Simon turning into a child and geeking out over how much he'd enjoying it and how it "feels like he's reading a book" made me cackle. I felt the same! Well done, Matthew.
@@MatthewMarcum @Matthew Marcum I enjoy your writing style immensely. You make it very easy to be immersed in the time and in the events. I'm headed over to Warographics right now to lose myself in a war that I am embarrassed to admit I have very little knowledge. However, I will remedy that today. Good luck and thank you for your response.
I'd absolutely love to know how Jen finds all the clips from movies/tv shows she inserts in these. It seems like she has a terribly vast repertoire and incredible memory
I imagine Jen to be a somewhat maniacal film buff, hiding in a darkened room with several screens in front of her. I imagine her in a Dr Claw perspective, where I only see the outline of a hand controlling a mouse. I dunno, for some reason she's kind of a super villain in my head.
Or she has a very good meme search engine and searches relevant words or phrases thus finding awesome and obscure footage. She's still choosing them either way
Whoever Jen is and however she does what she does… she’s absolutely brilliant at the editing lol makes me laugh out loud so many times in every video lol she’s very talented and a keen eye , ear and brain
The reason horse theft was so harshly punished in that era was because leaving someone without transportation could easily mean their death. There's no Uber, no AAA, no Greyhound. If you were stuck somewhere without a way to get somewhere safe, you were probably going to die.
So true. A horse was so much more than just transportation as well, it could mean your livelihood as well. If your horse was attached to your income or was essential for farming, stealing a horse could mean that you and your family starved as well.
Not only this, but horses were EXPENSIVE. A high quality horse that will do the tasks you need (and a work horse was different from a riding horse which was different from a cart horse...). Horses need special feed, thorough foot care, and their bodies are built so weird that their foot in the wrong place means the only solution is to shoot it, because it's not going to walk ever again and keeping it alive when it can't walk is torture for the animal and too expensive to consider. Horses, man. Don't steal them.
5 minutes and I'm wheezing about how sailing isn't particularly uncomplicated. And that yeah ride the raft down build it into wagons drive it I don't know somewhere else back up the river
I’m still pretty new to the channel but I love it. Just would anyone else like a shorter video with strictly just the story? No tangents or personal stories? I know it adds to it but I kinda like a shorter video.
@@ummwhodidnt i think the side tangents and ramblings are what add to it. With this channel, and his many others, alot of the topics have been discussed before. But here, Simon throws his character into the mix.
Simon’s opinions on things are either “absolute Socrates level insight of systemic issues” or “the opinion held by a newborn baby with no understanding of the world”. How does he do that.
Honest answer? Likely ADHD or a related spectrum disorder. Either it pinged enough interest to become a hyperfixation or it simply does not exist. The insight Simon displays towards his own knowledge is only equal to the number of comments to himself that my therapist told me I'm not allowed to tell myself bc it's a moralistic view of my psychochemical disability lmao
@@W34T13Y I'm not supposed to make the same type of comments. When he says "tiny brain" when he makes a mistake I want to hug him. I have some nasty internalized ableism myself and I might mutter the R word to myself when my neurodivergence becomes evident. It's something I'm working on.
Hey, thanks Matthew. It’s always great to hear of historic crimes as well as more modern ones. Perhaps because it helps to evaluate different levels of crime through the ages ? Any way enjoyed it immensely.
Glad to hear it! I love writing about the historical ones. The older crimes always feel so removed because of how different the time period was, but I'm convinced that serial/spree killers have always existed, we just weren't very good at catching them up until the 20th century. The Harpes' spree was well known, but it's crazy to think how many probably flew under the radar throughout the centuries that we will never know about.
@@MatthewMarcum that's true. They are so far removed that it feels more like myths than actual reality. I watch a channel that takes old portraits, bust, and even death masks to make modern pictures of famous people. It's interesting. Can't remember the name at the moment but it has "royal" in the name.
Removing the organs prevents bloating and buildup of gasses that would more easily allow the corpse to resurface and be discovered. Adding rocks is just insurance. They could have achieved the same results by puncturing the organs but it would have required a bit more anatomy knowledge and has more room for error. On the one hand, I expect as farm kids they knew how to gut and dress animals and removing the organs was likely a simple solution for them that they defaulted to. Edit: I swear I just read a lot and I am not a murderer, Simon.
Hey Simon, you might want to look at what happened to the first dude who tried to tell the medical establishment that they needed to wash their hands. Dude was basically forced out of the profession. I think his name was Joseph Lister.
Oh yes, there's actually a very good book about Joseph Lister called The Butchering Art. I highly recommend it if anybody is interested in medical history.
Honestly, these historical crime episodes are really damn interesting in a different way to the modern ones. They feel like time capsules in a way, a look into the horrible crimes of the day and how they were commited, how they were dealt with, all this. It's intriguing! For another one of these, I think an episode on the crimes of Pancho Villa would be hella interesting. Most who aren't Mexican, at least in my experience, see him as this revolutionary hero. But, similarly to Pedro Filho on being a vigilante, he might have played revolutionary, but it was just an excuse to enact his bloodlust. That'd make one hell of an episode.
I've lived in Raleigh, NC for 32 years and have heard quite a lot about The Regulators in different venues. I've also learned a lot about the Revolutionary War in my lifetime. But I've never heard about The Bloody Harpes! Many thanks to Matthew for this one. Also for Simon: the name wasn't Tyron, it was TRYON, like you try on clothes!
I came here to say the same about Tryon, hearing “Tyron” made my brain hurt, I had to double check that my memory was right and that I hadn’t had a stroke and forgot his name🙄
Aw love Raleigh but not the drive there down 40 nowadays🥲 My family home growing up was on the edge of orange and Durham county growing up and I still like to come back. I also like to think myself quite well studied when it comes to history (one of the things I studied in college) but I never knew about their close NC ties either. Even freakier considering our home was built on the few remains of an old 17-18th century farm as well as the remains of an even older native settlement (complete with some pretty insane arrowheads which as u can imagine were quite mind blowing to an 8 YO me digging them up in the backyard)
Matthew is a fine addition to the Blazement! Give that man an extra ration of bread and water!. Looking forward to many more scripts from this fine author.
The information on horse theft law does help me understand why some of my family members are so impressed that a few ancestors were (supposedly) successful horse thieves. It also explains why my family ended up spread all over the southern states I imagine the only way to live as a successful horse thief is to get away from an area quickly.
Seems like a bit of a vicious cycle this horse thievery. "I need to get away from here quickly, ooh, a horse would be useful. Now that I've stolen a horse I need to get away from here quickly, wait, what was I doing again..."
For reference, I'm pretty sure that Micajah is pronounced "Mih-cah-yah". Also, about rivers. Even if there isn't someone shooting at you, those things are deceptively deadly. They can look perfectly still and calm on the surface, and then have currents under the surface that'll rip the legs out from under a full-grown man. And even if you're a good swimmer, it's very hard to fight those and avoid being slammed into rocks that are also almost certainly lurking under the surface. All in all, boats are the way to go, and try not to fall in!
The comment I scrolled for, plus some good advice. Don't swim down a river you've never been in before. Even river guides that go down the same river hundreds of times avoid floating for long, you never know if a new log or Boulder fell in.
I grew up along the west side of the Mississippi River in south Louisiana near Vidalia. The river has a Reddish-brown hue from the red clay. From above it doesn't seem like much but on a boat you can see the currents running under the surface. Even experienced boaters have hell on that river. Gives me the creeps thinking about it.
@@kaitlynnp582 That's also a great point. I hadn't considered it when I put my comment, but 18th century clothing is for sure more of a hindrance then a help.
I would just like to add that native americans were a large and diverse group of people, furthermore we had many different kinds of beliefs and laws. Many of us were ok with the settlers until our treaties were broken. Treaties broken after the revolutionary War were "mute" remember. Because old treaties were made with the British, not the US. Just like all race of peoples...we had disagreements with eachother and everyone else too.
There were definitely crimes on both sides, but I'm ashamed to say that it was my own ancestors who's crimes outweighed your own. I listened to a video of a Native American speaker once, and he pointed out something that really opened my eyes on just how inaccurate the mythology of America I was taught in school was. See we are taught in school that America stands for freedom, and equality for all. They tell us about the declaration of independence says that "All men are created equal." But then goes on just a few paragraphs later to call Native Americans savages. (They accuse Britain of weaponizing native American peoples against them if I remember right) See cause at the time man had a very narrow definition. Only white people could be men. If you weren't white, you weren't a man, and you were not created equal. It's horrific and appalling and I can't believe that document is still held up and put on a pedestal the way it is. Historically important? Definitely. I won't ever be able to look at it as a symbol of freedom ever again however Having that mythology ripped apart for me was probably one of the most harrowing things I've experienced in recent years, but I'm extremely grateful for it.
I think doing a video on Billy Gohl The Ghoul of Greys Harbor would be interesting. I dont know if there is enough information available on him to do a long video but some modern historians dont think he was actually a serial killer and was framed because he was trying to organize a union. It could be cool to see what Simon and the comment section thinks after they get the story.
If it is a work horse, it is like stealing half a factory, kinda. You can't plow a field without it, carry supplies without it, ect. So a ton of your work relies on the horse, and you use it to travel. So getting your horse stolen would really fucking suck.
Yep. These days, generally speaking, even if your car got stolen, you'd still manage to get to work somehow, and be able to continue to earn while an income while you work out the situation. This is more like stealing a tradie's vehicle, that had all (or most) of the tools he needs to do his job inside it. Now he can't travel, or even earn an income. And depending on the time of year, the loss of a horse could result in an inability to plant a crop on time, meaning the consequences can include jeopardising a family's income for a whole year. The past was the worst.
‘Well, hello Matthew!’ Jen and Simon… so glad for this amazingly quirky and very original concept/ content and context! Lol 😝 you are totally ‘con- ing’ us all!! 🤗
I've heard about the Harpe brothers briefly, on something I watched about the river pirates in the cave, but had no clue how bad they really were. All it mentioned was that they had killed one of their babies and drove the captain off the cliff on a horse, before being kicked out of the gang. They definitely deserved all they got,someone from one of their gangs should have taken them out a lot earlier.
Oh, I thought you'd say something about haste to click on the video because you misread the title as "herpes" instead of "Harpes." Cuz that's what I had done lol.
Why is it there always someone that has to damper someone else's enthusiasm! I don't care if he says allegedly I can hear just fine with how he's phrasing the story! Dude go Debbie down someone else for Pete's sake!
@@jacktheaviator4938 BTW fact checkers can stay on Facebook/Twitter and the likes stay off of UA-cam! From the sounds of it you maybe one of those so called fake checkers yourself wouldn't surprise me with such lame brain statement earlier....
@@MrGreyGh0st who needs things like facts, or the truth...let's just believe whatever we are told by some random person that Simon has never bothered to even meet in person. Obviously the comments section is full of people who have absolutely no thoughts of their own. If you people want to just accept whatever you are fed as fact, there isn't much anyone can do for you, enjoy your Kool aid.
Filling the body up with rocks was actually really smart. As a body decomposes it releases gasses, causing it to float while in water. As they removed the intestines and filled it with rock, it would stay sunk. Also, as rocks are plentiful in water, it doesn't leave behind any suspicious material. There's a more modern serial killer who would dispose of his bodies in a lake teaming with cat fish. He would remove the guts, fill it with rocks, and then tie it up with chicken wire, which could easily be thought to be from the nearby farms. The disposal method left behind nothing unusual to the lake and the catfish would eat parts of the decomposing body. This is only, technically, speculation as he told his friends this would be how he would dispose of bodies *if* he killed someone. He was only caught because a victim was able to escape; his kill count can only be estimated as they still were unable to find the bodies.
Simon, you're a treasure. Thanks for your cold read and less gore variety of true crime. On another note, I recently heard vaguely about an incident in 1985 with a skydiving drug runner called Andrew Thornton? I'd be interested to hear your take on the case.
Just seen there's a Dennis Nilsen documentary on Netflix. Avoiding it because this is the only way I can enjoy listening to true crime now. Something I can trust off the bat to be unbiased, informative, and entertaining. Massively appreciate the work you, Jen, and all of the writers do to bring together so many hours of this each week
Mate, you may go on a tangent but the wealth of knowledge that come out when you rant is insightful. The tangent about the "new silk road" is not well know to alot of people.
Flatboat crews usually rode horses or just hiked back upriver to sign on with another boat. A few of the more popular routes at the time now have national parks organized around them, the Nachez Trace being one of the more famous. It was a dangerous job, with pirates on the way down and bandits and wild animals on the way up, so boatmen were pretty tough customers.
Sorry I meant these two brothers I don’t think we’re the first serial killers like I try to type before these guys from the southwest were the true first serial killers
I actually live on land inherited by way of a Revolutionary War pension in East Tennessee. There are several places near my home that are named for victims of the Harpe Brothers. Just about a mile from my home is a small road that crosses a very steep ridge called Dug Ridge Road. There is a ghost story about this ridge where the victim of the Harpe's, named Bradbury, is supposed to wander after dark looking for his head. My grandparents, who were born in the 1880s, told my father (born in 1926) that if he could not make it back across the ridge before dark, he should stay with someone because of this ghost. I was born in 1966 & all of the kids in this area whose families had lived here since the 1800s, knew the story. I read about the Harpes & learned that they had indeed cut Mr. Bradbury's head off. The community is named the Bradbury community. Hardin Valley Road in Knoxville Tennessee is named for the Hardin boy that they killed there.
Wow! Thats very interesting. I did not make the connection with Hardin Valley Road even though I have been through that area many, many times. The Bradbury story is also very interesting. I didn’t get to mention it in the script for the sake of time, but have you ever heard the witch’s story involving the head?
My great granduncle was hung for horse thievery in the 1920s...meanwhile my great grandfather killed the sheriff and only went to prison for a decade! Clearly horses are more important than people, just like dogs.
As a teen, my great uncle was put in charge of feeding the family horse. Instead of putting out only enough food for one meal, or however it is that people usually feed horses, he put out enough feed for a week. The horse ate itself to death, and my great uncle was beaten terribly by my great grandfather. This was during the Great Depression, so my family never did buy another horse. Instead my great grandfather had to pull the cart himself, with all their farm's produce, into either Manhattan or Brooklyn from Staten Island. I mean, obviously there was a ferry involved for part of the journey since there were no bridges in those days and it'd be impossible to swim a cart to another borough, but it's still a way worse commute that I'd want to deal with, so I'd say horses were a pretty big deal before automobiles. Also, I think I remember someone stealing bison from Hampshire College as a part of a dare. I went to Mount Holyoke College, so this might not have actually happened, but I like to imagine that some Hampshire students got totally spifflicated and rode a bison around campus.#grandtheftbovine
Thats really cool. I live literally 15 minutes from the Kings Mountain State Park. Have walked the historic trail and been in the museum a hundred times. Wish they had mentioned this group of weirdos.
95% sure smiting was supposed to be smithing, and omg Mathew I'm so sorry your typo got so much air time XD. This was a fantastic script! Can't wait to hear more!
Hey Simon, those that didn't take the loans... property taxes go up and the government takes it instead! As an Australian, I am very aware that even surviving those two things isn't enough... just ask the Kelly family.
Simon 2022 "it makes sense, you need more laborers" child labor for the win lol. This is an amazing script for a new writer. Good job Mathew. You already seem like a veteran writer. Also, I'm from the city. I didn't realize how much in the country I moved to until I saw horses parked outside a bank. Not a joke. Two horses were lashed to a tree outside a national bank. I feel like I'm living in a community that's stuck in the timeframe of this story.
haha I grew up around a bunch of small towns and Amish. I can easily picture what you are talking about. Horses and buggies lashed to a post outside the local grocery store.
This was great. I had ancestors who lived in North Carolina, Kentucky, and Tennessee during this timeframe and this was so fascinating to learn about. I would love more on this area and timeframe.
The TN River in that part of the state is running through the foothills, gets pretty wide in areas, and has pretty fast current…that’s with all the dams TVA has built over the years. I’d guess it was pretty wild before that.
Simone you need to do a Wargraphics on the battles leading up to the Cowpens. That’s when we rebels under Gen Dan Morgan haded British General Lord Cornwallis his butt sending him to Yorktown & the gaining of our independence. It is quite a great tale in military strategy. I thank you again for doing the Mackinaw Bridge on Megageaphics. It proves you do indeed read the suggestions of your admiring public! How do you manage so many shows??!! Keep it up 👍 your whit, presentation & research is excellent!! Best wishes to you & all your outstanding staff!!
@@letsplaysvonaja1714 lmao at least it somewhat makes sense in serial killer context... unlike herpes. btw, do you think it means "harpies covered in blood" or is it more like "those goddamn harpies!" ? XD
Well done Matthew. I had heard of this bunch before but not in such detail. Odd that their rampage took place not si far from where I live, but I hadn't heard of the Harpes in local lore.
@@MatthewMarcum oh god, he caught you? Oh no! From what I’ve heard, it’s just settle wherever. At least that’s what David tells me from the letters he sends, Simon’s still looking for me! Hasn’t caught me yet!
I live in Montana & we are in the Pacific Northwest. Put Matthew on retainer. I love history & wish that we had today's resources back when I went to school (60s-70s). Back then if you had a book report to do, you raced to the libraries to find the book you're supposed to write about.
Did anyone else laugh in the beginning? I literally snorted when Simon said "Death! Hilaaarious!" 😅 Well done Matthew! Edit: Jen's editing is pure gold, that "Simon" clip near the end had me laughing again. Terrible family, happy for their fantastic end.
Simon turning into a child and geeking out over how much he'd enjoying it and how it "feels like he's reading a book" made me cackle. I felt the same! Well done, Matthew.
I laughed when he said you sicko’s.
Many thanks :)
@@MatthewMarcum Well Done!
Simon has yet to play Hamlet?
@@MatthewMarcum are you the actual Matthew that writes these???
Way to go Matthew! Write more! Write more!
Already on it :) plus a video on The French and Indian War that I authored is up right now on the Warographics channel.
@@MatthewMarcum @Matthew Marcum I enjoy your writing style immensely. You make it very easy to be immersed in the time and in the events. I'm headed over to Warographics right now to lose myself in a war that I am embarrassed to admit I have very little knowledge. However, I will remedy that today. Good luck and thank you for your response.
@@MatthewMarcum You jumped in with pens blazing!!
@@MatthewMarcum great job Matthew. Really loved this story. ❤️
😎Way to go Matthew, please take your place in Simon’s basement with Danny et al!
That script was an absolute banger. Definitely give Mathew more work.
I'd absolutely love to know how Jen finds all the clips from movies/tv shows she inserts in these. It seems like she has a terribly vast repertoire and incredible memory
She might download them from Yarn
I imagine Jen to be a somewhat maniacal film buff, hiding in a darkened room with several screens in front of her. I imagine her in a Dr Claw perspective, where I only see the outline of a hand controlling a mouse. I dunno, for some reason she's kind of a super villain in my head.
Or she has a very good meme search engine and searches relevant words or phrases thus finding awesome and obscure footage. She's still choosing them either way
@@Blake_.Dryden that would mean she coded it herself because I didn't find a good one last time I checked, and I was looking at payed ones too
Whoever Jen is and however she does what she does… she’s absolutely brilliant at the editing lol makes me laugh out loud so many times in every video lol she’s very talented and a keen eye , ear and brain
The reason horse theft was so harshly punished in that era was because leaving someone without transportation could easily mean their death. There's no Uber, no AAA, no Greyhound. If you were stuck somewhere without a way to get somewhere safe, you were probably going to die.
And the horse was often, well, the horsepower for any heavy equipment used for farming, etc
So true. A horse was so much more than just transportation as well, it could mean your livelihood as well. If your horse was attached to your income or was essential for farming, stealing a horse could mean that you and your family starved as well.
You can still be hung for it in Arizona
Came down here to write this but y’all did a good job of explaining already ☺️👍
Not only this, but horses were EXPENSIVE. A high quality horse that will do the tasks you need (and a work horse was different from a riding horse which was different from a cart horse...). Horses need special feed, thorough foot care, and their bodies are built so weird that their foot in the wrong place means the only solution is to shoot it, because it's not going to walk ever again and keeping it alive when it can't walk is torture for the animal and too expensive to consider.
Horses, man. Don't steal them.
Matthew must be a big fan of this show bc the style of writing is perfect for this channel. Great job 👍
I’ve been watching since day one. :)
Seriously. Fits in perfectly with the other great writers
@@misledprops Thank you!
23 seconds into the story before Simon's 1st tangent. I'm impressed.
Only because he took the time to mention a new writer lol
5 minutes and I'm wheezing about how sailing isn't particularly uncomplicated. And that yeah ride the raft down build it into wagons drive it I don't know somewhere else back up the river
I’m still pretty new to the channel but I love it. Just would anyone else like a shorter video with strictly just the story? No tangents or personal stories? I know it adds to it but I kinda like a shorter video.
@@ummwhodidnt maybe he'll have another channel where the editor does that
@@ummwhodidnt i think the side tangents and ramblings are what add to it. With this channel, and his many others, alot of the topics have been discussed before. But here, Simon throws his character into the mix.
Simon’s opinions on things are either “absolute Socrates level insight of systemic issues” or “the opinion held by a newborn baby with no understanding of the world”. How does he do that.
That's why we love him, lol.
Honest answer? Likely ADHD or a related spectrum disorder. Either it pinged enough interest to become a hyperfixation or it simply does not exist. The insight Simon displays towards his own knowledge is only equal to the number of comments to himself that my therapist told me I'm not allowed to tell myself bc it's a moralistic view of my psychochemical disability lmao
My vote is on cocaine
His accent carries him through.
@@W34T13Y I'm not supposed to make the same type of comments. When he says "tiny brain" when he makes a mistake I want to hug him. I have some nasty internalized ableism myself and I might mutter the R word to myself when my neurodivergence becomes evident. It's something I'm working on.
Hey, thanks Matthew. It’s always great to hear of historic crimes as well as more modern ones. Perhaps because it helps to evaluate different levels of crime through the ages ? Any way enjoyed it immensely.
Glad to hear it! I love writing about the historical ones. The older crimes always feel so removed because of how different the time period was, but I'm convinced that serial/spree killers have always existed, we just weren't very good at catching them up until the 20th century. The Harpes' spree was well known, but it's crazy to think how many probably flew under the radar throughout the centuries that we will never know about.
@@MatthewMarcum that's true. They are so far removed that it feels more like myths than actual reality. I watch a channel that takes old portraits, bust, and even death masks to make modern pictures of famous people. It's interesting. Can't remember the name at the moment but it has "royal" in the name.
Glad you took a chance submitting this Mathew. Very enjoyable. Hope you work on more.
Removing the organs prevents bloating and buildup of gasses that would more easily allow the corpse to resurface and be discovered. Adding rocks is just insurance. They could have achieved the same results by puncturing the organs but it would have required a bit more anatomy knowledge and has more room for error. On the one hand, I expect as farm kids they knew how to gut and dress animals and removing the organs was likely a simple solution for them that they defaulted to.
Edit: I swear I just read a lot and I am not a murderer, Simon.
Don’t talk or write about your crimes.
Simon’s rules
You should follow the advice of your username ;)
Admit to nothing.
I was looking for this comment to verify what I thought they were doing with their body dumping.
Isn't this exactly what a killer would say.....?
Adding to the list...
Hey Simon, you might want to look at what happened to the first dude who tried to tell the medical establishment that they needed to wash their hands. Dude was basically forced out of the profession. I think his name was Joseph Lister.
Simmelwies
Lister DID have the satisfaction of his ideas being accepted by the medical establishment in his lifetime, although it took a long time.
If you think Lister got a raw deal, then you don't even want to know about the life and struggles of Ignaz Semmelweis. :-(
oooooooohhhh.... that would make a good biographics!!!
Oh yes, there's actually a very good book about Joseph Lister called The Butchering Art. I highly recommend it if anybody is interested in medical history.
5 minutes in and I'm already wheezing at Simon's rant about sailing, nothing about it is particularly uncomplicated. Facts bro
Honestly, these historical crime episodes are really damn interesting in a different way to the modern ones. They feel like time capsules in a way, a look into the horrible crimes of the day and how they were commited, how they were dealt with, all this. It's intriguing!
For another one of these, I think an episode on the crimes of Pancho Villa would be hella interesting. Most who aren't Mexican, at least in my experience, see him as this revolutionary hero. But, similarly to Pedro Filho on being a vigilante, he might have played revolutionary, but it was just an excuse to enact his bloodlust. That'd make one hell of an episode.
I've lived in Raleigh, NC for 32 years and have heard quite a lot about The Regulators in different venues. I've also learned a lot about the Revolutionary War in my lifetime. But I've never heard about The Bloody Harpes! Many thanks to Matthew for this one. Also for Simon: the name wasn't Tyron, it was TRYON, like you try on clothes!
I came here to say the same about Tryon, hearing “Tyron” made my brain hurt, I had to double check that my memory was right and that I hadn’t had a stroke and forgot his name🙄
Really? Never heard of the Harpe brothers? There's a Netflix series starring Jason Mamoa
Aw love Raleigh but not the drive there down 40 nowadays🥲 My family home growing up was on the edge of orange and Durham county growing up and I still like to come back. I also like to think myself quite well studied when it comes to history (one of the things I studied in college) but I never knew about their close NC ties either. Even freakier considering our home was built on the few remains of an old 17-18th century farm as well as the remains of an even older native settlement (complete with some pretty insane arrowheads which as u can imagine were quite mind blowing to an 8 YO me digging them up in the backyard)
I heard Jimmy Carter's "The Hornets Nest" recently, so I had heard about some of the details. I don't recall the Harpes being in the story.
You lived in Raleigh, I grew up in Cave-in-Rock, but we always knew about the Harpes but we called them Big and Little Harpe.
10:50 - Chapter 1 - A lonely childhood
30:55 - Chapter 2 - The american revolution
44:50 - Chapter 3 - Among friends
54:05 - Chapter 4 - The spree
1:00:25 - Chapter 5 - Safe at last
1:07:10 - Chapter 6 - The brothers harpe
1:12:00 - Dismembered appendices
Legend from a legend.
I love Simons brutal honesty. Most of us don’t write well enough for him to consider it 😅
Matthew is a fine addition to the Blazement! Give that man an extra ration of bread and water!.
Looking forward to many more scripts from this fine author.
Much appreciated!
The information on horse theft law does help me understand why some of my family members are so impressed that a few ancestors were (supposedly) successful horse thieves. It also explains why my family ended up spread all over the southern states I imagine the only way to live as a successful horse thief is to get away from an area quickly.
Seems like a bit of a vicious cycle this horse thievery. "I need to get away from here quickly, ooh, a horse would be useful. Now that I've stolen a horse I need to get away from here quickly, wait, what was I doing again..."
For reference, I'm pretty sure that Micajah is pronounced "Mih-cah-yah".
Also, about rivers. Even if there isn't someone shooting at you, those things are deceptively deadly. They can look perfectly still and calm on the surface, and then have currents under the surface that'll rip the legs out from under a full-grown man. And even if you're a good swimmer, it's very hard to fight those and avoid being slammed into rocks that are also almost certainly lurking under the surface. All in all, boats are the way to go, and try not to fall in!
Great advice.
The comment I scrolled for, plus some good advice. Don't swim down a river you've never been in before. Even river guides that go down the same river hundreds of times avoid floating for long, you never know if a new log or Boulder fell in.
Especially in heavy wool clothes.
I grew up along the west side of the Mississippi River in south Louisiana near Vidalia. The river has a Reddish-brown hue from the red clay. From above it doesn't seem like much but on a boat you can see the currents running under the surface. Even experienced boaters have hell on that river. Gives me the creeps thinking about it.
@@kaitlynnp582 That's also a great point. I hadn't considered it when I put my comment, but 18th century clothing is for sure more of a hindrance then a help.
This was an excellent episode and I enjoyed Matthew's writing style
I would just like to add that native americans were a large and diverse group of people, furthermore we had many different kinds of beliefs and laws. Many of us were ok with the settlers until our treaties were broken. Treaties broken after the revolutionary War were "mute" remember. Because old treaties were made with the British, not the US.
Just like all race of peoples...we had disagreements with eachother and everyone else too.
Moot not mute. Thanks English, for being a weird bish.
There were definitely crimes on both sides, but I'm ashamed to say that it was my own ancestors who's crimes outweighed your own.
I listened to a video of a Native American speaker once, and he pointed out something that really opened my eyes on just how inaccurate the mythology of America I was taught in school was.
See we are taught in school that America stands for freedom, and equality for all. They tell us about the declaration of independence says that "All men are created equal." But then goes on just a few paragraphs later to call Native Americans savages. (They accuse Britain of weaponizing native American peoples against them if I remember right)
See cause at the time man had a very narrow definition. Only white people could be men. If you weren't white, you weren't a man, and you were not created equal. It's horrific and appalling and I can't believe that document is still held up and put on a pedestal the way it is. Historically important? Definitely. I won't ever be able to look at it as a symbol of freedom ever again however
Having that mythology ripped apart for me was probably one of the most harrowing things I've experienced in recent years, but I'm extremely grateful for it.
Great job, Matthew. Please continue writing for Simon, I can’t wait to hear more!
As always, a very entertaining presentation by Simon and a phenomenal first script by Matthew. Cheers all round 🥂🍻
Many thanks!
Simon I love your channels and your personality that shines through. It makes my dialysis treatments go by soooo much faster! :D
Jen's editing is incredible!
Is this account Jens Nom De Plume.
I think doing a video on Billy Gohl The Ghoul of Greys Harbor would be interesting. I dont know if there is enough information available on him to do a long video but some modern historians dont think he was actually a serial killer and was framed because he was trying to organize a union. It could be cool to see what Simon and the comment section thinks after they get the story.
Hmmm. Interesting.
Now I'm curious
I’ve never heard of him…..but now I must know….my journey begins with a single google search.
Utterly fantastic writing Matthew.
If it is a work horse, it is like stealing half a factory, kinda. You can't plow a field without it, carry supplies without it, ect. So a ton of your work relies on the horse, and you use it to travel. So getting your horse stolen would really fucking suck.
Yep. These days, generally speaking, even if your car got stolen, you'd still manage to get to work somehow, and be able to continue to earn while an income while you work out the situation. This is more like stealing a tradie's vehicle, that had all (or most) of the tools he needs to do his job inside it. Now he can't travel, or even earn an income.
And depending on the time of year, the loss of a horse could result in an inability to plant a crop on time, meaning the consequences can include jeopardising a family's income for a whole year.
The past was the worst.
And if it got stolen from your homestead, you were just stuck out there. It was serious.
Another great talent added to the Whistlerverse, wonderful script Matthew 👍
‘Well, hello Matthew!’
Jen and Simon… so glad for this amazingly quirky and very original concept/ content and context!
Lol 😝 you are totally ‘con- ing’ us all!! 🤗
Not going to lie.. thought I read "The Bloody Herpes".. I was like. "whoah wait what?!?!!??" Lol
I read it as Harpies first. And then I read it as Herpes. God help me, I'm loopy today.
Yep. Ditto
Same
Same and I was really confused as to how Herpes fit into CC lmfao 🤣🤣
Same lol
Ooh! A long one :D
Always pleased to see an episode that's over an hour
I loved this episode l it was quite grim in places, but the story and the outcome and the writing style were great! Thanks!
Really enjoyed Matthew's writing, looking forward to seeing/hearing more
Damned fine writing Matthew! Best script in a long time.
I've heard about the Harpe brothers briefly, on something I watched about the river pirates in the cave, but had no clue how bad they really were. All it mentioned was that they had killed one of their babies and drove the captain off the cliff on a horse, before being kicked out of the gang.
They definitely deserved all they got,someone from one of their gangs should have taken them out a lot earlier.
Very nice script, it was intriguing without being needlessly horrific
Hell yeah! New writer! New episode! Let's go!
This community rocks!!! So much love for a new writer!!!! Go Matt and go fan base!!!!!
I feel the love!
Very well done story written by Matthew
I hope he’ll write more frequently for show.
Thank you Matthew!!!
Excellent episode! A melding of 3 magicians in 3 areas; writing, presentation, & editing. Great teamwork! 👏👏👏
The speed with which I clicked on this video, I knew it was Friday and I've been waiting ALL DAY for the new episode to drop
Right? Lol I love CC. I think it's my favorite of the channels 😶
@@staytuned2L337 It's an addiction. Allegedly.
@@Hillbilly001 just like Simon's cocaine habit. Completely allegedly 🥴😉
Oh, I thought you'd say something about haste to click on the video because you misread the title as "herpes" instead of "Harpes." Cuz that's what I had done lol.
I just had a feeling it's time to check and here we are
Starting my weekend with a bunch of Simon content, I love it
Good Job Matthew! 👍🏻
That was excellent 👏
Jens editing is bloody brilliant! Well done sister!
Absolutely amazing matthew! Great job!! Keep up the writing... Although grim as hell I really enjoyed your work... ✌
how i love the delivery of your sarcasm Simon
Well done to the writer, this was beautifully written. Great story!
Much appreciated!
This is one of the best place to get stories about stuff that actually happened! Thank God I found Simon and this channel! Awesome job as always....
Take everything with a grain of salt. There isn't anyone fact checking. Part of the reason for Simon's frequent use of allegedly
Why is it there always someone that has to damper someone else's enthusiasm! I don't care if he says allegedly I can hear just fine with how he's phrasing the story! Dude go Debbie down someone else for Pete's sake!
@@jacktheaviator4938 BTW fact checkers can stay on Facebook/Twitter and the likes stay off of UA-cam! From the sounds of it you maybe one of those so called fake checkers yourself wouldn't surprise me with such lame brain statement earlier....
Simon has a whole bunch of fantastic channels. He’s the best.
@@MrGreyGh0st who needs things like facts, or the truth...let's just believe whatever we are told by some random person that Simon has never bothered to even meet in person. Obviously the comments section is full of people who have absolutely no thoughts of their own.
If you people want to just accept whatever you are fed as fact, there isn't much anyone can do for you, enjoy your Kool aid.
Loved it, loved the historical detail. 10/10 Matthew :D
One of the best yet! Much obliged
So, Simon's secret code there is "Please write me full scripts and email them to me" got it!
Filling the body up with rocks was actually really smart. As a body decomposes it releases gasses, causing it to float while in water. As they removed the intestines and filled it with rock, it would stay sunk. Also, as rocks are plentiful in water, it doesn't leave behind any suspicious material.
There's a more modern serial killer who would dispose of his bodies in a lake teaming with cat fish. He would remove the guts, fill it with rocks, and then tie it up with chicken wire, which could easily be thought to be from the nearby farms. The disposal method left behind nothing unusual to the lake and the catfish would eat parts of the decomposing body. This is only, technically, speculation as he told his friends this would be how he would dispose of bodies *if* he killed someone. He was only caught because a victim was able to escape; his kill count can only be estimated as they still were unable to find the bodies.
Very well written Matthew! Please write more.. your level of detail would do well over on Warographics. Excellent job Simon and team! 😊👏🏻💯🙌🏻
He wrote the script for the French and Indian War on Warographics :)
The endless content stream feeds me well, thank you 🙏
Simon, you're a treasure. Thanks for your cold read and less gore variety of true crime.
On another note, I recently heard vaguely about an incident in 1985 with a skydiving drug runner called Andrew Thornton? I'd be interested to hear your take on the case.
That was truly horrifying! Thanks Matthew and Simon!
Just seen there's a Dennis Nilsen documentary on Netflix. Avoiding it because this is the only way I can enjoy listening to true crime now. Something I can trust off the bat to be unbiased, informative, and entertaining. Massively appreciate the work you, Jen, and all of the writers do to bring together so many hours of this each week
I really enjoyed this tale. Well written and well read. Love this Chanel.
That was great. Good job Matthew. 👍
I want to hear more scripts from Matthew. That was exceptional 👏
Mate, you may go on a tangent but the wealth of knowledge that come out when you rant is insightful. The tangent about the "new silk road" is not well know to alot of people.
My boy Matthew killed it. One of the best scripts I've heard on the channel
Flatboat crews usually rode horses or just hiked back upriver to sign on with another boat. A few of the more popular routes at the time now have national parks organized around them, the Nachez Trace being one of the more famous. It was a dangerous job, with pirates on the way down and bandits and wild animals on the way up, so boatmen were pretty tough customers.
Excellent story!!!! I totally was hooked on this episode being from North Carolina myself...
Damn...this Matthew knows his shit. Great writing my good sir.
Thank you :)
I don’t think these guys from south west was brothers going around killing everyone and skin them alive and chop them up and many other wild things
Sorry I meant these two brothers I don’t think we’re the first serial killers like I try to type before these guys from the southwest were the true first serial killers
The editing on this video is gold, I died with the ad music on “pro-tip for criminals” 😂
Seeing Simon actually get mad is refreshing.
As always, great delivery Simon. Outstanding script from Matthew, hope to hear more by him. Simon, love the tangents, never stop!!
I actually live on land inherited by way of a Revolutionary War pension in East Tennessee. There are several places near my home that are named for victims of the Harpe Brothers. Just about a mile from my home is a small road that crosses a very steep ridge called Dug Ridge Road. There is a ghost story about this ridge where the victim of the Harpe's, named Bradbury, is supposed to wander after dark looking for his head. My grandparents, who were born in the 1880s, told my father (born in 1926) that if he could not make it back across the ridge before dark, he should stay with someone because of this ghost. I was born in 1966 & all of the kids in this area whose families had lived here since the 1800s, knew the story. I read about the Harpes & learned that they had indeed cut Mr. Bradbury's head off. The community is named the Bradbury community. Hardin Valley Road in Knoxville Tennessee is named for the Hardin boy that they killed there.
Wow! Thats very interesting. I did not make the connection with Hardin Valley Road even though I have been through that area many, many times.
The Bradbury story is also very interesting.
I didn’t get to mention it in the script for the sake of time, but have you ever heard the witch’s story involving the head?
This was excellently written and, given the passage of time and available sources, well researched and comprehensive.
My great granduncle was hung for horse thievery in the 1920s...meanwhile my great grandfather killed the sheriff and only went to prison for a decade! Clearly horses are more important than people, just like dogs.
rule #134253423
dont write down your ancestor's crimes. they probably dont appreciate snitches. /s
He shot the sheriff but did he shoot the deputy?
@@ceallaig1 No, and he swore it was in self defense.
Matthew, I love the way you build atmosphere and suspense!
As a teen, my great uncle was put in charge of feeding the family horse. Instead of putting out only enough food for one meal, or however it is that people usually feed horses, he put out enough feed for a week. The horse ate itself to death, and my great uncle was beaten terribly by my great grandfather. This was during the Great Depression, so my family never did buy another horse. Instead my great grandfather had to pull the cart himself, with all their farm's produce, into either Manhattan or Brooklyn from Staten Island. I mean, obviously there was a ferry involved for part of the journey since there were no bridges in those days and it'd be impossible to swim a cart to another borough, but it's still a way worse commute that I'd want to deal with, so I'd say horses were a pretty big deal before automobiles.
Also, I think I remember someone stealing bison from Hampshire College as a part of a dare. I went to Mount Holyoke College, so this might not have actually happened, but I like to imagine that some Hampshire students got totally spifflicated and rode a bison around campus.#grandtheftbovine
Another drunken dare or prank resulted in the theft of some very expensive koi fish on another college campus. Universities are weird sometimes.
Stealing a bison??? Oh, I want to know the details on that one. 😂🤣🤣
Excellent writing Matthew!
Thats really cool. I live literally 15 minutes from the Kings Mountain State Park. Have walked the historic trail and been in the museum a hundred times. Wish they had mentioned this group of weirdos.
Loved it! Thanks Matthew, hope we get to hear more from you!
95% sure smiting was supposed to be smithing, and omg Mathew I'm so sorry your typo got so much air time XD. This was a fantastic script! Can't wait to hear more!
I’ve watched 90% of all Casual Criminalist videos so far (some several times), but this is top 3 so far no doubt! More Matthew pls!!!
Simon, aside from transportation, horses may have been vital to heavy farming tasks.
Hey Simon, those that didn't take the loans... property taxes go up and the government takes it instead!
As an Australian, I am very aware that even surviving those two things isn't enough... just ask the Kelly family.
This was REALLY good. I love historical cases.
Simon 2022 "it makes sense, you need more laborers" child labor for the win lol. This is an amazing script for a new writer. Good job Mathew. You already seem like a veteran writer. Also, I'm from the city. I didn't realize how much in the country I moved to until I saw horses parked outside a bank. Not a joke. Two horses were lashed to a tree outside a national bank. I feel like I'm living in a community that's stuck in the timeframe of this story.
haha I grew up around a bunch of small towns and Amish. I can easily picture what you are talking about. Horses and buggies lashed to a post outside the local grocery store.
This was great. I had ancestors who lived in North Carolina, Kentucky, and Tennessee during this timeframe and this was so fascinating to learn about. I would love more on this area and timeframe.
The TN River in that part of the state is running through the foothills, gets pretty wide in areas, and has pretty fast current…that’s with all the dams TVA has built over the years. I’d guess it was pretty wild before that.
Simone you need to do a Wargraphics on the battles leading up to the Cowpens. That’s when we rebels under Gen Dan Morgan haded British General Lord Cornwallis his butt sending him to Yorktown & the gaining of our independence. It is quite a great tale in military strategy.
I thank you again for doing the Mackinaw Bridge on Megageaphics. It proves you do indeed read the suggestions of your admiring public! How do you manage so many shows??!! Keep it up 👍 your whit, presentation & research is excellent!! Best wishes to you & all your outstanding staff!!
read the title as "the bloody herpes", was incredibly confused for a good few moments
"the bloody harpies" was my first attempt XD
@@letsplaysvonaja1714 lmao at least it somewhat makes sense in serial killer context... unlike herpes.
btw, do you think it means "harpies covered in blood" or is it more like "those goddamn harpies!" ? XD
I first read it as “harpies”-you know, the mythical creature. 🤷🏽♀️
@@letsplaysvonaja1714 me too!
Well done Matthew. I had heard of this bunch before but not in such detail. Odd that their rampage took place not si far from where I live, but I hadn't heard of the Harpes in local lore.
Welcome Matthew! New writer duo! And we even got the same name! Woohoo! 🎉
Thanks! Its good to finally be in the basement. Does Simon assign us our own corner or is it prison rules?
@@MatthewMarcum oh god, he caught you? Oh no! From what I’ve heard, it’s just settle wherever. At least that’s what David tells me from the letters he sends, Simon’s still looking for me! Hasn’t caught me yet!
good story! Jen - you nailed the clips! hilarious.
I sympathize with the father of young children, Simon, having some real bloodthirst against the child murders.
What a script! Fits the theme perfectly, ez tangents is brilliant, Jen with the memes love um keep that up aha
You know it's a good script when Simon goes on a million tangents
Very well done. Well written and well delivered. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
39 Lashes were laid, as 40 Lashes was considered a Death Sentence.
As someone who hates odd numbers, just give me 38 or 40.
Possibly your best ever episode....
I live in Montana & we are in the Pacific Northwest. Put Matthew on retainer. I love history & wish that we had today's resources back when I went to school (60s-70s). Back then if you had a book report to do, you raced to the libraries to find the book you're supposed to write about.
Excellent script. Really enjoyed the history. Thanks!
Did anyone else laugh in the beginning? I literally snorted when Simon said "Death! Hilaaarious!" 😅 Well done Matthew!
Edit: Jen's editing is pure gold, that "Simon" clip near the end had me laughing again. Terrible family, happy for their fantastic end.
I literally laughed out loud when Simon reads..." boys, our payday has arrived, get ready to pillage!!!
@@yvonaamariaa yesss! 😄