@@krisdwii I mean it was the most fun activity of last year as well imo, vex offense was a bit fun too and great visually and soundwise but sundial beats it with everything. Seraph towers were fun for the first 3 events and got boring afterwards and contact was a little fun in the beginning.
One of my big issues is it always feels like we're being told to "wait until next year" for things to get better, but then you realize next year never actually comes.
I've been telling this for years. Bungie are master liars, for years talking about "bright future" in next DLC, and then more problems come, and they promise for the next DLC and over, and over, and over again. Somehow the game gets worse with each update.
i think it has to do more with that destiny's gameplay is solid, it's a good game to play, it's just not very good at giving us things to do and grind for. We want to play, we just need more of a good reason to do so.
I felt that way towards the end of Destiny 1 - had been playing fairly consistently with almost no content throughout the lifespan of the game, and after Destiny 2's disastrous launch I asked myself what it was that was keeping me playing. The answer? The friends I'd made. But we all felt the same - so rather than continue to smash our heads against the Destiny wall, we just left together and moved onto another game (WoW) which has an unfathomable amount of content by comparison and a much more rewarding sense of progression.
Whatever its true motivations were, sunsetting has effectively depreciated the value of all content in the game. A car that never breaks down is much more valuable than an otherwise identical car that breaks down after exactly one year (see Gnawing Hunger). By making all content in the game transient and temporary they've depreciated the benefit of grinding for gear, getting good with that gear, getting good at any given activity, etc. The impermanence of a raid means you might be motivated to get better at it faster to reap its benefits sooner, but those benefits don't last as long as before. In some sense we get the worst of both worlds: we have to rush more than before to get gear that won't last as long as before, i.e. work harder for less benefit. Bungie's eased the pain here and there by letting us target loot more easily with the new final raid chest design, the Hunt perk targeting system, etc, but sunsetting has created a new FOMO + 'what's the point' dynamic that I find very demotivating.
@@atomic_wait I can totally see where you are coming from and your argument was very sound, but your analogy about cars doesn't exactly make sense in this context. New cars come out every year, and more times than not they improve upon the previous design because of the innovation of technology. In destiny, however we get new weapons and armor all the time, but since we already had so many amazing unbeatable weapons, its hard for players to want to use anything else. Therefore, if you have amazing weapons, there is no motivation to get new ones and use new ones as you already have the best. Back when sunsetting was announced, I immediately dropped my mountaintop, put it in the vault, and picked up other weapons. You wanna know why? Because I felt it was necessary to become more skilled with other weapons because of how the meta was going to change, having a constant rotation of weapons creates an artificial motivation to get the newest gear and to use it, which is healthy for the game's meta. I do agree that sometimes I fall into a "What's the point" dynamic, but the ability to create new loadouts and buildcraft has been better than previously in destiny because of the idea of sunsetting. You know, before sunsetting was announced, I never used warmind mods. Never. I was so into using mountaintop and recluse or Gnawing Hunger that I didn't want to slap on my seventh seraph revolver or smg. With how the meta has changed, its broadened my buildcrafting views and let me explore other aspects of the game. Maybe my argument to you is pointless, but maybe it'll change the way you think about sunsetting, even just a little.
Grinding for the same weapons when they told us we wouldn’t grind for the exact same gun just for a later sunset lvl killed it for me. The trickle style content feels a lot like the droughts from D1. Except it was more engaging imo. Makes me sad waiting to see such potential in a game then realizing it just may never reach it. Have a great weekend everyone ✌🏾
@@lexmitchell4402 I respected their decision to remain in D2 at first, but the utter lack of innovation in the face of losing 75% of the game just shows me they should have taken the year or two break and started D3 from scratch.
Preach Datto! I think when we look back to D1 it's been 5 years now...To the people who've been here since the beginning it's time for major enhancements to the end-game among many other meaningless redundant content and pointless activities. Give us reasons to play your game beyond the casual level. Innovation needs to adhere and rise above the mediocrity that this game possesses at this current templating DLC story telling state...Whisper of the Worm is a great start for creating amazing experiences for procedurally generating quests, exploration and hardcore end-game experiences. This isn't charity ... Priceless!
Back then no one knew anything about the game. The problem people have is they are living in the past and expect a dlc where there will be a lot of mystery. Which just isn’t going to happen. Expectations are way to high and another problem is that there is a lot of content in the game but no one wants to do it because it is tedious. And if you look back at forsaken most of it was the dreaming city and nothings going to beat that. At the end of the day the problem with the dlc isn’t bungie but YOU
@@lukesaunders2937 hmmmmm nah it’s still definitely bungies fault for all of this shitty devs don’t know how to top a game they years ago cough cough *the end state of d1* which was destiny at its peak
As a casual player, the constant armor changing in order to increase the artificial number only prevents me from even attempting buildcrafting. I have to be more focused on the number, make sure that all the armor lines up perfectly so sometimes it prevents me from thinking about builds...
yep. it was already tedious each time a new expansion came out in destiny 1 and vanilla destiny 2, but coming back now with all these prisms and shards and the only way to get them is the hardest endgame shit which all basically requires teammate shit? i just say "why bother" especially knowing even if i did bust my ass to get the perfectly rolled armor, if i level get a new piece that's more power in my next pinnacle drop, it'll cost me more of a precious resource to infuse it and then if i wanna masterwork it it'll be a whole nightmare and then 2 months from now i can't even bring it forward. it's "good enough" now i guess.
I've watched this video and he doesn't miss at all. Every point he makes I'm like "EXACTLY". Destiny needs something really different to what they've done in the past, transmog is a sort of new thing for destiny but I feel like there needs to be more different stuff. For example I would really like a sort of gunsmith system were you're specifically able to choose between every available perk and available sight on a specific gun, like you go to banshee and basically customize your gun. Or be able to upgrade a white, green and blue rarity weapon to purple for more perks and better stats.
@Hellfire LWD umm. Lmao bro your whole statement is so contradicting it’s almost funny. Make d3 and start with a clean slate and don’t get rid of content from D2 we paid for and grinder etc. what I’m the actual F do you think D3 will do as a whole? Get rid of old content lol. Now yes I know you can always play D2 blah blah blah. But the point is. It’s the same difference in the end. D2 would be left behind along w all we paid for and grinded regardless of them removing content or not.
That was such a disappointment. I was also extremely disappointed that Crow just stays there. I'd absolutely love it if he relocated somewhere-say, his place in the EDZ, assuming a transmat point was added there-and if his voice lines were updated post-Spider. I love it when games let you have an impact and invest in and change things in the world. I'm usually pretty positive or else apathetic when it comes to Destiny 2 stuff. I was popping off when we freed the Crow, but this actually disappointed me.
@@colonelpopcorn7702 same here. Usually defend a lot of their choices because I see the potential behind some of it, but a lot of the choices they've made this season/expansion have been pretty whack.
"This isn't a charity" LITERAL FACTS. At the end of the day, this is a business. If we aren't getting our money's worth out of an expansion, why should we care about the game anymore.
This is the reason, and I'm so glad Datto said it, because its legit a great summary to the big frustration with innovation. This community (including myself) for a very long time gave them pass, after pass, after pass. I was never part of the "Destiny is dying" crowd, but I have never seen this much of a pushback from the player base in a long time, if ever (as of recent memory). At some point, Destiny is gonna tank if nothing is done and more people leave the game.
@@omolon_adaptive_frame3989 This is what concerns me most. Until someone shapes up and snatches the Destiny crown (which wouldn't be too difficult right now), Bungie has no reason to improve on their current model.
I fear that with a darkness subclass coming this year and next year, it could make pvp worse is Bungie doesn’t figure out how to properly balance things.
"This ain't a charity, and the content that is put out needs to deliver." This right here hits the nail on the head pretty well, we won't be getting anything Forsaken sized ever again, but for the love of god if we're gonna be doing wrathborn hunts for the entire season then make them matter. Make them difficult, make us have to use our builds to triumph, give us variety in the hunts than just the same 4 bosses on a refreshing loot table with us having to run through the same strikes we've been running since this game came out. Give us less filler, give us more meaningful content.
The problem of the game is the casual players, the enjoy a infinite leveling loop without saying nothing. Is like "okay bungo, i got my seasonal cookie, give me another at the end of the season". If there's something just a little bit hard they make it easy as fuck, seriously do you remember the Escalation Protocol? They nerf the difficult because of the casual. Remember the Forges? Nerf. Rasputin public event? Nerf. And what happend when there's something ridiculously easy? Nothing. The new raid is easy as fuck, the npc's dont give a dam if you are close to the them or you if are doing an emote xd. Psdt: sorry for my english lul
@@JoMorem the nerf to escalation protocol was justified. I remember datto having trouble with it with high level guardians in a 9 MAN PARTY, when it was supposed to be completed with only 3. I do agree tho they need to do something about difficulty in this game. They need to change the gameplay fundamentally so that combat becomes more skill based than it currently is.
@@warrior1563 Having enemies actually land their shots would be a start. In most content the biggest danger is you doing something stupid, not enemies.
Well tbf the Cosmodrome does have a purpose, and that’s the New Light campaign. It does have pretty solid reason to be here, far more than planets like Nessus - ESPECIALLY since Leviathan is gone now
Cosmodrome is useless. All "story" missions that happened there could be done at any planet. At first I was excited to get back on Cosmodrome (nostalgia), but when I got back, I realised there is nothing to do! On next season bungie just return old strikes from destiny 1, maybe VOG, than we see 30 minutes of story and grind begins, grind for things that become useless in s next year...
Imo as long as they try to accomodate for everyone (Especially the vocal minority of reddit because a few posts with a few thousand upvotes in a game that's played by hundreds of thousands is def not a majority opinion), they will never get to where they want. There's a lot of people playing the game, with lots of ideas and desires for the game, and every time one of them yells enough, bungie complies. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing at times because there's been instances where it saved the game. But when you try to please everyone, you end up disappointing everyone. At some point you have to choose what group to piss off and cut them as losses. And it should def not be the "just more destiny" crowd. Quality over quantity.
@@pcrassen4975 /r/DestinyTheGame has 2 million subscribers. They just recently passed that milestone. New users are discovering and engaging with that subreddit every day. It is still Reddit, but you should not dismiss them like they are worth nothing. A lot of users simply vote instead of writing posts. People can make their sentiments known without them all having to post the same thread over and over. The reason why you are seeing this now is that people feel like Bungie is not listening to them at all, and the community managers are not paying attention.
Damn so so true how many times have we gotten the step in right direction speech it's like what fucking direction are you walking in cause it feels like we're stuck in a goddamn circle
@@pcrassen4975 could not of said it better like I just wrote destiny is not new it hasn't been for a very long time it is way past time they switched out of gobble up new player base mode and switched to just focusing on us hard-core players you know the ones who kept this game even talked about let alone alive all these years
@@ER12 as much as I agree that there should be more appreciation from Bungie for the long time players (why no Hero of the Red War title for those who actually did that campaign?)its not financially viable. Remember they just went back out on their own and D2 is their biggest source of income. They have to keep new players coming in to replace to hardcore players who have most things and will most likely spend less time playing this season than someone who just started and found their love for the game. They are in a position where they have to listen to everyone. And if I needed a end game load out to do wrath or hunts I probably wouldn't have messed with them till a week or so ago. I dont play D2 for a challenging shooter all the time, raids and nightfalls sure, but id go play Escape from Tarkov if I was in the mood for a hard shooter game.
Isn't helped that all the season pass armour looks like shit. Feels like *all* the good looking sets were sunset. I know bungie isn't working with the same sized team...but fuck me
@@TKVisme Image if the dawning reward was a choice from a selection of exotic and legendary ornaments? I'd be totally on board. I play this game to look like a badass while getting mercied.
Yea that was really lazy and sort of just anti climatic in terms of story development. The mission was fun but I was sorely disappointed in the abrupt halt of progress.
@@deviousdoggo5534 after coup de grâce it doesn't really make sense to go on wrathborn hunts from a lore perspective. The high celebrant is dead so you shouldn't see more cryptolyths. Crow being there is because you are "reliving" past missions, just like you can keep running strikes for bosses you have killed countless times. I assume we won't see Crow there next season.
@@f.p.5410 Should be. Crow should reside somewhere in the tower. And please NOT Cayde's spot. That is heresy. Maybe the Crow's Nest near The Reservoir area in the EDZ. We found his bedroom there, right?
@@kiidan speaking of heresy did you see that during the dawning event they covered the colonel under a pile of snow? I spent 20 minutes using the sweeping emote when I saw it lol.
100% not only did they do that but they cut out season content of the dlc price so you had to pay 50 bucks for what should honestly be max 25 bucks at fucking max.
I don't think the amount of content was that much different. But forsaken shouldn't have costed that much anyway. (edit) I stand corrected. I guess I didn't realize that all that stuff was added just for that dlc. I didn't really start playing till shadow keep.
Have we really progressed from "there's so much to do and none of it matters"? Yes, we have! We've come to the point where there's not much to do and none of it matters.
At this point, I’m only playing D2 for power grinding, getting to season pass rank 100, and playing whatever missions the season has (like Hawkmoon missions, the recent last Wrathborn Hunt).
@@Tropicalbat Yeah, we all appreciate how well he can summarize how most of us are feeling, but it's unfortunate nearly nothing has changed since last time he did it.
I just downloaded the expansions because they were free. Havent played destiny 2 in over a year. Its still exactly the same, except now you are stuck in stasis the entire time you play pvp.
Gonna repeat what I said last time: I'm in the condition that I actually miss Season of Dawn core loop: Sundial was fun, you could try your loadouts and still farm really cool weapons (Patron of lost causes, Martyr, Steelfeather, Breachlight)
It was a terrible season, but some really cool things dropped during that season: Felwinter's and all the charged with light and warmind mods. Sigh. FOMO at it's best.
All of this talk reminds me of the classic existential question: “why am I pursuing money?” People will practically dedicate their lives to making money; people will make money to make more money. Once they’ve made enough to ensure a stable life and continue to pursue money, there comes to a point where they look back and ask why? What was this all for? There are many takes on this, but in my opinion the value was never in the money, the value was in how you spent your time. How this equate to destiny, we are basically the rich man with an existential crisis right now. We have all the powerful loot we could ever possibly need. Bungie can keep rolling out more loot every season so players can pursue it, but a month or two in players are left asking what is this all for? I wish there was more content in the game that was fun to do. I feel like taking crucible playlists out was a terrible idea. I feel like leaving the strike playlist as it’s been for the past 6 years is a terrible idea. I feel like taking activities like the menagerie (I personally enjoyed playing it) was one of the worst ideas they’ve had. Make these activities fun. Personally I feel like a hoard mode would really satisfy many players. I don’t get on destiny to pursue more loot at this point, I want to get on to have fun.
I agree on everything except the horde mode. I feel like people don't understand how monotonous that would get, especially since we've already had 10+ variations of a destiny horde mode. I don't want to be put on another mob-farm treadmill, I want destiny gameplay to evolve to a point of actual difficulty.
@@milzhere I think how they execute it is crucial. A hoard mode similar to zombies where every level it gets increasingly difficult to the point where it’s impossible to complete. Make it so that after a certain number of levels there is a reward that’s worthwhile, increasing in rarity/value/quantity. This would be a good place to farm loot for casual players, and a good challenge for those who who want to break records. It would give reason to use the insanely powerful builds we have. I feel like I’m all of the attempted hoard modes Bungie has done, they’ve only taken half measures, too afraid to go all in.
@@peter2kx I loved zombies, and while that sounds fun on its face, i can't help but think about after 3-6 months of that, when it'll be abandoned/monotonous. Since bungie doesn't update existing content frequently, they'd probably just recreate it in a slightly different way every 6-12 months and it would be in the exact same place the core playlists are now, until they abandon it as well. I'm clamoring for a place to use builds as much as you, but this concept just doesn't address any of the issues with the core game. I don't think going "all in" on a mindless killfest will make players feel more rewarded for the time sink that is Destiny.
@@milzhere i agree. once it gets to the point of difficulty such as GM nightfalls, then youre just getting annoyed. one tapped because of artificial difficulty (looking at you, aptly named Chamber of Suffering in the Pit of Heresy) just sucks
@@milzhere then bungie should update shit they need to stop adding new things that’ll go in like a year and update stuff that will always stay like strikes, crucible, and gambit then they can maybe add new things
"There's so much to do and none of it really matters" Story of my life as a new Destiny player. I picked up all 3 expansion packs and my homie has been helping me grind through the game and it's crazy how much I hear him say "Yeah, this stuff you're getting doesn't matter, it's sunsetted"
'developing a game is hard work and we lack the tools to do our job' - someone at bungie circa 2016 during an investor meeting regarding why content was lacking in both quantity and quality.
@@ShadowNova300 The game came out 6 and a half years ago and people have been asking for transmog since day one - myself included. It's a basic quality of life update. This should have been a top priority from the start. I'm sure Bungie had some self-serving reason for not including it but who cares. I stopped playing years ago and check dattos content hoping they release something significant instead of adding to the pile as Datto says. I don't know where they go from here because I don't think Bungie will ever have the resources to produce the game we were all hoping destiny would be. Destiny 2 is basically locked in its own stasis and seems like its going to be that way forever.
@@ShadowNova300 it is, and the fact they’re making it “In game currency OR silver” only is bullshit cause the IGC will probably be tied to raids. Should just be glimmer like Diablo but Bungie HAS to monetize every single part of this game now.
Endless horde, six players, activity ends once everyone's dead, loot is determined by time tiers through either longest surviving team member or each player's time of death. As time goes on, you look at a shank wrong and you die. Add time limits for people to survive or opt to go endless. E: Of course, thinking of ways to push the game forward beyond damage/density increases and puzzles while keeping it fun takes time and knowhow I don't have.
What's your idea of "non-artificial difficulty" besides tweaking the rate at which we deal and take damage? Like Datto mentioned, most enemies in the game aren't really a threat for most content. So do we just need more enemies? They honestly aren't that big of a challenge with today's builds that feed off of multikills. Do we need more special units? People complain endlessly about snipers, champions, etc. already. Do we need more mechanics? I actually agree on this front but it's clear that making pug-friendly mechanics is a very delicate tightrope between "inconsequential" and "people are rage-quitting this activity because of randos". I've seen all of these things and more also described as "artificial" difficulty, to the point where I don't think that word really means anything anymore beyond "I don't like this". Like yes making enemies higher level isn't exciting on its own, but it does at least force us to actually engage with the systems for increasing our damage and survivability, and to play in a more careful/considered way instead of just speedrunning everything.
@@myhandlewastaken I wouldn't say it's the same, necessarily. A car or computer can still be used for all its original functions long after newer models come out that do it better. Using the same analogy, sunset gear is like a car that you can only drive around the neighborhood but not to restaurants or workplaces, or a computer you can use to play games but not browse the internet.
Bungie is like that friend that keeps asking for money to start his business but keeps failing, but keeps asking again and again and you keep giving because you wanna give him one more shot.
@@iamcreamingbecause1061 dattos thoughts rn r exactly how I feel about the game I do hope bungie realizes the core problems with the game and make it go through an evolution to make it the game everyone wants
"We've heard your feedback and we shall continue to make eververse better. Season 13 will also see the removal of crucible since ya'll complaint so much" - Bungie, probably.
I'll be honest, I just want a lightweight sword that I can get the roll I had on my Goldtusk to exist beyond 1060 because lightweight swords literally just died in Beyond Light
The one big thing I like about Europa is the weather system, though it doesn’t build up to the hype I feel like Bungie tried to make about it. It would be nice to see other planets get their own weather systems and maybe build events around that. Like the Exo training where we have to run to the fires to stay warm while taking on Vex. But add a leaderboard and goal to complete them in, if you’re able to beat the goal score or time wise you get something nice, preferably armor or mod wise related to the event you just completed. Heck it’d be amazing if we somehow got a mini forge mode and can create variants of pvp maps or missions. Create some awards for those people like “have 100 people play on your map/mode”. We’ll at least have more content while Bungie cooks up the story and larger scale missions and raids. I know people, myself included sometimes compare Destiny to Halo but I think community wise there’d be some benefits from it
Mate I’ve done my whole education through online learning so far and am doing a levels then Uni where I have no lessons or teacher, all I have is books and the internet you’re not doing that bad.
@@aaronwright6891 It's what we expect from a company that was driven for years on raw passion for gaming and storytelling. Sadly, it seems that version of Bungie is truly dead.
Totally agree, but core activities technically already have titles ie: conqueror, unbroken, dregen. Maybe if there was a kind of prestige title, such as one for having conqueror, unbroken, and dregen, or a title given for having all concurrent raid titles.
@@Closer1404 the reason for the acquisition of titles is that it gives a Reason to what you are doing, a goal to work towards that won't be pointless in a few months like all the other pursuits in the game
Congrats on getting married!! It’s awesome to see you loving life, I remember watching your leaving LA vid hoping everything worked out and it’s amazing to see where you are now!! It’s inspirational! ❤️
I want the game to be hard. And not in “I just got one banged by a gm vandal” kinda way. I want the game hard like hm crota was in db. Like skolas was in house of wolves. I miss that game. Well and these passive ads make the game so pathetic it just sucks.
I know what you mean. Stuff like halo and doom eternal have difficulty levels that actually scale and you have to be more skillful, whereas destiny feels like it goes from really easy to just super frustrating with nothing in between.
@@devocleb This is the real problem with the game's difficulty IMO. Part of the fun of Halo or Doom is that if you're skilled enough you can dodge and weave around every enemy attack. Destiny's combat is designed in a similar way but somehow it just doesn't seem to work as well. I can dodge a few projectiles, sure, I can disarm dreg grenades by shooting them, but it feels like there isn't any counterplay most of the time. Enemies are way too quick to spam ridiculous shots with perfect aim that knock out your entire shield. One dreg grenade is easy enough to destroy but dregs almost always come in packs of 3 or more. Even with good aim, you're fighting a losing battle against dreg grenades when trying to recover shields. All the tools to make good encounters are there, but the enemies just don't stick around long enough to make any of that feel meaningful.
@@Localgoast Halo felt good because it took skill to play. An elite could easily kill you, they did easily kill you and they continued to do so until you learnt to fight back. Jumping, dodging, weaving, shooting, punching, after a while you became the super-soldier you were playing as. Destiny isn't about skill, it's a numbers game. "Gee willikers guardian, looks like your light level is only *1049* but this strike requires a light level of *1050* " you grind a bit, get a new pair of boots or whatever and suddenly you're 1060. Guess what? You just obliterated every enemy without breaking a sweat. PvP is pay to win, simple as that. I'm not dying because a skilled player fought me in fair combat and ended my ass, i'm dying because some random muppet turned my into a popsicle. That aside, can anybody explain to me why armor was sunset? I can understand the weapons since it mixes up the meta but what does armor have to do with it? Is my fashion too powerful for this game to handle? A good way to put it is that Destiny 2 is like having a kind, beautiful girlfriend/boyfriend who has a habit of making the worst possible decisions. Why are you doing this to themself? Why can't they just do the right thing once in a while? It feels hopeless as you're trying to decipher their actions.
@@bl0rt0 hm crota was hard because you were underleveled. I had over 100 clears of it and rarely saw glitches. I’ve seen more glitches in d2 raids than I potentially ever saw in d1 other than aksis
I honestly believe bungie has moved on itself to something new. It is only keeping the game alive for the superfans. I don't see a huge change in the way destiny does anything. This is it for it.
Yep, this is what everyone needs to realize including youtubers, it is clearly the plan, they will continue to lead us on with, "next fall expansion will be better," but we all know it wont....
They’re keeping the game alive to keep themselves meaningfully employed and to fund their current/future projects. They care a token amount about their fans.
I have always wanted a horde mode but in area like the roman Colosseum. Maybe the set in the Awoken home with the prisons of elders prisoners get sent into the colosseum for us to slaughter, while the Awoken cheer us on.
I mean, a lot of ppl blame Luke, but forget there's also many others who decide how things go. I imagine he only has so much staff/resources/control. Bungies board and Netease are likely starting to move a lot of resources to the new IP, like Chris Barrett who left for Matter. Even the heads of Bungo have been working on non-destiny stuff. It's clear Bungo in general are just milking Destiny players. No different than a mobile game, get it to a point, and then put it in low maintenance mode and make as much cash as possible.
@@GbHaseo I wouldn't say they are "bailing" on Destiny. If they were we wouldn't be getting two more expansions, for good or ill. I would imagine that Bungie wants to be a more than one game studio however, seeing as they have been working on the series almost exclusively for the better part of 8-10 years. They seem like a company that gets "bored" for what it's worth. Halo was a money printing series and they were either finished telling that story, or were just tired of it. If they can do work on both IP's, great, but I wouldn't be surprised if Lightfall was the end.
@@themartyguy Ahhhh, then he should've fired the ppl who over ruled him on double primaries, or any of the other decisions he disliked, but they went ahead with? Bungie runs by committee, its likely the idea wasn't even his, but pushed by ppl on the balancing and marketing teams. Game directors are often not responsible for decisions of the teams. The teams come up with their ideas, and what they wanna do. Game studios are full of ego, politics, and drama. He's basically a PR head, and manager between the devs and the execs.
It’s so baffling how much bungie improved on and perfected the endgame experience back in destiny 1 with strikes, raids and crucible just to completely throw it away and never make anything as good.
What they are doing now and focusing on D2 should've happened it D1. I think the last summer event when they updated all the raids and updated armor and weapons was the perfect. Obviously there are some quality of life changes in D2 that are better cause of the engine like the whole orbit thing but I'm sure they could've updated that on D1 if they focused on it and updated with the new hardware released. It feels a little too late now unless they make massive changes before Witch Queen but I doubt that by seeing how Beyond Light and this season were handled. Beyond Light by itself is pretty good but since its an expansion and nothing added to crucible, vanguard, and gambit(minor changes but again not enough) it really showed the barebone of everything else. I had issues in Shadowkeep with the lack of vendor refresh but with the launch of Beyond Light it really showed. Also the loot pool is extremely boring and nothing feels unique and it's more infuriating when you look at old weapon models THAT ARENT EVEN USED! WHERE ARE THE OMOLON PULSES, SUROS SNIPERS, VEIST SIDEARMS, AND MORE. Like seriously its not that hard, slap cruciblelike skin on an omolon pulse and boom a weapon there. I defend bungie alot and stasis isn't that bad the REAL issue is the core of the game and what keeps people playing and none of that was introduced in Beyond Light or this Season.
@@iamcreamingbecause1061 bro wdym. Age of Triumph was the best destiny’s ever been in terms of endgame content. Strike specific loot which never came back, 4 raids to play and an actual REASON to play them every week, strike scoring, trials felt rewarding for any player no matter PvP skill level, IB was actually rewarding, etc.
@@fort809 strike specific loot sucks ass. Id rather play a variety of strikes to get something instead of the same level on repeat until I want to kill myself.
@@fort809 I never understood why y’all like strike scoring? How was that even fun lmao but I can’t disagree with the rest with what you said, somewhat.
Does anyone realize how good datto is at like speaking or like expressing his thoughts, I don’t understand a lot of people when they do these type of videos but datto is so good at getting his point across or making a good point.
Overall he is great with actionable things and the feelings behind them. This one was a bit lacking in besides the make enemies harder part and saying there needs to be more than just content. I could read into his previous comments and say bring more long focused grinds similar to Forsaken that rewards players like him but it sounds both like there is more to that as much as there is to him not knowing.
This was it, this was the video from a Destiny content creator that is the closest to my feeling towards Destiny now, Datto if you see this comment, I personally wanna thank you for accurately summing up the issue that a lot of people have been having. Thank you sir, I wish both you and your wife (shes super funny) a very good 2021.
It’s not that we need MORE Destiny, we need a BETTER Destiny where the incentive to play is better and rewarding that isn’t a very long grind but long enough. Obviously newer stuff like new strikes and maps for crucible/gambit is also good, but if there is no good reason to play, why play at all.
In a primarily PvE game, if PvP is the most replayable activity, the game has a huge problem. You can't just chill and play Destiny. The game is so fucking easy you can walk through most of the content using nothing but a primary. Want a challenge? Spend your time LFGing for a team to do Master / Grandmaster strikes, literally the only challenging PvE content in the game since every single raid is a fat joke. Such a waste.
I mean a lot could happen in those years so I don’t think it is a bad thing and they could tell a story in a few years and release an expension maybe 1 or 2 or some years later and tell other stories.
Big query: What counts as innovation vs more? I tried thinking of 'innovating strikes' for the last few days and nothing I myself can think up is not gimmicky. Optional Challenges for loot?: What really can you add that doesnt tire folk. We already have randomised enemy types. And the new vex enemies confounded people.... for 0.0000000001 second.
Without turning it into an MMO (with crafting etc) there's not a lot they can do. One suggestion though would be to include new Iron Banner armor & weapons .. It's been years since anything decent has come from that (besides a recolor or old re-purposed sets)
There is nothing they can do without a TTK level overhaul of the game's systems. The levelling system in particular is the largest problem that the game has - being able to get to max power by doing essentially nothing, and requiring max power for essentially nothing, mean that the game has no worthy long term pursuits beyond the cosmetic (mostly just titles).
the this is tho: bungie has proved to have the skill it takes to revitalize a dead game making it great from its lowest points, it's happened with the taken king first, with d1 y3 as well and forsaken literally saved a dead game. Since Shadowkeep was pretty bad and the game had been stale for a year many people expected beyond light to deliver what forsaken did b4 and when they released a slightly better Shadowkeep the disappointment was much bigger, cause ffs it's 40 euros: I could buy ff14 new expansion and enjoy a lot more content for the same bucks and I wouldn't have to sit through appalling storywriting (lore is awesome but campaign really isn't and beyond light one was probably even worse than vanilla's one)
Destiny WAS a great game if not the best of its time but now it’s a “good” game but it’s not going in the good direction beyond light was a huge disappointment things that need nerfs don’t get it but buffed more things that need buffs don’t get buffs get just more nerfs I also thing they have made horrible mistakes in beyond light getting rid of in my opinion hood raids like scourge I mean forsaken was the last amazing campaign that actually saved destiny from its death shadow keep was eh the side quests were good the story not so much and beyond light I hate when I beat a expansion hyped up so much in just simply 2 days I love destiny and always will but holy fuck it’s killing itself and us as it’s veteran players
@@xalem9922 Forsaken was the product of them being backed by Activision . No they claim that they can no longer produce much armors or weapons or core content. But they were sure able to do it in D1 (weapons and armor wise) so I'm not really sure what their logic is there
@@geezusotl4021 ye exactly and while there sure are some good reasons for both shadowkeep and bl being lackluster, I’d rather they got rid of the season system and actually do 2 good chunks of content release per year, but those were actually good or offered some degree of replayability
Well, Datto always said he'd see how Destiny is going when the season drops. Excited, but not too hyped with any huge expectations. The OTHER creators were actually hyping Beyond Light and saying how there'd be so much content coming out.
@@jalen40k45 he literally in this video said "destiny should be good in season 14 when VOG comes out" it's the same thing every year. These creators just won't open up and admit this game is BAD and Luke Smith is actively trying to kill the franchise.
@@matthewschurbert2244 You're wrong, actually. He said "The peak of Destiny should be season 14" assuming VoG drops in that season. He didn't say he was excited for it, or that Destiny will be GOOD. And what he said is true. VoG is going to be the peak of this year of Destiny. Peak meaning the high point.Whether Destiny is going to be good when VoG drops, we don't know. But don't go around putting quotation marks on things that haven't been stated.
@@jalen40k45 boohoo I used one wrong word. It doesn't take away the fact that EVERY content creator has the same mind set of waiting until something comes out later for a peak", or whatever you wana call it, it's been the same old song and dance for years now and until people like Datto who have such a huge voice in the community stop letting bungie mess around like this and playing the "oh guys I know our games dry now, were listening but just wait until this" is garbage. All of them said the same crap before beyond light came out and look at us now.
My thoughts? Destiny, as an IP, doesn't really "MATTER" to Bungie. At least, not like it used to. I think there goal is, "Get to 'Lightfall,' finish this story up, and 'finish' that ten year plan."
Bungie needs: Hard Mode raid with ornaments Weekly rotator legacy raid and dungeon for pinnacle or 60+ stat armor Unsunset Forsaken and Shadowkeep GM NF ornaments and specific guns Strike scoring and speedrun leaderboards Actual new crucible maps on Europa Gambit maps
Have you got some suggestions for bungie, I’d love to see what “dattos destiny” would play like. I think you streamers and content creators to get together and brainstorm what fixes/ improvements/ innovations you guys would do.
Anyone remember when the enemies were a higher level than the player, even when the player was capped..... Prepridge Farms remembers . Seriously, if Bungie wants to challenge players, THIS would be a great first step. Also, maybe we don't need so many buffs/debuffs in D2. Champions are "fine" but honestly really just annoying monsters and it forces players to use specific weapons over freedom of weapon choices. For strikes, I think we need to look backwards to go forwards. You know what I enjoyed about grinding strikes in D1, hunting for cool weapons and cosmetic armors (this wouldn't solve anything major, but would bring more people into the playlist). Do the same for crucible, though they sorta did this with Stars in Shadow, but I would like MULTIPLE NEW crucible armor/weapons to hunt for. Maybe even new game modes.... I LIKED rift, it had problems, but I still liked it. Nightfalls are okay the way they are I guess, though I used to love doing Nightfalls in D1 because they were a challenge (in some cases cheesable, I'm looking at you Icebreaker). It forced you to play well, if your team (or you if you solo'd it) wiped, that's it. Go to start. I just don't have an incentive to care about NF's in D2. Raids, Hard Mode (for one). For the same reason as NF's. Hard Mode and being unable to revive mattered in D1, it forced you and your team to know the mechanics and play well. Not being able to revive also allowed for some "Hero Moments". I just feel like we lost too much for "casual play"
@@sladedean8928 Revive tokens are great for normal, I see your point. But D1 Hard Mode was literally "You died, welp you either succeed with 5 or less or wipe". I get Bungie didn't like some groups only wiping as point to try again, and it made encounters artificially longer in some groups. But it FELT better to finally succeed when you failed a few (or a lot) of attempts before. Take DSC for example, outside of a few factors like rubberbanding hp on Atraks or some other glitchy behavior there is literally no challenge to DSC (and a couple of the "challenge modes" of DSC actually just slow the encounter down ...). Original VoG or King's Fall or WotM had actual points you could fail because of enemy damage, enemy positioning, mechanics (even glitchy ones like Aegis in VoG). I MIGHT have some rose tinited goggles about D1 but you can't tell me it was technically a harder game, even with weapons like Ghorn and Icebreaker. I also forgot to mention a couple things in my original post. First, we are still paying for the sins of the double primary system. Adept weapons in D1 were a pvp specific way to get elemental primaries outside of raiding (well... until TTK). In addition to some of these guns being exceptional pvp weapons and okayish pve weapons they were something to hunt for. In D2, the main reason "adept" weapons aren't anything to write home about is that elemental primaries are just not that important in D2. Also, lets say adept weapons had extra perks IN addition to the normal perks and mod slot. Well then they are strictly better than ANY gun you could get because Bungie just power creeped the hell out of those guns. Guns that probably 95% of the player base couldn't even obtain. And yeah we're getting adept weapons next seasons from other sources, but those ToO adept weapons would ruin the pvp scene even more. Sorry for the wall of text, but that's how I see some of the issues, right or wrong :P
@@BloodKaez I see your point. Destiny 1 in some cases, specifically raiding due to core system mechanics and the option of hard mode/ prestige versions of raids is harder. The raids in destiny 2 for the most part are more intuitive and build upon themselves better than the raids in D1 do. D2 is a more polished game with ~slightly~ more distinct roles for classes that lead to an easier time preparing and executing activities like raids. Your point about the original double primary system (which absolutely sucked) is 100% valid. The game due to these differences is ultimately easier in that aspect. I will say, the addition of Grandmaster Nightfalls back in (season 10?) Has been a nice return to the harder destiny experience. The return of VoG with the new destiny 2 changes, and increased difficulty will ultimately make it a better experience in my opinion. VoG being one of the favorite raids in Destiny, the development team is having to scale the raid differently, because as standing with how classes work and how the raiding system functions, the raid would be too easy if they just directly ported it. With the Sunsetting system now in place in D2, many of the previous weapons we would consider (overpowered) are now not viable for doing endgame content, effectively making the game a little harder. With the addition of new perks and exotics, we as a community have found ways around the power vacuum left by guns such as mountain top. With the current system however, and the extra ~class distinction~ it would be a challenge to make all activities at the same level of difficulty that Destiny 1 is. The only way I could see that happen, is by removing a leveling system altogether (besides season pass), and making the grind entirely about personal arsenal. Scale the enemy factions to do more damage and receive less, as we have actually seen this season with the engine update. Crucible in d2 is nothing compared to crucible in d1 because of the ttk on primaries and how they aren't "as relevant" in d2 pvp. In d1, you would rarely find apes as prevalent as you would in d2 simply because primary ttk is so much worse than in the previous game. The reason I highlight ~class distinction~ like so, is that neutral game classes are easier to distinguish than in d1, however, super game classes are harder to distinguish in d2 because most supers relatively do the same thing in d2 rather than having niche specific jobs like in d1, making the use of supers in d2 pvp almost like a game of pick your favorite color. We are in agreement on most of these topics I believe and I think that a look to the past idea might be a good solution to some problems, but a lot of improvements have been made between 1 -> 2. And we should definitely make sure those improvements stay.
@@sladedean8928 Yeah, I like your point of veiw on this. I think your absolutely correct that D2 made many great strides to improve, but basically lost some things along the way. If we could combine old with the new, D2 would be better for it. As for VoG, I'm concerned that the loot will be seen by many as "bleh". Obviously we'll know more in the future, but are they bringing back old fan favorites (both armor and weapons). If so? Like they were in D1, because Fatebringer/VoC/Atheon's will basically be ignored in favor of Reload/Damage perks. And if they make them random rolled, they lose what was special, but more likely to be used not many people really wants outlaw dragonfly in our current weapon meta :P
Man every datto puts out a thoughts video he somehow manages to perfectly encapsulate my thoughts on the pve side of the game. I’ve tried to describe how I’m feeling but he always says it better than ever
Probably a wasted comment typing this all out - considering its a UA-cam comment section and it's just my opinion, which is probably pretty niche, but here goes nothing... I once watched a stream about - the head developer (CEO?) spoke about how the game was designed to be extremely difficult and have too many options available to players in order to withhold a sense of longevity. The idea was that - if a player simply cant comprehend the options available to them - they must keep trying new combinations, ultimately discovering new techniques and playstyles for new events. This created a game where the content is extraordinarily repetitive, but loses no fun factor or power fantasy; people play the same story every season, and repeat the same maps as "endgame". Why is no love lost? Repeating the same content? Because the versatility and build depth, item depth, and min-maxing is almost technically endless (and sure feels legitimately endless). It never feels the same, it never feels repetitive, its always a chase or a discovery. When it's all said and done - you can say to yourself as you chew threw hordes of enemies. Maybe the enemies are the same, but your pathway was truly yours...or at least it felt it. The same was said about during development - it is intentionally hard to grasp...it's basically like learning another language. Forget trying to remember what every item does, or the combinations of items, or where to get them until you are hundreds and hundreds of hours into the game. Even considering that the MAIN story of the game is behind a very long playtime - with only a small % of players reaching it. This was designed to create variation in repetitive content. A mantra of "if you're going to do the same thing over and over, you may as well have fun doing it over and over". (which you've spoken about a lot). I'm assuming this rings true in other MMO RPG's like or , although I have not played either enough to make a comment. I think for most people, this doesn't effect them - but I have a sense with anyone who is feeling dry or burnt out on , like me, they also crave that depth and variation in a loot based RPG game. I'm personally glad that Destiny was a gateway drug for irrefutable and truly deep RPG/ARPG games - but I'm saddened that the problem feels obvious to me. Of course you have some variety - but it never feels , the customization has always been minimal, and purely gun based; "". Perhaps we're seeing hints of depth with the new Stasis artifacts, and things like Necrotic Thorn builds. However, they act as a nice page turners and time wasters but don't fully fulfill the power fantasy. It still doesn't feel like I think over time, unless true depth is added to Destiny (2) - the players that crave this will begin to fall away more and more. As you mentioned - they simply just wont come back again. I'm sure this is only a small part of the population - but repetitive content alongside a limited arsenal of both weapons and customization will drain the well. We need to inject OUR decision making as players into the game, with all of those decisions feeling valid and empowered. I, and perhaps other folks, want to watch a "build guide" that truly blows me away and shows something they never could have dreamed of being possible in this game. I want to use the thing I've created (look up the concept of Ikea) and use it to achieve something great. Not sure why I typed this out, maybe to find solace or peace with a conclusion of my time in Destiny. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts Datto.
I've generally been in this middle ground in terms of what a community wants with depth. The last time I have seen a focused call for depth was D2 launch. Since then the vocal community has been split on being for and against it especially when it means changing what is familiar to them and what play "their" way means.
@@evaangelofdeath my guess (based on player counts) is that bungie has it nailed with depth for allowing the highest base that still satiates players wanting some depth. My opinion, as mentioned is most likely very niche (when comparing warframe and poe numbers to d2)
Have the same issue. When I load up destiny after I finished playing the beyond light content, did a couple wrathborn hunts, got my hawkmoon, and now I just don't even care anymore. I could go on and do the pinnacles, but why? Do do the gm nightfall? But even then, what is the point of it if the goal is to just "get better" gear wise. I know Datto isn't in the club of, "D1 is better than D2", but personally, where D1 excelled was at making the base content not super easy. What I mean is strikes were harder, raids were hard outside of the first 24 hours, it just felt like there was more meaning, even when there wasn't.
I miss the black armory if they brought that back and did some sort of rework. Like master forges where it has a small raid/dungeon feel to it. For example each forge has its own mechanic system have like some champions in it as some “seasoning” and have the regular forges be like a way to prep for the master ones. A good loot system for master would be you being able to chose the perks you would want on a weapon like pick a set and it will roll you a random of the set. Same with the armor, but on armor pick 3 attributes you would like the highest and it will randomly choose 2 . This way you still have that rng without having it be too much rng especially with how sunsetting is. Each master forge can easily be tuned for play styles like one can be long range an other short and what have you so having different weapons and builds will kinda mean something. Idk man I just really miss the black armory.
Destiny is atm in a really bad state. I have no idea what Bungie are doing the entire days. There is no content in the game and the next dlc are reskinned old D1 content.....
Hopefully, Outriders ends up being good when it releases. Because an actual competitor for Destiny should light enough of a fire under Bungie to make them mix things up.
@@Lady_Amelia-Eloise Division 2 was good, but when they nerfed the Eagle Bearer from the raid, they lost myself, and so much more of their population, as they nerfed more things inside of that patch as well. Destiny is too easy. Division isn't TOO HARD, but they nerf anything the moment they realize it doesn't take enemies over 40+ bullets to kill. I haven't played Div 2 in about 2 months, but I just logged in recently and was like number 89 in the leaderboards. If I'm still in top 100, the population of the game is damned.
Hey Datto, just want to say thank you for the great content aka a massive voice for all of us. Have you ever thought about maybe now would be a good time to have a interview with someone in the studio. I will never leave the game as I’m in the same thoughts as you but for the majority of the player base they really just need to know what’s up and where is Destiny heading.
Also for me the game has become so much better after the separation from Activision. But as far as content or atleast purpose there needs to be a change. I’m sure the whole covid pandemic has put a massive halt on things. But it would be nice just to hear what’s happening.
Here's a thought for a change with leveling: why not have our level tie to what rewards we get in core activities like you reach level 45, you have a chance at getting ascendant golf balls or something like that.
Yes indeed. Europa looks cool, it has improved loot systems for the Lost Sectors which I appreciate, but ultimately it feels like the same old destination design we've been playing for the last six years. I was really hoping we'd see some new design choices, maybe a huge contiguous space instead of the old 'small zones connected by zig zag paths' model.
There has never been a game I love more than D2. The story and narrative is the only thing keeping me in it. Maybe be slow on content now but I am so freaking hopeful for the future.
When are we getting Datto's Thoughts on the Meaning of Life
This. This is what we need LULW
Still waiting for the Fallout Guillotine to be added as a weapon.
Ew fallout
I’m still waiting for that too
When star citizen finally comes out
It just feels like we’re given filler until another raid, then more filler. We need innovation big time
I honestly miss the sundial ngl
Totally agree, all I have to do is chase triumphs which a lot are bugged and I can't even obtain atm.😅
@@chunkyrabbit1032 agreed
@@krisdwii I mean it was the most fun activity of last year as well imo, vex offense was a bit fun too and great visually and soundwise but sundial beats it with everything. Seraph towers were fun for the first 3 events and got boring afterwards and contact was a little fun in the beginning.
Agreed
Video summary: We don't need more Destiny. We need BETTER Destiny
exactly. more destiny isn't enough!!! this game needs to evolve!
One of my big issues is it always feels like we're being told to "wait until next year" for things to get better, but then you realize next year never actually comes.
Like one of those signs “free tacos tomorrow”
Yup. Realized this back with the osiris dlc and never came back
Yup . It’s the Bungie way to bullshit you with hype and overpomise and then deliver you shot you already paid for 😂
I've been telling this for years. Bungie are master liars, for years talking about "bright future" in next DLC, and then more problems come, and they promise for the next DLC and over, and over, and over again. Somehow the game gets worse with each update.
Well, this didn't age all too well (thank god)
It feels like everyone is too invested to leave destiny and is just waiting for bungie to pull the plug.
i think it has to do more with that destiny's gameplay is solid, it's a good game to play, it's just not very good at giving us things to do and grind for. We want to play, we just need more of a good reason to do so.
@@ajgamez2728 same quit 2 days after the raid came out never felt better in my life. Always like these Datto videos tho
I quit before beyond light had enough of all the bs
@@RafikiSykes Saved yourself a lot of money tbh
I felt that way towards the end of Destiny 1 - had been playing fairly consistently with almost no content throughout the lifespan of the game, and after Destiny 2's disastrous launch I asked myself what it was that was keeping me playing. The answer? The friends I'd made. But we all felt the same - so rather than continue to smash our heads against the Destiny wall, we just left together and moved onto another game (WoW) which has an unfathomable amount of content by comparison and a much more rewarding sense of progression.
last video: "There's so much to do an none of it matters"
now: "There's less things to do and still none of it matters"
Sad but true
Whatever its true motivations were, sunsetting has effectively depreciated the value of all content in the game. A car that never breaks down is much more valuable than an otherwise identical car that breaks down after exactly one year (see Gnawing Hunger). By making all content in the game transient and temporary they've depreciated the benefit of grinding for gear, getting good with that gear, getting good at any given activity, etc. The impermanence of a raid means you might be motivated to get better at it faster to reap its benefits sooner, but those benefits don't last as long as before. In some sense we get the worst of both worlds: we have to rush more than before to get gear that won't last as long as before, i.e. work harder for less benefit. Bungie's eased the pain here and there by letting us target loot more easily with the new final raid chest design, the Hunt perk targeting system, etc, but sunsetting has created a new FOMO + 'what's the point' dynamic that I find very demotivating.
The point is, none of it matters!
destiny doesn't have much time left. so much money wasted on this shit since d1 smh
@@atomic_wait I can totally see where you are coming from and your argument was very sound, but your analogy about cars doesn't exactly make sense in this context. New cars come out every year, and more times than not they improve upon the previous design because of the innovation of technology. In destiny, however we get new weapons and armor all the time, but since we already had so many amazing unbeatable weapons, its hard for players to want to use anything else. Therefore, if you have amazing weapons, there is no motivation to get new ones and use new ones as you already have the best. Back when sunsetting was announced, I immediately dropped my mountaintop, put it in the vault, and picked up other weapons. You wanna know why? Because I felt it was necessary to become more skilled with other weapons because of how the meta was going to change, having a constant rotation of weapons creates an artificial motivation to get the newest gear and to use it, which is healthy for the game's meta. I do agree that sometimes I fall into a "What's the point" dynamic, but the ability to create new loadouts and buildcraft has been better than previously in destiny because of the idea of sunsetting. You know, before sunsetting was announced, I never used warmind mods. Never. I was so into using mountaintop and recluse or Gnawing Hunger that I didn't want to slap on my seventh seraph revolver or smg. With how the meta has changed, its broadened my buildcrafting views and let me explore other aspects of the game. Maybe my argument to you is pointless, but maybe it'll change the way you think about sunsetting, even just a little.
I don’t know why, but hearing Datto call Danielle his wife honestly made my day
Absolutely agreed, that's the real reason he made the video, so he could refer to Danielle as his wife
i still hesitate sometimes, realizing that, yes, somehow, i am married.
@@DattoDoesDestiny just got married as well and it boggles my mind when I say I am a husband or this is my wife etc etc
@@DattoDoesDestiny also just learning that you are married. Congrats man!
I came down here to mention the wife drop, glad someone else beat me to it.
"This ain't a charity" is probably the harshest but truest statement on the situation
I genuinely didn't hear that one and I'm losing my mind can someone give a timestampt for it please?
@@pcrassen4975 11:45
Grinding for the same weapons when they told us we wouldn’t grind for the exact same gun just for a later sunset lvl killed it for me. The trickle style content feels a lot like the droughts from D1. Except it was more engaging imo. Makes me sad waiting to see such potential in a game then realizing it just may never reach it. Have a great weekend everyone ✌🏾
@@lexmitchell4402 I respected their decision to remain in D2 at first, but the utter lack of innovation in the face of losing 75% of the game just shows me they should have taken the year or two break and started D3 from scratch.
Preach Datto! I think when we look back to D1 it's been 5 years now...To the people who've been here since the beginning it's time for major enhancements to the end-game among many other meaningless redundant content and pointless activities. Give us reasons to play your game beyond the casual level. Innovation needs to adhere and rise above the mediocrity that this game possesses at this current templating DLC story telling state...Whisper of the Worm is a great start for creating amazing experiences for procedurally generating quests, exploration and hardcore end-game experiences. This isn't charity ... Priceless!
I'm fine not having a Forsaken sized expansion, but I still want a Forsaken quality expansion.
Back then no one knew anything about the game. The problem people have is they are living in the past and expect a dlc where there will be a lot of mystery. Which just isn’t going to happen. Expectations are way to high and another problem is that there is a lot of content in the game but no one wants to do it because it is tedious. And if you look back at forsaken most of it was the dreaming city and nothings going to beat that. At the end of the day the problem with the dlc isn’t bungie but YOU
Dude, that’s the perfect way to say it.
@@lukesaunders2937 ngl thats plain facts
@@lukesaunders2937 hmmmmm nah it’s still definitely bungies fault for all of this shitty devs don’t know how to top a game they years ago cough cough *the end state of d1* which was destiny at its peak
@@Red-ev8ls I’d like to see you make a game as successful as destiny.
As a casual player, the constant armor changing in order to increase the artificial number only prevents me from even attempting buildcrafting. I have to be more focused on the number, make sure that all the armor lines up perfectly so sometimes it prevents me from thinking about builds...
yep. it was already tedious each time a new expansion came out in destiny 1 and vanilla destiny 2, but coming back now with all these prisms and shards and the only way to get them is the hardest endgame shit which all basically requires teammate shit? i just say "why bother" especially knowing even if i did bust my ass to get the perfectly rolled armor, if i level get a new piece that's more power in my next pinnacle drop, it'll cost me more of a precious resource to infuse it and then if i wanna masterwork it it'll be a whole nightmare and then 2 months from now i can't even bring it forward. it's "good enough" now i guess.
“This ain’t a charity” Holy shit dude you killed them
Aaah the Good ol thoughts guy back at it again
I've watched this video and he doesn't miss at all. Every point he makes I'm like "EXACTLY".
Destiny needs something really different to what they've done in the past, transmog is a sort of new thing for destiny but I feel like there needs to be more different stuff. For example I would really like a sort of gunsmith system were you're specifically able to choose between every available perk and available sight on a specific gun, like you go to banshee and basically customize your gun.
Or be able to upgrade a white, green and blue rarity weapon to purple for more perks and better stats.
@Hellfire LWD the content 1 was worthless and trash 2 slowwd the game down 3 was given out for free so it wasnt paid for
@Hellfire LWD umm. Lmao bro your whole statement is so contradicting it’s almost funny. Make d3 and start with a clean slate and don’t get rid of content from D2 we paid for and grinder etc. what I’m the actual F do you think D3 will do as a whole? Get rid of old content lol. Now yes I know you can always play D2 blah blah blah. But the point is. It’s the same difference in the end. D2 would be left behind along w all we paid for and grinded regardless of them removing content or not.
@Hellfire LWD the maps are still in the game first of all who plays strikes and forsaken and shadowkeep wont be sunset for awhile
@Hellfire LWD didnt lose any good maps filtering the bad out is good keep trying dumbass
Isn't it crazy it is already a post expansion lul?
MTASHED
Very weird indeed, what a "grind"
Sure as hell doesn't feel like it
That’s why we got genshin baby 😎
Yes The Tash Man is here
"there's so much to do, and none of it matters"
Well now there's nothing to do and nothing matters
"Are casual players happy with an endless leveling staircase?"
No, no we're not.
I am. Gives me something to work on.
@@IIcultivatorII for what?
dude casual players have trouble completing strikes. each level gives them an edge
@@Colakaktus because I enjoy it
@@IIcultivatorII you enjoy the endless repetition?
Spider: Get out of my lair!
New Step: Return to Spider.
Aaaah OK.
I was wonder thing that as well lol
Just to tell you to get out again. Also they couldn't even bother giving the Crow a new spot
Yeah and the Crow is still sitting there, in his lair
That was such a disappointment. I was also extremely disappointed that Crow just stays there. I'd absolutely love it if he relocated somewhere-say, his place in the EDZ, assuming a transmat point was added there-and if his voice lines were updated post-Spider. I love it when games let you have an impact and invest in and change things in the world. I'm usually pretty positive or else apathetic when it comes to Destiny 2 stuff. I was popping off when we freed the Crow, but this actually disappointed me.
@@colonelpopcorn7702 same here. Usually defend a lot of their choices because I see the potential behind some of it, but a lot of the choices they've made this season/expansion have been pretty whack.
"This isn't a charity" LITERAL FACTS. At the end of the day, this is a business. If we aren't getting our money's worth out of an expansion, why should we care about the game anymore.
Exactly. If they aren't entertaining us (their whole purpose as a game company), what point is there to spend time or money on it?
Perhaps it’s time to quit for a lot of people, including me. I’ve been pushed around too much by this game.
This is the reason, and I'm so glad Datto said it, because its legit a great summary to the big frustration with innovation. This community (including myself) for a very long time gave them pass, after pass, after pass. I was never part of the "Destiny is dying" crowd, but I have never seen this much of a pushback from the player base in a long time, if ever (as of recent memory). At some point, Destiny is gonna tank if nothing is done and more people leave the game.
This game has no competition sadly, which means there's little reason to innovate.
@@omolon_adaptive_frame3989 This is what concerns me most. Until someone shapes up and snatches the Destiny crown (which wouldn't be too difficult right now), Bungie has no reason to improve on their current model.
Stasis has just looked at destiny 2 and said, lets shatter dive this game
it’s so bad but still funny god damnit😂
this is such an underrated comment lol
@@distorted4378 thats the point, im training to get better dad jokes
if you wanna get rid of stasis then everyone who got it deserves their money back
I fear that with a darkness subclass coming this year and next year, it could make pvp worse is Bungie doesn’t figure out how to properly balance things.
"This ain't a charity, and the content that is put out needs to deliver."
This right here hits the nail on the head pretty well, we won't be getting anything Forsaken sized ever again, but for the love of god if we're gonna be doing wrathborn hunts for the entire season then make them matter. Make them difficult, make us have to use our builds to triumph, give us variety in the hunts than just the same 4 bosses on a refreshing loot table with us having to run through the same strikes we've been running since this game came out.
Give us less filler, give us more meaningful content.
The problem of the game is the casual players, the enjoy a infinite leveling loop without saying nothing. Is like "okay bungo, i got my seasonal cookie, give me another at the end of the season". If there's something just a little bit hard they make it easy as fuck, seriously do you remember the Escalation Protocol? They nerf the difficult because of the casual. Remember the Forges? Nerf. Rasputin public event? Nerf.
And what happend when there's something ridiculously easy? Nothing. The new raid is easy as fuck, the npc's dont give a dam if you are close to the them or you if are doing an emote xd.
Psdt: sorry for my english lul
@@JoMorem the nerf to escalation protocol was justified. I remember datto having trouble with it with high level guardians in a 9 MAN PARTY, when it was supposed to be completed with only 3. I do agree tho they need to do something about difficulty in this game. They need to change the gameplay fundamentally so that combat becomes more skill based than it currently is.
@@warrior1563 Having enemies actually land their shots would be a start. In most content the biggest danger is you doing something stupid, not enemies.
"Just existing isn't a good reason"
Laughs in Cosmodrome
Planet Titan has joined the chat
Well tbf the Cosmodrome does have a purpose, and that’s the New Light campaign. It does have pretty solid reason to be here, far more than planets like Nessus - ESPECIALLY since Leviathan is gone now
Cosmodrome is useless. All "story" missions that happened there could be done at any planet. At first I was excited to get back on Cosmodrome (nostalgia), but when I got back, I realised there is nothing to do! On next season bungie just return old strikes from destiny 1, maybe VOG, than we see 30 minutes of story and grind begins, grind for things that become useless in s next year...
Pretty much yeah
@Ghost_ Slaayer where?
Bungie: this is a step in the right direction.
Community: how many steps do you need to get to where you want?
Imo as long as they try to accomodate for everyone (Especially the vocal minority of reddit because a few posts with a few thousand upvotes in a game that's played by hundreds of thousands is def not a majority opinion), they will never get to where they want. There's a lot of people playing the game, with lots of ideas and desires for the game, and every time one of them yells enough, bungie complies. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing at times because there's been instances where it saved the game.
But when you try to please everyone, you end up disappointing everyone. At some point you have to choose what group to piss off and cut them as losses. And it should def not be the "just more destiny" crowd. Quality over quantity.
@@pcrassen4975 /r/DestinyTheGame has 2 million subscribers. They just recently passed that milestone. New users are discovering and engaging with that subreddit every day. It is still Reddit, but you should not dismiss them like they are worth nothing.
A lot of users simply vote instead of writing posts. People can make their sentiments known without them all having to post the same thread over and over. The reason why you are seeing this now is that people feel like Bungie is not listening to them at all, and the community managers are not paying attention.
Damn so so true how many times have we gotten the step in right direction speech it's like what fucking direction are you walking in cause it feels like we're stuck in a goddamn circle
@@pcrassen4975 could not of said it better like I just wrote destiny is not new it hasn't been for a very long time it is way past time they switched out of gobble up new player base mode and switched to just focusing on us hard-core players you know the ones who kept this game even talked about let alone alive all these years
@@ER12 as much as I agree that there should be more appreciation from Bungie for the long time players (why no Hero of the Red War title for those who actually did that campaign?)its not financially viable. Remember they just went back out on their own and D2 is their biggest source of income. They have to keep new players coming in to replace to hardcore players who have most things and will most likely spend less time playing this season than someone who just started and found their love for the game.
They are in a position where they have to listen to everyone. And if I needed a end game load out to do wrath or hunts I probably wouldn't have messed with them till a week or so ago. I dont play D2 for a challenging shooter all the time, raids and nightfalls sure, but id go play Escape from Tarkov if I was in the mood for a hard shooter game.
That video is 100% representative of how I feel about this franchise I love.
"I'm more excited about cosmetics in the pass than actually getting new stuff." Lmao.
This is really how i feel about the game. I was more excited for the new Warlock Hive Robe than the new weapons... Is pretty sad.
Lmfao that shit is so accurate
Isn't helped that all the season pass armour looks like shit.
Feels like *all* the good looking sets were sunset.
I know bungie isn't working with the same sized team...but fuck me
@@eevee9342 same here, still want a clean shiny ornament, but i don't xare for the other stuff
@@user-lv8dn8gw9z I actually think the warlock and hunter sets are some of the better armor sets in d2. The titan set is hideous though.
"I get more excited about unlocking cosmetics in the season pass" man that hit home. I feel sad now.
after i got all the raid gear and guns that's all i've logged back in for everynow and then
All I want is those cool warlock ornaments, but I don't even feel like playing so bye bye $10
@@TKVisme Image if the dawning reward was a choice from a selection of exotic and legendary ornaments? I'd be totally on board.
I play this game to look like a badass while getting mercied.
frees crow, angers spider.....end cut scene, crow back in spiders lair.
Yea that was really lazy and sort of just anti climatic in terms of story development. The mission was fun but I was sorely disappointed in the abrupt halt of progress.
@@deviousdoggo5534 after coup de grâce it doesn't really make sense to go on wrathborn hunts from a lore perspective. The high celebrant is dead so you shouldn't see more cryptolyths.
Crow being there is because you are "reliving" past missions, just like you can keep running strikes for bosses you have killed countless times.
I assume we won't see Crow there next season.
@@f.p.5410 Should be. Crow should reside somewhere in the tower. And please NOT Cayde's spot. That is heresy.
Maybe the Crow's Nest near The Reservoir area in the EDZ. We found his bedroom there, right?
@@kiidan speaking of heresy did you see that during the dawning event they covered the colonel under a pile of snow? I spent 20 minutes using the sweeping emote when I saw it lol.
If they can't put out forsaken sized content they shouldn't be charging forsaken sized prices
100% not only did they do that but they cut out season content of the dlc price so you had to pay 50 bucks for what should honestly be max 25 bucks at fucking max.
I don't think the amount of content was that much different. But forsaken shouldn't have costed that much anyway.
(edit) I stand corrected. I guess I didn't realize that all that stuff was added just for that dlc. I didn't really start playing till shadow keep.
@@aaronwright6891 you serious ?
Counterpoint: If they want to make forsaken-sized content, they need to hire new people, and that's really expensive.
@@aaronwright6891 you must be high
Have we really progressed from "there's so much to do and none of it matters"? Yes, we have! We've come to the point where there's not much to do and none of it matters.
lol
At this point, I’m only playing D2 for power grinding, getting to season pass rank 100, and playing whatever missions the season has (like Hawkmoon missions, the recent last Wrathborn Hunt).
isn't that... just playing the game?
@@gavincordon4026 that's ecxactly the issue. none of what we do actually matters
@@aidanshaw4890 it's sad but it's true
@@aidanshaw4890 at the end of the day, playing video games doesn’t matter 😂 but we play them because we enjoy them.
I got my pass finished haven't really touched it since, so I feel that
I’ve drifted away from Destiny and honestly, I couldn’t be happier with my gaming life.
Finally I can have fun playing games again.
Sorry I wasn’t enough
Underrated comment
what? oh.. ohh i see
10000% agree. I'm just sick of "more Destiny", especially when theres even less of that more Destiny now.
Datto giving Bungie the constructive criticism we all couldn't word any better 🙌
you think they’re gonna care? they’re going to milk this game until the new IP comes in, and drop D2 as hard as they dropped D1
@@NobleVI_343 I didn't mention anything about whether Bungie would care or not, only that I appreciate how well Datto explains things 🙂
@@Tropicalbat Yeah, we all appreciate how well he can summarize how most of us are feeling, but it's unfortunate nearly nothing has changed since last time he did it.
Bungie is a basic shitshow right now
I just downloaded the expansions because they were free. Havent played destiny 2 in over a year. Its still exactly the same, except now you are stuck in stasis the entire time you play pvp.
Less stuff to do and none of it matters. Huge step backwards.
Been a casual solo for years. Sunsetting has me moving on.
Gonna repeat what I said last time:
I'm in the condition that I actually miss Season of Dawn core loop: Sundial was fun, you could try your loadouts and still farm really cool weapons (Patron of lost causes, Martyr, Steelfeather, Breachlight)
Not first
Not last
but when I see a stasis hunter...
*I run away fast...*
Stasis hunter protecc
Stasis hunter atacc
But most importantly
Stasis hunter shatter dive you behind your bacc
This shit is poetry
SMASH MODE ENGAGED!!!!
I took a break from the game I ended up being one of the people without felwinters
Same, I just started playing again after a 2 year break
Dustin Sterling me too. And now it’s the only weapon I see in the crucible
It was a terrible season, but some really cool things dropped during that season: Felwinter's and all the charged with light and warmind mods. Sigh. FOMO at it's best.
@@henram36 you can still get the tho. Check Banshee every day he might sell some of them. I did got some mods of him from previous seasons.
felwinter is the peak of ttv noob guns. seriously.
All of this talk reminds me of the classic existential question: “why am I pursuing money?” People will practically dedicate their lives to making money; people will make money to make more money. Once they’ve made enough to ensure a stable life and continue to pursue money, there comes to a point where they look back and ask why? What was this all for? There are many takes on this, but in my opinion the value was never in the money, the value was in how you spent your time.
How this equate to destiny, we are basically the rich man with an existential crisis right now. We have all the powerful loot we could ever possibly need. Bungie can keep rolling out more loot every season so players can pursue it, but a month or two in players are left asking what is this all for? I wish there was more content in the game that was fun to do. I feel like taking crucible playlists out was a terrible idea. I feel like leaving the strike playlist as it’s been for the past 6 years is a terrible idea. I feel like taking activities like the menagerie (I personally enjoyed playing it) was one of the worst ideas they’ve had. Make these activities fun. Personally I feel like a hoard mode would really satisfy many players. I don’t get on destiny to pursue more loot at this point, I want to get on to have fun.
I agree on everything except the horde mode. I feel like people don't understand how monotonous that would get, especially since we've already had 10+ variations of a destiny horde mode. I don't want to be put on another mob-farm treadmill, I want destiny gameplay to evolve to a point of actual difficulty.
@@milzhere I think how they execute it is crucial. A hoard mode similar to zombies where every level it gets increasingly difficult to the point where it’s impossible to complete. Make it so that after a certain number of levels there is a reward that’s worthwhile, increasing in rarity/value/quantity. This would be a good place to farm loot for casual players, and a good challenge for those who who want to break records. It would give reason to use the insanely powerful builds we have. I feel like I’m all of the attempted hoard modes Bungie has done, they’ve only taken half measures, too afraid to go all in.
@@peter2kx I loved zombies, and while that sounds fun on its face, i can't help but think about after 3-6 months of that, when it'll be abandoned/monotonous. Since bungie doesn't update existing content frequently, they'd probably just recreate it in a slightly different way every 6-12 months and it would be in the exact same place the core playlists are now, until they abandon it as well. I'm clamoring for a place to use builds as much as you, but this concept just doesn't address any of the issues with the core game. I don't think going "all in" on a mindless killfest will make players feel more rewarded for the time sink that is Destiny.
@@milzhere i agree. once it gets to the point of difficulty such as GM nightfalls, then youre just getting annoyed. one tapped because of artificial difficulty (looking at you, aptly named Chamber of Suffering in the Pit of Heresy) just sucks
@@milzhere then bungie should update shit they need to stop adding new things that’ll go in like a year and update stuff that will always stay like strikes, crucible, and gambit then they can maybe add new things
"Bungie wouldn't want a planet to just... exist."
*the moon straight up just existing*
Moon isn't a planet
@@benni8790 this explains EVERYTHING. Damnit bungie the moon deserves equal rights
Lul
@@benni8790 Pluto felt that
Every destination not named Europa felt that comment, Nessus perhaps harder than the rest.
"There's so much to do and none of it really matters" Story of my life as a new Destiny player. I picked up all 3 expansion packs and my homie has been helping me grind through the game and it's crazy how much I hear him say "Yeah, this stuff you're getting doesn't matter, it's sunsetted"
It boggles my mind that in this situation they removed momentum comtrol..
The only pvp "shake up" you could get in destiny, and it's gone..
I want rift back
I can't believe this game came out in 2014 and we still don't have a transmog.
Not really a valid complaint anymore since its coming next season.
@@ShadowNova300 Sure, but it should already have been in the game.
'developing a game is hard work and we lack the tools to do our job' - someone at bungie circa 2016 during an investor meeting regarding why content was lacking in both quantity and quality.
@@ShadowNova300 The game came out 6 and a half years ago and people have been asking for transmog since day one - myself included. It's a basic quality of life update. This should have been a top priority from the start. I'm sure Bungie had some self-serving reason for not including it but who cares. I stopped playing years ago and check dattos content hoping they release something significant instead of adding to the pile as Datto says. I don't know where they go from here because I don't think Bungie will ever have the resources to produce the game we were all hoping destiny would be. Destiny 2 is basically locked in its own stasis and seems like its going to be that way forever.
@@ShadowNova300 it is, and the fact they’re making it “In game currency OR silver” only is bullshit cause the IGC will probably be tied to raids. Should just be glimmer like Diablo but Bungie HAS to monetize every single part of this game now.
Destiny NEEDS an endless horde mode that doesn't have artificial difficulty like contest mode to actually be able to use builds.
We used to have escalation protocol which was pretty close, and now we have what's on the moon which is similar to that, but I like your idea better
Endless horde, six players, activity ends once everyone's dead, loot is determined by time tiers through either longest surviving team member or each player's time of death. As time goes on, you look at a shank wrong and you die. Add time limits for people to survive or opt to go endless. E: Of course, thinking of ways to push the game forward beyond damage/density increases and puzzles while keeping it fun takes time and knowhow I don't have.
What kind of difficulty would you want to see then besides the activity's enemies just being tougher? Because that's essentially what contest mode is.
That would be fun!
What's your idea of "non-artificial difficulty" besides tweaking the rate at which we deal and take damage? Like Datto mentioned, most enemies in the game aren't really a threat for most content. So do we just need more enemies? They honestly aren't that big of a challenge with today's builds that feed off of multikills. Do we need more special units? People complain endlessly about snipers, champions, etc. already. Do we need more mechanics? I actually agree on this front but it's clear that making pug-friendly mechanics is a very delicate tightrope between "inconsequential" and "people are rage-quitting this activity because of randos". I've seen all of these things and more also described as "artificial" difficulty, to the point where I don't think that word really means anything anymore beyond "I don't like this".
Like yes making enemies higher level isn't exciting on its own, but it does at least force us to actually engage with the systems for increasing our damage and survivability, and to play in a more careful/considered way instead of just speedrunning everything.
Why would I spend dozens of hours grinding for something with an expiration date
That's like asking why buy a car or a computer irl. You know those things won't last forever but you enjoy them while you can.
What you typed in was my exact...EXACT words to my friends everytime I get on Disney 2
@@myhandlewastaken I wouldn't say it's the same, necessarily. A car or computer can still be used for all its original functions long after newer models come out that do it better. Using the same analogy, sunset gear is like a car that you can only drive around the neighborhood but not to restaurants or workplaces, or a computer you can use to play games but not browse the internet.
@@funpinkgnome Thank you for putting things into perspective for them. That was a great example.
Exactly why I settle for just “good” weapon rolls.
"Same Mission, Different Place"
"Uhhhh. Lemme Guess, Destiny?"
"YES"
Bungie: We're listening to all your feedback, trust us.
Community: Doubt.
except the communities feedback is trash and irrational. datto is pretty much the only person giving rational feedback right now
@@iamcreamingbecause1061 yup, the only one.
Bungie is like that friend that keeps asking for money to start his business but keeps failing, but keeps asking again and again and you keep giving because you wanna give him one more shot.
@@iamcreamingbecause1061 true
@@iamcreamingbecause1061 dattos thoughts rn r exactly how I feel about the game I do hope bungie realizes the core problems with the game and make it go through an evolution to make it the game everyone wants
"We've heard your feedback and we shall continue to make eververse better. Season 13 will also see the removal of crucible since ya'll complaint so much" - Bungie, probably.
With these poopy changes to gambit they can take it too
Sometimes I ponder, I look deeply out window with the most challenging questions to myself, and I think to myself," Does Datto really do, destiny?"
I'll be honest, I just want a lightweight sword that I can get the roll I had on my Goldtusk to exist beyond 1060 because lightweight swords literally just died in Beyond Light
Aggressive died too. Pour one out for class specific swords
@@HRThomas99 honestly, based on the aesthetics, i thought that the raid legendary sword might've been a lightweight before I realized it wasn't
The one big thing I like about Europa is the weather system, though it doesn’t build up to the hype I feel like Bungie tried to make about it. It would be nice to see other planets get their own weather systems and maybe build events around that.
Like the Exo training where we have to run to the fires to stay warm while taking on Vex. But add a leaderboard and goal to complete them in, if you’re able to beat the goal score or time wise you get something nice, preferably armor or mod wise related to the event you just completed.
Heck it’d be amazing if we somehow got a mini forge mode and can create variants of pvp maps or missions. Create some awards for those people like “have 100 people play on your map/mode”. We’ll at least have more content while Bungie cooks up the story and larger scale missions and raids.
I know people, myself included sometimes compare Destiny to Halo but I think community wise there’d be some benefits from it
I’m so tired, I’m so thankful it’s Friday, class is dragging rn. I feel for everyone remotely doing class. I support you all. We will get through it
Mate I’ve done my whole education through online learning so far and am doing a levels then Uni where I have no lessons or teacher, all I have is books and the internet you’re not doing that bad.
@@Mectrex dude chill, The main reason it sucks is the pressure of being on calls ALL day. And the teachers over giving work
@@casual8661 I am a cheating because I have no other choice. Not sure what to do.
Luckily I had a half day
Same man first week back from winter break and I'm already stressed out
The game will settle for mediocrity if that’s what makes the devs comfortable.
It seems the fan base will too lmao
Compaint you ain’t wrong lmao
It's not the devs. It's the suits. The game makes money. Why would they dump more money into it when it won't greatly increase profit?
@@aaronwright6891 It's what we expect from a company that was driven for years on raw passion for gaming and storytelling. Sadly, it seems that version of Bungie is truly dead.
Mace Windu it’s both. The devs have mentioned how keeping to the older way of doing things was too taxing on them.
I’m really not hopeful for destiny’s future. Been back for a year at this point and it seems like my time was best spent other places
I was more optimistic going into AND coming out of Shadowkeep than I am now.
it'll probably still be here, casual money is greater than others
Beyond Light wasn’t more Destiny, it was less of it.
no, casual players aren't happy. we're playing other games mostly.
Beyond Light wasnt even more Destiny. It was literally less Destiny
We paid for 40% less content
Beyond Light = New Season Plus
We were all mispronuncing it, its not Beyond Light, its Beyond Lite.
Hearing Datto refer to “his wife” was really weird for a second, and then I was like: “OH YEAH THEYRE MARRIED!”
Happy for ya Datto!
She'll divorce him in 5 years
Her Onlyfans is lit tho 🔥
@@deusvultpictures6550 I give it 4. Plus cheating on him with someone who doesn't cross dress and is actually stronger than her.
Leaderboards, prestige ornaments and titles for core activities I feel like would bring some life back to it.
Totally agree, but core activities technically already have titles ie: conqueror, unbroken, dregen. Maybe if there was a kind of prestige title, such as one for having conqueror, unbroken, and dregen, or a title given for having all concurrent raid titles.
Titles are lame and worthless imo. Purple text for completing x strikes will not bring life back to the game lol.
@@Closer1404 the reason for the acquisition of titles is that it gives a Reason to what you are doing, a goal to work towards that won't be pointless in a few months like all the other pursuits in the game
Bungie removing content that I paid for and putting in a "content vault" and then replacing it with paid dlc was the last straw.
Congrats on getting married!! It’s awesome to see you loving life, I remember watching your leaving LA vid hoping everything worked out and it’s amazing to see where you are now!! It’s inspirational! ❤️
Imagine if Season of the Hunt was released as a standalone season after/without Beyond Light content to fallback on lmao
The community would be livid
Imagine if undying released as a standalone season after Shadowkeep.
Literally just Vex Offensive and that's it with no way to choose your rewards.
"If the core activities are not engaging..."
BIG OOF
The season released with the dlc drop is pretty much always weak tho
I want the game to be hard. And not in “I just got one banged by a gm vandal” kinda way. I want the game hard like hm crota was in db. Like skolas was in house of wolves. I miss that game. Well and these passive ads make the game so pathetic it just sucks.
I know what you mean. Stuff like halo and doom eternal have difficulty levels that actually scale and you have to be more skillful, whereas destiny feels like it goes from really easy to just super frustrating with nothing in between.
House of wolves was amazing..i do miss that
@@devocleb This is the real problem with the game's difficulty IMO. Part of the fun of Halo or Doom is that if you're skilled enough you can dodge and weave around every enemy attack. Destiny's combat is designed in a similar way but somehow it just doesn't seem to work as well. I can dodge a few projectiles, sure, I can disarm dreg grenades by shooting them, but it feels like there isn't any counterplay most of the time. Enemies are way too quick to spam ridiculous shots with perfect aim that knock out your entire shield. One dreg grenade is easy enough to destroy but dregs almost always come in packs of 3 or more. Even with good aim, you're fighting a losing battle against dreg grenades when trying to recover shields. All the tools to make good encounters are there, but the enemies just don't stick around long enough to make any of that feel meaningful.
@@Localgoast Halo felt good because it took skill to play. An elite could easily kill you, they did easily kill you and they continued to do so until you learnt to fight back. Jumping, dodging, weaving, shooting, punching, after a while you became the super-soldier you were playing as. Destiny isn't about skill, it's a numbers game. "Gee willikers guardian, looks like your light level is only *1049* but this strike requires a light level of *1050* " you grind a bit, get a new pair of boots or whatever and suddenly you're 1060. Guess what? You just obliterated every enemy without breaking a sweat. PvP is pay to win, simple as that. I'm not dying because a skilled player fought me in fair combat and ended my ass, i'm dying because some random muppet turned my into a popsicle. That aside, can anybody explain to me why armor was sunset? I can understand the weapons since it mixes up the meta but what does armor have to do with it? Is my fashion too powerful for this game to handle?
A good way to put it is that Destiny 2 is like having a kind, beautiful girlfriend/boyfriend who has a habit of making the worst possible decisions. Why are you doing this to themself? Why can't they just do the right thing once in a while? It feels hopeless as you're trying to decipher their actions.
@@bl0rt0 hm crota was hard because you were underleveled. I had over 100 clears of it and rarely saw glitches. I’ve seen more glitches in d2 raids than I potentially ever saw in d1 other than aksis
I honestly believe bungie has moved on itself to something new. It is only keeping the game alive for the superfans. I don't see a huge change in the way destiny does anything. This is it for it.
They are keeping the cash cow fed so they can support new IP development
Yep, this is what everyone needs to realize including youtubers, it is clearly the plan, they will continue to lead us on with, "next fall expansion will be better," but we all know it wont....
They’re keeping the game alive to keep themselves meaningfully employed and to fund their current/future projects. They care a token amount about their fans.
I feel like a horde mode could be so cool. Like that could be a true power test and so fun if they did it right
I have always wanted a horde mode but in area like the roman Colosseum. Maybe the set in the Awoken home with the prisons of elders prisoners get sent into the colosseum for us to slaughter, while the Awoken cheer us on.
The biggest update Destiny needs is just to replace Luke Smith.
I mean, a lot of ppl blame Luke, but forget there's also many others who decide how things go.
I imagine he only has so much staff/resources/control. Bungies board and Netease are likely starting to move a lot of resources to the new IP, like Chris Barrett who left for Matter. Even the heads of Bungo have been working on non-destiny stuff.
It's clear Bungo in general are just milking Destiny players. No different than a mobile game, get it to a point, and then put it in low maintenance mode and make as much cash as possible.
@@GbHaseo I wouldn't say they are "bailing" on Destiny. If they were we wouldn't be getting two more expansions, for good or ill. I would imagine that Bungie wants to be a more than one game studio however, seeing as they have been working on the series almost exclusively for the better part of 8-10 years. They seem like a company that gets "bored" for what it's worth. Halo was a money printing series and they were either finished telling that story, or were just tired of it. If they can do work on both IP's, great, but I wouldn't be surprised if Lightfall was the end.
@@GbHaseo Nah he should have been relieved of his duties for even brining up the idea of removing certain subclasses
@@themartyguy Ahhhh, then he should've fired the ppl who over ruled him on double primaries, or any of the other decisions he disliked, but they went ahead with?
Bungie runs by committee, its likely the idea wasn't even his, but pushed by ppl on the balancing and marketing teams. Game directors are often not responsible for decisions of the teams.
The teams come up with their ideas, and what they wanna do. Game studios are full of ego, politics, and drama. He's basically a PR head, and manager between the devs and the execs.
It’s so baffling how much bungie improved on and perfected the endgame experience back in destiny 1 with strikes, raids and crucible just to completely throw it away and never make anything as good.
??????? tf are you talking about. it's the same as then
What they are doing now and focusing on D2 should've happened it D1. I think the last summer event when they updated all the raids and updated armor and weapons was the perfect. Obviously there are some quality of life changes in D2 that are better cause of the engine like the whole orbit thing but I'm sure they could've updated that on D1 if they focused on it and updated with the new hardware released. It feels a little too late now unless they make massive changes before Witch Queen but I doubt that by seeing how Beyond Light and this season were handled. Beyond Light by itself is pretty good but since its an expansion and nothing added to crucible, vanguard, and gambit(minor changes but again not enough) it really showed the barebone of everything else. I had issues in Shadowkeep with the lack of vendor refresh but with the launch of Beyond Light it really showed. Also the loot pool is extremely boring and nothing feels unique and it's more infuriating when you look at old weapon models THAT ARENT EVEN USED! WHERE ARE THE OMOLON PULSES, SUROS SNIPERS, VEIST SIDEARMS, AND MORE. Like seriously its not that hard, slap cruciblelike skin on an omolon pulse and boom a weapon there. I defend bungie alot and stasis isn't that bad the REAL issue is the core of the game and what keeps people playing and none of that was introduced in Beyond Light or this Season.
@@iamcreamingbecause1061 bro wdym. Age of Triumph was the best destiny’s ever been in terms of endgame content. Strike specific loot which never came back, 4 raids to play and an actual REASON to play them every week, strike scoring, trials felt rewarding for any player no matter PvP skill level, IB was actually rewarding, etc.
@@fort809 strike specific loot sucks ass. Id rather play a variety of strikes to get something instead of the same level on repeat until I want to kill myself.
@@fort809 I never understood why y’all like strike scoring? How was that even fun lmao but I can’t disagree with the rest with what you said, somewhat.
Does anyone realize how good datto is at like speaking or like expressing his thoughts, I don’t understand a lot of people when they do these type of videos but datto is so good at getting his point across or making a good point.
Overall he is great with actionable things and the feelings behind them. This one was a bit lacking in besides the make enemies harder part and saying there needs to be more than just content. I could read into his previous comments and say bring more long focused grinds similar to Forsaken that rewards players like him but it sounds both like there is more to that as much as there is to him not knowing.
The devs need to hear this
This was it, this was the video from a Destiny content creator that is the closest to my feeling towards Destiny now, Datto if you see this comment, I personally wanna thank you for accurately summing up the issue that a lot of people have been having. Thank you sir, I wish both you and your wife (shes super funny) a very good 2021.
Finally the rolls I want on a gun.
Bungie: ok were sunsetting all this.
It’s not that we need MORE Destiny, we need a BETTER Destiny where the incentive to play is better and rewarding that isn’t a very long grind but long enough.
Obviously newer stuff like new strikes and maps for crucible/gambit is also good, but if there is no good reason to play, why play at all.
The thing is that the most replayable activity, namely PvP, is thrown to the side and the community is ignored about it
In a primarily PvE game, if PvP is the most replayable activity, the game has a huge problem. You can't just chill and play Destiny. The game is so fucking easy you can walk through most of the content using nothing but a primary. Want a challenge? Spend your time LFGing for a team to do Master / Grandmaster strikes, literally the only challenging PvE content in the game since every single raid is a fat joke. Such a waste.
The main issue is that Bungie wants to take 10 years to tell a 3-4 year story
I mean a lot could happen in those years so I don’t think it is a bad thing and they could tell a story in a few years and release an expension maybe 1 or 2 or some years later and tell other stories.
The story they want to tell you could effectively tell in on 15-20hr campaign
Big query: What counts as innovation vs more? I tried thinking of 'innovating strikes' for the last few days and nothing I myself can think up is not gimmicky.
Optional Challenges for loot?: What really can you add that doesnt tire folk.
We already have randomised enemy types.
And the new vex enemies confounded people.... for 0.0000000001 second.
Without turning it into an MMO (with crafting etc) there's not a lot they can do. One suggestion though would be to include new Iron Banner armor & weapons .. It's been years since anything decent has come from that (besides a recolor or old re-purposed sets)
There is nothing they can do without a TTK level overhaul of the game's systems. The levelling system in particular is the largest problem that the game has - being able to get to max power by doing essentially nothing, and requiring max power for essentially nothing, mean that the game has no worthy long term pursuits beyond the cosmetic (mostly just titles).
For the Conqueror title i wish they would change it to be like "Conqueror Of Season ##" At least that way it gives it a small reason to replay it.
It's been 6 years. People just need to accept the fact that Destiny will always be a good game, but will never be a great game.
the this is tho: bungie has proved to have the skill it takes to revitalize a dead game making it great from its lowest points, it's happened with the taken king first, with d1 y3 as well and forsaken literally saved a dead game. Since Shadowkeep was pretty bad and the game had been stale for a year many people expected beyond light to deliver what forsaken did b4 and when they released a slightly better Shadowkeep the disappointment was much bigger, cause ffs it's 40 euros: I could buy ff14 new expansion and enjoy a lot more content for the same bucks and I wouldn't have to sit through appalling storywriting (lore is awesome but campaign really isn't and beyond light one was probably even worse than vanilla's one)
Destiny WAS a great game if not the best of its time but now it’s a “good” game but it’s not going in the good direction beyond light was a huge disappointment things that need nerfs don’t get it but buffed more things that need buffs don’t get buffs get just more nerfs I also thing they have made horrible mistakes in beyond light getting rid of in my opinion hood raids like scourge I mean forsaken was the last amazing campaign that actually saved destiny from its death shadow keep was eh the side quests were good the story not so much and beyond light I hate when I beat a expansion hyped up so much in just simply 2 days I love destiny and always will but holy fuck it’s killing itself and us as it’s veteran players
Its really never even been “good” just painfully average. The thing that makes it what it is is playing with friends
@@xalem9922 Forsaken was the product of them being backed by Activision . No they claim that they can no longer produce much armors or weapons or core content. But they were sure able to do it in D1 (weapons and armor wise) so I'm not really sure what their logic is there
@@geezusotl4021 ye exactly and while there sure are some good reasons for both shadowkeep and bl being lackluster, I’d rather they got rid of the season system and actually do 2 good chunks of content release per year, but those were actually good or offered some degree of replayability
"Destiny will be good when so and so comes out" every content creator every season.
Well, Datto always said he'd see how Destiny is going when the season drops. Excited, but not too hyped with any huge expectations. The OTHER creators were actually hyping Beyond Light and saying how there'd be so much content coming out.
@@jalen40k45 he literally in this video said "destiny should be good in season 14 when VOG comes out" it's the same thing every year. These creators just won't open up and admit this game is BAD and Luke Smith is actively trying to kill the franchise.
@@matthewschurbert2244 You're wrong, actually. He said "The peak of Destiny should be season 14" assuming VoG drops in that season. He didn't say he was excited for it, or that Destiny will be GOOD. And what he said is true. VoG is going to be the peak of this year of Destiny. Peak meaning the high point.Whether Destiny is going to be good when VoG drops, we don't know. But don't go around putting quotation marks on things that haven't been stated.
@@jalen40k45 boohoo I used one wrong word. It doesn't take away the fact that EVERY content creator has the same mind set of waiting until something comes out later for a peak", or whatever you wana call it, it's been the same old song and dance for years now and until people like Datto who have such a huge voice in the community stop letting bungie mess around like this and playing the "oh guys I know our games dry now, were listening but just wait until this" is garbage. All of them said the same crap before beyond light came out and look at us now.
My thoughts? Destiny, as an IP, doesn't really "MATTER" to Bungie. At least, not like it used to. I think there goal is, "Get to 'Lightfall,' finish this story up, and 'finish' that ten year plan."
And don't forget, milk as much cash out of the loyal fanbase as posible.
Bungie needs:
Hard Mode raid with ornaments
Weekly rotator legacy raid and dungeon for pinnacle or 60+ stat armor
Unsunset Forsaken and Shadowkeep
GM NF ornaments and specific guns
Strike scoring and speedrun leaderboards
Actual new crucible maps on Europa
Gambit maps
Have you got some suggestions for bungie, I’d love to see what “dattos destiny” would play like. I think you streamers and content creators to get together and brainstorm what fixes/ improvements/ innovations you guys would do.
Whoa, last time I was this early we were still using double primaries
Anyone remember when the enemies were a higher level than the player, even when the player was capped..... Prepridge Farms remembers . Seriously, if Bungie wants to challenge players, THIS would be a great first step. Also, maybe we don't need so many buffs/debuffs in D2. Champions are "fine" but honestly really just annoying monsters and it forces players to use specific weapons over freedom of weapon choices.
For strikes, I think we need to look backwards to go forwards. You know what I enjoyed about grinding strikes in D1, hunting for cool weapons and cosmetic armors (this wouldn't solve anything major, but would bring more people into the playlist). Do the same for crucible, though they sorta did this with Stars in Shadow, but I would like MULTIPLE NEW crucible armor/weapons to hunt for. Maybe even new game modes.... I LIKED rift, it had problems, but I still liked it.
Nightfalls are okay the way they are I guess, though I used to love doing Nightfalls in D1 because they were a challenge (in some cases cheesable, I'm looking at you Icebreaker). It forced you to play well, if your team (or you if you solo'd it) wiped, that's it. Go to start. I just don't have an incentive to care about NF's in D2.
Raids, Hard Mode (for one). For the same reason as NF's. Hard Mode and being unable to revive mattered in D1, it forced you and your team to know the mechanics and play well. Not being able to revive also allowed for some "Hero Moments". I just feel like we lost too much for "casual play"
I mean... raids now have revive tokens, so its just a mix of normal and hard mode?
@@sladedean8928 Revive tokens are great for normal, I see your point. But D1 Hard Mode was literally "You died, welp you either succeed with 5 or less or wipe". I get Bungie didn't like some groups only wiping as point to try again, and it made encounters artificially longer in some groups. But it FELT better to finally succeed when you failed a few (or a lot) of attempts before.
Take DSC for example, outside of a few factors like rubberbanding hp on Atraks or some other glitchy behavior there is literally no challenge to DSC (and a couple of the "challenge modes" of DSC actually just slow the encounter down ...). Original VoG or King's Fall or WotM had actual points you could fail because of enemy damage, enemy positioning, mechanics (even glitchy ones like Aegis in VoG). I MIGHT have some rose tinited goggles about D1 but you can't tell me it was technically a harder game, even with weapons like Ghorn and Icebreaker.
I also forgot to mention a couple things in my original post. First, we are still paying for the sins of the double primary system. Adept weapons in D1 were a pvp specific way to get elemental primaries outside of raiding (well... until TTK). In addition to some of these guns being exceptional pvp weapons and okayish pve weapons they were something to hunt for. In D2, the main reason "adept" weapons aren't anything to write home about is that elemental primaries are just not that important in D2.
Also, lets say adept weapons had extra perks IN addition to the normal perks and mod slot. Well then they are strictly better than ANY gun you could get because Bungie just power creeped the hell out of those guns. Guns that probably 95% of the player base couldn't even obtain. And yeah we're getting adept weapons next seasons from other sources, but those ToO adept weapons would ruin the pvp scene even more.
Sorry for the wall of text, but that's how I see some of the issues, right or wrong :P
@@BloodKaez I see your point. Destiny 1 in some cases, specifically raiding due to core system mechanics and the option of hard mode/ prestige versions of raids is harder. The raids in destiny 2 for the most part are more intuitive and build upon themselves better than the raids in D1 do. D2 is a more polished game with ~slightly~ more distinct roles for classes that lead to an easier time preparing and executing activities like raids. Your point about the original double primary system (which absolutely sucked) is 100% valid. The game due to these differences is ultimately easier in that aspect. I will say, the addition of Grandmaster Nightfalls back in (season 10?) Has been a nice return to the harder destiny experience. The return of VoG with the new destiny 2 changes, and increased difficulty will ultimately make it a better experience in my opinion. VoG being one of the favorite raids in Destiny, the development team is having to scale the raid differently, because as standing with how classes work and how the raiding system functions, the raid would be too easy if they just directly ported it. With the Sunsetting system now in place in D2, many of the previous weapons we would consider (overpowered) are now not viable for doing endgame content, effectively making the game a little harder. With the addition of new perks and exotics, we as a community have found ways around the power vacuum left by guns such as mountain top. With the current system however, and the extra ~class distinction~ it would be a challenge to make all activities at the same level of difficulty that Destiny 1 is. The only way I could see that happen, is by removing a leveling system altogether (besides season pass), and making the grind entirely about personal arsenal. Scale the enemy factions to do more damage and receive less, as we have actually seen this season with the engine update. Crucible in d2 is nothing compared to crucible in d1 because of the ttk on primaries and how they aren't "as relevant" in d2 pvp. In d1, you would rarely find apes as prevalent as you would in d2 simply because primary ttk is so much worse than in the previous game. The reason I highlight ~class distinction~ like so, is that neutral game classes are easier to distinguish than in d1, however, super game classes are harder to distinguish in d2 because most supers relatively do the same thing in d2 rather than having niche specific jobs like in d1, making the use of supers in d2 pvp almost like a game of pick your favorite color. We are in agreement on most of these topics I believe and I think that a look to the past idea might be a good solution to some problems, but a lot of improvements have been made between 1 -> 2. And we should definitely make sure those improvements stay.
@@sladedean8928 Yeah, I like your point of veiw on this. I think your absolutely correct that D2 made many great strides to improve, but basically lost some things along the way. If we could combine old with the new, D2 would be better for it.
As for VoG, I'm concerned that the loot will be seen by many as "bleh". Obviously we'll know more in the future, but are they bringing back old fan favorites (both armor and weapons). If so? Like they were in D1, because Fatebringer/VoC/Atheon's will basically be ignored in favor of Reload/Damage perks. And if they make them random rolled, they lose what was special, but more likely to be used not many people really wants outlaw dragonfly in our current weapon meta :P
Man every datto puts out a thoughts video he somehow manages to perfectly encapsulate my thoughts on the pve side of the game. I’ve tried to describe how I’m feeling but he always says it better than ever
Haven't played destiny since a month after D2 launch. But keep coming to these vids just to see when I should turn it on again.
Probably a wasted comment typing this all out - considering its a UA-cam comment section and it's just my opinion, which is probably pretty niche, but here goes nothing...
I once watched a stream about - the head developer (CEO?) spoke about how the game was designed to be extremely difficult and have too many options available to players in order to withhold a sense of longevity. The idea was that - if a player simply cant comprehend the options available to them - they must keep trying new combinations, ultimately discovering new techniques and playstyles for new events. This created a game where the content is extraordinarily repetitive, but loses no fun factor or power fantasy; people play the same story every season, and repeat the same maps as "endgame". Why is no love lost? Repeating the same content? Because the versatility and build depth, item depth, and min-maxing is almost technically endless (and sure feels legitimately endless). It never feels the same, it never feels repetitive, its always a chase or a discovery. When it's all said and done - you can say to yourself as you chew threw hordes of enemies. Maybe the enemies are the same, but your pathway was truly yours...or at least it felt it.
The same was said about during development - it is intentionally hard to grasp...it's basically like learning another language. Forget trying to remember what every item does, or the combinations of items, or where to get them until you are hundreds and hundreds of hours into the game. Even considering that the MAIN story of the game is behind a very long playtime - with only a small % of players reaching it. This was designed to create variation in repetitive content. A mantra of "if you're going to do the same thing over and over, you may as well have fun doing it over and over". (which you've spoken about a lot). I'm assuming this rings true in other MMO RPG's like or , although I have not played either enough to make a comment.
I think for most people, this doesn't effect them - but I have a sense with anyone who is feeling dry or burnt out on , like me, they also crave that depth and variation in a loot based RPG game. I'm personally glad that Destiny was a gateway drug for irrefutable and truly deep RPG/ARPG games - but I'm saddened that the problem feels obvious to me. Of course you have some variety - but it never feels , the customization has always been minimal, and purely gun based; "". Perhaps we're seeing hints of depth with the new Stasis artifacts, and things like Necrotic Thorn builds. However, they act as a nice page turners and time wasters but don't fully fulfill the power fantasy.
It still doesn't feel like
I think over time, unless true depth is added to Destiny (2) - the players that crave this will begin to fall away more and more. As you mentioned - they simply just wont come back again. I'm sure this is only a small part of the population - but repetitive content alongside a limited arsenal of both weapons and customization will drain the well. We need to inject OUR decision making as players into the game, with all of those decisions feeling valid and empowered. I, and perhaps other folks, want to watch a "build guide" that truly blows me away and shows something they never could have dreamed of being possible in this game. I want to use the thing I've created (look up the concept of Ikea) and use it to achieve something great.
Not sure why I typed this out, maybe to find solace or peace with a conclusion of my time in Destiny.
I appreciate you sharing your thoughts Datto.
I've generally been in this middle ground in terms of what a community wants with depth. The last time I have seen a focused call for depth was D2 launch. Since then the vocal community has been split on being for and against it especially when it means changing what is familiar to them and what play "their" way means.
@@evaangelofdeath my guess (based on player counts) is that bungie has it nailed with depth for allowing the highest base that still satiates players wanting some depth. My opinion, as mentioned is most likely very niche (when comparing warframe and poe numbers to d2)
Have the same issue. When I load up destiny after I finished playing the beyond light content, did a couple wrathborn hunts, got my hawkmoon, and now I just don't even care anymore. I could go on and do the pinnacles, but why? Do do the gm nightfall? But even then, what is the point of it if the goal is to just "get better" gear wise.
I know Datto isn't in the club of, "D1 is better than D2", but personally, where D1 excelled was at making the base content not super easy. What I mean is strikes were harder, raids were hard outside of the first 24 hours, it just felt like there was more meaning, even when there wasn't.
1:50 yes: nos there’s nothing to do and none of it matters
Honestly, these last handful of seasons are so unmemorable that I cannot even tell you what season was what anymore.
I love when you make these vids Datto, I love hearing your opinion on the current state of the game. Thanks man! keep up the great work
I miss the black armory if they brought that back and did some sort of rework. Like master forges where it has a small raid/dungeon feel to it. For example each forge has its own mechanic system have like some champions in it as some “seasoning” and have the regular forges be like a way to prep for the master ones. A good loot system for master would be you being able to chose the perks you would want on a weapon like pick a set and it will roll you a random of the set. Same with the armor, but on armor pick 3 attributes you would like the highest and it will randomly choose 2 . This way you still have that rng without having it be too much rng especially with how sunsetting is. Each master forge can easily be tuned for play styles like one can be long range an other short and what have you so having different weapons and builds will kinda mean something. Idk man I just really miss the black armory.
They literally did nothing for crucible. Nothing.
And?
@@captainblighe7297 and that's bad, very bad. They also did nothing for strikes and gambit, except make it worse.
What do you mean and? We literally got 0 content and thats an issue
Destiny is atm in a really bad state. I have no idea what Bungie are doing the entire days. There is no content in the game and the next dlc are reskinned old D1 content.....
Hopefully, Outriders ends up being good when it releases. Because an actual competitor for Destiny should light enough of a fire under Bungie to make them mix things up.
Division 2 is also a good competitor to destiny
@@Lady_Amelia-Eloise Division 2 was good, but when they nerfed the Eagle Bearer from the raid, they lost myself, and so much more of their population, as they nerfed more things inside of that patch as well. Destiny is too easy. Division isn't TOO HARD, but they nerf anything the moment they realize it doesn't take enemies over 40+ bullets to kill. I haven't played Div 2 in about 2 months, but I just logged in recently and was like number 89 in the leaderboards. If I'm still in top 100, the population of the game is damned.
Hey Datto, just want to say thank you for the great content aka a massive voice for all of us. Have you ever thought about maybe now would be a good time to have a interview with someone in the studio. I will never leave the game as I’m in the same thoughts as you but for the majority of the player base they really just need to know what’s up and where is Destiny heading.
Also for me the game has become so much better after the separation from Activision. But as far as content or atleast purpose there needs to be a change. I’m sure the whole covid pandemic has put a massive halt on things. But it would be nice just to hear what’s happening.
Here's a thought for a change with leveling: why not have our level tie to what rewards we get in core activities like you reach level 45, you have a chance at getting ascendant golf balls or something like that.
So much less to do, none of it matters, and everything has an expiration date.
10:54 Cosmodrome in a nutshell
We don't want more destiny, we want new destiny
Yes indeed. Europa looks cool, it has improved loot systems for the Lost Sectors which I appreciate, but ultimately it feels like the same old destination design we've been playing for the last six years. I was really hoping we'd see some new design choices, maybe a huge contiguous space instead of the old 'small zones connected by zig zag paths' model.
No
I think the only new part of BL is the raid. The raid did feel different, if even for only a few moments here and there.
This is the first time in the last year I haven't played in over a week or 2.. You nailed it, there's nothing to do right now (besides PvP)
There has never been a game I love more than D2. The story and narrative is the only thing keeping me in it. Maybe be slow on content now but I am so freaking hopeful for the future.