Thank you for this beautiful tribute to my father, the survivor, Joseph P. Mass. He had "Survivor's Guilt" and often talked about the men he served with who were killed that day, but he was so very grateful for being spared. He had serious hearing loss because of being shot and had vivid, terrifying dreams all his remaining life. It wasn't called PTSD then. It is interesting that, several years before he died at the age of 86, my Dad developed some vision problems and underwent an MRI. They found a piece of the bullet still lodged in his skull. It was not the cause of his vision problem, but we were shocked to learn that it was still there. Thanks to all who have served our country. God bless you and your families.
@marryanntowers6117 God bless your father. An uncle of mine was wounded in those terrible battles over there but he came home. My dad told me he never talked about what he saw during the war.
Hello Marry, thank you so much for your wonderful comment and addition to the video. I tried reaching out to Jim before publishing, but it might’ve ended up in his spam folder. Your dad was a real hero and I hope to have honored him with this documentary. Best regards, SNAFU DOCS
@@SNAFUDOCS We are so grateful for your interest in these heroes and the respectful and beautifully done video. My Dad only began to talk to us about his capture and experience near the end of his life. He told me that a German doctor who was with Capt. Seymour Green and the others at the hotel actually saved his life. My Dad said that (somehow?) when he found his way to the hotel, he was re-captured and Green (also a prisoner) ordered the German doctor there to remove the bullet. The doctor replied that my Dad was already a dead man, but complied because, under the Rules of War, he was obliged to save him. My Dad was thankful every day of his life because this doctor had saved him.
Marryann, God bless your courageous father. He's so fortunate to have survived this horrible atrocity. So sad that he relived so many times the memory of this horrible event, and that he carried his survivor's guilt for the remainder of his life. Beautiful family. I presume that the little girl in the photo is you?
Thanks! Joey, this is another great documentary about WW2. I have watched all of the episodes, and your Then and Now, that you have posted and enjoyed them immensely. I have even been to some of the locations that you have shared and am looking forward to seeing your next work.
Your entire staff amaze me with the dedication and precision of your videos. God bless each of you for what you're doing. It's nice to know that these soldiers will not be forgotten. Thank you for that.
Very well done. Yesterday at Henri Chapelle I noticed the flags that you guys apparently placed there. Thank you Joey and Bob. Please keep up the good work.
Thank you for another informative video. My father was tasked with filming and photographing this for the Army. He was also on the list to be called as a witness though I am not sure if he was asked to give testimony. I have 3 photos of this Massacre. They are heart wrenching to view. One was taken from a different point as compared to the one shown in the video.
My Father fought in the Battle of the Bulge with the 28th Infantry Division, 110th Regiment, A Company. He made it home but lost friends in the Malmedy Massacre. This detailed account of the Ligneuville massacre was heart wrenching. I am thankful that you did this documentary because it adds to my Father’s experience while on the frontlines. God Bless.
Inspite of all the wars and billions of deaths leading to all round tragedies and hardships there has been no let up in thecivilised man's thirst for blood He is the only animal on earth who does not think twice before killing millions to fulfill his short lived greed and desires. When will it end.. ...Will it ever... A wonderful documentary hitting hard where intententded. The Then and Now shorts are very intense raising a wish to visit every sight and feel.... Just remarkable work.. ...
You guyz are the best !!! I highly suspect there is an absolute ton of work that has to go into this in order to make a documentary that is 17 min long, kudos for all your hard work. I've been telling everyone interested about ur work !
Shout out to the 394th Infantry Regiment 99th Infantry Division I&R Platoon for their bravery during the Lanzareth Ridge Battle lead by 20-year old First Lieutenant Lyle J. Bouck, Jr.
Joey and Bob , so very glad yall decided to cover these men killed there ...just down the road from 5 Points ...Which always Gets Remembered and Well Known . I was there on its Anniversary Date in 1984 ,while Serving in the Army . I had my own pictures and books then. I was also able to talk to people who Remembered it and saw the bodies ...Peter Rupp was a very Brave Man ...he could have easily lost his life that day ...The SS were killing pretty much everyone they came across ..THANKYOU BOTH FOR REMEMBERING THESE MEN !!!!
My father served in five major campaigns. He received medals for each one. He never talked about what he did, or saw. My cousin informed me that her father, my father’s younger and only brother, told her that my father shared with him that he could never forget what he saw and experienced. He died at age 60 of CAD. I will forever remember him as a true patriot.
The confessions at the Malmedy trails were likely obtained through torture, so how can we know if they are true? There is a large story behind those trials, but information is hard to come by as the victor writes the history. It came known to the americans higher up that they were possibly tortured, which is part of the reason the sentences were commuted to save a re-trail and embarresment for the americans. Some of the guys may have actually been guilty, but we'll never know
A very well done, thorough and informative documentary. WWII is one of my favorite history reads. So heartbreaking that these American GIs were so brutally executed. I found the house at 4430 Albertly Ave in Parma, OH on Google Maps. It looks virtually unchanged from the photo in the documentary. Lovely neighborhood.
There was a lot of 'that' going around back then. For what they did to Canadians just post D-day, they took NO PRISONERS. When 20 or so of your brothers were literally run over on the road by tanks. There is NO FORGIVENESS.
Prachtig onderzoekswerk weer Joey. Het is duidelijk te zien dat je hier veel werk in steekt. Je verdient veel meer credits, likes en abonnees maar hou vol! Jouw tijd komt nog wel.
My mother was 9 years old when this took place, she remembers the food rationings, the rationings stamps the blackouts and curfews they even had to hang black curtains up do to living on the Eastern seaboard in Baltimore Maryland she is still living today at 89 years old and is not happy with some of the things happening in America's present day .
My dad was a combat engineer in France Belgium Luxembourg and Germany and his best friend was in the bulge..he survived and had shrapnel in his body until he passed away...
Very well presented. Such a tragedy...and why oh why commit such a crime in a situation such as this? I have served myself and can possibly understand in the heat of the moment..blood running high...but it still does not justify or indeed excuse this abhorrent behaviour.
Thank you...and you too. Also I read The After the Battle book on The Battle of the Bulge and this gives a good account also which includes the trial at Dachau. An interesting analysis
Thank you for remembering them. There were other massacres, especially in France that were not reported outside of command or ever made public. In order not to destroy American public morale. Those files are probably destroyed by now, and the stories never see the light of day.
The confessions at the Malmedy trails were likely obtained through torture, so how can we know if they are true? There is a large story behind those trials, but information is hard to come by as the victor writes the history. It came known to the americans higher up that the german condemned were possibly tortured, which is part of the reason the sentences were commuted to save a re-trail and embarresment for the americans. Some of the guys may have actually been guilty, but we'll never know.
I think atrocities were carried out on both sides. But this is truly cold blooded murder. What made them actually do it ? Also, did they really think they would get away with it because they must of realised the war was over!
War is beyond horrible. Savagery by the enemy leads to escalation and more savagery (ie: The Chenogne massacre.) The US Marines and US Army (in the Pacific Theater) faced a very difficult situation with an enemy who (for the most part) saw surrender as dishonorable, and created various ways to kill(multiple) allied troops while feigning surrender. I think I'm correct in saying that (in the Pacifc) "take no prisoners" became a necessity if not "official orders". It's nothing for anyone to be proud of. They'd tell you as much I think.
Nice job. A couple of notable minor errors: Sternebeck wasn't in a Panther but a Panzer IV and Peiper was a Obersturmbannführer at that time, promoted to Standartenführer in 1945. Peiper took a Panzerfaust instead of a bazooka, you might call the Panzerschreck the equivalent to a US bazooka.
Also up at 5 Points ,I was able to walk the Massacre field ,and the burnt building at the corner ...it was all the same then 1984 ...the trees on both side of the road and the ditch futher down where some men were able to escape into the woods at the beginning of the attack instead of surrendering....Yall should also do a tribute to the 2 men who were in a jeep going to get parts for a vehicle if I remember correctly and were capture when the SS column came up and cut across the field and attack the 285th unit .The 2 soldiers were taken out of the jeep and both shot in the ditch . They were around the corner from where the 285th went down the road and were attacked.. Lest We Forget ...
International humanitarian law s. Of of war .Geneva convention of 1949 . Grandfather fought in the army of the USA. Battle of the bulge awarded multiple purple hearts, and silver star . Talk about artillery air burst. Especially when mg42 s opened up . And always always reminding me of how cold it was at that time.
During the war, there was not a single mass atrocities committed by the Germans - there were millions of individual atrocities in every single case - every lost health, future, business, loved one, potential of those who did not survive and did not give descendants, every penny stolen and even a single window broken.... We in Poland today, despite the losses suffered, despite all this - are supposed to listen to the Germans as the leaders of Europe - after all the atrocities of the Second World War and as a result of it we came under the occupation of the Soviets.... We are supposed to buy German cars and be polite, not ask about reparations and not even mention our fate..... And not to speak up when someone is unable to call German extermination camps German - after all, they were some Nazis? And at the same time not to defend ourselves when someone talks about Polish death camps, because the Germans organized them here on such a scale... Hasn't this world gone completely mad? I value your materials very much - I love history and I would like every developed person to know it as it was - all the more I am able to appreciate your vids - but.... visit Poland someday - you will see what goes beyond the imagination of brutality.....
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the link for the locations aint working anymore
That memorial has been updated recently. The name Lincoln Abraham once read Abraham Lincoln.
Thank you for this beautiful tribute to my father, the survivor, Joseph P. Mass. He had "Survivor's Guilt" and often talked about the men he served with who were killed that day, but he was so very grateful for being spared. He had serious hearing loss because of being shot and had vivid, terrifying dreams all his remaining life. It wasn't called PTSD then. It is interesting that, several years before he died at the age of 86, my Dad developed some vision problems and underwent an MRI. They found a piece of the bullet still lodged in his skull. It was not the cause of his vision problem, but we were shocked to learn that it was still there.
Thanks to all who have served our country. God bless you and your families.
Merry Christmas to you and your family!
@marryanntowers6117 God bless your father. An uncle of mine was wounded in those terrible battles over there but he came home. My dad told me he never talked about what he saw during the war.
Hello Marry, thank you so much for your wonderful comment and addition to the video. I tried reaching out to Jim before publishing, but it might’ve ended up in his spam folder. Your dad was a real hero and I hope to have honored him with this documentary.
Best regards,
SNAFU DOCS
@@SNAFUDOCS We are so grateful for your interest in these heroes and the respectful and beautifully done video. My Dad only began to talk to us about his capture and experience near the end of his life. He told me that a German doctor who was with Capt. Seymour Green and the others at the hotel actually saved his life. My Dad said that (somehow?) when he found his way to the hotel, he was re-captured and Green (also a prisoner) ordered the German doctor there to remove the bullet. The doctor replied that my Dad was already a dead man, but complied because, under the Rules of War, he was obliged to save him. My Dad was thankful every day of his life because this doctor had saved him.
Marryann, God bless your courageous father. He's so fortunate to have survived this horrible atrocity. So sad that he relived so many times the memory of this horrible event, and that he carried his survivor's guilt for the remainder of his life. Beautiful family. I presume that the little girl in the photo is you?
Another well done documentary on a little known tragic event. Nice job Joey. Appreciate all the work you guys do.
Thanks! Joey, this is another great documentary about WW2. I have watched all of the episodes, and your Then and Now, that you have posted and enjoyed them immensely. I have even been to some of the locations that you have shared and am looking forward to seeing your next work.
80 years ago tomorrow. Thank you for making sure they were not forgotten.
Another incident of the war I hadn't heard about before. Thanks for the video and for the respect you show our fallen soldiers.
Appreciate it; thank you for watching!
@@SNAFUDOCS you're welcome
You all do the best historical videos. Thank you for always sharing.
Your entire staff amaze me with the dedication and precision of your videos. God bless each of you for what you're doing. It's nice to know that these soldiers will not be forgotten. Thank you for that.
Thank you Sam! Appreciate it
I have been to this town twice, just happened to find the memorial and now know the story of the men. Thank you
Thank you for watching!
Thank you for remembering and honoring them. Bless you for your dedication and in depth investigating.
Thank you for watching, appreciate it!
Very well done. Yesterday at Henri Chapelle I noticed the flags that you guys apparently placed there. Thank you Joey and Bob. Please keep up the good work.
We know about the Malmedy and Wereth Massacres. But this is new to many of us. Thanks and good job👍
My Dad was in the Battle of the Bulge.
101st Airborne, 501st.
Thank you for your content 👍.
Thank you for another informative video. My father was tasked with filming and photographing this for the Army. He was also on the list to be called as a witness though I am not sure if he was asked to give testimony. I have 3 photos of this Massacre. They are heart wrenching to view. One was taken from a different point as compared to the one shown in the video.
Thank you Jen! I would be very interested in seeing those photos. I have some stuff to send you as well!
@ how about we just meet in person to share😉.
@@SNAFUDOCS, how about we meet in person to exchange information 😉
@ we share in person when we meet up in February!
Heart wrenching. May we never forget.
Thank you for the video and the flowers and flags at the graves,this was nicely done, i love watching ur videos
Appreciate it!!
Gosh, I haven't seen snafu docs on my feed in what seems like forever... About time you're back!🎉
What you do is really important thank you very much.
Thank you Quentin!!
My Father fought in the Battle of the Bulge with the 28th Infantry Division, 110th Regiment, A Company. He made it home but lost friends in the Malmedy Massacre. This detailed account of the Ligneuville massacre was heart wrenching. I am thankful that you did this documentary because it adds to my Father’s experience while on the frontlines. God Bless.
Inspite of all the wars and billions of deaths leading to all round tragedies and hardships there has been no let up in thecivilised man's thirst for blood
He is the only animal on earth who does not think twice before killing millions to fulfill his short lived greed and desires. When will it end..
...Will it ever...
A wonderful documentary hitting hard where intententded. The Then and Now shorts are very intense raising a wish to visit every sight and feel....
Just remarkable work.. ...
Very well done! Excellent job by you and Bob in presenting and telling the history of this massacre.
Thank you Bronson!!! Appreciate it as always
You guyz are the best !!! I highly suspect there is an absolute ton of work that has to go into this in order to make a documentary that is 17 min long, kudos for all your hard work. I've been telling everyone interested about ur work !
Hello Brian, Thank you so much!!!
Shout out to the 394th Infantry Regiment 99th Infantry Division I&R Platoon for their bravery during the Lanzareth Ridge Battle lead by 20-year old First Lieutenant Lyle J. Bouck, Jr.
Joey and Bob , so very glad yall decided to cover these men killed there ...just down the road from 5 Points ...Which always Gets Remembered and Well Known . I was there on its Anniversary Date in 1984 ,while Serving in the Army . I had my own pictures and books then. I was also able to talk to people who Remembered it and saw the bodies ...Peter Rupp was a very Brave Man ...he could have easily lost his life that day ...The SS were killing pretty much everyone they came across ..THANKYOU BOTH FOR REMEMBERING THESE MEN !!!!
My father served in five major campaigns. He received medals for each one. He never talked about what he did, or saw. My cousin informed me that her father, my father’s younger and only brother, told her that my father shared with him that he could never forget what he saw and experienced.
He died at age 60 of CAD. I will forever remember him as a true patriot.
Genoten van een geweldige video
Kijk graag naar jullie documentaires😊
Heel erg bedankt, Patrick!
Walked all around there in 1984. Most people there then had vivid memories of 1944.
Thank you guys.
Thank you!!!
Thank you for telling their story, Never Forgotten 🙏🏻🙌🏻💙🇺🇸🦅
Thank you for the interesting and sad story🙏🏼 Just drove by the site on saturday on my way to Manhay.
Thank you for telling this story, the video is very well done!
Thank you for watching!
Thank you.
Excellent video Joey and Bob!! Happy Holidays
Thank you John! Appreciate it. Happy holidays!
Bravo! Excellent content and research as usual. It was criminal that those who took part in the Malmady Massacre didn’t get the death penalty.
Thank you for watching!
Nor did the American troops who committed the Chenogne massacre. There were massacres on both sides during the Battle of the Bulge.
The confessions at the Malmedy trails were likely obtained through torture, so how can we know if they are true? There is a large story behind those trials, but information is hard to come by as the victor writes the history. It came known to the americans higher up that they were possibly tortured, which is part of the reason the sentences were commuted to save a re-trail and embarresment for the americans. Some of the guys may have actually been guilty, but we'll never know
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A very well done, thorough and informative documentary. WWII is one of my favorite history reads. So heartbreaking that these American GIs were so brutally executed. I found the house at 4430 Albertly Ave in Parma, OH on Google Maps. It looks virtually unchanged from the photo in the documentary. Lovely neighborhood.
Sickening 😡
What on earth type of political pressure commutes sentences of cold blooded murders
Because they wanted to bury the war crimes by the Allies as well. They wants it all to go away..
There was a lot of 'that' going around back then.
For what they did to Canadians just post D-day, they took NO PRISONERS.
When 20 or so of your brothers were literally run over on the road by tanks. There is NO FORGIVENESS.
Prachtig onderzoekswerk weer Joey. Het is duidelijk te zien dat je hier veel werk in steekt. Je verdient veel meer credits, likes en abonnees maar hou vol! Jouw tijd komt nog wel.
Wat een mooie comment, dank! Fijne feestdagen !
Lest We Forget
My mother was 9 years old when this took place, she remembers the food rationings, the rationings stamps the blackouts and curfews they even had to hang black curtains up do to living on the Eastern seaboard in Baltimore Maryland she is still living today at 89 years old and is not happy with some of the things happening in America's present day .
My dad was a combat engineer in France Belgium Luxembourg and Germany and his best friend was in the bulge..he survived and had shrapnel in his body until he passed away...
Incredible story.
Thank you for watching!
Thank you Snafu Docs
Very well presented. Such a tragedy...and why oh why commit such a crime in a situation such as this? I have served myself and can possibly understand in the heat of the moment..blood running high...but it still does not justify or indeed excuse this abhorrent behaviour.
Thanks for watching my friend!
Thank you...and you too.
Also I read The After the Battle book on The Battle of the Bulge and this gives a good account also which includes the trial at Dachau.
An interesting analysis
This is a great video of past history.
Wonderful channel.
Thanks buddy!
Ongelofelijk goed in elkaar gezet!
Another great doc. And eh Bob!. Congrats. Another year older and wiser!
Thank you for watching! I’m sure Bob reads the comments haha
Very interesting thanks for sharing
Thank you for watching!!
Excellent research, but such a sad story😢🇺🇸
Thank you for watching!
Another great piece Joe
I Liked This DOCUMENTARY
Hi Paul, thank you so much for watching! Appreciate it.
Been there too, in Malmedy. There was a private museum there, now closed.
Thank you for remembering them. There were other massacres, especially in France that were not reported outside of command or ever made public. In order not to destroy American public morale. Those files are probably destroyed by now, and the stories never see the light of day.
I'll never understand why so many war criminals dodged the executioner.
The confessions at the Malmedy trails were likely obtained through torture, so how can we know if they are true? There is a large story behind those trials, but information is hard to come by as the victor writes the history. It came known to the americans higher up that the german condemned were possibly tortured, which is part of the reason the sentences were commuted to save a re-trail and embarresment for the americans. Some of the guys may have actually been guilty, but we'll never know.
😢 amazing story. Nothing but the reality of real men during war time, everyone gives something, some gave everything…
I think atrocities were carried out on both sides. But this is truly cold blooded murder. What made them actually do it ? Also, did they really think they would get away with it because they must of realised the war was over!
War is beyond horrible. Savagery by the enemy leads to escalation and more savagery (ie: The Chenogne massacre.) The US Marines and US Army (in the Pacific Theater) faced a very difficult situation with an enemy who (for the most part) saw surrender as dishonorable, and created various ways to kill(multiple) allied troops while feigning surrender. I think I'm correct in saying that (in the Pacifc) "take no prisoners" became a necessity if not "official orders".
It's nothing for anyone to be proud of. They'd tell you as much I think.
The Germans was stopped due to tough resistance from men like these. The Germans miscalculated everything and was crushed by the allies.
Nice job. A couple of notable minor errors: Sternebeck wasn't in a Panther but a Panzer IV and Peiper was a Obersturmbannführer at that time, promoted to Standartenführer in 1945. Peiper took a Panzerfaust instead of a bazooka, you might call the Panzerschreck the equivalent to a US bazooka.
Hi Mike! Thank you for pointing out these errors and anachronisms. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment!
Also up at 5 Points ,I was able to walk the Massacre field ,and the burnt building at the corner ...it was all the same then 1984 ...the trees on both side of the road and the ditch futher down where some men were able to escape into the woods at the beginning of the attack instead of surrendering....Yall should also do a tribute to the 2 men who were in a jeep going to get parts for a vehicle if I remember correctly and were capture when the SS column came up and cut across the field and attack the 285th unit .The 2 soldiers were taken out of the jeep and both shot in the ditch . They were around the corner from where the 285th went down the road and were attacked.. Lest We Forget ...
Where do you find these foto’s
Archival research!
@ Thanks
My uncle,was in the battle of the bulge How can I find out about him?
Terrible inhumainity no respect of Geneva convention POW ss criminal of war
Thank God my husband’s uncle who fought at the battle of the Bulge was not caught!
Around 20,000 American troops became POWs and were not shot.
Why was it unclear that they shot prisoners ? They were SS .
The overwhelming vast majority of SS troops did not shoot prisoners.
International humanitarian law s. Of of war .Geneva convention of 1949 . Grandfather fought in the army of the USA. Battle of the bulge awarded multiple purple hearts, and silver star . Talk about artillery air burst. Especially when mg42 s opened up . And always always reminding me of how cold it was at that time.
Evils always get away
Neurenberg Trial (partly).
During the war, there was not a single mass atrocities committed by the Germans - there were millions of individual atrocities in every single case - every lost health, future, business, loved one, potential of those who did not survive and did not give descendants, every penny stolen and even a single window broken.... We in Poland today, despite the losses suffered, despite all this - are supposed to listen to the Germans as the leaders of Europe - after all the atrocities of the Second World War and as a result of it we came under the occupation of the Soviets.... We are supposed to buy German cars and be polite, not ask about reparations and not even mention our fate..... And not to speak up when someone is unable to call German extermination camps German - after all, they were some Nazis? And at the same time not to defend ourselves when someone talks about Polish death camps, because the Germans organized them here on such a scale... Hasn't this world gone completely mad? I value your materials very much - I love history and I would like every developed person to know it as it was - all the more I am able to appreciate your vids - but.... visit Poland someday - you will see what goes beyond the imagination of brutality.....
Why has this non combatant woman her hands up?
She was showing to the researchers what she had seen.
Thank you for the info.
My comment was blocked??
Ridiculous. Nothing was said that was offensive. Seriously??😮
Pathetic
raimbow battalion executed 200 ss april 20/21 1945
And today some SS still alive don’t get that
🇩🇴
Wer würde angeklagt für Opfer auf den Rheinwiesen obwohl der Krieg aus war
Propaganda BS.
How so?
Says the Nazi