Great review, for me the range on the vans is getting there, I feel 200 motorway miles in the cold and rain is the point I will be looking a getting one or 3hours driving on a motorway with abit spare for contingencies.
The Vivaro-e looks plausible I think. Interested in the soon to be launched Movano too, and the Boxer/Ducatto etc coming out later this year. Vivaro looks really nice from a drivability and range point of view...
Excellent video Daniel. As an proud owner of one of your diesel Vivaro campervans I'm definitely keen to swap to an electric equivalent at some point. Of the 3 I'd still go for the Vivaro over the other 2, but there are a number of companies that are bringing our EV vans this year, so I expect a LOT more choice soon, but of course it will take a while for more affordable 2nd hand examples to be available for conversion.
Great review, informative. Sussex campervans are a professional firm , we put a deposit down on a van but ill health prevented us going forward. They couldnt have been more understanding. Looking forward to seeing the vivaro pop top one day
Before I’d even consider buying an electric van I’d like more data on how they perform under load. Does the range drop considerably when converted to a camper?
Very interested in a mid size Electric Campervan conversion. As for most people my main concern is Range as a Campervan, particularly mid size is a significant investment and certainly for me not something I would be able to justify as merely a second vehicle day van for local trips. I want to be able to tour round the more out of the way parts of the UK and near Europe for extended periods and use the vehicle as my daily driver. The eNV200 is probably to small a from that point of view limited in comfort and equipment and the Battery management tech has been improved but is still dated. Also the range is limited. For me the maximum range is so important that the Vivaro e is probably the choice. There is one other option in the Mercedes.
Hi David, the batteries are certainly improving fast with the infrastructure following - even in Europe, more and more charging points are popping up. The Vivaro size van can fit under height restricted barriers and into standard parking spaces so it wouldn't rule it out as a daily driver :)
They seem pretty useless to be honest, anybody who has worked nationwide knows this, such as the time i think around 2004 on the M11 , where people were trapped for around 11 hours, not good with no heating and a dead van, i was trapped on the M6 only the other day , the anguish on tesla drivers faces, as the m6 was totally closed between 18 and 16, and all the surrounding areas, were totally gridlocked , as they tried to avoid , to keep moving , i had to do an extra 50 miles, they are ok for granny to go to the shops in, beyond that they are useless, they have to make so many compromises , due to having to conserve power , they need consigning to the dustbin of history
@@mecs8959 You seem to be missing one very important point. The world has to stop burning fossil fuels over the next 8 and a bit years so consigning electric vehicles to the dustbin of history is only possible if you have a viable alternative. Heating the inside of an electric vehicle via a heat pump is not a problem. You use some range by doing it as you do in a diesel vehicle and if you supply is low and you are trapped for a long time the result is the same. I am not saying Electric vehicles are as flexible as diesel but we have to stop using Diesel so we have to learn how to use the alternatives over the next few years. We have to live differently to avoid catastrophic climate change. There is no choice.
@@Briersdad we don't have to stop using diesel , bio-diesel ? , climate change is a null and void argument , America has been messing with the ionosphere, see the minutes from the meeting , where the EU , was asking America what it's HAARP programme is about, and exactly what it does , and got no answers , anyone doubting weather modification , needs to look into geo-engineering, the Chinese did weather modification right in front of everybodies face at the 2000 Olympics , where they seeded the clouds with silver nitrate and made it Rain on demand, so taking all this is into consideration , and the pseudoscience that climate change is, there is no need for useless electric vehicles
@@mecs8959 Do you have a link to the EU meeting? I'd be interested to watch it as I've been aware of HAARP for years, but didn't realise the EU had been questioning the Americans about it. I am a fan of electric vehicles though ... had an env200 for 5 years now, and for 95% of my journeys it's ideal as they're local. It really is fun to drive as it's compact and nippy, and very quiet. I have a hybrid Outlander for longer distances - the electric range is tiny but for a heavy 4wd vehicle, overall fuel consumption is not bad at all. My campervan is diesel at the moment though. I suspect we won't be able to drive into many cities with it in the not too distant future because of 'clean' zones - certainly up here in Scotland the major cities have earmarked zones where we'll only be able to drive in with electric vehicles. So it does look as though we're going to be pushed into fully electric in the next few years.
You don’t mention the prices of these vans which will be a big factor in deciding the best buy. If the driver is only going to do a lowish mileage but is likely to venture abroad I remain to be convinced that it is the right time to buy an electric camper van.
Eh. It's pretty simple if you're vaccinated. I've not significantly changed my routines, went to Spain last winter as usual, have done a couple of Europe trips this year and will go to Spain again in winter. Vaccines or testing means you can travel more or less freely. Gonna do this last winter in the diesel van though. Because the e-jumpy has a 4-5 month delivery time here right now. But we're fully prepared for the stops, we rarely drive more than 600km in a day anyways. With stops for lunch and dinner. Easy to plan around charging really.
Thanks for this video - very interesting! I have had an env200 for 5 years now, and really enjoyed driving it - though not long distances, as they can be fraught up here in Scotland with long distances between rapid chargers, and the worry about them failing to work when you arrive - which HAS happened several times! I'm seriously considering a Vauxhall Vivaro-e now for the extra range, which would make travelling even in rural out of the way parts of Scotland much more achievable. I love the heated seats and steering wheel in the env200. Does the Vivaro offer this too? If not, what are the cab heating options on offer?
I think the vivaro e has the range advantage,but not stated is that the Macy's has lithium polymer battery so with not degrade over time as quick as the other two.
Interesting / amusing that the SAIC , designed as an EV right from the start, has old fashioned looking analogue dials straight from the last century and the battery storage status has as its icon a petrol pump
Forget it. Once your E-Camper is full, you got only half of reach, with some of these models you probably can't reach the next charging station Want to tow a trailer, except the small ones under 1000Kg... no luck either. And heating, there is plenty of heat losses in electronics, batteries and motor that could be used with a heat pump (which can act as an AC too).
Nice vid, as always. You left out Toyota ProAce from the PSA family of these EV vans. From these models, the PSA product seems to have the lowest noise in cabin. It also has the largest space and best practicality. I would be concerned with the reliability (lack of pre-prod-testing) and parts supply of the SAIC in UK or EU. Very little chance of aftermarket parts.
You haven’t mentioned that most psa group vehicles suffer with a lot of electrical faults so buying any vehicle made in pure electric by psa wouldn’t be the best idea until they can prove that they have actually improved the quality of their electrics
@@bmwman1981 I know what you mean. Some of the connectors they use in their vehicle designs are not reliable and tend to fail due to moisture or oxidisation. Another source of fault is the 12V battery failure, but this is common in most if not all EVs! Little thing, that some of their ECUs does not take well low power state of the 12V battery. If you look at eg. ADAC statistics, a depleted, low power battery is still the major cause of faults all over Europe (all makes), also on ICE vehicles. My good solution has been for years, using a processor controlled smart charger (CTEK). My batteries last for 7-8 years with it (never letting them run flat).
@@markthomasson5077 Yes, they are all the same, with different badge: Vauxhall/Opel Vivaro, Peugeot Traveller/Expert, Citroen SpaceTourer/Jumpy, Toyota ProAce. FYI: Vauxhall/Opel is now owned by PSA Group.
The van has always had battery cooling (air, rather than water). Not as sophisticaed as some others, but it seems to do the job. They've lasted pretty well SFAIK.
All correct except the usual journalist error of saying "more regen = more battery range" which is completely wrong. Coasting ( without braking) is substantially more efficient than regening. if you can stop/slowdown without heavy regen/one pedal mode, such as in motorways/country roads, thats far more economical than reacting later with very heavy regen.
Great video. I'm just about to pull the trigger on purchasing a VW California, which for me would be at least a 10 year ownership - my fear is that by the end of this time the van will have no real value and will potentially be limited to where you can travel in it. Do you plan on building a Vivaro campervan in the near future? I would be very interested and it would certainly please my 10year old eco warrior daughter!
I have a California on order, and have in mind 10 years too, they have great residual values, and diesel and petrol vans will still be permitted after 2030, just not new ones sold in the UK. The advice on all the forums is just to get on with it and enjoy your campervan, whether a Cali, or a Sussex equivalent. But range is the issue with the electric ones, unless you intend to stay local.
@@andrewbeale2585 it's not about staying local at all it's about planning. For example going on a long road trip stop for lunch somewhere with fast charging bingo car up to at least 80% by the time you're done. Stop by a tourist spot go for a walk charge at the same time. Not long ago it was standard for us to stop for a good break, refuel the car & have a cuppa etc with longer range combustion vehicles that's kind of fallen away & I think it's potentially a good thing as it could lead to a reduction in drowsiness & accidents associated as we're forced to take a break. It's not that hard it's just a different mindset to get into. Plus Samsung have new batteries due out in a few years with same capacity in half the volume & weight after that John B Goodenough (lithium battery inventor) is working on a glass battery with 10x the capacity & charges in seconds all of this will ensure electric vehicles really take off & there's no reason to need ICE anymore.
Problem with the movano and clones in my mind is the shorter range. 200km is really pushing it. That means you will be stopped 30+ minutes for every 1,5-2 hours of driving. And with the weight of a conversion you might spend as much as a third of your travel time charging.
What is the actual range with a load in the van? Vivaro at 500kg still 200 miles at 70 mph? Don't think so. How many self employed service engineers and builders will spend 1 hr waiting for a rapid charge that will cook the battery if this is done once or twice a week? Why don't manufacturers give the TRUE figures?
Nice video. You clearly get it. I do indeed want an electric campervan, so I look forward to your PSA/Stallantis based model presumably coming soon? Or do you think the maxxus is worth using as a platform too? I'd like to know how much of that 204mile WLTP range I actually get at 60 on the motorway at post-conversion weight. I'm guessing about 160? Which is obviously do-able but also less than ideal. The purpose-built vans like Arrival and Rivian and ID8 and the Ree platform should be more efficient and offer some really interesting conversion options. Have you guys tried talking to Arrival or Ree about what could be done? As the platform has no fixed position for mechanical components, that should allow a rethink of many aspects of conversion layouts. e.g One thing that seems to be missing at the moment is a 1-4 panel MPPT controller directly to 400VDC charger so one can have an efficient (and enormous) 'leisure battery' topped up with solar whilst camping without going back and forth twice through a 12V subsystem and associated losses. There is a lot in there about exacltt how those systems should work, and what is currently most cost-effective (probably not the same as best efficiency). I reckon for my purposes (wild camping/European trips) 100kWh really would cover both range and camping/cooking/heating needs. 75kWh will work but be somewhat limiting. Do they put a heat-pump in the Stellantis van? So far as I can tell the answer is no, which makes heating very 'expensive' in kWh terms. I'm not sure why they didn't bother as they presumably put one in the for aircon but just didn't bother to make it reversible or connect it to the battery and motor cooling for scavenging. That's the difference between an efficient and a not-very-efficient-overall vehicle. But potentially something you can fix (somewhat) in a conversion. The tricky bit is that we really want to mess with the software for some of this and that's a lot less open than the hardware on the whole. Is there a place one can keep up with your development plans on this? I'd love to be talking to other van converters about how the world of electric campers is going to work. In the meantime I'm keeping my 23-year old smelly Expert going for just a bit longer to see what base vans are available in the next year or two.
You will be getting the Ducato, marketed as 'Promaster' inthe US. That's the next van size up. For some reason these smaller vans barely seem to exist in the US.
Would you buy a diesel van with a 100 mile range and filler cap that that would take 8 hours to fill the tank.. No.. then why do you think 100 mile range and 8 hours to charge is acceptable. Time for some real world minium requirements.. 300 mill range.. if only 200 then 30 minutes fast charging is mandatory.. sorry sticking 8 hours onto my 10 hour day is unacceptable and dangerous
I was looking at minibuses electric and it just isn't viable as a business. Realistically with a full bus the mileage is around 75-85 miles vs 490-532 miles in a diesel. Electric is a dog shit option.
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Great review, for me the range on the vans is getting there, I feel 200 motorway miles in the cold and rain is the point I will be looking a getting one or 3hours driving on a motorway with abit spare for contingencies.
The Vivaro-e looks plausible I think. Interested in the soon to be launched Movano too, and the Boxer/Ducatto etc coming out later this year.
Vivaro looks really nice from a drivability and range point of view...
Excellent video Daniel. As an proud owner of one of your diesel Vivaro campervans I'm definitely keen to swap to an electric equivalent at some point. Of the 3 I'd still go for the Vivaro over the other 2, but there are a number of companies that are bringing our EV vans this year, so I expect a LOT more choice soon, but of course it will take a while for more affordable 2nd hand examples to be available for conversion.
I enjoyed watching the Video Comparisons. My favourite Is the Vauxhall Vivaro-e
Great review, informative.
Sussex campervans are a professional firm , we put a deposit down on a van but ill health prevented us going forward. They couldnt have been more understanding.
Looking forward to seeing the vivaro pop top one day
thank you for your comment, our clients always come first :)
Great video to stumble cross very useful everything I needed to know I now do
glad you've found it helpful Kyle!
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Before I’d even consider buying an electric van I’d like more data on how they perform under load. Does the range drop considerably when converted to a camper?
As these van's will be heavier due to the batteries, what sort of payload is available after the conversion to a camper?
Very interested in a mid size Electric Campervan conversion. As for most people my main concern is Range as a Campervan, particularly mid size is a significant investment and certainly for me not something I would be able to justify as merely a second vehicle day van for local trips. I want to be able to tour round the more out of the way parts of the UK and near Europe for extended periods and use the vehicle as my daily driver. The eNV200 is probably to small a from that point of view limited in comfort and equipment and the Battery management tech has been improved but is still dated. Also the range is limited. For me the maximum range is so important that the Vivaro e is probably the choice. There is one other option in the Mercedes.
Hi David, the batteries are certainly improving fast with the infrastructure following - even in Europe, more and more charging points are popping up. The Vivaro size van can fit under height restricted barriers and into standard parking spaces so it wouldn't rule it out as a daily driver :)
They seem pretty useless to be honest, anybody who has worked nationwide knows this, such as the time i think around 2004 on the M11 , where people were trapped for around 11 hours, not good with no heating and a dead van, i was trapped on the M6 only the other day , the anguish on tesla drivers faces, as the m6 was totally closed between 18 and 16, and all the surrounding areas, were totally gridlocked , as they tried to avoid , to keep moving , i had to do an extra 50 miles, they are ok for granny to go to the shops in, beyond that they are useless, they have to make so many compromises , due to having to conserve power , they need consigning to the dustbin of history
@@mecs8959 You seem to be missing one very important point. The world has to stop burning fossil fuels over the next 8 and a bit years so consigning electric vehicles to the dustbin of history is only possible if you have a viable alternative. Heating the inside of an electric vehicle via a heat pump is not a problem. You use some range by doing it as you do in a diesel vehicle and if you supply is low and you are trapped for a long time the result is the same. I am not saying Electric vehicles are as flexible as diesel but we have to stop using Diesel so we have to learn how to use the alternatives over the next few years. We have to live differently to avoid catastrophic climate change. There is no choice.
@@Briersdad we don't have to stop using diesel , bio-diesel ? , climate change is a null and void argument , America has been messing with the ionosphere, see the minutes from the meeting , where the EU , was asking America what it's HAARP programme is about, and exactly what it does , and got no answers , anyone doubting weather modification , needs to look into geo-engineering, the Chinese did weather modification right in front of everybodies face at the 2000 Olympics , where they seeded the clouds with silver nitrate and made it Rain on demand, so taking all this is into consideration , and the pseudoscience that climate change is, there is no need for useless electric vehicles
@@mecs8959 Do you have a link to the EU meeting? I'd be interested to watch it as I've been aware of HAARP for years, but didn't realise the EU had been questioning the Americans about it. I am a fan of electric vehicles though ... had an env200 for 5 years now, and for 95% of my journeys it's ideal as they're local. It really is fun to drive as it's compact and nippy, and very quiet. I have a hybrid Outlander for longer distances - the electric range is tiny but for a heavy 4wd vehicle, overall fuel consumption is not bad at all. My campervan is diesel at the moment though. I suspect we won't be able to drive into many cities with it in the not too distant future because of 'clean' zones - certainly up here in Scotland the major cities have earmarked zones where we'll only be able to drive in with electric vehicles. So it does look as though we're going to be pushed into fully electric in the next few years.
You don’t mention the prices of these vans which will be a big factor in deciding the best buy. If the driver is only going to do a lowish mileage but is likely to venture abroad I remain to be convinced that it is the right time to buy an electric camper van.
From other reviews and listening the Vivaro-e seems the quieter of the 3 on test, important for long runs.
12:57 wow, the penny really hasn't dropped yet, has it. there will be no "long runs across Europe" for most people any more :P
Eh. It's pretty simple if you're vaccinated. I've not significantly changed my routines, went to Spain last winter as usual, have done a couple of Europe trips this year and will go to Spain again in winter.
Vaccines or testing means you can travel more or less freely.
Gonna do this last winter in the diesel van though. Because the e-jumpy has a 4-5 month delivery time here right now. But we're fully prepared for the stops, we rarely drive more than 600km in a day anyways. With stops for lunch and dinner. Easy to plan around charging really.
@@matthiashejlskov5008 sorry, I was commenting in respect to brexit, not the pandemic.
Thanks for this video - very interesting! I have had an env200 for 5 years now, and really enjoyed driving it - though not long distances, as they can be fraught up here in Scotland with long distances between rapid chargers, and the worry about them failing to work when you arrive - which HAS happened several times! I'm seriously considering a Vauxhall Vivaro-e now for the extra range, which would make travelling even in rural out of the way parts of Scotland much more achievable. I love the heated seats and steering wheel in the env200. Does the Vivaro offer this too? If not, what are the cab heating options on offer?
I think the vivaro e has the range advantage,but not stated is that the Macy's has lithium polymer battery so with not degrade over time as quick as the other two.
Interesting / amusing that the SAIC , designed as an EV right from the start, has old fashioned looking analogue dials straight from the last century and the battery storage status has as its icon a petrol pump
Forget it. Once your E-Camper is full, you got only half of reach, with some of these models you probably can't reach the next charging station
Want to tow a trailer, except the small ones under 1000Kg... no luck either.
And heating, there is plenty of heat losses in electronics, batteries and motor that could be used with a heat pump (which can act as an AC too).
Nice vid, as always. You left out Toyota ProAce from the PSA family of these EV vans.
From these models, the PSA product seems to have the lowest noise in cabin. It also has the largest space and best practicality.
I would be concerned with the reliability (lack of pre-prod-testing) and parts supply of the SAIC in UK or EU. Very little chance of aftermarket parts.
You haven’t mentioned that most psa group vehicles suffer with a lot of electrical faults so buying any vehicle made in pure electric by psa wouldn’t be the best idea until they can prove that they have actually improved the quality of their electrics
@@bmwman1981 I know what you mean. Some of the connectors they use in their vehicle designs are not reliable and tend to fail due to moisture or oxidisation. Another source of fault is the 12V battery failure, but this is common in most if not all EVs! Little thing, that some of their ECUs does not take well low power state of the 12V battery. If you look at eg. ADAC statistics, a depleted, low power battery is still the major cause of faults all over Europe (all makes), also on ICE vehicles.
My good solution has been for years, using a processor controlled smart charger (CTEK). My batteries last for 7-8 years with it (never letting them run flat).
Is the Vauxhall one of these
@@markthomasson5077 Yes, they are all the same, with different badge: Vauxhall/Opel Vivaro, Peugeot Traveller/Expert, Citroen SpaceTourer/Jumpy, Toyota ProAce. FYI: Vauxhall/Opel is now owned by PSA Group.
A temperature managed battery for quick charge and battery life is essential, so discount the Nissan?
Oops, looks like Nissan has sorted that?
The van has always had battery cooling (air, rather than water). Not as sophisticaed as some others, but it seems to do the job. They've lasted pretty well SFAIK.
All correct except the usual journalist error of saying "more regen = more battery range" which is completely wrong. Coasting ( without braking) is substantially more efficient than regening. if you can stop/slowdown without heavy regen/one pedal mode, such as in motorways/country roads, thats far more economical than reacting later with very heavy regen.
Not sure the question “which one is best?” Was answered?
Great video. I'm just about to pull the trigger on purchasing a VW California, which for me would be at least a 10 year ownership - my fear is that by the end of this time the van will have no real value and will potentially be limited to where you can travel in it. Do you plan on building a Vivaro campervan in the near future? I would be very interested and it would certainly please my 10year old eco warrior daughter!
Hi Joe, thank you! Send us an email - hello@sussexcampervans.com - and we'll chat about your plans :)
I have a California on order, and have in mind 10 years too, they have great residual values, and diesel and petrol vans will still be permitted after 2030, just not new ones sold in the UK. The advice on all the forums is just to get on with it and enjoy your campervan, whether a Cali, or a Sussex equivalent. But range is the issue with the electric ones, unless you intend to stay local.
@@andrewbeale2585 it's not about staying local at all it's about planning. For example going on a long road trip stop for lunch somewhere with fast charging bingo car up to at least 80% by the time you're done.
Stop by a tourist spot go for a walk charge at the same time.
Not long ago it was standard for us to stop for a good break, refuel the car & have a cuppa etc with longer range combustion vehicles that's kind of fallen away & I think it's potentially a good thing as it could lead to a reduction in drowsiness & accidents associated as we're forced to take a break.
It's not that hard it's just a different mindset to get into. Plus Samsung have new batteries due out in a few years with same capacity in half the volume & weight after that John B Goodenough (lithium battery inventor) is working on a glass battery with 10x the capacity & charges in seconds all of this will ensure electric vehicles really take off & there's no reason to need ICE anymore.
ICE - In Car Entertainment but I thought Internal Combustion Engine!! How long before ICE only means In Car Entertainment!!?
Can you do a comparison on the Movano-e and it’s e-rivals?
Problem with the movano and clones in my mind is the shorter range. 200km is really pushing it. That means you will be stopped 30+ minutes for every 1,5-2 hours of driving. And with the weight of a conversion you might spend as much as a third of your travel time charging.
The firms understanding was very welcome at the time. Do you have any used stock at the moment?
Yes we do have used stock at the moment :)
Well we don't k ow yet if the future is electric. Anything could happen
Can you use the vehicles A/C while camping, or is it much better to have a separate heating/cooling system.
So what is range of them under full load?
What is the actual range with a load in the van? Vivaro at 500kg still 200 miles at 70 mph? Don't think so. How many self employed service engineers and builders will spend 1 hr waiting for a rapid charge that will cook the battery if this is done once or twice a week?
Why don't manufacturers give the TRUE figures?
Nice video. You clearly get it. I do indeed want an electric campervan, so I look forward to your PSA/Stallantis based model presumably coming soon? Or do you think the maxxus is worth using as a platform too? I'd like to know how much of that 204mile WLTP range I actually get at 60 on the motorway at post-conversion weight. I'm guessing about 160? Which is obviously do-able but also less than ideal. The purpose-built vans like Arrival and Rivian and ID8 and the Ree platform should be more efficient and offer some really interesting conversion options. Have you guys tried talking to Arrival or Ree about what could be done? As the platform has no fixed position for mechanical components, that should allow a rethink of many aspects of conversion layouts. e.g One thing that seems to be missing at the moment is a 1-4 panel MPPT controller directly to 400VDC charger so one can have an efficient (and enormous) 'leisure battery' topped up with solar whilst camping without going back and forth twice through a 12V subsystem and associated losses. There is a lot in there about exacltt how those systems should work, and what is currently most cost-effective (probably not the same as best efficiency).
I reckon for my purposes (wild camping/European trips) 100kWh really would cover both range and camping/cooking/heating needs. 75kWh will work but be somewhat limiting. Do they put a heat-pump in the Stellantis van? So far as I can tell the answer is no, which makes heating very 'expensive' in kWh terms. I'm not sure why they didn't bother as they presumably put one in the for aircon but just didn't bother to make it reversible or connect it to the battery and motor cooling for scavenging. That's the difference between an efficient and a not-very-efficient-overall vehicle. But potentially something you can fix (somewhat) in a conversion. The tricky bit is that we really want to mess with the software for some of this and that's a lot less open than the hardware on the whole.
Is there a place one can keep up with your development plans on this? I'd love to be talking to other van converters about how the world of electric campers is going to work.
In the meantime I'm keeping my 23-year old smelly Expert going for just a bit longer to see what base vans are available in the next year or two.
Can you bring any these to the states
You will be getting the Ducato, marketed as 'Promaster' inthe US. That's the next van size up. For some reason these smaller vans barely seem to exist in the US.
I wish there was a petrol or diesel version of the Maxus
Would you buy a diesel van with a 100 mile range and filler cap that that would take 8 hours to fill the tank..
No.. then why do you think 100 mile range and 8 hours to charge is acceptable.
Time for some real world minium requirements.. 300 mill range.. if only 200 then 30 minutes fast charging is mandatory.. sorry sticking 8 hours onto my 10 hour day is unacceptable and dangerous
It's not for everyone. However there is substantial and increasing demand
I was looking at minibuses electric and it just isn't viable as a business. Realistically with a full bus the mileage is around 75-85 miles vs 490-532 miles in a diesel. Electric is a dog shit option.
The answer is they are all stupid. Give me a Transporter with 6sp manual & a TDI and you can take the rest of these to the scrap heap.