Should Christians listen to secular music?
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2024
- Should Christians listen to secular music? From Ligonier’s 2017 National Conference, W. Robert Godfrey, Michael Horton, Stephen Nichols, and Derek Thomas weigh in on this question. When you have biblical and theological questions, just ask Ligonier. Visit ask.ligonier.org/
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Honestly as I get closer to God I don't listen to secular music nor watch much TV because it doesn't have anything for me. It doesn't edify nor feed me.
I remember few months after I became a Christian ...I deleted all the secular music....what a wonderful experience...even now...I dnt follow such ...I also have to quit watching movies
Listening to skilled musicians sing and play feeds me tremendously. Music, and the talent to play and sing it well comes from God, even if they aren't necessarily singing about Him.
Well that’s good for you if you are living a happy life. This really isn’t a solid argument for it. Paintings don’t really edify me, they don’t give me the secret to life. I just fee better when I look at it. Yet everyone has art in their house. It doesn’t do a lot. It’s just there.
@@calebgibson55 Yeah and that's his point.....it's just superficial and not edifying your spirit/your relationship with God. God comes first, everything else is secondary. It's not sin to enjoy these things but to focus on it primarily is not going to help you grow as a follower of Christ. That would be living a worldly life and Christians are called to live above that. Like you said.....it's just there. It's just a thing, nothing more.
austin willcut true!
Theres clearly a difference, my old "secular" music turns my feelings of all I once felt back to that, and while its permissible its far from edifying. I simply love biblical based songs that turn my thoughts to the incredible beauty of Christ that cause a flow of praise, joy, reminders, that cause my heart to continually bow to Him.
Amen.
You sister, absolutely get it.
That is wonderful. Seriously. Whatever it takes to maximize your relationship with God or assuage your soul. I condemn nobody, and never belittle any music that praises my Lord. Having said that, I personally find most (not all) contemporary Christian music to be banal, vanilla, pre-packaged, limited and unimaginative. I love hard rock and metal (and other kinds as well). I love thrash metal especially, but not some of the black stuff. But, the stuff I listen to feeds my soul. Bottom line, it is so nice to read your sweet spirit, but I shamelessly enjoy the music I enjoy, and I am a believer.
Music has effect on our emotional being.
The emotions can be many and varied.
The question to ask is:
What emotion is this music I’m listening too doing to my thoughts ?
Is it helping me or hindering me toward or away from right thinking?
@shanebaker Very well said.
Exactly!!
Totally agree with this comment.
Even classical music without words can be powerful and play on our emotions.
That’s my experience.
very true, this is by far the worst answer to a question I’ve heard thru Ligonier. How can one be absolutely oblivious to the trash circulating the secular airwaves?
Music cannot be categorized as sacred versus secular. Music will simply either glorify God, or it will not.
It's like saying don't play football because it doesn't glorify God
@@wolfgangamadeusmozart2476 ehh, definitely not. You can at least glorify God through football lol. Some secular music, no...
@@sovereigngrace9723 Interesting point. How does one glorify God through football?
@@emmanuelsarpong5487 through the same way Paul can glorify God through tent making. Secular things have the ability to spread God through
Did you study Music? You should
I do not want to be a hypocrite as I am struggling with it, but the proper theological answer would be NO for many different reasons: message contained in the lyrics, rhythm, and what experience it ultimately creates.
Exactly. Music contains and conveys messages. It's NOT neutral.
It either promotes the values of the world or the values of God. It glorifies the kingdom of darkness or the kingdom of light!
Btw, everyone struggles. It would only make you a hypocrite if you said what you said while you continued on a path and DIDN'T struggle!
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Stay strong brother
I agree but some secular music can help you grow closer to God.
@@johnwalker4974 that makes no sense 🤦
What do you mean bro. I believe God Can come through anything. We’re all his children so we all can honor God. That phone or computer your using is secular.
Many Christians struggle with this question. Many secular musicians are immensely talented. Secular music can be very entertaining. There are many secular songs that have catchy melodies, thoughtful insights, and positive messages. In determining whether or not to listen to secular music, there are three primary factors to consider: 1) the purpose of music, 2) the style of music, and 3) the content of the lyrics.
Is it God centered or Man centered, that is the distinction. Secular music is man centered.
What is the effect it is having on the individual as well? Don’t listen to something that stumbles you. Don’t judge someone for listening to something that doesn’t stumble them. In essentials unity, in non-essentials liberty, in all things charity. Preach the word of God, pray for others, and let the Holy Spirit do His work.
@@Truthin15 I agree, but we can not disregard the fact that art is essentially objective while carrying qualitative differences which can be deemed subjective . But nonetheless their are forms of art that project a message this is contrary to the character & nature of God. We must consider what is being communicated by the art & whether this glorifies God.
As I mature in my walk with the Lord, I really start to notice one thing that Leonard Ravenhill once said. Ravenhill didn't go to seminary; he prayed and studied the Bible for 16 hours everyday. He said one time, that men leave seminary with a swollen head and a shrunken heart. When asked the question about secular music, Dr. Derek Thomas goes off on a tangent like the question was so intellectual and it deserved an intellectual response... Look, any music which doesn't honor God or glorify God (which is called secular music) is exactly that. I used to listen to pop music like everyone else until I no longer wanted to be like everyone else. We are set aside. We aren't supposed to be like everyone else. I wanted to saturate my life with Christ and Christ only.
Your comment has inspired me to keep fighting against secular music. I want God more than anything and if so I have to saturate my life with Him as you said. Thank you! God bless you
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I went back and reread this response. This is too spot on. I was so disappointed by the "intellectual" answer that gentleman gave, and I was confused by it, actually. To me, it's as cut and dry as your response. So, thank you for your wise comment; it has inspired me and further solidified my resolve in regard to rejecting any music that does not honor the Lord and voicing that response whenever needed.
This is so well said.
Amen to your response. Took the words right out of my mouth! 100!
I think we should look at the Song of Solomon (or the Song of Songs) for this matter. This love poetry is in the bible itself and yes, it can be interpreted as an allegory, but the words, phrases, and symbolisms used are mainly poetic and romantic. My opinion on this matter is that it really depends on the lyrics of the secular music. If it's promoting sin and godlessness, then by all means, don't listen to it; but if the song's theme is about a pure romantic love, friendship, brotherhood, justice, etc., then you may enjoy this form of art. If it doesn't have lyrics like the classical music, if God may be glorified in it through your appreciation to the wonderful art of music, then we may enjoy it, too.
superb.
I am a Christian, and have been a professional musician for over 40 years. The only music I like is heavy metal. I would never want heavy metal in a worship service, because in heavy metal, it's ALL about the technical abilities of the musicians, not about the words. I don't know the words to a single heavy metal song, and neither do most heavy metal fans. In worship, the music itself should be simple, with three-chords and a straight-forward 4/4 beat (the kind of music I despise) so that the message comes through without the technical abilities of the musician taking the spotlight. I play heavy metal because, as a musician, no other music is as challenging and skill-building. When I play at church, I play as I did when I was a beginner, so that I draw no attention to myself. It's not about me, it's about Jesus.
Agreed. I assume you're familiar with pastor Bob Beeman?
I would say that most metal fans DO know the words, especially thrash metal. Maybe not death, but certainly thrash.
But the riffs are the most important!
Great comment.
I love this comment! Church music is about the words, the music should be simple folk music, whatever that means for that particular group of believers.
I know the lyrics to many metal songs...Christian and secular.
In my honest opinion. God cares it matters. He cares about every aspect of our life. Because what you listen to really does get inside of you after awhile we allow spirits in. Be very careful about what you watch/listen to it was definitely hard to let go, but I’m glad he allowed me to be on the right track 🙌
I feel the answer to this question lies in Romans 14:14-23. There are those who feel freedom, by the Spirit, to praise in accordance to one style or another. There are those who are not free to express themselves, in the Spirit, by that same means. One style, or labeling, may lead one to praise while that same style may even seem demonic or of the enemy. For one, who may feel a "maturity" (using the language focusing on foods in Romans 14:14-23) in contemporary worship music - "Christian" music, another may not like all the instruments and it may draw them away from God in their hearts. I believe the real division occurs between that which is inspired by the Holy Spirit, and is indwelled by the Spirit, compared to man's attempt to use words and rhythms and instruments that they feel emotionally draws them into praise. A secular song, without any cursing or focus on the carnal, may lead one into a state of worship. But the real focus of Romans 14:14-23 is the edification of all in a corporate setting of worship or fellowship. If it builds up all in Christ, then it is beneficial to all in Christ. If a brother or sister stumbles, because of their lack of maturity in acceptance of another's level of faith or style of music (as Paul was using a believer's approval in eating all versus a new convert from Judaism, into Christianity, used to the old requirements of the law still fresh in the flesh of that believer), then it is detrimental to that new believer's walk. We are all at different stages of our faith. As I have grown deeper in my own walk, and stepping away from the world, I see more of the carnal in "Christian" music and different expressions by different artists. I have actually drawn away from music and do not require the music for praise like I used to. Prayer, and the Word, draws me into a worshipful state and I am overwhelmed at the presence of God around and in me. The Holy Spirit fills me with awe and wonder of the Father and Jesus Christ. It's just changed for me over the years.
I applaud these men tackling this ? and addressing the fact that 'some' so called Christian music is actually contrary to what the Bible says..< they didn't actually say that however..its evident if you hear some Christian songs .....I do not listen to the radio because the Christian songs played, have no appeal to me when they are sung in a sultry, bar atmosphere with lyrics that could be easily transferred to a lover.....GIVE me the old Puritans songs of Christ adoration and praise...that feeds my soul with sheer delight for my Savior!!!
Yes same here.
"for the loved not the light and neither came not to the light"
It is unfortunate that many people want to share in the life of christ but do not want to forsake their worldly lusts.
Yeah, they want to get to the promised land without letting Egypt!
Secular music is music performed by people who do not know GOD. Christian Music is music performed by Christians who truly know and love GOD.
you are a nightmare
MyKeeP81 Slayer is secular if not controversial as hell. However, Tom Araya is very very Christianity and promotes it,
Secular music is music composed by the world for the world, and promotes worldly values, such as lust, sex, romantic feelings, despair, suicidal and homicidal desires and leanings, and other worldly things.
Sacred music promotes God, proclaims gratitude for His love, care, salvation; glorifies His person and His Word, and more.
Somehow, it seems that Christians sing both kinds, but nonChristians sing only the world's music.
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@@judylloyd7901 I respectively disagree because not all worldly music does that and some Christian artists are doing that to make MONEY. My bad if I sounded mean.
Not trying to be mean but not all Christian music is good. Sometimes they just want MONEY, sorry. Some wordly music also has good messages. I listen to songs with positive messages.
I'm a Christian myself, but i do enjoy those anthems, marches, and war time songs. I love them
From now on secular music off
Jesus and God music on. May God help me to switch off TV and movies, soaps and operas
I want to know, hear God alone
I agree even thought there are some secular songs that help me grow closer to God like Nf Oh Lord and Instrumentals.
I am still listening to 80s songs like Best of Bee Gees, Carpenters, and Dionne Warwick. But, they are right that it's all about priority.
I agree.
The comments below in favor of a holy God that demands his music to be as holy, was more edifying than the video itself.
I agree.
Absolutely!! I'm not sure if the speaker was thinking about the messages conveyed by the music, via the lyrics.
Music isn't neutral. If it's written by worldly people it will have a worldly message. If written by Christians it should convey a God-glorifying message!
@@judylloyd7901 I agree. I just want to say that not all Christian music is honoring him.
Am I free to listen to secular music? Yes. Is it beneficial for me to do so? Perhaps not. I am at liberty to do alot of things, that doesn't mean I should. The care and nuture of my soul (to the glory of God and in obedience to the scriptures, and to the care and encouragement of my brother's/sister's faith, and to the responsibility of my witness) must be taken seriously, and account for the reasons why I do or refrain from doing certain things. It is not a law, but a concious decision made by the light and instruction of scripture. For anyone to make this subject a light matter, is to make light of the responsibility they have to glorify God in whatsoever they do.
1 Cor. 10:23; 31-33.
1Pet. 2:16
It is not simply a matter of doing or not doing - but the "why" behind it.
Well said WK. We are call to 'Liberty', not to do what we like but what we ought.
Amen
Music is powerful. Take care of what you let into your head, it will stay there forever. That's why jesus said "i will not set one evil thing before mine eye"
Watch the documentary "they sold their souls for rock n roll" by pastor joe Schimmel. Or listen to the Interview with john todd.
I agree. Words can affect us greatly, especially when set to music.
Btw, where do you find that quote?
I don't think Jesus said it 😊😊
@@judylloyd7901 Psalm 101:3
I don't listen to pop Christian music at all due to it being largely non Christian.
@Fred Slawson, yes, it it very sensual, especially the songs by the women. There's a whorish quality to most of these women that disturbs me. The Bible calls them "strange" in Proverbs.
@@Psalm_27.4 can you share an example of a Christian pop singer who seems "whoreish"? I'm confused as to which artists you believe create Christian music that is largely non Christian
I am a Christian myself. But I still listen to R&B classics from the 1970's. Stevie Wonder and Earth Wind and Fire.
Repent amigo!
Psalm 1.
Don't walk in the path of the ungodly.
Repent and turn away from that.
You are free in your blood bought liberty to listen to music that you want to. If it directly is restricted by God in Scripture, it is best to part ways with it, but if it’s just something to bob your head to and you marvel at how God is so good that he not only saved you, but He ordained you to live in a time where you’d be able to listen to Earth Wind and Fire.
Some may be convicted that it’s sin foe them. They have no biblical authority to declare its sin for you. When you listen, be aware that God Himself is the one who provides every good thing: every sip of coffee, every sunset, every good song. Let that be the place where you listen from, with that in mind. A weaker brother may stumble with something, it doesn’t mean it’s sin for you. But just make sure to not use Gods grace as a license to sin.
@@joelparadanavarro2102 James defines sin as "transgression of the Law." What part of the Law has Mykle Hicks violated?
I adore The Beatles, Cat Stevens, Eric Clapton and Motown and the Blues but my HEART belong to Jesus!
If my LIFE belongs to God, then so do my ears!
I have listed all the music I listen to up to God, whether it be Praise or "Pop" music, and as long as the lyrics aren't sexual, violent or against the teachings of God in any way then I have no issue and there is nothing wrong with "secular" music per se!
You are correct.
This is Psalm 150...
150 Praise ye the Lord. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.
2 Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness.
3 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.
6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord. Praise ye the Lord.
Now, did Satan create drums and cymbals and guitars? I would say no! Psalm 150 declares that we should praise God with all sort of instruments. Because of this truth, I do listen to all sorts of worship music.
What does St. Paul, teacher of us Gentiles, have to say folks?
"8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things"
Philippians 4:7-8 (KJV)
Earnestly contending for the faith Amen!
Thank you :)
For many certain songs I often hear an amazing parallel between what people sing about in regard to Love and Relationship with one who has Come to Know the LORD ..some songs sound like a person is singing about Christ when in fact they are not. I find it amazing to hear at times. I do listen to some music between sermons on long walks that helps in Pondering and Musing (chewing) on what I'm hearing from SermonAudio ..and these songs, though not 'sacred' often have Meaning regardless. It's not so much how 'they intended it to mean' but how I take it. The LORD's Grace is on and with all, so who knows -- we can hear Him Speak through various means even if others are not aware of it - in that way they are Serving His People and they are not even aware of it. The B52s for example have many songs that could 'almost' be taken as 'Christian' yet they are not -- it's baffling and amazing to hear ...even like a song by Whitney Houston , 'How will I know if He really loves Me?"...I listened to it over and over again and it's as if she is singing about THe LORD..the lyrics totally work..songs by the B52s like 'Communicate"...other songs are just silly and fun...The LORD knows...I do stray totally from heavy metal now ...the heavy metal groups like Metallica and Megadeath...well, Dave mustaine seems to be more than well acquainted with EVIL..he seems to admit it, though claims to have been converted...nonetheless, I ditched all heavy metal in one day (including Aerosmith who is especially evil)
I think we can enjoy any music, be it, Country, Pop, Rock, Hip-hop, Rap, Indie, Jazz, Metal, Oldies, Rhythm to Blues or any, without getting attracted or giving importance to the bad lyrics used, unless it's very awkward and violent. Some of today's world music have great meaningful lyrics too. There are worship songs and hymns, lyrics of which are contrary to Biblical basic doctrines too. Also people have different tastes for different kinds of music. Respect everyone's taste.
But they are saying even the beat of the music. percussions, guitars can be just as bad as the lyrics.
@@nicolaypastore just chiming in, I’ve watched this video twice and haven’t heard ANYONE say that. The focus is lyric. As stated in the beginning, sound and silence is music. Psalm 33:3
the last bit was the answer we were looking for, when answering questions relating to living as an ambassador of the cross, it is not enough to just mention our experiences, it is especially important to answer relating to the word that we have solid revelation from.
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Does the song remind you of childhood summers of long ago? Does the song delight you about your mother or father? Does the song make you smile about a friend? Some songs are aggressive. Some songs are passive. Still other songs are in your face suggestive. What song in your heart inspires your love for a spouse? I have heard secular songs that are dishonorable and honorable. I have heard songs in the house of the Lord that captivate who He is and others as bland and superficial as dust on a shelf. We drive cars built by secular people. We are served in restaurants by secular waiters with the food prepared by secular chefs. Am I to cease and abate the phenominal playing skills of Roy Clark playing Malegueana? Do we stop singing Happy Birthday to family because it may not give God some glory?
Well said
I think the better question is: What is the spirit behind the music? The reason I say that is because both classical music as well as opera can get me worshiping God because the music is so incredibly beautiful. Then there is other music that doesn't inspire worship, but is so much fun--innocent fun! And as I sing along I thank God for giving me this enjoyment. On the other hand, there is music that is demonic and I want nothing to do it.
I'm in the instrumental phase. You can have feelings of nostalgia by listening to the instrumental only without those explicit lyrics.
I feel like he's obfuscating the question just to sound intelligent. He knew what was meant by "secular" music.
No he's saying music is music. Discernment is what we need
@@sherriewallace2001
Which is what I wish he had just said.
I think it's a honest struggle to clarify, after all there is a difference between old hymns and popular Christian music
The main distinction is whether secular music is simply anything not explicitly christian, or music that in some way expresses secular views or values. That’s probably what he was grasping at but didnt land on completely.
A Christian Should Be Seeking and Listening to Jesus..Not to a bunch of pompous men spouting their own opinions..as if they were God!
kathleen Wharton Amén
Sounds like the same logic used by many today who say 'I dont need to attend church'.
Exactly
They may be spouting their own opinions, but you cannot possibly know their hearts and what their attitude is concerning who they think they are.
And don't be too religious about the speakers we should or shouldn't be listening to. Preachers preach the Word of God, and we need to hear it.
These men are discussing many topics that it would benefit the body of Christ to attend to.
Blessings to you 😊
Judy Lloyd
Jesus is the Only One Who Teaches you Truth. He saved me from these Prideful Men who teach you their own selected bible verses that are NOT what Jesus Said to Teach. Jesus Teaches Kingdom Principles which you Need. Men teach you man crap. Jesus Saved me from them.
it depends on the music. for instance, twinkle twinkle little star is fine, but WAP would not be the type of music to listen to. be careful not to fall into the trap of the pharasie.
When King Saul was being he harassed by spirits, he had David Play Music for him with the main purpose of Relaxing/Calming him out. Note NOT to Glorify God.
This was never painted as a Sin or as Wrong
Thank you for pointing this out!!
What does St. Paul, teacher of us Gentiles, have to say folks?
"8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things"
Philippians 4:7-8 (KJV)
Why should I not be able to enjoy good music? Why should I not be able to appreciate the talent of a skilled musician just because he isn't part of my little church club? A musician's talent is God given, whether he uses it in a Christian setting or not.
You can enjoy it, no where in the Bible does it forbid it but does any of it edify your relationship with God or help you grow as a Christian? I still listen to a little secular but the majority of it is Christian music, I try to stay focused on Jesus as much as possible and trust me.....you will mature more as a Christian when you do this and put God first in your life. Everything else can be enjoyed but it shouldn't be your main focus while you're still here. We have to be careful not to let these things become our idols. It's very simple.
Don Mcc because religion wants to dictate and control peoples lives. I listen to a ton of brutal metal bands, yet I’m still a person who had humility and be good to other people. Don’t let people bring you down. Music is music
Don Mcc; every talent everyone has is a gift from God. But worldly people don't acknowledge that, nor do they use their talents and lives to honour and glorify God.
Music is not neutral. It comes from different sources and conveys different messages. Don't expect the world's music to contain anything Godly.
Secular music inspiration came from hell. They do their witchcraft to receive the melody and lyrics
@@joselima8959 Yeah, cool story. But, we live in the real world, not storybook time.
I am a Christian but i still listen to music from this world.
But it depends where the singer is singing about.
Music from this world has a lot of messages that are biblecal.
You mean songs. A song has 3 components: music, style and lyrics. Beware of the obvious lyrics. Whatever is excellent, whatever is true, etc by Apostle Paul is fine.
You can't follow God and the world
@@graciek3696 She didn't say that she was following the world. Plus some Christian songs are just as bad as the ones singing about drugs.
The question should be "Is music amoral?"
No. David Clout or David Cloud answered and demonstrated it
Just as we live in this world but, not of it (Romans 12:2) there is a distinction in music as it should be in our lifestyle as Christians. This world is not our home, we are just passing through. (Philippians 3:20). Satan was once in heaven praising God but, he wanted to be God and fell (Luke 10:18) from Heaven. He is now the prince of the power of the air (Ephesians 2:2) satan is the god of this world. If the music is not glorifying God it is secular. If the music is not drawing you closer to God then it is ungodly. I would also say that listening to secular music shows your depth in God. When you have been truly changed on the inside, you wouldn't want to hear anyting but Christian music. If the music is not exhorting or edifying it's not Christian music. While there is a lot of music" masquerading" as Christian music your spirit man should (if you're sensitive to the Spirit) will tell you that that is a counterfeit. Above all else, pray and ask God to show you. Lyrics and sound, don't be confused is a dead give away. Satan knew what praising God was about, he was there. He now influences the world, why not music. If you want to go up higher in Christ, get rid of the musical garbage going in; you will feel the difference. Is the music feeding the flesh or the spirit? Being born again we are a new creations in Christ. We should want to put away that old lifestyle and embrace the new. (2nd Corinthians 5:17). All the different genres of music that we are hearing on this Earth, will not be heard in Heaven... Only the music that glorifies God. He is a holy God.
I agree but God can come through anything. Not all Christian music is good. That’s why it’s good to have balance. There’s some good secular songs that honor God.
Lot of the R&B singers got their start in the church.
If you dnt have the holy spirit, you can't worship God even if you are singing a gospel song cause worship is very spiritual
Absolutely. Jesus said that His Father seeks those who worship Him in spirit and truth. 😊😊
Excellent discussion!
we should be careful about judging fellow christians on what music they listen to. i still listen to classic rock and new wave for the music and dance not about lyrics.
This is a train wreck!!! Normally I'm watching these videos jumping up and down in agreement. I normally have excitement there are still people in the world, but separated from it who are willing to take a hard Biblical stand on issues the church is facing. This time I saw a bunch of guys worried about preaching to the itching of men's ears. Wow...just wow. I personally think someone at Ligonier should read the comments below and come back at this issue with another more spiritual approach to the answer. They should also consider taking this video down. It's very spiritually misleading.
You're wrong, and a pietist.
@@bobtaylor170 Wow...just wow. I could say you're wrong and a liberal, but I won't. That'd be rude like someone I may or may not be replying to. I stated my opinion therefore I'm not wrong. So, chill a bit. Read many other comments. They have the same feelings I do. Also, Bob (see I can call you by your name...not with a label) be careful. The Bible teaches us to not cause offense. You pretty much did. One more thing...a pietist is actually a pretty good thing. As someone else wrote on this video, I'm not wrong. There are songs which honor God and songs which don't. These men preached to the itching of men's ears with their lack of a true Biblical answer.
@@JayWC3333 My only question is do you take that into everything else you do. I would say secular music doesnt edify but it isn't terrible so long as you stay away from most modern music. Do you apply this to the rest of your life or just music? Do you work at the church or constantly witness to people at your job? Do you have a hobby that doesnt directly edify you in a Godly way? Honestly if you dont do unedifying activities more power to you man that's really good dedication and I wont take that from you.
@@logansweet4190 - I have sincerely tried to have this be consistent throughout the fabric of my life. If we're supposed to reflect Jesus, anything which gets in the way distorts the world's view of him.
@@JayWC3333 More power to you. I would put that on the level of the puritans not even going to the theatre. I dont think that is required and so I would cause a huge gripe so long as people weren't listening to the obviously terrible and degrading stuff chalk full of sin, but if you listen to classical music, watch the Andy Griffith show, or play video games that dont have sex and the violence isn't graphic I dont feel I'm in the position to judge. That's my position, but I wont take away from your desire to be as pure as possible and I could honestly probably learn from it.
music is music thats the most ridiculous statement cause not all music is the same, not all music worships GOD
No music worships God. Worship is words, not sounds.
So what if it doesn't directly worship God? It celebrates, at its greatest, the best sentiments: romantic love, a recognition of beauty, the dignity of humanity.
@@bobtaylor170 "so what if it doesn't worship God"? You made the case for the team you're arguing against. Thanks.
@@JayWC3333
The whole point is that no music worships God, any more than hamburgers and milkshakes worship God. God is worshipped in spirit and in truth. Musical instruments do not possess spirits, and music notes do not convey any truth, or contain any doctrine or theology.
@@bobtaylor170 are you serious I really hope your not a Christian, what the world calls love and what GOD calls love are two totally different things.
If im listening to a song that uplifts me why would that be bad? Songs with cuss words I understand but if im listening to LoFi which relaxes me and helps me with stress why would God want me to not fell that relaxation?
You can listen to that as long as it is not negative.
The deeper your walk, the more things just fall away. No burning records, just a passing away as they no longer speak to where you are, whether emotionally or spiritually. Time capsules, perhaps, but no longer a present help.
G'day, gentlemen! At 2:25, there is a comment about not wanting opera in the church service. This was the same restriction J.S. Bach was given when he was writing music for church services back in the 1700's. He did not write any operas, however his St. Matthew Passion and St. John Passion were just as dramatic and impactful as any opera, perhaps more so since they dealt with the Passion of our Lord. Bach dedicated all of his compositions Soli Deo Gloria (to the glory of God alone), the focus and goal of his music. The cantata and oratorio are acceptable media for the writings in Scripture.
I’ve always wondered about music that is sexual in nature in terms of it being used within the confines of marriage- of course excluding songs talking about club hookups, strippers, swinging or anything promoting any other form of adultery. And to be clear, I’m speaking of it being used as a tool to help “set the mood”.
As for “secular” music, I believe it depends. Some music is secular in the sense that it’s not inherently “Christian” in it’s lyrical nature, but it’s also not promoting anything sinful. Some songs express stories, emotions, experiences and are simply informative in nature rather than persuasive.
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Hey tqs for the vid. I am a 13yrl gospel singer songwriter I just want to know that is it okay if we can write secular songs
As long as it has good messages!
I listen to secular music all the time, and i fast everyday. I try to listen to respectful music, what stands out of me when listening to music is voice control and the instrumental part. If it doesnt damage the mindset or mentality in negative ways, then why not. Hiphop isnt good, but POP and RNB is awesome.
Music has the ability to undermine your morals, it can lead to a trance like repetition of words that can be immoral and anti God whether that be intentional or not. I'm increasingly listening to instrumental music because of subliminal lyrics/techniques.
What message does it convey??
No words? Perhaps it is a pretty safe option.
If I listen to many rock tracks they express interest in formication, in drug abuse etc I think if we listen to it on a regular basis it can only lead to harm. Hence I'm listening to more instrumental music.
First I'd like to thank Ligonier Ministries for all these videos. They are an essential part of my education in my Christian faith.
Regarding the question of secular music I would have to ask what music? Does the music one listens to inspire their higher feelings or merely speak to their baser instincts.
And in the realm of Christian music, is the presentation in accord with Christian values of modesty and chasteness. I once attended a Sunday service where a band performed truly terrible amplified rock music, with supposed Christian lyrics, where the guitar player did continual pelvic gyrations worthy of Elvis.
I would also say that the congregation singing hymn together is an important and integral part of the Church experience. All of us raising our voices to God (no matter how badly out of tune) is important. A musical warm-up act is not.
@Ceed Leaving one's church is a highly personal decision and requires much prayer. And certainly one needs to speak with one's pastor and perhaps the deacons.
That said, I don't believe that Jesus needs a warm-up act. And I don't attend church to be entertained, but to be educated and share the Lord. Churches that do otherwise remind me of the Pharisees and hypocrits.
@Ceed But leaving silently would likely cause even more drama, as folks will make up all kinds of reasons. And speaking to your pastor can only be a good thing. I doubt you are the only member feeling less than comfortable with these changes.
And of course ask Jesus for His guidance.
Dear Friends
Even our teachers can make mistakes. Personally, I'm doing much better having removed a lot Worldly music. By Worldly, I mean music that promote the very things God hates. Same for TV shows, movies and series along with social media.
Like Paul said, it's not the external does and don'ts that makes right with the Lord but his grace alone. However, he also warned very strongly against loving the very things that word loves. It's up each and their heart before God. In my experience closer I get to God the hard it becomes to listen to most of the worldly music. Let's not hypocritical nor judgemental about it though.
Regards
Best comment I’ve read so far. God bless you man.
For those who are of the opinion that we should not listen to secular music, should we also forbid watching “secular movies”? At what point do we stop the “cut-off” from the things of the world? Genuinely asking, not debating.
U should just sit in a box and anything u like that doesnt have God in it ur automatically a sinner and u hate God, this is literally no different than saying u shouldnt eat potato chips because Gods not in potato chips
I wonder the same too, because I struggle with knowing where the line/cut-off is.
Letting go of the world is impossible as long as there are things we enjoy and if the truth be known there are always things we take pleasure in. Often the Gospel is treated as an all or nothing way of life, therein lies the danger.
He doesn't know the difference between Christian music and secular music? Really? Wow!
James Adkins - Er, no. He's challenging the entire notion and basically posing the question 'What makes a sound, or collection of sounds, so-called Christian or so-called secular?' You assume passive ignorance in his response (a passive 'I don't know the difference...') when it is actually an active challenge (an active 'I don't think you can say a sound is 'Christian' or 'secular', can you?'). So, can you?
@@Mic1904 If it's a song that's nothing about God, I would call that secular. I think when people ask that question they are wanting to know if it's ok for Christians to listen to country or rock and roll, as opposed to gospel songs.
@Erik The Existor Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? 😥
@@bobbyadkins6983 I understand that, but my point stands - he's challenging that whole notion of what you or others might arbitrarily call 'Christian' or 'secular' music. I get it, I understand your position, but it's something that Derek Thomas here is (legitimately, in my opinion) questioning.
Christian music is music directed to God for God's glory. Its praising and worshiping God in spirit and in truth. Joh 4:23 A time will come, however, indeed it is already here, when the true (genuine) worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth (reality); for the Father is seeking just such people as these as His worshipers. So christian music is about God
Secular music is for the enjoyment of the flesh and about people and their emotions and feelings and experiences. Secular music is anything that does not glorify and focus on worshiping God.
Christians are called to worship God because according to the bible, christians belong to God and obey the word of God.
Who was it who gave humans emotions?
@@donmcc6573 God did but that's not the point, secular music is mainly human focused or about serving/worshipping ourselves and man, not God. There's a big difference. Why waste our time glorifying ourselves when we should be spending our time glorifying God? Most secular music nowadays just focuses on money, politics, drugs, depression, war, problems, violence, and never God even though He's the only real answer/solution to all of what I listed. Can secular music tell a non believer about salvation and finding it in Jesus which is far more important than getting money or petty politics of the day? Nope, so what good is secular music besides feeding the flesh? It's useless, it's just shallow entertainment that helps no one in the long run, Christian music preaches the Gospel and can help people finally turn to God. It's night and day. Heaven should be every human beings goal here, not this temporary world. I'm not legalistic and saying all secular music is bad or sin but honestly......what use does it have besides being art or entertainment for humans?
@@austinwillcut4919 What is wrong with just being able to enjoy beautiful music? God created music and he gave the talent that so many people have to play and sing it well. You say "most" secular music is this or that. Well, have you done an exhaustive study to prove that? I listen to many different types of music. I hear songs about life, love family, nature, etc..... Most secular music is not about Satan and selfishness. God is watching us, saying, I gave you this beautiful gift called music, and you keep calling it "worldly." It must break His heart.
@@donmcc6573 It's all about the focus. Worldly music is focused on self, and what makes self happy. Godly music is focused on God, and what makes Him happy.
Godly men in the past have addressed the issue of godly pastimes and how we please God, (or not). It's profound, but most Christians today would probably mock their views and their values.
@@judylloyd7901 I reject the idea that there is any such thing as "worldly" music. You pluck a string, blow air through a tube, strike a surface with a stick, and it produces a tone. Is that tone secular or sacred? If Bill Gaither plays a C chord, and Elton John plays a C chord, it is the same C chord. There are definitely people who put vile words into songs, but the words are not the music. The music is innocent. It is neutral. And it only exists because God created it.
I think certain things that used to give us meaning and entertainment and feeding like music are some of the hardest to give up especially when they don't align with the direction God wants to lead us. I used to LOVE Alicia keys, but as I grow more and more in my walk with God, I realize that the content of the music does not feed my soul. I need a lot more feeding from God than I do from anything else, and anything that doesn't feed my spirit inadvertently trips me or has the potential to lead me away from my pursuit of God.
This is a really hard one truly, but I think it's just another item on tbe list of things Jesus calls us to die to - our old selves.
Spot on!
Why should the devil have all the good music?
Quote from Martin Luther, right?
@@lindacowles756 wrong. Larry Norman.
There is no sound style that is inappropriate for Worship, or the Christian community. There are lyrics that are inappropriate, the message matters. But, CHRISTCentric and Shai Linne are wonderful examples of hip-hop that are absolutely GOD Glorifying and fit for Doxology in the CHRISTian 'Community', even in †he Assembly of †he Saints! Please check them out
Whatever a person allows to occupy his mind will sooner or later determine his speech and his actions. This is the premise behind Philippians 4:8 and Colossians 3:2, 5: establishing wholesome thought patterns. Second Corinthians 10:5 says we should “take captive every thought and make it obedient to Christ
It has absolutely everything to do with growth and our intimate walk with our Heavenly Father. As we mature and seek Him more, the less you are influenced by the things of the world. We're all at different stages and that's how it goes.. Keep seeking truth.
Are they sitting in Christian chairs?
When they admire the classical genre of naval paintings, do they make sure the boats all have a cross?
That said, it is a factor, and some art is hostile to virtue and even to Christianity itself.
The main distinction is whether secular music is simply anything not christian, or music that in some way explicitly expresses secular views or values.
Remember who was the initial choir master: The Devil.
Music either glorifies God and speaks of His greatness and stands on His Word or it doesn’t.
@Ceed Check it against what Scripture says
Amen
The first question should be what is a Christian? Christianity has led too many adherents to disconnect from life. I think Christianity is too narrow in what it espouses to be good milk/meat.
I am here listening to an orchestra of birds in my garden and that is awesome. Is that secular music?
Are birds Christian?
Would you ever have a recording of this in a church service?
I think not.
The Holy Spirit helps to recognize what brings Him glory.
I just listen to the music that I enjoy and that's that
Everything is permissible for me"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"--but I will not be mastered by anything. "Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"--but God will destroy them both. 1 Corinthians 6
Orthodox Christianity says that you can listen everything if it doesn't swear or talking in general about bad things like drugs etch.
What about these two songs:
SD Laika - Great God Pan
Sickick - GOMD
There is an evil spirit that can make you feel ashamed of the older music, there for people like to fit in with the rock and roll which will make the rock and roll people identify with you in music listening, There's a lot of churches that like to wipe out the older music all together ,And go with the newer style. That sounds more like rock and roll, and you must wonder if there is an evil spirit behind that, If there isn't why would people not just listen to both, As soon as you go with the older music people will laugh at you and mock you and ridicule you,The reason is because it's too Godly .Because Satan likes to make you feel ashamed of doing something good, That's just the way I feel about it, As soon as it sounds more like a rock and roll nobody will make fun of you because you meet them halfway at their side, however I do think it should be the other way around.
lol isn't rock and roll considered old music. Hip hop and pop has been the modern day music for a while now. What region of the world are you from?
We shouldn’t depend on Gurus to determine the already determined. Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
Absolutely. And to walk in the Spirit is to saturate one's mind and heart with the things of God and Christ, and to not be polluted by the world. 😊😊
.....WE should ask ourselves , if YAHshua "jeSUS" would sit down with you , and if HE were to ask you to play your favorite Entertainment for Him and yourself to listen or watch together ??? what would it be ???? whatever is the answer, that is what we should be watching or Listening to :) HE as His HOLY SPIRIT is watching and Listening to what we are doing ....is HE PLEASED ???......WHAT WOULD YAHshua the MessiYAH do ????
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Say nothing I would not like God to hear
Do nothing I would not like God to see
Write nothing I would not like God to read
Go no place where I would not like God to find me
Read no book which I would not like God to say, Show it to Me
Never spend my time in such a way that I would not like to have God say, "What are you doing?”
I dont know where I found this but I copied it into a google drive sheet & ur comment reminded me of it.
@@MansterBear One of the best comments I've ever read on UA-cam.
Personally I disagree with any questions or statements about whether Christians should or should not do things, obvious sin excepted. I have heard people say things like Christians should not get Insurance. When someone suggested this to me I replied that without insurance there would be no Business, and they just shrugged their shoulders. Like the question of eating or not eating meat, we are to make our own decisions according to our own conscience and before the Lord. Obviously if a song contains anti-Christian lyrics the believer will be sinning to listen to it. But secular music in itself is not something that one Christian can tell another one that he shouldn't listen to it. The word 'should' is a word that needs to be handled with care.
I only listen to some Christian music or music that spreads good message
So, if secular and christian music are bad, we're not allowed to listen to any types of music at all ? (Hip-Hop, Rock, Metal)
I'd be careful, especially with those genres you've listed. Those are the highest category that include ungodly messages, satanic agenda, and witchcraft, and the things of this world. In other words, it's much harder to discern with those categories you've listed. I'm still trying to find the answer as well, but based off what I've seen or heard, those categories contain the highest messages listed above. It's hard to find music within those categories that don't contain harmful messages.
@@Heavenes I understand your point. What i was trying to say was according to this video, there's no such thing as Christian music. So, again, if secular and christian music are bad, we're not allowed to listen to any types of music at all ?
@@Man.OfGod1996 That's what I'm trying to find out too. I do listen to rock, but I am leaning towards it being something I shouldn't. It isn't all heavy rock so the lyrics aren't what typical rock talks about, but it does have a more sad sound to it and sometimes the songs are just about stories.
I haven’t heard the whole thing yet but music certainly effects you.
How you gonna love God then listen to music that sings about drugs and killing and shaking the behind and what not?
That music effects how you think.
In the last couple weeks I’ve cut it out and feels different to not hear it.
There’s plenty of music that talking about things that are not ungodly.
Absolutely
Your definitely right. I feel way more peaceful since removing a lot of music off my phone
*Music is programming, and programming with intelligible lyrics, whether now or in the future, is even more of an influence.* We have to guard our hearts and minds in Christ.
While everything (to an extent) is permissible, not everything is edifying--or good for oneself for that matter--whether towards yourself or towards others, especially the body of/bretheren in Christ.
Amen. Hence why I started listening to southern gospel music, for it is beautiful and not too beautiful
Personally, I stick with classical music like Schubert, Mozart, Bach, Beethoven, etc. I also have to admit I like techno and electronic music. Most of the other music today holds no interest to me. Discretion is important thing to consider when listening to any type of music.
I'm sorry but it's hard for me I'm addicted to oldies. I hate today's generation of music. But I grew up listening to 70s and 80s music. Breaking away from oldies is a struggle for me. I do listen to a lot of worship and Christian music but when I am stressed out or need something upbeat oldies is my go to. Pray for me.
Music was invented by the angels to honor G'd. Before the fall Lucifer was the angel in charge of the heavenly choir. After that he fell with a third of the angels. Now he uses his talents on the other side to kill, steal and destroy also through music and other avenues.
Music was invented by God, for God, as was everything else He created.
Music can glorify God; just like eating, sleeping, drinking, and whatever (non-sinful) activities we do can be done to the glory of God, even mundane things. But of course, if a song ventures into sinful territory, it’s clearly sinful. And there’s nothing inherently sinful about a tune (that I’m aware of); if a Christian makes a tune, and a pagan makes the same tune, does it become sinful now because a pagan made it? What about if a song is made in the same style as songs in the world? Obviously certain hymns and stuff borrowed from the musical styles of their times; for example, guitars and violins didn’t always exist, yet we use them in many songs we play, even in church. Martin Luther was no musician as far as I know, yet he took the popular songs and tunes of his day, and repurposed them with rich, theological lyrics. Most people would still play these songs in their church, like “A Mighty Fortress is Our God” (who doesn’t like that one?), and we have no problem with them. Another example would be the difference between the Psalms and the hymns we have today. While I’m sure the style and tunes of the Psalms didn’t sound like our songs and hymns today, does that make them sinful? Of course not. So if a sound isn’t inherently sinful, and words aren’t always sinful, are songs that aren’t necessarily intended to be sung during corporate worship sinful? Well, not always. The thing that could be sinful would be the lyrics, which is true of (as I understand it) most popular secular music. So we should avoid them when their lyrics are actually sinful. But in situations where there may be a stylistic difference, or the words are about (non-sinful) things, I think we have the freedom to listen to them. I love listening to classical and some instrumental songs from video games while I study, and it’s just music I love listening to. It makes my work/study time a little more enjoyable and there’s nothing sinful about “Summer” by Vivaldi, for example. It’s just art that I can use to glorify God (whether I always succeed in glorifying Him in all that I do is a different question of course 😅).
I would say that music is a very strong emotional vehicle. With a lyrical additive.. Words have power.. So, the old adage comes to mind."Garbage in, garbage out".. At the end of the day, if it doesn't honor, or edify God. It's a true waste of a believers time to listen..
Ditto
Philippians: 4:8
Think on these things.
No you shouldn’t. Just a short response but Saul had David play music for him when he felt a certain type of way, so music isn’t just music. It’s more spiritual than anything
I think as Christians we should focus more on being good people and helping each other instead of debating If secular music is a sin or not. It’s nothing christian If we don’t Listen to music,we don’t watch TV,we don’t dance,we don’t party,we cover up 100% and we are full of jealousy in our hearts,we are selfish,we are rude.
I personally Listen to secular music,especially Pop,hip hop and R&B and I don’t think it makes me Any less Christian.
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May God forgive you sister, yes God is Love but also God is Holly, Holly, Holly.
If love the world you’re God’s enemy
(It’s right or left) you can not be in two parts.
Seek God with all your heart, mind and soul..
@@StopDropAndLetGo i was going to type something similar to this sister but thank you for helping, its obvious she is lost if she gets the lyrical content of some songs she would not be stating such ....
David-Killed-Goliat OneShot oh my gosh you people are actually crazy. You just said shes God’s enemy because she likes a song!!! You must be Gods enemy because you’ve played monopoly and that glorifies the love of money.
The Bible has 150 Christian songs that are neglected by most congregations including Thomas's church. I am surprised that Bob Godfrey didn't address it because he is a big proponent of the Psalms.
Many people ask is listening to music a sin? Should Christians only listen to gospel music? Is secular music bad? Can Christians listen to rap, rock, country, pop, r&b, techno, etc. Music is extremely powerful and it can have a huge effect on how you live your life. There is no denying that music can influence you in a negative or positive way. This is a tough topic that even I have struggled with.
25 Important Bible Verses About Music
Although the main purpose of music is to worship God, Scripture does not restrict believers to only listening to Christian music. The problem is that most secular music is satanic and they promote things that God hates.
Secular music is very catchy and they have the best melodies. My flesh would rather listen to secular music. When I first got saved I was still listening to music that talks about shooting people, drugs, woman, etc.
What does St. Paul, teacher of us Gentiles, have to say folks?
"8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things"
Philippians 4:7-8 (KJV)
A good preacher once said,,,,,what you listen to,.....is it true???? Does that truth make you repent, point to God or want you to be closer to God????
I love Wagner,,Bach, and Beethoven
Please watch "The Missing Sunday Worship Text" by Hope Through Prophecy
I wouldn't say you should hear any music, as with many things in life, there are things that are convenient and others that aren't. Then, there is a matter of conscience and my conscience may go different than somebody else's, we all have different backgrounds, culture influence, family trades and so on. The thing is how you "measure" music, what do you consider? I'd say some things: meaning of the words, concept of beauty and aesthetics, uniqueness, christian values, use of the music, technical effort, I'd even say what richness does it bring to the development of music as a human activity, considering that God gave mankind the gift of making, playing and enjoying music and developing a craft, a knowledge. To me good music or a good song makes me marvel on the posibility that God gave man to create something meaningful, or beautiful or just suprising and creative, just as the posibilities God gave men to develop science and technology for example.
Anyone in here like death metal?
What are you classifying as secular? Mozart? Beethoven? Or just anything 20th Century? I'll grant you that AC/DC and Black Sabbath would be dubious additions to a Christian's music library, but if you're put off by the Carpenters, Glen Campbell and John Denver you are already on pretty shaky ground.
i dont know...i am still searching....i think when we use words like....bad butt shit f...those and so bad words and leading you to bad i feel those are for sure
There is a message in music. Is it written by worldly people, conveying worldly values, or is it written to glorify God as the greatest being over all creation?!
Doctrine: set of basic ideas contained in a philosophical, political, religious, economic system, ect.
Bad ideas come in form of songs/music.
I will praise and worship God with Christian Biblical based music.
God Bless you all!
See this is what I learned from reading the second book of Adam and Eve(Not found in the bible...one of the books which were neglected by the church). See the children of Cain were very unholy and once satan entered in one of the man and made him make instruments like the harps.....and others and he made it sound sweet to the ears so this made them have lust due to what was being played and he made sure he played it to large company of people.Satsn may use music to get to us. So my point is ,God never said dont listen to music but you should judge by yourself are the songs your listening to leading you into sinning? Are the songs building you? I mean there are some pretty good genuine songs out there but look at what impact they have on you. For it's not what gets into you that makes you unholy but what gets out of you.And lets not lie most of what we take in our minds makes us decide on what actions we do.Most of the songs curse alot,and you know as Christians cursing is not appropriate. Also artist portray use of drugs ,sex ,gambling,violence.They make us see like it's just ok to do so. Also remember st.Paul said ,"Everything is lawful but not everything is good for you. " 🤭But if this subject troubles you pray that the lord may answer you ,you dont have to seek answers on your own you have him.Ask him he will answer you 💜
Daisy Mushi You are reading from books God Himself didn’t want in His holy Bible and you should NOT trust it if it doesn’t line up with scripture.
Daisy Mushi, There are many books around which make claims to be written by disciples or people who knew disciples of Jesus, and others who claimed their writings to be from God.
Literary scholars have studied these writings in the light of scriptures which they knew were genuine, and through the guidance of the Holy Spirit, discerned which were truly God-breathed and which were not. The church hasn't neglected them, it has rejected them!
Safety is in holding to the scriptures as we have them in the Old and New Testaments. Don't trust other books.
That "book" is a Gnostic Forgery and has come Straight from Hell! throw it onto a Dunghill and Abhor it as the Insult unto God it is.
Stick to the 66 Canonical Books of the King James Version! in them is all Truth!
I wouldn't say it's a sin but I always ask myself why I'm listening to it. Every song has a message regardless of your reasoning for listening to it. That's how sin works, its got something that's trying to fill your mind and it's wrapped up in catchy beats and lyrics and sounds. But it's filthy and something that I find worthless to listen to.
Secular music means worldly music.
Christian music means, music that are played by genuine born again musicians who lifts up the name of Jesus and glorifies God.
I agree but worldly music can glorify God too if it has good messages and talk about his background.
Much of “secular” music today is not something a child of God should or would want to listen to. One need only listen to the words and know it’s not very good.