Triumph Rocket III [TFC] vs Ducati Diavel S vs V-MAX Yamaha SHOOT OUT
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Just bought a ROCKET. Being that I’ve now owned both a V-MAX and now a ROCKET, I can say that I’ve lived in both worlds. BOTH have amazing power! BOTH have neck snapping looks! YOU CANT GO WRONG WITH EITHER BIKE! With great power comes great responsibility.
Bought a '20 Vmax and absolutely love it... I get as much pleasure looking at it as do riding it... That's true love my friends... Lol... 😂
Even though it's late in 2021 I found a new 2020 Vmax for sale in Sacramento, CA. I'm looking to get it soon.
I’m getting my first her next month. It’s the 1st year of the second gen. 2009. Do you know if they changed anything between 09 and 2020?? All I’m seeing is different color options.
I wanted a vmax for my first bike but figured it'd be smarter to get a 21 MT-09. I hope there's an all black 2020 on the market for me when I'm ready for it or that yamaha replaces it with something even better.
Love all three of these bikes! I drive a 85 VMax, so I would likely stay with the dark side of the force and go with the VMax. All of these bikes are amazing.
Vmax for me...
Low bullet proof maintenance and one hell of an E Ticket ride..
No comparisons..
@John B In a recent study, Yamaha was #1 in most reliable. Surprisingly, it even beat out the Honda, who was tied in second place with Suzuki. I knew Honda was good, but I didn't expect them to beat Honda. However, since I've been a Suzuki guy since I had a TS185 in high school, I'm thrilled about the Suzi results, too. Honestly, all 3 were within a percentage point or two.
Agreed! God I want one!!!! lol PEACE!!!!
Small gas tank
The VMax doesn't want to be a Tourer. Still, on my first ride with a colleague on his BMW Tourer, guess who was running out of gas. Him on his Tourer or me on my 1700VMax...
I ride roughly 180km before fuel light comes on. More than enough in Civilized part of the world.
Not enough to cross the Nubian desert I admit
@@dennism103
That's they only downfall, its smacks everyone on the list.
Diavel is tempting with its low weight and sporty ride but moneywise-performancewise-valueformoneywise Yamaha wins hands down.
Japanese engineering usually wins out on the value for money and reliability.
Yeah, as much as I’d rather have the Diavel, the V-Max’s value is vastly superior
I've had a vmax years ago and now I have a 2021 Ducati Diavel S. Given the two, I prefer the Diavel hands down. Ducati has so much more to offer in everything over the Yamaha. Just the technology on the Ducati alone is enough to blow away the competition.
@@chincemagnet you're close... The value of the Ducati is better as well since it offers so much more than the antiquated vmax. The Diavel is far superior for not much more money.
@@jonsager7436 it’s at the top of my wish list, only I doubt I’d ever spend that much on a motorcycle.
All are beautiful works of art! V-MAX for me takes the win.
TRUE THAT 👍
I have a 2018 Vmax. The torque and power is mind numbing. Instant power, from idle to 9500 rpm. It handles great! )-60 Is crazy, and around 75-80mph it lights the back tire up, spinning like I am on sand. I stuff it in the corners hard, and it sticks. Out of the corner, there is crazy power on the exit.
It's a shame they stopped producing them
need this engine in a Venture ... bring back the Yamaha V4
I would prefer vmax over triumph rocket 3.
All the above, I'd choose the Vmax for all around performance and reliability. Triumph still hasn't fixed its bugs. Vboost Rocks!
What bugs has Triumph not fixed?
Yeah?
My heart has always been with the honda v65 magna and the Yamaha vmax cause there the ones who started the muscle bikes
I have a magna and when I went to upgrade I bought a Daviel. Feels familiar to the mag but better if that makes sense. I still have the mag btw
@@grizzlyspets1161 hey you may think im a crazy kid but i got a classic 1985 Yamaha vmax as my first bike and with the header and dynojet kit its too fucking fast for me to try to mess around with cause once that vboost kicks in it could all be over for a beginner like me so i keep her under 5000rpm! Im just trying to get used to the bike and not kill myself and im lucky to have my father who raced sport bikes his whole life to show me how to tame a beast like that.
Ive never had so much fear and respect for a motorcycles of this nature. There possessed by the devil himself to eat there owners alive!
I was thinking of downgrading to a Kawasaki Vulcan 650cc d cause then i got that quick ninja engine witch is more like the v45 750cc magna witch i think would have been perfect but i got such a good deal on my dream bike that i was like fuck it!
My first street bike was an 85 V65 Saber. I miss it! PEACE!!!!
I just got home from a ride out on my 2014 Diavel. Don't know about these other bikes, but my Diavel sure as hell puts a huge grin on my face every time I take it through the twisty mountain roads around here.
CORRECTION: I made an error in the video, the rear wheel size of the Triumph Rocket III [TFC] is 16" not 17". Official tyre sizes are, Front 150/80 R17 V - Rear 240/50 R16 V
The vmax1700 is actually 203 bhp.
Do you know the LOA of Rocket III TFC?
@@themalaailaanaa1347 Not at the wheel and I believe it is 197-200 but either way the comparison I believe is at the wheel.
@@dumuntai nope this dude give numbers for crank for diavvel and rocket and at the rear wheel for vmax :x
Just picked up a 2020 V Max,,,can't wait to ride it,,,BAAAD ASS LOKING AND RIDING BIKE!!!!!
My Gurugeared VMAX is a hunting tool.
V-Max is an Incredible Bike!!! Pure Motorcycle Power!!!!
Long live the MIGHTY V-Max King of the muscle bikes! I’ve loved you since 1985!!! One of these days, you’re going to be mine. One of these days.
It'll happen....have faith.
You too huh? I remember being at a stop light when I was in college sitting next to one. The sound it made was glorious. And then it pulled away from the light at ludicrous speed with absolutely no effort, and no tire squeal. Raw, unadulterated power. I'm 50 now. I still want one.
@@dukeofrocjohnson3390 I'm 54 I bought mine brand new just 5 years back. Rock steady.
Tive uma das antigas ano 1995 com v buster. A paixão foi tamanha que fiz uma tatoo no braço
Triumph seems fun to ride with such insane amounts of tourqe. But the vmax in my opinion seems like the best all around bike. One of my dream bikes for sure
Take all bike on twisties you will have diffrent opinion that diavel and yamaha smoke truimph.
@@ajinkyathorat7502 I own a Vmax and I can confirm cornering with it is somehow every easy
pass everything but the gas station
@@waynedepner8593 as a rocket 3 owner, you're not wrong. I spend half my riding at the petrol station is how it feels.
Wonderful details and graphics rarely see in most reviews. I have an '05 Rocket. This class is extremely fast, fun and smooth. Hope many get to ride one of these! Thanks for sharing.
V-MAX is the best for me) Bike of my dream..
That doesn't surprise me...the Vmax has a huge following in the gay community...
@Mr. Happy I wouldn't know what they do at gay pride parades, but you proudly seem to...maybe they'll let you ride your Vmax in the next parade? You and your assless chaps...
@@CrusaderGeneral Oh...I see that you and Mr.Happy are Yamalube buddies...don't let it leak out onto the seat after you're done...
@@andersd8956
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It’s the clear winner here
The Rocket is what I'm dreaming of
Bro u made exactly the comparison video I was looking for since triumph announced rocket 3. Everyone else was only comparing Ducati and triumph but one one else was including the mighty VMAX.......Thankx for the video🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
Triumph for me.
32,000 U.S. Dollars for Rocket III.
Way to much $$$.
The v max has a larger aftermarket support than anything out there. For the stock price of the triumph, you can almost double the hp and torque for the same price.
THE MOST PRACTICAL, USEFULL AND INFORMATIVE comparison of motorcycles EVER POSTED imho !!!!!!!!!!!
Rocket 3 for me. Just turned 2500 miles on mine and loving more every mile.
It's 2500cc
The 2500 stuck in your head 🤣
Time to get another rocket, miss my old 08, what a friggin torque monster they are, gets many smiles/miles
I've owned my 09Vmax. It makes me happy to not care about any other bikes. 0-60 2.3sec. 200 hp. 95,578 miles. It is worth the money.
The V-MAX has always been my favorite! I've been on the 1200 but never the 1700. Still something to wish for....
It will always be the VMAX for me no matter what bike is invented it will never look as good as the V Max. imo the best looking bike ever built
Hideous :-(
New Rocket is Gorgeous !!!!!
tough call, that rocket 3 is a beaut, but yes, vmax is bloody amazing.
I’m curious if any of those bikes will ever beat the Yamaha ever. In longevity, or any other aspect. Bet that Yamaha cranks out 10x the miles of the other bikes.
Don’t know but I sold my V-MAX with 50k miles and it was still running strong. Just bought my ROCKET at 12K miles. I guess we will see in a few years.
I have a VMAX1700. Where ever I lay my rear tyre, they then have to resurface the road! Triumph is gorgeous, but the VMAX is the daddy of them all, and a lot cheaper!
Can you provide me with some info on a shorter rider. I haven't ride a VMAX since 2009 and cant remember if the pegs are in the way of your legs. I'm wanting to buy one. But
@@totalglitch Hi. I’m 5’7” with a 29-30” inside leg. Never have a problem with the pegs, although some people have mentioned it. The bike is also low enough for us shorter types in that you can position your feet clear of them anyway. I would say go for it, while you can still get one. They really are one of the easiest bikes to ride, even at walking pace in town traffic. They are heavy, but only noticeable when wheeling it in and out of the garage. Once on the move it is actually very stable and incredibly manoeuvrable, much more than you would expect. If you are a competent rider you could easily keep up with sports bikes. Build quality is the best I have ever seen. The bike has such presence, and the great thing is no one else has one, so you’ll be totally unique! I always buy niche bikes, my Moto Guzzi Griso 1200 was the same. Better to stand out from the crowd in my opinion! Good luck!
@@tribsa7503 thank you. Yes I use to sell power sports in San Diego and that's when I rode one. But again that was a long time ago and I learned on a 2001 r1. Issue is this is 10 hours away and I can sit on it before. Thanks again
Rocket is my choice due to its looks !
I'm an old man GoldWing rider. I would kill for a VMax but don't think my back and neck can take riding any of these bikes anymore. The VMax is a beast, however! It has always been a hooligan!
Great vid. All three are great bikes. I'm torn between the Rocket 3 (not the TFC) and the VMAX. The VMAX of course has the legendary Japanese reliability which Triumph seems to have faithfully emulated based on the Thunderbird and Street Twin I've owned.
Would really like to know what they each do in the 0 - 60 category, and in the quarter mile.
Vmax is the clear winner. Best in cost for performance. Best in maintenance.
And definitely worst look one...
But the diavel will be faster due to it's lighter weight.
@@Twincam808 diavel on corner win at straight win with rocket and go head to head with vmax well in test vmax win at quarter mille but the diffrenc was very small 1-2 cycle lenght maybe :x .
0-60 all go go close = weight distribution and tires grip limit this at higher velocity vmax and diavel drive away from rocket vmax is very slioghtly faster than diavel diavel also on twiesties beat both rocket and vmax on twisties rocket be slightly faster than vmax probably it have lil more ground clearance and for tight corner shorter wheelbase:x .
@@Boris69siroB
That would got to truimph, they are known for making fugly motorcycle.
Great comparison. It earned my subscribership.
Keep up the good work.
(And that Rocket 3 would look mighty nice in my garage.)
Riding the Rocket 3 is like making love to a beautiful woman.. Because they are two things that I'll never get to do.
At least you wont lose your money.. :)
I do both....it's a reality!!!! (No, I don't share!!!)
Why not? Ill try one next summer.
Speak for thyself
I understand not everyone gets to ride the Rocket, but making love to a woman...come on man
I’m definitely a VMAX fan and the only thing missing in this presentation is an actual quarter mile drag race.
vmax 10,0/215 km/h diavel 10,1/210 km/h rocket 11,0 /200 km/h = vmax is just lsightly faster than diavvel both more than slightly faster than rocket :x .me cb 13,2 /157 km/h :x .
You don't buy these bikes for sheer speed alone....get a crotch rocket if that's what you want. I'd buy the one of these 3 that gives me the best long trip comfort. They're all plenty fast.
It's happened and it's the Vmax 10.5, 3 1l.9, D 10.9!
I will take the Rocket, for sheer street presence......
Trust me it is not a good bike for tight turns as the ducati or vmax but is superior to me for HW riding that the diavel n vmax cant match with torque!
@@carminearcieri348 the torque on the vmax is more than enough for highway driving if it's just highway driving. but i just like the looks of the Triumph more.
if i was gonna buy one, i'd go for the VMAX. i'd use the money that i saved vs. the Triumph for cosmetic and performance mods to personalize the bike to my tastes.
@@sepg5084 ya my triumph rocket 3 is really bad with tight corners to tell you the truth i wish i bought the honda valkyrie instead i do luv the vmax just not the style of the back end it looks a bit sloppy but is def a faster bike
VMAX beats any machine, real muscle bike not joke , just power
Great comparison video. Thanks
VMAX still king
This comment does matter anymore can't buy Vmax discontinued plus I like the rocket looks-wise way better
You made a very interesting case for the Max tbf
What a well made video! Thank you!
An extremely useful guide. Well presented.
I chooses V Max that has overall advantages against its contenders and that its incurred pretty cheap maintenance cost..
But it’s pig ugly.
@@SvenTviking
So does truimph with it hideous design like all truimph.
Yamaha for reliability, price, performance, and resale value
Interesting comparison and good information, thanks. I think if I hold out a little while they'll make a Rocket 3 with a more neutral to sporty riding position.
have owned two vmaxs (now own a 2005 ). I think all these bikes are great. I can tell you switching back and forth from sport to Vmaxs - very happy to land on another vmax - reliable, torque ready always... I will never sell this one, its a keeper, only mod is a Corbin seat (works well). I always get a little respect from a sport bike rider at a red light, even a modern sport bike..as they should...lol. The only downside, I seem to replace the rear tire often enough.. 🙂No bad comments for the three. They all look fantastic.
A melhor análise comparativa de motos que já vi no youtube! Gostei!
Obrigado!
VMAX still tops, get one while you can. All super machines!!
In EU you can't get it..
Right. I got the very last one in Europe. Bought it in December 2016 but could not get it from dealer because of working abroad till summer 2019.
VMax is not sold in Europe for emission regulations since Jan 2017.
I own both now . The 1200 and the 1700.
When I switched back from the 1700 to the 1200 the first time my first thought about the 1200 VMax was "wow. Fragile".
I love both. Own in total 18 bikes, the Maxes are the crown. The continuation of the legendary Münch Mammut.
Just a bike. But powerful. Very.
I like your presentation! Thanks.
Did a test ride with the R3 today. I'm sold. That bike is on a different level.
And it looks so good!
I always go for all of the above things when buying a motorcycle..
Well done buddy with the video..
Thank you!
Yamaha for me. I suspect the other two will have reliability issues
Triumph with reliability issues? If it's anything like the old rocket, you don't have anything to worry about, both over engineered and extremely reliable, I have the old vmax engine also, no problems with that either, I love them both,
@@jaymorris3468
Complete bullshit, truimph are as much reliable as ducati. Yamaha outperforms truimph in realiabilty.
You truimph fanboys are delusion check realiabilty stata and come here.
@@ajinkyathorat7502 I have owned 2 triumphs, currently on a 2010 thunderbird I’ve owned since new, had one road breakdown in that time, electrical. Otherwise in 11 years all good, previous bike an america, had no issues in the 5 years I owned it,
The Diavel just looks sooo good though…… it’s like telling us all these wonderful characteristics about three girls and the Ducati is just so beautiful you weren’t paying any attention to any of the other stuff. 😍
V-max is a perfect mid range and best value for the money.
Rocket... that torque!
But I’ll go with the V max.
I had the 1st & 2nd gen vmax they where beasts. I'd love to try the R3 and DD.
I go for looks, I love the vmax. Ever since I seen it in ghost rider spirit of vengeance, I told myself I want that bike
That bike is the perfect thing for a ride for ghost rider
I have v max 2015 which exhaust system u suggest for me which should not much louder but have sound with thrust
Get an 'H' shape link pipe (Exactrep or Akrapovic), a decat and a Nash Flash. You'll be away with a growl!
Durability and reliability is what I look for. Any cruiser recommendations?
Yamaha VMax doesn’t have 175 bhp, try 197 or 200 bhp lol 😂
0-60 in 2.5 seconds...
Hell yeah! Love the torque curve on this baby too.
Diavel is the same spec, 0-60 in 2.5 seconds. Max does not have launch mode like the Ducati.
@@jonsager7436 it didn’t need to, it’s a sub 10 sec 1/4 mile.. The Ducati isn’t, look it just isn’t… There’re enough videos out there, in a straight line the Ducati isn’t in the same league, but when it comes to corners the Ducati is superior.. It also 2.6 not 2.5, that and out the crate the Yamaha was officially clocked at 2.1 0-60… That’s bone stock, you cannot argue with torque, bhp and the fact the Vmax is long and less likely to lift up…
@@alexandersimpson3638 the Ducati has wheelie control. Tech wins with me. The vmax is cool, I had one. I upped my game with the Ducati.
@@jonsager7436 what, you had a gen 2 with 200 bhp and opted for a sub 170bhp bike… Don’t you miss 50-70mph in 1.09 seconds.. Or owning a bike capable of low 9s 1/4 miles.. I get the handling bit, but the Vmax is built for straight line.. You’re only dude I’ve come across that has crossed to the Ducati after owning a Gen 2 Vmax…
Actually Triumph updated the official numbers for the new Rocket III 2 days ago (18 Jun 2019) and it's now:
HP = 180 @ 7000rpm
Torque = 166 lb/ft (225Nm)@ 4000rpm
Dry Weight = 290kg (639lbs)
Also the high price of the Rocket III compare to the other is because they are making only a limited special production of 750 on the first year and they will be making a more mainstream version (and more affordable) the year after.
Thanks for the update!
I heard back in February that it was around 180 + HP but was ask not to spread the word.
I love my 06 Rocket and see know reason to up grade.
The vmax was launched at 21k and only dropped to 16k because it wasn’t selling.. Try only 5k sold in nearly 7 years, now that is exclusive!
Really good analysis!
Brilliant comparison mate, well done!
Thanks bud!
Traded in my 2010 Vrod Muscle in for a 2017 Diavel after looking at all 3 of these bikes and there are zero regrets, simply fantastic bike.
what an awesome review.. thanks!
Such a good video talking straight to the points... great sir.
what drive's my purchase... comfort, weight, reliability
Vmax1700 is the one !! I ride every day , and I will buy again if come with a new model or not
All this love for the V-max!! I've owned 2. An '85 and '05. Its a land rocket!!! Crack the throttle and hold on for dear life!!
All of the above but the Rocket is my new dream bike. Thanks for the “American” weights and measures
Would prefer Rocket
What about with handling and reliability?
Very nicely explained amazing infographics.
Thank you! 👍
Thanks mate, cool and very informative video. Wondering whether you gonna test ride all of them and share your impressions about it. Cheers
Thanks Carlos! Yes that's something I definitely plan to do. I need to get a good helmet/Go Pro setup organised first. Although the V-Max won't be ridden as it's not sold here in Australia.
@@BikesILike Now I'm disappointed to learn the V-Max is not sold here. Silly and lazy me as I haven't searched for it haha My plan for an upgrade has fallen apart unless I get 30k for the R3. Thanks for responding 👍
@@Braussie1 You're welcome Carlos. Yeah it's a bit concerning that each year manufacturers seem to be bringing less and less models to Oz.
Both the Rocket and Vmax are bikes which I intend to own one day.
Better start saving your pennies!!
I wonder if the 2nd gen vmax is as bulletproof as the 1st. There’s people running around with 200 thousand miles on first gens and never a issue. I’m hoping the second gen is as reliable being I’m getting one.
Nice video, but in the end nothing beats riding the bikes to determine which is best for you. I also think a fair compare will be when the standard production rocket is out, not the TFC.
Thanks Alistair, totally agree, will do a video on the 2020 Rocket when more info becomes available.
Can not beat Vmax's bang for buck!
I owned the first year rocket and the new styling is much sexier. I would still buy the Vmax because of cost.
Need to ride them, I know the diavel is a sportier ride against the rocket but obviously not on grunt or luxury feel, but then u have the GT which is different again, that is more comfortable for distance. As of April 2020
I had a V-M a few years back and absolutely loved it. Deff one bike I would buy again. At the time I also had trial runs on the R3 and the Devil. The R3 was very good but just felt over the top and the Devil was a mixed bag. I just didn’t think that the engine suited the bike. The Ducati dealer pushed me to try it out as I also had a 1098R.
I spent a few hours with it but it was not for me.
The V-M was brilliant for everyday pottering about and that engine was so flexible.
But that new R3 just looks the mutt’s nut’s.
I need to try one.
You surely wont be disappointed. Most fun I have with my clothes on is on the Rocket 3. Such a fun bike!
If money wasn't an issue, I'd go for the Diavel as I prefer low weight to high power. I'd install some forward controls on it and presto.
That's the ultimate showdown
Excellent video keep it up
I used to own the old Rocket - I now have the Vmax Gen 2..... the only upgrade for me is the Rocket R 3......love my Max ....... sacrificed for the new Rocket.... ordered!
Diavel. On every level looks from looks to performance to bone shaking sound with full akro exhaust. Best of all, it handles so well.
Love the rocket, love the VMax (had one). But 4 years ago I bought a Ducati Diavel Cromo. It's a beast. There's nothing like it......
cheers Paul. I love the visual riding position triangle presented in this vid. For me, it's the Rocket 3 all the way. Cheers Cuz!
when bike hunting in 2019 , I tried the Vmax because it put up a good race against my then 06 gxsr1000 , but those air rams were so uncomfortable riding right on my inner knees that I passed on it.. then I checked out the xdiavel, never test drove it but did sit on it and was just too small for me, I'm 6ft and 220. so after more looking I ran into the Rocket 3 2020 at the time. I absolutely fell in love. test drove it for a couple of miles during the pandemic at OC motorcycle and less then a year later bought mines just over a year ago and love it. it's sick sick sick! I really wanted the TFC edish but that extra 10k was not in my budge. speaking of witch ,this Video gives TFC pricing and not regular pricing. 🤘🤘🤘🤘
vmax is 200hp. Not 175.
Yes I've since been informed, thanks Abe. Can you direct me to that official information, I'm having trouble confirming those figures.
@@BikesILike 175 hp to the wheel
@ Ahh I see, thank you!
Bottom line? If a fat enough guy sits on a Vmax and starts driving East at full throttle, it'll temporarily slow the Earth's rotation a little.
@@random_eskimo_in_the_rockies genius, pure genius!!! I dont personally care for the way a gen 2 max feels versus my gen 1, but my god, its amazing to ride!
On looks, I'd have the Rocket 3. I guess on reliability I'd have the VMax. On wanting to push the thing around with manual handling I'd have the Diavel !
Excellent review.
Triumph all day long. Lot of money but lot of bike.
vmax is the best!!
Yes but Rocket 3 look awesome
That was very interesting thanks, what's a nooten?
:)
Nabisco makes them. They can be quite tasty. Fig Newtons.
Vmax ! Yamaha has a great track record and should out perform the Rocket 3 in the quarter but should be close! Congratulations to Triumph for building an awesome bike but if i was in the market it i would stay with the vmax!
Should be close, it know where near close, diavel comes close.
vmax 100-200 5,5 sec rocket 7sec diavel 6 sec ... stock rocket auarter mille in 10,75 sec at 202 km/h stock vmax 9,9 sec at 220 km/h stock diavel 1260 10,2 sec at 215 km/h gap in metress beewten vmax and diavel at finish line is around 20 metres so when vmax cross finish line diavel have 20 metres to end and rocket around 50 metres to finish line so aroudn 30 metres behind diavel :x
kinda weird price comparison... how does the American dollar equate to the euro?
Long time ago, I had a V-Max 1200 for some years and the only happiness I got from it was when I opened full throttle at green lights and its V-boost acceleration on straight roads.
It was just awful at curves at more than 100 km/h and it was a heavy gas drinker.
V MAX is the best has been since the first one was made.Most bang and low low maintenance cost.
Nothing like the R3. The other 2 also impressive machines but seriously nobody turns their head to say check out that Yamaha...
That's what you think. It's a rad bike. It's a hot rod .
guins99 Lol ask a Vmax owner if that's true.
No one checks truimph anyway, if you are riding ducati you would attract more people than any truimph you will ever own.