EV Carnage To E or Not to E Vivaro E 260 mile road test madness!!

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  • Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
  • These things are notoriously bad on range. So I took one 260 miles. This is the reality of a milk float van! #futuremyarse #evcars #electriccar

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  • @-EC002-
    @-EC002- 7 місяців тому +85

    You were doomed from the start... you had the wipers on! 😁

  • @tinkadill2057
    @tinkadill2057 7 місяців тому +45

    You've given me range anxiety sitting in my arm chair.

  • @johnbrooksbank6555
    @johnbrooksbank6555 7 місяців тому +81

    It's the perfect vehicle if your business is delivering polystyrene to local consumers in Milton Keynes!

    • @cerealtiller
      @cerealtiller 7 місяців тому +3

      😅🤣

    • @billynomates920
      @billynomates920 7 місяців тому +7

      paper mache - can't be delivering polystyrene, whatever will greta say?

    • @markburton8303
      @markburton8303 7 місяців тому

      My friend has one to deliver fixings to local tradies - He bought it cheap used, cheaper than an diesel van (which seem to be at a premium in the south west) and runs it for 3 p a mile.

    • @lnomgaudas1307
      @lnomgaudas1307 7 місяців тому +6

      @@markburton8303sounds like it’s your imaginary friend…

    • @markburton8303
      @markburton8303 7 місяців тому

      @@lnomgaudas1307 What's imaginary? We all know (well you lot might not) you can get cheap electricity for 7.5p a kWh on Octopus Energy, and you know how this bloke is always wanging on about depreciation, well that actually helps if you are buying something that's a few years old - decent business decision in my book . Sorry it couldn't be me, but I don't have to deliver anything.

  • @SierraNovemberKilo
    @SierraNovemberKilo 7 місяців тому +75

    And that's unladen too.

  • @bentullett6068
    @bentullett6068 7 місяців тому +98

    So basically these vans are designed only to do the rose tinted view of local deliveries. Ideal for those 15 minute cities.

    • @Wigthewoodbutcher..
      @Wigthewoodbutcher.. 7 місяців тому +7

      spot on.

    • @TomSmith-cv8hk
      @TomSmith-cv8hk 7 місяців тому +4

      Only if they have somewhere to charge, land is expensive in 15 minute cities, well it is now, but greenies that won't do a days work for a days pay will get priced out and things will change.

    • @bentullett6068
      @bentullett6068 7 місяців тому +2

      @@TomSmith-cv8hk knowing the powers to be they will assign those who don't have a job or have a job in a company that they don't want to see trading anymore, a place in the big warehouses with smile on the side of them.

  • @mikehunt-w8u
    @mikehunt-w8u 7 місяців тому +88

    Who in their right mind would buy this.

    • @timsbird1971
      @timsbird1971 7 місяців тому +1

      Anyone who knows that only an idiot charges to 100% on a rapid.

    • @Youtubecensoredmyusername
      @Youtubecensoredmyusername 7 місяців тому +3

      @@timsbird1971bollocks!

    • @timsbird1971
      @timsbird1971 7 місяців тому

      @@UA-camcensoredmyusername clearly I'm in the presence of a genius....

    • @bryanduncan6178
      @bryanduncan6178 7 місяців тому +1

      No one, you lease it through your business and save a fortune on tax and running costs!

    • @paulnolan1352
      @paulnolan1352 6 місяців тому +4

      British Gas run loads of them that’s why your energy bills are too high.

  • @orwellboy1958
    @orwellboy1958 7 місяців тому +28

    I've been retired now for almost ten years but I worked for a national company, we used to bring our vehicles home at night, I had to park away from my address so no chance of charging at home and why should I pay to charge the company vehicle anyway, we used to drive approximately 200 miles a day making 60 + drops on a good day this would take around 12 hours on a bad day 16 hours + . There's no way you could do that in a milkfloat.

  • @howardshaw9592
    @howardshaw9592 7 місяців тому +30

    I take it that the van was empty. would have been more interesting if it had a maximum load😂

    • @phils4634
      @phils4634 7 місяців тому +5

      Which is what would happen in the real world. Tradesmen tend to really load up their vehicles since payload = money. It would be interesting to see how these "commercial vehicles" would cope in a real world situation.

  • @markholmes6831
    @markholmes6831 6 місяців тому +8

    I drove 295 miles from a town in North Netherlands to the Channel Tunnel nonstop (4 hours 45 minutes) at an average of 61 MPH and 60MPG, then straight the other side straight to Farnborough Hampshire, still had over 200 miles of range. In a 2.0 litre diesel Skoda Octavia.

  • @bassmana2z686
    @bassmana2z686 7 місяців тому +15

    I'm feeling uninspired this morning so I'll make a non-comment to appease the algorithm. Thanks Mr. Carnage and greetings from the north coast.⛈🌊🙂

  • @markstarmer3677
    @markstarmer3677 7 місяців тому +30

    I’m on my second Vivaro - diesel (of course) Can honestly say, I’ve had zero trouble in motoring with my job as an electrician.
    My stress levels are minimal. No looking at the fuel gauge every five minutes to increase the heart rate and stress (range anxiety I believe)
    But if as you say 88 mile range is pathetic, would it be lower if fully laden ?
    Basically they’re garbage.

    • @davelowe1977
      @davelowe1977 7 місяців тому +7

      Fully laden you'd need to charge it by the end of your driveway.

    • @markstarmer3677
      @markstarmer3677 7 місяців тому +5

      @davelowe1977 I bet your not far wrong there !!

  • @danieljwoodhouse
    @danieljwoodhouse 7 місяців тому +10

    Yep. That's my take on it too. Was doing a lot of work in Cornwall. Best I got out of it's 180 miles range was 140 miles. That was on a nice day, no heavy weight on the back, no rain, warm weather. On a cold winter's day, with kit, got 95 miles. Future, my arse

  • @barriewilliams4526
    @barriewilliams4526 7 місяців тому +19

    What an f in joke😂 "Future my arse"

  • @leemorgan8725
    @leemorgan8725 7 місяців тому +8

    There’s been a big scandal of Volkswagen over MPG being vastly overstated, so why aren’t the EV cars having the same court cases being brought against the manufactures ?

  • @christiancartwright
    @christiancartwright 7 місяців тому +9

    Would be interesting to see the same journey done with the van fully laden!

  • @spice3767
    @spice3767 6 місяців тому +3

    5th gear did a E van test….once they loaded it with a ton of sand….it massively effected the range…even after a hill where it had to go into sports mode….as it struggled to get up a “slope” they quickly put it back into eco….as it hurt the range so much…after 1 “slope” LOL…..

  • @avlisk
    @avlisk 7 місяців тому +8

    Imagine living in a place with temps over 110F (Phoenix, AZ), or under minus 10F (middle of Maine). Both the A/C or the heat chew up tons of electrons just to keep you alive, and the range of an EV is cut in half (or worse). Thanks, but no thanks, Greta.

  • @tyrantwitness2482
    @tyrantwitness2482 7 місяців тому +4

    Know who this van is perfect for! Council workers! Might even be able to plug their kettle into the damned thing!

    • @richwilliams9895
      @richwilliams9895 4 місяці тому

      Funny you mention that council i work for are replacing the old dispatch vans for them or the smaller partner sized van and some large etransit cage vans to replace the old 2.2 transits. Some vans will stay diesel due to the mileages covered each day. Nobody wants the electric vans but its happening. I did get to test the toyota proace ev and it was nice to drive handled the moors nicely handled the twisty B roads lovely and range was bang on. However driven a hired renault trafic new 2.0 diesel for work and that was better despite being the base model it had DAB unlike the toyota.

  • @nottmfunguy
    @nottmfunguy 7 місяців тому +7

    And we all know what the EVangelists will say "you had your headlights on, your had your window wipers on, you charged it wrong, should have got a Tesla van (if they exist) blah, blah, blah"

  • @simondrake8909
    @simondrake8909 7 місяців тому +2

    Love these videos, joking aside it proves that until charging becomes as quick and convenient as filling up, the EV utopia is simply a fantasy. No doubt an EV is an ideal transport solution for SOME people, but for the majority of drivers, they're just a way of adding stress to already stressful motoring.

  • @69jonhill
    @69jonhill 5 місяців тому +1

    The only way I'd get an EV, would be a tiny little thing for pottering around in - school run, shopping, commuting etc. (My commute is literally 5 minutes, my wife 10 minutes.) It would replace my 10 year old Citreon C1 and would need to be of comparable cost. I suspect that would be the factor that makes me keep the C1.

  • @SurrealWorldNews
    @SurrealWorldNews 7 місяців тому +2

    If the van was full of stuff then then there will be even less range. My mate works for Openreach and he now spends nearly half his day charging.

  • @stevewatkins228
    @stevewatkins228 7 місяців тому +2

    Proper EV crap and lies lol. Builders wont be buying this shit!! Keep up the great work Tony.

  • @moonshinepz
    @moonshinepz 7 місяців тому +3

    The good news: I made it to Exeter. The bad news: I made it to Exeter. 😬

  • @stevelawrence7111
    @stevelawrence7111 6 місяців тому +2

    My daughter worked for a van hire company.
    The electric vans just didn't rent out as the range is rubbish.

  • @noggintube
    @noggintube 7 місяців тому +7

    That's a shocking example of the "usefulness" of EVs - agree totally about not changing habits to find some remote charger. Who wants to spend their time frantically looking for cheap chargers when you're rapidly running out of charge. I agree with a recent interview with James May where he rebranded it 'charge anxiety' - the range wouldn't be a problem if there was a decent infrastructure and they charged within minutes, but it's the worry that the chargers won't be broken/busy/rapid etc.

    • @josephberrie9550
      @josephberrie9550 7 місяців тому +5

      and when you get there.. there is ten people in front of you doing the same thing

  • @Redorbluepill66
    @Redorbluepill66 7 місяців тому +20

    NAGE mate.I was just getting ready to sign on the dotted line for a milk float.then my wife shook me to get up.what a nightmare it was orrible mate just orrible.brilliant vid as usual.🙏✌️🫶🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

  • @keego2001
    @keego2001 4 місяці тому

    Had one as a work van.
    Strangest thing with it, every time I turned it on, it defaulted to having the A/C on.

  • @Nqueflipper
    @Nqueflipper 2 місяці тому +1

    Absolutely never ever ever WEF..errrrr total shite... Not even for Free.., charging range incoming 😮

  • @pawlettsmith
    @pawlettsmith 6 місяців тому +1

    Great video mate laughing my head off

  • @88tmilko
    @88tmilko 7 місяців тому +1

    I was forced into one by my previous company. It was a complete clown show and the Management didn’t want to hear it. The fleet department are in complete denial.😂

  • @bobstirling6885
    @bobstirling6885 7 місяців тому +3

    Who in their right mind would even consider one of these as a work vehicle??

  • @pelocitdarney5718
    @pelocitdarney5718 6 місяців тому +1

    The advantage of having an EV van as opposed to an EV car, is that you've got plenty of room in the back for a fairly powerful generator and a petrol tank for when you run out of juice in the middle of nowhere.

  • @garyskinner-mw3gh
    @garyskinner-mw3gh 6 місяців тому +1

    Was your van carrying its legal cargo weight on your test drive or empty 😊

  • @kroon275
    @kroon275 6 місяців тому +1

    Ive been driving an electric Mokka for near two years.
    I love it so much im trading it in for a 1500 quid diesel tomorrow. And cant wait.
    E-cars are a scam!

  • @AdrianSams
    @AdrianSams 5 місяців тому

    Just when we thought the UK's productivity figures couldn't fall any further ,hey presto. Buy an E-van and we will have the same productivity figures as Somalia.

  • @FrankHasiak-x7y
    @FrankHasiak-x7y 7 місяців тому +15

    EV's, an illogical solution to an imaginary problem.

  • @farmerned6
    @farmerned6 7 місяців тому +4

    And had you got a Ton of load in the back?

  • @paulblakey1488
    @paulblakey1488 4 місяці тому

    Wipers and lights don’t work off the main traction battery,they work off the 12v car battery

  • @marcosteffano
    @marcosteffano 2 місяці тому

    Good job the van wasn’t loaded up.

  • @likelikelikelikelikelike3971
    @likelikelikelikelikelike3971 25 днів тому

    It’s great to learn how to drive an EV. They are not for everyone but if you want to save money, get reliable driving and not choke us all, then get one. And there are loads of charging points. I get the predicted range from my EV, cheap charging at home and it’s a lot less costly to run than my petrol. Once an upon a time steam engines were the choice. Things move on.

  • @ianmarshall170
    @ianmarshall170 6 місяців тому

    You could always fit some solar panels on top & a wind mill so you are charging as you drive, I think that’s called perpetual motion! LOL😂

  • @icklepob88
    @icklepob88 7 місяців тому +1

    How much weight were you carrying, seeing as that's basically what a van is for

  • @ThePanicman66
    @ThePanicman66 7 місяців тому +2

    Never understood why so many electric gadgets in these EVs 🤪

    • @geoffsclassiccars
      @geoffsclassiccars 7 місяців тому +1

      Probably to reduce range quicker so you have to spend more time and money charging it

  • @se7enity648
    @se7enity648 5 місяців тому

    What is the supposed range if the van is fully loaded?

  • @barrydavis3044
    @barrydavis3044 7 місяців тому +8

    EVs are crap.

  • @paulblakey1488
    @paulblakey1488 4 місяці тому

    I find with the guessometer range predictor it’s not always accurate,I would work out range by what you should average on miles per kWh,for this van realistically it will do 2.25 miles for every kilowatt hour(kWh)so if this is a 75kwh battery vivaro e,it’s has 70kwh usable so you were at 80% at the start so actually miles to get to zero charge left is 0.8x70x2.2=123miles if starting at 100% charge range is 154miles to zero.Vauxhall says a 75kwh vivaro e has a range of 205 miles,100% to zero.If you drive slower say max of 60 mph then the economy will increase to say 2.5 miles per kWh

  • @trevorwilson2966
    @trevorwilson2966 7 місяців тому

    Years ago i drove my wife from Milton Keynes to Boscastle to see her Dad on a Sunday.Dropped her off and returned,the round trip was about 9 hours ?So nothing has moved on.

  • @phenogen8125
    @phenogen8125 7 місяців тому +2

    I imagine if you have the audacity to carry any weight in it the range will degrade hugely or is the plan to merely carry glider engines?

  • @bobdog4379
    @bobdog4379 7 місяців тому +1

    Fact is you had range anxiety the moment you knew you would be driving it..

  • @johnmay6220
    @johnmay6220 6 місяців тому

    How much did the journey cost?

  • @ranger178
    @ranger178 7 місяців тому +3

    toys for rich people to show off that they are saving the planet by filling their car with coal energy rather than gasoline or diesel LOL

  • @neiltitmus9744
    @neiltitmus9744 5 місяців тому

    They are made for local stuff like a milk float

  • @patrickhowell5578
    @patrickhowell5578 6 місяців тому

    I used to have one of these, for 3 years (50kw company van -BT). I have to say, it was a nice van to drive, but that's were the good stuff ends. In good, warm weather it would say it had 130 miles of range from a full overnight charge, but in fact that would normally really be 80 miles! In the winter the 130miles range would really be 60 miles. Put on the heater, or jump on the motorway, with the heater, lights & wipers on, that would be down to 50 miles. 😢. Don't tell me I should have been in eco mode, all that does is turn off the heating! Personally I wouldn't buy one of these with my own money!

  • @pelocitdarney5718
    @pelocitdarney5718 6 місяців тому

    The advantage of having an EV van as opposed to an EV car is that you have plenty of room in the back for a fairly powerful generator and a petrol tank for when you run out of juice and there's no charger available.

  • @stevelawrence7111
    @stevelawrence7111 6 місяців тому

    How much time is wasted charging?

  • @trevorwilson2966
    @trevorwilson2966 7 місяців тому +1

    i and about 75% of drivers will never be lied into buying one of these things.

  • @terryglover3215
    @terryglover3215 7 місяців тому

    Do you take a book (or even a handheld games console) with you as you know it's going to take time to charge?

  • @tirabbi1
    @tirabbi1 7 місяців тому

    I love that you start the video parked opposite a burger van, are they any good?

  • @adrianoakes152
    @adrianoakes152 7 місяців тому

    You missed a very importatnt point too. The van was empty I assume. How many van owners drive an empty van?

  • @AntonyGoud
    @AntonyGoud 7 місяців тому +1

    Shouldn't we have something that is so much better than what we leave behind??? HEY.

  • @jonhigginson4096
    @jonhigginson4096 7 місяців тому

    I’m interested to see what the van doing what it’s designed to do will do to the range, ie. Stick some tools in the back.

  • @Disgracefoold
    @Disgracefoold 6 місяців тому

    One painful truth to ponder: No car manufacturer in the UK today is British owned!
    Why? In part, because British car enthusiasts rather ridicule amazing emerging technologies, than let go of their ICE “Chariots of Fire”.
    ICE vehicles burn more brightly and more often, per km’s driven, than any other form of transport!

  • @patcorkindale4346
    @patcorkindale4346 7 місяців тому

    They’re an economic disaster, expensive to buy, expensive to charge, expensive to insure, limited range even worse if it’s cold and raining, constantly worrying about range and if the chargers are working, No I’ll stick to my Diesel VW Passat paid £3500 for it 3 years ago have it serviced once a year Approximately 700 miles on a good run cheap insurance , stuff the net zero con trick and all the BS that goes with it.

  • @sirjohng1
    @sirjohng1 7 місяців тому

    So driving holding a video camera is sensible?

  • @harrycalibra
    @harrycalibra 7 місяців тому +1

    The next question was your van empty imagine the range if you was loaded up with tools or delivering parcels with that added weight would destroy your range

  • @shanewaller2864
    @shanewaller2864 6 місяців тому +1

    So you recommend the diesel version then lol .Ev my.arse 😁😆

  • @johndavies2396
    @johndavies2396 7 місяців тому

    Did you have a load on the van or was it empty, the electric van is no b" use at all

  • @wonton8983
    @wonton8983 7 місяців тому

    It took 7 hrs, and you now have a flat battery. What's the driveability of these things at low speeds, as in 20mph in Wales. Is it like driving a Rotary, where it's waiting to surge off.

  • @bengordon7635
    @bengordon7635 6 місяців тому

    No chargers in our county you have to drive to the next county ,, and never will be,, we have common sense in our state ,, The battery is too vulnerable to heavy use ,, they are designed for an 18 hole golf course not the road

  • @jonesy66691
    @jonesy66691 6 місяців тому

    What happens when range anxiety turns into range rage?

  • @lloydmillership9682
    @lloydmillership9682 7 місяців тому +1

    What was ghe costs of the charge

  • @brianbarcroft9167
    @brianbarcroft9167 6 місяців тому

    Well I can't speak to vans but I can speak about hysterical anti EV rants. Firstly prices in the UK are ridiculous at least twice the price per kw than here in France. Eg. Charged at Carcassonne at 0.49€ kw, Same charger near Southend 1.12€. Secondly I have just driven 6.5hrs from Toulouse to Cassis near Marseille. Never had to search for chargers, my selected ones were on autoroute services and the other on roundabout just off, total charge time 41 mins, (2 charges), which equated as a coffee break and lunch. Lost no time at all. Cost was slightly less than I would have paid in my diesel Volvo. And I knew exactly what I was paying per kw. It was on the chargemap app. not that I needed to use the app to charge, just tapped the machine with the card. Finally, with normal usage I charge once a week, overnight on low cost electricity, costs me between 10€/12€. Have had a Mégane ETech for a while now. Love it. Would never go back to ICE cars.

  • @marksaunders8848
    @marksaunders8848 6 місяців тому

    EV's...the solution to a problem that doesn't exist

  • @marksaunders8848
    @marksaunders8848 6 місяців тому

    ....and when the battery inevitably degrades in the next couple of years it will be even more money and less milage.

  • @hhuodod2209
    @hhuodod2209 7 місяців тому

    I used to regularly ride from Manchester to pendeen on a Honda grom. Not fast but faster than this van 😂

  • @onemanhisdub1969
    @onemanhisdub1969 6 місяців тому

    Did you have a turd at Exeter? That would increase your mileage 😂😂😂

  • @billienomates1606
    @billienomates1606 7 місяців тому +1

    You have 140 miles range until you switch anything on or press the accelerator, then you will have a lot less. I would say your journey could take upwards 6 to 10 hrs, if you are lucky ha ha

  • @johnathanpearson3203
    @johnathanpearson3203 7 місяців тому +2

    Just need a bigger battery say another 100kw😊

    • @ghunt9146
      @ghunt9146 7 місяців тому

      Then the vans payload would be pathetic. Whichever way, they're useless.

  • @ComeJesusChrist
    @ComeJesusChrist 7 місяців тому

    79p per kWh?! What a joke! That’s more expensive than running a large petrol engine filled up at the same fuel station!

  • @johnnunn8688
    @johnnunn8688 6 місяців тому

    Do it again, with the float at max all up weight.

  • @chazmann4342
    @chazmann4342 6 місяців тому

    Cardiff to Birmingham then to Coventry then to Peterborough and back to Cardiff...£40...59 plate volvo xc60. Future my bum!

  • @fzr400rr100
    @fzr400rr100 7 місяців тому

    Christ my stress levels were through the roof just watching you do that, sitting like a prick watching a charger isn't for me. I once did the boat from Stranraer to Brands hatch circuit in one go with one stop on the M6 for derv in the race van, 9hrs straight from memory. Could you post the total fuel (if you could call it that) cost for that journey please Vs what it would have cost in a equivalent derv model.

  • @johng4991
    @johng4991 3 місяці тому

    Imagine if you had a load on board.

  • @jimfell7147
    @jimfell7147 7 місяців тому

    And fortunately no heater needed.

  • @davidmarshall5596
    @davidmarshall5596 7 місяців тому

    What a bloody joke !! Like putting 2 gallon of diesel in & having to stop every 80/ 90 miles to put another 2 gallon except ya have to wait for the bloody thing to charge instead of 5 minutes fuel up & away....THE FUTURE MY ARSE! 🎉

  • @MrPaulfullerton
    @MrPaulfullerton 3 місяці тому

    I mean come on you used a 40kw charger instead of a 100kw plus hence you had to wait round for hours charging?

  • @stephenlynch3411
    @stephenlynch3411 6 місяців тому

    Bang on Tony

  • @ianharley1726
    @ianharley1726 7 місяців тому

    So im guessing here. The van was charged at home before your journey. Lets say £20. Along the way to MK two further charges, lets say £40 each. Thats a total cost of about £100. 300 miles. 😮

  • @billynomates920
    @billynomates920 7 місяців тому

    how much milk can you get in the back of it?

  • @timhicks2154
    @timhicks2154 7 місяців тому

    You don’t want to go to Bristle. It’s bloody awful there!

  • @cornwallonline
    @cornwallonline 7 місяців тому +1

    Of course, it'll be the poor consumer paying for this shite! If you employ a tradesman with one of these things, guess where the cost for the van and charging will end up - on your bill to have your new bathroom/kitchen/charger for your milk float installed etc. What a load of sphericals.

  • @BillyBanter100
    @BillyBanter100 6 місяців тому

    And this is the future😮

  • @ComeJesusChrist
    @ComeJesusChrist 7 місяців тому

    DAB and sat nav? It almost beats a fifteen years old low-spec Mercedes C-Class!

  • @markday5797
    @markday5797 7 місяців тому

    TIME is money.😀

  • @julesviolin
    @julesviolin 6 місяців тому

    Yes but you went above 50mph.😅
    The range is only valid staying under 50 and accelerating and braking gently.
    Ask me how I know 😂

  • @alastairgair7504
    @alastairgair7504 5 місяців тому

    Ah ! Don't put full load in the back, cos you wouldn't make it to the end of you're home driveway! A

  • @AntonyGoud
    @AntonyGoud 7 місяців тому

    Oh my god evangelist take note.

  • @simongilbert2704
    @simongilbert2704 7 місяців тому

    it may have ONLY taken 7 hours - but you need another hour to move again - so 8 ??

  • @franzlatchford1219
    @franzlatchford1219 7 місяців тому

    What would you get if the van was Loaded???