Taking Faulty Parts To The Next Level
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- A brand new camshaft from a huge name in the business that is not only ground wrong, but it was cleared by quality control and SENT ANYWAY.
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By the time the Chinese march in to take what's left of this country, we won't have a single car still running. Even the parts being installed on the assembly line are this bad, no: worse. Honestly, we deserve this for giving away our industrial capacity and becoming so "Walmartized" we begged for this and here it is. I get that this didn't happen in China, but overall the parts problems are an epidemic and we have lowered our standards even here to the point that we are as bad as they are. We may never be able to make stuff here again if we don't reverse our culture. People just don't care about the quality of their work anymore, and as they get used to "comebacks" and "re-do's", they become callous and consider this stuff normal. They just consider these issues part of life and with that attitude and the really horrible stuff coming in offshore, if things don't change we are slowly going back to the stone age. We can't be a successful country if we don't bother to try. Everyone has to try their best every day. That's the bottom line.
it was deliberately DONE TO US, we didn't ask for it nor deserve it!
@@modelnutty6503 WHO did it then?
Yup, we just finished a sweet 327 for a customer, bad cam, failed in 25 miles, ruined the complete engine. Who is going to EAT that cost? Good thing the customer supplied the cam. Yes we all feel bad because we are all friends and try to help out.
That's right. Otherwise we have a culture of failure.
You are correct Sir. Our shit won’t work and theirs will when they come. Beto snd OAC will be trophies on the front of their tanks as they roll through blue city after blue city. Those of you who support the leftist are doomed to serve them. We who oppose, will die in honor.
I had a friend who was a meticulous machinist. They fired him because a younger guy was faster. Sure the tolerances were a little sloppy but he was faster. That is the mentality we are dealing with.
As a machinist myself i can say fast and precise don't go together .
I was at a large stealership years ago and we had a meeting in the body shop. The manager told us all "We don't want the cars done right. We want them done right now". We all knew it, but we never expected him to tell 50 plus people that. That's when I knew I was going on my own and my quality will never be negotiable.
So sad, a meticulous (probably well reared) individual gets canned for speed, that sloppy tolerances WILL come back to haunt you......taking the extra 5 mins, and makin SURE its proper is the ONLY way to build quality.......i pray this man has found greener pastures!!.....AND TO HELL WITH SPEED, if ur product sucks ass!!......slower, meticulous, machining, creates GREAT quality engine builds!!.......we just turn the key and go........wish the nation wud WAKE UP, and hear all a out the WOKE people, they're f'ing idiots!!
@@marclaforest3282 i cudnt agree more!!......i am slow and meticulous, my shit runs awesome, b'cuz i've spent the time it takes to make it correct..........this is where our country MUST decide........to build it quick and crappy, or build it right ONCE!!!.....and say g'bye to China!!
@@Digitalsharecropper I can believe this. every time someone at a cruise night tries to impress me they are a "bodyman", I always want to ask, "is that at an insurance favored shop or the other types of bodyshop?" but can't figure out how to not sound snotty while doing that.
That's the problem with ISO 9000. The company can argue that their Quality Control system meets ISO 9000 requirements, while sending you crap. All that they need to to is document that they sent you crap, which they did.
China #1...
@@H33t3SpeaksWhen I was in China you'd see every little mom and pop store had a big sign ISO 9000, vegetable stand, sure, shoe cobbler absolutely...
ISO9000 is such a steaming pile . I worked for a well known aircraft manufacturer that got its “certification “
and promptly delivered one aircraft with no windshield wipers and another with stuck landing gear on the delivery flight
QS 9000 for automotive.
ISO means you can build crap on a repeatable basis and have documentation to support your crap building procedures.
Wow, Uncle Tony speechless. Very rare. Sometimes you don't know what to think or how to put it into words.
If it was oversize then why wasn't it returned to the machinist to make it right? Just proved the old saying: There's never enough time to do a job right but there sure as hell is enough time to do it over.
How the hell do you even navigate this when you're new at hot rodding? That's the kind of thing that would leave you disgusted early in the process
The parts issues are a daily thing anymore. It used to be unheard of to suspect a new part. Now, we are very suspect of anything new. The stuff you buy for your house is getting scary too and no matter where you go it's all garbage and some of it is unsafe. People will just quit and give up over it. Like I said, at this rate keeping cars on the road will be a monumental feat. And I'm sure they would love to sell you a new car, but those are really bad too.
My cam that went into my 440 challenger felt tighter than the old when you spin it. I haven’t started it up yet, but you got me paranoid now.
This shit actually had Uncle Tony speechless for about 3 seconds. I've never seen Uncle Tony speechless. Its like these companies are messing with him. Unreal.
Never seen that years ago working at a machine shop....usually the otherway around either not cam bearings not fitted or 1 time on a 440 where the bore was off and had to take off with a latfe backside of bearing......you are so right man on that........MOST would had blamed the machine shop.Kudos on those guys taking pride and getting it right. other hand...big money end messed up and Hope theyman up for the working man.
I don't know man... shipping has been all backed up lately. Might be tough to get it by Friday.
I found the quality control tag under the ceiling of my 1974 Ford Maverick. The card showed a small imperfection in the rocker panel and sure enough when I blasted it I found a dark spot where it was factory repaired.
Uncle Tony I've never seen you speechless before, it's hilarious! Having worked as a precision fabricator and assembler for over 15 years I've seen some weird shit. Fortunately I had the autonomy to correct whatever the problem was and go on about my business. But most people don't have the luxury of assembling on site.
It may very well be that QA in fact rejected the Cam but someone above him looking at the reject Bin said it was good to go and sent to selling bin..it would not surprise me..
As someone who has rebuilt more than one engine before and fixed numerous other cars I can testify to this. The timing chain cover that I bought for my vette started leaking. A brand new crankshaft seal leaking. So I other another one, still leaked. Nothing I did wrong, it wouldn't seal against the harmonic balancer. Changing the balancer didnt work either. I bought another from a different manufacturer (Pioneer) and that fixed that leak. On another engine the brand new rear main seal leaked passed the crankshaft flange. Changing that didnt fix it until I got a summit racing rear main seal and that fixed it. It's hard to find a good water pump that doesnt leak past the front seal. It's hard to repair a vehicle for a customer and guarantee your work when you cant even rely on the parts you buy no matter the maker of the part. I cant even imagine building a new engine from parts I can buy from the auto parts store. The parts would break.
I’ve heard many times when costs are cut QC usually is the first thing to go.
I worked in Quality control for an aerospace company now retired , I would constantly reject parts for being out of spec and supervisors and management would do an override and sent the parts out to the floor . Most times the assembly personel would have to do a refit mod on the parts which wasted time or they would reject them and send them right back upstairs again where the process started all over again . If parts were to be shipped out for feild installation same thing . Most people if they found that like you did would just change the bearing affected and never say anything or do just like you and make them get it right .
Mucho aviation accidents in the last year. Good pilots quitting. Cant say anything caused by bad parts ''yet''. Wait till the woke push diversity hires to fly carriers....
I remember when I started doing tool and die back in the mid 80’s. Everything was basically new for tooling but we checked every thing we did with precision.
We had a dozen punch presses in back that we would run small jobs for certain customers. From a few dozen to a few thousand depending on the amount they needed. We used to check every part visually as it came out and then would take a part off every so often to the checked out thoroughly on the bench in a fixture to make sure it is within tolerance. We would check every 50th part to make certain that our parts were all within precise tolerances.
It was about quality and not quantity.
Nowadays it is about turning out parts before quality check.
We live in a world where over 50% of the parts manufactured is complete shit and has to be returned from the box.
Our government lets this happen because they only care about the shareholders interest because they are the ones pulling the strings behind the scenes.
It’s a sad fact.
What the hell does the government have to do with aftermarket auto parts? It has NOTHING to do with any government agency, policy, or regulation. It has to do with INDUSTRY. When the shop floor is run by business majors, THIS is the result. Quit expecting government to solve consumer problems, that's the job of the free market. Sell crap, the consumer abandons you, your doors shut. The problem is what Tony just did "aw hell, I'll give them a chance to try again, and if they correct this idiocy, we'll all pretend it never happened". Nope, he should name names no matter what. "If you buy their crap, expect garbage because they're idiots" is the action that will end this idiocy. The QC inspector CAUGHT THE FAULT, some imbecile in management ok'd shipping the part that FAILED QC.
@@ludditeneaderthal you are certified delusional.
@@robpeters5204 please explain what is incorrect in my above post... I'll wait
yes
im damn sick and tired of the first 2 of any replacement parts being bad
today bought 2 thermostats from 2 different stores to test for opening temp before installing.
maybe one is 195*
I had the same issue with an FE Ford. The can mfg refused to do anything so I custom honed 2 cam bearings to fit.
TOTALLY AGREE,guiltily control SUCKS now days.It’s a shame when you can’t depend on a BIG company to keep their people on their jobs!!!!!!!
Hi Tony, had the same problem with a new compcam for a sixpack project. Never seen that before 😲 Luckily we could fix it on a lathe. Greets from Vienna/Austria.
Bought a new a/c condenser for my daughters car. The holes for the drier were not drilled. And the attach point for the tubes are welded. Even if they drilled the holes, I’d have to weld the aluminum bung in place myself. Returned part. Angry woman with no a/c for a week to deal with. 🥵
my first question would be, did they make a note of the oversized journals on the box, cam, packing material, or packing list? any thing any where? not only that, but who oversize's by such a small amount. you would not machine a bore over by so small of an amount. sounds like a: it's ok, close enough. got to get it shipped. no time to fix it.
this is why this show, and others like this is important. we have lost the art of why. we just do it without knowing why it is done this way
You think that's bad I got one for you, I got a 73 Challenger 440, I bought from Tennesee and it ran, had it shipped to Florida by the time i got it the engine was blown, so I pulled it, rebuilt it with a 512 stroker kit from 440 Source, sent the engine out to a machine shop and had all the work done, I REUSED the cam, lifters and timing chain since they were new, I got the block back and the SAME CAM that was in it would not fit, same problem you have, went all the way in till the last journal. So i took the block back and the cam and they ground the cam journals so it fits, every thing great however i did notice i have some lifters not pumping up, I saw your video about reman lifters so I got another new set, same thing, so I ripped it all apart put in a solid flat tappet cam and still had to take the old cam and the new cam back to the machine shop so they can mic the journals on the old cam and grind the new journals to match. It only cost me $50, they had it done in a day so if you're in a time crunch you may want to look into that. Now you have heard twice.
I really reputable company is going to do their best to fix the problem. Or mistake. I like how you didn’t put them on the hot seat I’ve learned a lot just listening to you. Actions. 👌
Inspect and measure every part and clearance, period. No matter how careful and thorough, everyone misses sometime, but not that bad. I had a 351C cam ground by surely the same manufacturer, and it measured all good, until I started to actually assemble the rockers and adjust them. Something was just not acting right, as there was a big difference in the middle of the engine's valve adjustments and installed points. I removed the cam, and found it had the lobes on the two middle journals ground way different than the outer journals. I have used another company since, and have been well satisfied.
I’ve ran into this exact same issue twice in the past 6 months from two completely different cam companies on two different engines
I remember reading in an old direct connection performance manual(bible) about cutting a notch out each journal 1/4 pie cut of an old cam. Use that to size the cam bearings. But in your case that isn’t going to work.
I worked at a place where the QC department was absolutely useless and their strategy for getting zero scrap wasn't to refine the production process it was just open up the tolerances they don't do anything they don't inspect anything anymore they just sit there and quarantine stuff and the stuff usually gets sent out anyway because it's fine
I am going to do my first cam swap this winter and seeing this makes me rethink it. My truck runs fine and I rather wait till i know about what I'm doing.
That is a lame excuse by the cam company, Tony.
First off, the cam core is supplied with the mains ground and gear hobbed.
Cam company only grinds the lobes.
Straightens and Parko.
Then uses a cam checker to check the grind.
Cam core companies are failing.
The supply chain is destroyed!
Everyone using Covid as the excuse for them not doing their jobs!
And we haven't even talked about cam failures yet.
Not enough taper in the lobes, bad lifters.
Bad heat treat on lifters and bad grind on the lifters.
They reboxing parts from over seas.
Saying the parts are USA made or ISO 9001 certified.
And they are still scrap!
This is EM.
And I know.
I deal with this weekly, sometimes daily.
Thanks Tony.
Ordinarily I am a very positive person.
These are bad times that we are in and getting worse!
Iso 9000/9001 is not a sign of quality
I bought a Hot Air Re-Work station, only to discover during calibration, that one of the calibration potentiometers had been filled with epoxy. It's being done on purpose., laterally across the entire market space. From autoparts, to microchips... they're being sabotaged. I called my Governor. I suggest other professionals do the same. Post haste.
That’s insane! I haven’t heard of anything like that
Nothing Phases me anymore.... Never toss any original parts until you make certain the new part you are replacing it with fully checks out in every way. Its getting bad in all areas.... Some cases if the original part is still spec, I will put back into service rather than dealing with these issues. We had this issue recently with a Damper and the Key slot, we had to machine it correctly to fit a factory Mopar crank key....
The company owes you an explanation... a real one. If this issue happened due to new hires or human error, they need to not only tell you, but immediately FIX it- whatever it takes. If they do any less, you should privately denounce them using your judgement led by how many cams they sold you that were perfect. That's to be fair. The internet gives you a HUGE advantage and the company a huge disadvantage, so I say keep it in perspective.
The cam went thru quality control.
Now there’s your problem !
You can only assure quality
it would be nice to see the force needed to turnover unloaded engine components for the average joe builder, so that we can witness visually the experienced builders understanding of proper clearance. i.e. can you spin a crankshaft seated in the engine block with your pinkie....what does it 'Feel" like?
This is just another example of the systematic breakdown of the US. Its all about Greed. Corporations don't care about anything but the profits for themselves and shareholders. You can bitch about it, throw a fit, they don't care, if they did the part would be right when you got it the first time. The only way out of this mess is to elect people who are not driven by greed and buy products from companies that are also not driven by greed. Until that philosophy is the norm, we are all screwed.
Absolutely mind boggling. You can't trust new parts anymore, my european cars have timing belts and im starting to worry that the tensioner bearings and hydraulic tensioners are gonna fail prematurely if quality control has gotten this bad everywhere. The best thing is that there is no warranty as im a DIY guy so any failure is "my fault".
Any bad part you’ve ever received passed some form of quality control. Unfortunately shit happens but you caught it.
This is the world we live and work in, nobody gives a shit to take pride in what the do anymore
3 months ago .003 oversize on one of the journals Lunati hydraulic flat tappet that took 3 months to get. Had to pay a machinist to grind!
Comp owns lunati
I can top that, customer supplied a Crane FT cam (IIRC) for a SBC, the cam lobe peaks were taller than the bearing journals, try installing that. 🤦♂️
Do we live an a world where Dilbert comics are taken as an instruction manual instead of a joke or a warning?
If a custom part is junk, I can't imagine what it takes to get a good part of any kind.
7:37 When working auto repair, I don't know how many awful hacks I was forced to do. Other times, I communicate a problem with the higher-ups, but I'm stuck with the answer "Do it anyway." It wouldn't surprise me if other companies are just as dumb.
What is referred to as the Quality Control slip is probably the inspection report for that cam. Out of tolerance on the plus side but can be reworked. Maybe the cam grinder left .002 for the final grind and for whatever reason that .002 didn’t get cut. It happens. The cam goes to inspection where the discrepancy is caught and documented. So far, this is nothing too out of the ordinary in the machine shop. From this point forward, the company needs to examine their procedures and determine how a discrepant part could be shipped.
UT is exasperated with his recent run of bad luck, quite understandably. Really though in this instance, he’s only out time. No melted or seized parts. Friend of mine had a new piston that the pin bore was not perpendicular to the cylinder bore. Caught it with careful assembly techniques. Take your time and take nothing for granted.
Over 20 years ago I was a tool maker for the auto industry. You didn't want to take on a job from any of the Japanese makers. But especially GM was a breeze. They would let you change their jig to fit the part off our dies just to get them in the punch presses and running parts. That's why the USA auto market is garbage today. I never have bought an American made vehicle new. I do have classic iron though. But keeping it running is harder , and harder , as he keeps pointing out 😤😓😥
We already know the cam company that is making all the mistakes. I would avoid them like a plague. My bet is that the cam will end up with too much clearance and not be usable.
And Their ls rocca trunion ugrades lol
thats like shipping a bucket with no bottom and saying "missing bottom" on the QC card...
I agree with ecosse57 time to start naming names. When 200k+ gearheads watching utg won't buy your products anymore you might try to get your shit together
Now is time to check the cam's timing too.
I totally agree with Tony !! No excuse for this F$&@ Up !! Can their Ass !!
Paul at Fab Rats had a 454 cam that was too long. Destroyed the cam, lifters, and cam bearings.
Now of days its quantity over quality. Paul from fab rats had a cam that was made wrong for his sons 454 big block. It was a comp cam. The lobes were off by a lot causing the lifters to ride off the lobes.
When monthly sales targets comprise quality
My buddy bought a comp cams mutha thumper cam, and it split, a clean break at the second to last journal. There response was you built the motor wrong.... I help put the damn motor together, it was right, cams don't just shear off cleanly like that. Well come to find out they had a bad run if them, and swept it under the rug.
It’s not the chiniesium, it’s not the bad machinist, it’s not even the ninnies in QC.
It’s managment.
Unrealistic production goals and an environment where putting crap in a box gets less blow back than sending it to rework is a managment problem. It’s all on managment.
It is a sad state of affairs. At least there is someone still making cams in USA, for now.
Id be more worried about the fact that it only stopped on the last cam journal... may want to check those bearings in there make sure they're actually at the right size....
Hi Tony, Very frustrating and dangerous. The other issue is, what else on the cam shaft is out of spec? Love watching your down to earth and honest film clips.Cheers, Ian. Sorry but I am a Mustang man but cars are cars.
Never heard of oversize cam journals in 20+ years building engines either.
Get use to it. Large companies don`t give a shit. Even if you fire the guy. the next smuck will be the same.
Like the mirror on the Hubble telescope - ground perfectly but wrong.
Lowest bidder. There was a test they could perform to check the mirror. Cost $4 million dollars. They under bid the competition by $4 million and skipped the test.
Tony!That's the "America"we live in. Having been in manufacturing for the last 20+years,I've have witnessed the decline in quality from many types of manufacturing. They sent that can because it was only .002". The average person has little idea how much of that crap really goes on. Why? MONEY.That's why.
Quality Control is a joke for almost every mechanical parts manufacturer. You can't trust any companies anymore. All of them is about production numbers, nothing else. Even when they know the parts are way out of tolerance, they still don't stop the process, and don't fix the issue. If somebody take a note on something like this, the tipical answers are:
"So what? We need the production numbers."
"Don't even try to stop production because of it!"
And the hugest embarrassement I ever heard: "Maybe they won't notice it..." (Where the "they" are the customers.)
In most companies the production managers can disregard or ignore quality control operators and managers. The whole QC system is pointless in every level of manufacturing. The bigger the company, be lower the expectations on this matter.
When in doubt, ship it out.
Allan Millyard would vise up a piece of steel and with files and a hack saw coax out a new cam. We should all take a lesson from him. The way parts are going we will have to make or repair our own.
'Oh yeah its got oversize cam journals'. (So we shipped it). This is why Marijuana is still illegal in 17 states.
Put them on blast Tony this isn’t right!!!
Someone probably had them build it wrong. To have quality control say that it is oversize and then still ship it, they probably thought it was ordered that way.
I wouldn’t think it’s a problem, just a mix up/ misunderstanding
:) Quality would know the details for the part they inspect. They wouldn't assume it was special, they would check. That's a very basic Quality concept- check the work order. It's how every batch/lot./individual part is identified as it goes through the process.
@@bbb462cid I agree with that. However that is not my point, maybe whoever built the cam made it to be an oversized journal cam on purpose.
Meaning the cam was made correctly being oversized and it passed quality checks because that’s what it was supposed to be. Tony probably didn’t order it that way, but whoever put it into the system may have accidentally ordered it to be an oversized cam.(or a mistake of that sort) So therefore it would pass QC with the note saying it’s correct measurement for an oversized cam. Regardless of Tony actually wanting that. Does that make sense?
@@Disablednoob I see what you mean but...who on Earth makes cam bearings with a smaller Inside Diameter than stock...and why? Then, why just _one_ journal?
This story is nothing like that but its a lesson from unscrupulous used car dealers. I had to have a Camaro, so I found one in my price range, $3,500 (this was in the 1990's) 1982 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta. It was silver metal flake color that peeled off and when it did that it would rust, but this story ain't about the body! It had a 2.8 liter V-6, automatic with a electric locking torque converter. I drove it 50,000 miles the transmission went bad, the local used motor/transmission man got me one off the truck from New York, I want to say it was a 200R4, the torque converter never locked up again. But the motor started to knock, so having just put the transmission in, had to pull the motor. When I go to rebuild it, inside in various places it had three standard (stock) bore pistons, two 0.030 oversize Pistons, and one 0.500millimeter oversize piston? I never noticed any vibration but this motor, with three different sized pistons, I had no idea this was even possible. The 50,000 miles I drove the car it ran good, it was no power monger, but it was smooth and fun to drive car limited as the horsepower was.. 0.500 millimeter over?? I didn't know this was available on any motor?? I sold the body with the title for $500 and my Camaro lust was over and lesson learned. Give me a 1970 Plymouth with a 318 two barrel and honest 20mpg, you guys can have all the Camaro Money pits!!
surprised you are using so many new parts in a drag car. I always thought if you want a reliable drag car some times "good" used parts are often a better option 1. well they have definitely been tested 2. they give you more tolerance overhead so less prone to granading the engine.
What's the condition of the cam bearing that was seizing up due to the large cam journal, is it going to be inspected to make sure it's still ok?
You were lost for words for a minute and I was dumbfounded at the same time. This is beyond ridiculous. IT seems that they are trying to get every gas powered car off the road and that's happening at a fast rate. SO SAD.
Does the cam card mention the oversized journals?
Shouldnt Ray Barton have had the Cam to check to his machine work ?? Every time i had machine work my shop wanted my cam.
You should rat them out! Inexcusable that QC didn't send that back. On top it's costing them more time and money as well as yours....
I wonder if this could be why so many people wipe new cams these days?
Yo T ! You alright man ? Never seen you speechless before .
I think the only way to battle this is by having a massive boycott of all of this crap until these companies get their shit togeter on QC. Also, I have to think that somebody could make quite a killing just by offering quality products that almost nobody else seems able to produce. It might result in a higher cost product, but I bet it would work.
someone though they could slide it by. That inspection card will show who ran it and inspected it. Should have been red tagged.
Sad state of things. 🤭🤔
This just blows my mind.. but on the other hand, I'm really no longer surprised by much..
Bet it wasn’t comp. having issues with them and my ls right now.
Quality control: This cam is faulty. Ship it! Also, I recently replace all four wheel bearings in my van. I had to replace five bearings to get four good ones. Sad.
I don't know why you're protecting/not naming the company. They've already majorly screwed up in a way that if it wasn't for your dumb luck it would have likely cost someone an engine, and it wasn't like they didn't know it, it was caught by QC and STILL SHIPPED.
😎🇺🇸God help us. Get to work AMERICA😎🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I only run purple shaft cams from the 80s.
Perhaps it’s ground to tighter tolerances than the cam you have?
.001” sounds like manufacturing tolerances.
Just asking for a friend…
Also; Firing people every time they screw up is going to have you working alone- or surround by people who don’t do anything.
That worries me, I mean is that guy just so apathetic to this sort of serious problem that he has no issues sending out faulty parts.......or is this becoming such a regular ocurrance at that company that it's basically just "Tuesday" to him?
Makes me wonder what sort of insanity that quality control guy is seeing/hearing now........beyond parts he marked as faulty just being sold anyways as if he didn't find a problem with it.
There's zero excuse at all for them not cross-shipping you a replacement.
Damn right!
Agreed !!
It's a custom part. Maybe it'd take longer to make a new one than shipping+re-machining the wrong 'un.
I'm not defending them, just thinking out loud.
That is what " stand - up " companies do . They get the correct part out asap and tell you to mail back the old at your convenience.
exactly. and between shipping it three times and chucking it up twice it could easily accumulate scrapes and scratches that cost a lobe or two its longevity
As a young mechanic at a Ford dealership, I tore down a new Boss 302 for smoke and foiling 1 plug. First thought, broken, stuck or missing ring (it happens). I could see nothing wrong, show it to the shop foreman (30+yrs experience), he finds nothing. Go to throw a new ring set on the piston. As soon as the old rings were off, BAM, the piston had no oil return holes behind the rings.
I have a 2017 GT350 that was an exec driver in Dearborn (I have a friend whose family owns a bunch of dealerships, so I got it for $47.7k). Here is the funniest thing- it hasn't used a drop of oil, no "Typewriter tick," no grenaded Voodoo...it is a complete oddball in a good way
I was assembling a 4 cyl Mitsushiti and found the same thing, no oil return holes in all 4 pistons.
Coworker bought a new 2020 pickup with the coyote motor. He is what most people call anal retentive with his vehicle maintenance. His ‘99 civic had 340,000 miles when he sold it. Used 1 quart of oil every 3400 miles and still looked great. Anyway, with 20k on his pickup, it’s on its third engine. Not trying to bash Ford, just saying there are serious quality problems and it’s across the board.
@@raoulcruz4404 You said that right bruh, Gotta watch your dollar and know your vehicles.
Had an '81 VW diesel rabbit. At 108,000 miles no compression on #2 cyl. Took it apart, no top ring on the piston. Second ring broke.
Minute 6:45 UT is left speechless gasping for words…that’s the world we live in with people not taking pride in their work leaving the rest of us on the end of a limb.
He just wanted to say...What the fuck😂
@@Car-dx7qk
😆👍
Don't ignore the fact that Corporate types do, have, and will again accept parts on their own for shipment. No QC. Just a guy with an office who says it's OK signing off on it. From medical and aerospace to toys and games. Sometimes, they go to no-fooling prison. More often they get away with it for years and just switch to another company after a while.
It’s not only pride that people are lacking in their work….but knowledgeable experience….or proper training. Machines are only as good as the people operating them….and we are now more concerned about costs and pricing than we are about quality and pride.
It’s a sure bet…that if we had to rely on American manufacturing again like we did in WW2….we’d be in a lot of trouble…
Amen brother...
*As a Quality Inspector* for critical safety items I am required to not only physically inspect to print, but I am required to have documentation of special processes such as heat treating as well as material certs traceble to the mill. My sample sizes are statiscally determined by failure rates of parts as well as paperwork deficiencies. Truthfully, a camshaft is not a Safety Critical component for a car. Now _recording the failure_ on the paperwork (oversize is an out of tolerance condition in this case, which means a failure in my book) means somebody took it on themselves to OK it. "Cleared by Quality Control"? That can mean a lot of things, sometimes it means not even examined by QC. There are three types of Inspectors: 1) Clear the Deck type: manufacturing LOVES this inspector. Everything ships. 2) Firefighter type: this Inspector wants to put out the fire and get only good product out. Manufacturing feels he is a "problem" as he is a speedbump, and Quality adds no Value in the Corporate lingo. A marked man. 3) Firestarter type: This Inspector thinks failing parts is the key to keeping his job. He fails almost everything. He is soon replaced by Clear the Deck. In Quality, the Golden Rule is that nobody will ever remember the times you pulled all the asses out of the fire. They will remember the one time you fuck up. That said, this camshaft is a stupid and basic issue. It's not even a mistake, it was an On Purpose. Tony is right: somebody should be in big trouble over it.
Very well put. One "oh shit" negates all of those "attaboys"!
Mr. Blutarsky -- I don't know if I would say it was done on purpose. There is a lot of pressure on QC inspectors these days from upper management to get the product out. Constant infighting with management and engineers over acceptable product and changing tolerance levels has been an ongoing thing for decades now, especially in the aerospace industry. A proper AS9102 First Article Report is almost a thing of the past these days in some respects. I'm talking "proper", not one that looks like it on it's surface, which I've seen on numerous occasions. It's entirely possible that the inspector passed this product based on revised acceptability standards passed down from above or face consequences. I've seen it many times and have fought with engineers and management before over these issues (providing the revision didn't come from the client and their development engineers themselves, which would require a drawing revision change before I would touch it.....). I'm wondering if this company has a proper environmentally controlled lab with certified measuring equipment and properly trained staff to even know the difference? Or was this product "inspected" by someone on the floor designated as someone to "check" parts. Also, I wonder if their inspection department has even been properly audited by an outside independent agency? I'm retired from the aerospace industry now, but I've seen A LOT of bad changes over the span of 40+ years. (There is a good reason why I don't fly......). I know for a fact these problems persist in other industries other than aerospace, like automotive, which is the case here.
@@ironcladranchandforge7292 That's all well and good, or rather sucks and is bad, but what Tony said happened here is the QCC saw the part was defective with out of spec journals that were too big, noted it on the QCC card, and the part shipped anyway.
@@shakdidagalimal -- Probably because he was ordered to from above. Seen it happen a thousand times. So in a way, I guess it was shipped that way on purpose. But probably not by the inspectors decision, unless this inspector is totally unethical or has an ax to grind with the company. Seen that a few times as well.
Been there and done that.
Point out a MAJOR issue - the first look on every higher up is pure disgust.
Then you get the obligatory half hearted pat on the back.
The problem is maximizing shareholder wealth at all costs.
There is no longer Honor and Loyalty in the work place because we have been told Over and Over again - do your job - get it done faster than possible and you are easily replaceable.
You are a drone - don't think - get it done.
The CEO and shareholders have new planes and boats on order.....
"China" has nothing to do with this malady. (Many like to point that finger)
Greed is the sole culprit.
Unless we start naming names there is little incentive for these companies to step up their quality control to the standards of 30 years ago. Big companies easily eat the cost of repairing a mistake and shipping costs so they really don't care. START NAMING NAMES.
Completely agree considering this is a on going problem with the manufacturer and no one is calling them out! This is what happens also when theres less competition so QA goes down hill.. Quite pathetic..
Yeah, Tony is gonna have to start naming names as it doesn't appear to be just one particular part, shits all over the place.
Name names, hit em in the pocketbook by going elsewhere, and maybe they will realise people wont put up with this bullshit anymore- its happening far too often
Exactly. Not sure why he’s always so cryptic about who these cam companies are that keep screwing up. Call their asses out!!!
@Cambron Gabaree only if they can prove slander. reporting on an experience, good or bad, is not grounds for a lawsuit.
@@anthonysantiago1999 it not about competition these thing are not in demand anymore se the sale volume is very low
a can assure you if you where to built a LS gm engine you won't have any of these problems with cam and lifter ect.
I’ve been in aerospace machining for 45 years. The problem is nobody is hands on anymore. As long as the paper trail looks good they don’t inspect parts. Today you don’t get better parts just more expensive parts.
You are right. There is no Hands-On anymore. My father is a seventy-five-year-old tool and die maker. Journeyman for over 50 years. And they are continuously trying to pull him out of retirement. Because they don't have anybody who knows how to test and tryout dies. They CNC all kinds of Parts. They can assemble all kinds of die shoes. But when it comes to putting them in the press, and actually running them... there is a significant deficiency. He even had to be pulled out of the die shop, to go over to Ford Motor Company, and show them how to weld seat brackets together. That was the first time he retired. We're at the point now, where the people at Ford Motor Company... Don't even know how to build cars anymore. They know how to go on strike, and demand more money. But... All they're doing is collecting checks.
So my dad drove all the way down to the F-150 Assembly Plant. 13 hours away. Listened to all of their problems. Went to the library. Pulled out a book called... 13 manufacturing problems. Handed it to the project manager... And drove home.
And they are still, calling him with questions.
As an avid new machinest.. I have a hands on engine lathe and I love using it...along with a small craftsman I got it at a yard sale for intricate work.. the care and precision is actually fun to perform instead of doing it all by mouse.
I like to watch David Richards steam powered machine shop videos,,kieth ferner, abom79 ox tools, joe pie, etc..lots of great machining dudes showing off their skills and super educational.
@@mr.mckinnon5680 😱...🤦♂️damn bro
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True ! The more expensive part is generally depending on what level of warranty you want.
This is a custom grind, so it must be domestic. It just goes to show that quality is not about where the stuff is made, it's about the commitment that the company makes to quality.
Most shit "made in America" is mostly just assembled here. They have all sorts of sneaky laws they can use to technically call it made in America.
@@iian_ what cracked me up a few years back was a Briggs sticker on an engine that said
Assembled in USA
(With globally sourced parts)
The assembled in USA part was huge , you can barely read the rest of it.
@@MrTheHillfolk I've seen that many times. I have a 2009 civic and it actually had a breakdown of where it was made and such. It actually gave percentages. More reasonable way of going about it.
I know 99% sure who it is, and this is NOT isolated at all.
@@Digitalsharecropper then say it, im not a mechanic.
Utg you are 100% right. Someone should be fired. The could have cost Someone their life savings. As a lot of manufacturers wouldn't warranty it, saying it was an installation error.
that's why they were OK with shipping it.
Chances are this company wouldn't fire the employee that screwed up. They wouldn't be able to hire any one to replace them!
It also could have cost some poor mechanic his career. Bad parts calamities always seem to fall squarely on the guy that put it together. Picture the guy that has been on the job a few years and owes the tool truck $12,000. The engine he built munches the cam and block and the customer flips out and the shop has to buy a new engine and the mechanic gets fired. This happens a lot. "The inexperienced guy claims he did everything right. FIRE HIS ASS!"
No different than alot of the new vehicle lemons they sell. People finance $40,000 and the vehicle has many $3,000 repair bills before they hit 80,000 miles. My GM LS had the DOD failure at 93k. My wife's 35K mile CVT trans went bad. And our friends Jeep needed a motor, rear axle, drive shift and now Transmission before 75k miles. Crappy manufacturing is killing people financially.
I'm currently taking bets on how long it actually takes the "mystery manufacturer" to get the cam back to UT. This Friday and nothing else wrong with it? That will be a Christmas miracle and it's not even Halloween yet.
“Yes the quality control card says it has oversized journals” lmao
Maybe a part of this problem is that we don't call the manufacturers of junk out enough. Don't be shy Tony. You've had enough trouble with bad parts . Start naming names. Or maybe just show us the part boxes and you don't have to say a word !
"I was shipped a cam in this box, and this is what I got." kind of thing.
How many "chances to do the right thing" you gonna give these guys Tony?
Completely AGREE!!
@@subjectdelta1051 In this case or cases the promotion is backfiring..I think Bad Publicity only works in Hollywood..
I'm guessing they're a sponsor.
@@anthonysantiago1999 Not really. He won't say who they are.
in his defense, there's only so many places you can go. but the first time he complained about parts, he revealed it was Advanced Auto, and folks who worked there replied that AA doesn't pay well and so there's high turnover (if you've been to one, you concur) so that's why he got back the very same lifter he handed it to be returned (there was still oil in it). Needless to say, AA isn't the most expensive part company out there, if you catch my meaning.
sometimes you pay more to get quality. sometimes you pay more to take it in the shorts.
That quality control person probably has a large collection of participation trophies in their safe space.
Hahhh!
"lets go brandon" -yeah, couldn't resist, it might be theybe's name.
FJB
Lets go Brandon