Gura Explains How She Learned How To Voice Her Opinions
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- Just a note: some people are taking this out of context and using it to say she is in conflict with Hololive or in some sort of controversy. This isn't the case. Cover seems to be a fair and honest company and I have a lot of trust that they will and always have acted in the best interests of the talents. I know there are some of you who dislike Cover for some reason, but if you want to complain about them, please take it somewhere else.
It's nice to hear that she is taking more control over decisions, Gura has a good sense of her audience and I'm sure Cover appreciates her knowledge and experience.
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I think it might be better to put the title as "voice her opinions" rather than disagreeing with management's decisions. Different nuance
???... is you say "i would prefer it this way" or " i like it more like this" you *are* disagreeing with what they offered first, but you are also giving another option and not just saying no
@@ultimatesonic47 Both you and I know that's not the nuance the video title gives. Especially since it sounds more like Gura has been learning to feel more comfortable voicing her opinions. Which I can tell you is not where I thought this was going from the title.
@@ultimatesonic47 words hace weight. And you have to remember there's a portion of people who only read thumbails from clips ans take it as facts.
If you use stuff as "she says no" "upset about..." "feeling sad". Sone folks will just run home with that even tho the clip has nothing to do with it.
This one is talking about how Gura feels mor confident to provide imput and voice her opinions, yeah that is "disagreeing" but when people read the word without context, it has a distinct flavor that may end up causing misinformation or drama out of literaly nowhere.
We've been through this and even the talents have voiced their opinions on the matter
@@ultimatesonic47 there is a difference between "this is wrong" and "this could be better"
Yeah the title had me baited
*_"Do not be afraid to try new stuff"_*
~ Kiryu Coco to - Myth - on her graduation day
Everyone's been taking Mama's words to heart, and look at where we are now. Good stuff all around.
And following Papachama's lead in being creative and pushing the boundaries
Not just that. She's extremely professional as a content creator. Gura earned all the success she got.
in a very densely packed vtuber climate with limited market, they will only survive if Hololive talents keep pushing their creativity. I'm glad also that managers are there to take care of their mental health because they are very prone to stressful situation
I still miss her so much
Well CoCo returning to her previous form as KSON, and actually gaining a shitton more revenue for herself and losing zero popularity, is also a BIG SIGNAL, that middle management organizations like Hololive are probably unnecessary fat.
I'm glad she's asserting more creative control
Reminds me of Korone in which management eventually gave up... err supported her decisions about endurance streams.
I need help, I read this in a mix voice of Gura and the Harbinger from Mass Effect
Shart General: I am assuming creative control
@@themanidentifiedasdinosaur8138 They probably still continue to try to get her to rest though.
@@themanidentifiedasdinosaur8138Or Haachama who straight up murdered her manager and is since then communicating to the rest of Hololive with a puppet as her manager
She is asserting dominance XD
For Holomyth's situation, some of them are already an experienced content creator. They just need some time learning how to cooperate with overseas company.
I'm sure company and creators both are learning from this and creating middle ground to negotiate.
@@ZeroShrimpy I agree.. Differences in culture is definitely something they're learning slowly together between company and talents
I think this is a good thing rather than a bunch of lovely people being forced to portray something they don't agree with though imo
I think they already gave up on controlling them... They just give something in the beginning then let them do whatever they want as long as it's reasonable...
That's how you create a mumei...
@@jdcreep5394 sugar, spice and fresh meat
Reminds me of Coco's 3D debut, when she forced the riggers to give her hips more and more swingability so that she could do the USDA-approved Shakira hip rolls, and kept getting begged by managers to stop while she continued doing all those hilariously un-seiso sexy leg-spread dance moves.
The word your looking for is "bones" - as an animator.
@@stephenlim7564
Technically you could limit the "swingability" by limiting the rotational movement of the bones, but if they just didn't design it with that in mind it probably did require more bones.
But they also fixed position her middle fingers so she couldnt flip off the camera
Ah you mean when she brang back the dumpy and started twerking ? Ye good times
Considering Gura's frankly massive audience and influence, management would have to be pretty dumb to ignore her opinions. Thankfully Hololive is decently lax on the creative side so we get a more fun and natural experience
i don't think company ignore any suggestions as we have seen in ame side with her projects and other stuff company was very open to do other stuff and experiment new things what I'm seeing here is lack of communication gura is shy and introvert as most of members so they just too shy to put there opinion on meeting.
I think this is more on Gura being able to put her foot down and express herself and having the power to do so as Hololive's biggest content creator. It seems they're much more stricter on the Japanese side, something Coco expressed as a big problem with working with Cover, to the point any suggestion she had would be immediately shot down.
Considering they got rid of one of their highest SC/sub girls in the JP side, I'd say they are kinda dumb. The biggest difference between Gura and Rushia though is that EN is a fairly small group meaning they have a lot more dedicated fans that may have no interest in their other branches. Their personalities are also incredibly different so its easier to attract specific audiences. Get rid of someone in EN and its quite likely they'll lose a lot of people which is also a lot of revenue. Get rid of Rushia and...well...there's 25+ other vtubers in hololive on the JP side and most likely...that person watches other channels. They're kinda stuck.
That being stated, Gura certainly had issues in the beginning and she had to learn to stop making a huge deal over them. Gura is more lax now and I feel like she's a lot more in control of how she wants to do things without fears things will go wrong. That's certainly contributed to her ongoing popularity.
it is not about highest sub or something like that.. Everyone can push their ideas to management. Gura is not treated as special or something because of that.
@@Kaimine08 Rushia got rid of herself tho. She broke her NDA, Cover pretty much have to fire her at that point. If gura breaks contract she will also be fired, it has nothing to do with who they "can" get rid off it's about whether the employee follows their agreed upon contract.
I love her original bgm
This!! I actually caught myself just vibing to the original bgm and had to replay to actually pay attention to what she was saying lol
It's an anthem for me
Same, why did they change it tho ?
@@zliWhoHatesCarrots to make us appreciate the original bgm
@@zliWhoHatesCarrots It made Gura crazy. Seems enough time have passed for her to put it back on again :D
She's the biggest vtuber in Hololive. Management would be stupid to clash with her. She definitely deserves to have a huge say in her content and creative control.
I agree. Gura said she spoke up about getting her Atlantis outfit. Originally they wanted her to dress like a princess. She didn't want to. She sent different pictures over to show what she wanted. Gura was right. I love that outfit. It's definitely more her then a princess.
It took me a good while to learn this in the professional world (software engineering), but it's an extremely important lesson. Being able to voice your opinions and concerns-both openly *and* respectfully-is what separates the leaders from the followers.
yes, being able to communicate thoughts and opinions well is probably the single most useful skill for professional as well as private relationships of any kind.
Depends entirely on the environment, tho. I worked 15 years for a company that DEMOTED me because I expressed multiple times different opinions and obtained better results than my peers.
I vividly remember getting scolded because I told the guys in my team to not follow standard procedures, because they made zero sense, and write something more logical to our customers than our standard forms.
Got told harshly to not take initiative and go back to follow standards.
Only to, a few weeks later, being demanded to change those forms to the ones I CREATED, which were stolen by another person who took credit for the changes, to add insult to injury.
No shit Sherlock!
@@Shendue This sounds like an Ace Attorney argument with that profile picture
I like how Gura usually is a goofball, but the moment you notice her voice gets deeper, it's Business Gura.
It's a learning process for both the content creator and the management company to learn a good middle ground for decisions. That is something many creators don't quite think about when they decide to join a management company, you get the support and resources of the company, but they got a big say in what you do and will likely enforce some rules you need to follow.
Im glad that Gura is able to give input, since us fans generally are there for her, not Hololive/Cover.
I'm glad that Gura is voicing her opinion, good communication between talent and management is always important, I wonder if there could be something like a Vtuber guild or something similar to SAG
Is SAG the VA's Guild? Cause they did an awful job doing anything for thier members when they went on strike.
I don't know what union culture is like in Japan but I cannot imagine unionising Hololive would work in any way.
@@thrownstair As far as I know unions are nonexistent in Japan
@@Jpmrocks7 I think they have a Voice over department, but their main focus is Screen Actors
@@thrownstair Yeah I don't think they have nothing of sorts in Japan, you either are lucky with your coworkers and boss or just change, such is the culture of Japan, but in this casa is different, talents can't be easilly replaced, they know nowadays they take minimum 1 year to recruit 5-10 idols (it feels like the auditions are getting longer and longer) so keeping whatever they had specially after losing their top 2 earners back to back is of utmost importance
Gura is not just an Idol or a Vtuber, she's a great Content Creator
Also cheese. Specifically gouda
This holds true in all fields, not just content creation. Being able to convey ideas and concepts to others can make a huge difference in the end result.
As someone who struggles to voice her opinions due to fears of conflict, it's really nice when you get to hear someone talking about voicing their own. It reminds me that it's ok to not be afraid to say my piece too.
yes
The parallels between vtubing and professional wrestling are pretty crazy.
Gura - Brother
Dude. I never that about it that way, but it is dead on.
yeah it's pretty much the same job without the wrestling part,they even have to keep some level of kayfabe
She's growing so fast... I'm getting misty eyes here.
@FstSergeant8595 dam people can't voice their opinions and feelings, I say that's a little ...*cringe*
@@musicreality9543 No what OP said was fucking stupid.
@@codycigar6542 in what way?
I swear to god, her background music makes me actively lose brain cells. I love it!
me too heehehe
When you're the most popular Vtuber / one of the biggest Vtubers you definitely deserve a say in creative ideas and decisions
Hololive has an enormous amount of talent and creative energy all around. In a lot of cases, I think the company is lucky to have the talent and not the other way around. It would be absolutely silly and self-defeating of them to just treat them like performers. You have top tier, world class creatives at your fingertips. Let them get involved as much as they want to in the creative process.
Coco's last word of advice was for them to never stop trying new things
That dancing Mio, man...
It's from the curry ad
Mama is such a wonderful dancer.
Need to find that at my market.
I always thought having someone write a song for you and someone else do the music and mixing and all you do is sing it would be kind of a shallow experience, not everyone is a song writer and it doesn't have to be about music, but just even having one idea go into a project is enough to make it something you can be more proud of.
In a sense a songwriter could see singers as instruments.
Theirs a power metal band I listen to that rarely rhymes the lyrics of their songs. Their just telling a story while singing. Song writing can take many forms but yeah not everyone can make a song
@@orangeapples the voice IS considered an instrument for songwriting.
Most people: "How do I say this..."
Gura: "How do I word-spaghetti this..."
Love that Shark Lady
Navigating the seas of a work environment is tricky, you learn as you go. Glad to hear that she does have some say in what happens and what she gets to do
Kiara did say there is a bit of a skill in dealing with Japanese companies, since she'd worked for them before
It's always good to be vocal about your choices and opinions, it builds better communication and creates better content in the end. Good for Gura!
It's good that she learned how to do this, it's a good thing for everyone to learn
I think the Umisea skit dialogue was brought to us by the “Gura just says ok” era
I get the impression that Myth members didn't even have any input with that. They were probably sent a script and told "you have a day to read and record episodes A and B, here's the animatics" which were already done.
I mean the UMISEA is a project from hololive not Gura's. Gura is talking about her own thing like reflect, song covers and outfits on how she is trying to voice out what she truly wants. An example of this is her Atlantean outfit, Gura's cat outfit was left to her artist because at that time Gura is in her "yes" era but in her next outfit she actually sent a whole pdf of references so that her artist can understand what she wants to be in her outfit.
Let me just say this:
For the most part, Gura's statement applies to every job situation. If you have the experience, and you're the one interacting with the customer or whatever, then YOU know what consequences or results may occur under certain situations, and/or how to gain the best results. Management may tell you to do something in particular, and maybe in a specific way, but if you feel it should be done differently in order to prevent a potential issue, or to bring in better results, then you should definitely speak up. Don't ARGUE... but VOICE AN OPINION. Some members of management are total dictators, and will just shoot you down immediately... but a good manager will listen, consider, re-evaluate, and may change their mind, if needed/possible.
A lot of managers will gain serious respect for you if you do this and prove positive results. On the other hand, if you do this all the time with negative results, then you become that person who just always talks back. So, you have to be careful.
That was masterfully answered, I only catch her streams every here and then but it makes me respect her even more.
This title is super misleading, it's not "Hololive Decisions", it's Gura having realized over the past year+ that she's grown confident enough to say "Hey, I think this thing would suit me better"
i think the overwhelming success of her channel probably gives her a lot more influence over decisions in Hololive EN and to a lesser extent, Hololive in general. Maybe it doesn't contribute too all of her freedom and confidence to request things a bit out of left field, but it definitely would help.
Agreed. I fixed it. It was late at night and I wasn't thinking of the potential interpretations that could be derived from it. Sorry about that.
This makes me quite happy to hear, since Gura is the biggest Vtuber there is her opinions could have enough weight to affect the whole culture, and her being the lovely young lass she is she'll only affect it in a positive way
Good for her. She has a lot of talent and experience with entertaining, so she should definitely get a say in what she does or doesn’t do.
Hopefully Cover is willing to listen and flex with some of her ideas too.
Proud Of Ya Sharky!
I'm very happy for Gura!
OMG, what? She's using her original theme music again 🤩. Man, this takes me back. Always loved it, this tune summarises gura perfectly
🎶👍
Well, it certainly helps that she has a pretty long lever when negotiating with Hololive. Especially after Coco proved that you can graduate and continue being successful they are certainly more wary of that option and Gura is one of the few talents that would without a doubt continue to be successful even without Hololive. So it's nice to see that she is using that leverage to change things for the better.
I mean, the forbidden knowledge makes it pretty clear that the person behind Gura knows the market well. I may be wrong but I’m pretty sure Gura had the biggest pre-Hololive following out of all the members.
She can't explain perfectly
But we can feel how elaborate she is, on being creative.
I'm glad Gura is able to share her opinion!
In movie terms: It's always beneficial for the actor to have a say in what the character is doing, especially for a long-running character. The character arc of Luke Skywalker is a good example of making both good and bad management/creative decisions.
*Cough cough* “Jake Skywalker” *cough cough*
Imagine completely ignoring what the person who has had years of experience in the mindset of a character has to say about how the character would act because you just have to realize your own version of Star Wars
Can somebody explain to me what happened with Luke? By the context I guess he had some ideas and the director ignored him completely? But what exactly happened?
@@kristophesiem5336 You have multiple videos of Luke just fundamentally disagreeing with what was done with Luke in the 2nd movie, turning the focal of hope into this grungy old man and not even for a reason that you could call satisfying or understandable.
@@kristophesiem5336 There are many videos that go more in depth and eloquent than what I can tell you, but basically, the character of Luke was drastically changed and Mark Hamil was very clear in interviews of the movies that he wasn't happy with the direction the writers/directors took with the character.
While Gawr Gura was initially created as a character, she's absolutely made it her own in the last year and a half. When you put that much of yourself into something, of course you want to have a say in how you're presented by corporate. I'm still just someone on the outside looking in, but it makes more sense to me to have a voice.
The character being a shark loli is too much of a coincidence though.
Gura is Awake.
Idols have it so hard so this is amazing
"WITNESS ME!" Is all I could think of because of the end lol
gura is the conor mcgregor of hololive: you'd be a fool to lose such a huge asset, plus they can make their money elsewhere easily, already have.
We saw her play Monopoly, corporate Business Shork is a terrifying thing to go against. The talent should absolutely be given creative control (with in reason) they are making the money for the company
2:07 “HEAR ME!!!”
YES MY SHARK!!!
There comes a point where you realise that all the way up the chain, even beyond Cover, the company is nothing without the talents.
I was not ready for the top gear meme and it fucking sent me
I'm glad hololive talent is willing to argue with management when they think they're right.
"How do I word spaghetti this..." Yeah that both sums up Gura, and the trouble with saying things sometimes lol
In IT, from my POV, this is how someone 'graduates' from middle level to a Lead or Senior position and raises your value and irreplaceability. Someone who just follows along what the top says really have no place at the top. I argue with my managers, even CEOs A LOT, within reasonable levels of course.
Great on Gura for realizing it. Truly shows how much of a great content creator she is.
One clip and suddenly everyone be like,
"I'm something of a japanese company analyst myself."
Always important to assert thyself, lest ye become little more than a pawn.
it's just work culture difference between Japanese and Western, props to the managers that have to mediate things and make both parties come to an understanding.
Lil shark now became senior little shark.
this is a good thing for Gura. I mean, maybe Ame already did this long ago.
It'd honestly be nothing short of screwed up if all their talents would amount to were dancing monkeys who dance only in a way that managers tell them to and no room for their own personality was left in there. That would be the surest way of making the talent miserable and lose the joy from doing it.
I'm glad Gura has started to "put her foot down" and do her thing more. It really does show, when comparing to the very early Gura we got. It's also very evident that it IS very much a possibility to keep doing YOUR thing in Hololive, so we shouldn't mistake Cover for some un-compromising evil overlord idol company - just look at all the stuff Ame does :)
But I'm sure a passive talent will get managed all the way, if they don't chip in, so it's good to dare and speak up, as it brings results!
XD the outro that’s amazing
Exactly, if people are manufactured in creative endeavors, nothing good is gonna come from that and as the "vessel" you won't have passion for a thing you were handed.
*OTAKMORI APPROVE THE TITLE*
I just noticed that Gura's eyes and mouth are not centered to each other. It doesn't bother me that much, but it's interesting how it's made that way.
The talent are Content Creators working FOR a company. Not puppets just there to be told what to do BY a company. It's a partnership. Hololive would be nothing without it's artists and content creators. Any entertainment company worth it's salt would realize you have to work WITH your talent or you risk running them off. And make no mistake, THIS job can be done without Hololive (or any company). While it's definitely more difficult without the financial backing of a larger management company, it CAN be done. These creators CAN make it without the aid of the Management companies. But the Management companies CANNOT exist without the talent.
Solid advice here. Be an active voice with the creative process, esp. when your the delivery. You don't always have to change something or disagree or agree, just be passionate and willing to put that on the sleeve. Cant disagree with the Shark here!
that’s not easy to do and i’m proud of her
Yup, this applies to any team work in any job. To get cooperation, don’t just flat out disagree with your teammates/colleagues; try to see and repeat back the good parts of the other party’s recommendations and then voice out your own suggestions with follow-up reasons to back it up and compare with.
I think when you first enter such a big shot group like Hololive, you can get a bit creatively intimidated. But as you get used to being part of it, you get the courage to include your own input.
Old BGM Bop squad!
In most forms or artistic media, It's always been the case, if an artist works for a corporate company, sometimes they suffocate the artist with what they want to happen, and the artist just becomes a product that bends to their will, if the said artist couldn't comply then he/she we'll be thrown away like nothing, infuriating and disgusting truth.
Corporations are cringe but they're the only way to make headway in certain industries realistically. U either have to sell parts of ur soul or not succeed.
It's always good to try new things
Yeah I mean saying no is hard for some people
FIGHT THE ALIENATION FROM YOUR LABOR COMRADES
Love the top gear reference
That ending tho? Yeah, Kiara, pretty *EPIC*
A shark learns to negotiate
Gura is starting to sound like a new yooker.
Every job has this option.
Shark being shark, slowly taking control.
So, will Gura be a part of the Resistance?
More options is always better
She's definitely having a LOT of experience
translation from theories and educated guesses and based on their own comments for years:
friction in the company with the talent
EN doesnt play games when it comes to being submissive
like holo likes (cuz they are jp) and is making problems for some of them
like kiara, prolly calli, now gura maybe, rushia said she was getting burnt out from streaming
wich is prolly required like twitch, a set amount of hours a month, and is prolly way more than twitch
which if you ever streamed yourself, is A LOT already, and that just talking a bit and gaming, imagine what these girls do
way more stress, coco prolly had some issues too like she commented, freedom, creatively and to collab with others, or play any games they want (she´s so happy and relaxed now in comparison, which shows they aint doing well being inside the company, mentally ofc, not numbers wise)
i´ve been saying it all this time, this aint gonna end well if they are not given time to relax (breaks) and chill on the strictness that is pointless
also the whole "you must sing and dance and act and this and that" thing, just let them be, let them experiment, let them relax and we all win, an idol company (most of them are black companies, said kiara) has no place in 2022, especially with overseas talents.
i expect quite a few members leaving soon, especially the top ones (cuz they are big enough to still be well off on a new channel, as rushia proved with going 0 to 500k in a few days, coco too but she had an active one already)
Gura is a true pro
I mean as the number one in subs, she is obviously doing something right. So Gura doing Gura stuff = STONKS
Passion in creating stuff
Yes we know the cowboi
Cover doesnt hire perfect obedient little drones. I doubt they would ignore the talent’s suggestions
Its worth mentioning that management is willing to work with its talent in most creative/entertainment industries if you communicate with them. If you find yourself in an industry that doesn't allow or even punishes creative freedom... run... get out... that company does not have your best interests at heart. Your input matters. Especially if YOU are the one in front of the camera.
not sure if I share the same perspective as her management, but I think it shows good initiative on Gura's side to share her side of how she wants to work on and such. She doesn't need to be micromanaged, and know what she wants to do to improve her channel. I'd hope her manager foster that mindset, while keeping her from "burning out".
Well, almost reaching freaking 4 million subs with literally no one else close enough in the Vtubing market surely is a good motive to have more control over things.
I am not saying I am right all the time just that I have never been wrong before.
Any collaborative endeavor is going to be a series of compromises. That's just reality. It's where maturity comes into play.
Gura is one of, if not, the biggest talent that hololive have, losing gura over a disagreement would deal a massive blow to hololive, cover corp, and the vtuber industry as a whole
sasuga blue gremlin
Coco, Gura, Cali and haachama are really inspiring within hololive, they laid a lot of bricks that let other holomems have more creative control in what they do. Coco was an absolute foundation for it. Very nice the girls don't just get treated like "do this do that".
Don't forget Ame either. She conceived and bankrolled all of the VRChat 3D stuff that EN has done by herself. Management probably rubber stamped it to give approval, but otherwise it was all her
Pretty much everything Kaichou wanted to do after her suspension was stonewalled by management, even when it fell within the rules.
Shame we never got to see her and Ame team up and make something.
She handled it right. You don't say something as soon as you start out, you earn the respect and show your ability through time. When you're sure enough you ask politely.
that dance party at the end is Au
That's a pretty misleading title
It really isn't. You were just expecting something else.
@@Axel_Kasai what do you think the word misleading means?
@@AlphaetusPrime what do YOU think it means?
@@Axel_Kasai leads you to expect something else
"Everyone should have an opinion about what their doing"
*holds up coffee mug* Cheers shark girl
It makes sense, really. Given how much time Gura and her colleagues spend streaming and how closely they are in contact with the paying customers, it would be foolish for Hololive to ignore input from the talent. They can make all the high-concept plans they want at the Yagoo level, but execution actually happens at the Gura-level.
gura is growing. nice.