Amazigh History of North Africa | Brahim El Guabli

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  • @sonia8535
    @sonia8535 5 місяців тому +14

    Unity in diversity.. such powerful words , thanks for interviewing Prof. Guabli

    • @afikra
      @afikra  5 місяців тому +1

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @saneb-wj5kz
    @saneb-wj5kz 5 місяців тому +12

    Thank you very much for that interesting topic. I would suggest including Arabic subtitles, because I would like to share your wonderful work with Arabic speaking friends.

  • @Imwahid84
    @Imwahid84 2 місяці тому +1

    Very informative podcast! Absolutely loved the questions and answers. I had always wondered if the Moroccan jews left due to oppression. Thanks for clarifying that. I look forward to buying your book.

  • @BartAcaDiouka
    @BartAcaDiouka 3 місяці тому +4

    About the language:
    1. Tamazight and darija form what is called a sprachbund, which is a situation where languages from different ancestries evolve together in a very intimate coexistence, making them share many structural features. So it is not like "darija is amazigh spoken with different words", it is "darja and tamzigh use different qords but similar strictures": there is no paternity, there is sisterhood.
    2. Tamazight is not a semitic language, but its level or relationship with coptic or Ethipian languages is the same as its level of relationship with Arabic: they all belong to what is called "the AfroAsiatic" language family. Semetic laguages being a subfamily, tamazight languages being another subfamily.

  • @Toni-r1k
    @Toni-r1k 3 місяці тому +1

    What an amazing interview. Prof El Guabli thank you so much for the wonderful work and for these thorough, well articulated, well explained nuances of the Amazigh people, and the Amazigh question. I will purchase your wonderful book and learn more. Good bless you all

  • @Harsimran-pn6dv
    @Harsimran-pn6dv 29 днів тому

    Thank you for such an excellent explanation of decolonizing east African and Africa as a whole languages are vital whether it is the colonial folks or our own it is useful to communicate with for understanding each other and that is why Allah gave to us and diversity of human kind. Planning on coming that way soon Allah willing.

  • @othmmane9009
    @othmmane9009 3 місяці тому +1

    This is a very wonderful video, I really appreciate the effort and the topic. Thank you for this amazing and interesting video❤️.

  • @sheddybhulji8196
    @sheddybhulji8196 5 місяців тому +3

    Great historical exposition . Thanks for this video❤❤

    • @afikra
      @afikra  5 місяців тому +1

      Glad you found it useful!

  • @saadkabbara9644
    @saadkabbara9644 5 місяців тому +2

    Epic interview, thank you both 🙏🏽

    • @afikra
      @afikra  5 місяців тому

      Glad you found it informative!

  • @dpireader32
    @dpireader32 4 місяці тому +8

    Totally disagree with the guest. French is a language a lot of imazighen despice. Also morocco is more and more leaving french behind, and is turning towards English. The guest with all due respect needs to decolonize from the french language and influences. French is not North-African, this guest maybe has a inferiority complex towards the French. He quotes Amazigh Nationalists like Katib Yasin and those guys definitely were influenced by the French. So it explains his attachement to French. Down with French, up with Tamazight and Arabic. True Amazigh only speak Tamazight and Arabic as their native languages. This guy is an Amazigh nationalist. I am pro Amazigh culture but this guy quotes Amazigh Nationalists who had close connections with the French. They are a very small minority, the normal Amazigh is just an Amazigh with love for their religion as muslims. But i agree with his vision of a plural Morocco, it always has been a plural region.

    • @paulthomas281
      @paulthomas281 3 місяці тому +1

      @dpireader32
      Why are you so attached to Arabic then?

    • @dpireader32
      @dpireader32 3 місяці тому +4

      @@paulthomas281 attached is the wrong word. It is now part of our history, the arab presence now spans more than 1300 years, thats a long time, they have integrated and assimilated in the Maghreb region, they have had their influence through islam and are a part of our regional history.

    • @CyborgNinja.
      @CyborgNinja. 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@paulthomas281Arabic is the coolest language in the world

  • @beyoursman
    @beyoursman 2 місяці тому +2

    For the deal, for whatever reasons, he omitted to mention :
    Between 1961 and 1964, Operation Yachin saw Mossad and HIAS strike a clandestine agreement with King Hassan II to covertly facilitate the migration of Moroccan Jews to Israel. During this three-year span, Moroccan Jewish immigration to Israel reached its zenith, with 97,000 individuals departing for Israel via both air and sea routes from Casablanca and Tangier, transiting through France and Italy. As part of this migration, Morocco received "indemnities" in compensation for the loss of its Jewish population.
    By 1967, approximately 250,000 Jews had left Morocco, with some seeking refuge in Europe and the United States, while a significant portion chose to immigrate to Israel. All in all, 274,180 individuals are recorded to have emigrated from Morocco to Israel between the establishment of the state in 1948 and 2016. Moroccan Jewish immigrants in Israel faced numerous challenges related to cross-cultural adaptation and integration, which eventually became defining aspects of this immigration wave. The cultural barriers and discrimination they encountered prompted protests (such as the Wadi Salib riots) and, over time, contributed to a gradual transformation in the Israeli political landscape.

  • @MarouaneAbouzaid
    @MarouaneAbouzaid 5 місяців тому +1

    that is an informative and illuminative conversation, thanks

    • @afikra
      @afikra  5 місяців тому

      We're glad you enjoyed it!

  • @Jsala77
    @Jsala77 5 місяців тому +1

    Very good explanation

  • @malakmkelghuel
    @malakmkelghuel 5 місяців тому

    Absolutely love this episode! Thank you !

    • @afikra
      @afikra  5 місяців тому

      We're happy to hear!

  • @lindalakhdari1049
    @lindalakhdari1049 5 місяців тому +3

    Amazigh is one nation under one mother language Tamazight in Tamazgha land.

  • @lindalakhdari1049
    @lindalakhdari1049 5 місяців тому +6

    Azul iy Imazighen meṛṛa seg Tizi Wezzu ♓

  • @yazenbuklau
    @yazenbuklau 2 місяці тому +1

    رائع رائع رائع

  • @homtanks7259
    @homtanks7259 4 місяці тому +3

    Allah's sharia is the only way, never forget that fact

  • @4misa2078
    @4misa2078 5 місяців тому +1

    watch from Morocco, amazigh ❤

  • @funandfun-xy4ez
    @funandfun-xy4ez 3 місяці тому

    Tanmirth

  • @vanbucsko3245
    @vanbucsko3245 4 місяці тому +2

    Would it be possible to get a list of the authors he mentions at the end as well as in the rest of the episode? I really want to check them out but as a non-native Arab speaker I’m having a hard time understanding their names.

    • @afikra
      @afikra  4 місяці тому +2

      He's a follow-up Daftar piece with all of El Guabli's recommended reading. Hope this helps! www.afikra.com/daftarjournal/north-african-history-through-an-amazigh-lens-resources-recommended-by-brahim-el-guabli

    • @vanbucsko3245
      @vanbucsko3245 4 місяці тому

      @@afikra thanks so much!

  • @AhmadNouh-h8d
    @AhmadNouh-h8d 5 місяців тому +1

    Mr professor you are right the way that ouropians transilated is wrong but the word barbar roots back to horn of africa which means different colours historically the barbar were divided into two groups the barbar of north africa and those on east africa but amazigh as well as tuareg retained their culture and language.

  • @dpireader32
    @dpireader32 4 місяці тому +1

    Correction: Imazighen do not identify themselves only through language, this is not true. Imazighen identify themselves also by ethnicity, a riffi is a riffi, a soussi is a soussi, also identify from what lands your ancestors come from, culture and of course language

  • @kobikaicalev175
    @kobikaicalev175 День тому

    24:30 the question of why only Jews in Morroco, the interviewer asks why not Tunisian Libian Egypt Jews, it's a pity it isn't being addressed here, but actually the whole of North Africa did have similar amounts of indigenous Jews living there, for example 140,000 Algerian Jews, a ton of Egyptian jews, all the time from antiquity. Notable difference about Morroco, is that Morroco refused transporting Jews into Nazi camps in Europe, while the rest of the French occupation - did, i personally know Algeniran jews who's grandparents has to escape Nazi camps. i also did Passover with families of Tamazight Libian Jews, some family members speak Judeo-Berber, while the younger generation keeps Judeo-Arabic that they use for their prayer books. Some of the Jewish population is there from the time of Carthage, some indeed having escaped the Spanish inquisition

    • @kobikaicalev175
      @kobikaicalev175 День тому

      As for the reply, indeed i know families of Andalusien Jews from Tangier, they speak Ladino and French, and no Arabic usually, their culture is very different to other Judo-Tamazight for example, which is a much bigger community

  • @kobikaicalev175
    @kobikaicalev175 День тому

    Tigrinya is fully a Semitic language, as most Ethiopian Semitic languages, it has a lot of similarities to Aramaic and to Hebrew, there is no Ethiopian language related to Tamazight; the whole family, is the closest to Semitic outside of Semitic, a lot of the structure is similar to Semitic, even in old Tamazight inscriptions

  • @mariemabed
    @mariemabed 3 місяці тому

    if genetic and nurture play their parts in the individuals, we are both of Tamazight and Arabic descent. The guest looks more as a Moroccan Arab then Amazigh.

    • @usrana8375
      @usrana8375 3 місяці тому

      Genetic studies confirm there’s no Arab component in the population DNA. Iberian, subsaharian haplogroups are however present in smal proportions.

  • @victoremman4639
    @victoremman4639 2 місяці тому +1

    Agree with him: he is not linguist. Amazigh is a semitic language, like the ethiopian. The amazigh sttler came in north africa before the jews and arabs. The amazigh are asian people.

  • @FoodwaysDistribution
    @FoodwaysDistribution 20 днів тому

    His tsatement about bebere being a derogatory word is not based in fact or history. Barbarus, Barbarian or Barbaros are by no means “Berber”.
    Originally, the term barbaric, borrowed in French (barbare) in 1308 from the Latin barbarus, itself from the ancient Greek βάρβαρος: bárbaros (“foreigner”), was used by the ancient Greeks to designate peoples not belonging to their civilization (defined by the Hellenic language and religion). Bárbaros then meant “non-Greek”: anyone whose language resembled, for the Greeks, a gibberish “bar-bar”. The term “barbarian” was then used by the Romans to name the peoples who were outside, in the “Barbaricum,” the “land of Barbarians,” that is to say beyond their authority: the “Imperium”. For the Greeks, like the Romans, any “barbarian” can, by adopting their language, their gods, and their manners, become Greek or Roman, and this was the case not only for many individuals (some of whom managed to comply to the imperial code), but also whole peoples, accepted in the Empire as “foederati.”

  • @kuroazrem5376
    @kuroazrem5376 2 місяці тому

    Semitic, Tamazigh, Tygriña, Coptic and other Ethiopic languages all belong to the Afro-Asiatic language family.

  • @K24..
    @K24.. 2 місяці тому

    This “historian” is as knowledgable as my hair dresser

  • @SURAH267
    @SURAH267 5 місяців тому +1

    What makes me hopping mad with countries like Egypt Morocco Algerian and its people
    Most think their ARAB, their NORTH africian
    Each country different
    In some ways this feeling of speading of islam, fave people a falce identity??????

    • @Shook1917
      @Shook1917 5 місяців тому +2

      It isnt one size fits all. There was a lot of mixing in Andulsia and Phoenicians (Semitic blood) were in the area. In the end, all these things are minor. The history is complex and for those who never mix of course they are only Amazigh but there are 55% mixing rate. For example the Palestinian,syrian and Lebanon area is a different type of Arab then in the gulf. Another fact is arab is not defined as gulf arab. The origins of arabs in present day Jordan Palestine Syria Lebanon is found in ancient times. In the end, All these countries have shared history, share food and culture. It is silly to focus on differences. I will say this French and Italy are stated as Amazigh identities; why doesn’t bring anger . The truth is every region has its unique background.

    • @Shook1917
      @Shook1917 5 місяців тому

      A Muslim has an Islamic culture. The Arab culture doesn’t own the Islamic culture. You are silly and obviously has a hatred towards arabs. But if you are Muslim remember Islam is a culture. By the way even the gulf arabs have different ancestry. In the end, Islamic culture is Islamic culture it isn’t being Arab.

    • @TheBigSavvyBoss
      @TheBigSavvyBoss 4 місяці тому

      ​​​@@Shook1917🤣🤣🤣 55% mixing rate?????
      Could you give me the reference where you got such number?
      I need a serious well recognized peer-reviewed study backing such claim.
      This is nonsense. Even the linguistics studies, the genetic analysis and anthropology and archeology extensive works deny all this.
      And on top of that you make this funny illogical leap where you claim that the Arabs are not to be restricted with the Gulf region!!! And you keep adding to it that the Levant and Cresent population is ALL of Arab origin, so and so to say that in old times they all came from the gulf!
      Can you cite a serious academic study that makes such conclusion???
      Seriously, if you lack the knowledge, at least have the decency of not spreading inaccuracies. That's the least you can do!

    • @funandfun-xy4ez
      @funandfun-xy4ez 3 місяці тому

      ​@Shook1917 DNA science says that majority of North African are Amazigh

  • @FoodwaysDistribution
    @FoodwaysDistribution 20 днів тому

    No such unified people or dialect called amazigh ever existed and no historical documents with such word exist. The word "amazigh" is a few years old recent french invention. A desperate attempt to create a new unified history and culture on the back of many different berber tribes ....

  • @Ppoim
    @Ppoim 4 місяці тому

    Zenata imazighen
    Akbar imjahden
    Tarik ibn Zaid
    Maghrawaden
    Emiraat Nekor
    Ziriden(ziri ibn menad)
    Meriniden
    Wattasiden
    Jaish d'Ahl Al-Rif
    Abdelkarim khattabi
    Omar mohtar
    Mohamed amezian
    Abd al-Kader
    Barbary pirates
    Ibn khaldun
    Ibn battuta

  • @SURAH267
    @SURAH267 5 місяців тому +2

    Greetings from the irelsnd, what makes me completely confused is
    Morocco people spoke a different language before Islam arrived, eg egyotain spoke coptic in Egypt, all Morocco Egyptian etc are North Africans, not Arab, so all Morocco, which islam came, arabic became dominant language, we too lost alot of the irish language in ireland
    But now it makeing a comeback
    Morocco are North Africains like Algerians Egyptian, NOT ARABS, they only spoek arabic
    Rember Morocco first
    All Morocco are indigenous to ye country, same in algerian, Egypt
    All individual countries who sppek Arabic and most practise islam

    • @aliidris6380
      @aliidris6380 5 місяців тому

      Moroccans did not speak different languages .
      Language evolve which cause it to seem different ,,all tamazights stemed from the same mother language.

    • @TheSmoothkriminal
      @TheSmoothkriminal 5 місяців тому +1

      Hhhhh sir allah ye3tik del..do u call what u wrote english...hhhhh

    • @adamb.m4844
      @adamb.m4844 3 місяці тому

      ​@user-jt8vj1vm6y get your américan mindset out of africa

  • @Mauri7782
    @Mauri7782 3 місяці тому +1

    North Africans are essentially Amazigh that speak darija and no they arent arabs

  • @Shook1917
    @Shook1917 5 місяців тому +2

    Betrayal of the Palestinians by Moroccan government is disgusting. What a shock and embarrassing! 100,000Moroccan jews massacred and stole land from Palestinian.

    • @TheBigSavvyBoss
      @TheBigSavvyBoss 4 місяці тому

      @@Shook1917 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
      Again little mind, give us a proof to back up your dumb claims???
      Morocco, although being the farthest country from Palestine, has done more to the cause than ANY MUSLIM COUNTRY.
      Morocco to this very day finances the Palestinian presence in Jerusalem. We have countries, like Algeria for instance, who have done NOTHING but barking and selling lies.
      It's your ignorance, in 2024 where we have all this knowledge vlat our fingertips, that is beyond disgusting!

    • @usrana8375
      @usrana8375 3 місяці тому +3

      Rubbish! Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, and the Arab peninsula next door to Palestine and you blame Morocco.

    • @funandfun-xy4ez
      @funandfun-xy4ez 3 місяці тому

      What Palestinians think of Amazigh and their land Tamazgha?

  • @lindalakhdari1049
    @lindalakhdari1049 5 місяців тому +2

    If you keep saying you are Muslim, you're not going to help Tamazight to be free under arabs colonization to promote Arabic. Because islam it self is against languages, if you forgot that.

    • @TheSmoothkriminal
      @TheSmoothkriminal 5 місяців тому

      Islam its against languages.hhhh whata donkey comment.

    • @nadiarogmati2184
      @nadiarogmati2184 3 місяці тому

      Where did you learn that Islam was against languages? What an awkward and ignorant statement.

    • @ATLASSPIRIT
      @ATLASSPIRIT 2 місяці тому

      How is islam against languages, what an absurd statement

  • @brahimsiali2602
    @brahimsiali2602 5 місяців тому +3

    Amazigh is dielect spoken in North Africa our ancestor embrace Islam and learn Arabic and become Arabised our ancestors extended Islam to Europe. All amazigh people of north africa are muslims.

    • @lindalakhdari1049
      @lindalakhdari1049 5 місяців тому

      Not all Amazigh are Muslims.
      Islam is invasion to Tamazgha to promote Arabic language on the name of religion, to take over the land of Imazighen.

    • @lindalakhdari1049
      @lindalakhdari1049 5 місяців тому

      Tamazight is not a dialect, Tamazight is the language of knowledge and civilization. Because of the Arab's invasion, they deprived Amazigh people to use Tamazight by threatening them with religion to be Muslim by force. Their goal is to promote Arabic and to steal the land.

    • @paulthomas281
      @paulthomas281 3 місяці тому +2

      @brahimsiali2602
      I don't know what you mean by "all Amazigh people are Muslims". Not all Amazigh people believe that the Qur'an is the word of god. In fact, a lot of Amazigh, as you know, don't believe that the Qur'an is the word of god or that god "spoke to Muhammad". Sure, they might be "Muslim" according to some dry population census, but that doesn't really amount to much.

  • @ismailouraich5951
    @ismailouraich5951 4 місяці тому

    First of all, I am Amazigh too. Second, the claim that the ethnic dimension does not matter is but a fool's claim. Third, with respect to the arabisation policies in the 60s, 70s, etc. ought to be understood in their context as a countermeasure for the Francofonisation policies that the main colonial power, France, imposed on the country and from which we continue to suffer to this day. Finally, the author ought to read more history about the great migratory waves that settled North Africa and which suggests that the main waves of migration did indeed come from the Middle-East, with a mixing that occured with waves from Subsaharan Africa. There is an "extremist" interpretation of the Amazigh as en ethnic group which suggests that they appeared out of nowhere to populate North Africa!

    • @usrana8375
      @usrana8375 3 місяці тому +1

      With respect you ought to update your knowledge about history , archaeology and genetics of the region. There have never been invasions from the East. Arab Omeyyad armies were defeated during the Great Amazigh revolt initiated by Maysara Medghri ~741-742. Ibn Khaldun created the myth of the Beni Hillel.
      Genetically, the people of North Africa are overwhelming Amazigh by their haplogroups and mtDNA. Anthropologically, culturally etc…it’s also the case

  • @kuroazrem5376
    @kuroazrem5376 2 місяці тому

    Spanish is also a Moroccan language.

    • @bb4024
      @bb4024 2 місяці тому +1

      😂😂

  • @ChefbyMistake
    @ChefbyMistake 5 місяців тому

    Anyone who is not white is not Amazigh, Berbers were white people who lived between NAfrica and EU mostly on Islands.

    • @annhilator55
      @annhilator55 5 місяців тому +4

      This is not true at all. Berber is an exonym for one and two there's numerous different groups of Amazigh all across north and west africa, who speak various amazigh languages

    • @ChefbyMistake
      @ChefbyMistake 5 місяців тому

      @@annhilator55 Exonym YES but todays almost all Berbers are white people.

    • @youneselachkar
      @youneselachkar 5 місяців тому +4

      simply wrong. look at the tuareg people.

    • @ChefbyMistake
      @ChefbyMistake 5 місяців тому

      @@youneselachkar They aren’t Amazighs they are mix.

    • @KIMONOJUDO
      @KIMONOJUDO Місяць тому +1

      1. Most north Africans are not white.
      2. According to historians, there was never any migration from Europe to North Africa. The migrations were from Ethiopia and ancient Levant. There were many other migrations as well but not as important. So bringing Europeans is simply a wish but it's not what the studies of people show.