I enjoyed this episode. Super jealous of the location. I’m surprised Justin didn’t push back more on the spray. Jesse had to push back for him. Like dude you were attacked! 😂
When I use my trekking poles my glutes, quads, hamstrings, etc. are still working and carrying me along. If I use my poles and get a few more muscles to join the party, that just gives added benefits. At 65, not falling on rocky terrain tops all the silly fuss.
I was talking to a park ranger and he told me if I was concerned about bears in my area of the park I should examine the bear poop to see what kind of bear it is. He said black bears have a lot of hair, nuts and seeds in it and Grizzly bear poop has a lot of small bells and smells a lot like pepper.
I have to agree on Jetboil being very well marketed. I stuck my Soto Amicus on a Jetboil fuel canister, and my non-backpacking brother was impressed by my "Jetboil stove". I was just trying to show him alternatives to charcoal grilling from his mini camper, and even he recognized the brand on the canister.
Jetboil is a good set up. You can pick them up on sale for like $80. It does also include the pot. If you were really concerned about the few ounces more the total weight is (pot and stove) you can always take off the koozie. I get that it isn’t for the purest, but my 12 year old can make dinner with it. So it’s a win for me.
I've experimented with ultralight but have done most of my hiking (including the AT and the PCT) in the lightweight category and some winter and mountaineering trips with 50+ pounds so tried a lot of different setups. I think base weight is important but within reason you get used to the pack weight. When you pass around 40 pounds (somewhat depending on your body weight of course) though you definitely start feeling the weight, particularly when going downhill.
My wife and I were charged by a monster grizzly in a very remote area of north central BC. We were aware we were in the monster’s territory because of an earlier encounter with another couple. We were two husband/wife teams cutting grid lines for geotechnical work. I had bear spray, a bear banger and a razor shop modified chain saw and the bear exploded out of nowhere charging my wife and she dropped at the last second, I only had time to yell NOOOOOO! and the grizzly got confused and did a 180 and then I fired up my saw and started slashing little trees. Point is, your discussion on bear spray assumes you will have time and even if so how effective is the spray on an enraged bear?
I use a jet boil but it doesn't necessarily save weight or convenience (although inside a tent porch I feel it is the safer stove to use) the jet boil genuinely saves gas, and for me that means reducing my carbon footprint a little and saves me money. Although I do prefer the versatility of a regular setup plus all that titanium goodness
I agree with the Jetboil hot take to an extent. It's not overmarketed, just well marketed. i think Jetboil knows it's audience and it's audience is willing to pay extra for the convenience, ease of use, and capacity. Newer backpackers, that go in groups, that just need 1 stove to boil a ton of water. Jetboil knows this audience and they target it.
I've always found UL signifies the lightest and compact a product can be made without compromise of quality. For instance, a chair is normally, let's say, 7lbs. Companies in the outdoor realm find ways to innovate that chair to 2lbs so that it can even be considered bringing on the trail. Same goes for battery banks etc. Always thankful for those innovations as every hike and hiker has different needs. Ps; I'm not at all an experienced hiker im just getting into it, and thanks to Justin for being a huge inspiration 🤘🏻
Yeah trekking poles give your arms a workout but the extra balance isn't really necessary for most people. You can use your arms for balance and you can get lower to touch the ground with your hands when on descents.
I enjoyed this so much! It’s so true how JetBoil over marketed. I got suckered into the marketing to buy one 😂 Also - the chair even though it is a pound…after a brutal day, it’s so nice to have a real chair rather than hanging on a stump lol
I personally don't like chair and prefer to lounge on the floor with one of those super light foam mats keep it folded for a padded seat, roll it out for morning stretches, rocky floor? put it under the groundsheet
There are a bunch of things you can carry and still have a baseweight below 10lbs, but that does not mean those things are UL. Some things that are by definition not UL: 1. Camp chairs 2. Bluetooth speakers 3. Battery powered pumps 4. Camera equipment Also, hot take: powerbanks are NOT UL, no matter how light your NB10000 is.
I always make the point that just because you spend $2K on gear to get a low base weight doesn't mean you'll have a light pack. People just chuck more things in it -- like the one's you listed.
@@gearprioritypodcast Of course there is no international UL committee pumping out official definitions. But people also can’t just make their own definition. I guess the best place currently is r/UL (debatable) where the consensus is that chairs are not UL (but power banks are although it completely does not makes sense that a 10k mA battery bank is UL).
@@BackpackingandBlisters So true! After spending countless hours weighing and debating items for my LighterPack spreadsheet, there are all those last minute, “Oh yeah, I should take this,” bits and bobs that add up to real weight that somehow never make it into my LighterPack list.
I really want to see the details of the trekking pole study. It seems like a bunch of BF made by people who never carried a significant weight through the rough terrain. Or even their own … through the mountains. Yeah, legs are big muscles and hands are smaller. But trekking pole use back as well, which are huge muscles. Plus one can use poles to push forward to limit momentum on downhill. In terms of energy, this is what fat tissue is for. Recovery is more important and for that I’d prefer to do what ever I can to save as much capabilities in the legs as possible.
I always carry bear spray because the ONLY time I ever saw a bear on trail was the one time I didn’t have it. We had been making noise and did not initially scare him off. It also works in mountain lions and those pesky 2-legged predators. Having not seen a bear is a meaningless argument. I’m pretty sure most people attacked or killed hadn’t seen them either.
Just got done with a 7 mile morning hike listening to this episode, had me laughing out loud several times. Great episode and by far the best location! Also , honey Stinger guy all day.!!!
What do you think about perimeter trip alarms for your campsite? Im trying to find the best bear protection for backpacking especially after watching Backcountry last night based on a true story in Canada lol
When talking about marina wool... What in the world are "sleep tukes" or "sleep tooks" (spelled both ways in the transcript). Are they talking about sleeping bag liners?
I just don’t get the whole river crossing idea and getting your shoes and socks wet. That’s crazy to me. I’ll take the water sandals and save my shoes every day of the week.
On the topic of bear spray. Bring bear spray. Every person should have it. What happens if the person who has it is out in front and is knocked down by a bear? That has happened. No opportunity to get it out. Then the rest of you are panicking and one or more people are seriously injured or killed. And giving the bear spray to the person peeling off to take a dump? Never going to happen - guaranteed.
I totally agree with Justin’s take on merino. I got rid of everything wool I had, save some sleeping socks. After doing my own water absorption / dry time testing, and experiencing being wet against my skin ALL day, I will never use wool! And you don’t have to sweat “a lot” to completely saturate it. Hike up any decent hill and you’re drenched. My experience. I’m sure others love it, and if you do then go for it. It’s just not for me any more.
Being older and heavy, I agree. Sweating makes everything wet. I don't worry so much about socks, as it's the one thing I carry extras of. Everything else, outside of sleepwear, is synthetic. But I'm not planning on giving up my wool base layer for sleeping in colder weather.
That one time where you thought you didn't need bear spray/pew pew power.....maybe your last 😜. Definitely a hot take, but I see where he's coming from and cold heartedly disagree with full prejudice 😘
Steven from The Meat Eater was charged, while the crew was already loud and equipment with guns. I’d bring a spray and a gun. I find Carl condescending.
I enjoyed this episode. Super jealous of the location. I’m surprised Justin didn’t push back more on the spray. Jesse had to push back for him. Like dude you were attacked! 😂
Can't really push back when the data says that Carl isn't wrong.
I was surprised Justin didn’t push Carl down the cliff for that one! Lol 😆
@@bucky716 Thank you. I never get support. :)
@@BackcountryForward Next time.
@@BackpackingandBlisters I know my bear safety like you!
This was a 100% Justin production. Well done!
Amazing flex on the backdrop and kudos on the audio quality, no wind noise whatsoever
I’m not sure if this was more fun to record or listen to! Epic production, great edits, great conversation. Justin and Carl, you guys rock!
You rock too Jesse!
When I use my trekking poles my glutes, quads, hamstrings, etc. are still working and carrying me along. If I use my poles and get a few more muscles to join the party, that just gives added benefits. At 65, not falling on rocky terrain tops all the silly fuss.
I was talking to a park ranger and he told me if I was concerned about bears in my area of the park I should examine the bear poop to see what kind of bear it is. He said black bears have a lot of hair, nuts and seeds in it and Grizzly bear poop has a lot of small bells and smells a lot like pepper.
I have to agree on Jetboil being very well marketed. I stuck my Soto Amicus on a Jetboil fuel canister, and my non-backpacking brother was impressed by my "Jetboil stove". I was just trying to show him alternatives to charcoal grilling from his mini camper, and even he recognized the brand on the canister.
such a cool location to have a chat for the podcast! And what a spicy topic too 😄
Jetboil is a good set up. You can pick them up on sale for like $80. It does also include the pot. If you were really concerned about the few ounces more the total weight is (pot and stove) you can always take off the koozie. I get that it isn’t for the purest, but my 12 year old can make dinner with it. So it’s a win for me.
I’ve been loving my 2 legged ALite monarch chair since 2015! Lol it’s only dangerous when you’ve had a few too many 😂
You’re crazy… I hated that chair. It was dangerous when I hadn’t had a few too ANY! Lol
But HYOH friend!
Doing the GDT in 36 days while filming with camera gear. “Justin is in pretty good shape shape” is the understatement of the year.
Fair point.
I've experimented with ultralight but have done most of my hiking (including the AT and the PCT) in the lightweight category and some winter and mountaineering trips with 50+ pounds so tried a lot of different setups. I think base weight is important but within reason you get used to the pack weight. When you pass around 40 pounds (somewhat depending on your body weight of course) though you definitely start feeling the weight, particularly when going downhill.
Well said!
My wife and I were charged by a monster grizzly in a very remote area of north central BC. We were aware we were in the monster’s territory because of an earlier encounter with another couple. We were two husband/wife teams cutting grid lines for geotechnical work. I had bear spray, a bear banger and a razor shop modified chain saw and the bear exploded out of nowhere charging my wife and she dropped at the last second, I only had time to yell NOOOOOO! and the grizzly got confused and did a 180 and then I fired up my saw and started slashing little trees.
Point is, your discussion on bear spray assumes you will have time and even if so how effective is the spray on an enraged bear?
I use a jet boil but it doesn't necessarily save weight or convenience (although inside a tent porch I feel it is the safer stove to use) the jet boil genuinely saves gas, and for me that means reducing my carbon footprint a little and saves me money. Although I do prefer the versatility of a regular setup plus all that titanium goodness
I agree with the Jetboil hot take to an extent. It's not overmarketed, just well marketed. i think Jetboil knows it's audience and it's audience is willing to pay extra for the convenience, ease of use, and capacity. Newer backpackers, that go in groups, that just need 1 stove to boil a ton of water. Jetboil knows this audience and they target it.
I've always found UL signifies the lightest and compact a product can be made without compromise of quality. For instance, a chair is normally, let's say, 7lbs. Companies in the outdoor realm find ways to innovate that chair to 2lbs so that it can even be considered bringing on the trail. Same goes for battery banks etc. Always thankful for those innovations as every hike and hiker has different needs.
Ps; I'm not at all an experienced hiker im just getting into it, and thanks to Justin for being a huge inspiration 🤘🏻
Yeah trekking poles give your arms a workout but the extra balance isn't really necessary for most people. You can use your arms for balance and you can get lower to touch the ground with your hands when on descents.
Incredible back drop!!!! Good back and forth discussion.
I enjoyed this so much! It’s so true how JetBoil over marketed. I got suckered into the marketing to buy one 😂
Also - the chair even though it is a pound…after a brutal day, it’s so nice to have a real chair rather than hanging on a stump lol
I personally don't like chair and prefer to lounge on the floor with one of those super light foam mats keep it folded for a padded seat, roll it out for morning stretches, rocky floor? put it under the groundsheet
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Lol Justin has literally been charged by a Grizzly. How could you still not want to take Bear Spray after that???
He was alone. My comment was specific to group situations of 4+.
There are a bunch of things you can carry and still have a baseweight below 10lbs, but that does not mean those things are UL. Some things that are by definition not UL:
1. Camp chairs
2. Bluetooth speakers
3. Battery powered pumps
4. Camera equipment
Also, hot take: powerbanks are NOT UL, no matter how light your NB10000 is.
Whose definition?
I always make the point that just because you spend $2K on gear to get a low base weight doesn't mean you'll have a light pack. People just chuck more things in it -- like the one's you listed.
lol
@@gearprioritypodcast Of course there is no international UL committee pumping out official definitions. But people also can’t just make their own definition. I guess the best place currently is r/UL (debatable) where the consensus is that chairs are not UL (but power banks are although it completely does not makes sense that a 10k mA battery bank is UL).
@@BackpackingandBlisters So true! After spending countless hours weighing and debating items for my LighterPack spreadsheet, there are all those last minute, “Oh yeah, I should take this,” bits and bobs that add up to real weight that somehow never make it into my LighterPack list.
I really want to see the details of the trekking pole study. It seems like a bunch of BF made by people who never carried a significant weight through the rough terrain. Or even their own … through the mountains.
Yeah, legs are big muscles and hands are smaller. But trekking pole use back as well, which are huge muscles. Plus one can use poles to push forward to limit momentum on downhill.
In terms of energy, this is what fat tissue is for.
Recovery is more important and for that I’d prefer to do what ever I can to save as much capabilities in the legs as possible.
I backpack with my 6 daughters...not worried about bears...they're plenty noisy! But, I DO carry bear spray...for the 2-legged predators.
I always carry bear spray because the ONLY time I ever saw a bear on trail was the one time I didn’t have it. We had been making noise and did not initially scare him off. It also works in mountain lions and those pesky 2-legged predators. Having not seen a bear is a meaningless argument. I’m pretty sure most people attacked or killed hadn’t seen them either.
Just got done with a 7 mile morning hike listening to this episode, had me laughing out loud several times. Great episode and by far the best location! Also , honey Stinger guy all day.!!!
I love Honey Stinger too. Just not the bars.
What do you think about perimeter trip alarms for your campsite? Im trying to find the best bear protection for backpacking especially after watching Backcountry last night based on a true story in Canada lol
When talking about marina wool... What in the world are "sleep tukes" or "sleep tooks" (spelled both ways in the transcript). Are they talking about sleeping bag liners?
They mean touques
Ima leave Carl on the ground as the bear mawls his ass as a 4th meal after digging for berries all week. “Welp, shoulda brought your bear spray”
Hot take - Stick Stashers don't work well enough to justify them.
is that really a hot take? lol those def suck and any decent pack probably comes with a better solution
@@higler. I bought them and tried one trip with them, it was more of a reaction to them being promoted
I couldn’t imagine doing all the big step ups and downs without trekking poles. My knees would kill me
I just don’t get the whole river crossing idea and getting your shoes and socks wet. That’s crazy to me. I’ll take the water sandals and save my shoes every day of the week.
On the topic of bear spray. Bring bear spray. Every person should have it. What happens if the person who has it is out in front and is knocked down by a bear? That has happened. No opportunity to get it out. Then the rest of you are panicking and one or more people are seriously injured or killed. And giving the bear spray to the person peeling off to take a dump? Never going to happen - guaranteed.
J: thank you for your thoughts on merino wool
Awesome, I think I just watched the hike to this 🤔
I sweat a lot so Merino is not the best choice for me. Merino/synthetic blend a better choice. Alpaca better yet, for me anyway.
I got so excited seeing where this podcast was filmed. Is this a first?!
First for me. This was the middle of the hiking day with quite a bit more left. But can't beat the spot. :)
I can almost 100% guarantee that no other podcast has ever been filmed at this location.
Bear spray is inportant, but if you don't know how to use bear spray or have it stored not in your reach, there is no point in having bear spray.
I totally agree with Justin’s take on merino. I got rid of everything wool I had, save some sleeping socks. After doing my own water absorption / dry time testing, and experiencing being wet against my skin ALL day, I will never use wool! And you don’t have to sweat “a lot” to completely saturate it. Hike up any decent hill and you’re drenched. My experience. I’m sure others love it, and if you do then go for it. It’s just not for me any more.
Being older and heavy, I agree. Sweating makes everything wet. I don't worry so much about socks, as it's the one thing I carry extras of. Everything else, outside of sleepwear, is synthetic. But I'm not planning on giving up my wool base layer for sleeping in colder weather.
I would buy that pillow.
That one time where you thought you didn't need bear spray/pew pew power.....maybe your last 😜. Definitely a hot take, but I see where he's coming from and cold heartedly disagree with full prejudice 😘
Killer green screen.
Steven from The Meat Eater was charged, while the crew was already loud and equipment with guns.
I’d bring a spray and a gun.
I find Carl condescending.
Firearms are not prohibited in the National Parks or our provincial parks, please do not carry them on trail.
Merino for life!!!
Purple pants
Justin easily wins for best podcast backdrop ever! 🏔️
I gave away 15x of those bars on a 7 day pct segment. Disgusting bar
Hot take: I wipe my ass before leave for a hiking trip so I don’t have to take toilet paper and I save more weight.
Hot take the pink titanium spoon is over rated
:) Agreed!
10mm will always work better than spray….