My friend has one to deliver fixings to local tradies - He bought it cheap used, cheaper than an diesel van (which seem to be at a premium in the south west) and runs it for 3 p a mile.
@@lnomgaudas1307 What's imaginary? We all know (well you lot might not) you can get cheap electricity for 7.5p a kWh on Octopus Energy, and you know how this bloke is always wanging on about depreciation, well that actually helps if you are buying something that's a few years old - decent business decision in my book . Sorry it couldn't be me, but I don't have to deliver anything.
Only if they have somewhere to charge, land is expensive in 15 minute cities, well it is now, but greenies that won't do a days work for a days pay will get priced out and things will change.
@@TomSmith-cv8hk knowing the powers to be they will assign those who don't have a job or have a job in a company that they don't want to see trading anymore, a place in the big warehouses with smile on the side of them.
I've been retired now for almost ten years but I worked for a national company, we used to bring our vehicles home at night, I had to park away from my address so no chance of charging at home and why should I pay to charge the company vehicle anyway, we used to drive approximately 200 miles a day making 60 + drops on a good day this would take around 12 hours on a bad day 16 hours + . There's no way you could do that in a milkfloat.
Which is what would happen in the real world. Tradesmen tend to really load up their vehicles since payload = money. It would be interesting to see how these "commercial vehicles" would cope in a real world situation.
I drove 295 miles from a town in North Netherlands to the Channel Tunnel nonstop (4 hours 45 minutes) at an average of 61 MPH and 60MPG, then straight the other side straight to Farnborough Hampshire, still had over 200 miles of range. In a 2.0 litre diesel Skoda Octavia.
I’m on my second Vivaro - diesel (of course) Can honestly say, I’ve had zero trouble in motoring with my job as an electrician. My stress levels are minimal. No looking at the fuel gauge every five minutes to increase the heart rate and stress (range anxiety I believe) But if as you say 88 mile range is pathetic, would it be lower if fully laden ? Basically they’re garbage.
Yep. That's my take on it too. Was doing a lot of work in Cornwall. Best I got out of it's 180 miles range was 140 miles. That was on a nice day, no heavy weight on the back, no rain, warm weather. On a cold winter's day, with kit, got 95 miles. Future, my arse
There’s been a big scandal of Volkswagen over MPG being vastly overstated, so why aren’t the EV cars having the same court cases being brought against the manufactures ?
5th gear did a E van test….once they loaded it with a ton of sand….it massively effected the range…even after a hill where it had to go into sports mode….as it struggled to get up a “slope” they quickly put it back into eco….as it hurt the range so much…after 1 “slope” LOL…..
Imagine living in a place with temps over 110F (Phoenix, AZ), or under minus 10F (middle of Maine). Both the A/C or the heat chew up tons of electrons just to keep you alive, and the range of an EV is cut in half (or worse). Thanks, but no thanks, Greta.
Funny you mention that council i work for are replacing the old dispatch vans for them or the smaller partner sized van and some large etransit cage vans to replace the old 2.2 transits. Some vans will stay diesel due to the mileages covered each day. Nobody wants the electric vans but its happening. I did get to test the toyota proace ev and it was nice to drive handled the moors nicely handled the twisty B roads lovely and range was bang on. However driven a hired renault trafic new 2.0 diesel for work and that was better despite being the base model it had DAB unlike the toyota.
And we all know what the EVangelists will say "you had your headlights on, your had your window wipers on, you charged it wrong, should have got a Tesla van (if they exist) blah, blah, blah"
Love these videos, joking aside it proves that until charging becomes as quick and convenient as filling up, the EV utopia is simply a fantasy. No doubt an EV is an ideal transport solution for SOME people, but for the majority of drivers, they're just a way of adding stress to already stressful motoring.
The only way I'd get an EV, would be a tiny little thing for pottering around in - school run, shopping, commuting etc. (My commute is literally 5 minutes, my wife 10 minutes.) It would replace my 10 year old Citreon C1 and would need to be of comparable cost. I suspect that would be the factor that makes me keep the C1.
That's a shocking example of the "usefulness" of EVs - agree totally about not changing habits to find some remote charger. Who wants to spend their time frantically looking for cheap chargers when you're rapidly running out of charge. I agree with a recent interview with James May where he rebranded it 'charge anxiety' - the range wouldn't be a problem if there was a decent infrastructure and they charged within minutes, but it's the worry that the chargers won't be broken/busy/rapid etc.
NAGE mate.I was just getting ready to sign on the dotted line for a milk float.then my wife shook me to get up.what a nightmare it was orrible mate just orrible.brilliant vid as usual.🙏✌️🫶🏴
I was forced into one by my previous company. It was a complete clown show and the Management didn’t want to hear it. The fleet department are in complete denial.😂
The advantage of having an EV van as opposed to an EV car, is that you've got plenty of room in the back for a fairly powerful generator and a petrol tank for when you run out of juice in the middle of nowhere.
Ive been driving an electric Mokka for near two years. I love it so much im trading it in for a 1500 quid diesel tomorrow. And cant wait. E-cars are a scam!
Just when we thought the UK's productivity figures couldn't fall any further ,hey presto. Buy an E-van and we will have the same productivity figures as Somalia.
It’s great to learn how to drive an EV. They are not for everyone but if you want to save money, get reliable driving and not choke us all, then get one. And there are loads of charging points. I get the predicted range from my EV, cheap charging at home and it’s a lot less costly to run than my petrol. Once an upon a time steam engines were the choice. Things move on.
I find with the guessometer range predictor it’s not always accurate,I would work out range by what you should average on miles per kWh,for this van realistically it will do 2.25 miles for every kilowatt hour(kWh)so if this is a 75kwh battery vivaro e,it’s has 70kwh usable so you were at 80% at the start so actually miles to get to zero charge left is 0.8x70x2.2=123miles if starting at 100% charge range is 154miles to zero.Vauxhall says a 75kwh vivaro e has a range of 205 miles,100% to zero.If you drive slower say max of 60 mph then the economy will increase to say 2.5 miles per kWh
Years ago i drove my wife from Milton Keynes to Boscastle to see her Dad on a Sunday.Dropped her off and returned,the round trip was about 9 hours ?So nothing has moved on.
I used to have one of these, for 3 years (50kw company van -BT). I have to say, it was a nice van to drive, but that's were the good stuff ends. In good, warm weather it would say it had 130 miles of range from a full overnight charge, but in fact that would normally really be 80 miles! In the winter the 130miles range would really be 60 miles. Put on the heater, or jump on the motorway, with the heater, lights & wipers on, that would be down to 50 miles. 😢. Don't tell me I should have been in eco mode, all that does is turn off the heating! Personally I wouldn't buy one of these with my own money!
The advantage of having an EV van as opposed to an EV car is that you have plenty of room in the back for a fairly powerful generator and a petrol tank for when you run out of juice and there's no charger available.
One painful truth to ponder: No car manufacturer in the UK today is British owned! Why? In part, because British car enthusiasts rather ridicule amazing emerging technologies, than let go of their ICE “Chariots of Fire”. ICE vehicles burn more brightly and more often, per km’s driven, than any other form of transport!
They’re an economic disaster, expensive to buy, expensive to charge, expensive to insure, limited range even worse if it’s cold and raining, constantly worrying about range and if the chargers are working, No I’ll stick to my Diesel VW Passat paid £3500 for it 3 years ago have it serviced once a year Approximately 700 miles on a good run cheap insurance , stuff the net zero con trick and all the BS that goes with it.
The next question was your van empty imagine the range if you was loaded up with tools or delivering parcels with that added weight would destroy your range
It took 7 hrs, and you now have a flat battery. What's the driveability of these things at low speeds, as in 20mph in Wales. Is it like driving a Rotary, where it's waiting to surge off.
No chargers in our county you have to drive to the next county ,, and never will be,, we have common sense in our state ,, The battery is too vulnerable to heavy use ,, they are designed for an 18 hole golf course not the road
Well I can't speak to vans but I can speak about hysterical anti EV rants. Firstly prices in the UK are ridiculous at least twice the price per kw than here in France. Eg. Charged at Carcassonne at 0.49€ kw, Same charger near Southend 1.12€. Secondly I have just driven 6.5hrs from Toulouse to Cassis near Marseille. Never had to search for chargers, my selected ones were on autoroute services and the other on roundabout just off, total charge time 41 mins, (2 charges), which equated as a coffee break and lunch. Lost no time at all. Cost was slightly less than I would have paid in my diesel Volvo. And I knew exactly what I was paying per kw. It was on the chargemap app. not that I needed to use the app to charge, just tapped the machine with the card. Finally, with normal usage I charge once a week, overnight on low cost electricity, costs me between 10€/12€. Have had a Mégane ETech for a while now. Love it. Would never go back to ICE cars.
You have 140 miles range until you switch anything on or press the accelerator, then you will have a lot less. I would say your journey could take upwards 6 to 10 hrs, if you are lucky ha ha
Christ my stress levels were through the roof just watching you do that, sitting like a prick watching a charger isn't for me. I once did the boat from Stranraer to Brands hatch circuit in one go with one stop on the M6 for derv in the race van, 9hrs straight from memory. Could you post the total fuel (if you could call it that) cost for that journey please Vs what it would have cost in a equivalent derv model.
What a bloody joke !! Like putting 2 gallon of diesel in & having to stop every 80/ 90 miles to put another 2 gallon except ya have to wait for the bloody thing to charge instead of 5 minutes fuel up & away....THE FUTURE MY ARSE! 🎉
So im guessing here. The van was charged at home before your journey. Lets say £20. Along the way to MK two further charges, lets say £40 each. Thats a total cost of about £100. 300 miles. 😮
Of course, it'll be the poor consumer paying for this shite! If you employ a tradesman with one of these things, guess where the cost for the van and charging will end up - on your bill to have your new bathroom/kitchen/charger for your milk float installed etc. What a load of sphericals.
You were doomed from the start... you had the wipers on! 😁
😁😁
You've given me range anxiety sitting in my arm chair.
class mate made me laugh this morning
It's the perfect vehicle if your business is delivering polystyrene to local consumers in Milton Keynes!
😅🤣
paper mache - can't be delivering polystyrene, whatever will greta say?
My friend has one to deliver fixings to local tradies - He bought it cheap used, cheaper than an diesel van (which seem to be at a premium in the south west) and runs it for 3 p a mile.
@@markburton8303sounds like it’s your imaginary friend…
@@lnomgaudas1307 What's imaginary? We all know (well you lot might not) you can get cheap electricity for 7.5p a kWh on Octopus Energy, and you know how this bloke is always wanging on about depreciation, well that actually helps if you are buying something that's a few years old - decent business decision in my book . Sorry it couldn't be me, but I don't have to deliver anything.
And that's unladen too.
Very good point.
How about a 1t pallet ?
So basically these vans are designed only to do the rose tinted view of local deliveries. Ideal for those 15 minute cities.
spot on.
Only if they have somewhere to charge, land is expensive in 15 minute cities, well it is now, but greenies that won't do a days work for a days pay will get priced out and things will change.
@@TomSmith-cv8hk knowing the powers to be they will assign those who don't have a job or have a job in a company that they don't want to see trading anymore, a place in the big warehouses with smile on the side of them.
Who in their right mind would buy this.
Anyone who knows that only an idiot charges to 100% on a rapid.
@@timsbird1971bollocks!
@@UA-camcensoredmyusername clearly I'm in the presence of a genius....
No one, you lease it through your business and save a fortune on tax and running costs!
British Gas run loads of them that’s why your energy bills are too high.
I've been retired now for almost ten years but I worked for a national company, we used to bring our vehicles home at night, I had to park away from my address so no chance of charging at home and why should I pay to charge the company vehicle anyway, we used to drive approximately 200 miles a day making 60 + drops on a good day this would take around 12 hours on a bad day 16 hours + . There's no way you could do that in a milkfloat.
I take it that the van was empty. would have been more interesting if it had a maximum load😂
Which is what would happen in the real world. Tradesmen tend to really load up their vehicles since payload = money. It would be interesting to see how these "commercial vehicles" would cope in a real world situation.
I drove 295 miles from a town in North Netherlands to the Channel Tunnel nonstop (4 hours 45 minutes) at an average of 61 MPH and 60MPG, then straight the other side straight to Farnborough Hampshire, still had over 200 miles of range. In a 2.0 litre diesel Skoda Octavia.
I'm feeling uninspired this morning so I'll make a non-comment to appease the algorithm. Thanks Mr. Carnage and greetings from the north coast.⛈🌊🙂
I’m on my second Vivaro - diesel (of course) Can honestly say, I’ve had zero trouble in motoring with my job as an electrician.
My stress levels are minimal. No looking at the fuel gauge every five minutes to increase the heart rate and stress (range anxiety I believe)
But if as you say 88 mile range is pathetic, would it be lower if fully laden ?
Basically they’re garbage.
Fully laden you'd need to charge it by the end of your driveway.
@davelowe1977 I bet your not far wrong there !!
Yep. That's my take on it too. Was doing a lot of work in Cornwall. Best I got out of it's 180 miles range was 140 miles. That was on a nice day, no heavy weight on the back, no rain, warm weather. On a cold winter's day, with kit, got 95 miles. Future, my arse
What an f in joke😂 "Future my arse"
There’s been a big scandal of Volkswagen over MPG being vastly overstated, so why aren’t the EV cars having the same court cases being brought against the manufactures ?
Would be interesting to see the same journey done with the van fully laden!
5th gear did a E van test….once they loaded it with a ton of sand….it massively effected the range…even after a hill where it had to go into sports mode….as it struggled to get up a “slope” they quickly put it back into eco….as it hurt the range so much…after 1 “slope” LOL…..
Imagine living in a place with temps over 110F (Phoenix, AZ), or under minus 10F (middle of Maine). Both the A/C or the heat chew up tons of electrons just to keep you alive, and the range of an EV is cut in half (or worse). Thanks, but no thanks, Greta.
Know who this van is perfect for! Council workers! Might even be able to plug their kettle into the damned thing!
Funny you mention that council i work for are replacing the old dispatch vans for them or the smaller partner sized van and some large etransit cage vans to replace the old 2.2 transits. Some vans will stay diesel due to the mileages covered each day. Nobody wants the electric vans but its happening. I did get to test the toyota proace ev and it was nice to drive handled the moors nicely handled the twisty B roads lovely and range was bang on. However driven a hired renault trafic new 2.0 diesel for work and that was better despite being the base model it had DAB unlike the toyota.
And we all know what the EVangelists will say "you had your headlights on, your had your window wipers on, you charged it wrong, should have got a Tesla van (if they exist) blah, blah, blah"
Love these videos, joking aside it proves that until charging becomes as quick and convenient as filling up, the EV utopia is simply a fantasy. No doubt an EV is an ideal transport solution for SOME people, but for the majority of drivers, they're just a way of adding stress to already stressful motoring.
The only way I'd get an EV, would be a tiny little thing for pottering around in - school run, shopping, commuting etc. (My commute is literally 5 minutes, my wife 10 minutes.) It would replace my 10 year old Citreon C1 and would need to be of comparable cost. I suspect that would be the factor that makes me keep the C1.
If the van was full of stuff then then there will be even less range. My mate works for Openreach and he now spends nearly half his day charging.
Proper EV crap and lies lol. Builders wont be buying this shit!! Keep up the great work Tony.
The good news: I made it to Exeter. The bad news: I made it to Exeter. 😬
My daughter worked for a van hire company.
The electric vans just didn't rent out as the range is rubbish.
That's a shocking example of the "usefulness" of EVs - agree totally about not changing habits to find some remote charger. Who wants to spend their time frantically looking for cheap chargers when you're rapidly running out of charge. I agree with a recent interview with James May where he rebranded it 'charge anxiety' - the range wouldn't be a problem if there was a decent infrastructure and they charged within minutes, but it's the worry that the chargers won't be broken/busy/rapid etc.
and when you get there.. there is ten people in front of you doing the same thing
NAGE mate.I was just getting ready to sign on the dotted line for a milk float.then my wife shook me to get up.what a nightmare it was orrible mate just orrible.brilliant vid as usual.🙏✌️🫶🏴
Had one as a work van.
Strangest thing with it, every time I turned it on, it defaulted to having the A/C on.
Absolutely never ever ever WEF..errrrr total shite... Not even for Free.., charging range incoming 😮
Great video mate laughing my head off
I was forced into one by my previous company. It was a complete clown show and the Management didn’t want to hear it. The fleet department are in complete denial.😂
Who in their right mind would even consider one of these as a work vehicle??
The advantage of having an EV van as opposed to an EV car, is that you've got plenty of room in the back for a fairly powerful generator and a petrol tank for when you run out of juice in the middle of nowhere.
Was your van carrying its legal cargo weight on your test drive or empty 😊
Ive been driving an electric Mokka for near two years.
I love it so much im trading it in for a 1500 quid diesel tomorrow. And cant wait.
E-cars are a scam!
Just when we thought the UK's productivity figures couldn't fall any further ,hey presto. Buy an E-van and we will have the same productivity figures as Somalia.
EV's, an illogical solution to an imaginary problem.
And had you got a Ton of load in the back?
Wipers and lights don’t work off the main traction battery,they work off the 12v car battery
Good job the van wasn’t loaded up.
It’s great to learn how to drive an EV. They are not for everyone but if you want to save money, get reliable driving and not choke us all, then get one. And there are loads of charging points. I get the predicted range from my EV, cheap charging at home and it’s a lot less costly to run than my petrol. Once an upon a time steam engines were the choice. Things move on.
You could always fit some solar panels on top & a wind mill so you are charging as you drive, I think that’s called perpetual motion! LOL😂
How much weight were you carrying, seeing as that's basically what a van is for
Never understood why so many electric gadgets in these EVs 🤪
Probably to reduce range quicker so you have to spend more time and money charging it
What is the supposed range if the van is fully loaded?
EVs are crap.
I find with the guessometer range predictor it’s not always accurate,I would work out range by what you should average on miles per kWh,for this van realistically it will do 2.25 miles for every kilowatt hour(kWh)so if this is a 75kwh battery vivaro e,it’s has 70kwh usable so you were at 80% at the start so actually miles to get to zero charge left is 0.8x70x2.2=123miles if starting at 100% charge range is 154miles to zero.Vauxhall says a 75kwh vivaro e has a range of 205 miles,100% to zero.If you drive slower say max of 60 mph then the economy will increase to say 2.5 miles per kWh
Years ago i drove my wife from Milton Keynes to Boscastle to see her Dad on a Sunday.Dropped her off and returned,the round trip was about 9 hours ?So nothing has moved on.
I imagine if you have the audacity to carry any weight in it the range will degrade hugely or is the plan to merely carry glider engines?
Fact is you had range anxiety the moment you knew you would be driving it..
How much did the journey cost?
toys for rich people to show off that they are saving the planet by filling their car with coal energy rather than gasoline or diesel LOL
They are made for local stuff like a milk float
I used to have one of these, for 3 years (50kw company van -BT). I have to say, it was a nice van to drive, but that's were the good stuff ends. In good, warm weather it would say it had 130 miles of range from a full overnight charge, but in fact that would normally really be 80 miles! In the winter the 130miles range would really be 60 miles. Put on the heater, or jump on the motorway, with the heater, lights & wipers on, that would be down to 50 miles. 😢. Don't tell me I should have been in eco mode, all that does is turn off the heating! Personally I wouldn't buy one of these with my own money!
The advantage of having an EV van as opposed to an EV car is that you have plenty of room in the back for a fairly powerful generator and a petrol tank for when you run out of juice and there's no charger available.
How much time is wasted charging?
i and about 75% of drivers will never be lied into buying one of these things.
Do you take a book (or even a handheld games console) with you as you know it's going to take time to charge?
I love that you start the video parked opposite a burger van, are they any good?
You missed a very importatnt point too. The van was empty I assume. How many van owners drive an empty van?
Shouldn't we have something that is so much better than what we leave behind??? HEY.
I’m interested to see what the van doing what it’s designed to do will do to the range, ie. Stick some tools in the back.
One painful truth to ponder: No car manufacturer in the UK today is British owned!
Why? In part, because British car enthusiasts rather ridicule amazing emerging technologies, than let go of their ICE “Chariots of Fire”.
ICE vehicles burn more brightly and more often, per km’s driven, than any other form of transport!
They’re an economic disaster, expensive to buy, expensive to charge, expensive to insure, limited range even worse if it’s cold and raining, constantly worrying about range and if the chargers are working, No I’ll stick to my Diesel VW Passat paid £3500 for it 3 years ago have it serviced once a year Approximately 700 miles on a good run cheap insurance , stuff the net zero con trick and all the BS that goes with it.
So driving holding a video camera is sensible?
The next question was your van empty imagine the range if you was loaded up with tools or delivering parcels with that added weight would destroy your range
So you recommend the diesel version then lol .Ev my.arse 😁😆
Did you have a load on the van or was it empty, the electric van is no b" use at all
It took 7 hrs, and you now have a flat battery. What's the driveability of these things at low speeds, as in 20mph in Wales. Is it like driving a Rotary, where it's waiting to surge off.
No chargers in our county you have to drive to the next county ,, and never will be,, we have common sense in our state ,, The battery is too vulnerable to heavy use ,, they are designed for an 18 hole golf course not the road
What happens when range anxiety turns into range rage?
What was ghe costs of the charge
Well I can't speak to vans but I can speak about hysterical anti EV rants. Firstly prices in the UK are ridiculous at least twice the price per kw than here in France. Eg. Charged at Carcassonne at 0.49€ kw, Same charger near Southend 1.12€. Secondly I have just driven 6.5hrs from Toulouse to Cassis near Marseille. Never had to search for chargers, my selected ones were on autoroute services and the other on roundabout just off, total charge time 41 mins, (2 charges), which equated as a coffee break and lunch. Lost no time at all. Cost was slightly less than I would have paid in my diesel Volvo. And I knew exactly what I was paying per kw. It was on the chargemap app. not that I needed to use the app to charge, just tapped the machine with the card. Finally, with normal usage I charge once a week, overnight on low cost electricity, costs me between 10€/12€. Have had a Mégane ETech for a while now. Love it. Would never go back to ICE cars.
EV's...the solution to a problem that doesn't exist
....and when the battery inevitably degrades in the next couple of years it will be even more money and less milage.
I used to regularly ride from Manchester to pendeen on a Honda grom. Not fast but faster than this van 😂
Did you have a turd at Exeter? That would increase your mileage 😂😂😂
You have 140 miles range until you switch anything on or press the accelerator, then you will have a lot less. I would say your journey could take upwards 6 to 10 hrs, if you are lucky ha ha
Just need a bigger battery say another 100kw😊
Then the vans payload would be pathetic. Whichever way, they're useless.
79p per kWh?! What a joke! That’s more expensive than running a large petrol engine filled up at the same fuel station!
Do it again, with the float at max all up weight.
Cardiff to Birmingham then to Coventry then to Peterborough and back to Cardiff...£40...59 plate volvo xc60. Future my bum!
Christ my stress levels were through the roof just watching you do that, sitting like a prick watching a charger isn't for me. I once did the boat from Stranraer to Brands hatch circuit in one go with one stop on the M6 for derv in the race van, 9hrs straight from memory. Could you post the total fuel (if you could call it that) cost for that journey please Vs what it would have cost in a equivalent derv model.
Imagine if you had a load on board.
And fortunately no heater needed.
What a bloody joke !! Like putting 2 gallon of diesel in & having to stop every 80/ 90 miles to put another 2 gallon except ya have to wait for the bloody thing to charge instead of 5 minutes fuel up & away....THE FUTURE MY ARSE! 🎉
I mean come on you used a 40kw charger instead of a 100kw plus hence you had to wait round for hours charging?
Bang on Tony
So im guessing here. The van was charged at home before your journey. Lets say £20. Along the way to MK two further charges, lets say £40 each. Thats a total cost of about £100. 300 miles. 😮
how much milk can you get in the back of it?
You don’t want to go to Bristle. It’s bloody awful there!
Of course, it'll be the poor consumer paying for this shite! If you employ a tradesman with one of these things, guess where the cost for the van and charging will end up - on your bill to have your new bathroom/kitchen/charger for your milk float installed etc. What a load of sphericals.
And this is the future😮
DAB and sat nav? It almost beats a fifteen years old low-spec Mercedes C-Class!
TIME is money.😀
Yes but you went above 50mph.😅
The range is only valid staying under 50 and accelerating and braking gently.
Ask me how I know 😂
Ah ! Don't put full load in the back, cos you wouldn't make it to the end of you're home driveway! A
Oh my god evangelist take note.
it may have ONLY taken 7 hours - but you need another hour to move again - so 8 ??
What would you get if the van was Loaded???