DSEI 2019: Future Eurofighter Typhoon development
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Charles Forrester talks to Paul Smith from BAE Systems about the RAF Typhoon 'Project Centurion' programme and future aircraft mission and capability enhancements.
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This guy brings a flurry of intelligent information distribution....very impressive. That is how presentation is to be done...clarity, substance and easy articulation.
unverifiable sales talk. Speak to the end users....oh you cant....it's classified.
@@anonymous2513456 Why the negativity with vague innuendo? You don't say anything, but clearly mean to sound privy and prescient. I wonder if the fact that you are neither even occurs to you?
What's unverifiable is your meaning, which is blurred by your obtuse language...
Alright alright, I'll put it on my Christmas wishlist.
Was hoping to hear about efforts to reduce the cost per flight hour, which is currently one of the big marks against the EF-2000 relative to other 4+ generation jet fighters. The performance is there, I think you can argue that the EF-2000 is the best air superiority platform currently being offered for export in the western world, but when operating and purchasing costs sit somewhere between advanced F-15 variants and the F-35, it becomes a less competitive package. Also would've liked to have heard more about integration of the conformal fuel tanks on Tranche 3+ EF-2000s.
Yes, I was hoping to hear more about CFT and if any nation will have the leading edge root extensions package in the future. But I did hear a quick comment about extra thrust! Though the eurifighter consortium have been talking about this for the last 10 years.. Maybe extra thrust from TVNs or engine modifications.
Thank you for your comment, I share your sentiments.
SPEAR EW sounds interesting.
@Legio XXI Rapax you say made all in italy but also in the UK. That doesn't make sense?
@Legio XXI Rapax Leonardo doesn't just build in the UK, it develops in the UK. There is a major radar innovation hub in Edinburgh.
Very similar to MALD-J
I wish I had the Typhoon in DCS.
HA! Exactly what I was thinking!
@@Skiiwa Meanwhile the new F-16 turns out to be very promising. It's already a lot of fun.
@@mururoa7024 Oh Yea! F16 is one heck of a dog fighter so far in DCS!
It's happening!!
@@szymonjarczewski3709 maybe ready in 1 - 2 years, its so exciting !!! wont be any tranche 3 + tho , cant wait for the day is released
You British, and the rest of this world, have come such a long way since the Falklands War. Back then, an entire squadron needs to fly in tight formations with an EW/ECM dedicated aircraft.
You're right but so have the quality of us pilots since the raf trained them in f4 phantoms to fight the north Koreans.
@lindowan123 no f4 phantoms
@lindowan123 Google American top gun fighter pilot academy.
@lindowan123 nothing wrong with learning. I think people forget that the British isles although small have thousands of years of history. The USA is only a couple hundred years old.
They keep forgetting, if you can't keep the aircraft operational, it does no good.
+1
Typhoon leads the way.
Brimestone imho, is probably the best missile in use today.
Best missile is a bit vague, it's good at it's job.
@@davidhouseman4328 Yeah, it sucks at engaging aircraft. I think he needs to be a bit more specific.
Ah, what nice upgrades. Meanwhile, the Luftwaffe Typhoon pilots would be happy to get enough flight hours in.
The luftfwaffe will also get these updates sooner or later. The project is still international, the technology and production is shared
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What’s the problem about mission data? Is it that countries using Typhoon are obliged to share observed radar data ?
Its that some of the threat evaluation and assessments of hostile equipment/deployments is classified and they cant share it with export customers. So for example if you have a countermeasure tied to the capabilities of a hostile weapon (e.g. its known operating frequencies and ranges) and that nation gets hold of that information through a export customer then they will know what about their weapon systems they will need to improve/alter to penetrate the countermeasures.
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Freedommmmmmmmmmm never looked so good.
Get those tic tacs.
United Kingdom will sell its Eurofighter tranche 1 to Chile in 2023.
Interviewer: "Can you talk to us about some of the recent program changes?"
Retired pilot: *struggling to resist bragging* "I-- I USED TO BE A PILOT"
Eurofighter+F-35 = RAF easily best air force in Europe.
Italy says snap.
Italy says hi!
They keep comparing manoeuvrability but they forget about typhoons superior targeting system.
Everyone knows modern planes spend 90% of their time dog fighting in knife fighting range only using long range missiles when it suits the plot, wait a minute.
@@Kakarot64. people are fucking dumb what do you expect
So if the RAF had to a ground strike today will this plane just tag behind the tornado jets to get the real job done as before?
Please convince me that I'm wrong to say that it is a lot of automatic systems and that relying so much ont automatic system is not a good idea. Having missile counter-measures to be automatically deployed, that sounds a lot like something a decoy could force trigger a typhoon to expand all of its flares.
How many stores are you putting on this thing!!! With that level of Multi-Role capability maybe you should call it a Mosquito#2..
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I hope the Swiss will by the Typhoon!
I think I'm going to hang onto the Mondeo for another year. Thanks anyway.
why he kept looking to the camera?
This is what Canadian forces need
@Joshua Ngau Ajang nope, cost has been a problem for Typhoon exports.
There are talk that you maybe getting them 206 of them.
@@gunshipzeroone3546 The Canadian fighter competition is for 88 jets.
Zasto se motori iz EF-2000 Typhoon ne koriste za prenamjenu u civilne avione poput Airbusa!?
price
Towed decoy seems counter productive, the aircraft is already in the 'hot spot'. Surely there must be a high speed 'drone missile' to pre-emptive any threat and also pre-warning of upcoming offencive device.
Towed Decoy is a "last ditch" type defence, its for when you already have a missile inbound and the decoy's job is to lure the missile away from the jet itself or confuse it to the point that you force it to miss. what your describing seems to be the job being done by "Spear EW" assuming it has 2-way data link, that said the nature of radar means you should normally be able to detect a radar signal long before you're ever close enough for that radar to detect you.
Smashing aircraft.
Typhoon is the better than su30
Ok people one thing you are all forgetting. The typhoon can shoot 360 degrees including through the floor and target anywhere the pilot looks. That's why it doesn't need thrust vectoring. Do your homework. 😊
Wont be shooting through the floor with its cannon though.
@@cardude1992 lol
@@cardude1992
You mean the cannon that's only fitted as a backup weapon for when missiles are expended and the pilot doesn't return to base for more, or as a means of close air support in areas with an already controlled airspace?
Are these upgrades for RAF Typhoons, or all EF2000 operators?
Depends on who is paying, IIRC Germany, Italy and Spain are not paying so dont get them. I think Saudi are contributing with the UK so will get them (or some of them). If the other nations want them, they will have to pay. RAF/UK is leading the way, Typhoon replaced Tornado for the RAF with precision strike, Germany did not buy in and so they are still looking for a Tornado replacement (German Tornados can carry nuclear weapons, RAF dont so its not like for like). RAF Typhoons are currently the most advanced but I think Saudi may be buying a similar type.
@@hishonoursirdrinksalot1916 Thanks for the input. That's pretty much as I expected.
@@hishonoursirdrinksalot1916 You say German Tornadoes can carry nuclear weapons.? Germany is not a nuclear armed nation. Are you sure you've got that right?
If I'm not mistaken, RAF Tornadoes were capable of delivering the WE.177 tactical nuclear bomb before it was withdrawn from service in the 1990s.
edit* According to Wikipedia, eight squadrons of RAF Tornadoes were armed with nukes.
@@poppedweasel they're US nukes, B61s. There's a few NATO nations equipped to use them.
@@davidhouseman4328 Ah fair enough. I appreciate the correction. German armed nukes. Who'd have thought?
3D thrust?
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I would have asked "how does each system you just highlighted compare to the F-35?", Keep in mind BAE is a part of the F-35 program, they make parts of the aircraft.
@Legio XXI Rapax the Tempest will never make it into production. Don't know if you've noticed, but everyone seems to have their own "homebrew" F-22 coming soon...
@Hammer 001 Let history be your guide...
@Legio XXI Rapax all is good till you realize that the BAE systems is the supplier of the Patriot targeting system......So yeah, just more NATO junk.
Hammer 001 I am actually amazed that we are again partnering with other countries to develop and build a fighter aircraft! About ten years ago, there was an audit commission report on the Typhoon which stated that while a satisfactory aircraft had eventually gone into service,, due to the considerations made for the partner nations, it was still a compromise for RAF use, was much, much more expensive than necessary, and also was significantly delayed from entry into service due to France dropping out of the project and Germany (as always!) wanting a simpler fighter. The conclusion made by the government was that in future, the UK would either develop and build it’s own combat aircraft or by them off the shelf if they fully fit RAF needs. And here they are a few years later, building a fighter in partnership with other nations, one of whom is virtually bankrupt! We really need to hang, draw and quarter a few politicians.
@@SvenTviking The UK followed the Typhoon with the F35, neither a solo development or a pure purchase.
The difference with the Tempest project from Typhoon may be that it more of British project with help rather than a full collaboration. The agreement with Sweden for example was about developing systems rather than commitment to a final jet.
Great im in
I thought F35 killed EF2000
They are a separate entity and designed to work together.
@@andrew19682008 I mean is the EF2000 still being acquired by the partner countries?
@@JASHVEER22 still being acquired and still being upgraded. Did you know they also developed thrust vectoring and a amk for it? Just where everyone thinks it's the best 4+ out there no one has had the upgrades done.
Drop the kool aid kiddo
Harris Naseem And who do you work for?
Nice.
I wish theyd put the eurofighter on the new carreer.
@VectorGhost there isn't a naval version of the Typhoon.
F-35B is perfectly capable, no need for Navalised Typhoon for the UK. UK would be better buying F35A to complement the Typhoon operating from ground bases and sticking with F35B for the Carriers. We aren't America and trying to go toe to toe with a peer nation from the Carriers is not possible on our budget and manpower.
The UK is more like the US Marines than the USAF and US Navy but with Airborne!
@Hammer 001 the F35s are joint operated. Theu have RAF and Navy pilots that will fly from either land or sea as appropriate.
@Hammer 001 617 squadron is RAF, 17 and 207 are RAF. David Bradshaw, the Lightning force commander is RAF, lots of the pilots are RAF. What you want for the carriers doesn't change the reality that it's a joint force.
Typhoon is way too advanced than its nearest rival the Rafale. The only system it needed to beat the Russians and Americans best is a multi axis thrust vectoring the manyfacturer promised before.
Way too advanced ? It still has mechanical radar, while Rafale has AESA radar since 2011...
Looks like 70s tech
" remain survivable ". How about you try this neat new technology called " stealth "? Your enemies can't shoot you down if their radar can't see you. I'd love to see 20 of these go head to head against 20 F-22's. Not to mention, Japan is looking to upgrade the YF-23 airframe and use it. If that's the case, this thing is going to seem like a flying brick that has a prop engine.
They can shoot you down if there IRST sees you instead. If your counter measures are good internally stowed weapons are going to start running out. I imagine the F22 is still better but stealth isn't a silver bullet.
And Japan bought extra F35 because the YF-23 didn't look feasible.
In many NATO trainings, the typhoons shoot down the F22. Stealth only works for certain frequencies. If newer radars are deployed, steahlth is useless. The F22 has great long range kill potential. But if the other plane counters these missles, the F22 has a 50/50 chance even to the weak German Typhoons.
@@nils9853 stealth doesn't become useless, just less useful.
Stealth is overrated, visible with new radars, and expensive for maintenance.
So, basically SPEAR makes the F-35 redundant (except for the STOVL capability) while being faster, more maneuverable, having superior payload-range performance and... being more versatile, a more cost effective and reliable platform alltogether.
SPEAR III is looking at about a 100 mile range. Capable air defences now and certainly in the future will be able to engage the Typhoon before that. The F35 can get closer to safely deliver SPEAR.
@@EmperorLionflame how is using a stealthy airframe to get closer nonsensical?
@@EmperorLionflame the whole point of a stealth aircraft is the ability to get closer undetected but you shouldn't risk that?
@@EmperorLionflame because it costs more.
@@EmperorLionflame You seem to be saying there's an environment the Typhoon can operate in and then there's an environment for long range stand off weapons but there's no environment in between for the F35. The place the F35 was specifically designed for.
They should stop wasting money building these planes that definitely could not survive a peer to peer conflict!! They may be able to fight against a 3rd world country. European countries should team up if they can and build planes as good as the F22 or F35 aircraft. The European jets will always need the F35 or F22 to kick the door down so these planes can then enter with the F35 feeding them target info. These European planes was top notch years ago but way outdated these days!
Nobody gonna buy these jets coz bae don't provide good service spare parts doesn't get on time many jets get grounded by shortages of spare parts just look Germany and British airforce Germany almost 85% jets are grounded😂😂😂😂
People are buying them, Kuwait is the latest.
Tejas is far better than Typhoon.
Do you actually think that?
And how is that? Typhoon is faster, longer ranged, can carry far more ordinance plus it has twin engines for added safety redundancy (the Tejas has one engine). And I doubt it is behind the Tejas in avionics. So - other then wing loading (though the Typhoon has canards which I assume helps in that regard) and cost per unit - what advantage doe the Tejas have over the Typhoon?
P 51 is far better than Tejas...
@@richardparker9595 Shooo... No one wants to hear your nonsense.
Not even close. Typhoon is one of the best fighter aircraft. With the addition of AESA radar it is very comparable to Rafale, another great fighter that India recently purchased.
Not stealth, no good. Simple.
Not in the slightest. There are plenty of roles where stealth isn't even helpful and lots more where its only an advantage not essential.
David Houseman there are literally no situations where stealth is not an advantage. This why all 5th and 6th generation jets have stealth technology.
Even the U.S. Navy has its doubts on a purely stealth force. Coupled with newer radars and IRST, and the absurdly expensive maintenance of stealth aircraft, I'd rather invest in EW and countermeasures.
@@georgesofocleous943 A couple of examples. Attacking ground targets without capable air defence ie. ISIS. And patrolling airspace where you physically intercept aircraft ie. Russian bomber buzzing NATO airspace.
Stealth isn't a yes/no question, it's how much emphasis there is on it. Reports are the US Navy is looking at a lower emphasis in favour of more capable missiles.
Typhoon is a great aircraft and will get better with a new E-scan radar, since it was cruelly missing an AESA before. This was long overdue!
BTW there is no such thing as stealth it's a misleading marketing gimmick. It is nothing more than low observable aircraft which means nothing is stealth or invisible, ie you will get detected at shorter ranges if you have low RCS. Radar tech is continuously improving and so is the ability to detect low RCS aircraft at longer ranges.