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My grandmother sadly fell for one of these "diet doctors" in the 1930s. Her firstborn child was sick, so the doctor recommended starvation, putting him on a diet of water and juice. As a (VERY) young mother, she assumed a doctor knew what was best, but hearing her 3-year-old beg for food broke her heart. After a few days, she broke down and gave him something to eat. Not surprising, he ended up with diarrhea. The doctor scolded her, saying she was a bad mother, weak for giving in to childish whining. He tasked the husband (NOT my grandfather) to make sure the child ate nothing. That man was apparently strict, possibly abusive, and my grandmother would have to leave to house to avoid hearing her baby cry for food. Needless to say, my tiny uncle died. To her final days, my grandmother was haunted by the vision of his emaciated body and swore she could still hear his weak pleadings for food. As for her husband, he was kicked in the head by a horse and died. She married my grandfather just before he was sent off to WWII. My grandmother passed on what has become a generational desire to feed any hungry child. From making brown-bag lunches for kids who couldn't afford school lunches, to volunteering for food drives, soup kitchens, and relief work in 3rd world countries, that one horrific moment has spurred on 3 generations of people who want to make sure no child starves. I just keep thinking... how many other mothers out there followed quack advice like this and were haunted for decades with the guilt of following bad "medical" advice?
And today, it is still a generational thing where you don't question the doctor. Played a role in my father's death. And I wrote this doctor afterwords, informing him of this aspect in dealing with folks and the need to be clear and not take silence as them understanding or even having heard you!
When my husband was dying of cancer, the nurse gave me the morphine pump and told me to press it if he looked uncomfortable. He did, so I pressed it and he immediately flatlined. To this day, I blame myself for taking an active, but unknowing, part in his death. I wondered if they had rigged the morphine pump to overdose him. I guess I'll never know, because I was too traumatized at the time to pursue it.
@@melissapinol7279 I hope this helps. A lot of my family are medical professionals (nurses and doctors) and I have asked this them when my grandmother as on her end of live care. Morphine does not work on the heart, but it does help with sleep. Your husband was in pain and removing that pain is all you did with that pump. But the morphine let him slip into a deeper sleep as the pain went away and sadly this could have stopped his heart.h
@@melissapinol7279Oh my goodness I'm sorry that happened. Handing the morphine pump to a visitor sounds incredibly reckless, and I'm sorry you had that thrust upon you. I'm sure your husband would forgive you.
Not gonna lie, his cornbread tangent was a liiiittle longer, but nothing he said past that point was as profound as a simple "I love cornbread" so I cut it lol
You’re absolutely correct Simon. You have to reintroduce food carefully due to re-feeding syndrome. Electrolytes can be all over the place due to the starvation and so need to be replaced before introducing food or it can cause death.
god, that's beyond tragic. imagine being liberated after surviving a concentration camp & immediately dying bc the soldiers gave you a handful of chocolate bars bc none of you had any idea that would happen :(
@@mckymcobvious3043that happened often. Your natural reaction is also to eat because youre starving. But then you vomit all the food up. You also cant drink water too quickly because youll drop your sodium levels way too low and die, that is if you havent had access to frequent water like in concentration camps
@@mckymcobvious3043 There's a really moving scene in the show 'Band of Brothers' in the episode 'Why We Serve' which shows exactly this. The US troops came across a concentration camp and were absolutely appalled - obviously, they'd heard rumours but hadn't realised just how bad it was. Their instinct was of course to start handing out food, until their doctor told them what a bad idea it was and some poor guy who was one of the only German speakers had to explain to these desparate people that they couldn't just eat. It's harrowing viewing
Yeah, Dora was really lucky to have Margret then, things could’ve gone very differently if Margret didn’t slowly sneak a little bit more food at a time to her “””meals”””
I'm just going to say this. Whether she was delusional or not, this woman was a serial killer, plain and simple. She was only smart enough to gaslight them into being her victims willingly as she robbed them blind. She knew full well that her methods weren't working and was just murdering people the slow way.
Hi Simon, I'm someone with Type 2 Diabetes. It's mostly genetic on my mom's side and brought about mostly through kidney disease and genetics more so than, as you so tactfully put it, "being fat". Though diet and exercise can certainly help get it under control, once you've been diagnosed with diabetes, the diagnosis never really goes away. I have managed to get mine under control so I am no longer in the diabetic blood sugar level but I am still considered diabetic. I have what is known as "diet-controlled diabetes." Meaning if I stop taking care of myself I can easily go back into the diabetic blood sugar level. Just thought I'd share some information on what I've learned about having Type 2 Diabetes with you.
Also a type two diabetic. Inherited from my mothers family. My doctor told me at the time that it wasn't my fault. I take insulin and several other medications.
Cheers! There IS I think some research now into T2D "remission" of sorts, but yeah, genetics are a big factor. Both parents had it in their family so on top of PCOS/adenomyosis and neurodivergence I was pretty unlucky 🥲 I've also got my T2D to "controlled levels" and my doc has even floated the idea of tapering my meds a bit if my blood glucose levels hold, but she also said even with things "under control" it's still something I need to be conscious of my whole life, bc I'm just genetically predisposed like that OTL
In very early 2021, I had anemia, an infected gallbladder, and a swallowing disorder. It all hit me in a period of about two weeks. No doctor would see me because the local hospital was crowded from covid. I didn’t know what was going on to begin with. For about three weeks, I struggled to eat a handful of saltines. I went to live with my sister because I was weak. After that, I just stopped eating. I thought I felt “better.” I know I was going crazy at that point. During this time, my sister would take me to the ER and just leave me in the waiting room just to be safe. At the end of the day they would send me home. After losing 50lbs, I collapsed. Finally the hospital took me in and saw that I needed my gallbladder removed. I think I would have killed myself trying to eat if it weren’t for the swallowing disorder. I could only take liquids. I can’t imagine someone voluntarily trying to do what happened to me
@@murrayscott9546 I still struggle with swallowing. After two procedures where my esophagus was stretched, I can eat a few foods slowly now. I had cheese pizza the other day for the first time in over two and a half years. It was practically a religious experience it tasted so good. Soft cheese is still difficult, though.
I read about this in a book called "Starvation Heights". How Hazzard got away with this for as long as she did is appalling especially, since town residents had seen "patients" actually crawling down the hill trying to escape the facility. The best part is the story is the poetic justice that Hazzard died from her own treatment!
Yes, if you are Type II Diabetic you can reverse the condition. It's not 'cured'; you always have to eat healthier, exercise, etc but it can be done. My A1C was over 7.1 when I was diagnosed with Type II Diabetes. A normal A1C is 5.7 or below; lower is better. I just had a check up and my A1C is now 5.8!! Another year continuing on my healthier path and I will no longer need to take the single med I was given for it!!
Good for you. I'm recently diagnosed with type 2, and am also in the process of stabilising my blood sugars. I'm currently hovering at the higher end of the pre diabetic range, so I'm hoping to continue the good work going forward!
@@AlisonBryen good for you!! It's a lot of hard work, but it gets easier (kinda) when you get into the routine of it, it becomes a way of life. Keep going, the feeling I got at the look of surprise on the doctor's face when she read my latest lab work was awesome!!
My wife and I always smile at each other whenever we find out that there is a new Casual Criminalist to watch and listen to. I read a comment where someone requested for you to cover the murder of Emmett Till and I would very much wish the same. His poor courageous mother wanted the world to see what they had done to her baby by having Time Magazine take photos as she received condolences standing beside the open casket of her now completely unrecognizable child as a result of the brutality in which he was killed.
Jen is by far one of the best editors on YT...the bingo card had me in stitches. Id love to see her process on picking the best clips to insert, her comedic timing is impeccable
@Xtianzzyzx my apologies. I've been marathoning through the Casual Criminalist catalog, and I just missed that he named a new editor. You guys definitely add something special to the script and general presentation.
I'm led to believe that historically, carpenter and undertaker were trades that went hand in hand. If you're making stuff out of wood for a living, someone will ask for a coffin sooner or later, may as well wrap the whole lot up into 1 package and dig the hole too 😅
Thanks to Emma for this episode,it was totally different from other casual criminalist episode's. I know a lot of people like the more goury ones but this was a cracking change of pace.
Honestly, this feels like one of the worst killers on the channel. Sure, it wasn't direct violence, but making her victims suffer horribly for that long, clearly never feeling any remorse? Vile.
Yes a retroverted uterus is a real thing. I had one before I had a hysterectomy. Basically your transition zone, where they scrape for the pap smear, is harder to reach. Your period cramps & labor pains will be in your back. The uterus is tilted toward your back. Lol I never knew any different so it was just something I was told I had to tell each new doctor so they didn’t have to repeat the pap smears.
I have a retroverted uterus too! Gosh, I always thought that the reason my cramps were so extremely painful in my back was because of my Endometriosis!
Fwiw, modern osteopaths are trained very similarly to MD s. DOs and MDs are often trained at the same hospitals. I've used several DOs and gotten basically the same treatments as I've gotten from MDs: antibiotics for strep throat, meds for hypertension. The major difference was that the DOs would use physical therapy interventions and massage to treat such things as muscular tension headaches, and a ruptured disc in my lower back. Rest and physical therapy kept me from having to have back surgery! The DO was a surgeon but he didn't insist on surgery as the first line of treatment. That's the big difference, that osteopathy uses natural cures rather than surgery or lots of meds.
In many languages and countries osteopathy is what Americans would call chiropractors. It may also be the case in the UK, not sure. But I'm quite sure he's speaking of chiropractic, since the friend in the story had neck pain.
I can't help but draw parallels between this and the current situation with Jodi Hildebrandt's counseling/life coaching service that's landed her charged with child abuse.
I turn on the twelve hour comp episodes. Just makes it so I don’t feel alone, plus the humor he demonstrates is so relatable to the way my brain works. I love sleeping to TCC. ❤️
I'm gonna post this before watching the video: Much like a lot of the other comments down below and well above my own, I absolutely loved Caitlin's video on this one. I look forward to seeing how Simon and his team tackle this awful story.
Yes, you can die of refeeding, it's a condition called refeeding syndrome. It's somewhat common among anorexia patients and one of the reasons it's extremely important to receive close medical attention in a hospital when you start refeeding.
I remember watching a video about Linda Hazzard by AskAMortician, she focused mostly on the sisters though. I must say, mercury explains SO much about Linda.
See, that's a perfect example of why focusing on victims instead of the perpetrator is a mistake. There's far too much context lost when the perpetrator is pushed aside for the sake of feelings. Sure, these killers are terrible people, but we cannot understand the case without understanding the killer.
@@SkunkApe407Ask a Mortician wasn’t focusing on the case, though, she was focusing specifically on what starvation does to the body. What are you even talking about with “feelings”??
@@samanthaw3845 right. Like there aren't literally millions of other cases of starvation she could have used, if that was the case? She used this case as a way to try and boost her video's numbers, and it blew up spectacularly. There's a reason her videos don't do well. There's a reason her channel is nigh on a wasteland. It's the same reason that the only people jumping to her defense are bored, loveless, stay-at-home housewife types.
@@SkunkApe407Is she your ex or something? Are you recently single? You seem to really hate women. Maybe if you focused a little bit more on your own feelings, you might understand why you are having such a deep irrational need to state your feelings about this woman.
This one was so good for many reasons. First, it was extremely well written, engaging start to finish. It had elements of history along with mystery. When we look at the story through the lens of the other sisters' accounts at first, it creates a sort of suspense. Great episode
It’s why for starved people, many emergency rescue personal will give you a teaspoon of peanut butter. It’s high in calories, nutritious fat, and protein, among other nutrients.
The same is true for most mammals. I've fostered a half dozen emaciated hounds and on average it takes 4 months for them to double their initial rescue weight and be healthy enough to spay/neuter and adopt out
This was a fantastic video, thanks Emma and Simon et al! The psychology of starvation is absolutely insane. When I was a teen, I had anorexia, which started as a dieting thing. After a while of dieting I realised that I was super unhealthy (my period stopped, I was feeling cold and anxious all the time etc). Despite this realisation and me communicating it to all my friends and family, the anorexia developed further for another 2 years! I knew that I needed to eat more, but my mind/body had a huge anxiety reaction to any food placed in front of me. It was weird/awful to feel like you had no control over your own actions. Food and mind have a weird and powerful relationship.
I have taken part in several rounds of elimination diets because of my autoimmune disorder, and one of the common symptoms that crops up a few weeks in is starting to have nightmares/anxiety dreams about accidentally eating one of the allergens. The Whole 30 book even mentions that. Food and the brain really do have a weird relationship, and the more you make something "off limits" the harder it is to break that.
Really cool you covered this. I live just down the road in Olalla, and you can still go to the cemetery where some of her patients were supposedly buried.
Great work by the new editor, Christian! Welcome to the basement! Wonderful episode as always, Emma, and LOVING the new intro by Deniz! Damn, such a good team on this channel!
1:45 - Chapter 1 - A nurse comes a calling 8:55 - Mid roll ads 11:05 - Chapter 2 - Fasting for the cure of disease 17:25 - Chapter 3 - A sickly start 23:55 - Chapter 4 - The british heiresses 36:30 - Chapter 5 - Wilderness heights 41:50 - Chapter 6 - The last will of claire williamson 53:00 - Chapter 7 - Starvation heights 59:10 - Chapter 8 - The price of justice 1:05:40 - Chapter 9 - The quack doctor 1:14:35 - Chapter 10 - The financial starvationist 1:21:20 - Chapter 11 - Dismembered appendices PS: I do have a few request for french serial killers ; Hendri Désiré Landru ,Gilles de Rais, Joseph Vacher, "Les Chauffeurs de la Drôme".
"She's the only licensed fasting doctor in the world" I wonder why she's the ONLY one. Could it be because it's not a real thing? Nah, it has to be because it works, right?
Love fasting, when done sensibly great for weight loss, control and or eliminating insulin resistance, cholesterol control and more. We eat too often and too many empty carbs.
@@franreid8203it depends what you do for a living. If you have a job where you sit at a desk then fasting would possibly be safe. I'm always on my feet and if I skip lunch I get dizzy and weak.
Excited to watch Simon’s breakdown of this case! Thank you Emma, Simon, and Jen for your hard work! Hazzard thinking she was helping these victims when they were clearly ill is heartbreaking…her methods were cruel.
Someone should tell Simon about the Maintenance Phase podcast... also, Caitlin Doughty's coverage of "Lady Doctor Linda" is fantastic, but I'm also glad this crazy orthorexic hack/quack is getting more thorough coverage. Great job, team!
@@JBrodo Same! I'm a mental health counselor who specializes in eating disorders (and a big fan of Maintenance Phase!) and it's wild how our bodies will adjust how it "uses" calories. Bodies don't understand the difference between restriction/dieting and famine, and they want us to survive.
My ex boyfriend's mother was an Army Nurse during WWII and helped to liberate one of the Concentration camps. She was a very tough woman, but she could barely talk about this. She did say that the prisoners were starving, and dispite the best efforts many of them died.
Amazing episode as always! My partner and I love watching these videos and Decoding The Unknown. You have 2 viewers here from Weston Super Mare, definitely had us shocked and laughing when you mentioned the town
As someone with Rheumatoid Arthritis, while the disease would not be deadly, it would be excruciating if untreated. I had RA for just about a year before getting diagnosis at 20. By the end I would have to crawl to the bathroom on my hands and knees in the morning because my feet were in so much pain. I cannot imagine the level of pain if the disease was left to progress without treatment. I get that you'd resort to pretty much anything to relieve that pain.
@@TheJoshestWhite I'm Chris, the new editor for Casual Criminalist :) I've edited the past 4 episodes. Jen is still working on CC, she just needed a break, so I'm stepping in
@@Xtianzzyzx Welcome. Are there any hilarious, vaguely amusing or nonsense things on your cutting room floor of Fact Boy bloopers? That’d get a lot of views from his fan base, and make you favourite too. Just a thought. PEACE ;]
I’ve been to Starvation Heights! I grew up about 10 mins from the Olalla and the Hazzard’s old house. One of my coworkers at my first job actually lived on the property with his parents at the time and had a few of us over for a work get-together. The sanitarium and most of the cabins are gone, but the giant incinerator and what remains of one cabin is still there. My coworker had a collection of items he’d found on the property including from inside the incinerator. Small pieces of old medical equipment like scalpels/saws and forceps, glass bottles with half labels including opium, and ladies’ hairpins. The author of Starvation Heights, Gregg Olsen, recently bought the old bar that basically makes up Olalla (it’s really just a gas station and a boat launch) and opened a small museum!! It includes his collection (as well as some of my old coworker’s) and a 1910 print of her book “Fasting for the cure of disease”. You can also get your very own copy on Amazon for less than $9! Also, 10/10 pronunciation of Wenatchee
Osteopaths in the UK are not fully licensed physicians Simon but in the US they are because they have fully embraced the approach of “we will use any method scientifically proven to help our patients”
My wife is a UK osteopath, and has to know every muscle and bone in the body, and how they attach to each other. You can’t be an osteopath without a degree in osteopathy. You are also required to show an up to date amount of further study on a yearly basis, and be registered with the GOSC, or the General Osteopathic Council, which upholds practices and methods- you can be struck off the register, and no longer be legally able to call yourself an osteopath.
Yeah, this episode is frankly full of bs misinformation, well-meant though it is. Simon is often guilty of the "the popular narratives of science-lovers must surely always be correct and above reproach" category of cognitive bias, treating science like an ideology or a side-of-a-binary-war instead of as a process or method. The "hurr if alternative medicine worked it would be called medicine" types of jokes are sophomoric and reductive af and frankly insulting to the millions of physicians trying to advocate for better integrative medicine. And he makes the same mistake with "chiropractor" too, that is, assuming these terms are magically globally standardized when they actually connote VERY different things in different places. He's in good company, and I suppose it's a better "side" to err on than rejecting science -- but at the end of the day it's still mistaken thinking and leads to mistaken statements. I love everything else about our dear factboi but this crap drives me up a damn wall.
Hello! Greek girl here. First of all, fasting for those who follow the Eastern Orthodox Church does not mean giving up solid food entirely, or eating once a day, but abstaining from all animal produce such as dairy, eggs, meat. You can eat carbohydrates, vegetables, fruit, legumes and plant - based oils, in moderation. Fasting does not equal starvation. Second, stock cubes, apart from a lot of salt, have tons of preservatives, consequently, not a healthy choice . Keep up the good work, and stay healthy. We want to enjoy your entertaining and educational content for many years.
Ask A Mortician did a very good video on Linda Hazard and się went into detail into the connections between her and the funeral home. If anyone really wants to know why they keep getting mentioned, I recommend watching that next
Ask a Mortician is a UA-cam channel. Among the episodes is one that the Mortician traveled to Olalla and accompanied the present owner of Wilderness Heights, the Hazzard property there. It is falling apart but the main building is still partially there. They were able to get up to view the attic room the girls lived(?). She also traveled around Seattle to the various locations that the Williamson sisters and Mrs. Hazzard were known to be. Anyone wanting more information about Dr(?) Harrard and her fasting cure, I highly recommend this channel.
It seems to me she truly believed in her methods, seeing how she died. Also surprising Simon didn't root for the death penalty; starvation is a far worse way to go than a relatively quick knife or gun kill.
There are some people suffering from anorexia who purposefully don't feed or poison family and friends as some sort of sick disgusting power play/showing they "care" to have their family lose weight. I've read comments and posts of parents doing it to their own children, admitting it and sometimes being proud of it. There are also those who overfeed their family and friends so they can maintain being the skinniest person... again to their own kids sometimes. It is a sick a terrible illness and in it's deepest depths, one of the closest things to pure evil. They run on spite and hatred alone. "Doctor" Hazzard is definitely giving me those vibes.
Yeah, I was thinking this. I know Simon's quite often disagrees with the writer but I don't find myself disagreeing with the videos usually, but this one, just seems like a true case of the past was the worst. The lady was just also delusional thinking she was actually helping people! Doesn't seem like she was just flat out murdering, they were all just nuts! If she was in it for the money she could of got more people through quickly... and there must have been some "successes" surly, if everyone just died there then people wouldn't keep going! Right? Dunno, just torn for the first time.
I slept on a porch one summer, and it was great. My cousin had a comfy couch on his porch, and it was quite hot inside. So... I decided to sleep on the porch. It was fantastic. The landlord noticed one day and told me that he once lived there (it was his child hood home) and that, as a youth, he always moved his bed onto the porch in summer, to escape the heat of the house.
This is the 50th episode of TCC I've enjoyed and what excites me about it? Simon's comment about drinking broth reminded me how much I LOVE DOING THE SAME but forgot, for years. I'm already on cup #2 of beef broth, yummm.
Your shows are so well researched and easy to follow. Your humour lightens some of the more sinister cases. I discovered you a few months ago and blitzed your back catalogue. Keep up the good work Simon. A very happy viewer 😊
47:12 Simon, what you're describing here is called refeeding syndrome. It's a very real thing, Dr. Bernard at the channel 'Chubbyemu' has a case study where he explains the biology of what exactly it is and how it happens. The video is called "A Starving Mom Suddenly Ate 40 Cookies. This Is What Happened To Her Heart.", the explanation of refeeding syndrome starts at 2:05.
Best video I've seen by Casual Criminalist yet, please do more like this! Loved the new editors additions and thank you guys for this deep dive into a very I interesting case that I would have never came across most likely!
I have a retroverted uterus!!! Very real condition. I've actually (mistakenly) almost ended up in emergency surgery because of it. I had a mirena flipped upside down and really low on an abdo x-ray which made it took like the mirena had migrated out of my uterus. The ER docs started prepping me for immediate emergency surgery, i insisted they call MY surgeon, who immediately was yelling down the phone to not touch me because my uterus was simply just retroverted 🤣😅 So yes, very very real and can be very painful.
ayeeee i'm early again! What up Emma, Simon & staff, just wanted to let y'all know how much your efforts in writing, presentation & editing are masterclass. thank you for the entertainment & stimulating stories
Owner of a tilted uterus here! Yes, it's a thing. Just means my uterus isn't standing upright like normal, it's slightly tilted back. It can cause some issues during giving birth or inserting an IUD (in my case, LOTS of issues inserting an IUD), but other than that, it's not too big a deal medically.
Osteopaths used to do chiropractic in addition to being GPs, but most of them don't anymore. Back in the day though, one cured my father's chronic pain by managing to reseat several ribs that had been displaced during surgery and not straightened out afterwards.
Yes, I was wondering if anyone would mention that! I have to see an osteopath regularly because I have very lax ligaments so my bones don’t stay where they’re supposed to be and need to be put back
Hey Simon, when ypu are in a sauna you don't just get hot, but while sweating you do actually clean the dirt that is stuck in your pores from which the sweat is being emitted. So in that sense yes, you do clean your body, or rather your skin, but you could also scrub yourself very hard with soap and achieve similar cleanness. Apart from that tho sauna is also relaxing and thus can be good for mental health aswell... And it feels nice... (accorsing to family, imo it's just too hot)
There's also all the stuff that's in the sweat itself. Plus, heat opens the pores so all the stuff clogging them *can* get out, just scrubbing isn't going to do that. A facial cleaning routine I sometimes use is to rub castor oil into my skin then take a hot shower, leaving my face for last to get the combined benefits of the castor oil and steam. Clear skin feels nice.
@@mattiemathis9549 Explains why saunas were considered a hangover cure in my family. Lol. Also saunas are awesome. I usually hate heat but the sauna is such a relaxing experience from the sounds to the steam to chatting with family or just resting in the firelight.
Thanks for the research & writing Emma, the editing Jen, and the delivery Simon! If you don’t mind, what would you guys think of covering the case of Johnny Gosch?
Type 2 diabetes can go away in some cases when there has been major weight loss. My Nana had DM2 for decades, but after her stroke (likely a consequence of her diabetes) she had trouble eating, and lost a lot of weight, and no longer had diabetes, so she didn't have to take medication or insulin. That is an experience from my personal life, but in my professional life, I have encountered patients who underwent bariatric surgery and lost enough weight to no longer be considered diabetic. If they gain the weight back (sometimes even only a fraction of what they weighed before) their diabetes can come back with a vengeance. And yes, retroverted uteruses are a thing it's when instead of going forward so it's "leaning "on the bladder, it "leans" backwards agains the rectum. It's not a super rare thing.
Your cholesterol can also be too low, although it is rare. I have a condition called hypobetalipoproteinemia that means my body cannot process fats well. So my cholesterol levels are extremely low, under 20 for both types. Even eating nearly 3,000 calories a day (I am only 5'6 and 120 pounds), I struggle to even maintain the same weight, let alone gain weight. So cholesterol problems can go both ways, too much or too little.
Fun fact, some of the weird names for places in the US comes from the Native American tribes that used to live in those areas. That is also the origin of most state names too.
Some of my favorites are Head-Smashed-In Buffalo Jump, Too Close for Comfort Site and Camp Disappointment (which is sadly not on Disappointment Island)
When I was looking for funny place names to throw on screen during that bit, most of the "funny names" google came up with were just Native American... which felt kinda racist tbh. But Peepee Creek was funny lol
I am a Type 2 Diabetic and have been able to reduce my a1C to the point where I was off all meds and under the threshold for diabetes (I got down to 5.0 when the threshold for diabetes is 6.4-6.7). It is not, technically, cured but in remission. Sorta like cancer. It is because, as I have, by eating foolishly your a1C can go back back up where it shouldn't be and you go back on meds again. Basically, I have a glucose sensitivity that will not go away. But I can manage it to where it does not impact me.
So excited you covered this story, it is so wild. Suggestion to cover the Bender family murders. I'm reading about them and would love to hear your take. (It's also old-timey which somehow makes those easier to take.)
There's actually a scary amount of research papers on medicine that are proven to be inaccurate after a couple years...Working in healthcare you get used to the "here's this wonderful new drug" and then 5 years later "hold up, it actually causes cancer, whoopsie!" or whatever. So no, I don't think a lot has changed sadly. A quick buck is still valued higher than true scientific research and the well-being of patients.
@@cashkitty3472pretty sure that’s an outlier case (due to needing to get it out fast), but whatevs. Definitely still better than just letting the disease latch onto you without any vaccine
Jap... My mind also jumped to the very very rushed and botched covid vaccines 😂. And no, I'm not an anti-vaxer, I trust the tried and tested vaccines for all the different childhood illnesses. But shit needs to be tested for YEARS before it can be rolled out and pushed on the world wide public
"We had evidence that we were right but now we know we're wrong" is the scientific process at work, I doubt you're even near a medical facility if you don't understand this
This case has always interested and upset me! Might be my favorite episode to date. I personally don't believe in the insanity defense however I think it is very telling that Hazzard ended her own life via fasting. To me that is proof that she really did believe in the snake oil she was selling.
As an aside, one of my husband's ancestors was Captain Hazard Powers, who was a ships-boy during the Revolutionary War and then went on to a fabulous career as a privateer. He was arrested by the French, British and Spanish, and still managed to die in bed in his 90's. His family farm was in Rhode Island, and his grandson had a great story about the time a hurricane hit. Grandda Powers refused to come downstairs, and instead insisted that they secure open all the windows and lash him to the bedpost. All through the storm, they heard him shouting and swearing, and after it died away they found him completely drenched and grinning. He said it was just like some of the storms in the Indian Ocean, and the first time he'd felt alive in a decade. Certified badass.
Do any other Americans have a hard time telling what Simon is saying at the beginning when he’s talking very quickly? Love to the team, this is my favorite true crime show
As a Kiwi, I could not guess what town Simon was talking about, but then he is British. I once spent half an episode of some show, wondering where it was, before it finally clicked that it was in NZ and the British people were butchering the Maori names beyond recognition. For Maori, the pronunciation is kind of similar to Japanese in that it is usually Consonant + vowel, eg Ha, Ka, Ma. If there is a vowel followed by another vowel, it is pronounced separate. The one that seemed to trip Simon up a lot is the Ng + vowel. Nga would be a bit like "na", but with your tongue lying flat and not moving. There is a song used to teach vowel sounds, called "A Ha Ka Ma Na" So Whanganui would be Wah- ngah - new/nuu - e. The Wh is a little bit tricky. It's pronounced as an F, kind of like Ph is in phone. Which, funnily enough, is NOT pronounced as an f in the current spelling of Whanganui, due to different Iwi accents. If Simon ever does need to do a script that has Maori words in it, the Maori dictionary is online, free, and has a verbal pronunciation guide
Consider "The Greensburg Six": It's a tragic case of torture and murder that deserves more attention. The Greensburg Six were a group of criminals who kidnapped, tortured, and killed Jennifer Daugherty, a mentally challenged woman, in 2010. They wrapped her body in Christmas decorations and dumped her in a school parking lot. The case raises questions about the motives, mental states, and backgrounds of the perpetrators, as well as the vulnerability of people with disabilities.
FYI: There are no such benefits or cures from intestinal detox, alkaline water, or a colon cleansing. •Intermittent fasting (with approval from your doctor) has been shown to have benefits for your health. •Detoxing is what your kidneys and liver do. If they didn't, you'd know within a couple of hours because you would be very ill. •Alkaline water doesn't make a difference. The pH of a body lies in a very tight range between 7.35-7.45...ANY minor change from this range has severe implications. Such as coma, seizures and/or possible death. •Colon cleansing is bs. Your colon is self cleansing. Plus colon cleansing changes your microbiome. You may think you’re getting rid of toxins but you’re removing the bacteria that keep you healthy. Just as your skin serves as a barrier on the outside of your body, your colon creates a barrier inside your body. That means bacteria from other areas of the body cannot enter. So, your colon is a contained, efficient, self-cleaning system that routinely clears toxins and waste from your body. The only time you need to clean your colon is to prepare for a colonoscopy and that involves a gastroenterologist. These are all scams to get your money. If you don't believe me, please do your own research. If you do feel benefits from these fads, it's only the placebo effect. Please be careful. Research any products you are interested in before using. For example, coffee enemas have been known to cause death from liver failure to septicemia on the first try.
FYI, in the US, osteopathic docs and medical docs have to get the same medical certifications. They have most of the same training these days. Decades ago, DOs were the "treat the whole body, not just the symptom," while MDs were the "treat the symptom, and that'll cure the condition." These days, they usually do the same whole-body treatment. I understand this is not the case internationally, and DOs aren't usually the ones you want to see in some countries.
If you would like more information on Linda Hazzard and "fasting cures". I highly recommend the book "Starvation Heights" by Gregg Olsen. So well done.
22:17 From what I understand, if you are diabetic, you can't cure it. But if they catch it when you are pre-diabetic, you can reverse it before it gets worse.
Hey! I made the new intro for this channel, which we used as an experiment to see if people like it. I'm looking forward to your feedback! (However, there seems to be something wrong with the frame rate, I'll look into it!)
Oml, OwlKitty was an awesome insert! 😂 I may not agree with all of Simon’s opinions, but I couldn’t help but share in his giddiness as the story went on.
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Yes Simon,a retroverted uterus is commonly known as a tilted uterus. It’s backward. I have one still.
Having one causes bad horrible cramps. Thank heavens it’s over for me.
The cabbage was the best part 😂🤣
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@AskAMortician did an entire telling of Doctor Hazzard.
My grandmother sadly fell for one of these "diet doctors" in the 1930s. Her firstborn child was sick, so the doctor recommended starvation, putting him on a diet of water and juice. As a (VERY) young mother, she assumed a doctor knew what was best, but hearing her 3-year-old beg for food broke her heart. After a few days, she broke down and gave him something to eat. Not surprising, he ended up with diarrhea. The doctor scolded her, saying she was a bad mother, weak for giving in to childish whining. He tasked the husband (NOT my grandfather) to make sure the child ate nothing. That man was apparently strict, possibly abusive, and my grandmother would have to leave to house to avoid hearing her baby cry for food. Needless to say, my tiny uncle died. To her final days, my grandmother was haunted by the vision of his emaciated body and swore she could still hear his weak pleadings for food.
As for her husband, he was kicked in the head by a horse and died. She married my grandfather just before he was sent off to WWII. My grandmother passed on what has become a generational desire to feed any hungry child. From making brown-bag lunches for kids who couldn't afford school lunches, to volunteering for food drives, soup kitchens, and relief work in 3rd world countries, that one horrific moment has spurred on 3 generations of people who want to make sure no child starves.
I just keep thinking... how many other mothers out there followed quack advice like this and were haunted for decades with the guilt of following bad "medical" advice?
God, your poor grandmother. I cannot imagine the agony she went through. I'm sorry for your family's loss.
And today, it is still a generational thing where you don't question the doctor. Played a role in my father's death. And I wrote this doctor afterwords, informing him of this aspect in dealing with folks and the need to be clear and not take silence as them understanding or even having heard you!
When my husband was dying of cancer, the nurse gave me the morphine pump and told me to press it if he looked uncomfortable. He did, so I pressed it and he immediately flatlined. To this day, I blame myself for taking an active, but unknowing, part in his death. I wondered if they had rigged the morphine pump to overdose him. I guess I'll never know, because I was too traumatized at the time to pursue it.
@@melissapinol7279 I hope this helps. A lot of my family are medical professionals (nurses and doctors) and I have asked this them when my grandmother as on her end of live care. Morphine does not work on the heart, but it does help with sleep. Your husband was in pain and removing that pain is all you did with that pump. But the morphine let him slip into a deeper sleep as the pain went away and sadly this could have stopped his heart.h
@@melissapinol7279Oh my goodness I'm sorry that happened. Handing the morphine pump to a visitor sounds incredibly reckless, and I'm sorry you had that thrust upon you. I'm sure your husband would forgive you.
"I love cornbread" is Simon's shortest yet most relatable tangent ever
Not gonna lie, his cornbread tangent was a liiiittle longer, but nothing he said past that point was as profound as a simple "I love cornbread" so I cut it lol
@@XtianzzyzxI wonder how many tangents get cut in these lol
Eat your cornbread! Eddie Murphy, Life 1999.
it felt like the tangent was way longer and got cut short for the right reasons =P @@Xtianzzyzx
And then you got. “Water goes in. Water comes out. Its still drinkable” 😅😂😂
Any other Caitlin Doughty/Ask a Mortician fans out there who came RUNNING when they saw the title because they wanted to hear Simon's take on this?
Yeah I watch her channel
I did! I was like ... hey, I recognize that house! I'm super interested in the CC perspective
Yes! Funny enough last night I finished rewatching that video. So I was excited to hear a different perspective
“Lady Doctor” 🎶✨
YES!! 🙋♀️
You’re absolutely correct Simon. You have to reintroduce food carefully due to re-feeding syndrome. Electrolytes can be all over the place due to the starvation and so need to be replaced before introducing food or it can cause death.
god, that's beyond tragic. imagine being liberated after surviving a concentration camp & immediately dying bc the soldiers gave you a handful of chocolate bars bc none of you had any idea that would happen :(
@@mckymcobvious3043that happened often. Your natural reaction is also to eat because youre starving. But then you vomit all the food up. You also cant drink water too quickly because youll drop your sodium levels way too low and die, that is if you havent had access to frequent water like in concentration camps
@@mckymcobvious3043 There's a really moving scene in the show 'Band of Brothers' in the episode 'Why We Serve' which shows exactly this. The US troops came across a concentration camp and were absolutely appalled - obviously, they'd heard rumours but hadn't realised just how bad it was. Their instinct was of course to start handing out food, until their doctor told them what a bad idea it was and some poor guy who was one of the only German speakers had to explain to these desparate people that they couldn't just eat. It's harrowing viewing
Yes, refeeding syndrome
Yeah, Dora was really lucky to have Margret then, things could’ve gone very differently if Margret didn’t slowly sneak a little bit more food at a time to her “””meals”””
that “they die… ALREADY!? D:>” was so pure and visceral omg
I'm just going to say this. Whether she was delusional or not, this woman was a serial killer, plain and simple.
She was only smart enough to gaslight them into being her victims willingly as she robbed them blind.
She knew full well that her methods weren't working and was just murdering people the slow way.
Hi Simon, I'm someone with Type 2 Diabetes. It's mostly genetic on my mom's side and brought about mostly through kidney disease and genetics more so than, as you so tactfully put it, "being fat". Though diet and exercise can certainly help get it under control, once you've been diagnosed with diabetes, the diagnosis never really goes away. I have managed to get mine under control so I am no longer in the diabetic blood sugar level but I am still considered diabetic. I have what is known as "diet-controlled diabetes." Meaning if I stop taking care of myself I can easily go back into the diabetic blood sugar level. Just thought I'd share some information on what I've learned about having Type 2 Diabetes with you.
This ^ there are a number of generic factors, including Covid now sadly, that can contribute towards it
Also a type two diabetic. Inherited from my mothers family. My doctor told me at the time that it wasn't my fault. I take insulin and several other medications.
Cheers! There IS I think some research now into T2D "remission" of sorts, but yeah, genetics are a big factor. Both parents had it in their family so on top of PCOS/adenomyosis and neurodivergence I was pretty unlucky 🥲 I've also got my T2D to "controlled levels" and my doc has even floated the idea of tapering my meds a bit if my blood glucose levels hold, but she also said even with things "under control" it's still something I need to be conscious of my whole life, bc I'm just genetically predisposed like that OTL
In very early 2021, I had anemia, an infected gallbladder, and a swallowing disorder. It all hit me in a period of about two weeks. No doctor would see me because the local hospital was crowded from covid. I didn’t know what was going on to begin with. For about three weeks, I struggled to eat a handful of saltines. I went to live with my sister because I was weak. After that, I just stopped eating. I thought I felt “better.” I know I was going crazy at that point. During this time, my sister would take me to the ER and just leave me in the waiting room just to be safe. At the end of the day they would send me home. After losing 50lbs, I collapsed. Finally the hospital took me in and saw that I needed my gallbladder removed. I think I would have killed myself trying to eat if it weren’t for the swallowing disorder. I could only take liquids.
I can’t imagine someone voluntarily trying to do what happened to me
I hope you live a long happy life now! I’m so sorry that the busy staff kept ignoring you, that’s very cruel imo 💕💖💕🤗🇦🇺
Holy shit as someone who had her own gallbladder removed because it got infected i feel you on that one.
Hope you welll/ better now.
@@murrayscott9546 I still struggle with swallowing. After two procedures where my esophagus was stretched, I can eat a few foods slowly now. I had cheese pizza the other day for the first time in over two and a half years. It was practically a religious experience it tasted so good. Soft cheese is still difficult, though.
Thank you for sharing. Hope you continue to improve.
I read about this in a book called "Starvation Heights". How Hazzard got away with this for as long as she did is appalling especially, since town residents had seen "patients" actually crawling down the hill trying to escape the facility. The best part is the story is the poetic justice that Hazzard died from her own treatment!
That just means she believed in what she was doing.
Yes, if you are Type II Diabetic you can reverse the condition. It's not 'cured'; you always have to eat healthier, exercise, etc but it can be done. My A1C was over 7.1 when I was diagnosed with Type II Diabetes. A normal A1C is 5.7 or below; lower is better. I just had a check up and my A1C is now 5.8!! Another year continuing on my healthier path and I will no longer need to take the single med I was given for it!!
It doesn’t work for everyone but it is possible for some.
Good for you. I'm recently diagnosed with type 2, and am also in the process of stabilising my blood sugars. I'm currently hovering at the higher end of the pre diabetic range, so I'm hoping to continue the good work going forward!
@@AlisonBryen good for you!! It's a lot of hard work, but it gets easier (kinda) when you get into the routine of it, it becomes a way of life. Keep going, the feeling I got at the look of surprise on the doctor's face when she read my latest lab work was awesome!!
My wife and I always smile at each other whenever we find out that there is a new Casual Criminalist to watch and listen to. I read a comment where someone requested for you to cover the murder of Emmett Till and I would very much wish the same. His poor courageous mother wanted the world to see what they had done to her baby by having Time Magazine take photos as she received condolences standing beside the open casket of her now completely unrecognizable child as a result of the brutality in which he was killed.
Nice to have a common hobby, especially for the channels from Fact boi 🤘
Jen is by far one of the best editors on YT...the bingo card had me in stitches. Id love to see her process on picking the best clips to insert, her comedic timing is impeccable
I think the new editor Chris tackled this one!
@meggomyeggo431 oh damm, well the same applies to him as well, Simon is great at putting the right people in the right place
Wow this is incredibly kind of you to say! thanks so much! (I'm just gonna go change my name to Jen tho lol)
@Xtianzzyzx my apologies. I've been marathoning through the Casual Criminalist catalog, and I just missed that he named a new editor. You guys definitely add something special to the script and general presentation.
I'm led to believe that historically, carpenter and undertaker were trades that went hand in hand. If you're making stuff out of wood for a living, someone will ask for a coffin sooner or later, may as well wrap the whole lot up into 1 package and dig the hole too 😅
Add in some wacky medical fad that may or may not wind up killing someone, and you've just created your own job security.
I'm a carpenter and undertaker but for completely unrelated reasons
@@juhis5936 this comment is a future episode 😂
Multitasking was alot more common in the past just look how many services butchers used to offer
@@danoliver7044please spare us the googling
Thanks to Emma for this episode,it was totally different from other casual criminalist episode's. I know a lot of people like the more goury ones but this was a cracking change of pace.
Honestly, this feels like one of the worst killers on the channel. Sure, it wasn't direct violence, but making her victims suffer horribly for that long, clearly never feeling any remorse? Vile.
Yes a retroverted uterus is a real thing. I had one before I had a hysterectomy. Basically your transition zone, where they scrape for the pap smear, is harder to reach. Your period cramps & labor pains will be in your back. The uterus is tilted toward your back. Lol I never knew any different so it was just something I was told I had to tell each new doctor so they didn’t have to repeat the pap smears.
I have a retroverted uterus too! Gosh, I always thought that the reason my cramps were so extremely painful in my back was because of my Endometriosis!
Same here, pap smears are a nightmare!
@@Amy-and-Ozzy I agree!
Gross
In med school, I seemed to always get retroverted uterus patients, so I can attest to the fact that it's harder to do a pap smear as a trainee.
Fwiw, modern osteopaths are trained very similarly to MD s. DOs and MDs are often trained at the same hospitals. I've used several DOs and gotten basically the same treatments as I've gotten from MDs: antibiotics for strep throat, meds for hypertension. The major difference was that the DOs would use physical therapy interventions and massage to treat such things as muscular tension headaches, and a ruptured disc in my lower back. Rest and physical therapy kept me from having to have back surgery! The DO was a surgeon but he didn't insist on surgery as the first line of treatment. That's the big difference, that osteopathy uses natural cures rather than surgery or lots of meds.
moving things back to where they're supposed to be.
In many languages and countries osteopathy is what Americans would call chiropractors. It may also be the case in the UK, not sure. But I'm quite sure he's speaking of chiropractic, since the friend in the story had neck pain.
osteopaths are quacks, they’d be doctors if they had medical training
I can't help but draw parallels between this and the current situation with Jodi Hildebrandt's counseling/life coaching service that's landed her charged with child abuse.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
Not a connection I made .... BUT YEAH! Geez...
How many other women fall asleep nightly to Simon’s dulcet voice describing the most horrific crimes in history?
🙋🏻♀️
I turn on the twelve hour comp episodes. Just makes it so I don’t feel alone, plus the humor he demonstrates is so relatable to the way my brain works. I love sleeping to TCC. ❤️
So desperate for the loot why didn't she hurl a sixty ton Tiger tank at them whilst glued to the sofa? Tank You!
I'm not a woman but it is pretty entertaining stuff to fall asleep to
Those horrific crimes have helped lighten up my nightmares and bless this channel for it!
I'm gonna post this before watching the video: Much like a lot of the other comments down below and well above my own, I absolutely loved Caitlin's video on this one. I look forward to seeing how Simon and his team tackle this awful story.
Yes, you can die of refeeding, it's a condition called refeeding syndrome. It's somewhat common among anorexia patients and one of the reasons it's extremely important to receive close medical attention in a hospital when you start refeeding.
I remember watching a video about Linda Hazzard by AskAMortician, she focused mostly on the sisters though. I must say, mercury explains SO much about Linda.
Nice profile pic, coming from another Ace ☺️
See, that's a perfect example of why focusing on victims instead of the perpetrator is a mistake. There's far too much context lost when the perpetrator is pushed aside for the sake of feelings. Sure, these killers are terrible people, but we cannot understand the case without understanding the killer.
@@SkunkApe407Ask a Mortician wasn’t focusing on the case, though, she was focusing specifically on what starvation does to the body. What are you even talking about with “feelings”??
@@samanthaw3845 right. Like there aren't literally millions of other cases of starvation she could have used, if that was the case? She used this case as a way to try and boost her video's numbers, and it blew up spectacularly. There's a reason her videos don't do well. There's a reason her channel is nigh on a wasteland. It's the same reason that the only people jumping to her defense are bored, loveless, stay-at-home housewife types.
@@SkunkApe407Is she your ex or something? Are you recently single? You seem to really hate women. Maybe if you focused a little bit more on your own feelings, you might understand why you are having such a deep irrational need to state your feelings about this woman.
This one was so good for many reasons.
First, it was extremely well written, engaging start to finish. It had elements of history along with mystery. When we look at the story through the lens of the other sisters' accounts at first, it creates a sort of suspense.
Great episode
Thank you! 💜
First? And then? I wanted hear all the other reasons you alluded to…
@emmafreylink no problem. I hope to see your scripts in future episodes 😁
47:10 Yes Simon, it's called "Refeeding Syndrome." Also yes, slowly reintroduce food or the body will suffer a lethal whiplash.
It’s why for starved people, many emergency rescue personal will give you a teaspoon of peanut butter. It’s high in calories, nutritious fat, and protein, among other nutrients.
I've looked after 2 people with this, it's so sad.
@@HavianElawhat do they do with allergics?
The same is true for most mammals. I've fostered a half dozen emaciated hounds and on average it takes 4 months for them to double their initial rescue weight and be healthy enough to spay/neuter and adopt out
@HappyBeezerStudios we die, I guess?
This was a fantastic video, thanks Emma and Simon et al!
The psychology of starvation is absolutely insane. When I was a teen, I had anorexia, which started as a dieting thing. After a while of dieting I realised that I was super unhealthy (my period stopped, I was feeling cold and anxious all the time etc). Despite this realisation and me communicating it to all my friends and family, the anorexia developed further for another 2 years! I knew that I needed to eat more, but my mind/body had a huge anxiety reaction to any food placed in front of me. It was weird/awful to feel like you had no control over your own actions. Food and mind have a weird and powerful relationship.
I have taken part in several rounds of elimination diets because of my autoimmune disorder, and one of the common symptoms that crops up a few weeks in is starting to have nightmares/anxiety dreams about accidentally eating one of the allergens. The Whole 30 book even mentions that. Food and the brain really do have a weird relationship, and the more you make something "off limits" the harder it is to break that.
Really cool you covered this. I live just down the road in Olalla, and you can still go to the cemetery where some of her patients were supposedly buried.
Great work by the new editor, Christian! Welcome to the basement! Wonderful episode as always, Emma, and LOVING the new intro by Deniz! Damn, such a good team on this channel!
Is that the opening from Reddit?
@@SEAZNDragon Yep!
@@SEAZNDragon Yes, I posted in on reddit a couple of days ago
@@denizdix sweet! So is the new DTU intro in the works then?
1:45 - Chapter 1 - A nurse comes a calling
8:55 - Mid roll ads
11:05 - Chapter 2 - Fasting for the cure of disease
17:25 - Chapter 3 - A sickly start
23:55 - Chapter 4 - The british heiresses
36:30 - Chapter 5 - Wilderness heights
41:50 - Chapter 6 - The last will of claire williamson
53:00 - Chapter 7 - Starvation heights
59:10 - Chapter 8 - The price of justice
1:05:40 - Chapter 9 - The quack doctor
1:14:35 - Chapter 10 - The financial starvationist
1:21:20 - Chapter 11 - Dismembered appendices
PS: I do have a few request for french serial killers ; Hendri Désiré Landru ,Gilles de Rais, Joseph Vacher, "Les Chauffeurs de la Drôme".
F-in legend
My main take-away from this one is the comfort in knowing Simon shares my feelings on vegetable broth cubes 😂
Not the only one. Oxo are awesome! And I use Vegetta as a sub for salt in risotto and omelettes.
"She's the only licensed fasting doctor in the world"
I wonder why she's the ONLY one. Could it be because it's not a real thing? Nah, it has to be because it works, right?
Yeah generally if its a good idea its worth copying.
Love fasting, when done sensibly great for weight loss, control and or eliminating insulin resistance, cholesterol control and more. We eat too often and too many empty carbs.
@@franreid8203it depends what you do for a living. If you have a job where you sit at a desk then fasting would possibly be safe.
I'm always on my feet and if I skip lunch I get dizzy and weak.
Someone being a carpenter and a mortician made more sense when getting a wood coffin was part of the services offered.
Excited to watch Simon’s breakdown of this case! Thank you Emma, Simon, and Jen for your hard work!
Hazzard thinking she was helping these victims when they were clearly ill is heartbreaking…her methods were cruel.
"Up the bum spray-outs"
I bloody love that. Alot more catchy than Enema. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I liked the ending to this case it seems so poetic that hazard died the same way that so many of her victims had died
Someone should tell Simon about the Maintenance Phase podcast... also, Caitlin Doughty's coverage of "Lady Doctor Linda" is fantastic, but I'm also glad this crazy orthorexic hack/quack is getting more thorough coverage. Great job, team!
Thought the same as soon as he said "calories in, calories out" 😝
@@JBrodo Same! I'm a mental health counselor who specializes in eating disorders (and a big fan of Maintenance Phase!) and it's wild how our bodies will adjust how it "uses" calories. Bodies don't understand the difference between restriction/dieting and famine, and they want us to survive.
This take is the whole reason I came to the comment section! If only eating and weight were as simple an equation Simon reckons it is lol 😅
@@charlatanandthiefit is that simple though
My Grandfather helped liberate Belsen and some of their attempts to feed the prisoners did kill them as they couldn't handle normal food.
My ex boyfriend's mother was an Army Nurse during WWII and helped to liberate one of the Concentration camps. She was a very tough woman, but she could barely talk about this. She did say that the prisoners were starving, and dispite the best efforts many of them died.
This was torture plain and simple. She used her status to commit murder as well as torture individuals and commit insurance fraud. Man sick bastard.
Yes! Thank you Simon and crew.
Amazing episode as always! My partner and I love watching these videos and Decoding The Unknown. You have 2 viewers here from Weston Super Mare, definitely had us shocked and laughing when you mentioned the town
I love Weston Super Mare.
My partner is a expat westonian and just about what her pants when she heard it 😅
As someone with Rheumatoid Arthritis, while the disease would not be deadly, it would be excruciating if untreated.
I had RA for just about a year before getting diagnosis at 20. By the end I would have to crawl to the bathroom on my hands and knees in the morning because my feet were in so much pain. I cannot imagine the level of pain if the disease was left to progress without treatment. I get that you'd resort to pretty much anything to relieve that pain.
OMG I love the Ask a Mortician video on Linda Hazzard and I am SO excited to listen to Simon's take!
This was a wild one! Was great editing a script from a fellow South African, well done Emma :D Really loved this story, I hope you all enjoyed it!
Jen? Is that you?
@@TheJoshestWhite I'm Chris, the new editor for Casual Criminalist :) I've edited the past 4 episodes. Jen is still working on CC, she just needed a break, so I'm stepping in
I'm loving the edit on this one! it feels very punchy, it's got a wonderfully lively bounce to the cuts and zooms. great job dude!
@@Xtianzzyzx Welcome. Are there any hilarious, vaguely amusing or nonsense things on your cutting room floor of Fact Boy bloopers? That’d get a lot of views from his fan base, and make you favourite too. Just a thought. PEACE ;]
@@Xtianzzyzx nice to meet you, great work!
I’ve been to Starvation Heights! I grew up about 10 mins from the Olalla and the Hazzard’s old house. One of my coworkers at my first job actually lived on the property with his parents at the time and had a few of us over for a work get-together. The sanitarium and most of the cabins are gone, but the giant incinerator and what remains of one cabin is still there. My coworker had a collection of items he’d found on the property including from inside the incinerator. Small pieces of old medical equipment like scalpels/saws and forceps, glass bottles with half labels including opium, and ladies’ hairpins.
The author of Starvation Heights, Gregg Olsen, recently bought the old bar that basically makes up Olalla (it’s really just a gas station and a boat launch) and opened a small museum!! It includes his collection (as well as some of my old coworker’s) and a 1910 print of her book “Fasting for the cure of disease”. You can also get your very own copy on Amazon for less than $9!
Also, 10/10 pronunciation of Wenatchee
Osteopaths in the UK are not fully licensed physicians Simon but in the US they are because they have fully embraced the approach of “we will use any method scientifically proven to help our patients”
My wife is a UK osteopath, and has to know every muscle and bone in the body, and how they attach to each other. You can’t be an osteopath without a degree in osteopathy. You are also required to show an up to date amount of further study on a yearly basis, and be registered with the GOSC, or the General Osteopathic Council, which upholds practices and methods- you can be struck off the register, and no longer be legally able to call yourself an osteopath.
Yeah I was going to say that. My grand father was a D.O. And Dr. mike is a D.O.
Yeah, this episode is frankly full of bs misinformation, well-meant though it is. Simon is often guilty of the "the popular narratives of science-lovers must surely always be correct and above reproach" category of cognitive bias, treating science like an ideology or a side-of-a-binary-war instead of as a process or method. The "hurr if alternative medicine worked it would be called medicine" types of jokes are sophomoric and reductive af and frankly insulting to the millions of physicians trying to advocate for better integrative medicine. And he makes the same mistake with "chiropractor" too, that is, assuming these terms are magically globally standardized when they actually connote VERY different things in different places.
He's in good company, and I suppose it's a better "side" to err on than rejecting science -- but at the end of the day it's still mistaken thinking and leads to mistaken statements. I love everything else about our dear factboi but this crap drives me up a damn wall.
Hello! Greek girl here. First of all, fasting for those who follow the Eastern Orthodox Church does not mean giving up solid food entirely, or eating once a day, but abstaining from all animal produce such as dairy, eggs, meat. You can eat carbohydrates, vegetables, fruit, legumes and plant - based oils, in moderation. Fasting does not equal starvation. Second, stock cubes, apart from a lot of salt, have tons of preservatives, consequently, not a healthy choice . Keep up the good work, and stay healthy. We want to enjoy your entertaining and educational content for many years.
I remember requesting this! Excited to see CC’s take on this and the new intro is snazzy as hell
I’m happy to say that I ate Chipotle while listening to a good bit of this. No starvation here…
Ask A Mortician did a very good video on Linda Hazard and się went into detail into the connections between her and the funeral home. If anyone really wants to know why they keep getting mentioned, I recommend watching that next
Ask a Mortician is a UA-cam channel. Among the episodes is one that the Mortician traveled to Olalla and accompanied the present owner of Wilderness Heights, the Hazzard property there. It is falling apart but the main building is still partially there. They were able to get up to view the attic room the girls lived(?). She also traveled around Seattle to the various locations that the Williamson sisters and Mrs. Hazzard were known to be. Anyone wanting more information about Dr(?) Harrard and her fasting cure, I highly recommend this channel.
I knew I'd head this story before.
There’s also an excellent book about it called Starvation Heights. I enjoyed the book and was so excited when Ask a Mortician did an episode about it!
It seems to me she truly believed in her methods, seeing how she died. Also surprising Simon didn't root for the death penalty; starvation is a far worse way to go than a relatively quick knife or gun kill.
There are some people suffering from anorexia who purposefully don't feed or poison family and friends as some sort of sick disgusting power play/showing they "care" to have their family lose weight. I've read comments and posts of parents doing it to their own children, admitting it and sometimes being proud of it. There are also those who overfeed their family and friends so they can maintain being the skinniest person... again to their own kids sometimes. It is a sick a terrible illness and in it's deepest depths, one of the closest things to pure evil. They run on spite and hatred alone. "Doctor" Hazzard is definitely giving me those vibes.
Yeah, I was thinking this.
I know Simon's quite often disagrees with the writer but I don't find myself disagreeing with the videos usually, but this one, just seems like a true case of the past was the worst.
The lady was just also delusional thinking she was actually helping people! Doesn't seem like she was just flat out murdering, they were all just nuts!
If she was in it for the money she could of got more people through quickly... and there must have been some "successes" surly, if everyone just died there then people wouldn't keep going! Right?
Dunno, just torn for the first time.
Oh I'm so happy you did this one. Gregg Olsen's book on this case is so good, I read it about every 2-3 years
I slept on a porch one summer, and it was great. My cousin had a comfy couch on his porch, and it was quite hot inside. So... I decided to sleep on the porch. It was fantastic. The landlord noticed one day and told me that he once lived there (it was his child hood home) and that, as a youth, he always moved his bed onto the porch in summer, to escape the heat of the house.
This is the 50th episode of TCC I've enjoyed and what excites me about it? Simon's comment about drinking broth reminded me how much I LOVE DOING THE SAME but forgot, for years. I'm already on cup #2 of beef broth, yummm.
Another excellent episode of "The Past Was the Worst", am I right Peter?!
When Simon mentions Sarah J Maas and Leigh in the same sentence. I was like so happy as Sarah is one of my favourite authors too!!!!
Thanks for covering this case. I covered it over a year ago and it was scary that this woman was able to get away with this.
She almost certainly got away with it *because* she's a woman. The gentle sex isn't *capable* of murder, after all. (gag)
The Duchess of Hazzard.
They Got Away With Murder idea incoming. let the guy know.
"Water goes in, water comes out! It's stiiiiilllll drinkable!" Has to be one of my favorite Simon moments of all time.
Your shows are so well researched and easy to follow. Your humour lightens some of the more sinister cases. I discovered you a few months ago and blitzed your back catalogue. Keep up the good work Simon.
A very happy viewer 😊
47:12 Simon, what you're describing here is called refeeding syndrome. It's a very real thing, Dr. Bernard at the channel 'Chubbyemu' has a case study where he explains the biology of what exactly it is and how it happens. The video is called "A Starving Mom Suddenly Ate 40 Cookies. This Is What Happened To Her Heart.", the explanation of refeeding syndrome starts at 2:05.
Best video I've seen by Casual Criminalist yet, please do more like this! Loved the new editors additions and thank you guys for this deep dive into a very I interesting case that I would have never came across most likely!
Thank you! 💜
Thanks! I'll keep throwing them memes at the timeline for y'all :P
We need another 12 hour marathon! And a 24 hour marathon as a bonus.
I have a retroverted uterus!!! Very real condition. I've actually (mistakenly) almost ended up in emergency surgery because of it. I had a mirena flipped upside down and really low on an abdo x-ray which made it took like the mirena had migrated out of my uterus. The ER docs started prepping me for immediate emergency surgery, i insisted they call MY surgeon, who immediately was yelling down the phone to not touch me because my uterus was simply just retroverted 🤣😅 So yes, very very real and can be very painful.
Jen’s editing is top tier. The cut to the ad read was phenomenal 😂
It says "Editor: Christian Stroud" in the credits.
Jen do be amazing! But I edited this ep 😂 Thanks for the kind words though
ayeeee i'm early again! What up Emma, Simon & staff, just wanted to let y'all know how much your efforts in writing, presentation & editing are masterclass. thank you for the entertainment & stimulating stories
Owner of a tilted uterus here! Yes, it's a thing. Just means my uterus isn't standing upright like normal, it's slightly tilted back. It can cause some issues during giving birth or inserting an IUD (in my case, LOTS of issues inserting an IUD), but other than that, it's not too big a deal medically.
I watched the ask a mortician about hazzard. It was fascinating. osteopaths are actual doctors here now naturopaths are the woowoo doctorss.
That was the first place I saw this story also. Going to be interesting hearing Simons commentary on this one.
Bantham’s head!!
Osteopaths used to do chiropractic in addition to being GPs, but most of them don't anymore. Back in the day though, one cured my father's chronic pain by managing to reseat several ribs that had been displaced during surgery and not straightened out afterwards.
@@jessicaclakley3691Haydn's head!
Yes, I was wondering if anyone would mention that! I have to see an osteopath regularly because I have very lax ligaments so my bones don’t stay where they’re supposed to be and need to be put back
I just want everyone to take a mindful moment and keep an eye out for Simon’s exquisite mug in this episode of CC
Hey Simon, when ypu are in a sauna you don't just get hot, but while sweating you do actually clean the dirt that is stuck in your pores from which the sweat is being emitted. So in that sense yes, you do clean your body, or rather your skin, but you could also scrub yourself very hard with soap and achieve similar cleanness.
Apart from that tho sauna is also relaxing and thus can be good for mental health aswell... And it feels nice... (accorsing to family, imo it's just too hot)
There's also all the stuff that's in the sweat itself. Plus, heat opens the pores so all the stuff clogging them *can* get out, just scrubbing isn't going to do that.
A facial cleaning routine I sometimes use is to rub castor oil into my skin then take a hot shower, leaving my face for last to get the combined benefits of the castor oil and steam. Clear skin feels nice.
Sweating helps get the stuff alcohol metabolizes into out of your system as well.
@@mattiemathis9549 Explains why saunas were considered a hangover cure in my family. Lol.
Also saunas are awesome. I usually hate heat but the sauna is such a relaxing experience from the sounds to the steam to chatting with family or just resting in the firelight.
"WELL, she cured her diseases, didn't she? WITH DEATH!" 😅
Love Simon's reactions 😂
I heard about this on Caitlin Doughty's channel and it's absolutely awful.
*[Sing-Song Vocal Inflection]* Lady Doctor~
@@josephschultz3301 you in danger, girl
@@morwennaf *DAY-LONG ENEMAS*
Thanks for the research & writing Emma, the editing Jen, and the delivery Simon! If you don’t mind, what would you guys think of covering the case of Johnny Gosch?
Type 2 diabetes can go away in some cases when there has been major weight loss. My Nana had DM2 for decades, but after her stroke (likely a consequence of her diabetes) she had trouble eating, and lost a lot of weight, and no longer had diabetes, so she didn't have to take medication or insulin. That is an experience from my personal life, but in my professional life, I have encountered patients who underwent bariatric surgery and lost enough weight to no longer be considered diabetic. If they gain the weight back (sometimes even only a fraction of what they weighed before) their diabetes can come back with a vengeance.
And yes, retroverted uteruses are a thing it's when instead of going forward so it's "leaning "on the bladder, it "leans" backwards agains the rectum. It's not a super rare thing.
Your cholesterol can also be too low, although it is rare. I have a condition called hypobetalipoproteinemia that means my body cannot process fats well. So my cholesterol levels are extremely low, under 20 for both types. Even eating nearly 3,000 calories a day (I am only 5'6 and 120 pounds), I struggle to even maintain the same weight, let alone gain weight. So cholesterol problems can go both ways, too much or too little.
Fun fact, some of the weird names for places in the US comes from the Native American tribes that used to live in those areas. That is also the origin of most state names too.
As a Wyoming resident, I can confirm.
Some of my favorites are Head-Smashed-In Buffalo Jump, Too Close for Comfort Site and Camp Disappointment (which is sadly not on Disappointment Island)
@@HappyBeezerStudiosmy all time favorite is the town of Truth or Consequences, in New Mexico
@@sarahissersohn5495 as long as you don't end up in Hell. although I've heard they're looking for a new mayor
When I was looking for funny place names to throw on screen during that bit, most of the "funny names" google came up with were just Native American... which felt kinda racist tbh. But Peepee Creek was funny lol
"Out the bum spray out ..... enemas!! that's it!!" LMAO
Seems like visiting Dr Hazzard was hazardous for your health! 😂
I am a Type 2 Diabetic and have been able to reduce my a1C to the point where I was off all meds and under the threshold for diabetes (I got down to 5.0 when the threshold for diabetes is 6.4-6.7). It is not, technically, cured but in remission. Sorta like cancer. It is because, as I have, by eating foolishly your a1C can go back back up where it shouldn't be and you go back on meds again. Basically, I have a glucose sensitivity that will not go away. But I can manage it to where it does not impact me.
Congratulations on getting your A1C down that low!
It's a work in progress,@@kellybraun7048. I let it get back up, but I've got it coming down again. Like cancer (or addiction), it can relapse.
Dr. Hazard also sounds like a supervillain
So excited you covered this story, it is so wild. Suggestion to cover the Bender family murders. I'm reading about them and would love to hear your take. (It's also old-timey which somehow makes those easier to take.)
Hey there fact boy and crew, excellent as always
I live in the Pacific Northwest and this is such a well known story, so I was super excited to hear Simone's take on this.
There's actually a scary amount of research papers on medicine that are proven to be inaccurate after a couple years...Working in healthcare you get used to the "here's this wonderful new drug" and then 5 years later "hold up, it actually causes cancer, whoopsie!" or whatever. So no, I don't think a lot has changed sadly. A quick buck is still valued higher than true scientific research and the well-being of patients.
Ummm covid vaccine cubes to mind
@@cashkitty3472pretty sure that’s an outlier case (due to needing to get it out fast), but whatevs. Definitely still better than just letting the disease latch onto you without any vaccine
Jap... My mind also jumped to the very very rushed and botched covid vaccines 😂. And no, I'm not an anti-vaxer, I trust the tried and tested vaccines for all the different childhood illnesses.
But shit needs to be tested for YEARS before it can be rolled out and pushed on the world wide public
Thalidomide
"We had evidence that we were right but now we know we're wrong" is the scientific process at work, I doubt you're even near a medical facility if you don't understand this
Great episode as always. Good job on the strange Washignton locations pronuciation
Ask A Mortician did a great episode on this. Ties in well with Casual Criminalist.
Also, where can I get the official Casual Criminalist Bingo Cards?
My favorite Jennism is the plodding tuba music whenever someone is doing something stupid lol
This case has always interested and upset me! Might be my favorite episode to date. I personally don't believe in the insanity defense however I think it is very telling that Hazzard ended her own life via fasting. To me that is proof that she really did believe in the snake oil she was selling.
As an aside, one of my husband's ancestors was Captain Hazard Powers, who was a ships-boy during the Revolutionary War and then went on to a fabulous career as a privateer. He was arrested by the French, British and Spanish, and still managed to die in bed in his 90's. His family farm was in Rhode Island, and his grandson had a great story about the time a hurricane hit. Grandda Powers refused to come downstairs, and instead insisted that they secure open all the windows and lash him to the bedpost. All through the storm, they heard him shouting and swearing, and after it died away they found him completely drenched and grinning. He said it was just like some of the storms in the Indian Ocean, and the first time he'd felt alive in a decade. Certified badass.
Do any other Americans have a hard time telling what Simon is saying at the beginning when he’s talking very quickly?
Love to the team, this is my favorite true crime show
Dude, I edit the show, and I'm not entirely sure what he says at the beginning...
For anyone curious, I figured it out. He’s saying “what happens here” but really quickly and really British 😂
I really enjoyed this episode! It’s a case that is obscure enough that I doubt many people have ever heard of it. (I know I hadn’t!)
As a Kiwi, I could not guess what town Simon was talking about, but then he is British. I once spent half an episode of some show, wondering where it was, before it finally clicked that it was in NZ and the British people were butchering the Maori names beyond recognition.
For Maori, the pronunciation is kind of similar to Japanese in that it is usually Consonant + vowel, eg Ha, Ka, Ma. If there is a vowel followed by another vowel, it is pronounced separate. The one that seemed to trip Simon up a lot is the Ng + vowel. Nga would be a bit like "na", but with your tongue lying flat and not moving. There is a song used to teach vowel sounds, called "A Ha Ka Ma Na"
So Whanganui would be Wah- ngah - new/nuu - e.
The Wh is a little bit tricky. It's pronounced as an F, kind of like Ph is in phone. Which, funnily enough, is NOT pronounced as an f in the current spelling of Whanganui, due to different Iwi accents. If Simon ever does need to do a script that has Maori words in it, the Maori dictionary is online, free, and has a verbal pronunciation guide
Consider "The Greensburg Six": It's a tragic case of torture and murder that deserves more attention. The Greensburg Six were a group of criminals who kidnapped, tortured, and killed Jennifer Daugherty, a mentally challenged woman, in 2010. They wrapped her body in Christmas decorations and dumped her in a school parking lot. The case raises questions about the motives, mental states, and backgrounds of the perpetrators, as well as the vulnerability of people with disabilities.
FYI:
There are no such benefits or cures from intestinal detox, alkaline water, or a colon cleansing.
•Intermittent fasting (with approval from your doctor) has been shown to have benefits for your health.
•Detoxing is what your kidneys and liver do. If they didn't, you'd know within a couple of hours because you would be very ill.
•Alkaline water doesn't make a difference. The pH of a body lies in a very tight range between 7.35-7.45...ANY minor change from this range has severe implications. Such as coma, seizures and/or possible death.
•Colon cleansing is bs. Your colon is self cleansing. Plus colon cleansing changes your microbiome. You may think you’re getting rid of toxins but you’re removing the bacteria that keep you healthy. Just as your skin serves as a barrier on the outside of your body, your colon creates a barrier inside your body. That means bacteria from other areas of the body cannot enter. So, your colon is a contained, efficient, self-cleaning system that routinely clears toxins and waste from your body.
The only time you need to clean your colon is to prepare for a colonoscopy and that involves a gastroenterologist.
These are all scams to get your money. If you don't believe me, please do your own research. If you do feel benefits from these fads, it's only the placebo effect.
Please be careful. Research any products you are interested in before using. For example, coffee enemas have been known to cause death from liver failure to septicemia on the first try.
FYI, in the US, osteopathic docs and medical docs have to get the same medical certifications. They have most of the same training these days. Decades ago, DOs were the "treat the whole body, not just the symptom," while MDs were the "treat the symptom, and that'll cure the condition." These days, they usually do the same whole-body treatment. I understand this is not the case internationally, and DOs aren't usually the ones you want to see in some countries.
If you would like more information on Linda Hazzard and "fasting cures". I highly recommend the book "Starvation Heights" by Gregg Olsen. So well done.
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From what I understand, if you are diabetic, you can't cure it. But if they catch it when you are pre-diabetic, you can reverse it before it gets worse.
Hey! I made the new intro for this channel, which we used as an experiment to see if people like it. I'm looking forward to your feedback! (However, there seems to be something wrong with the frame rate, I'll look into it!)
You killed it with the intro dude!
New intro was noticed, and appreciated 👍
Love it!
I love it!!!
This would have been the perfect episode for a magic spoon ad read.
Oml, OwlKitty was an awesome insert! 😂
I may not agree with all of Simon’s opinions, but I couldn’t help but share in his giddiness as the story went on.
May not be listening from Weston Super Mare but I am listening from Carver MN!!! Crazy that she’s from here and I’ve never even heard of her before
"It's still drinkable..."
The most Simon comment ever.