blizzard and their greed
Well this was a great saga hope we never get one again lol
Diablo Immortal II: Attack of the Kotick
Diablo 4 😈
I hope we get another saga, makes good drama and exposes the schit companies.
I miss the days when most of the game you're rolling with mostly blue equipments, maybe one purple, and getting a second purple or even a gold one feels so awesome.
Now you literally feel like blues are trash, because they are.
Diablo immortal ad b4 video 😆🤣😂 thanks dad,good upload
Stay a while and listen...
Remember well adventurer...
There are Legends in Sanctuary :
1. Random guy in red at Blizcon, he was the grandmaster of foreshadow.
2. Someone who finished Diablo 3's 150 Grs with all character in 1 season. even bul katos will bow before him, he was the grandmaster of dedication.
"sometimes you get it, sometimes you get got"
stealing that
When he says that gambling can ruin lives - the worst part is that even if you 'win' (say, spend less money than others to get the stuff you want), what do you actually get? Maybe some clout from certain communities?
Gambling with a casino or a bookie can also ruin lives, but at least in that case there's a slim chance you'll buck the odds and actually come out ahead.
This game is so immoral.
It caused a man to question his morality from making a guide to a video game.
Holy shit man..... That's terrible.
Also let's not forget most these mobile games don't even support their UA-camrs. They make all kinds of rules to censor your videos. I had 1 game tell me that I wasn't able to put like and subscribe in my video description. One of their discord mods actually told me I wasn't allowed to advertise my video guides.
Just a suggestion for anybody who plays Diablo even remotely a little bit - or is interested in doing so / enjoys watching it.
Go watch some of Raxx’s videos and guides. He is a super good content creator, explain things so clearly and really takes his time. Big fan of Raxx and I encourage anyone to give him a try and show some support. He puts a lot of effort into his videos.
I just got into D3 properly (think I completed it years ago but wasn't looking at guides)
I used Raxx' videos to get good.
I play on switch, but I'm top 500 in hardcore seasonal, pretty proud
Blizzard doesn't care about making gamers happy. They want to make as much money as possible and that's the bottom line.
Raxx is a real f&%^in G for doing this. Good for them. Don't need to give diablo any free exposure for their shitty unethical practices
the thing here is, most of us that have played games forever, I am 34 and have played blizz games since warcraft 2. Diablo 2 was my favorite childhood game right behind Half Life. Using my 30 years of "infinite knowledge" I never once had ANY hope for diablo immortal. Call it what you will, the stuff we loved are now IPs stuck in "Publisher Hell". Its a process but I dont care what blizzard does and follow indie developers.
"We knew all along the game would be Pay-to-Win, and leading a cherished franchise into the mobile market would certainly bring challenges for both the Developers and Community. Despite these concerns, we planned to prevail and make the most of what we thought was a good core game with plenty of potential..."
They thought it was just gonna blow over, shills...
This is some sad stuff, man. People already had low expectations for Diablo Immortal and already expected the worse from it, but to be EVEN WORSE than what was already expected.
you should do a reaction to Wudijo's Diablo Immortal journey. It was hell of a journey, hats off to that man.
I could make a guide for this game in 2 seconds, here goes:
Drop 100k on your character, win.
Good to see them take a stand!
Pay to win is killing totally the idea off playing a game. Never do that. Never start a game which do not respect your time.
im confused. what's happening? i thought diablo immoral was made by blizzard
Licensed from blizzard, made by Netease the mobile microtransaction company. Expected this to happen when blizzard was sold
@@gamerxplanetx8637 oh ok. So the team behind diablo imortal dropped it
At this point I just hope Blizzard is forced to shut down DI and never makes a mobile POS game again... But then again its Blizzard so hope is mostly lost
please keep making long vids. it makes my day thanks
Its really common in Norway for stores (not grocery) to have 60day open buy. you can return almost everything for full refund within 60 days.
You'll never guess what adds I get every time I watch Asmongold roast Diablo Immortal
If they did a normal Diablo game that was playable multiplayer... then just monetised a part of it for skins or design armour / weapons, they would have made much more money
Considering the fact that they just got banned from China for at least a few years, you might be right
“Victim andy”
Please tell me this isn’t an established expression.
I've never heard it, but it does fit most people on the internet these days.
welcome to twitch culture!
Matthew Sweeney guy above you is a Twitch Andy then I guess
Thankfully Blizz got them as a benchmark without much thought. Their team probably played for 10+ hours a day. Then Blizz saw that they cannot let this happen and the p2w and f2p gap is so enormous. That it’s like going to a shooting competition and they gave the f2p a rope and tied his hands behind the back; and they gave p2w automatic gun with aimbot.
Y'know, if you think about it, the word upsidedown is genuinely just caveman speak.
Lmfao. It gets more neanderthal the more i read.
Max roll is LEGIT and the go to place for the games they represent. 100% Grade A advice from hardcore gamers with 1000's of hours of gaming experience in the game guides they are representing. This isnt a "top 10 OP!!!! builds for XYZ game site"
26:00 if you can miss a " family obligation" then it wasn't a obligation.
I didn't play much Diablo immortal but one of my big gripes with it is the fan service. I met a ton of characters from Diablo 2 in my short playtime and it felt weird and disappointing to see them in this gatcha game. Charsi, Akara, Kashya, heck even Flavie is in there. I would have been happy to meet them in Diablo 4. But in DI it felt like such a waste
Asmongold - I don’t enjoy Diablo immortal anymore I’m done
Asmongold - I want to watch diablo immortal videos for weeks longer than me actually playing the game and just complain about the P2W that already killed the game
These are 2 wholly unrelated things? You can enjoy watching greed destroy a company without enjoying the game?
I hope Raxx and the Maxroll team takes this chance to do quick snippet reviews of smaller ARPGs. If the vision is to be the go-to for ARPG guides, i think it will do them good to dip their toes into smaller games they genuinely find fun and interesting.
Love asmons takes on this video. He is spot on and it’s very refreshing for me personally but good for him as well. Spread the good vibes
What Blizzard could do is provide a url endpoint to all the changes to spells, items, etc and then when you are writing your guides every time you mention an item or a spell that gets saved. That way the system knows where you mentioned that spell or item or whatever. Then if Blizzard changes a spell, it will show up on that URL endpoint, and you can flag all the locations you mentioned it on your website for review. That's a start at least. Alternatively you could look at the change log and build that endpoint data yourself.
I love these content creators. Talk about how your done with the game and yet always find ways to make more content about it. The game isn’t over and if anything it’s only gonna get bigger. Just cause a few streamers stop playing it’s not gonna have any impact.
Thank u, I have no clue why they are hating on this game so much, it's actually honestly really annoying....like dead ass ion get what's wrong with the game they made because I can buy stuff...thats any mobile game, these dudes will blow money on other stuff but get mad u can in DI it's actually annoying
Since 2005, there hasnt been an mmorpg that makes me feel that rewarding experience of genuinely putting time to the game to get raw progress, an experience that rewards grinding and only grinding while not discouraging his players with p2w tactics, I hope in the future something like a blend of elden ring and a mmorpg pops in, maybe with a monthly suscribtion or buying the game upfront, it seems like the most coherent way of monetization
I am really looking forward to a couple of months from now when this game is completely dead in the water and nobody is playing it anymore and seeing the absolute devastation of all the fuckwits that dropped 10s or 100s of thousands on it. I mean, I feel sorry for guys like this that went into it at the beginning hoping that Blizzard was not going to be complete scumbags, but anyone that is now still giving these sleazy piece of shit company money really just deserves everything thats coming.
Im a designer for a different type of company. But there are similarities. You got this Amazing Idea for a "Product" in general. And everyone is hyped and than the top heads get around it that see $$$ sings everywhere and start picking it apart. Let's use plastic it will be cheaper nobody will notice. I got this amazing idea for customer to pay more... and it goes on and on. And after that you endup with half product that nobody will be satisfied. But the top will make profit because it is Premium product on the surface and if everything fall apart they will claim bonuses and all will be blamed on the design team.
I bet people that designed that game went through it. many many times.
I like you guys! This was the best decision by the most dedicated players. You are my heroes! Dont let them abuse you anymore!
im a website dev and literally it doesnt take a long time as long as you've already written the code for it (its called boilerplate code), im sure asmo thinks it takes a long time because hes making his website on wix and not with a cool framework like react or anguler
I believe Blizzard intentionally ruined Diablo immortal out of spite due to how everyone reacted at its announcement during Blizzcon
"This is how mobile games are" yes and there was a time when slavery was just a thing. We can change that...if we were able to abolish slavery surely we can c hange mobile games
They should create a page for each class with a guide but the page costs 12.99 to unblur and when you do it shows you how to put in your card information in immortal.
Anyone that supports microtransactions, lootboxes, cash shops in any video game are the problem.
Exactly... Asmon sitting there, preaching and acting smart, when he also decided to become part of the problem, such a hypocrite.
8:15 "We were honored to get to test it" who the fuck feels honored beta testing for blizzard? What a shill
One simply has to look at POE to see how to create content for a game, the manner in which they do is the reason I still play. Having played prior to the release of the Atlas the changes I have seen have been amazing, and yeah at times overwhelming. It is huge with one of the most complex character build systems I've ever seen, and it took literal years to get there, YEARS!
Be glad you do not have to do Act 4 dry lake runs on merc until 90+ lol those where the day's.
Totally. I don't play as much as I used to due to the nerfs they did a few leagues back, but it's still a great game and PoE2 is going to be briliant
@@mrtoothless Uhh explain? What do you mean hacks, and saying a game is turd really doesn't stand water in an argument.
I cannot possibly explain how important managing expectations are in all aspects of life. This is a great example of just one of them. You are going to have problems with everything in life if you can't manage expectations properly.
cheers to maxroll for doing the right thing. hopefully others follow.
Well, one thing they have not mentioned is how much it would cost them to test stuff anyway... if it does cost 500k to get the "best gear", how are they even gonna get the gear to test ? It makes no sense for them to pay to get the best gear, knowing full well the next tier will just come out in a couple of months.
Love your videos/content but how much more do we need to hear about Diablo Immortal?! We get it..
The only way to promote change in these greedy businessmen is to twist the knife until they squeal
@@stoybenxi7395 you really think they give a crap about these videos?! People are still spending thousands on this game!
@@atarikid7424 until they squeal
Wow I am actually surprised that they realized that they and other streamers for Immortal are actually part of the problem. Glad they are backing out. Hopefully they get more and more to back out of it and stop paying and spending.
Diablo not so immortal
It’s Immoral not Immortal
Lol
Max respect man. Max respect. All that work and they put in a lot. Theres no way blizzard is splitting servers. The whales need fresh plankton to feed on to feel like gods after sucking at every other game for ever. It would actually be funny watching two teams of whales searching the map for easy kills but they are all equal.
my problem with poe is so complex i cant just sit and play and have a good time with the story, no i have to manage things and if i take a break its a massive catchup and min max changes i have to adapt to
If I was a investment banker I’d reach out to people like Raxx to design a game.
Though again it’s easier to come up with ideas than implement.
Why waste 100h to make a good game when you can make 10 hot garbage in 10 instead and earn more
I feel like making shit games focused on short term gain is actually the meta for a reason. Good games with less MTX make less money unfortunately
I had stopped playing mobile games years ago because I got sick of in game spending. I think the last game I played was Demon hunter or something like that. The only reason I even tried Diablo Immortal was because my friend wanted me to try it with him. I'll tell you right now, that game solidified why I will NEVER play a mobile game ever again. Mobile gaming is a literal dumpster fire.
To be fair people like Rexx are part of the problem.
Not because he streams a game that’s a glorified slot machine with worse odds, but because he just passively ACCEPTS this predatory Pay-to-Win standard as “the nature of mobile gaming”.
That's great and all but how do you change it? A simple matching game, Candy Crush is massive pay to win and tops the profit charts constantly. So thus everyone else does it cause it works. Instead of getting mad at people who "accept" that mobile is pay to win how about you make a change to it.
It's so easy right? Just tell those companies to stop raking in millions to billions of gambling addicts and people who don't care how much they spend. Sure its going to fix the problem right?
At the Blizzcon it was announced - I wonder if the demo we played was this alpha? It was a ton of fun in the short demo, but didn't look anything like it does now.