American Reacts Could Britain Reunite Its Empire Today? | What If
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Never heard Britain referred to as the Fatherland? I would have thought that was Germany. Britain is the Motherland 🙂. On another note, if there is a hard border in Ireland, it will be one built by the EU, not the U.K.
relax.... the new census took place last year in UK. The results will show a totally shift of demographics in Northern Ireland. Catholics will be in majority and the reunifications of Ireland will follow in the next years like it happened with West and East Germany in 1990. Scotland will go out as well... this is the realistic scenario, not the CANZUK case...
@@sebastianb5113 totally agree!
@@sebastianb5113 here’s hoping Scotland leaves in my lifetime 🏴
New York City was a Dutch colony called New Amsterdam. The Brits wanted to rename it "York" but there already was a "York" in the new world, now called "Toronto"! Therefore "New "York"!
As somebody who's involved in the CANZUK debate fairly regularly and is fairly politically active when it comes to UK trade links I dispute the idea that it's in some way about "reuniting empire" - it's about tightening (chiefly trade and business) links between countries that see the world similarly, have compatible (see: the same) legal systems (particularly important around things like contract law, as the EU v AstraZeneca case showed us this stuff matters when it comes to international trade even though the court in Belgium effectively laughed in the EU's face over that), similar wealth (per capita), compatible services and industrial sectors (in that they mesh, as opposed to overlapping), speak the same language, are culturally similarISH and have historical trade links. I do think the UK's practically inevitable inclusion in CPTPP renders almost all of that moot however and CANZUK only really works as a backup or an extension to it (and get the US to join CPTPP and now it's a party), and Ardern's behaviour and attitude to Beijing puts the entire thing at risk and makes CAUK much more likely.
His population argument doesn't really stack up as a reason for colonisation. Industrialisation meant cheap labour was a benefit, so the ruling classes had no need to push people out. It was the financial opportunities in the colonies that pulled people to them. Shipping criminals out was not because of overpopulation, it was because not enough people wanted to go to the places they were sent. There were two later exceptions, Ireland became seriously overpopulated , and the famine pushed survivours out, and the Highland clearances were about a policy of changing land use.
That post-Brexit map of the EU is hilarious. It's about 50 years out of date! The vast majority of European countries are part of the EU nowadays...
Re Rudolph's capture.
He spent some time in my hometown, holed up in a local mental hospital Maindiff Court. An institutional still in use today, and less than a mile from my house.
Concur with the comments below, the lack of understanding of national feelings and his history inaccuracies is dumbfounding. The four nations and the US have joint defence pacts. Canada, Australia and New Zealand have stood with the US in every conflict since 1945. The three nations have free trade deals with each other n the us. The UK was excluded because it joined the EEC. Australia n New Zealand have virtually free borders etc except during pandemics; unemployment, health and pension benefits are given to each other's citizens, but the two countries will not merge beyond maybe a trade block and that's not a solid proposition at the current time.
I think we should take America back.... You've had your chance and it's been well and truly buggered up! 😂 😂
Well, you shouldn't throw stones while sitting in a glass house... *coughbrexitcough*
Like to see you try to take it by force. Good luck
@Mcjibbin the reason why the US has sun glasses is memes, countryballs and country humans community give some countries specific looks. Sun glasses for the US tea and top hat for the British etc
The empire strikes back
America with sunglasses is a stereotype, kinda like the UK with the monocle
As good as being in the EU has been in the past, I felt we have become increasingly irrelevant in it, and if what my grandad said about it years ago is anything to go by, people didn't really want to be part of it in the form it took, it was supposed to be an economic union, not a political one. The history of Europe has been extremely turbulent, which is why it took so long for us to become better neighbours... and even that's still shaky.
The CANZUK initiative sounds like a very good idea to me, since we are all united by a common language, and it will offer us all better job and citizenship opportunities, improve our economies, and in the long run, I believe it will help stabilise things, as well as act as a deterrant against the opportunistic Russian Federation and China's Republic.
Ironically, the 'what if' part appeared to be the most well researched, even if describing an incredibly unlikely scenario. The historical part of the video was absolutely deadful, filled with inaccuracies and even some outright falsehoods.
Good video choice to react to 👍
A suggestion for you to react to would be ‘Know your ally, Britain’ , it’s a documentary video made for American troops deployed to England in World War 2
This video is full of vast untruths. 1) The British Empire was based on trade. 2) Canada was granted self government in 1867. 2) Australia became a self governing federation in 1901. 3) New Zealand became self governing in 1907 and the Union of South Africa in 1910. 4) British India was a federation of directly ruled states surrounding the large cities, such as Bombay, Madras, Calcutta and Delhi, and over 500 self governing princely states. The British could not have survived in India for over 200 years without the cooperation of the local India rulers, who didn’t want the British to leave in 1947. CANZUK will happen.
I personally would consider canada Austrailia and Newzealand colonies s they still have the British monarch as there head of state by your standard of independence that would make scotland an independent nation which it isn't
Yet Canada only had it's constitution in the 1980's
@@terryallen2374 If they wanted to become a republic they could do that, but what would they gain other than losing a cultural link and a part of their own heritage...
@@HaiLsKuNkY The crown would have to agree to it as all legislation gets royal assent from the Monarchy.
@@terryallen2374 The Queen made it clear decades ago that she would not stand in the way of Australia becoming a Republic if that's what they wanted. There is no reason to believe that her views on Canada would differ.
Britain is a Motherland not a Fatherland.
Increased Federalization within Europe was / is supported by some nations and not by others. The problem is that the power within the EU lies almost entirely with Germany and France, therefore if a Nation cedes more National Sovereignty and power to the EU, they are actually ceding it to France and Germany.
@@ericblair9103 Brexit was the right course of action for the UK. It will just take a couple of years for things to settle down and a new normal to be established. The big danger is in Russia seeing Europe as weak as a result of the UK leaving and deciding to push things beyond a point that will be tolerated.
That’s actually not the case. The opposite is true.
If Germany and, let’s say, Slovenia give some decision making to the EU both decide a lot of those issues together in the European council. Each country has one vote. So if you compare both country’s population and economies Slovenia gained a lot of influence. Now let’s say Slovenia leaves the EU institutions: What did it gain?
It still needs to have access to the Union’s internal market and relies on treaties with the EU but won’t have any influence on regulations and such.
Not to speak about its relation to the USA or China.
It would de facto loose some sovereignty while the big countries in the EU would gain influence.
@@harrypadarri6349 That is too simplistic and inaccurate. Slovenia has 8 MEPs to Germany's 96 and France's 79. But it isn't about simple votes, it is about power behind the scenes. Germany and France drive the EU.
If Slovenia leave, what do they gain? The power to control their own borders, write their own laws, etc. Yes they lose any power they may have had to help shape Germany's policies, etc, but that is a small price to pay.
The EU would only really work if countries ceded ALL of their power to the EU and ceased existing as countries at all. Individuals would then need to forget about borders and where a politician of the new EUROPEAN NATION was from and all the history that went before.
Europe would need to BECOME the country, that nation state. Not so far fetched when you look at history and the Italian city states, the French provinces and all of the divisions that used to exist within the other European countries (including the UK). The trend is for amalgamation, by force or agreement, and the creation of new and bigger Nations.
MOTHERLAND!
"Downgrading" nations to "Dominions" within the Empire rather than ruling them directly sounds like the international franchising of Britishness!
No country would never again have an empire as big as the British empire, and the sun never sets on the empire, proud to be British.
The term is how the tables have turned.
To me this vid. is a perfect illustration of how American Exceptionalism - whether covert or overt - functions. Those who've said it was rubbish aren't cranky old curmudgeons; or hyper-sensitive; or people who just like to argue; or trying to be superior: they're right ... it's rubbish.
Like those 24/7 'News' shows: the premise was pure speculation about a factual event. Chronologically it was a nightmare and obviously done in either a) ignorance - or b)with the idea that 99% of the people watching would not bother to fact-check. Our documented truth became someone else's 'alternative' truth
There were the usual throw-away lines like there being "one or two" countries which still had the Union flag on their flags. I didn't check it because I'm not all that fussed: but I certainly know it's around 20. Yet it's an implied "hardly any" that will stick in people's minds.
And finally the threat is there also: if, in this (obviously) unknown future anyone steps out of line, Big Brother still holds ascendancy in the causing-the-destruction-of-the-planet-scenario and will destroy them.
Connor, I know how hard you want to know things. So do I. But I want to make sure I don't clutter up my head by retaining knowledge that isn't correct. There's so much more I need to learn: I need to keep the bulldust out to make room for all the real stuff I need to store in my head. In a medium like this it pays to be able to gauge bull-dust levels. (Not condescending - just sharing )
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Don't think Britain will ever be an empire again and going back to your reaction to 'the troubles' the 50th anniversary of Bloody Sunday takes place tomorrow 30th Jan
Did you know in the 1930s the state of Western Australia once held a referendum and voted to leave the Australian Federation and rejoin the UK.... Its was a really awkward moment for the UK and they basically just ignored them and told them it was invalid.
This year the WA Budget had a surplus of $6billion and they feel like they're bank rolling the rest of the country, its happening again:
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WAxit has its own political party. And there's a Westralia flag from the 30s.
You are right. Culture dose matter. You may not always like each other but family is family.
The idea of the expansion of Empire being mainly, or entirely, due to Britain being unable to support it's population is complete and utter nonsense. As is the idea that convicts were deported to relieve this pressure. The overwhelming drive behind imperial expansion was economic. The economic interests were increasingly backed up by military power as time went on and the Empire grew. Especially naval power, in the form of the Royal Navy. Convict deportation was both a form of punishment and a handy source of cheap labour in the less populated new colonies. Most of the early colonies weren't government ventures at all but rather private ventures. Though it became increasingly in the interest of government to defend and then actively support such ventures, as they generated a huge revenue for the government, both directly and indirectly through increased national prosperity. This in turn enabled it to increase the size and scope of the Royal Navy, allowing the effective defence of even more territory and so on and so on... In many ways, the expansion and modernisation of the Royal Navy, was one of the primary forces that helped spark the industrial revolution. The Navy needed vast quantities of metal, rope, cloth and fabric and many of the earliest modern industrial factories were set up to produce naval supplies. At peak, half of the government's budget was spent on the Royal Navy.
Also, the final dissolution of Empire had very little, if anything, to do with 'American demands'. I really wish people would do proper research if they're going to make videos like this, purportedly espousing real history. This video seems to be incredibly skewed towards a somewhat false American narrative...
Brexit was not 'it becoming clear to Britons...'. That's part of the problem. It wasn't clear at all. It could easily have gone either way. On the day, it was a narrow victory for leave, 51% to 49%. What's more it was held at the perfect time for Leave to win. In virtually the entirety of the UK's membership there was nowhere near a Leave majority and since leaving, enthusiasm for Brexit has continued to wane, with many former Leave voters admitting they made a mistake. Research into the vote has shown that one of the biggest factors in the unexpectedly large Leave vote, was a n incredibly strong anti-establishment sentiment and virtually the entire establisment was telling them that leaving would be a terrible idea (along with the entire World, except for Putin's Russia, a handful of small European far-right parties and a certain Donald Trump, before he was President). This hardened Leave support but, more significantly, created a larger than expected protest vote. Most of those that voted as a protest vote against the establishment, thought that Remain would win easily and so thought a protest vote was worthwhile. Even after the polls closed, Leave campaigners were all but conceding, as no one had factored in the size of the anti-establishment protest vote. It really divided the country. London, Scotland and N. Ireland, along with many of the big cities and large parts of SE England, voted Remain. Everywhere else voted Leave. There were also major demographic splits. The young voted overwhelmingly to Remain, whilst the old voted overwhelmingly to Leave. There was also an educational split, with those with higher educational levels tending heavily towards Remain and lower educational levels tending heavily towards Leave.
tl/dr - It was anything but 'clear' and the division it's created continues to be the fault line that dominates our politics and public discourse and will continue to do so for the forseeable. The nation is pretty much divided into two rival camps, on a whole range of issues and positions appear to be hardening and deepening over time, rather than softening...
One major flaw I can see in this plan is climate change and the push to live more sustainably and shop more locally. Why ship from NZ to UK if something is available closer to home?
Economics.
Connor. Got a you tube video joining English history with Rhode Island directly. Search for Strutt’s north mill Belper. Pawtucket’s Samuel Slater came from Belper to the US having worked for Strutt and brought what he had learned with him.
Imagine how good, great and successful America might be today if it hadn't "broken free" of the UK ???
Yeah they'd actually have healthcare where you don't have to choose between dying and going financially bust, just like the rest of the commonwealth
That's why American kids are still taught the fallacy about the 'tyrannical' King George the third who was not only one of our most popular monarchs, but had exactly the same power to govern as the current Queen does.
@@tomstorey8559 they might also have some half decent gun laws.
What so we can get a constitution in the 80s lol...independence was the best path, we have more of an identity than Canada, Australia, or New Zealand...
@@hawx00145 I'm afraid to say you don't, one particular area where you don't are "American" inventions, they're mostly European lol
A federation would never happen because it would mean three countries giving up their self governmence also to be fair Biden recently almost put Britain and America's relationship in the bin the US military higher up had to remind him how important the relationship between is both military and domestically.
possible for you to emigrate to any part of Australia were you would be welcomed, you would settle in, be accepted, as one of us, you would never be called a FOREIGNER.
Connor, Canada has nothing to offer, neither does New Zealand,,,this is why AUKUS did not include them!
For people who have an interest on this subject there are quite a few sites that go into
Less of the what if and more on what is actually being proposed with this alliance.
Paradoxically the 'language of the EU/Europe' will probably end up being English.
The most important benefit from this alliance would be economic, open trade and travel
between the four nations for work and leisure would be fantastic.
This agreement allows for the rapid movement of expertise from one location to another, with minimum fuss, cost and restrictions, to rapidly benefit all parties involved. Something we could never do as part of the EUSSR! Edit, CANZUK wold not create a new country, it would just create a union of close nations, but not as close or restrictive as the EU.
Short answer: no
Long answer: NOOOOOOOOOOO
And you can tell that there is Kinship between these nations, for example there would be riots if there was say a French or German as the Prime Minister, but if there was a Canadian, Australian or New Zealander as PM of the UK everyone would be fine with it
Andrew Bonar Law was a Canadian and a UK Prime Minister.
CANZUK and a closer federation like future is an amazing way to go, it has my full support.
There's a place down the Rd from me I'm in boston in Lincolnshire and there a tiny village called New York too itss old I think so maybe yours was named after this one since alot of places in America are named after ours lol
You should watch The Crown on netflix
Great show I definitely recommend it too.
Britain has never been 'the Fatherland'. When such terms have been used, it was always maternal, rather than paternal. I've got to say that this entire video has been amongst the worst, when it comes to historical accuracy. God knows what the 'what if' part will be like, lol.
It's possible that they used "fatherland" to avoid using "motherland" which how Germany was referred to by nazis in WWII
@@ToTheTower - Germany, in WW2, most definitely referred to itself as the Fatherland. Germany had always emphasised Fatherland and even more so during WW2. You may be confusing it with Russia, which was always the Motherland.
@@Codex7777 My bad ;)))
putin has said in the last few days the uk is stronger than the eu union that shows you he will listen but putin does not like the eu union at all.
I hate videos like this. "America" did NOT spearhead the invasion of Europe, they were equal partners with the other western allies, Britain, Canada, Poland, France etc. They provided much of the hardware, but Britain provided the land and airspace. Plus the USSR won the war in Europe. Also "America" did not defeat the Japanese, they only fought on the islands. The British Empire fought on the Mainland. Burma, Malaya, French Indo-China (Vietnam) etc. My uncle Stanley was in 14th Army with Gen Slim for three years and never saw a yank. Get over yourselves 'Murica!!!
Mostly true, but in respect to France and Poland, they were merely resistance groups rather than a spearhead army, and importantly, it was General Dwight D. Eisenhower, an American mind you, who was the supreme allied commander during D-Day...I hate how mostly Europeans downplay American involvement in the world wars, especially in recent times...
@@hawx00145 It's because they always get the chronology wrong and try to tell us they saved our 'asses', when actually we had already resisted any threat and secured a firm base from which an invasion of Europe could be launched. We just needed them and their equipment to help us liberate the rest of Europe. (PS how do you feel about deleting 'merely' from your comment?)
@@hawx00145 Granted but Monty was in charge of the actual landings. I don't mind sharing credit with the yanks (as is proper) but them claiming "they" won is annoying!
@@hawx00145 But you're OK with downplaying the involvement of the French and Polish resistance.
@@hawx00145 It isn’t downplaying anything, it’s just correcting ingrained false American narratives.
8:13 Don't worry, it'll be your turn next.
How the turn tables...
The sunglasses thing with America has nothing to do with Biden lmao. Why would it? does he wear sunglasses often or something?
Sunglasses have often been associated with America
I always thought it was a George Bush thing...
A federalisation, no.. can't lose beating the poms in the ashes!
The very fact those countries have such similarities is the reason they need no federation.
When the colonies in North America were established there were plans to make them penal colonies. With their loss in 1776 the UK had to find a replacement and chose some of the colonies on the east cost of Australia.
If the US hadn’t been created I wonder how Australia who have developed, would it’s culture have been different?
Georgia was a penal colony - between 50,000 and 120,000 british convicts were sent to the British North American colonies
We started with different laws than US colonies because of the US independence. Also suspect the French would have gotten to OZ first without the lost of the US colonies
Japan has a military they call it the Self Defense Force and not breaking any post WW2 treaties
Loving all the Monsieur Z videos :)
You did ok. Stop panicking.🤣
CANZUK would be a balance against further Chinese expansion allied with the US and all the countries choosing which Speer they would prefer
If you accept a more modern concept of "Empire", that of political, economic and military influence, rather than purely invasion, colonization and domination, America can be seen as the most recent Empire.
This is now collapsing due to political corruption at home, failure to support allies, perceived lack of interest in the world as a whole (as it turns its attention squarely back home) and confused messaging to the wider world vis-a-vis goals and agendas.
This still leaves the US with a widespread and diverse economic "reach" and empire, but can this alone survive without the other aspects of the Empire?
With the UK now outside of the EU, it will be well place to capitalize on the ongoing US collapse and could perhaps take its place using the new model of Empire. if it does this off the back of the Union Jack flag, it can bring the others of CANZUK along with it.
Make America Great Again has actually translated into "cut our nations throat and let our people drown in its blood!"
US & UK are joining the CPTPP. The USA will be alright.
Our people have the same morals and understanding of what is right.. You are great nations. As a team we take future the right way.
All cultures of the world have good morals, not just Anglo saxons. It's just different cultures have different interests and ideologies.
Tell that to the people of the middle east, or the aborigines of Australia, etc..
the eu could go round within international waters without crossing our borders .
yep the usa wanted us to stay with the eu ,we should not have joined it in the first place
the uk is the motherland
CANZUK would be a great thing to try for.But there is the same problem in Canada,we have the French next door and unfortunately Canada has a load of rubbish French people "Laughable I know".And like all French people they have many problems when it comes to trust.
this video is really inaccurate, how on earth did the US coerce Britain out of india? wasn't that Gandhi's hunger strike that made it happen? correct me if im wrong.
English/British/UK citizen here... I resent the American narrative of this. However much we respect the Americans for joining the 2nd World War this narrator makes it sound like we were crippled already and it was all on them. I know @McJibbin watches alot of history videos so surely can see my point. Ps love your channel but not lovibg this vid sorry
We don't need to reunite our empire, because our empires still exist! The United Nations and World Trade Organisation were created by Sir Winston Churchill as the modern Empire, and we have nearly every country signed up by choice, even the USA! The UN and WTO could hardly have been more successful; remember our old empire was also created for trade, not power like most past empires, but it became outdated and had to be reinvented.
imagine being this deluded, no there is no Empire anymore, all of those are institutions designed to promote American power not British power. We are merely puppets of the Americans, we're not an important country any longer.
@@fyrdman2185 Like I said, our empire was never about power, it was about trade, so yes, those institutions are not about British power, they are about British influence on global trade and other matters. We can be a puppet if we want, but the USA has little influence in the world without British support, our Queen is head of the Commonwealth of nations which covers 28% of the world's countries, one in four countries currently has a leader who was educated in the UK, even North Korea! We have a huge influence on the world when we want to have an influence. The USA may have the most nuclear weapons, but that does not give them any influence on everyday life!
@@nigels.6051 lmfao this is so delusional. The US when we had more power and influence then we do now forced us to decolonise and we did it. American movies and television dominate the world market. Their cultural power is immense. There is nothing influential about British culture. Even in our own country we're being flooded with American culture so much so that we've lost our own British culture and you think we have any influence over the world? Wake up already.
@@fyrdman2185 No, the USA didn't force us to decolonise, that process had already begun a hundred years previously. People around the world who had benefited from the education systems we had installed in their countries wanted to run their own countries once they were capable of doing so, there was no longer any requirement for control from London. You really think British culture isn't influential around the world? Isn't the English language rather well used for international communications, the only language of air traffic, taught in schools in nearly every nation? In 2017, China’s Ministry of Education added the Harry Potter novels to the list of recommendations for Chinese primary and secondary school students - billions of young people learning British culture! A question I saw the other day: "In Star Wars, why does the Galactic Empire speak in British accents whereas the Rebels / Everyone else, speaks in an American / Non-English accent?"
@@nigels.6051 The English language outside of our colonies spread because of American television and culture. And yes the Americans did force us to abandon our colonies and decolonise them, these are basic facts here. The Suez Crises is a perfect example of this. What power do we have really? We follow America into every war that has nothing to do with us nor benefit us in anyway like little lemmings. Our entire culture is being destroyed by americanism. Barely any person has any idea of our own history and heritage in this country. People know more about the civil rights movement and MLK than the founding of our own nation. If that is not being under the thumb of the Americans than i don't know what is. Just in 2020 our entire nation erupted in riots over George Floyd, a criminal who had nothing to do with our country. Lmfao it's hilarious how people don't see how low we've gotten as a nation
Your boyfriend is very lucky to have you
As a New Zealander I remember when the UK ditched us for the E.U. All those exports that used to go to Britain ceased. I also remember that idiot De Gaulle's govt complaining about NZ cheese. Thousands of KIwis fought to liberate those ungrateful frogs. Damn CANZUK I say, the U.S is the way to go I say.
plenty of people in the UK remember how the rest of commonwealth were treated. do you think being stuck in a union with the French has been fun? I don't have a problem with CANZUK, probably not a federation, but least we would be on a more equal footing with the USA, since we are already part of things like Five Eyes, etc.
@@niallrussell7184 Yes, the past is just that and a economic alliance between our nations would be sensible. New Zealand although small is reliable pays her bills, this discipline is a throw back to our British heritage.
The start of this is boll**ks - the start of what became the British Empire had nought to do with supporting the rising population but it had everything to do with trade. Transportation was to do with removing criminals. I guess much of the rest of this commentary is not worth my time.
The video it naive, at best.
Sorry, I don't really rate the original video - quite inaccurate.
Germany is the Fatherland, Britain is the Motherland.
This channel is talking absolute rubbish and living in some fantasy land.
True germany is actually a Fatherland.
Britain is the Fatherland and France is the Motherland. Germany doesn't even qualify. 😎
@@Ganymede559 rubbish
@@peterbrown1012 What's Germany contributed in recent years? Nothing of good report.
@@Ganymede559 Lol Keeping Europe relevant is one of the things it has contributed with and keeping the EU going.