I’ve added three layers of copper tape to a large plastic bag, but my phone is still receiving phone calls. I’ve tried to roll the bag as opposed to using ziploc seal or magnets. Is rolling the bag closed keeping my phone accessible to calls? Do I need to find better magnets to close the bag as opposed to using magnet tape?
First of all I love your you tube site, frakking creations. I also love the video. Very informative. I did not know that RF acts like water. A small defect in the Faraday pouch can allow RF to escape. Other google sites, suggested using Aluminum foil as a Faraday insulator. I tried it. And much to my surprise, Aluminum foil it wrapped out well, works. The test was to bring your car key near the door and tried to open it. Also tried to turn on you car with and without the aluminum package. Thanks again for the video. You should test a similar aluminum bag. Since aluminum is relatively cheaper.
Thanks for the comments. We appreciate that. You are correct that aluminum will work too. Several points to keep in mind is that some aluminum foil comes in different thicknesses and the cheap ones are often too thin and tear easily. There is also aluminum tape but note that a lot of aluminum tape use non-conductive adhesive which will cause adjacent tape not to conduct properly to form a good cage. This happens when you tape layers of aluminum tape together and overlap the tape. Just another point to keep in mind. Please subscribe and share our videos with anyone else you think it will help.
Copper is also denser than aluminum at the same thickness so you may need more layers of aluminum, which could make the cost difference not too different. In some cases a proper cage may not be enough and signals can actually penetrate the cage if the thickness of the material is not thick enough. That's where it will matter what material is used.
Of course you can find cheaper bags online. Oftentimes DIY can cost you more in money and especially a lot of labor. Mass production of things will drive down unit price due to scale. The manufacturers often have deals on items used to manufacture the product that an individual cannot get. Plus they pay less for the labor. When you do something DIY it can cost less if you can find a good deal on the items used to manufacture. But what most people may not realize is they are going to spend their valuable time on it. They are using their time to make the product and that time comes at a cost. How much money is their time worth? For some it may be worth it to make their own because they get to customize it the way they want. They may also get satisfaction in doing it themselves. Whatever is important to the individual is really up to them. If you want to buy it, then buy it. If you want to make it, then make it. The choice is yours. We have the DIY in the video and also links to purchase in the video description. You are free to choose... And free to choose to do nothing too.
Update: my Faraday bag with three layers of copper tape have now blocked cell reception and Bluetooth, but it's still connected to wifi! What do I do to fix this? Do I add more layers? Do I not use magnet tape? I am not only using magent tape but rolling the top of the bag down twice to close.
It may depend on the thickness of your copper tape. If it's thinner then you may need more layers. Usually, if the layers are good enough, it will be any other areas where there is an opening like the top of the bag. The two sides of the bag must maintain conductivity. So the lip on both sides should touch metal to metal to maintain conductivity. Rolling the bag opening could help but I would still say that both sides should maintain conductivity at the top. The way I did it in the video is to have the tap from both sides wrap around the lip at the top. This way when the magnet snaps closed, both sides of the bag touch metal to metal at the top lip and maintain conductivity. Another thing to note is that copper tape, like any other metal object, when bent back and forth over time will break. So if you regularly roll the copper tape, it could form small holes where the metal breaks. Hope this helps.
So you have a link to faraday tape that is pretty expensive for tape but i didnt see you use any faraday tape, i only seen you use the copper tape so im a bit confused. Where did you use the faraday tape?
I provide the copper tape and faraday fabric tape so that viewers can choose what they want to use. Both can block RF radiation and have adhesive that is conductive to work best (unlike aluminum tape which typically has non-conductive adhesive) I don't use faraday tape to make the bag here but I do use it to make the faraday book box in my other video. The copper tape is heavier so it may make sense for some to use the faraday tape instead. It's up to you.
L'aluminium ne fonctionnera probablement pas bien. L'aluminium aime être recouvert d'oxyde d'aluminium, ce qui empêchera la conduction entre les feuilles d'aluminium. Pour avoir un blindage adéquat, chaque couche de métal doit être conductrice électriquement avec les couches adjacentes. L'aluminium est également moins dense que le cuivre, vous aurez donc probablement besoin de plus de couches. Avec l'ouverture, les aimants ne sont pas nécessairement nécessaires, mais les couches d'ouverture des deux côtés doivent se toucher pour que les deux côtés soient conducteurs l'un avec l'autre. Sans cela, les signaux peuvent s'échapper de l'ouverture du sac. J'espère que ça aide.
What would we put in them ? And you would likely have to keep it in the bag until the attack happens, which you would never know when… so taking anything out to use until then is risky.
True. Though typically, wouldn't reading the RFID require the crook to be close to you with the scanner? Plus timing would have to be right for the crook to be next to you or near you and ready to read your RFID items when you do take them out. Faraday bags are not perfect but they do serve some purpose.
idk aboot putting magnets in a bag meant to carry electronics. Might it not be better to double up the bags to go tip to toe like when you're using bin bags for oversized things?
I don't think it will affect too many electronics other than magnetic ones like old audio/data tapes, floppy disks, hard disk drives, etc. Even cell phones nowadays have MagSafe cases that have metal plates on the back that allow the phone to be attached to a charger or holder that uses strong magnets. The case attaches to the holder using magnetism. Is there a specific concern you have with what the magnets will damage? And, it's up to you how you want to create and use your faraday bag. If you want to double up the way you mentioned, that can work too. You will just have to test it to make sure no signals are leaked.
It probably won't work well, if it works at all. The reason is that the aluminum tape usually uses adhesive that is not conductive. As you layer one layer of tape on another it's important that they conduct with each other. This will maintain the RF shielding. Also, the aluminum is less dense than copper so you will likely need more layers.
could you tell me does the copper tape work as well as the faraday tape. The price difference is huge. the copper tape is 1/2 price of the faraday tape. Thanks.
I haven't used the tape in the same way to make a Faraday bag so I won't know if the durability is better or worse when comparing the two. The Faraday tape is made using metal infused threads that supposedly can flex more easily, which could allow it to last longer. In general, for the bag both materials will eventually fail from flexing and use. That's why I came up with the DIY portable Faraday box video. It should last longer but I still have to verify.
Probably a larger ziplock style bag you can get from some dollar stores or camping stores. If you don't mind me asking, how come you are using it for your oxygen machine?
It's possible but not ideal. Aluminum tends to have an oxide layer form on it that is non-conductive. Also the adhesive used is typically not conductive too. When you apply multiple layers of the aluminum tape on top of each other, the layers may not end up being electrically conductive and will not work as well to prevent signal leaks. Copper tape will not oxidize like this and the adhesive used is typically conductive. Best to stay with the copper tape or the shielding tape that I linked to in the video description. Hope that helps.
Don't worry about an oxide layer on the aluminum tape. Just spray some acrylic lacquer on the surface and no layer will form; also you can stick a layer of ducttape on top of the aluminum tape. Aluminum tape works fine and it's cheaper than copper tape.
I’ve added three layers of copper tape to a large plastic bag, but my phone is still receiving phone calls. I’ve tried to roll the bag as opposed to using ziploc seal or magnets. Is rolling the bag closed keeping my phone accessible to calls? Do I need to find better magnets to close the bag as opposed to using magnet tape?
First of all I love your you tube site, frakking creations. I also love the video. Very informative. I did not know that RF acts like water. A small defect in the Faraday pouch can allow RF to escape. Other google sites, suggested using Aluminum foil as a Faraday insulator. I tried it. And much to my surprise, Aluminum foil it wrapped out well, works. The test was to bring your car key near the door and tried to open it. Also tried to turn on you car with and without the aluminum package. Thanks again for the video. You should test a similar aluminum bag. Since aluminum is relatively cheaper.
Thanks for the comments. We appreciate that.
You are correct that aluminum will work too. Several points to keep in mind is that some aluminum foil comes in different thicknesses and the cheap ones are often too thin and tear easily. There is also aluminum tape but note that a lot of aluminum tape use non-conductive adhesive which will cause adjacent tape not to conduct properly to form a good cage. This happens when you tape layers of aluminum tape together and overlap the tape. Just another point to keep in mind.
Please subscribe and share our videos with anyone else you think it will help.
Copper is also denser than aluminum at the same thickness so you may need more layers of aluminum, which could make the cost difference not too different.
In some cases a proper cage may not be enough and signals can actually penetrate the cage if the thickness of the material is not thick enough. That's where it will matter what material is used.
@@FrakkingCreationscould you use an actual piece of copper??
Unfortunately flipper zero doesn't need the key fob to Access ur car. But this is great for credit cards and phones.
How much MORE in both materials and labor will this cost me, rather than just buying a ready made Faraday bag?????
Of course you can find cheaper bags online. Oftentimes DIY can cost you more in money and especially a lot of labor.
Mass production of things will drive down unit price due to scale. The manufacturers often have deals on items used to manufacture the product that an individual cannot get. Plus they pay less for the labor.
When you do something DIY it can cost less if you can find a good deal on the items used to manufacture. But what most people may not realize is they are going to spend their valuable time on it. They are using their time to make the product and that time comes at a cost. How much money is their time worth?
For some it may be worth it to make their own because they get to customize it the way they want. They may also get satisfaction in doing it themselves.
Whatever is important to the individual is really up to them. If you want to buy it, then buy it. If you want to make it, then make it. The choice is yours. We have the DIY in the video and also links to purchase in the video description. You are free to choose... And free to choose to do nothing too.
Link to the Android tester is dead.
Update: my Faraday bag with three layers of copper tape have now blocked cell reception and Bluetooth, but it's still connected to wifi! What do I do to fix this? Do I add more layers? Do I not use magnet tape? I am not only using magent tape but rolling the top of the bag down twice to close.
It may depend on the thickness of your copper tape. If it's thinner then you may need more layers. Usually, if the layers are good enough, it will be any other areas where there is an opening like the top of the bag. The two sides of the bag must maintain conductivity. So the lip on both sides should touch metal to metal to maintain conductivity.
Rolling the bag opening could help but I would still say that both sides should maintain conductivity at the top. The way I did it in the video is to have the tap from both sides wrap around the lip at the top. This way when the magnet snaps closed, both sides of the bag touch metal to metal at the top lip and maintain conductivity.
Another thing to note is that copper tape, like any other metal object, when bent back and forth over time will break. So if you regularly roll the copper tape, it could form small holes where the metal breaks.
Hope this helps.
So you have a link to faraday tape that is pretty expensive for tape but i didnt see you use any faraday tape, i only seen you use the copper tape so im a bit confused. Where did you use the faraday tape?
I provide the copper tape and faraday fabric tape so that viewers can choose what they want to use. Both can block RF radiation and have adhesive that is conductive to work best (unlike aluminum tape which typically has non-conductive adhesive)
I don't use faraday tape to make the bag here but I do use it to make the faraday book box in my other video. The copper tape is heavier so it may make sense for some to use the faraday tape instead.
It's up to you.
@@FrakkingCreations awesome! Thanks for clearing that up.
Love it! So easy!!
Thank you.
Easy? Did you say "Easy"??? 😂😂😂
j'ai essayé avec de l'aluminium adhésif....j'arrive quand même à ouvrir/fermer le véhicule. (juste, je n'ai pas mis d'aimants )
L'aluminium ne fonctionnera probablement pas bien. L'aluminium aime être recouvert d'oxyde d'aluminium, ce qui empêchera la conduction entre les feuilles d'aluminium. Pour avoir un blindage adéquat, chaque couche de métal doit être conductrice électriquement avec les couches adjacentes.
L'aluminium est également moins dense que le cuivre, vous aurez donc probablement besoin de plus de couches.
Avec l'ouverture, les aimants ne sont pas nécessairement nécessaires, mais les couches d'ouverture des deux côtés doivent se toucher pour que les deux côtés soient conducteurs l'un avec l'autre. Sans cela, les signaux peuvent s'échapper de l'ouverture du sac.
J'espère que ça aide.
What would we put in them ? And you would likely have to keep it in the bag until the attack happens, which you would never know when… so taking anything out to use until then is risky.
True. Though typically, wouldn't reading the RFID require the crook to be close to you with the scanner? Plus timing would have to be right for the crook to be next to you or near you and ready to read your RFID items when you do take them out.
Faraday bags are not perfect but they do serve some purpose.
idk aboot putting magnets in a bag meant to carry electronics. Might it not be better to double up the bags to go tip to toe like when you're using bin bags for oversized things?
I don't think it will affect too many electronics other than magnetic ones like old audio/data tapes, floppy disks, hard disk drives, etc.
Even cell phones nowadays have MagSafe cases that have metal plates on the back that allow the phone to be attached to a charger or holder that uses strong magnets. The case attaches to the holder using magnetism.
Is there a specific concern you have with what the magnets will damage?
And, it's up to you how you want to create and use your faraday bag. If you want to double up the way you mentioned, that can work too. You will just have to test it to make sure no signals are leaked.
Would aluminum tape work as well as copper tape
It probably won't work well, if it works at all. The reason is that the aluminum tape usually uses adhesive that is not conductive.
As you layer one layer of tape on another it's important that they conduct with each other. This will maintain the RF shielding.
Also, the aluminum is less dense than copper so you will likely need more layers.
could you tell me does the copper tape work as well as the faraday tape. The price difference is huge. the copper tape is 1/2 price of the faraday tape. Thanks.
I haven't used the tape in the same way to make a Faraday bag so I won't know if the durability is better or worse when comparing the two. The Faraday tape is made using metal infused threads that supposedly can flex more easily, which could allow it to last longer.
In general, for the bag both materials will eventually fail from flexing and use. That's why I came up with the DIY portable Faraday box video. It should last longer but I still have to verify.
What kind of plastic should I use for a bigger device? (Oxygen machine approx 2 feet"X1 foot)
Probably a larger ziplock style bag you can get from some dollar stores or camping stores.
If you don't mind me asking, how come you are using it for your oxygen machine?
Can I use aluminum tape instead of copper tape?
It's possible but not ideal. Aluminum tends to have an oxide layer form on it that is non-conductive. Also the adhesive used is typically not conductive too. When you apply multiple layers of the aluminum tape on top of each other, the layers may not end up being electrically conductive and will not work as well to prevent signal leaks.
Copper tape will not oxidize like this and the adhesive used is typically conductive. Best to stay with the copper tape or the shielding tape that I linked to in the video description.
Hope that helps.
@@FrakkingCreations Great, thank you.
Don't worry about an oxide layer on the aluminum tape. Just spray some acrylic lacquer on the surface and no layer will form; also you can stick a layer of ducttape on top of the aluminum tape. Aluminum tape works fine and it's cheaper than copper tape.