MoErgo Glove80: Unboxing and First Impressions of a Split Fully Ergonomic Wireless Keyboard
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00:00 Intro
01:45 Unboxing
05:25 Keyboard
10:51 Ergonomics
13:12 Customizability
13:59 Portability
18:13 Options
18:37 Connectivity
20:31 Build Quality
22:02 Typing Performance
23:56 First impressions
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MoErgo Glove80 is a fully split wireless ergonomic keyboard that accepts no compromises when ergonomics and portability are at stake. Here are the unboxing and first impressions of the 400$ ergonomic keyboard that promises to deliver the best typing comfort available, at the price of the price tag, and also adaptability period.
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Function over form, and the form is the function. Love it!
Voja, glad to see you finally complete your moving and are ready to try Glove80. Great video.
One thing I do want to note about transition time. It really depends on the individual and neuroplasticity. Some of our users blew us away with how fast they transit. One of the users (@ibiza) said yesterday that he moved from a rectangular keyboard ($20 Walmart row staggered membrane keyboard) to Glove80 without prior experience with columnar keyboards, and reach **150 wpm** in a week. In general, we expect our users to take roughly one week to reach a productive speed, and one month to truly master a columnar layout.
I think that person might be telling lies. I find it hard to believe they went to 150wpm just from swapping out a bad membrane keyboard to this ergo board.
@@barryparker8528 yeah, 150, and that within a week, I would totally not communicate, as a vendor, even if it were true, which is not, or he meant one letter words;-)
Basically you tell all your OTHER customers that they would be kinda dumb.
That looks awesome! Thanks for the video! Really curious how much customisation will go into it, before you do your part with relearning. I somehow expect you'll override some defaults
spooky, I was just an hour ago looking into new ergonomic keyboards and now here it comes your video 😂 Very interesting, because the space between the two half's, most ergonomic keyboards are too narrow imho. cR
Love the review Voya - studio looking awesome :)
Thanks man! :)
I don't see a follow-up. Does that mean you tossed it?
Your timing couldn't be better! After buying the boox note air based on your review and not having any regrets, I can't wait for your full review in a couple of months.
I'm looking at the glove, but on the fence because a reviewer noticed some annoying sounds during typing. And I'm not sure if i should buy this or the unsoldered version and use other switches.
And then there is the possible import fees... (I hope the free trade agreement between EU and New Zealand goes in to effect soon)
Curious to see the follow-up video. I have a Keyboardio Model 100 (and prior to that, a model 01) which I've been using since early 2018 or so, which is designed somewhat differently though similar. Quite happy with that one, especially the (far better, easily replaceable) switches of the model 100.
the big difference is this is a curved key well modeled on the kinesis advantage.
Yes, that arm and wrist position is a real concern...especially 9-10 hours a day. I love my KINESIS GAMING Freestyle Edge RGB Split Mechanical USB. But it is not wireless and not portable. Look forward to your full review. Needs a track ball for the grand slam.
I am looking forward to hear how you are feeling about it now, after having used it for some time. I ended up buying this, and my learning have been slow and a little frustrating,at times, but I am slowly but steady getting faster and my hands absolutely love it! I must say, that I still prefer "normal" keyboards for tasks that is not really text typing (lots of movement of the hands on and off the keyboard), but for writing it has become my absolute favourite. Do I love the material and feel of the build quality? Not really, but it doesn't bother me enough to make it a big issue, and it is light weight to carry. They should make a good case for it though..
Interesting comment. Which tasks do you prefer exactly on a standard keyboard and can you describe why? Is it the key well or missing keys or habit or something else or a combination of factors?
@@nickgoogle4525 Habit for sure! And tasks when I am mostly using the trackball/mouse and just want to hit some keys with one hand without placing both hands on the keybord. I am overall very happy with my MoErgo Glove80 :)
@@trudeoverlie2382 Thanks for the answer. I fully understand. In my opinion it is important that one looks for the different tasks one use a keyboard for. Typing is an important one (for most people), but others are (often one-handed) navigation, while browsing the internet and the like. Here one will use often shortcuts like Alt-arrows and the like. A third mode is editing existing content, where (text) navigation is key. Many keyboards with few keys fall short for the latter 2 modes. I was wondering how the Glove80 fares, because it has likely enough keys, but the well might be in the way for using one-handed navigation (mode 2). I might have ordered it, but it looked too light and flimsy to me and I also did not like how Steven from moErgo reacts on comments or questions. So not a company I want to support for that reason as well.
Is there an option with black double-shot keycaps? As far as I understand, the Glove80 uses unique keycaps that by default are translucent with opaque legends. I'd like it exactly in reverse - black opaque keycaps with translucent legends.
I have been watching this (and some other ergonomic keyboards) for some time, and think it looks great and might be a solution for my hands. But I am worried that it is too complicated for me to change the set up to Norwegian. Can you please tell a little about this? Do you need to be a programmer or have really high tech skills to make it work? I think a keyboard like this (together with my Mira screen) might be a way for me to be able to work for a little longer than my body allows me today..
Being so lightweight, how stable is it? If, fo example, you'd raise your hand from the palm rest and tap one of the function keys in the top row - how likely are you to push the keyboard?
What happened to the follow up video?
5th try to post this comment:
I would like to inform French-speaking users that there is an optimized layout for French and English called Optimot. Thanks to the help and kindness of MoErgo there are specific keycaps for Optimot.
I can’t post the link to our site because YT remove the message. If interested, please search for Optimot.
I don't know why, but UA-cam is messed up properly these days and automatically just blocks some comments. Some pass on for manual approval, which I regularly check (couldn't see yours), but even completely normal comments end up in manual approval for no reason what so ever. So yeah, UA-cam is misbehaving in a big way.
As someone who's considered switching to an ergonomic keyboard, I'm really interested to see how this process goes. Good luck!
Thank you :)
Did you get a chance to post a follow up? Really interested in your take
Not really, because I wasn't able to offer an objective look at this product, so I returned it. The reason why I wasn't able to be objective is that I use the Nordic keyboard layout, and unlike an English or the US layout, I do really need and use those extra keys all of the time, and that meant that I was forced to try and adapt to both the ergonomic keyboard, and the Layering in order to use it normally. The keyboard itself is fantastic, and the adaptation period is really not that long, to adjust to the ergonomic aspect of it. However, the layering thing didn't work for me at all, simply because I would have to remember where did I map which keys, and there is no way to have that visually available on the keyboard. So that didn't work for me at all, and I was unable to get past that hurdle, and as such wasn't able to be objective about it anymore.
In my opinion it seems to be too big. How can you comfortably reach the F1 and F10 keys with your little fingers?
i bought 2. i was an advantage 2 user so not much of a transition. i recommend the white clicky for sure. great keyboard
I was going to upgrade to the Advantage360 before I learned it's terminally unreliable, even the wired version. Very glad this Glove80 exists, esp now with Pro Red option
White clicky, not too loud?
I now have the Pro Reds. I’ve had both 45g cherry and 15g gChocs. Pro Red at 35g is perfect, and a gateway to lighter weight without being a risk yet. Glove80 pro red option is so good. Not loud compared with kinesis products
the white clicky is definitely the way to go@@CalmHive
What keyswitched are best
Any update?
Since the material is plastic for "portability" reasons, how could they not include a case for it?
Good point. For a premium price range, this is something that I would expect to see, if that is the focus of a device.
@@MyDeepGuide I am thinking about buying it but how on earth will carry it on a bag stuck with other stuff :/
Yeah, a specially designed carry case, or ot the very least a pouch would have made quite a lot of sense.
There is now a carrying case on the recent glove rev 2
The build quality seems very cheap for an expensive product. Compared to the moonlander the price of the glove is hard to justify.
How does control-a work? Is it comfy enough?
So far the Ctrl, Shift, and Alt combinations feel most difficult to get used to, but they are starting to get better. But the completely different location, and more importantly relation between the Ctrl, shift, and alt is quite a tricky obstacle.
Have you tried typing in your native language? I am wary of getting it because i think it only suits english users
Using it for typing russian since first Kickstarter batch (since Feb 23, I guess), works perfect for me. (upd: added date of receiving the keyboard).
For me, so far it's equally slow in any language :D
I was thinking more about extra letters, do they all fit :D. Thank you for your responses.
Default layouts keep the extra characters on a separate layer, meaning, you won't have an indication where they are and you'll have to learn it by heart. Extremely unintuitive. You do have extra key caps, but then you will have to sacrifice other keys to fit them and set the "sacrificed ones" on one of the under layers.
This is a major down point for this approach, as I would rather have an extra column of keys available for my ring fingers, and thus allow for the extra keys that this keyboard really does need, as it can't fit all of the F keys (F11 and F12 are also on a separate layer) as well as Print Screen and a few others.
So yeah, definitely not a smooth transition, and even after the adaptation period, I believe that this limitation will simply remain a limitation and an inconvenience.
Exactly what i was worried about. Thank you for detailed response.
The horizontal axis is too flat. It needs to be at a greater angle so that your wrists are more neutral.
That's what the adjustable feet are for, or?
@@MyDeepGuide Maybe! It's hard to say. I don't see a listed angle. It still looks like you have go into "pronation" and out of the neutral position. Some keyboards and mice are closer to neutral. The Logitech MX Vertical mouse keeps your hand almost perfectly neutral. The Kinesis Freestyle 2 or some of the ZSA keyboards can do a more extreme angle that are physically more neutral for your hand. The Freestyle 2 has the overpriced "Ascent" adapter to get to a perfectly neutral 90 degrees!
@@liketheduckit has fully adjustable tenting
@@liketheduck what is neutral is also depending on where you place the keyboard halfs. The closer together, the lower the best angle.
the quality is not good
Why can't I leave a comment? I've tried three times now.
Use kinesis advantage 360
it's similar. but it's wireless, usb c, low key travel, portable, better thumb cluster and better design and fully programmable with zmk.
Ergonomic? My ass would burn after 5 minutes with a keyboard like that, when I've spent over 30 years with a normal sized keyboard.
And you say that based on what exactly?
@@MyDeepGuide I've had the experience of typing on a Microsoft Ergonomic Keyboard, and this one looks even more curled and uncomfortable.
Its a good thing then that some people base their keyboard opinions on something other than looks.
Too many unnecessary praise, and man you could invest in an English course.
If your only contribution is going to be a written comment about someone's lack of English language skills (in a non-scripted video), you would do well to at least proof read your comment and ensure that you have the punctuation done correctly.
5-minutes before he actually shows the keyboard... Craziness..
Chapters in video description. Madness :)
blabla, not much information in almost half an hour. They sent you a sample and you made a (bad) advertisement.... There are lots of questions and considerations you did not even touch -- and that in that long time.
Have you read the title of the video maybe? Try reading. It helps.
@@MyDeepGuide I have read _and_ watched and I have found that you were able to successfully unbox a keyboard, which btw a 2 year old has no problem with either. And then you needed almost half an hour to repeat the marketing blurb from the manufacturer and promised a follow-up in a month. That was now ten months ago. So I wonder what do you think was the added value of your video and why someone should invest the time to watch it!? That is a serious question. Think about it. It helps. 🙂
What do you think the value in writing up this comment was? This is the same comment a 13 year old could write that has provided zero value when they could just click off the video and go crap on someone else's work.
@@nickgoogle4525 the video is called “unboxing and first impressions” not sure what you expected
@@nickgoogle4525 Your criticism is fine when the video sets out a certain aim or expectations e.g. “pros and cons of the glove80”. “First impressions” however is really just that - whatever the poster thinks while viewing the device.
I didn't know about this concept of ergonomic split keyboards. This model surely looks very well thought for minimum pain and fast typing. I feel however that the price point of this type of keyboard (and apparently the competition as well) is just outrageous. 200-250 $ or € seem to me like a maximum accepted price for a keyboard, however ergonomic. I understand that R & D is a big investment for the company, but also patents are there to protect and value that type of investment, and garantee 20 years of exploiting novelty.
Think also about the risk of copying the concept? At the age of DIY and home 3-D printers, it doesn't sound impossible. So, please @moergo4127, make a keyboard at an acceptable price point.
This said, is also justified by the fact that they are probably improvements to go, on the robustness and portability of the device. So new iterations to come would mean more sales, as long as the price allows you to try to first models coming to market. Please make the benefits of the keyboard accessible to a larger public, and not a niche market. Everybody deserves an ergonomic keyboard.