Destiny & Mini Vaush Debate Black Conservatives
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when the white savior said "ill save you even if you dont want to be saved"....i was puking in my mouth
He actually said that he used to be cringier than he is now…..
Not possible!
🤡👍
Leftards are 100% correct about white supremacy being an issue in America today, except they never admit that the overwhelming majority of it exists on the left.
If he wants to commit so badly, saviors tend to sacrifice themselves for the greater good...
@@Gchildwarriorthey tend to sacrifice themselves for what they think is the greater good.
@@theviewbot I know, but I want someone else to bring it up to him and see him flake lol
Fun fact: Destiny confirmed on stream afterwards that Alec was calling Xaviaer a bootlicker during the entire shoot but these bits were ultimately left out of the final video.
It’s honestly surprising how racist many liberals are. A bakery in our town has immigrants that work in it (most asylum from Africa some from Asia). My white very liberal family went to it, then left because they had a bible verse on the wall, something about Jesus loving everyone or something. They said they wouldn’t support a republican bakery and told the people working that the owners were using them as slaves and the owner just wanted to deport them the moment they stepped out of line. They through out some racist terms and stormed out. They didn’t realize (and I didn’t have the heart to tell them) the owner was a black immigrant herself.
Funny how Jubilee leaves that out but in other videos will leave in the most unhinged right wing or perceived right wing takes
@@randylynch4330Can’t spell liberal without the letters “lie.”
of course he was. What a massive Summer's Eve.
Clip of him saying that?
"Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for life." Economic independence is always greater than economic dependence.
Give a man fire and he'll be warm for the night, light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
He could stop, drop, and roll.
"Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Don't teach a man to fish. He's a grown man, and fishing isn't difficult."
-Ron.
Teach a man to fish, but not at your spot, tell him to f*ck off and find his own spot.
That's only if you want them to be independent, if they're dependent on you, they'll vote for you no matter what they do.
As long as editing is involved in these videos, it’s 100% manipulated. The only way to do this fairly would be a live stream.
Agreed
@@joelsefur666they are like 7 hours
@@Chris-xt8io Alright, in that case let the leftists lie through editing. No biggie
@@joelsefur666 No. only live streaming will work. You can still edit the long form episode. You wouldn’t even know it if they did that’s live streaming is simply the only way you can do this and be sure that it isn’t deceptively edited
And you need a black person who debates regularly like Coleman Hughes
As a black person I felt very insulted by that mini wash guy I hate the fact that he thinks he's better than me or something like that, I could just feel it
He acts as if he knows what's best for minorities. A typical condescending white "progressive."
It's why I lean right. I couldn't deal with the mentality of, "you poor little thing! You don't know any better because you're brown"
@@Fitzn I used to live in New York but the liberals there drive me crazy so now I'm living in Alaska
@@Rokeen-Zeboss Alaska? That's a move. But all things considered, understandable.
@@Fitzn luckily for me it's all paid for by the Coast guard (BTW I asked to be here)
I can understand Chandler's passion and anger. I'm a young black man myself and when I was his age I had that same anger. It is very aggravating when people treat you like you're stupid or can't make it in life because of your skin color. This is especially frustrating because I heard it growing up from my own people and now white liberals have adopted this mentality. Best thing to do is to understand their arguments, be patient, and give clear cut points. Patience goes a very long way.
And he needs to use Socratic methods of reason to drill down into topics like welfare. Alec doesn't realize it but he gave the entire argument against welfare in the beginning.
"Conservatives want to take away welfare" and "just give people all the money" are contradictory when taken to their logical conclusion. If giving them money makes their lives better, then they don't need the money any more and you can stop giving it out. But if you stop giving the money out, then people will starve or whatever. So it doesn't actually help; you now have to keep giving them money forever, and they are incapable of surviving without being given money constantly. You have created a dependent class of people and now they have to vote to give you political power forever for the sake of their very lives. That's not helping, and by default it shows that distribution can never solve the problem of poverty.
I think it's due to Chandlers' age vs. his skin color. He may use his skin color as the reason, but it is his age and lack of maturity. You said it it best at the end of your comment.
it's more frustrating if you see someone having lower expectations for you just because you're black. Your skin color shouldn't be a shield for you to protect yourself from criticism and poorly understanding issues
@@TheSchaef47 What's more is Alec didn't address the part about how you would keep the families intact while still giving them welfare. Remember, them deciding to not get married before having kids and not have a man in the home was not something the state told them to do. It was something they decided themselves to do in order to qualify for welfare, so how does Alec plan on doing the same thing and convincing these people to do the opposite of what they would need to do in order to receive those benefits? It doesn't make sense and I wish the young man would have pointed that out. It reminds me of when Joe Biden literally said in one of the debates that if elected president he would "figure out" how to end racism. Well sadly enough, no one immediately asked him how come he hadn't done that in all his many decades in high political office, especially while he was VP with the former black president.
@@nickblank5712 He should have then called out discount Vaush on that. Like Sean indirectly pointed out, if he had more knowledge of how minorities in various countries throughout the world, including outside the West, could succeed in the face of blatant systemic racism, then there's no reason to believe blacks in America couldn't do the same even if America was as racist as discount Vaush claims.
When you see people at the grocery store paying for their groceries with a food stamp debit card and then putting a $20 bill into the lottery machine right after checking out, you know there is .problem with the food stamp/welfare system.
Food stamps is minuscule like 200 bucks a month. I think you too sheltered to realize how little food stamps matter .
Not having food stamps doesn’t instantly teach someone financial literacy. All these poor families , had they been raised better or taught financial responsibility, would prob use food stamps well. Just as many people in Europe use the social safety net effectively in between jobs. Not everyone , but most people are highly skilled and mobile in labor markets.
The state is just taking its $20 back. Whats the problem? 😂
Even worse are the addicts outside trying to get you to use their card in exchange for giving them cash. Obviously they want booze or drugs.
@@Yor_gamma_ix_baemost people arent highly skilled...
Most jobs are just easy enough for dumbfucks to do. Thats why regardless of what low skill job there is a pothead can easily do it.
Washing dishes making food cleaning, you name it and It can be taught it a 20 minute course and only the true fuck ups wont be able to complete it.
Sure some people can get skilled at doing these easy tasks but any fuckwit can just as easily replace them.
You should reach out to Jubilee and be included in these debates Sean 💪🏾
It would take them hours to edit everything he says out
@@dustinredeagle9465Which makes the video worth more, according to the labor theory of value😂
😂😂😂 Can you even imagine the "context" footnotes in that video? They'd be changing every 3 seconds to say "Um actually, all that true stuff somehow isn't true... because.....uh uh uh.....we don't like it. Sean is too slippery."
He's going to law school..
Should they include him as a black conservative or a white liberal?
(Yes, I'm joking. I know you aren't talking specifically about this debate.)
Gotta admire the liberal's ability to create more conservatives out of thin air 😂
Hey Turtle dude didn't I see you over in Tim's comment section🤔
@@Roger-fs5yohe's a bot that just comments whatever is popular depending on the comment section
Mf why are you here too 💀
the conservatives are liberals too.
@@Roger-fs5yohe’s in every comment section.
Apparently Destiny streamed a reaction video to this about how much the other guy made him uncomfortable and cringe. Even revealed some stuff he did that they had to cut. Apparently the Alec guy worships Hasan.
Yeah, he said he had a conversation with the older black woman in the parking lot and that she was a very sweet person.
Alec worshipping Cenk's nephew is probably the least surprising fact about him.
mini vaush definitely uses slurs and has a few me too's in the closet
they all do.
And cp on the hardrive
I think the issue with Chandler is that he seems to have taken heavy influence from Candace Owens, who has never grown much from her beginnings as an SJW type. Speaking a mile a minute and getting incredibly angry is a great way to turn people against you and your position.
He's young so hopefully he will gain wisdom.
He's a kid. He'll figure something out.
I won't disagree that he's young and has to control his anger and passion, but these videos are also heavily manipulated so we aren't seeing the whole story, we never do.
Wait, what I thought the video was sped up 🥴
Anger is better than apathy and the millennials/gen x need to get over their uncomfortable-ness when someone is upset.
You don’t get to control how they feel, and if passion and anger turn you off when someone believes in what they’re saying (right or wrong) then you don’t really need to be inserting your non-opinion in the marketplace of ideas. You have none.
They took a young conservative who they knew didn't have answers to all the common left wing talking points. Not surprising, and no hate to Chandler, I'm glad he's on our side. He just needs to delve deeper into their arguments and debate tactics.
Yea, he needs to work on his debate skills. When you get angry and passionate, it can come across as unhinged and messy. I agree with his points, but I can’t agree with his delivery.
Conservatives don't have a response as there isn't one, a liberal whose IQ is remotely above room temperature will demolish a conservative every time.
He brought up a lot of solid points. Could have been more descriptive. He was being interrupted by Alec the whole time
Arent these the same people that tell us to "listen to black voices" and that "white people shouldnt talk about black issues"?
They mean listen to black liberals, and silence white conservatives.
When they say that, they mean "unless it's me."
@@Boredasfuck29 That’s why they glorify “minorities” and want everyone to be a “minority.” They even redefined “minority” as “people who lack political power (to oppose me)”
Of course they are. Meantime, my ears are closed.
the white savior dude though.... so cringe... i cant ever take them seriously, even the people he claim to be saving dont want him but he just wont stop.
I want Jubilee to do, "White Conservatives vs. Black Liberals" but that might get too crazy way too fast.
I wanna see National Socialists against the ADL.
wouldn't last too long because the white conservatives would be called the "R" word and it would devolve quickly. would be fun to watch though
I think that argument is probably more common in the news but ok I guess.
@@FalconPunch1978 Sir....I hate to break it to you, but he's dead. 😥
@@microphonejacketMaury could host it
Why is it always 'conservatives vs liberals' instead of the more appropiarte 'conservatives vs progressives'? Liberals aren't precisely progressive, even if they do overlap, as they do overlap with some conservative beliefs.
Same shit different smell.
I support the correct use of liberal as an American, but I'm not sure at this point, per my culture, the new adoption of the term can be undone.
@@coreysayre1376 My dad calls anti-fa, liberal. Lmao
@@colelewis9940Progressive would be more accurate. I doubt he thinks Antifa are classical liberals
@@AbyssWatcher745 He still calls the left liberals, it's just engrained in the brain
I'm shocked at how generous you were to Alec. unless I missed it, you didnt even call him out on his worst line "if you disagree with me you are racist".
while I agree that that line was terrible. he did retract by saying that he was joking, though he did go on to say condescendingly 'oh did I trigger you?' so yeah, Alec is still a sanctimonious turd.
The guy sucks but I thought he was joking by his tone initially then sad he was later.
@@jacobjankowski yeah, but Alec is the type of asshat who says something he believes and then when he realizes other people think it makes him an asshole says "oh, I was just kidding, bro."
Destiny was very critical of that mini Vaush dude in his review of the Jubilee video.
Vaush should open a history book
Vausch will agree to open a history book, once history agrees to acknowledge that coconut rape is the true purpose of capitalism.
@@bartsanders1553I don't know how to feel about the fact I understand this joke...He's such a goober.
@@whateverwhatever4026he’s not a goober, he’s an idiot that is voluntarily blind.
you expect vaush to read a book. it's like expecting him to take a bath and leaving under age kids alone.
Vaush should open up any book that doesn’t say “type message here…”
Alec said he was working in nursing homes during early covid days and all I can assume is that he was helping to kill those elderly people and now he's soapboxing on their graves. What a shameful man.
The only reason he brings up the noises they make suffocating is probably because he couldn't keep in sync trying to dance to a TikTok song over them dying.
He was probably a janitor
What a wild comment
@@chzbrgr123just cause it’s wild, doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
@@chzbrgr123 We're living in wild times.
The title reminds me of the great Thomas Sowell's book "Black Rednecks and White Liberals".
Up here in Canada we have a similar issue with the native population. It's the white liberals that push agendas like the whole residential schools myth, and even naming them "indigenous" or "first nations". When you talk to actual natives here they call themselves "native" or "indian" or "aboriginal" and think "indigenous" and "first nations" sound dumb. Though, many of the chiefs buy into this left wing narrative to get victim points and $$$
First nation is pretty dumb since... i mean, they technically never even really had a nation.. It would be like calling the germanic tribes in 400bc "The Germanic Nations"
First nations is even more hilarious because alot of Indian tribes in Canada migrated north during the formation of the USA. Like any Apache blooded Canadians are literally less native to the area than English or French Ancestry.
Sowell 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
They’ve been very successful at guilting that money out of the liberal government/ Libs in general, too. They’ve been laying it on very thick the last few years too, much to my dismay.
Pushes black behaviour unto whites by never realizing their natural differences. Definitely one of Sowells worst takes.
Yes, please do a video on the Central Park 5. Your innocence fraud content is great.
I disliked AJW during the days of the George Floyd protests, but I've actually come around to liking him a lot. He always gives us the full story and I learn something new every time I watch a video. I can't say that about many other UA-camrs.
You mean terrorist attacks, not protests.
I'm still not very with AJW; although he generally argues well and is generally on the correct side, he randomly throws out terrible takes like we can't have completely unrestricted gun rights, and police should be obeyed because you can just win in court later, etc
@@shadowpathfinder7723 Can you explain why those would be terrible takes? The first point you mentioned sounds so reasonable that I can't tell if it's a typo or not. The second point sounds fine, because the alternative is to disobey cop's orders, which almost definitely will make things worse.
Why did you dislike him during the george floyd protest/riots?
@@crassbusinessman3122 At first, I didn't think he was being fair to the black community. I thought that racism played a much bigger factor in African American poverty and that Sean was simply ignoring it. I never considered that wealth inequality could stem from cultural differences, but it seems to make a lot of sense.
@@Pancakegr8 I came through this same realization during college. I recommend looking into the writings or interviews with Thomas Sowell if you haven't already. He explains what you're talking about so well.
I eventually came to realize that left wingers are mistaken about nearly everything. Almost every left wing "innovation" makes society worse (though I can't say all).
The disrespect involved with calling someone "Mini-Vaush" is what I'm here for.
Don’t forget ‘great value’ 😂
@@kaley2933 lol, of course. How could I forget? 😁
For sure! Nothing like calling someone “Great value brand” or “Kirkland” to put them in their place.
"Discount Great Value Vaush". made me smile
I love the labels. "Destiny - White Liberal".
There's a conspiratorial element because there was a conspiracy.
I say go for a a long form break down of the central park 5. I really enjoyed your break down and synthesis of actual court recordings and documents in your Juilius Jones / Kardashian videos and I think the central park 5 could be a great topic.
He would just be copying Devon Tracy if he did that.
I disagree with AJW the conspiratorial aspect. Yes, it does add conspiracy side to it but a lot black AND minorities in general believe the Democrat/Liberal/Progressive policy/history/ideology are all in favor of them. These things should be pointed out and pointed frequently. They are not the leaders of good and civil rights or whatever they believe they are.
Just look at incarceration rates before & after the civil rights act. The proof is in the puddin.
The data on "household income" & "household wealth" is heavily skewed by the fact that a single parent household is by definition a single income household. Married or unmarried couples living together have at least ghe potential to be two income households.
As a divorced man (whose kids are fully out in hhe world), the dual income i had while married was double what I have now *and yet* my housing is still roughly the same as when the two of us shared one home.
Sean, if you haven't already, PLEASE make a video debunking the leftist Tulsa massacre and Central Park Five myths! This video was very informative/educational that I plan on giving a second watch.
And what are these myths exactly please I’d love to hear them??👀
@@joeblack2809 Next time you comment on a video, try actually watching it. 🤡
@@kommisar. hmmmm funny how I ask what these myths are that YOU stated to be true in your comment and yet ironically you don’t repeat them to me. Why is that? 👀
@@joeblack2809 Because I'm not going to explain to some dumbass what was mentioned in great detail in the video. Sean went over the myths regarding those two incidents for a significant portion of the video. If your stupid TikTok, drug-addled mind couldn't extend you attention span beyond the first two minutes to get to those parts, then that's on you.
@@joeblack2809 Sorry for the late reply, but YT is terrible about its notifications sometimes. That being said, if you had asked me in a polite, sincere manner, as opposed to the snarky, sarcastic one meant to implicitly deny that Sean debunked any myths in the video, I would have answered it (albeit with a little frustration that you didn't pay enough attention to the video). That's the reason I won't answer it: because the bulk of the video is Sean rebutting various things stated by the liberal side of the panel (e.g. Destiny) on a range of topics. If you could not find a single one of these myth debunkings in the entire 44 minutes, then that is because you either didn't watch the video or you are in denial. Either way, it's on you, not me, and therefore I'm under no obligation of any kind to answer your disingenuous, stupid question.
Chandler acted more composed than I could. 🎉
19:38 The obvious rebutal to "What else could it be?" is their differences in average age:
_"In 2019, the white median age was 43.7, compared to 29.8 for Latinos or Hispanics, 34.6 for Black residents, 37.5 for Asian Americans"_
That is, on average, nearly a decade of working, earning and saving that easily reduces if not eliminates that difference I wealth
Yea, that gap is gonna get A LOT bigger over the next few decades, the overwhelming majority of younger kids from a "certain" demographic in major cities are lazy af and would rather burn, loot, and murder for their paychecks.
Just wait until more "protests" about inequality come around in another decade because most of them are gonna be on the street or in jail, but there won't be any accountability as usual.
No, average means all ages added and then divided by the number of people. Latinos are usually catholic meaning they have lots of kids. More babies than elders will drive average age down. Go back to your remedial math class.
Many Latino households have more people that live together. If rent is $2000 on a house and there are ten people to share that bill, they are gonna have more money to spend in the economy.
I didn't think I was going to watch this entire video, but then I did. And I learned some things. Thanks!
PLEASE do a Central Park 5 video! I never knew any of this. Include Trump's part in it and compare it to the movie.
Or how real people got cancelled for it.
Look at Devon Tracy. He broke it all down with testimonies and everything.
I can't take some calling themselves Destiny seriously, especially if they're not on a pole
he’s on his girl’s other man’s pole 🍆
amazin
His wife is on a different pole every night.
After the past year or so it's proven not to throw out a conspiracy just because it's a conspiracy
I watched the movie “Birdcage” the other night and now every time I hear an abortion conversation I think of this quote, “If you kill the mother, the fetus dies, too. But the fetus is going to be aborted anyway, so why not let it go down with the ship?” 😅
I actually love this.
Speaking as someone from the UK, our welfare system has been a cataclysmic disaster; Entire generations of welfare addicted people many of them straight off the board from Africa or Asia while most of these places are still riddled with crime and corruption even when they are on Welfare. I am wholly convinced the main reason Black people in the US are so prone to crime and violence is because they are coddled by the Government and allowed to subsist without earning a single thing.
the u.s. suffer from social disharmony as a result of white leftist social engineering
Correct. The people technically have an incentive to do better but, are to blinded to the notion by the money they receive for doing nothing.
@mikemontgomery2654 It's the incentives that kills the nuclear family. The second welfare system was implemented the black woman would kick the father/husband out of the house and raise the child expecting the school and the government money to raise the child. In other words the government and the school replace the man in the house. Which made the women think they don't need a man to do certain things.
@@antoniomosley9410 yes, I’m aware of that. The incentive I’m referring to is the incentive to get out of that terrible existence. At the end of the day, an individual can make more money and increase their quality of life, if only they were to apply themself to doing better. The people that collect welfare can’t see that incentive because they’re blinded by “free money” they collect, even though that sum is pitifully small.
Destiny shouldn't have any opinions on anything considering he doesn't think we should be using morality as a base for anything.
Demonic behavior
I often seek advice from guys who's girlfriend bangs other guys. That's how I know they are real. Real beta 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Where is the blue hair? His wife's boyfriend prob made him lose it.
@AxLHose He dyed the hair blue for charity I believe
Was the charity for that blue stuff they use in period pad commercials?
Why does Sean have to upload a banger just as I’m about to bed.
Destiny literally advocated for a single party state US in the recent debate with S&A
Yes
He is very disingenuous. And contradicts himself 9n ever debate and podcast he goes on
@@marcelmartinez972Name 3 times this happened
Destiny is a cuck. Therefore nothing he says matters
Mainly because he hates Trump. I get why a lib would think that. That said, I'd get why a conservative would say likewise when looking at the modern Democrats. I wonder if he'd rage over that.
@@Zach0451Look I like destiny too but ain’t nobody got time to source themselves in a youtube comment section.
Wait so theyll get mini vaush and destiny who are influencers but they didnt call the hodge twins?
Man...would've loved to see the twins on there.
It was mini Vaush. Destiny was really the only one with a following.
What exactly do they influence besides stupidity? Stop calling people influencers. Gives them more power through a word then any of them deserve. Including both sides and non political channels. Its dumb. Dont be dumb.
But do Hodge Twins have any debate experience? I think Zuby would be the man for the job.
@@destroya3303 besides the one kid who spoke like he was on 2x speed and destiny none of them have "debate" experience
So glad someone finally cared to set the record straight on the Tulsa Riots
Definitely. Way too many people are basing their perceptions of Tulsa on the absurd propaganda manufactured for Lindelof’s “Watchmen” TV show.
@@CherubCowfor real? They do understand that “Watchmen” is a fictional series in a fictional timeline, right?
@@mikemontgomery2654 Apparently not. Just look at the Google Trends for "Tulsa". There's basically no search signal until after the Watchmen episode aired in October 2019 with 1.5 million viewers. Then, in June 2020, Regime propaganda outlets all boosted the signal by publishing stories about Tulsa- glomming onto Watchmen (via, e.g.; HRW, PBS, Harvard, CNN, Guardian, NYT). Most of this June 2020 propaganda-push specifically referenced the Watchmen episode.
The Inner Party may well know that the Watchmen portrayal was largely fiction, but the propagandized masses are not meant to separate the Watchmen fiction from the reality.
It's as bad as Emmit Till. For some reason they have to 100% absolve black people any wrong doing and make it 100% white people did it because of racism.
Why cant Emmit Till have sexually abused that women and what the men did to him was still wrong.
@@mikemontgomery2654 Do not pretend they were not in on it.
Hey Sean, you should jump in Destiny's call and talk to him about the central park 5. Would be a fun talk.
I'd like to see a video on the myths of "Black Wall Street".
AIU / The Pouch broke it down. Black Wall Street was a total myth.
Bruh "mini Vaush" might be the worst insult in human history🤣
Yeah the "worst insult in history in human history" calling someone what they are lmfao.
Destiny has been doing a good job of not flying off the handle.
The only reason he flys off the handle is because the streaming platform doesn’t require any level of professionalism and destiny isn’t afraid to tussle with those people. You should check out his other formal debates that are on a stage with an audience. I can’t think of one time where he isn’t composed.
Destiny is the only liberal I respect.
There is a certain "type of person", shall we say, who will apply any tactic other than addressing the facts of the argument.
This is exactly why I love Sean’s content, the fact that he validly criticizes the conservative panelists. There’s plenty of content creators who would happily agree with everything with side of the political spectrum says. Very honest coverage, thank you.
Sean said “great value Vosh!!”that is fucking hilarious.
Dude had a Pedo Joe hat on. The debate ended there
I would love to see a video break down of Central Park 5
You and Destiny debating would be an interesting stream.
They have talked before
already did.
They did and it was enjoyable. I only recently started listening to Destiny but have learned he is an excellent debater. Sean is the first person I’ve seen who could debate at Destiny’s level. They agreed on a lot of things, but where they disagreed, they were still very respectful.
@@socialmoth4974 I meant a one on one. Not that 2 v 2 thing
@@Phillylove100 There wasn't anyone else that I can remember.
Giving money to a group of people doesn’t hurt them - it _can’t.”_
Actually, it can. If I’m giving them the money they become _dependent_ on it and don’t actually do anything to better their positions in life, then I think that is hurting them.
He didn’t concede that point he brought up the lottery as an example why it’s bad
He did when Alec said it will be better if welfare was given to families that had fathers and he said that it would never be done. He shouldn't have agreed with the premise
Please do a video breaking down the story of the Central Park 5. I did not know any of that information, it wasn’t easy to find since I wasn’t sure what to look for.
Sean please do a video on the CP5 it needs to be discussed in detail.
Two things can be true at the same time, and in this case ARE true at the same time...
1. On average, luck plays a bigger role in a person's success or failure than any mildly successful person would care to admit. In fact, I would argue that if you were to create a pie chart detailing all of the different factors which contribute to a persons success or failure, luck would account for at least 40% of that pie chart. Probably more. I'm just being generous.
2. Humans NEED incentives, otherwise they tend to make bad choices.
No… luck is only small contributing factor. If you depend on luck, you wont be successful. Id say its situational and maybe 5-20% depending on how big of a risk youre taking at any given moment.
Factually untrue, most people stay around the social class they were born into, and that is a luck dependent factor. Then another portion of those who leave that class do so due to flukey events.
@@lukeinvictusI'd ask where you got that stat from. I'm fairly certain studies have shown that economic mobility is still higher than most people intuitively think. The 1%, for example, outside of the .0000000001% (like the rothchilds) is a largely transient group of people due to* a myriad of factors.
@williamschlass6371 nobody said anything about depending on luck. What I said is that luck plays a bigger role than most people would care to admit. That's because we have very little control over the world around us. Hell, we don't even have full control over ourselves. Humans beings aren't even capable of authoring their own thoughts. We can guide our thoughts and choose to act on them when they arise, but we have no control over what thoughts are going to arise beforehand. The human brain functions as a kind of roulette wheel in that once we decide to spin the wheel, we don't know what it's going to land on until the moment it stops. That's a fact that you don't even need a PHD in neuroscience to understand. All you need is a bit of self-awareness and the willingness to be honest with yourself.
There are literally millions, if not billions of different things that could have gone terribly wrong (or right) for any of us today that we have 0 control over. Leaving your house in the morning 1 second later could be the difference in you getting into a fatal car accident on your way to work.
@@devinmillican2873 Your thoughts don't impact the world around you, your actions do... Why is this giving me Sam Harris "no free will" vibes? Hmm... You've basically used neuroscience to argue yourself into the "Let Jesus take the wheel" position.
That kid gave me some hope for the black community.
I really appreciated the prescence of Thomas Sowell in the background of this video.
Destiny was extremely well-reasoned in this discussion, that one kid conservative was a real disappointment but again he is just a kid.
AJW should do history episodes!
I tried researching Tulsa before and if I remember there were some out of town race agitators. There had just been a lynching of a WHITE man there so they pulled the “ohhh, if he had been black it would have been worse!” There was also a bunch of other drama going on in the lead up, and journalists making things worse. I wish I could remember the details.
I haven't watched this clip yet.
But I am automatically on the side of the Black conservatives. Because, as a staunch ally of the Black community, I must instinctively jump to defend the Person of Color from the never-ending onslaught of wp abuse. I would be complicit if I didn't immediately condemn my fellow countrymen.
black conservates aren't really black lol
You're the problem
Nope as President Biden made quite clear, it isn't possible to be black if you didn't vote for him, what you are seeing here are the two new black faces of Hwite supremacy vs these obviously morally superior white-black saviors.
You now have a 24 hour pass to not have "racist" yelled at you.
That's awesome man, I'm sure the black community is ecstatic receiving the energetic yet subdued support of the jellyfish community!
FINALLY someone knows what happened in Tulsa!! I've been called all sorts of names when I tell people the truth. Thank you Sean.
Yeah no respect for destiny in any debate with conservatives. I don't care if he seems more reasonable dude said he truly believes that all conservatives are idiots. I'm not even conservative but after those comments on Sitch and Adam I can't take him as if he's just a reasonable person.
"Great Value Vaush"!😂
🤣 Ikr
@@VampiricBard I laughed every time he said it! 🤣
I've been judging people by the content of their character and there are certain groups that fail hard.
CULTURE MATTERS. My god, why are we still debating everything BUT that?
Please do a CP5 video, bc I saw that series and believed it all and felt SO bad for those kids. But I would love to see your breakdown on facts of the case.
I've literally been waiting my whole life for Sean to say, the proof of the pudding is in the taste. I guess I'll keep waiting. :( he almost said it correct
You need a comprehension course. If you haven’t experienced that from these Sean talks, you need a better filter.
He said it a few months ago
It's wonderful to hear one person in the whole world understand the concept of this phrase but to be completely correct he'd have to say eating not taste.
@@subplantantTasting means literally the same thing as eating.
@@mushyroom9569 Well firstly that's not true because you can taste without eating and eat without tasting - but I see what you're saying. Thing is, this is an idiom - like no-one's gonna say "do not tally your hens before they emerge from the shells" or "if the hat is the right size, put it on." Idioms have nice satisfying rhythms and rhymes - that's how they become idioms. My favourite mangled idiom comes from an illiterate youtuber I heard recently who couldn't think of someone's name and said "it's on the cuff of my head." This is a mixture of "off the cuff" (or in your world: "from the end of my sleeve") "off the top of my head" and "on the tip of my tongue." Everyone is Mrs. Malaprop now!
Wealth is the most ridiculous thing to get into. Differently groups spend/save their money differently. At least talk about incomes.
If I earn $4000 a month and save $600 a month for 5 years that adds up to $36,000. If on average another’s bank account has $2000 in it but they don’t save more, I’ll have 18x their wealth even if we make the same.
The left: "Healthcare is a human right"!
Me: "So is gun ownership"!
The left: "No one is coming to take your guns, boomer".
Me: "I am not worried about anyone taking my guns. I want the government to pay for my guns".
The left: "That is not how rights work. Having a right doesn't mean the government has to fund you in order to have that right".
Me: "Is that how human rights work"?
The left: *WHOOSH*
I have no time for the childish rantings of either side. Usually filled with one-upmanship and empty rhetoric. Left and right sometimes seems to be stuck in a stupid Loop.
Chandler's performance was disappointing. He was awkwardly passionate and just spitting echo chamber talking points. A lot of conservatives do that (I'm a "black conservative"). They get into these debates after spending time in the "destroy liberals with facts and logic" echo chamber and think all they have to do is regurgitate something they heard from Thomas Sowell and Larry Elder and done, the libs are owned. I've yet to hear any nuance from my fellow black conservatives. Any original thoughts. I've been hearing the same "I just discovered Thomas Sowell" talking points and it's starting to sound dumb and hive minded.
TBF, this is how most people are when they start having a significant worldview shift. They only know the most basic versions, and have yet to start down the path towards true understanding
Was he wrong?
@@brandonbackup873 yeah, that’s a good point
@@Arassar not entirely but he was annoyingly passionate. It’s fine to say that. It’s okay to point out that someone didn’t perform well even if you agreed with some of their points. Him and Great Value Vaush didn’t do well. It would’ve been nice to have heard more from the curly hir woman, Xavier and Destiny. It would’ve been a more nuanced and mature conversation.
I think it's a combination of regurgitating Sowell/Elder talking points, as you mentioned, and trying to mirror the left's style of arguing based on identity - i.e. the "I'm black/female/LGBT, therefore you have to listen to me on black/female/LGBT issues" schtick. Given how much sway these kinds of arguments often seem to hold when the left uses them, I can sympathize with someone on the right wanting to purpose them to their own advantage. At the end of the day, though, it's just bad argumentation, regardless of who's doing it.
Nicely done Sean. Thanks for the knowledge
45 minutes? Alright I'm microwaving a bag of popcorn for this one.
Destiny is just glad to be on camera debating anyone not named Nick Fuentes about Israel.
Interesting that Jubilee brought Destiny on; the guy is internet famous for debating. However, it seems for the conservative side, Jubilee brought out average people.
Jubilee is infamous for stacking it for their side. They do it a lot. Fortunately they're so wrong, it usually doesn't help. Like here...
destiny didn't even disagree w/ the conservatives that much
@@sub-harmonik That's not my point. Jubilee loaded the left leaning side with someone who debates for a living and gave no such courtesy to the right leaning side.
They probably think Destiny was conservative like many on the left.
@@MrHeavy466 tbf the black conservative population in the u.s. is incredibly small proportionally, and especially when you narrow it to people willing to go on a show like this, and then narrow it further to people jubilee knows of.
Idk I thought they came off as reasonable anyways. (except for the kid maybe)
SO HAPPY you talked about this. That Alec guy is everything wrong with the Democratic Party and he STILL thinks he’s doing the right thing
I was excited at the title but realize it wasn’t big guns like officer Tatum or Colion Noir was a bit disappointing … pun intended
I'd like to see them put together something like this but with actual vaush and destiny vs the Hodge twins and see how this turns out.. but that might be outside of their budget 😆
I’d pay to see that. Would be hilarious 😂
The hodge twins are funny but theyd get smoked
@@williamschlass6371 while I wouldn't expect them to be world class debaters like our host here. I do suspect they would have a much better grasp of the issues being debated here, due to experience and being a fair bit older than these yougins. And that is really all that's needed to debate people like vaush, seeder, Harris, and their ilk (ie: people who are competent at the art of debate, but who are also incorrect in their stances).
@@coreysayre1376I see, well I disagree. I think the ability to debate effectively always wins over whether or not one's stance is actually correct. So it would be a shitshow.
@@williamschlass6371 I do agree that you can win a debate and be incorrect, as we have seen here.
To my original point, I feel that increased knowledge of the subject matter and life experience of the hodge twins would prevail over the tactics of the other two I mentioned. I may be wrong in that assumption but I would love to see it happen regardless.
To anyone who doesn't understand how to prevail against incorrect stances; you don't give ground unto them, you reject the straw manning, gas lighting and other logical fallacies that cowards attempt in order to get you emotional. You remain calm, and maintain your point, calmly. Being calm is the point of life experience in this context.
One of the most heavily edited videos they have released yet. Every time chandelier brings the heat the jubilee team cuts the footage.
It deeply confused poor sean obviously.
He owned them all.
Extremely informative video. Nicely done
I guess Destiny's wife and her boyfriend needed some alone time.
MY WIFE'S SON
MY WIFE'S SON
MY WIFE'S SON
Sean you could be a great debater if you worked on rhetoric as well as being stronger in presentation. You dont interupt at all and or allow yourself to be interupted far too often. Essentially. Assert yourself more.
It's crazy that good faith makes you worse in a debate. At least on the Internet.
@@kaumealexander9581 you dont know what good faith means
@@nickgarnero9843 huh
@@kaumealexander9581 good faith in a debate means youre arguing what you believe. Simply that. Sean appears to be good faith of course but that in no way would or does limit his popularity.
@@nickgarnero9843 I know. I'm wondering why you think I don't know that. Good faith also extends to tactics used in a debate. In my eyes he doesn't need to assert himself more if his opponent has tried to switch topics or change his argument. The audience should be smart enough to recognize it.
This should be the #1 channel on youtube for AA people.
I like the simple name "Great Value" for our Vaush clone
3:25 Giving people money they did not earn is the greatest at cruelty you can ever perform. Somewhere around 80% of people who win read cauteries end up bankrupt and worse off than they were before within five years. Consider how many kids receive a large inheritance that they were never trained to manage, and they end up worse off than they were before, giving black families money did they did not earn his greatest add to preteen we can ever do to them.
I would hate debating Destiny. He talks so fast and makes 20 claims before you get to speak, then you have to pick one of the 50 things he just claimed, to rebut. The rest go unchallenged. So he appears to win.
I’m so glad Sean broke down the Central Park 5 segment, Destiny constantly gets passes in subjects he’s completely wrong on.
Look up gish gallop
Have you seen him debate Rob Noerr? Destiny accuses Rob of exactly the same thing. To be fair, Rob does fire off a lot of information, but he is willing and able to back up all of his claims (specifically on Hunter an Joe Biden and Ukraine.)
I greatly appreciate the Tulsa information - and while I'm here, the Central Park 5 stuff (but I'm not sure I've heard about that case before)
I should have waited, that ending was hilarious
Most people don't know the truth about either. Even conservatives. Sean and Devon Tracey have done videos on both if youre interested in the truth.
Central Park 5 still gets me. I knew they weren’t wholly innocent but didn’t think they were directly involved because of the DNA evidence. Difficult to let go unless I read more.
@@settame1 That's the problem, you're emotionally attached to it, but haven't actually researched anything that wasn't also biased in their favor. Which to be fair, is hard to find. Buuuut they're not innocent. The DNA mentioned from Reese doesn't clear them, it just says he was ALSO involved. And there was DNA showing their Involvement. Rather, hers found on them.
@@whateverwhatever4026 There is a thing call the Lockhart Exchange Principle. Put simply, DNA isn't some smoking gun. When two objects come into contact, DNA is exchanged. So if they sat on a park bench she was on earlier that day they could get her DNA on them. Plus they had an alibi namely they were attacking other people in a different part of the park when the assault happened.
ahh yes, Steven "I cleaned carpets for a summer so I know all about the plight of the browns' Bonnel II.
Hey, do a video on The Battle of Athens
31:42 Destiny might agree with you to your face, but he's like that. He'll only give the info that helps his point. If you don't care about being intellectually honest, it's good for winning an argument.
Debates are much different than actual policy discussions.
Destiny likes to win debates. He also has at times mentioned that he's much more measured when trying to get actual legislation passed or when he's just a podcast guest
Destiny and Vaush never debate in good faith.
They would say that's a bad faith argument.😂
@@bartsanders1553because technically it is
@@simonpetrikov3992 The fact that you call it bad faith with a curt statement without supporting arguments shows what a bad faith claim this is. Now I could engage in ad hominims, something that you DEFINITELY do, I'm sure, but ad hominim attacks are something that you do, not me.
@@bartsanders1553 it’s more of using of me trying to avoid the word “never” I try to avoid blanket statements like “everything” or “all” because one example proving the opposite would unravel it
@@simonpetrikov3992 Oh come off it and have a laugh
Please do a full video on the Central Park 5.
"The soft bigotry of low expectations ends up being the hard bigotry of no expectations"
- *Liberal/leftist/progressive/Democrat creed*
Surprise, Destiny picked some people with bad arguments to debate against....
If you see Destiny debating, chances are it is some half wit or troll. The few times he steps into a debate with someone who can fight back, he gets crushed. Trent and the abortion debate is a good example.
Thanks for acknowledging Trent, that was a debate that made destiny actually think
To be honest the fetal lives in the stages of 12 weeks to 20 weeks are fine to terminate due to having an almost impossible chance of surviving outside the woman's womb ( if a woman wants to do that ). The only way that I would be okay with abortion being abolished would be to have contraceptives that are 100% effective at perfect use ( in which as of right now we're not there yet ).
@@reviewspiteras think… flail…. And oof
@@25taylorkw his argument wasn’t just to terminate…. About an hour into the debate after a bunch of questions leading up to this…. destiny conceded he would be fine with people intentionally going into a womb and destroying a babies brain so it would never develop personhood but still allowing it to grow to a full person, then that person could set up sex factories with live human bodies and sell them for pleasure.
@@reviewspiteras on my debate channel, AverageDebateEnjoyer I took on Destiny close Pisco and the dude was a low info child having a tantrum because he was out classed in knowledge over Trump.
It's weird seeing what destiny became after years of hearing him on old trainwrecks streams, not surprised he still can't get facts straight, but this entire thing was also kind of a setup for failure for conservatives. Destiny alone could have talked any insane subject into a "win", he's been screeching in debates online for like 10 years or more. Chandler is the only one here I know, and I don't think he has done much debating. Hopefully this was good practice for him though, debating a liberal without concrete 100% indisputable facts to put right in front of them is useless however, they'd believe a mass murder suspect still innocent if he walked alone out of a court room covered in blood saying he's free to go.
Double sized episode, what did we do to deserve this