Thank you Andy for your view on the rifle. You right to say it is good. I didn't realize how good it was until I bought a .177" with a laminate stock. Wow it's amazing! This is a precision rifle from it's engineering to it's accuracy. Everything about the RAW is solid. With it's beautiful light trigger, it makes this a delight to use. In my mind you are paying for a top quality rifle and using it has justified the price tag. Best regards Steve.
First time we've seen a "bad" review from Andy. That said he gave them plenty of time to amend the design and provide a response. Honesty, particularly when someone could spend £2k on rifles partly on online reviews is no doubt greatly appreciated.
Thank You. It was clear you did not enjoy the gun, especially at the price point. Yet you still managed to present a fair and honest review. Highlighting the positives and not dwelling on the negatives. I agree 100% on the safety. Turning off the safety should not increase the chances of an unintentional discharge. The price point on it is obscene, even by American standards. For 2 grand (3 when kitted out) I can purchase 2 well equipped rifles and have a few pennies left over. Keep up the good work Andy, even us here in the colonies appreciate the quality of your reviews.
well it wont get the accuracy of the raw thou.. the raw i have ia a 177 and its doing 5 mm ctc groups at 50 yards..... its insane accuracy from any small arm at that range... ANY
Never have understood any manufacturer putting a safty catch on or near the trigger. Why ?. Could not agree more with all of the comments you have raised. Honest review as always.
I think the idea is that it's much easier to make the gun safe and requires a conscious action to switch to the fire position, and there are military weapons that use a similar configuration, which suggests there must be a good reason for it. All the same, it does look a little awkward to use, especially with such a light trigger.
@@OldNavajoTricks lol The one thing I've learned and I'm 100% sure of is ,shooting is more fun with a more affordable rifle . When I've been daft enough to take one of the ltd editions I've owned ( around 4 grand uk including the sightron scope ) I was more worried about damaging the laminate stock or would rain damage the silver finish etc etc , I enjoy it most when I'm out with a second hand hw100 that cost me 550 years ago , if I'm honest 50% of the higher end rifles I've owned such as an impact are to delicate for real field use, I speak from experience , don't get fooled into believing the more money you spend ,the better the rifle you will get, I still use two theoben rifles , an Mfr and ttr2 ,no gauges or quick fill connecters , and I enjoy those more than any of the high end and electronic action rifles I've owned ( that probably a bad example as they are becoming very rare and the value is ever rising ) my point is by a second hand rifle like a BSA super 10, they were once the flagship model of BSA but now they are a 20 year old design and the last incarnation hit the market about 16 years ago ,so you can get them cheap , they can keep up with all the stupid money rifles , ( damn I want an old super 10 now ,I'll go online in a mo lol) All the best mate ,enjoy your shooting and stay safe 👍
@@aboutthemetal8783 I think the best I ever had was a HW87 back in the early nineties, bought it from a sisters bf but just decided in the last two or so years to revisit it, primarily as a 'prepping' or bugout tool, backup for the bow and other food means. I'd want a springer for end times ofc but I designed a stock that wasn't breaker compatible and no way can I afford real pcp haha, but in the end as long as the lead gets to the head, it's all good 👍 Good hunting marra and take care.
Excellent review, as always. I love watching Andy tying himself in knots trying to find positive things to say when it's so obvious that he just doesn't like the gun. This looks like style over substance to me, they've ruined what could be a genuinely great gun in order to capture a bit of nostalgia appeal, it looks like the woodwork started off as a cricket bat and then had the minimum of machining done to make it function as a gunstock, which is a shame because the matching between the cheek-riser and the rest of the butt is fantastic and must have cost a mint. And I agree totally that the safety would have me accidentally firing it, with my big old hands. There are too many fantastic guns at the two grand mark for this to even get close to making my wants list, it isn't out-performing guns that cost half that and have far less coffin-shaped woodwork.
Great vid, many thanks. I hate that type if in trigger safety having a very cheap Crosman copy of a Gamo set up like that. In Sub12 doesn't stack up for the money when you could get an HW100 or S510 for half of that.
Good shot count, great cocking lever, well made , exellent trigger , superbly accurate, even keeping things tight an extra 10 metres further than you test other guns. Its a very negative review considering its plus points. From the intro of this review I was expecting a scatter gun made out of tin foil. Other than the high price, I quite like the look of it.
Great review Andy, i'll not be swapping my Daystate or FX anytime soon,it's certainly devisive with that stock, it really does not do it any justice at all,😐
It sounds like a fair and honest review to me Andy. Your followers expect that. If you don't like something it's good that you say so. You also called out what you like. Can't ask for more than that. Integrity counts 👍
Considering these rifles heritage, Theoben if I'm not mistaken, surely they'd be at least equal to previous generations of superb products. And that price tag.? The BSA / AA fair are getting on for half and at least there isn't a 12hr time difference to try and rectify a manufacturing fault And while I'm on a rant (🙄) it's a crying shame that we have yet again had our engineering and design excellence farmed out, to become another country..... I've become my father 🤔 Great review as always Andy Regards
Great honest review Andy. Certainly seems overpriced and is no looker. 3x2 made me chuckle. As for that safety, well, I have fat fingers and that safety with the light trigger is an accident waiting to happen. Such a shame your expertise has not been responded to. Once again many thanks. I look forward each Friday to your reviews.
As I recall,1980's I'd guess,Theoben, pioneered a gas ram break barrel air rifle.I never had one unfortunately but I remember the advertisements for it .
I don't know, for 2 grand I'd want something a bit more aesthetically pleasing, makes the BSA R12 look like bargain if you were to put them head to head. But that's just my opinion. Honest reveiw though and a tough gun to pigeon hole, it's neither a rather or a bench rest but looks solid, like a big plank of wood should, maybe they should approach minelli for a style overhall, or is it a gun to be fettled by the owners to fit, like a target pistol.
I would rather spend my money on a original Theoben rapid 7 if i found one that hadn't been played about with as i think that thing is well over priced. Great video as always.
The safety would do my nut in ! I would be very disappointed spending that much and finding the safety in a poor position ( in my opinion ) Just an observation but this was tested at 50m in sub 12 and for comparison the r12 was shot at 40m ( which was also a .22) so from a review point of view it would be nice to shoot all sub 12’s at the same distance ( though the wind which you cannot control will have a direct effect )
Can't fault your review for its honesty and balance. It's a shame that such a beautifully laminated stock has been fashioned to be so visually clunky. I'm drawing parallels with my AA HFT 500 stock, also laminated but much more aesthetic and ergonomic. Shame also that given every opportunity the manufacturer has not been responsive to you.
Hi Andy really great and honest review of this rifle ,but costing over £ 2000 with no other accessories is a little expensive. I wonder if they will alter the design based on your report/opinion
hi,question, is it worth buying any new airgun at this present time with the not yet been anounced lead ban, i really hope it doesn't come into force but is there any point to getting a new gun? answers greatly appreciated
Wow 😲 2 grand for a laminated 4x2, forget that and buy a new BSA which is pure class compared to this rifle or any other one for that matter, can't see them selling too many of these in this country,the usual use for this rifle is bench rest at the high power setting at which they do pretty well and have accumulated quite a following in the USA, but for this country my computer said no, love all your reviews Andy thanks ATB Dave
I know you cant compare apples and oranges but the price point on these rifles compared to rimfire rifles is crazy. As a theoben rapid mk2 owner I'd rather use this still over this new version.
Good morning Andy, on the face of it a good looking rifle ! But then it feels flat wood stock . You don't get much for your money ? The loudness is rubbish. If it was a lot cheaper! I would consider it ! Thank you Andy , fabulous review today ... Cheers Simon
Well done on a fair review Andy. Certainly trip down memory lane. Safety poor, stock pretty but to chunky for me. It's a lot of money really ok on the bench but to carry this beast around all evening and still shoot accurately mmm not for me. Cheers Garry 😎👍
The original rapids are still beautiful rifles with a much nicer comfy stock. Still sought after today. The Raw was designed for the FAC market. Big internal plenum inside that block. If its got a LW polygon barrel like the FAC versions it won't be as good in sub12.
i use the tm 1000 it has no safty and is single shot whit a thimble to rotate the barrel. its 177 19 foot pounds.... i wanted a heavy gun so i even chose the steel bottle for greater weight,... i use it for bench shooting only. it really dosent get any better than this
A Minelli designed stock would improve its looks, although I think the idea was to remind buyers of its lineage. A better placed safety and a lighter bottle would improve things too. . .in my opinion anyway.
Reasonably new to Air-gunning with an Air Arms S400 .177 with Hawke Fast Mount scope and am loving these vids, great job! Just wanted to know what tripod you are using in the field test please? Thanks!
Looks gorgeous but way too spendy for me to ever contemplate. Sounds like the stock could do with some fettling to get it more ergonomic (a custom job if you're already spending silly money) and the safety inside the trigger guard is just a bad idea. A cross-bolt safety in the same location would be far better. I imagine in the higher calibres and power levels they'll need significantly longer barrels, making them even heavier and more unwieldy.
Hi Andy, thanks for the video mate, judging from your target results it's accurate, but alot of cheaper airguns can do the same , and have a proven track record. As for the safety lever, and the stock, I think they should go back to the drawing board. There's more atractive guns out there for the buyer to pick from. Cheers mate, stay safe, best wishe's to you and your's, Stuart UK.
Marmite rifle for some then? I don’t like marmite. Fair review Andy, I’d rather spend my money on an AGT. Just as accurate, better looking, better ergonomics and plenty ££’s left over.
At this price with old fashioned barrel probably not worth my money. Fx continume with smooth twist barrel, GRS stalk, fully adjustable and much cheaper will be my first choice. Andy as usual is excellent when it comes to presenting a new product. Well done sir
Hello Andy, I do know the original Theatre Barnes and have used some so I do know they capabilities but for such a great action and barrel, my personal opinion of it is that the stock kind of spoils it.
I met both Dave and Ben when they bought a couple of prototype Sciroccos to my local gunshop Russell Walkyer, I remember being stunned by the engineering and deep black on the metalwork. Both rifles looked identical. I had a couple of shots in the back of the shop, no open sights or fitted scope just to try, remember how different they felt to a spring gun. I did buy one of the early ones. On the subject, would I pay that much for the RAW, sorry no
i wonder what the weight difference is between the wooden and composite model.....the wooden one is nice looking but the finer details make it look like a few corners could have been rounded off a bit or a lot
No Airsoft? No BB-guns? No odd eastern nowcommers? A real air rifle! Well done Andy! This said, it's seems to be just on par with the old Theoben, with modern features like picatinny and single load option. Safety placement is the best one available, even that many newbies don't understand why. Overpriced in the UK, true, but not on all markets.
Hello Andy, I put off watching this video as I still have a Theoben Rapid in .20 calibre, and didn't want to hear that it's out of date. It probably is, but it's still better looking than that American take on the original idea by Ben and Dave in the time the internet forgot. I think that wood is designed for benchrest target work, that seems pretty popular over the pond and there's big money involved. As far as the magazine goes, that's a pet hate of mine, they're getting bigger and bigger which dictates the scope mounting options, fine if you're shooting prairie dogs at 100 yards but not when it's a rat 6' away.....
Yes a lot of money for that rifle.Didn’t like where the safety is and I think the lack of a moderater is poor for that money. Well reviewed though Andy,Cheers and Atvb👍🏻😀
£3k? No thanks - I picked up an original MK1 FAC rapid 7 for £250 and its superb and gives me all the memories i had when i bought a sub 12 one brand new just over 20 years ago!
I love your honest rewiev it deffo needs a bit fetling and for the money I wouldn't want to . I'd rather get a hold of a trusty rapid 7 and have it looked at was a great gun back in the day (couple weeks ago to me ) but great honest rewiev thanks for your hard work I know that can't of been easy . 👍👍👍😜🏴🦄🦕😁✌️🤞
TIME AT 9;02 the grip is made to be a thumb up for target shooting not a wrap around grip .......this grip was made for a thumb up position no wonder you dont like the grip using the grip in a hand position is was not meant for..........remeber thumb up ojn the grip
Where to start, well firstly this appears to be a Marmite gun, you either love plywood stocks or hate them and shape wise it has the ergonomics of a made in the shed special. To compare this gun with the Theobens of old is an absolute travesty in appearance, price and design, three grand, laugh and having spring to mind. As for the safety switch, whilst some which are close or indeed inbuilt in the trigger are acceptable this example to me is somewhat borderline to say the least. Next up for criticism is that magazine which thirty years ago was revolutionary but today l would expect to see on a budget gun; times and development have moved on, think Air Arms, BSA, HW etc. There are some good points however they are too few to mention and customer feedback seems of little importance to this manufacturer so probably best left in the gun shop. As always a thorough, well presented and more than fair review of a gun that only begs the question why even bother to test such an overpriced gun?
Thank you Andy for your view on the rifle. You right to say it is good. I didn't realize how good it was until I bought a .177" with a laminate stock. Wow it's amazing! This is a precision rifle from it's engineering to it's accuracy. Everything about the RAW is solid. With it's beautiful light trigger, it makes this a delight to use. In my mind you are paying for a top quality rifle and using it has justified the price tag. Best regards Steve.
First time we've seen a "bad" review from Andy. That said he gave them plenty of time to amend the design and provide a response. Honesty, particularly when someone could spend £2k on rifles partly on online reviews is no doubt greatly appreciated.
REaly not such a bad review, Andy just thought the stock was too blocky.
And he doesn’t sell them ;)
Thank You. It was clear you did not enjoy the gun, especially at the price point. Yet you still managed to present a fair and honest review. Highlighting the positives and not dwelling on the negatives. I agree 100% on the safety. Turning off the safety should not increase the chances of an unintentional discharge. The price point on it is obscene, even by American standards. For 2 grand (3 when kitted out) I can purchase 2 well equipped rifles and have a few pennies left over.
Keep up the good work Andy, even us here in the colonies appreciate the quality of your reviews.
well it wont get the accuracy of the raw thou.. the raw i have ia a 177 and its doing 5 mm ctc groups at 50 yards..... its insane accuracy from any small arm at that range... ANY
Takes me back to the old Theoben. Long gone unfortunately. Thought provoking review , nicely and fairly observed as always. Thank You
Never have understood any manufacturer putting a safty catch on or near the trigger. Why ?. Could not agree more with all of the comments you have raised. Honest review as always.
I think the idea is that it's much easier to make the gun safe and requires a conscious action to switch to the fire position, and there are military weapons that use a similar configuration, which suggests there must be a good reason for it.
All the same, it does look a little awkward to use, especially with such a light trigger.
Wise Words Regarding The Safety Aspect Of The Rifle !!!!
Looks nice but unsure if I'd pay over 2k for this air rifle. Prefer the chassis version but still, 1800. Still alot of money in this day and age!
Yup, for someone who blew the farm on a Cp2 things like this are a neverget lol.
@@OldNavajoTricks lol
The one thing I've learned and I'm 100% sure of is ,shooting is more fun with a more affordable rifle .
When I've been daft enough to take one of the ltd editions I've owned ( around 4 grand uk including the sightron scope )
I was more worried about damaging the laminate stock or would rain damage the silver finish etc etc , I enjoy it most when I'm out with a second hand hw100 that cost me 550 years ago , if I'm honest 50% of the higher end rifles I've owned such as an impact are to delicate for real field use, I speak from experience , don't get fooled into believing the more money you spend ,the better the rifle you will get, I still use two theoben rifles , an Mfr and ttr2 ,no gauges or quick fill connecters , and I enjoy those more than any of the high end and electronic action rifles I've owned ( that probably a bad example as they are becoming very rare and the value is ever rising ) my point is by a second hand rifle like a BSA super 10, they were once the flagship model of BSA but now they are a 20 year old design and the last incarnation hit the market about 16 years ago ,so you can get them cheap , they can keep up with all the stupid money rifles , ( damn I want an old super 10 now ,I'll go online in a mo lol)
All the best mate ,enjoy your shooting and stay safe 👍
@@aboutthemetal8783 I think the best I ever had was a HW87 back in the early nineties, bought it from a sisters bf but just decided in the last two or so years to revisit it, primarily as a 'prepping' or bugout tool, backup for the bow and other food means.
I'd want a springer for end times ofc but I designed a stock that wasn't breaker compatible and no way can I afford real pcp haha, but in the end as long as the lead gets to the head, it's all good 👍
Good hunting marra and take care.
That safety catch is like fiiting the brake pedal on the accelerator pedal at some point it will end in tears 😭
That's the LRT STOCK, LONG RANGE TARGET, that's why that stock is designed like that
Thanks for the review and keeping the manufacturer honest. Too many issues to consider this rifle.
Excellent review, as always. I love watching Andy tying himself in knots trying to find positive things to say when it's so obvious that he just doesn't like the gun. This looks like style over substance to me, they've ruined what could be a genuinely great gun in order to capture a bit of nostalgia appeal, it looks like the woodwork started off as a cricket bat and then had the minimum of machining done to make it function as a gunstock, which is a shame because the matching between the cheek-riser and the rest of the butt is fantastic and must have cost a mint. And I agree totally that the safety would have me accidentally firing it, with my big old hands. There are too many fantastic guns at the two grand mark for this to even get close to making my wants list, it isn't out-performing guns that cost half that and have far less coffin-shaped woodwork.
Great vid, many thanks.
I hate that type if in trigger safety having a very cheap Crosman copy of a Gamo set up like that.
In Sub12 doesn't stack up for the money when you could get an HW100 or S510 for half of that.
Good shot count, great cocking lever, well made , exellent trigger , superbly accurate, even keeping things tight an extra 10 metres further than you test other guns. Its a very negative review considering its plus points. From the intro of this review I was expecting a scatter gun made out of tin foil. Other than the high price, I quite like the look of it.
I have a rapid 7 and I think that was a really fair assessment 😀
Great review Andy, i'll not be swapping my Daystate or FX anytime soon,it's certainly devisive with that stock, it really does not do it any justice at all,😐
It sounds like a fair and honest review to me Andy. Your followers expect that. If you don't like something it's good that you say so. You also called out what you like. Can't ask for more than that. Integrity counts 👍
You won't get a reply no-one ever does
@@jjwills69 it doesn't matter. I'm ok with that.
@@WayneNiles01 I've sent him info on new guns about to come out through his fb .. nothing
@@jjwills69 Stop being so needy 😂😂😂
It reall blows my mind that a sub12 gun is so loud that it requires a moderator. Great review as always!
I have to say my s410 carbine has a nasty bark with no silencer on it
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Considering these rifles heritage, Theoben if I'm not mistaken, surely they'd be at least equal to previous generations of superb products.
And that price tag.? The BSA / AA fair are getting on for half and at least there isn't a 12hr time difference to try and rectify a manufacturing fault
And while I'm on a rant (🙄) it's a crying shame that we have yet again had our engineering and design excellence farmed out, to become another country..... I've become my father 🤔
Great review as always Andy
Regards
Great honest review Andy. Certainly seems overpriced and is no looker. 3x2 made me chuckle. As for that safety, well, I have fat fingers and that safety with the light trigger is an accident waiting to happen. Such a shame your expertise has not been responded to. Once again many thanks. I look forward each Friday to your reviews.
The price of this rifle is madness. It’s more than a Swarovski scope. It costs as much as my X bolt and moderator did.
As I recall,1980's I'd guess,Theoben, pioneered a gas ram break barrel air rifle.I never had one unfortunately but I remember the advertisements for it .
I don't know, for 2 grand I'd want something a bit more aesthetically pleasing, makes the BSA R12 look like bargain if you were to put them head to head. But that's just my opinion.
Honest reveiw though and a tough gun to pigeon hole, it's neither a rather or a bench rest but looks solid, like a big plank of wood should, maybe they should approach minelli for a style overhall, or is it a gun to be fettled by the owners to fit, like a target pistol.
Best off left that side of the pond
Can't really see it being that much better than my FX to warrant such a price tag to be honest.
I love it.The only problem is that safety catch !
Morning Andy, I agree with you.
Never seen such a well-matched riser on the stock I bet a lot of the cost went there.
There are tons of great options at 2k. It's an accurate rifle.
I would rather spend my money on a original Theoben rapid 7 if i found one that hadn't been played about with as i think that thing is well over priced. Great video as always.
Appreciate your honesty. 👍
Sooooo happy to see 👀 a proper target rifle on the AAR review. Sooooo disappointed 😞 that it does not seem any more accurate than a HFT 500.
An brilliant honest review Andy keep them coming
The safety would do my nut in !
I would be very disappointed spending that much and finding the safety in a poor position ( in my opinion )
Just an observation but this was tested at 50m in sub 12 and for comparison the r12 was shot at 40m ( which was also a .22) so from a review point of view it would be nice to shoot all sub 12’s at the same distance ( though the wind which you cannot control will have a direct effect )
Hi Paul,
hold that thought, make sure your around in a week or two to see the 2nd part of the review…..shhh! stay safe, Andy
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Oh no, something else I’ve got to save up for??
It would be expensive at £700.
Can't fault your review for its honesty and balance. It's a shame that such a beautifully laminated stock has been fashioned to be so visually clunky. I'm drawing parallels with my AA HFT 500 stock, also laminated but much more aesthetic and ergonomic. Shame also that given every opportunity the manufacturer has not been responsive to you.
A very fair review, the weight alone would put me off. It may be fine on a bench but I wouldn’t want to lug it around my permissions.
I think you were fair with that review Andy.
Such a shame as the Theoban Rapid was a gorgeous thing 😢
This rifle is in a competitive price range. Looks like best in FAC but not so much sub 12fp? Safety would be an issue for me.
Chunky, expensive, accurate, I'd go for something else in that price range with a longer barrel .
Hi Andy really great and honest review of this rifle ,but costing over £ 2000 with no other accessories is a little expensive.
I wonder if they will alter the design based on your report/opinion
Hmm not my cuppa I’m afraid not at hat price …Love your reviews Andy … keep em going mate
hi,question, is it worth buying any new airgun at this present time with the not yet been anounced lead ban, i really hope it doesn't come into force but is there any point to getting a new gun? answers greatly appreciated
The hw100 bottle conversion in a shapely form stock retailing at about £1600 with extra for bag, scope etc and a single shot adapter available
What do you all in England do for a living? Paying $2k+ for a sub12 RAW seems outrageous to me.
Wow 😲 2 grand for a laminated 4x2, forget that and buy a new BSA which is pure class compared to this rifle or any other one for that matter, can't see them selling too many of these in this country,the usual use for this rifle is bench rest at the high power setting at which they do pretty well and have accumulated quite a following in the USA, but for this country my computer said no, love all your reviews Andy thanks ATB Dave
I know you cant compare apples and oranges but the price point on these rifles compared to rimfire rifles is crazy. As a theoben rapid mk2 owner I'd rather use this still over this new version.
My first thought was that it was a great way to recycle old fence posts.
Good morning Andy, on the face of it a good looking rifle ! But then it feels flat wood stock . You don't get much for your money ? The loudness is rubbish. If it was a lot cheaper! I would consider it ! Thank you Andy , fabulous review today ... Cheers Simon
Well done on a fair review Andy. Certainly trip down memory lane. Safety poor, stock pretty but to chunky for me. It's a lot of money really ok on the bench but to carry this beast around all evening and still shoot accurately mmm not for me. Cheers Garry 😎👍
This version is specifically made for aftermarket moderators. They can be purchased with an integral moderator.
Ye give me a hw10 or a r10 so much better and less than half the price keep the reviews coming Andy I really enjoy them thanks david
The original rapids are still beautiful rifles with a much nicer comfy stock. Still sought after today. The Raw was designed for the FAC market. Big internal plenum inside that block. If its got a LW polygon barrel like the FAC versions it won't be as good in sub12.
Not as keen on the stock version but love the tactical. Don’t think it’s worth the money tho
i use the tm 1000 it has no safty and is single shot whit a thimble to rotate the barrel. its 177 19 foot pounds.... i wanted a heavy gun so i even chose the steel bottle for greater weight,... i use it for bench shooting only. it really dosent get any better than this
A Minelli designed stock would improve its looks, although I think the idea was to remind buyers of its lineage. A better placed safety and a lighter bottle would improve things too. . .in my opinion anyway.
I thought the Hatsan with 4 bottles was ugly, but this beats it in ugliness.
Reasonably new to Air-gunning with an Air Arms S400 .177 with Hawke Fast Mount scope and am loving these vids, great job! Just wanted to know what tripod you are using in the field test please? Thanks!
Looks gorgeous but way too spendy for me to ever contemplate. Sounds like the stock could do with some fettling to get it more ergonomic (a custom job if you're already spending silly money) and the safety inside the trigger guard is just a bad idea. A cross-bolt safety in the same location would be far better.
I imagine in the higher calibres and power levels they'll need significantly longer barrels, making them even heavier and more unwieldy.
ANDYS rage on the range says it as he sees it spot on
for a bench rest target gun it's looks and shoots what it is
Good for you for the honesty and frankness Andy 👍🏻🍻
Very fair review Andy 👍🥸
Good review 👍...... Been there done that with rapids and never seen the appeal..... Agricultural 🤷♂️....... Carm mags are much better also 👍
yes the stock is like 2x3 like if they ran out of money the stock not a patch on old Theoben 17 or M stocks
Far too expensive for what looks to me like an unrefined rifle; if I had that kind of money I'd be down to the shops for a Daystate.
Sub-12 RAW? That’s a bit like a Yugo engine in a Testarossa Andy 😁
Absolutely. Maybe that’s why Ferrari doesn’t fit them. So why do 12 ft-lb in a RAW?
@@AAROnair Who’s on first, What’s on second, I don’t know’s on third…
hello ,1200 pound to many i find . you can get pcp `s that as accurat for less then 1200 pound
Hi Andy, thanks for the video mate, judging from your target results it's accurate, but alot of cheaper airguns can do the same , and have a proven track record. As for the safety lever, and the stock, I think they should go back to the drawing board. There's more atractive guns out there for the buyer to pick from. Cheers mate, stay safe, best wishe's to you and your's, Stuart UK.
hi its good to hear a review that tells the truth with good bad thanks m8 ian
Marmite rifle for some then? I don’t like marmite.
Fair review Andy, I’d rather spend my money on an AGT. Just as accurate, better looking, better ergonomics and plenty ££’s left over.
I had a Theoben MFR back in the day.Awsome bit of kit. Shame they are like this nowadays .
Don’t care much for the gun hear to listen to your tongue. Thanks Andy! 😎👍🏻
You know what thay say about a fool and is money.not a working class man's sport now is it nice review sir
To me it looks like a wierauch HW 100 with a form stock In my opinion
At that price point, I'd play it safe with a brand known for quality in the UK or Germany, personally.
i fancy the tactical
Very fair review Andy.
Probably a no go on the UK market at that price..
They are heading into Daystate territory which is perhaps not going to work.
At this price with old fashioned barrel probably not worth my money. Fx continume with smooth twist barrel, GRS stalk, fully adjustable and much cheaper will be my first choice.
Andy as usual is excellent when it comes to presenting a new product. Well done sir
I can assure you, an old fashioned barrel is far more reliable than those silly drinking straws.
Ugly doesn't begin to describe it , I'll keep my Walnut R-10 thanks all the same ...
Hello Andy, I do know the original Theatre Barnes and have used some so I do know they capabilities but for such a great action and barrel, my personal opinion of it is that the stock kind of spoils it.
Was the stock styled on the way they create their roads? Straight?
I met both Dave and Ben when they bought a couple of prototype Sciroccos to my local gunshop Russell Walkyer, I remember being stunned by the engineering and deep black on the metalwork. Both rifles looked identical. I had a couple of shots in the back of the shop, no open sights or fitted scope just to try, remember how different they felt to a spring gun. I did buy one of the early ones. On the subject, would I pay that much for the RAW, sorry no
i wonder what the weight difference is between the wooden and composite model.....the wooden one is nice looking but the finer details make it look like a few corners could have been rounded off a bit or a lot
No Airsoft? No BB-guns? No odd eastern nowcommers? A real air rifle! Well done Andy!
This said, it's seems to be just on par with the old Theoben, with modern features like picatinny and single load option. Safety placement is the best one available, even that many newbies don't understand why.
Overpriced in the UK, true, but not on all markets.
Well done on being honest Andy. After all, the manufacturers "should" be listening to the airgun community when it comes to R&D. Or perhaps not eh ?.
Andy you need to do a review on a Anschutz 9015. It'll be your new gold standard for a sub 12 target rifle 🙂
Hello Andy, I put off watching this video as I still have a Theoben Rapid in .20 calibre, and didn't want to hear that it's out of date. It probably is, but it's still better looking than that American take on the original idea by Ben and Dave in the time the internet forgot. I think that wood is designed for benchrest target work, that seems pretty popular over the pond and there's big money involved. As far as the magazine goes, that's a pet hate of mine, they're getting bigger and bigger which dictates the scope mounting options, fine if you're shooting prairie dogs at 100 yards but not when it's a rat 6' away.....
Yes a lot of money for that rifle.Didn’t like where the safety is and I think the lack of a moderater is poor for that money.
Well reviewed though Andy,Cheers and Atvb👍🏻😀
Great review Andy. Not sure I’m a fan of this one though. And at that price the world is your oyster really with 99% of sub 12’lb rifles.
Looks agricultural perhaps its best use is banging in fence posts with its stock.cheers Andy
£3k? No thanks - I picked up an original MK1 FAC rapid 7 for £250 and its superb and gives me all the memories i had when i bought a sub 12 one brand new just over 20 years ago!
Theoben 7 was a brilliant rifle in its day....but that thing.....who ever passed the stock design.....wants a kick up the arse
I love your honest rewiev it deffo needs a bit fetling and for the money I wouldn't want to . I'd rather get a hold of a trusty rapid 7 and have it looked at was a great gun back in the day (couple weeks ago to me )
but great honest rewiev
thanks for your hard work I know that can't of been easy .
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Hello Andy !! the 1 thing i pumpit up is the tirer of myn bycicle !!!!!! rubbisch vriend!!!!
TIME AT 9;02 the grip is made to be a thumb up for target shooting not a wrap around grip .......this grip was made for a thumb up position no wonder you dont like the grip using the grip in a hand position is was not meant for..........remeber thumb up ojn the grip
No safety catch should ever be within the trigger guard. No idea why multiple airgun companies insist on doing this? :(
Where to start, well firstly this appears to be a Marmite gun, you either love plywood stocks or hate them and shape wise it has the ergonomics of a made in the shed special. To compare this gun with the Theobens of old is an absolute travesty in appearance, price and design, three grand, laugh and having spring to mind. As for the safety switch, whilst some which are close or indeed inbuilt in the trigger are acceptable this example to me is somewhat borderline to say the least. Next up for criticism is that magazine which thirty years ago was revolutionary but today l would expect to see on a budget gun; times and development have moved on, think Air Arms, BSA, HW etc. There are some good points however they are too few to mention and customer feedback seems of little importance to this manufacturer so probably best left in the gun shop. As always a thorough, well presented and more than fair review of a gun that only begs the question why even bother to test such an overpriced gun?
Some products just make you ask "Why?"...
In Andy-speak, that's a proper pasting. He just oozed dislike from the off. I'll pass on this one.
At that price point , customers should expect excellence approaching perfection . Nonresponsive companies do themselves no favor .
it looks like someone has been whittling on that stock
So what did you speak to them about to give them a chance to change??
Was it the safety