abomination: grabs zemo off his back and yeets him through a wall, walks through that wall to find zemo's batered body as he says "Are you sure about that?"
If the Avengers battle cry is “Avengers Assemble”, the battle cry of the Masters of Evil should be “Tear them Apart” Also I love how EMH Zemo is voiced by the same guy who voices the Medic in Team Fortress 2
I got Thunderbolts number 1 when I was a kid mostly because it was the 90s and getting number 1s was just what you did, and I will never be able to replicate the equal parts of shock, betrayal, and mischievous glee I felt after reading that final page twist.
Baron Zemo has been my favorite supervillain since first issue of Thunderbolts, he is like a cross between Cobra Commander (GI Joe) and Doctor Doom. They did him dirty in the MCU because he is a super fun character, he is not a "magneto" doing evil for the better good, he is an egomaniac who thinks he is better than everyone else. His plans often fail because of his ego.
Zemo is a goddamn G in Earth’s Mightiest Heroes. I love that he’s pretty much unapologetically adapted from the comics. He’s like the Slade of that show
Good video, but a few points to add/note (Helmut Zemo os one of my favorite Marvel comics villains): - The EMH version was Heinrich Zemo; in his flashback, he had his classic design but when the Adhesive X spilled on him, it fused his entire costume to his body, with it shrinking & clinging so much that it became Helmut’s design. Helmut never appears in EMH, seemingly not existing. - The original Citizen V was killed by Heinrich Zemo. - While largely different, MCU Zemo is a more faithful adaptation than you’d think because… - Comics Helmut has been a well-intentioned extremist/honourable (in his view anyway) villain for a long time now. Helmut has never been a generic villain, his narcissistic personality has always been matched by an inner inferiority complex due to a childhood if abuse under his Nazi father. As the years went on, Zemo went through stark character growth, confronting his childhood & his father’s hateful ideology - fully rejecting prejudice & any form of superiority dogma and recognizing that his father was an awful man who deserved death, forsaking his revenge crusade against Cap. He’s remained a villain due to his extreme methods (and who’s to say his world would be better) through it all but his motivations are a legit desire to guard & better all people, end corruption & improve the world.
I've reached rank 89 in so little time thanks to people using Zemo and pulling Howard the duck, or Zabu or Renslayer, thinning my Living Tribunal combo deck.
8:27 It could also be a reference to Baron Zemo’s German/Nazi origin, as the Schutzstaffel literally translates to “Protection Squad” in German and yet had secret elite evil undertones with the symbol of two bolts of lightning being their insignia. Thanks for doing this by the way, Baron Zemo is my favorite Marvel character and my favorite Marvel villain overall. He’s very underrated and improperly represented in the MCU, he’s genuinely so cool. P.S: the hood that the Zemo family wears has been a tradition since the German medieval ages, as they were nobles who also participated in executions. Because Zemo was a Nazi scientist and an architect of death on a mass scale, he also wore it in a similar manner to an executioner. So, melting the hood onto the original Zemo was a way of symbolizing his atrocities being permanently bound to his identity. The man beneath it, never to be seen again. Moreover: that concept of binding atrocity and death to the flesh is another means of symbolizing how Helmut willfully adopts this monicker of death and atrocity, whereas his predecessor (whom thought himself to be righteous royalty) unwillingly had it forced upon him which also plays upon what once brought him power (death and war) and now brings him shame. It comes from the idea that a Nazi could always take his uniform off and you could never truly tell what he's responsible for or condemn him. But for the OG Zemo, the consequences of his actions became totally inseparable from him and his family.
This series has single-handedly influenced me to try out Marvel Snap. I used to play the other Marvel card game (I forget what it was called) and have been skeptical about Snap since. Thanks Nando!
I actually got a marvel masterworks volume as a kid that had the first ten issues of the avengers and Zemo was the most prominent villain in those issues, I think appearing 4 times total. He was also a pretty big villain in Earth’s mightiest heroes. I won’t act like I’m one of the biggest comic fans, but Zemo is definitely in my top 10 marvel villains.
I don’t know if calling the Red Hulk Thunderbolts the Suicide squad version of the team is accurate. If I remember correctly that version of the team was mostly just heroes that were willing to kill (Deadpool, Punisher, Agent Venom, etc.). For the Suicide Squad Thunderbolts I would parallel Luke Cage’s Thunderbolts from right after Dark reign ended since that was based around using villains who were still villains for government sanctioned missions while having a device that could take the villain out if they got out of line (granted it was a non-lethal shock collar and not a head bomb, but the same spirit)
I love the series, and find it really interesting to get this condensed backstory of these characters, but I do have to chime in and say, "Baron" is not "Lord for Germans." A Lord/Lady is a granted title, usually by a monarch, but are mostly honorific, like a Knighthood with Sir/Dame. Whereas Barons/Baronesses, Dukes/Duchesses and Counts/Countesses are Landed Titles, for a Barony, a Duchy, or a County.
Ironically, the Avengers cartoon that got Nando hooked on the character wasn't the main Helmut Zemo, it was just Henrich wearing his son's costume most of the time. Helmut was never mentioned in that universe.
Even though the MCU version is more interesting antagonist, I do like the personal aspect of Cap and Hemult's rivalry in the comics, with Zemo's father being the one who killed Bucky and now Hemult wants revenge against Cap for the death of his father, creating this "circle" in their dynamic. The fact that Zemo is the son of nazi scientist also shows the importance of Captain America in the modern day, bc, while most of his enemies from the war may be gone (with few exceptions like Red Skull), their ideals were passed to a new generation of villains, hence why the world needs a hero like Cap, to give people a better exemple to look up to and oppose those like Hemult.
I wouldn't call Red Hulks team the Suicide Squad version, I think thay belongs to the Civil War era where they were led by Norman Osborn and were mostly imprisoned criminals like Bullseye and Swordsman hunting down anti registration superheroes. Ross' Thunderbolts were mostly just antiheroes.
I’m v excited for Zemo, my main gripe is how much I love the newer 3 cost cards like Hope and Black Swan as well, I feel like I’m playing Magic again where I’m splitting decks and losing sight of what could really be the best here. Still stoked though!
really looking forward to the week after next; Red Guardian has such a good and interesting ability, I'm curious if it at matches up with his character.
Wow very cool character also really good way to addapt him to the game I think that him and Gladiator are the two carss with the most accurate habilities to their characters funny how both of them pull out cards from the opponent straight into the board Freat vudeo Nando can't wait for the rest
Ahhhhh so that's why u make videos abt characters that are getting cards, i was like (is that an accident? 🤔) wanted to be a smart-ass and point that out! 😂. Honestly as a die hard marvel fan zemo is one of my favs too (hopefully they give us a citizen V variant or smth), his card so far looks good, but man i wish cap (my fav personally) would've get a great rework or smth 😩. Just asking tho, u planning to get red hulky? 🤔 (I'll take a risk and try out those 2 keys on him lol)
Man, I wish they didn't waste him in Falcon & the Winter Soldier. He put on his iconic purple ski mask to kick ass only once and he dudn't bother to betray anyone.
I love how it's the inverse of Captain America, but provides similar value. Cap is a 3 cost 3 power with the ability to add 1 power to each of your cards on Location. So it becomes a 3 cost 7 power card. Baron Zemo is a 3 cost 5 power card that takes your opponent's lowest cost card, which will likely be a 1 or 2 cost 2 power disruption card like Black Widow, Scorpion, or Iceman. Which effectively makes it a 3 cost 7 power card
Cap doesn’t add +1 to himself, so he’s 3 6 with your example. Zemo can benefit a lot more than those cards you mentioned if you wait a turn or two or your opponent has specific decks, let’s list a few: Sunspot, HE Abomination, Mockingbird, negative decks with cards like Zola or Knull, or negative decks with things like Ironman to take it away from Invisible Woman/Hela/Tribunal decks. Sure, it’s niche, but I see all of those cards daily, and it’s not just because I play them. Anyway, thanks for coming to my TEDTalk.
"You've got no strength, no powers, so why are you the leader?"
Zemo puts Abomination on the ground.
"Because I'm better than you."
abomination: grabs zemo off his back and yeets him through a wall, walks through that wall to find zemo's batered body as he says "Are you sure about that?"
@mekiherring2088 yeah, but that wasn't in the show
@@mattwilson8298 what show
@@mekiherring2088 Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heros. Masters of Evil episode.
If the Avengers battle cry is “Avengers Assemble”, the battle cry of the Masters of Evil should be “Tear them Apart”
Also I love how EMH Zemo is voiced by the same guy who voices the Medic in Team Fortress 2
He also voiced and mocapped for Doomsday for Batman vs. Superman.
And just like that...my morning is made! Thx Nando
i gotchu
Fuckin same. About to walk my dog in a legit Swedish snowstorm and this is the content I need. (And layers, lots of layers) thank god
I was today old, when I learned Thunderbolts was not a ego trip for Red Hulk.
What do you mean by"ego trip"
@mekiherring2088 I thought General Thunderbolt Ross legit named the team after himself.
@@Rage_Templar he did also say they could leave whenever they want
I got Thunderbolts number 1 when I was a kid mostly because it was the 90s and getting number 1s was just what you did, and I will never be able to replicate the equal parts of shock, betrayal, and mischievous glee I felt after reading that final page twist.
Baron Zemo has been my favorite supervillain since first issue of Thunderbolts, he is like a cross between Cobra Commander (GI Joe) and Doctor Doom. They did him dirty in the MCU because he is a super fun character, he is not a "magneto" doing evil for the better good, he is an egomaniac who thinks he is better than everyone else. His plans often fail because of his ego.
His mask in the concept art feels like the chain mail mesh that the danish special forces wear. I would have totally loved that as a look.
Zemo is a goddamn G in Earth’s Mightiest Heroes. I love that he’s pretty much unapologetically adapted from the comics. He’s like the Slade of that show
Good video, but a few points to add/note (Helmut Zemo os one of my favorite Marvel comics villains):
- The EMH version was Heinrich Zemo; in his flashback, he had his classic design but when the Adhesive X spilled on him, it fused his entire costume to his body, with it shrinking & clinging so much that it became Helmut’s design. Helmut never appears in EMH, seemingly not existing.
- The original Citizen V was killed by Heinrich Zemo.
- While largely different, MCU Zemo is a more faithful adaptation than you’d think because…
- Comics Helmut has been a well-intentioned extremist/honourable (in his view anyway) villain for a long time now. Helmut has never been a generic villain, his narcissistic personality has always been matched by an inner inferiority complex due to a childhood if abuse under his Nazi father. As the years went on, Zemo went through stark character growth, confronting his childhood & his father’s hateful ideology - fully rejecting prejudice & any form of superiority dogma and recognizing that his father was an awful man who deserved death, forsaking his revenge crusade against Cap. He’s remained a villain due to his extreme methods (and who’s to say his world would be better) through it all but his motivations are a legit desire to guard & better all people, end corruption & improve the world.
I've reached rank 89 in so little time thanks to people using Zemo and pulling Howard the duck, or Zabu or Renslayer, thinning my Living Tribunal combo deck.
Worth mentioning that Osborn’s Thunderbolts were Marvel’s Suicide Squad before Red Hulk.
8:27 It could also be a reference to Baron Zemo’s German/Nazi origin, as the Schutzstaffel literally translates to “Protection Squad” in German and yet had secret elite evil undertones with the symbol of two bolts of lightning being their insignia.
Thanks for doing this by the way, Baron Zemo is my favorite Marvel character and my favorite Marvel villain overall. He’s very underrated and improperly represented in the MCU, he’s genuinely so cool.
P.S: the hood that the Zemo family wears has been a tradition since the German medieval ages, as they were nobles who also participated in executions. Because Zemo was a Nazi scientist and an architect of death on a mass scale, he also wore it in a similar manner to an executioner. So, melting the hood onto the original Zemo was a way of symbolizing his atrocities being permanently bound to his identity. The man beneath it, never to be seen again. Moreover: that concept of binding atrocity and death to the flesh is another means of symbolizing how Helmut willfully adopts this monicker of death and atrocity, whereas his predecessor (whom thought himself to be righteous royalty) unwillingly had it forced upon him which also plays upon what once brought him power (death and war) and now brings him shame. It comes from the idea that a Nazi could always take his uniform off and you could never truly tell what he's responsible for or condemn him. But for the OG Zemo, the consequences of his actions became totally inseparable from him and his family.
This series has single-handedly influenced me to try out Marvel Snap. I used to play the other Marvel card game (I forget what it was called) and have been skeptical about Snap since. Thanks Nando!
I actually got a marvel masterworks volume as a kid that had the first ten issues of the avengers and Zemo was the most prominent villain in those issues, I think appearing 4 times total. He was also a pretty big villain in Earth’s mightiest heroes. I won’t act like I’m one of the biggest comic fans, but Zemo is definitely in my top 10 marvel villains.
I don’t know if calling the Red Hulk Thunderbolts the Suicide squad version of the team is accurate. If I remember correctly that version of the team was mostly just heroes that were willing to kill (Deadpool, Punisher, Agent Venom, etc.). For the Suicide Squad Thunderbolts I would parallel Luke Cage’s Thunderbolts from right after Dark reign ended since that was based around using villains who were still villains for government sanctioned missions while having a device that could take the villain out if they got out of line (granted it was a non-lethal shock collar and not a head bomb, but the same spirit)
your love for Eath's Mightiest Heroes makes me so happy
I love the series, and find it really interesting to get this condensed backstory of these characters, but I do have to chime in and say, "Baron" is not "Lord for Germans." A Lord/Lady is a granted title, usually by a monarch, but are mostly honorific, like a Knighthood with Sir/Dame. Whereas Barons/Baronesses, Dukes/Duchesses and Counts/Countesses are Landed Titles, for a Barony, a Duchy, or a County.
good to know
Ironically, the Avengers cartoon that got Nando hooked on the character wasn't the main Helmut Zemo, it was just Henrich wearing his son's costume most of the time. Helmut was never mentioned in that universe.
Started playing marvel snap because of you
I just subscribed to your channel and I’m genuinely impressed with the quality of your content. Keep up the good work man.
Even though the MCU version is more interesting antagonist, I do like the personal aspect of Cap and Hemult's rivalry in the comics, with Zemo's father being the one who killed Bucky and now Hemult wants revenge against Cap for the death of his father, creating this "circle" in their dynamic.
The fact that Zemo is the son of nazi scientist also shows the importance of Captain America in the modern day, bc, while most of his enemies from the war may be gone (with few exceptions like Red Skull), their ideals were passed to a new generation of villains, hence why the world needs a hero like Cap, to give people a better exemple to look up to and oppose those like Hemult.
I wouldn't call Red Hulks team the Suicide Squad version, I think thay belongs to the Civil War era where they were led by Norman Osborn and were mostly imprisoned criminals like Bullseye and Swordsman hunting down anti registration superheroes. Ross' Thunderbolts were mostly just antiheroes.
I really like Daniel Bruhl's Zemo and more appearances of him is the main thing i look forward in the captain america side of things
Just found out bout this series but I love it! I hope the snap team sponsors you
Your reading recommendations 🎉🎉 please don't stop that info
I’m v excited for Zemo, my main gripe is how much I love the newer 3 cost cards like Hope and Black Swan as well, I feel like I’m playing Magic again where I’m splitting decks and losing sight of what could really be the best here.
Still stoked though!
really looking forward to the week after next; Red Guardian has such a good and interesting ability, I'm curious if it at matches up with his character.
Wow very cool character also really good way to addapt him to the game I think that him and Gladiator are the two carss with the most accurate habilities to their characters funny how both of them pull out cards from the opponent straight into the board
Freat vudeo Nando can't wait for the rest
so we're gonna pretend I didn't already watch this 2 hours ago 😭
He is really good in Marvel Crisis Protocol.
Ahhhhh so that's why u make videos abt characters that are getting cards, i was like (is that an accident? 🤔) wanted to be a smart-ass and point that out! 😂.
Honestly as a die hard marvel fan zemo is one of my favs too (hopefully they give us a citizen V variant or smth), his card so far looks good, but man i wish cap (my fav personally) would've get a great rework or smth 😩.
Just asking tho, u planning to get red hulky? 🤔 (I'll take a risk and try out those 2 keys on him lol)
I think Zemo and Red Hulk feel like great cards. I plan to get them both. We'll see about the rest.
thoughts on the MCU version of Zemo??
He's basically their answer to Billy Butcher from "The Boys" but with better reasons.
Man, I wish they didn't waste him in Falcon & the Winter Soldier. He put on his iconic purple ski mask to kick ass only once and he dudn't bother to betray anyone.
You kidding? MCU Zemo is great
Zemo note being in the Thunderbolts movie was the thing that made me lose excitement for that movie
I love how it's the inverse of Captain America, but provides similar value.
Cap is a 3 cost 3 power with the ability to add 1 power to each of your cards on Location. So it becomes a 3 cost 7 power card.
Baron Zemo is a 3 cost 5 power card that takes your opponent's lowest cost card, which will likely be a 1 or 2 cost 2 power disruption card like Black Widow, Scorpion, or Iceman. Which effectively makes it a 3 cost 7 power card
Cap doesn’t add +1 to himself, so he’s 3 6 with your example.
Zemo can benefit a lot more than those cards you mentioned if you wait a turn or two or your opponent has specific decks, let’s list a few:
Sunspot, HE Abomination, Mockingbird, negative decks with cards like Zola or Knull, or negative decks with things like Ironman to take it away from Invisible Woman/Hela/Tribunal decks.
Sure, it’s niche, but I see all of those cards daily, and it’s not just because I play them. Anyway, thanks for coming to my TEDTalk.
@@harleyjo4875 It recruits from the deck, so it's usually going to be one of those, turn 3 Sunspot, Lockjaw, or an Infinity Stone
So this means you’ll eventually talk about Taskmaster right? Right? Right? Right? Please. Please. Please. Please.
wait- so the Baron Zemo in Secret Wars was Helmut?! or his dad Heinrich? somebody school me plz
Zemo is cool! But he’s no X THE ELIMINATOR!