Should an ESPN & NFL deal be allowed to happen?; Was the NFL on Peacock just the beginning?
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- Meadowlark Media CEO John Skipper and Nothing Personal's David Samson are back with another episode with host of Pablo Torre Finds Out ... Pablo Torre! Welcome to the Sporting Class! The NFL could invest into ESPN... what exactly does that mean? What would the NFL get out of this? What would ESPN get out of this? (20:25) The NFL exclusive playoff game on Peacock was the most streamed event in US history. Was this a win? Is the future now? Hope you've got a strong internet connection! (33:45) Regional Sports Networks are on life support. Is Amazon its Dr. Frankenstein? Let’s discuss. (48:00) ESPN had a problem with the Emmys. Real Emmys for fake people. It led to some firings, but was it really a big deal?
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I want to see the venn diagram of folks who watched Sports Reporters as a kid on ESPN and now watch this show in their 40s.
pablo quickly became the best podcaster on meadowlark
Low bar
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I havent heard pablo in a while. He's ok but dan is still the best
Hes great, great addition.
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Meadowlark has an uncut gem with these three discussing sports business. Make it a weekly pod and throw in an occasional guest. Fireworks
This was a great conversation! Was the room too small for a wide camera shot? I've never been a fan of all the separate panels.
A paywall and/or PPV Super Bowl is perfect stage for hackers to compete to see who can break in. The question is what they will do? Go extreme, offensive, silly, or smart funny.
This might be one of the best business segments going anywhere right now.
minor additive detail on why linear cable subs care: they are getting squeezed from both sides (rate increases and less content as more moves to streaming-only). Skipper hit it in a previous show about how traditional cable was the best value in entertainment.
For someone who doesn't care about watching live sports (highlights are fine for me) Cable was not a better value. I can get Netflix, Max, Hulu, D+, Prime, Paramount+, Peacock and Apple TV+ for a bit less than the cable package I had 20 years ago. I can get all those for half of what I was paying when I cut the cord in 2019 (and It wasn't even a the top tier package). I could add a couple things sports related on to all those streaming services and It would still be cheaper than cable.
Need this trio and their discussions more often. Meadowlark with another one!!!!
Fascinating insights on American sports 'products', corporate governance in sports business and media, and all the power dynamics in-between! 🤓
Revenue and merchandise
I love how these two media executives conveniently forget that all these teams and leagues play their games in publicly financed stadiums that share no revenues with the communities in which they are located. That financing piece includes federal exemptions for the municipal bonds so that means we are all paying for these flashy stadiums and their upkeep. So excuse me if I think even though I live in NYC that I'm a little entitled to watch a playoff game between the Chiefs and Dolphins without opening up my wallet again.
I live in ny. And that's ridiculous. My entire family consists of dolphins fans. The pay wall is up for every game except primtime and jets. This is nothing new.
It's up to the local politics to approve such deals. VOTE.
@@TreeHouseClubTV I feel sorry that you live in a city / state that can’t say no to using taxpayer funds to subsidize stadiums for the financial benefit of billionaire owners. In California, the vast majority of pro sports venues in the state were 100% privately finance without a cent of public subsidy. The honor roll of California teams that privately financed their venues includes the: Dodgers ( Dodger Stadium), Lakers / Kings (Staples Center), Clippers ($2B Intuit Dome to be completed later this year), Rams / Chargers ($5B SoFi Stadium), Giants (Oracle Park), 49ers (Levi’s Stadium), Warriors (Chase Center), and three 20,000+ seat MLS stadiums. In addition to California taxpayers not paying a cent to construct these venues, they comprise one of the best collection of sports venues in the world.
Supporting taxpayer subsidies for a pro sports venue is a sure way for a California politician to get booted out of office.
I love these segments!
Great show...VERY informative...
Gotta have Pablo and Samson sit next to each other so that Skipper doesn't look like he's watching a tennis match all show.
Great show, love these talks!
I love listening in on the discussion of sports and business
Tv revenue and merch
I love these type of conversations. You 3 should do a podcast about this subject more often
Adding to Pablo's point about the belief of people thinking that the NFL is an extension of civic institution: the success of the NFL over its history is in fact due to its relationship to civic contract. The regional support to a team and its identity, the taxes that subsidize stadiums and practice facilities and other infrastructure, the federal subsidies and protections the NFL benefits from, etc. It's not entirely ridiculous for people to have a visceral reaction to having games behind a paywall. My point isn't comprehensive, but I think it's completely understandable that people are told all of the time how the NFL and its teams need these subsidies and tax dollars and protections because of how they stimulate the economy, and then on the other hand be expected to just accept every time the NFL tries to squeeze every last dollar out of everyone. Of course, as a business, if you give them a lane they're gonna take it, but it's not nothing that people feel as though they're violating a social contract.
The public subsidy of sports venues is a very rare occurrence in California, as the Dodgers, Lakers / Kings, Clippers, Rams / Chargers, Giants, 49ers, Warriors & 3 MLS teams all play in stadiums that were 100% privately financed with not a cent of public subsidy.
I'll take it further. ESPN has no business being in gambling. They can push the lines of games via their analysts. How they're allowed to do that is beyond me.
This is the most insightful discussion ❤
John Skipper always Does the best lines.. "ERR" has the best lines. 🤣
You 3 rock our information genes.
Not paying for Peacock. Just surged the sports myself ;)
Man, this is some interesting high level, inside-baseball(pun?) shit. Can't get enough.
I am a fan of this podcast. I only have one issue. I wish Pablo would put more production value in this podcast just as he does with Pablo Torre Finds Out. This podcast has like no intro or ending. Just a hard opening and cut
No nonsense, straight to business?
For me it's all about that Bass line. It set me right.
BEST TRIO DISCUSSING SPORTS BUSINESS AND IT'S INTRICACIES
Weren't the viewership numbers ballooned with local markets and potentially some other funky number counting?
Looks like I’m gonna have more time on my hands😂
Thank you for the jetblue spirit take.
Makes sense... ESPN is the market leader and is best positioned between cable and streaming. Consolidate the fragmented viewership
You know who would make sense to buy a stake or take control of ESPN it would be Netflix. They can take ESPN+ to another level.
This is a good talk
If a game goes PPV do the commercials go away? Do the players now have to play straight minutes without the commercial breaks?
Hell no. All the PPV stuff still has commercials within the breaks.
This is the free market and if a private business has a product that the consumer will buy.....nothing wrong with that.
Didn't he literally cancel a show because the NFL told them to? I actually loved that show too
ESPN would take money from anyone right now. They already are in bed w Penn gaming, so by proxy the NFL will be in bed w a gambling company
Great conversation. Less great camera work.
Throw in Dominique to the group and it's gold
So glad I’m at a stage in life that I can walk away. The game’s not what it used to be for me, so pay wall or PPV means count me out. Nope
Everytime I hear the old guy talk I think of the guy from Timmy turned
26:45 For him to say that people are upset because they felt entitled to watch the game is so out of touch. People are upset because this is going the way of boxing where boxing made everything pay-per-view and split between different channels
Aren't they both owned by Draft Kings?
Let me guess, let me guess, let me guess..Samson is basically fine with the NFL investing in ESPN.
This should never happen and should be illegal. Why are you the only ones talking abt this?
If the public shouldn't have the right to access the NFL .... fine. Just don't be asking to use insanely expensive resources WE pay for to defend the nation (as well as a host of other services) to prop up the sport.
Why would the NFL piss money away by investing in ESPN?? The network television viewership crowd is getting smaller every day
Exclusive/bias coverage and business collective that will likely be a paywall.
Money. Money is always the answer.
No it's not
I think the industry often overvalues the desire that sports fans have for "journalism" on ESPN. Fans want to see games, highlights of games they missed, and some degree of analysis of the upcoming games. We don't want Woodward and Bernstein trying to run around and find scandals or work against the sports as we've always known them and enjoyed them.
Ah, the nuances of selling out in late stage capitalism
What's your definition of selling out? People tend to fit it to whatever they dislike.
Super Bowl will be app exclusive behind a pay wall in less that 2 years.
How far out is it currently contracted?
... Conflict argument is dead... NFL always had sway and they already have NFL media lol...
The only show on Le Batard network that does not involve Le Batard smelling his own fumes.....Stugotz, Samson , and Skipper are solid though
Skipper looks like he's still doing coke
Too much NFL- everywhere and all the time coverage of pro football is gross
First
can't they get someone less horrific than pablo?
For a couple of smart guys they say a bunch of dumb shit.