Garrett are finally getting it right with their turbine sizing. People in the know have very much, for sometime realised that whilst Garrett has rated HP based on Compressor like most, they have under whelmed / not achieved that without big EGT and back pressure due to small turbines. For example, my 7685 vs a g42-1450 makes the same power 800rwkw with 4-5psi less boost, with much lower EGT/temps and very similar spool. G40-1150 will be a great turbo - no need for G35-1050! Finally the turbine size to take advantage of Compressor!
@@alternatemedia4183 I've only seen what the 105-69s can do having owned it but didn't even come close to taping it out before going smaller, but also from USA evos running them too, insane turbos, i'm putting the 115-69s on my rb32, setup when its done, but tbh 76mm on the street is the best combo anyway its power you can actually use without nos, Don't know if you seen it but Dan from TRC Evo 8, its a 2.2L Still a Dogbox Manual full weight car 3500-3600lbs etc 1000-1050whp, runs a 2000whp TT Viper on street 60mph roll, an rapes it, Xona is #1
But how much would the 7865 push maxxed out compared to the G42-1450 maxxed out? regardless of PSI. Curious to know how response was like on the 3.2 on the street on both them turbos
This is awesome. I've been out of the game for a long time but in 2007 we had the first 1000whp m52b28 with an 80mm and the lag made the car less fun than it was at 700hp with a 35r. Turbo innovations, tuning tech and especially e85 make me wanna build something else.
@@MINIPOTHOLES The newer garret g series g30 if 700 is your max and g35 if you want room for improvement but im also not too informed with today's tech, been out of the game for 15 years lol so I could be wrong. We made 714whp with the original g35r on the stock block before we went fully built. Ebay turbos are probably more efficient nowadays 🤣
@@MINIPOTHOLES ran it up to around 25 I believe. Made 500 at around 14 and 635whp at 20-22. All the engine had was a .140 low compression headgasket and arp studs. With AA log manifold and m50 intake. The 700+ was made with a PPF (Pure Performance Factory outta Sweden) tubular bottom mount manifold and their sheet metal intake. But all these numbers are 94 octane and 110 race gas. With the availability of e85 now a days you probably don't have to lower the compression so should make better power.
Where’s the UA-cam button that fast forwards time to when we can see the g40 installed and tested?🤣 awesome video Andrew, can’t wait to see the results!🙌🔥
I have a 6870 with a 1.35 a/r sitting ontop of a spool valve that cuts the a/r in half for boost below 15 psi and it auto opens after that giving the full 1.35 a/r. which gives me much faster response while having the benefits of a much larger a/r
Will be interesting to see the difference in response on rb 2.8l compared to g35-1050 with only 100hp difference in power rating . Always seems as soon as you step up from 35 series turbos they just get so much lag and lose the useable power range
Wouldn't even bother going from a G35 to a G40, for that 100hp, he is just doing a promotionally thing for Garrett, Plus Xona rotor is the #1 on the turbo leader board from 52mm to 76mm, which is the kind of range you want to stop at for a street car, I personally got a XR8269 On Evo 3, but was running the 105-69s didn't suffer from any trans lag on a 2.2L 4cyl, let alone what an rb would do with it, soon to run the 115-69s on my rb32 setup when i finish piping :D
@@boris9331 turbo design itself, actually research before replying I ran the g35-1050 back to back with my 82-64s an g42-1200 vs 105-69s, on a 2.2L 4g63...
@@Gamesplaytoday is it a stock block Rb20? Xona in my eyes is a better turbo plus the whole external off the bat, efr are more for twin turbo gtr / supra setups, or track cars with a bit of nos add for the bigger turbos 9180+ Id defs go Xona over any other turbo also id probly swap in a Rb25 if you can afford it before going for more power, cause if it is a stock block rb20 its not going to make that much power before it gives out sadly,
Biggest difference with the G range is less turbine blades. 9 blade turbines have been around for 10 years in the aftermarket. It's taken a while for Garrett to put them in their range.
I'm fairly sure there will be alot of data from Evo owners here in australia, since the 6870 gen 2 is very popular, an now G42 being a bit too laggy on the 2.0L wanting 650kw+
If this is the perfect street turbo what are smaller turbos? Uber eats turbos? For delivering food hot and fresh? With a call like that I think you need some gold plated king number plates and a shit haircut.
On paper its a big step on. They seem very similar between the old and new in size and scope. But its like how a Mercedes F1 car and a HASS are both f1 cars made to the same rule set but one is much, much faster. Largely due to superior aerodynamics. Its an over simplification but you get what I mean.
what is believed to be the best option for a 2.4lit honda build engine revving up to 8500? g35-1050 or g40-1150 and why? most street car and some drag passages. E85. ID2600
Thanks 🙏 for explaining this. I wasn’t sure if I made right choice getting G35-1050 for my 34R but I’m still on 2.6 & tuning for 500kw’s (still wanting responsiveness). When (& if) I go 1’000 WHP, now I know to go G40-1150. Just sucks I gotta another exhaust manifold
G35-1050 will crack low 600kw, Maybe go a 3.0L bottom end Stock rb30 crank etc keep the costs down makes it a whole new animal with the bigger displacement :)
@@jjsorenavki7005 Cheers mate. Yeah for now I’ll be happy with 500kw’s but after couple years or when I can afford it my plan was to probably go 30 block.
Be very interested to see boost vs backpressure on a big power RB or JZ with one of these. I've seen a G42-1200 do some very impressive boost vs backpressure (946@wheels and 32psi backpressure at 31psi boost on a 2J) but would be nice to have something faster spooling but could make similar power without much trade off in backpressure
I’m thinking of running the g40-900 on my ram Cummins 6.7 on stock fuel. Anyone ever done this? Truck is a manual trans that isn’t a race truck. Tow rig for light duty towing and the occasional grin factor pulls.
How would you compare it to the 6870... Yes it has a slight bigger compressor for more power, but surely its quite a bit laggier. From dyno tests I've seen results that seem laggier than even the 6875, which has a bigger turbine and more top end again...?
Great video. Very informative. I think I’m switching from hybrid twins to a single. Was looking at gtx 3686rs (gen 2) for my fully built BMW 1M with the German 2jz n54 engine. I’m curious if you take the bigger of these two 40’s since these seem a better option than the 35 series and I don’t want to big, draggy, and am leaning towards the 800 and if so what advantages does the 800 have over larger turbo? Lastly would you recommend v-band as well and a custom manifold?
i want a very responsive 500 awkw on my r32 gtr.. will be installing a nitto 2.8 stoker kit as well.. what turbo would u recommend for this application?
G35-1050, Precision 6466 gen 2, Xona rotor 8269s, will crack that figure easily an also not suffer lag, Xona is no doubt the best turbo on the market atm,
Barra make easy work of the G42-1200 compact, for a Stock engine Barra G40 be good for people not wanting to push over 500kw but want an External setup,
Many tests I've come across point to the turbine being a bit small on the g35-1050... can only make good power if driven hard outside of the compressor map... mostly due to the amount of exhaust gas flow needed when using ethanol based fuel... the g40-900 is already surpasing that 900hp to the wheel on it's tests. @@carmello000jp
Garrett are finally getting it right with their turbine sizing. People in the know have very much, for sometime realised that whilst Garrett has rated HP based on Compressor like most, they have under whelmed / not achieved that without big EGT and back pressure due to small turbines. For example, my 7685 vs a g42-1450 makes the same power 800rwkw with 4-5psi less boost, with much lower EGT/temps and very similar spool. G40-1150 will be a great turbo - no need for G35-1050! Finally the turbine size to take advantage of Compressor!
What’s your tale on precision vs Garrett
Yeah but Xona rotor is king :D
@@jjsorenavki7005 if only they made big frame turbos!
@@alternatemedia4183 I've only seen what the 105-69s can do having owned it but didn't even come close to taping it out before going smaller, but also from USA evos running them too, insane turbos, i'm putting the 115-69s on my rb32, setup when its done, but tbh 76mm on the street is the best combo anyway its power you can actually use without nos, Don't know if you seen it but Dan from TRC Evo 8, its a 2.2L Still a Dogbox Manual full weight car 3500-3600lbs etc 1000-1050whp, runs a 2000whp TT Viper on street 60mph roll, an rapes it, Xona is #1
But how much would the 7865 push maxxed out compared to the G42-1450 maxxed out? regardless of PSI. Curious to know how response was like on the 3.2 on the street on both them turbos
This is awesome. I've been out of the game for a long time but in 2007 we had the first 1000whp m52b28 with an 80mm and the lag made the car less fun than it was at 700hp with a 35r. Turbo innovations, tuning tech and especially e85 make me wanna build something else.
With current turbo selections what would you choose to make 700hp on a m52b28?
@@MINIPOTHOLES The newer garret g series g30 if 700 is your max and g35 if you want room for improvement but im also not too informed with today's tech, been out of the game for 15 years lol so I could be wrong. We made 714whp with the original g35r on the stock block before we went fully built. Ebay turbos are probably more efficient nowadays 🤣
@@shifty1927 any idea what psi you had to run the old gt35 on? I may just go with a gt3582r gen 2
@@MINIPOTHOLES ran it up to around 25 I believe. Made 500 at around 14 and 635whp at 20-22. All the engine had was a .140 low compression headgasket and arp studs. With AA log manifold and m50 intake. The 700+ was made with a PPF (Pure Performance Factory outta Sweden) tubular bottom mount manifold and their sheet metal intake. But all these numbers are 94 octane and 110 race gas. With the availability of e85 now a days you probably don't have to lower the compression so should make better power.
Where’s the UA-cam button that fast forwards time to when we can see the g40 installed and tested?🤣 awesome video Andrew, can’t wait to see the results!🙌🔥
That was super well presented motive has really made a come back the content is on fire.
Been binging cootamundra gtr content for 2 hrs ! Keep it up
I have a 6870 with a 1.35 a/r sitting ontop of a spool valve that cuts the a/r in half for boost below 15 psi and it auto opens after that giving the full 1.35 a/r. which gives me much faster response while having the benefits of a much larger a/r
Will be interesting to see the difference in response on rb 2.8l compared to g35-1050 with only 100hp difference in power rating . Always seems as soon as you step up from 35 series turbos they just get so much lag and lose the useable power range
Wouldn't even bother going from a G35 to a G40, for that 100hp, he is just doing a promotionally thing for Garrett, Plus Xona rotor is the #1 on the turbo leader board from 52mm to 76mm, which is the kind of range you want to stop at for a street car, I personally got a XR8269 On Evo 3, but was running the 105-69s didn't suffer from any trans lag on a 2.2L 4cyl, let alone what an rb would do with it, soon to run the 115-69s on my rb32 setup when i finish piping :D
@@jjsorenavki7005 Where's the proof of Xona being number 1 for that size range, on a 6cyl.
@@boris9331 turbo design itself, actually research before replying I ran the g35-1050 back to back with my 82-64s an g42-1200 vs 105-69s, on a 2.2L 4g63...
@@jjsorenavki7005 was looking at putting a efr 7163 on my rb20, is the smallest xona probably a better choice?
@@Gamesplaytoday is it a stock block Rb20? Xona in my eyes is a better turbo plus the whole external off the bat, efr are more for twin turbo gtr / supra setups, or track cars with a bit of nos add for the bigger turbos 9180+
Id defs go Xona over any other turbo also id probly swap in a Rb25 if you can afford it before going for more power, cause if it is a stock block rb20 its not going to make that much power before it gives out sadly,
Be great to hear of peoples thoughts regarding the twin scroll options in the g40-1150. Great vid.
Can’t wait to see you test this unit out
Its amazing how much turbo tech has evolved.
Just picked this up for my mkv Supra 3.2 stroker build. Should be an amazing match. Thank you for the review~!
I’m with u
I love that newer smaller turbos are making big turbo power just i can't afford them. $3k usd is alot but you get for what you pay for
Biggest difference with the G range is less turbine blades. 9 blade turbines have been around for 10 years in the aftermarket. It's taken a while for Garrett to put them in their range.
It's not just one less blade it's a whole new more aerodynamic design to the base of the blades.
Hi,
Where would you consider the pump gas limit to be with this turbo (or a G35-1050), on a 2jz? Thank you.
Would love to see a comparison between Precision 6870 vs G40-1150.
I'm fairly sure there will be alot of data from Evo owners here in australia, since the 6870 gen 2 is very popular, an now G42 being a bit too laggy on the 2.0L wanting 650kw+
If this is the perfect street turbo what are smaller turbos? Uber eats turbos? For delivering food hot and fresh? With a call like that I think you need some gold plated king number plates and a shit haircut.
How do you think the g40-900 will compare to the g35-1050?
I guess they (Garrett) decided to make changes I.e. make more money for new turbo. Very interesting build. That’s for doing the math for us.
On paper its a big step on. They seem very similar between the old and new in size and scope. But its like how a Mercedes F1 car and a HASS are both f1 cars made to the same rule set but one is much, much faster. Largely due to superior aerodynamics. Its an over simplification but you get what I mean.
what is believed to be the best option for a 2.4lit honda build engine revving up to 8500? g35-1050 or g40-1150 and why? most street car and some drag passages. E85. ID2600
Thanks 🙏 for explaining this. I wasn’t sure if I made right choice getting G35-1050 for my 34R but I’m still on 2.6 & tuning for 500kw’s (still wanting responsiveness).
When (& if) I go 1’000 WHP, now I know to go G40-1150. Just sucks I gotta another exhaust manifold
G35-1050 will crack low 600kw, Maybe go a 3.0L bottom end Stock rb30 crank etc keep the costs down makes it a whole new animal with the bigger displacement :)
@@jjsorenavki7005 Cheers mate. Yeah for now I’ll be happy with 500kw’s but after couple years or when I can afford it my plan was to probably go 30 block.
very keen to see back to back dyno from the g35
I was gonna get the G42 compact for my 3.5 V6 but it’s looking like the G40-1150 is a better option.
Be very interested to see boost vs backpressure on a big power RB or JZ with one of these. I've seen a G42-1200 do some very impressive boost vs backpressure (946@wheels and 32psi backpressure at 31psi boost on a 2J) but would be nice to have something faster spooling but could make similar power without much trade off in backpressure
Xona Rotor 105-69s, or 95-69s ;) insane spool an insane power for the size in which they come in,
Good info Andrew! Looking forward to seeing you test these.
What size would you recommend for a 4 ltr wanting around 850-950hp
this would do it
I’m thinking of running the g40-900 on my ram Cummins 6.7 on stock fuel. Anyone ever done this? Truck is a manual trans that isn’t a race truck. Tow rig for light duty towing and the occasional grin factor pulls.
How would you compare it to the 6870... Yes it has a slight bigger compressor for more power, but surely its quite a bit laggier. From dyno tests I've seen results that seem laggier than even the 6875, which has a bigger turbine and more top end again...?
Our G45-1500 is more responsive than a 7685 or even 7675. We have t tested G40 personally yet
I wana see how garrett newest stuff stacks up against precision newest stuff
What about for a rotary? How streetable is it?
Slapping dis on a daza
It's all good in theory but you need to out all these turbos on and test
love the explanation, plain a simple..
Great video. Very informative. I think I’m switching from hybrid twins to a single. Was looking at gtx 3686rs (gen 2) for my fully built BMW 1M with the German 2jz n54 engine. I’m curious if you take the bigger of these two 40’s since these seem a better option than the 35 series and I don’t want to big, draggy, and am leaning towards the 800 and if so what advantages does the 800 have over larger turbo? Lastly would you recommend v-band as well and a custom manifold?
G40-900s are great fro rotaries too, as Rob Dahm as shown, haha
can you do a review on PSR turbos?
i want a very responsive 500 awkw on my r32 gtr.. will be installing a nitto 2.8 stoker kit as well.. what turbo would u recommend for this application?
500Kw is easy on a G35-900 or G35-1050 on E85 and great to drive
When is the g40 hitting full spool vs the g35 ? I lucking for new turbo for my 08 sti 2.5 l with the goal of 650 whp max
G35-1050, Precision 6466 gen 2, Xona rotor 8269s, will crack that figure easily an also not suffer lag, Xona is no doubt the best turbo on the market atm,
My body is ready :D
Hmmm nice video info.. I am doing an update myself 🙏🏾
Awesome video. I was under the impression that a T4 twin scroll rear housing would out flow the equivalent v-band housing. Can anyone clarify this?
The twin scroll has a divider inside it that separates flow and takes up physical space inside the turbine housing so reduces overall flow slightly
@@MotiveVideo Thanks for clarifying. I’m hoping that you can install the G40-1150 turbo before the G45-1500. Is the dyno test video coming soon?
would you run on a street barra
Barra make easy work of the G42-1200 compact, for a Stock engine Barra G40 be good for people not wanting to push over 500kw but want an External setup,
@@jjsorenavki7005 yeah my goal is only max 500kw as is my daily and need to keep it some what drivable at all times after shift work lol
@@devil8923 pulsar g35 version cheap an good turbo,
@@jjsorenavki7005 yeah that or found a gt3582 billet wheel for real cheap just have to get the rest to tune it lol
For 2jz 1000hp+ on e46 street use which turbo you advice?
G45
Do they have T4 divided exhaust housing for this turbo?
Yes. I am going to run in on my mkv supra. ATP turbo sells all the different housings. The stainless divided T$ costs 850 bucks.
Which one will give me the best dose?
lygon street
I want to run this and ditch my g35 but I need a new manifold.
Perfect street car has 1000hp now? Haha holy shit.
In a GT-R, yes.
You’re a mad man! 😂
@@MotiveVideo what AR you recomend for 1000whp rb30
@@MotiveVideo i love gtr
Willing to bet the g40-900 will out perform the g35-1050 in almost every scenario that runs mid to hi boost and ethanol.
Why u say that? I have a 2021 6port Supra I want to run a garret 35-1050 in it
Many tests I've come across point to the turbine being a bit small on the g35-1050... can only make good power if driven hard outside of the compressor map... mostly due to the amount of exhaust gas flow needed when using ethanol based fuel... the g40-900 is already surpasing that 900hp to the wheel on it's tests. @@carmello000jp
@@mushasho interesting. So the g40-900 don’t have that issue then. The 6870 pt I heard is equivalent to the g40-1150…
Exactly ... which is why it works well. G40-1150 will be fantastic too@@carmello000jp
@@mushasho my man! Thank you
Have you guys looked at the new Turbo Direct turbo's? You should...
To small lol videos on my channel
Garrett turbos are a rip off , pulsar all the way !
If Garrett didn’t exist, who would Pulsar copy? It’s cheaper because no research and development required
@@MotiveVideo untill they fall apart :)