Yeah I am also learning classical vocal music since 8½ years. And it really helps to remove stress of studies from our mind rather than putting one into it.
According to carnatic music it's not from vedha it's from ancient people who used only sounds for communication, then it turned into language & music & also carnatic music is the evaluated form of Pannisai
Power of Sanskrit mantras is in the sound and not in the meaning. It is all about sound frequencies. India civilized whole planet in almost every field.
I think you guys will enjoy the breezy TedX talk by Dhanashree Pandit-Rai on the contrast between Indian classical music (she uses Hindustani in her examples) and Western. She explains, in very simple terms, how various ornamentations (like Gamakas) add that characteristic touch to Indian Classical music. It becomes increasingly clear and easy to understand as she uses the backdrop of Western compositions to elaborate her points. Do check it out when you get a chance. As always, enjoyed the reaction!
Dear Rick and Korbin, I really appreciate the way you react to Indian classical music when even in the northern part of India people do not recognize and even make fun of Carnatik music in Hindi films.
When one begins to learn carnatic; we are taught notes and their combinations which make ragas. Then each of these notes sets and ragas are taught with varying talams or speeds which are tracked through finger palm and hand moments. These are built upon with example songs or keerthanas. Only when one is confident enough do the teachers go into Gamakas as they require a whole lot of vocal exercises focused listening prep work and even more practice.
The term was coined by the legendary Zakhir Hussain himself in his interview with these guys, watch it if you haven't And secondly most of the Aghani/Persian music is very much similar to Hindustani. So yes, eastern is fine
@@Kyuundaime Zakir Hussain did not coin the term 'eastern' wrt music or cultural artefacts in general. It was western Orientalists who did it, starting with the colonial era. Also, there are no separate classical music traditions in Afghanistan or Iran. Folk traditions, yes. Most of Afghanistan and eastern Iran were part of the Indian civilizational realm for almost all of ancient and for large parts of classical history. Hindustani classical is nothing but pre-classification Indian classical tradition assimilating and developing certain superficial elements introduced by long-term Turko-Arabic and Persian rule in northern India. Else there would be no separate 'Hindustani' or 'Carnatic' music today but simply Bharatiya Shastriya Sangeet with its regional flavours, schools, lineages.
It takes decades of utmost perseverance & patience to practice to master these styles…..it is not something which is to be done by autotunes now a days…..
We hindustanis did what we wanted. Thousands of years ago when people did what they loved and did until they died, continuing for centuries. Do music for thousands of years and you get this. But the best singers were centuries ago or millenniums ago. EVER HEARD OF TANSEN JI, USTAD BADE GHULAM ALI KHAN, PANDIT BHIMSEN JOSHI...
Dont just add east indian have their unique things, our whole classical music had nothing to do with any other eastern countries. Yes we share spirituality in east but that dosent mean everything we have similar
That is not entirely true. All the Asian civilizations have evolved their own set of melodic modes, particularly Mesopotamian and Chinese. Many of such modes from Arabic lands, Khmer lands and China are borrowed into our system and called as raag. Hindustani system is an apt example of merging of 2 systems of musics. Please do go through the history of individual raags. Art like commodities were always exchanged between ally countries. Almost nothing is entirely indigenous in the world, everything evolves by borrowing little from others at some point of time.
@@opnandan Indian classical music was largely especially carnatic music was untouched by mughal invaders so it's absolutely Indian whereas hindustani classical music was forced in less austere concepts like khyal and few urdu concepts because of which it diverged from shastrya Sangeet
It is very essential to know what is "S a Ri Ga Ma Pa" to know Indian music. And one must not compare Western and Indian music ! The Indian classical music is as old as Vedic times !
Yessss today all the videos on music😍😍 And the kind of excited Rick was at the beginning of the video gettin chills, that's me everytime I do music or learn something new in it😍
The weather seems to have a great influence on the way we speak, sing and also the way language and words have evolved. Owing to the tropical weather especially in India especially in the south of it, most time of the year is hot. So to be able to communicate so effectively without losing energy words have to be short and with less syllables. So music had also evolved with great ornamentation.
this is an interesting theory. Like the mountain peoples who live in windy areas, or on the steppe and desert expanses, they have mastered ringing and vibrating voices. And it is also very interesting to observe the speech of the Arctic peoples (I am from Russia), their language contains a lot of chest sounds, and in order to pronounce words, you almost do not need to open your mouth wide, there are few vowels besides. I think it somehow helps to keep warm when talking in cold weather.
The best part about you guys is that you accept that you don’t know and hence your thirsty for knowledge and wisdom. Thanks for these reactions as it add to our wisdom too. Cheers
@@Iranianmushrik It's so obvious that's because they are stupid... And we, "stupid babies" still watch their stupid reactions. Actually wait, nah that's not true... Even I can't understand Carnatic how come they understand??
@@sizesnowy9302 no I unsubscribed thm long back it's jus I was delting my few notification mails, so I thought to see this videos particularly abt raga not their reactions.
That was only one part of the ocean of Indian Classical Music.. The Carnatic one. The other part is Hindustani Classical where the Gamakas are applied in a different ways
Carnatic Music, also known as Karnataka Sangeetha is a form of music unique to South India. While north India follows Hindustani music, southern states of Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, Telangana, Tamil Nadu and Kerala are known for Carnatic Music performances.
You must listen to Rahul Deshpande. He is the grandson of legendary Vasantrao Deshpande and is a contemporary of Mahesh Kale. Also dear Korbin you have barely scratched the Indian music surface in the last 1.5 year 😀 you will continue to be surprised as you listen to more.
Bruh they just meant east of Europe and the Americas (south and north) . While they say East, they are saying that African and Asian music are quite different from the European music which is more of choral music that sound quite soft
The beauty of classical music is that everything is documented and has rules yet it is not rigid. A maestro can totally improvise and riff off. In fact some feel that it is the very rules which gives them the freedom. Very counterintuitive isn't it?
This is high time when you should interview Mahesh Kale... The is the best person who may be able to talk and relate Indian Classical music with Western music... I am really looking forward to see when that happens... I personally did Tweet Mahesh in Marathi, did not get any response...Perhaps some of our OSR family may have better connection with him to get him t agree to come on channel for interview...
Another musian is Dr L Subramanim. He is an MD, a prominent Carnatic violinist, and has a Masters's degree in Western music. He also composes for The New York Philharmonic Orchestra. His wife is Kavita Krishnamurthy.
@@WizInsight108 just that Rick and Korbin has reference to the work of Mahesh Kale... and perhaps has more things to break the ice and keep the conversation bit relevant... Just a thought...
If it is of interest, the 'Maestro', Satyajit Ray was equally learned in Indian classical ( Karnatic, Hindustani...) and pure Western Classical including orchestral and chamber. In fact, he used his deep knowledge and talent in music to create his own unique scores of many of his iconic films! You can google...
7:38 You are right Korbin Asian music like Hindi , Persian , turkish , and Arabic is way harder and has strict rules like 1/4 tune in arabic singing which doesn't exist in western music..
watch the movie ‘The Disciple’ directed by Chaitanya Tamhane (Court fame). It’s about a hindustani classical singing disciple and the Guru-Shishya(student) tradition
To master gamakas, beyond technical training, you need to build a malleable consciousness. Light bends with gravity. This was considered to be impossible till Einstein proved it! Malleable cultures create innovation through different spokes. Music is one such spoke. In mathematical or statistical terms, gamakas are the logistic curves between notes while western music is built on linear models which are straight lines.
Wow! Thanks for explaining it so well! Loved the part where you talked about the need to have a "malleable consciousness" beyond the technical training. I could always relate to it but was unable to express what it was!
@@ananyaa6664 Thanks. I am no expert in Indian classical music but I feel that given the inherent mathematical nature of all our ancient concepts, there is more to a sliding gamaka than just artistic value. If I have to get even more mathematical, the technique of 'sliding' from one note to another is like seeing music from the lens of calculus. Curved mathematical models sometimes explain data better. We can code every note as a data point, observe all the datapoints of a particular raaga as a part of a larger composition and then try anf understand better the nature of what people sing. Malleability of consciousness means that we recognize the dynamic nature of the universe and constantly keep re-tuning ourselves to the new manifestations even though the basic vibrations don't change.
Hullo! Your western SYMPHONIES are the inspiration for film songs. This how these songs could get layered music. Sound wise these symphonies are way too elegant and very complex in conception. Many many Indians are quite addicted to these western symphonies.
@@shreeyanagar kehna song is again borrowed from south,precisely Tamil so bollywood only copied it ,that's what I meant as most of later bollywood songs are plagiarism s
Think of these as a formalization of glissandos/glides. You should go back to the video on raaga a few times. Each raaga picks a limited set of notes, add these gamakas, and creates signatures for the raaga. This combo creates a mood for the raaga. By just choosing the right raaga for composing your movie song, half your work is already done! The other component you will discover some day is the tala or laya (i.e rhythm). The Indian rhythm/percussion system (esp. the Karnatik) is unmatched in this world by miles. Not only is the system very rigorous, but in India there is a whole concept of vocal percussion (konnakol or solkattu in the South & Bol in the North) where you can just sing out an entire complex percussion piece and let each percussionist play it in sync. You've occasionally heard these vocal phrases (thaka thakita, takadimi, etc) left in songs. A simple vocal percussion phrase could be a mind-blogging switch covering a 3-tuple, 4-tuple, 5-tuple, 7-tuple, and 9-tuple all in a SINGLE sentence! The Indian percussion foundation is the secret sauce of many Indian composers like A.R.Rahman, and an inspiration to performers like John Mclaughlin and even Freddie Mercury.
Just to share the actual history of musical notes introduced by Lord Shiva 7000+ years ago: Based on the sounds of seven creatures, Shiva evolved the surasaptaka. This seven-note scale, which made the rhythm sweeter and more graceful, includes the sounds of śad́aja [peacock], rśabha [ox], gándhára [goat], madhyama [horse], paiṋcama [cuckoo], dhaevata [ass] and niśáda [elephant]. By taking the initials of the seven sounds - sá from śad́aja, re from rśabha, gá from gándhára, má from madhyama, pá from paiṋcama, dhá from dhaevata and ni from niśáda - Shiva made the surasaptaka sá-re-gá-má-pá-dhá-ni; and at the eighth step, the first sound is repeated, although on a different level [of pitch]. In those regions of the world where the influence of Shiva was less, there, in the eighth note of this surasaptaka, there is a little difference (through permutation and combination, endless varieties of sound can be produced), so the second sá is not exactly the same as the first, so in [Western] music, we find do-re-mi-fa-sol-la-ti-do: in other words, do is repeated, and it is counted as part of the scale. That is why instead of saying surasaptaka ["seven-note musical scale"] [Western] musicians call their scale an "octave".(2)]] Thus by inventing the seven musical notes, Shiva made the world of rhythms sweeter and more delightful. This was no ordinary achievement. The music of the present-day world is entirely based on these seven musical notes. It is a matter of great regret that people have forgotten this science of music, whose foundation was laid by the intense efforts of Shiva. Nowadays, instead of considering music as a valuable asset to spiritual practice, they take it as a hobby, a means of livelihood, or a mere pastime. The arduous effort which Shiva invested in this science is conspicuously absent today. By Shrii Shrii Anandamurti Shiva - the Embodiment of Saḿgiita 19 April 1982, Kolkata
A CHILD starts learning at 6 but her first stage performance( ARANGETRAM) may be when she is about 15..18. You know Great violinists Kumari.KANYAKUMARI was even performing accompanying great vocalists of 1960..70s But ALL INDIA RADIO , the only public mass platform fir any performer in thise days did not accept her even to accompany very great singers in their programmes in studio since SHE WAS BELOW 18..That shows how the tradition brought discipline In the art. Today in the name of FUSION the art is adulterated .END OF PURE CLASSICAL ERA?
We have 4 kind of Vedas . Rig Veda speaks about details of music , dance etc. Our music and dance will be in more numbers compare to the whole world numbers. It is countless varities of dances and types of music in india
Yes guys its Indian music but sometimes we also refer their stuff as western so its just a tongue slip relax we grew up with these things and passionate about it but they don't still they are learning u can correct him but please be respectful
@@smitas65 there's lots of stuff which takes more than lifetime to learn and reach the depth of it but people do try to learn them and they clearly seems interested so you dont have to demotivate them to make it sound glorifying , which it is already
@@jemaime1657 You're taking an unnecessarily subjective view of this. This is not my statement (about learning taking a lifetime), but a reproduction of the statements of exponents and maestros of this genre, who are themselves humbled by the sheer expanse of this universe. If such a thing demotivates you or deflates you, then obviously this is not for you. It is for people who are looking for enrichment and growth, not people who want mastery and control. So stop interpreting my comment based on your negative perception. It is what it is, a genre that took centuries in the making, and that cannot be learnt in one lifetime.
@@smitas65 Negative perception ? Anyone can read your comment and say its a demotivating speech. According to you no one can learn and understand even a part of Indian classic in one lifetime now thats a hell of exaggeration. I know it has depths and structures to it but what you're stating is just a hyperbolic statement and I just stated what I felt from your comment even if your intentions are pure your comment does carry a sense of demotivating tone as you make it sound like unapproachable . And stop being so sensitive to criticism. UA-cam gives the option of comment underneath comment so I can express my feelings towards a comment with respect. Now thats youtube for you and if you dont like it simply dont comment anything
Carnatic Music is the Mother to all the forms of music. If u master it u can sing any form of music around the world! So is Bharathanatyam! Lord Shiva's (Nataraja) cosmic dance! When Lord Shiva played his Udukkai instrument the two sounds came out became Sanskrit and Tamil. So these two languages were the first non-identical twin languages of the cosmos! The Sanskrit or the Samaskritham was used by the Devas(Gods) and the Tamil language was used by the people of the world.
Actually, way back during Greek times the Greek music probably resembled Indian music, ie more melodius. It all changed when Church chorus music became dominant. This required males and females as well as people with many pitches to sing together. This made the composers write simpler melodies, with minimal gamakas, so that harmony can be preserved. Over time, Mozart and all realized that harmony of instruments can create majestic music even with simple melodies. So here we are now… western music dominated by emphasis on harmony and Indian taking the “serial” route where there is no harmony but incredibly complex melodies filled with gamakas of all sorts.
We do grow up more exposed to western music. Harmony is one thing especially absent in Indian classical music. But listen to ilaiyaraaja and how he effortlessly combines western music with Carnatic music. It’s not fusion. It’s a genre on its own called Ilaiyaraaja. Please react to “Ninnu Korri Varnam” from movie Agni Natchatiram.
WHat other videos should we react to??
React on Salman Khan song ---> Love me
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Have you guys read/seen Ramayana yet, It would help you understand a lot of the references in most movies. Mahabharata too.
Do reaction for thalapathy vijay sir journey plzz 🙏🙏
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For the nth time this is NOT EASTERN MUSIC it is Indian!
It’s just Rick🤦🏻♂️
No need to bajao been in front of bhains 😂 hahahahha
@@archana26feb 😂😂😂
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More specifically Carnatic. As far as I know East Asia didn't have any Canonised Music
I am student of classical vocal music since 9 years..This video Was so good in explaining the importance of Gamakas
Ohh wow 👍
Apka koi utube channel hai???
@@Sachinkumar-wu5tr thanks, no I don't have my UA-cam channel..but will start soon.
Congratulations....🔥👍
Yeah I am also learning classical vocal music since 8½ years. And it really helps to remove stress of studies from our mind rather than putting one into it.
Where do you take your classes….is it any of the Gharanas ?
Now atleast some ignorant indians will understand how rich and unique the Indian culture was. The whole SamVEDA has been dedicated for music.
👽 Gandharva Veda/Shastra (Music)
Natya Veda/Shastra (Dance)
Sabda Veda (Poetry)
Sthaptya Veda/ Vaastu Shastra/Shilpa Shastra (Architect)
According to carnatic music it's not from vedha it's from ancient people who used only sounds for communication, then it turned into language & music & also carnatic music is the evaluated form of Pannisai
Power of Sanskrit mantras is in the sound and not in the meaning. It is all about sound frequencies. India civilized whole planet in almost every field.
As far as I know, India is the only country with 2 distinct styles of classical music.
Carnatic
Hindustani
And there are many variations of that also.
its not carnatic, its karnataka, our state music
@@chandannag304 Hey. It is Carnatic. The music of the south.
@@chandannag304 oh man, never thought there will be disagreement about this
@@AndogaSpock 😂
Carnatic is nothing to do with Karnataka state. Learn more about the origin or etymology about the sankrut word "karnataka"
Its not eastern its specifically Indian music ..!!
Have you guys read/seen Ramayana yet, It would help you understand a lot of the references in most movies. Mahabharata too.
Carnatik music is an ocean. Masters still learning.
I think you guys will enjoy the breezy TedX talk by Dhanashree Pandit-Rai on the contrast between Indian classical music (she uses Hindustani in her examples) and Western. She explains, in very simple terms, how various ornamentations (like Gamakas) add that characteristic touch to Indian Classical music. It becomes increasingly clear and easy to understand as she uses the backdrop of Western compositions to elaborate her points. Do check it out when you get a chance. As always, enjoyed the reaction!
Thank you for sharing this information. I just finished watching it - it was both informative and entertaining.
Dear Rick and Korbin, I really appreciate the way you react to Indian classical music when even in the northern part of India people do not recognize and even make fun of Carnatik music in Hindi films.
EASTERN is not equal to INDIAN.
Even though India is in the East, it is a whole subcontinent in every aspect!
Totally Agree....Indian not eastern.
When one begins to learn carnatic; we are taught notes and their combinations which make ragas. Then each of these notes sets and ragas are taught with varying talams or speeds which are tracked through finger palm and hand moments.
These are built upon with example songs or keerthanas. Only when one is confident enough do the teachers go into Gamakas as they require a whole lot of vocal exercises focused listening prep work and even more practice.
What's your problem Dear Rick. It's not Eastern,Not whole Eastern part of world has this type of music but India. Please call it Indian music!!🙏
The term was coined by the legendary Zakhir Hussain himself in his interview with these guys, watch it if you haven't
And secondly most of the Aghani/Persian music is very much similar to Hindustani. So yes, eastern is fine
@@Kyuundaime Zakir Hussain did not coin the term 'eastern' wrt music or cultural artefacts in general. It was western Orientalists who did it, starting with the colonial era. Also, there are no separate classical music traditions in Afghanistan or Iran. Folk traditions, yes. Most of Afghanistan and eastern Iran were part of the Indian civilizational realm for almost all of ancient and for large parts of classical history. Hindustani classical is nothing but pre-classification Indian classical tradition assimilating and developing certain superficial elements introduced by long-term Turko-Arabic and Persian rule in northern India. Else there would be no separate 'Hindustani' or 'Carnatic' music today but simply Bharatiya Shastriya Sangeet with its regional flavours, schools, lineages.
It takes decades of utmost perseverance & patience to practice to master these styles…..it is not something which is to be done by autotunes now a days…..
Thats why Indian Classical in music and dance is something you learn from a young age.
We hindustanis did what we wanted. Thousands of years ago when people did what they loved and did until they died, continuing for centuries. Do music for thousands of years and you get this. But the best singers were centuries ago or millenniums ago. EVER HEARD OF TANSEN JI, USTAD BADE GHULAM ALI KHAN, PANDIT BHIMSEN JOSHI...
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Dont just add east indian have their unique things, our whole classical music had nothing to do with any other eastern countries. Yes we share spirituality in east but that dosent mean everything we have similar
That is not entirely true. All the Asian civilizations have evolved their own set of melodic modes, particularly Mesopotamian and Chinese. Many of such modes from Arabic lands, Khmer lands and China are borrowed into our system and called as raag. Hindustani system is an apt example of merging of 2 systems of musics. Please do go through the history of individual raags. Art like commodities were always exchanged between ally countries. Almost nothing is entirely indigenous in the world, everything evolves by borrowing little from others at some point of time.
Hear Arabic, Afghani Ghazals etc. Views might change
@@opnandan Indian classical music was largely especially carnatic music was untouched by mughal invaders so it's absolutely Indian whereas hindustani classical music was forced in less austere concepts like khyal and few urdu concepts because of which it diverged from shastrya Sangeet
It is very essential to know what is "S a Ri Ga Ma Pa" to know Indian music. And one must not compare Western and Indian music ! The Indian classical music is as old as Vedic times !
It is not Eastern music it is Indian music..n yes western music is way easier than Indian classical music..
You guys are really touching the heart of India..Good to see you
Korbin: "We have seen a lot"
Me: You know nothing Jon Snow!😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yessss today all the videos on music😍😍 And the kind of excited Rick was at the beginning of the video gettin chills, that's me everytime I do music or learn something new in it😍
The weather seems to have a great influence on the way we speak, sing and also the way language and words have evolved. Owing to the tropical weather especially in India especially in the south of it, most time of the year is hot. So to be able to communicate so effectively without losing energy words have to be short and with less syllables. So music had also evolved with great ornamentation.
this is an interesting theory. Like the mountain peoples who live in windy areas, or on the steppe and desert expanses, they have mastered ringing and vibrating voices. And it is also very interesting to observe the speech of the Arctic peoples (I am from Russia), their language contains a lot of chest sounds, and in order to pronounce words, you almost do not need to open your mouth wide, there are few vowels besides. I think it somehow helps to keep warm when talking in cold weather.
Thats meend in Hindustani. Meend in Hindustani is Gamak of Carnatic.
No.
Any ornamentation in Carnatic is called Gamak.
@@Kyuundaime ohh ok
No. Gamaks and meend are two different concepts.
There is a reason why India is called "Vishwa Guru" or world leader when it comes to culture and learnings.
The best part about you guys is that you accept that you don’t know and hence your thirsty for knowledge and wisdom. Thanks for these reactions as it add to our wisdom too. Cheers
The first set of notes she used to demonstrate the use of gamakas is the ascending scale of the Raga Khamas, derived from the Major raga Harikhamboji
REACT TO ALL THE SONGS OF THE MOVIE 'PAKEEZAH' WHICH WAS RELEASED IN THE YEAR 1971
Really appreciate your taste for music, appreciation and patience. Music is universal any way .
U never had done much Carnatic.
First thy don't understand dere is differnce between eastern n indian music. Thy r constantly call it eastern music
@@Iranianmushrik It's so obvious that's because they are stupid... And we, "stupid babies" still watch their stupid reactions. Actually wait, nah that's not true... Even I can't understand Carnatic how come they understand??
@@sizesnowy9302 no I unsubscribed thm long back it's jus I was delting my few notification mails, so I thought to see this videos particularly abt raga not their reactions.
@@sizesnowy9302 India is so vast in evrysense evn we can't be able to know all it's surfaces so thy started jus one or two yrs back .
2:30 to 2:32 that laugh Rick like you are very excited like a child
That was only one part of the ocean of Indian Classical Music.. The Carnatic one. The other part is Hindustani Classical where the Gamakas are applied in a different ways
These are aspects that we're learning about thanks to your reaction video! Thanks for your interesting reaction to Carnatic music.
Complex yet simple....and....simple yet complex.....indian classical music...
See.. how. Deep is Indian music... Lord Shiva....🙏🕉️
AWESOME....so informative
Its so interesting to c u guys excited over these informative music videos 😁.... also i m learning so much.
Carnatic Music, also known as Karnataka Sangeetha is a form of music unique to South India. While north India follows Hindustani music, southern states of Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, Telangana, Tamil Nadu and Kerala are known for Carnatic Music performances.
You must listen to Rahul Deshpande. He is the grandson of legendary Vasantrao Deshpande and is a contemporary of Mahesh Kale. Also dear Korbin you have barely scratched the Indian music surface in the last 1.5 year 😀 you will continue to be surprised as you listen to more.
Gamakas are just one thing in alankar of music , there are thumri , meend ,khatka ,etc
Bruh they just meant east of Europe and the Americas (south and north) . While they say East, they are saying that African and Asian music are quite different from the European music which is more of choral music that sound quite soft
The beauty of classical music is that everything is documented and has rules yet it is not rigid. A maestro can totally improvise and riff off. In fact some feel that it is the very rules which gives them the freedom. Very counterintuitive isn't it?
Superb info...
This is not eastern music dear Rick this is indian music
This is high time when you should interview Mahesh Kale... The is the best person who may be able to talk and relate Indian Classical music with Western music... I am really looking forward to see when that happens...
I personally did Tweet Mahesh in Marathi, did not get any response...Perhaps some of our OSR family may have better connection with him to get him t agree to come on channel for interview...
Another musian is Dr L Subramanim. He is an MD, a prominent Carnatic violinist, and has a Masters's degree in Western music. He also composes for The New York Philharmonic Orchestra. His wife is Kavita Krishnamurthy.
@@WizInsight108 just that Rick and Korbin has reference to the work of Mahesh Kale... and perhaps has more things to break the ice and keep the conversation bit relevant... Just a thought...
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🙃 True. I guess I get too excited when it comes to classical music (both Hindustani and Carnatic) 😁
If you're feeling confused, trust me even Indians who have studied a little bit of music, it's difficult for them.
Heaven has a sound and that's Indian Classical ❤️
If it is of interest, the 'Maestro', Satyajit Ray was equally learned in Indian classical ( Karnatic, Hindustani...) and pure Western Classical including orchestral and chamber. In fact, he used his deep knowledge and talent in music to create his own unique scores of many of his iconic films! You can google...
7:38 You are right Korbin Asian music like Hindi , Persian , turkish , and Arabic is way harder and has strict rules like 1/4 tune in arabic singing which doesn't exist in western music..
watch the movie ‘The Disciple’ directed by Chaitanya Tamhane (Court fame). It’s about a hindustani classical singing disciple and the Guru-Shishya(student) tradition
Kandha sashti kavasam (Lord Karthikeya) song has it all 🧜♂️🦚
'Kannum kannum kalandhu" dance song from old Tamil movie Vanjikkottai valiban. Please react to this song!
One of the songs she sang “ ninnu kori varanam “. Listen to it . Sung by KS Chitra
Indian classical music is a never ending sea. Because it can go on for years. There is still more to lear these things are kind of basic
Brilliant thought Rick
Helping me too
You guys awesomely funny 😄
The example she used for the third gamaka - the song "ninni kori varnam" is a beautiful song by Illayaraja... Sung by Chitra if I am not mistaken
Merry Christmas people.🥳🥳🥳
To master gamakas, beyond technical training, you need to build a malleable consciousness. Light bends with gravity. This was considered to be impossible till Einstein proved it! Malleable cultures create innovation through different spokes. Music is one such spoke. In mathematical or statistical terms, gamakas are the logistic curves between notes while western music is built on linear models which are straight lines.
Wow! Thanks for explaining it so well! Loved the part where you talked about the need to have a "malleable consciousness" beyond the technical training. I could always relate to it but was unable to express what it was!
@@ananyaa6664 Thanks. I am no expert in Indian classical music but I feel that given the inherent mathematical nature of all our ancient concepts, there is more to a sliding gamaka than just artistic value. If I have to get even more mathematical, the technique of 'sliding' from one note to another is like seeing music from the lens of calculus. Curved mathematical models sometimes explain data better. We can code every note as a data point, observe all the datapoints of a particular raaga as a part of a larger composition and then try anf understand better the nature of what people sing. Malleability of consciousness means that we recognize the dynamic nature of the universe and constantly keep re-tuning ourselves to the new manifestations even though the basic vibrations don't change.
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So now is it going to be our less stupid reactions?
Please react on ye shwasa tho cherithe... telugu song....sung by chitra mam
Who dislikes such an amazing video, I wonder???
1:07 I mean you have to make memes now 🤣🤣
Hullo! Your western SYMPHONIES are the inspiration for film songs. This how these songs could get layered music. Sound wise these symphonies are way too elegant and very complex in conception. Many many Indians are quite addicted to these western symphonies.
Did you people notice she didn't sing any Bolliwood songs
She sang kannamane
Bollywood is not based on Carnatic music
@@natureandworld2875 kehna hi kya is the karnatic song she referred to in the video (which is a bollywood song)
@@shreeyanagar kehna song is again borrowed from south,precisely Tamil so bollywood only copied it ,that's what I meant as most of later bollywood songs are plagiarism s
Think of these as a formalization of glissandos/glides. You should go back to the video on raaga a few times. Each raaga picks a limited set of notes, add these gamakas, and creates signatures for the raaga. This combo creates a mood for the raaga. By just choosing the right raaga for composing your movie song, half your work is already done!
The other component you will discover some day is the tala or laya (i.e rhythm). The Indian rhythm/percussion system (esp. the Karnatik) is unmatched in this world by miles. Not only is the system very rigorous, but in India there is a whole concept of vocal percussion (konnakol or solkattu in the South & Bol in the North) where you can just sing out an entire complex percussion piece and let each percussionist play it in sync. You've occasionally heard these vocal phrases (thaka thakita, takadimi, etc) left in songs. A simple vocal percussion phrase could be a mind-blogging switch covering a 3-tuple, 4-tuple, 5-tuple, 7-tuple, and 9-tuple all in a SINGLE sentence! The Indian percussion foundation is the secret sauce of many Indian composers like A.R.Rahman, and an inspiration to performers like John Mclaughlin and even Freddie Mercury.
Just to share the actual history of musical notes introduced by Lord Shiva 7000+ years ago:
Based on the sounds of seven creatures, Shiva evolved the surasaptaka. This seven-note scale, which made the rhythm sweeter and more graceful, includes the sounds of śad́aja [peacock], rśabha [ox], gándhára [goat], madhyama [horse], paiṋcama [cuckoo], dhaevata [ass] and niśáda [elephant]. By taking the initials of the seven sounds - sá from śad́aja, re from rśabha, gá from gándhára, má from madhyama, pá from paiṋcama, dhá from dhaevata and ni from niśáda - Shiva made the surasaptaka sá-re-gá-má-pá-dhá-ni; and at the eighth step, the first sound is repeated, although on a different level [of pitch]. In those regions of the world where the influence of Shiva was less, there, in the eighth note of this surasaptaka, there is a little difference (through permutation and combination, endless varieties of sound can be produced), so the second sá is not exactly the same as the first, so in [Western] music, we find do-re-mi-fa-sol-la-ti-do: in other words, do is repeated, and it is counted as part of the scale. That is why instead of saying surasaptaka ["seven-note musical scale"] [Western] musicians call their scale an "octave".(2)]]
Thus by inventing the seven musical notes, Shiva made the world of rhythms sweeter and more delightful. This was no ordinary achievement.
The music of the present-day world is entirely based on these seven musical notes. It is a matter of great regret that people have forgotten this science of music, whose foundation was laid by the intense efforts of Shiva. Nowadays, instead of considering music as a valuable asset to spiritual practice, they take it as a hobby, a means of livelihood, or a mere pastime. The arduous effort which Shiva invested in this science is conspicuously absent today.
By Shrii Shrii Anandamurti
Shiva - the Embodiment of Saḿgiita
19 April 1982, Kolkata
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A CHILD starts learning at 6 but her first stage performance( ARANGETRAM) may be when she is about 15..18.
You know Great violinists Kumari.KANYAKUMARI was even performing accompanying great vocalists of 1960..70s But
ALL INDIA RADIO , the only public mass platform fir any performer in thise days did not accept her even to accompany very great singers in their programmes in studio since SHE WAS BELOW 18..That shows how the tradition brought discipline
In the art.
Today in the name of FUSION the art is adulterated .END OF PURE CLASSICAL ERA?
Try to check about SAMAVEDA, It was dedicated to just songs and music
All sound originates from OHM 😇 u may have noticed that often.
We have 4 kind of Vedas . Rig Veda speaks about details of music , dance etc. Our music and dance will be in more numbers compare to the whole world numbers. It is countless varities of dances and types of music in india
Yes guys its Indian music but sometimes we also refer their stuff as western so its just a tongue slip relax we grew up with these things and passionate about it but they don't still they are learning u can correct him but please be respectful
You'll need several lifetimes to understand even a part of Indian Classical Music, especially Carnatic Music
Wow so motivating !
@@jemaime1657 no need for sarcasm. It's a fact
@@smitas65 there's lots of stuff which takes more than lifetime to learn and reach the depth of it but people do try to learn them and they clearly seems interested so you dont have to demotivate them to make it sound glorifying , which it is already
@@jemaime1657 You're taking an unnecessarily subjective view of this. This is not my statement (about learning taking a lifetime), but a reproduction of the statements of exponents and maestros of this genre, who are themselves humbled by the sheer expanse of this universe. If such a thing demotivates you or deflates you, then obviously this is not for you. It is for people who are looking for enrichment and growth, not people who want mastery and control. So stop interpreting my comment based on your negative perception. It is what it is, a genre that took centuries in the making, and that cannot be learnt in one lifetime.
@@smitas65 Negative perception ? Anyone can read your comment and say its a demotivating speech. According to you no one can learn and understand even a part of Indian classic in one lifetime now thats a hell of exaggeration. I know it has depths and structures to it but what you're stating is just a hyperbolic statement and I just stated what I felt from your comment even if your intentions are pure your comment does carry a sense of demotivating tone as you make it sound like unapproachable . And stop being so sensitive to criticism. UA-cam gives the option of comment underneath comment so I can express my feelings towards a comment with respect. Now thats youtube for you and if you dont like it simply dont comment anything
this is a lifetime of work...you do not learn this overnight
Yes western is easy for us after classical , even in dance if we learn classical then western dance form are easy for us not that easy but quiet easy
Explore the songs or John B Higgins who sang Carnatic music
Carnatic Music is the Mother to all the forms of music. If u master it u can sing any form of music around the world!
So is Bharathanatyam! Lord Shiva's (Nataraja) cosmic dance!
When Lord Shiva played his Udukkai instrument the two sounds came out became Sanskrit and Tamil. So these two languages were the first non-identical twin languages of the cosmos! The Sanskrit or the Samaskritham was used by the Devas(Gods) and the Tamil language was used by the people of the world.
Excellent 👍
Actually, way back during Greek times the Greek music probably resembled Indian music, ie more melodius. It all changed when Church chorus music became dominant. This required males and females as well as people with many pitches to sing together. This made the composers write simpler melodies, with minimal gamakas, so that harmony can be preserved. Over time, Mozart and all realized that harmony of instruments can create majestic music even with simple melodies. So here we are now… western music dominated by emphasis on harmony and Indian taking the “serial” route where there is no harmony but incredibly complex melodies filled with gamakas of all sorts.
The harmony in indian movie songs is borrowed from Western music. It is not part of Indian classical.
Please Please review Sridevi’s movies Mr.India, Lamhe, and Chaalbaaz.. Sridevi won FILMFARE awards for two of these..
I find something elementally linked between Sean Nos and Gamakas.
We do grow up more exposed to western music. Harmony is one thing especially absent in Indian classical music. But listen to ilaiyaraaja and how he effortlessly combines western music with Carnatic music. It’s not fusion. It’s a genre on its own called Ilaiyaraaja. Please react to “Ninnu Korri Varnam” from movie Agni Natchatiram.
Please start watching "Bandish Bandits"
Don't be fooled by the trailer...
My introduction to western music was "sound of music" movie.
Thing with sliding is you cannot go to the off raga note. Sliding has to be very specific.
React to Yesudas sir's Toronto interview 1993.. he is one of the musical legends of india..
React to m.s.subbalakshmi
The Carnatic music legend
Can you react to this semi-classical bollywood song 'Ye Moh Moh Ke Dhaage' by Papon. Pure melody🎵
I think without Gamakas, 'western' music is very focused on either sustained clean notes or motivated vibrato.
React to "Kite (patang)" short animation film.
They'll watch it on Makar Sankranti. Wait for few more days!
Its Indian And please for god sake dont mix it with Asian music
5:43 you should react to this song. It's from kandukondain kandukondain. You can see Aishwarya Rai dancing in it.
Please see episode of Anuja Kamat on ornamentation in Indian Classical Music.
You have already reacted to two of her videos on UA-cam
It's name is carnatic music, but it is heavy influenced by telugu , literally all the names of the gamakas are in telugu
0:17. Someone needs to check up on Korbins wife 😳
Merry Christmas and happy new years you guys and yes this video gave a good explanation to classical music. 👍🏼❤
Hey guys....will you please react to Rahul Deshpande...
🙏🙏🙏Congratulations guys. You two just carried some water in your palms from the sea called Carnatic Music.
its karnataka music
@@chandannag304 Carnatic Music, Karnatic music, Karnataka Sangeetham, Karnatak sangeet... people call it differently
If you would like to try another culture, how about Tuvan throat-singing.