All Versions Of... - Star Trek - The Corbomite Maneuver - Visual Effects Comparison (part 1/2)
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2024
- This video compares the visual effects scenes from the classic Star Trek episode called "THE CORBOMITE MANEUVER". On the left side you can see the original 1966 effects, on the right side you can see the new CGI effects from the "digitally enhanced" edition. This is part 1.
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Reflecting the cube's lighting on the hull and on the Bridge was a deft digital touch... one of the more inventive ones displayed throughout the remastering.
yeah that was a pretty good effec!
The original version of the Fersarias coming up to the Enterprise is far more scary and ominous than the new version.
I think it's because in the original you're seeing it approach from a lower angle, which makes things appear more threatening
I agree, and I made a similar comment.
Yes I agree too.
The original version of the whole episode is superior than the new version. Never cared for the remastered versions.
Yeah, the original version leaves an empty area that you expect the Fesarius to fill... but it keeps going past the edges of the frame, which makes you gasp.
You stated that "for some reason" in the original shots the Enterprise traveled backwards before destroying the cube and that it was "fixed" in the cgi version. But there was nothing to be fixed. The reason the Enterprise was flying backwards was to get away from the cube. And it also does so in the cgi version as you can see by the stars' "movement" in relation to the ship. The Enterprise may appear to move forward because the cgi version added a zoom-in.
Exactly! She was going in reverse REAL FAST! They got it right by keeping it that way when the phasers destroyed the cube.
To have it not happen that way would’ve been a grave error on their part.
It's shocking and disappointing that this hasn't been pinned by Trekkie Channel. This is such a glaring error of his/hers. The stars going in reverse in the new CGI are just too visible to not acknowledge that error.
@@awesomeferret what the hell are you talking about ??
Stars are matter we are matter but it doesn't matter
The voice of Balok the puppet was Lurch from _The Addams Family,_ and the voice of him as Clint Howard was Ernie the Kebbler elf!
yup!!!, it was "TED CASSIDY", he was also the "GORN", and "ROCK" in "WHAT LITTLE GIRLS ARE MADE OF"
@@gregoryclemen1870 - He was the voice of the Gorn, it was a stuntman inside the costume.
@@HailAnts , thanks for letting me know that, it is a shame that most of TED CASSIDY's work on the show was uncredited!!!!
Ted even had a pop single with "Wesley".
I must confess that there is a point where the perspective of the original effects is superior. In this video, at the 9:17-9:19 point, the Enterprise in the original is shown in the "southern" region of the Fesarius, giving the effect of the larger ship looming over the Enterprise, whereas, in the CGI version, the Enterprise is more at the equator of the Fesarius, and removes the drop-jaw sensation slightly. It shows that, even though they had inferior methods, the originators still knew what they were doing, and they did do it well. I love the CGI, but there is something missing with them.
Absolutely! The original shot, with the Enterprise in the middle distance and off to the left side of the image, creates the expectation that the oncoming vessel will expand to fill the vacant space to the right side of the screen... but it just sails PAST that, like the Star Destroyer in the opening of _Star Wars._
The only thing marring the impact was the heavy dark matte lines on the Enterprise, and the low-detail on the Fesarius model didn't really support an extreme close-up.
I always wanted to see the First Federation absolutely pound the Borg into dust but be like 'This is your business Starfleet. You need to learn to overcome your problems on your own."
The stagnant side view works better because it gives you a feeling that this little cube has really "stopped" the Enterprise. So I prefer the older effects.
At 4:12, as the cube rotates, the light plays across the hull of the Enterprise. Nice touch!
"We're under attack by a Rubik's Cube!"
Captain to the bridge! Google chrome is trying to launch more updates!
,🤣 my thoughts exactly!
According to Nichelle Nichols' auto biography she was in a car accident on the way to the studio to film her scenes for this episode. They had doctors patch her up, she had a cut on her leg and they gave her pain medication. If she was not able to be in front of cameras they would have to recast the part and she would never be Lt Uhura. So they worked very hard to get her into filmable condition. This is why she looks like she wants to lie down and take a nap through most of the episode.
Ah, it becomes clear! There I was, thinking, "What have they let happen to Uhura?"
Without the music, Star Trek would not be Star Trek- Star Wars would not be Star Wars without John Williams.
Always liked this episode it’s sense of awe and mystery affected me even as a kid
I think the original Fesarius was better. It had a menacing, sort of structured but random, but pulsating with great energy, look. The new Fesarius just looks like a uniform, unimaginative 3D model. They could have made the Fesarius more menacing and interesting.
I agree. The look of the original Fesarius took the "How does it possibly function?" appearance of the cube and amped it up to the Nth degree. The digital Fesarius looks too comprehendible.
Nice video as ever thanks. I must say, altho I usually prefer the CGI, I much prefer the original effect for the massive ship filling the screen. Both the motion from a ‘small moon’ to becoming planet sized, which looks way more intimidating, and the arrangement of and lighting changes of the surface mounted objects. It all looks way less interesting in the equally spaced CGI version.
Although the newer versions are more clear, somehow something feels like it's missing. I prefer the original as well. Maybe, if for no other reason, because I'm used to the original broadcast since it's the one I've seen the most. Still appreciate the effort in attempting to improve existing footage.
Considering the budget Star Trek had to work with, they did a great job with no CGI/high tech effects.
OK, attempt 2 - hopefully this one will stay up.... Fingers crossed
Still up.
The "fix" of the more defined cube is typical post-modernism at work. The cube shape has gone from a spontaneous, nebulous, ever-shifting and mysterious shape in space that invites in our own imagination to interact with it in the story is reduced to being an overly defined, belabored, static and unimaginative ordinary cube that offers nothing of interest to the imagination. In the original, the cube shape seemed to pulse like a heart, shifting it's shape and boundaries in a fascinating way, but the modern version just turns it into a glowing Borg ship-like shape. Nothing too special. Ugh. The original artistry went from visually interesting to visually dull and lifeless just like that. There are visual artists who know how to create life and energy within any visual medium, including CG 3-D, and then there are those who are simply visual technicians, who know how to use programs to create things in 3-D, but clearly don't have a great understanding of things like restraint, spontaneity, energy, or have knowledge of how to create visual excitement. They are good at draftsman, but maybe they aren't the best visual storytellers. That's apparent here. To me it seems like the modern CG often manages to solve one problem while creating additional, new problems. At best, it's a mixed bag. It's different, but I would not say that it's better. Even the shows original star fields seem more visual interesting to me. All the stars seem to be spaced so evenly in the modern CG. Much more uniform in the spacing, which seems less natural. The original star fields have a much more natural, random feel to them. You can see star clusters in the original. Nebulous shapes like the arm of a galaxy adding to the visual interest. That's much more credible and believable to me! The modern CGI creates an artificial, evenly-spaced, generic star field that just doesn't seem very convincing to me.
It takes CBS to make a copyright claim on a show they haven't broadcast in primetime television in more than FIFTY years, despite the legal fair use exemption. From the company that brought you BLUE Klingons in Star Trek Discovery. This is one of my favorite episodes, as it was the first to feature the "trinity" of Star Trek: Kirk's heroism, Spock's logic, and Mccoy's humanity. I appreciate the efforts of the CGI effects to make the original series a little less cheesy, but it's the original version that I, like many others, first fell in love with. Sort of like meeting one's very first girlfriend again.
As a child of the 60s answer seeing these in there original format! The original has it's place however the updated version is what we the viewers would have liked to have seen. I personally have run them together and none of the actual actors parts changed and that is what is important. Keeping in mind that I am one that both copies and watch both from time to time. There is something to be said that these guys spent time to update a classic TV series and did a great job.
The originals look better by far.
The perspective of the original scenes and masterful use of filming the subject matter makes the CGI versions pale in comparison.
Episode, the first regular one filmed, is unique in that closing credits are superimposed over the ending scene, which was not done later on, if I'm correct.
to me it was the best episode of the series, fantastic suspense and acting
Captain Kirk's bare chest was not altered with CGI.
True, but he did have makeup on his nipples.
I prefer most of the original practical effects. Sometimes the new phasers look better, but on the whole I’ll take the original every time.
Apart from when you can make out the lines around the enterprise agains that huge moon sized ship, the original is better, the ship has weight.
Excellent video, I'm surprised that UA-cam wouldn't you play the audio of the score by Fred Steiner. As soon as the Enterprise encounters the Cube, even on your comparison , I hear the music in my head. This is one of my top 5 TOS episodes!
The weird thing is that the video WITH the music was up for several minutes.
@@TrekkieChannel It takes time for CBS lawyers to finish their coffee before filing a copyright claim.
@@houseofno Obviously, they spend most of their days debating what parts of the franchise do - and do not - belong under their umbrella...
I can still hear the music in my head.
I just watched original episode on Pluto TV. Scared me as a youngster in early 70s.
Ted Cassidy, "Lurch", did Balok's voice. This was the first regular-season episode filmed, if I'm correct. The concept of "Starfleet" hadn't been developed yet.
8:03-8:04, both the original and the cgi shots show that the enterprise is moving in reverse (kirk gave the order), but you can only tell in the cgi version by looking at the stars
I prefer the original. The cube looks better....the blurry effect makes it more mysterious.
50 years and I didn't realize Balok's and the Gorn's voice is Lurch. I do know he was in What are Little Girls Made of.
The enterprise was supposed to be traveling backwards
This was the first episode produced following the pilot, "Where No Man Has Gone Before" so production is still a little sloppy. This is the first time we see the new uniforms with the black collars and some of them dont fit very well, especially Sulu's. The first few episodes often featured a guest actor in the role of the navigator. This was part of how the series was pitched. That the crew would be so large that you could have a different character on the bridge each week to build a plot around. Fortunately the produces quickly realized that the leading actors were more interesting to build stories around than "navigator of the week" format and they soon moved away from it and we eventually got Chekov.
I think when the cube moves from left to right it should move clockwise, then when it moves right to left it should move counterclockwise. Maybe they thought the viewers would think they just reversed the footage.
Well, that’s definitely why it used to reverse, for sure.
👍 I'm sure they just reversed the footage, assuming viewers would not notice.
I have to agree with other commenters here that the original shot of the Fesarius dwarfing the Enterprise is far more effective. The CGI shot is one of the few upgrades that I find disappointing. It simply does not have the same impact.
I'm watching The Galileo Seven and wow the CGI of the shuttle taking off at the beginning of the episode looks like hot garbage even for 2006. Don't know why they even bothered replacing the effects if that's the effort they put in.
The puppet alien reminds me of the admiral that dropped the F-bomb on Picard
Oh I was so badass back then.
Still are, Admiral.
@@Paraprax Thanks.
Right when the original version becomes blurry the CGI version just starts spinning faster. The CGI version becomes blurry much later.
Have most often preferred the original effects, though sometimes feel the CGI is justified where it adds a little something to the scientific plausibility.
Hey... Takei says "Magnification 2-5 [or 2.5]," and then says "Magnificiation 1-8.5." Couldn't this be considered a fifty-five year old uncaught error? Shouldn't it have been "1.85"?
Baylok sent them a Rubik's cube and Spock didn't even try to solve it. How rude!
I believe since you only have two screens and not a 3rd. The correct word would be Both not All.
There was a problem with the soundtrack dubbing originally; at one point, when Balok is verbally harassing the ship, Sulu says "I thought he would", or something, except that there was no Balok voice preceding it; it had been neglected to be edited in.
The Enterprise was SUPPOSED TO be traveling backwards, as indicated in dialog, so the CGI "fix" was another continuity ERROR.
love it the cgi on blueray
The CGI version makes the OG look better.
This enhanced version of what we have on streaming services like Netflix today, right?
Ted Cassidy's voice.. awesome 👌 👏 👍
This short clip triggered something for me, wonder, I of course saw this in it's first run, and in the many decades since I've probably seen it maybe 4 or 5 times in reruns, maybe more, but watching this I'm reminded of what made Star Trek so extraordinary, so exciting and wonderful, we hadn't yet run into the "earth-like alien planet of the week", we hadn't even run into the Romulans yet, this was a brilliant episode about space exploration, and how exciting and potentially dangerous that pursuit might be, subtle, natural humor instead of the everybody laugh at the end kind of thing, this episode perfectly captures the wonder of deep space, aboard an enormous spacecraft the likes of which had never before been seen, a beautiful and majestic ship that I believe the writers and producers didn't fully understand the workings within, it, and following iterations of the Enterprise have of course since been thoroughly disected, bisected and examined for decades since, finally, the marvelous music, supporting the scene without dictating what the viewer should be feeling, a supportive rather than manipulative element that helps build that sense of wonder we're experiencing visually, there were many fine episodes to come but Corbomite really set a standard
The series was called "Wagon Train to the Stars"; Gene Roddenberry may have used that phrase.
I liked original FX as the Cube spun it looked like it gave off heat or radiation.
I wish there was something better than UA-cam. I am so tired of UA-cam blocking content, even copyrighted content, on certain channels while allowing other channels to go untouched.
Use watermarks, audio overlay in sections, de-monetize, anything to allow content to be preserved and shared.
(In a bad Italian cafe owner's accent): I luvva dat cube! I have'a luvva'd datta cube for over'a *forty-years!*
Why do you have the moving stars top and bottom? Very distracting. Why go through all that trouble? We're here to see the show, not be distracted by needless background activity.
The whole episode generates a lot of tension; will the Enterprise be destroyed by a powerful alien or not? But the whole thing falls apart with the hokey ending. THIS little midget guy was putting us through all THAT? And NOW we're supposed to be friendly with him, and trust him aboard his teensy little ship?
"isn't UA-cam fun?" Yeah, it actually is.
1:32 Open a channel on Rumble. UA-cam's censoring and ads are way out of hand
That's not a continuity error re the green light on Sulu. The cube is spinning.
CGI Enterprise looks grey, flat and dead. The original ship is bright and feels alive like a real object.
2:43 Does Kirk say "Space... A final frontier" and not "THE final frontier" ?
Yes, every one of the early episodes had different opening credits originally. They were unified for the syndication re-runs. Unfortunately for some reason they did restore them for the DVDs, but NOT for the Blu-rays
@@TrekkieChannel Wow. I watched them on TV in the 80's and I have the Blu-rays but I am lazy and re-watching them on Netflix, the intro is so ingrained that I probably wouldn't notice.
Balok was broadcasting from engineering?
Ahora ya se cómo se vería calamardo con los efectos CGI!
The origenal is flat out 1000% better. The ship has weight...
So for most of the episodes on Blu-ray, the "original" versions of the early Season 1 episodes are missing the early Season 1 opening cue?
For the first half of the first season they used slightly different versions of the opening credits. Changes included Shatner's monologue being a different take or missing or a different take of the theme and things like that. As far as I know they have replaced these opening credits with the version which they used originally for the second half of the first season when the show went to syndication. They have restored the original versions for the DVDs but for some reason not for the Blu-ray
@@TrekkieChannel Does the 2004 DVD have the correct opening on the first (nearly) half of Season 1? I assume it's the first half in production order.
@@alanrowan6328 Yes. The 2004 PAL DVD box set is what I'm using for these videos
@@TrekkieChannel I know that PAL region stuff is time-compressed, do you uncompress it? It's not compressed in your videos.
The old version of the star field at warp on the view screen is better.
No sound ?
Can anyone tell mw why they decided the ship's phaser color should be blue and not red?
I think it's just a question of what was done more often, and blue phasers were more common than red phasers
Of course the newer effects look better overall but I wish they would have stayed with the original star designs, in the older effects not all the stars were moving, only the ones to the sides while there was a more fixed set in the background, the new effects do away with this and its not as good
That alien looks like Mitch Mcconnell
Hello guys'n'gals out there in trekkie land....the repeat of the repeat @ freeview uk just started....1st ting I noticed was Spocks uniform...get back to you in just over the hour...and @ quick thoughts..hear soon
As usual, the CGI effects have absolutely none of the charm of the original.
I clicked because of the alien
I like the stars in the original view screen better. It’s too dark and empty with the new cgi.
For part one I like some things in the new cgi. For the most part I like the original better. It’s as if the lighting was turned down in some shots but were more crisp originally, the ship was good but like the brighter more white grey of the older version. I hated that you left out the patterns and details of the first federation ship. It looks bland and less interesting in the new cgi. Overall a good try. I like the nacelles on the cgi. I like the cube. I haven’t seen the episode lately but they were in reverse to try and escape the radiation I thought. Like I said it’s been awhile so it could be I subconsciously assumed it all these years lol
why do you take somebody else's work, and upload it to UA-cam like it was your own?
Sorry - what? No, seriously, what are you talking about?
@@TrekkieChannel You.
@@captainharris8980 ???
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Give me some Tranya !
The nacelle caps on the original Enterprise model were wooden, and unlighted.
Que no lo quiten!
i prefered the original for the most part.
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The original effects looked much better. The fuzziness gave you a sense of confusion and wonder. The CGI stuff is too clean. Original Enterprise looked much better, too. The model showed some wear and grime.
The CGI effects were unnecessary and just a gimmick to sell DVDs.
7:02
Misleading thumb nail is misleading.
How is the thumbnail misleading?
@@TrekkieChannel I'm sorry, I didn't see the part 2 video, and I didn't see the alien. I should probably delete the comment.
Not a fan of CGI in movies or TOS. Much prefer the original.
The continuity in the original series was terrible (Kirk's middle name change, "Space Central" to "Starfleet Command", "Vulcanis" to "Vulcan", and so on). And the special effects were cheap. But it was a TV series, on a TV production schedule, with a TV budget.
For the most part the original still looks better
*The star backgrounds were much better in the original version. I finally stopped watching and left.*
As good as CGI really is..once it's integrated into the series..it destroys the historical value of it making the show no longer a 1960's series...
No offense to the artists, they did a great job - but I can't believe how much I hate the CGI version. It makes me feel different inside. It feels uncanny valley. The original version makes me feel warm and fuzzy all over. It's like the seriousness of the CGI does not go with the campiness of of the rest of the show.
the CGI stars and the Enterprise look bad, and the positioning in CGI is phoney looking. - the original looks much better (despite the imperfections) -- The sphere of the "yellow dots" looks more real in the original .
I agree with you on the yellow dots, but come on now, how it it possible to argue that the Enterprise and stars look worse? You can't deny, they certainly are more "realistic" (the stars wouldn't have as much color in the original since they would be so far away (remember, they are traveling way faster than the speed of light).
@@awesomeferret The original worked with what they had to work with. Yet this CGI is a failed attempt to make it look retro. IMO it is terribly executed and it has lost the charm / organic feel of the original.
@@roycem4945 well, we can agree to disagree on that.
To quote Mt. Shatner on SNL, GET A LIFE, PEOPLE! Surely you have more worthy things to obsess about, right? This comes from a long-time ST fan.
We're both in the UA-cam comments section. The question answers itself.
Adding CGI was just a way for today's fat headed nepotic inheritors of unearned Hollywood wealth and titles to "add value" to a product, lol, creating a marketing angle and justifying adding cost of purchase of STO to the consumer. In fact, the creativity of the original effects were what gave STO part of it's charm and appeal over ensuing decades. You could respect the craft of the original special effects artist/technicians. Special effects replacement with CGI is like adding "realistic" modern minute detail over a fine classic painting, as if that would improve it.
The original effects hold up its time. The cg looks out of place and cheap.
Why did you not follow your own "turn unchanged scenes to greyscale" rule? And how did you not notice the stars going in reverse at 7:36? You no doubt stared at this in editing... Honestly quite an embarrassing error for you, I strongly suggest a re-upload.
I suggest considering the entire purpose of this video. The entire point of this video is to highlight "miniscule details", so I suggest reconsidering the optics of being angry at me for doing the same thing. Also, something to note is that I'm not the only one to point this out, and I don't see you complaining in reply to those comments.
Original is better.....