I have that same vise. Its a good one. I put 2" ash in there for the sliding jaw. Hickory would be just as good. You might want to go back and counter bore those screws you put in the fixed jaw. with that soft pine you may end up with a nice embossed screw head on whatever you clamp in there!
I have been watching your videos, on and off, for the last 3 years. You are freakin' brilliant with your woodworking, in my opinion. I love the work you do & wish I had the ability you have. Thank you for sharing your skills with us.
Great video Jay! I love how relaxed you are... felt like I was in the shop chatting with you while you worked. I've still been meaning to make your pipe clamp vise.
instead of using à dowel into the vise jaw you can also make a u shape wooden block to fit on the jaw it will allow you to place it were you want on the jaw in case of irregular shape
Not sure if this is old school, but I have seen so many woodworking high end shows that store their sets of wood planes with the blade down. I was taught that you set the plane on its side, the reason being that should the plane be pushed of shoved it can not come in contact with a nail, screw or something of such that would chip or dull the blade. That also include storage of the plane, I would think that the blade down would be OK if it was on a piece of carpet or some sort of soft material. Just food for thought.
R. Catton , blade down 90% Of the time! of course it depends on circumstance. Like you said, the idea is to protect the blade. If you're placing it flat on a wood surface, there is little or no risk of damage, as soon as the blade is exposed because the plane is on it's side, the risk to bump it with something and cause damage increases. If you're placing down on a hard surface (metal, tile etc... ) then on the side is the right way to do it!
nice thanks Jay. Like you I enjoy moving my shop around also. I keep looking for that secret constant work flow. Problem is as we get older these damn tools get heavier. Thanks
Loved the video Jay! Especially the part with multiple Jays. Really love your editing, watching the chiseling segment inspired the thought of you possibly integrating the use of different techniques on projects that have identical components with multiples of you working around the shop say one using traditional tools anouther using power tools .... and the idea grows and grows. Probably be an editing nightmare. Lol again love all the edits in your videos love what you have going on, I've been following for years and have always been inspired by your work
Watched this one a couple of times for info on a vise.... just noticed the "Newk's" cup on the bench, we just had one built locally, great place, we've probably got 20 of those cups, lol. Keep up the great videos!
Great video Jay, I have been doing soooo much of this type of workshop optimisation recently. Lots of 5S type activity and clearing making custom areas to store things. Any horizontal space or wall space has been attacked and revised to be more efficient at storage or tool placement. I'm merging good engineering practice with casey neistat studio style guerilla organising! dont be too precious with things, and make it work for you! :D thats the mantra i'm trying to adopt anyway... another great video, I'm still trying to make time to do another and its been over a month now i think!
Thanks Jay. I'll have to do an updated shop tour video at some point. seems to change a little bit every other week. Im actually sitting on sketchup right now drawing up plans for a mobile planer stand, mobile bandsaw stand and new workbench (cant decide on paulk vs your heavy duty style) also on wheels, with holes for MFT style clamps. The dilemma of using a table that can also have the wholes all the way through for the rail clamps....decisions decisions. Also using steel for making frames to save space, 20mm box section! every little helps!
After watching a number of your videos, I am demolishing part of my shop to create more space and create greater workflow.....after 15 years....lol. thanks Jay
Jay Bates 2 easier than cleaning up my former storefront 15 years ago that was burned down by my Photographer neighbor who was cooking meth......lmfao🤣
Haha i just noticed this as well, the sound is great. Not woodwork related, but what mic/recorder setup do you use Jay? I've got a giant squid lapel mic and a tascam dr05mk2 which is OK but a bit noisy.
I suppose a table router is the obvious choice, but I'll admit to using a metal milling machine, and clamping the work piece directly to the table. The biggest problem is keeping the wood from getting oily marks on it, but it makes for very accurate, and easy to do rebates.
Looks great Jay. Do you think just 2 screws will be sufficient to hold the active jaw when you apply pressure to the dogs if something is a slightly irregular shape?
They were 1/4" diameter screws going nearly the full depth of the jaw. I think they will be sufficient. If not, a counterbore on the inside and a bolt is a really quick fix.
Hi J, just a small suggestion from an old & busted guy. I noticed your kicks and while you are young, they work. However, time catches us all and you might look into a better shoe to save your knees, back, hips. Just my experience.
Can you suggest a better shoe? I've got short, wide feet. They like the short boat paddles you give to kids lol. New Balance are the best fitting brand I've found.
Hi J, thank you for the response. My knees are bone on bone. Just can't afford to have them replaced. I had my stride analyzed at a running store and they recommended Asics. They are very, very expensive, but worth every penny. I can stand on concrete floors for hours and feel no fatigue. I can work all day and sleep at night. Best suggestion, go to a running store and have them analyze your stride, gate and stance and go from there.
ProspectorBill like tools, there are some things worth spending more money on. GOOD shoes (not just expensive because of brand) and a GOOD bed. We spend so much time on our feet, and almost all of the rest of our time in bed, so it just makes sense to buy quality there! And I agree, ASICS are nice shoes to wear, mine are due for an upgrade now going into their fourth summer of use
Pretty new to woodworking. Is there a reason to go with the drill press to cut the recess as opposed to a router or just personal preference? Guess it's a bit easier to line up without having to get fancy with fences, jigs etc.
You could always save some space in the pine boards by using square steel (like the dog in your vise) instead of dowels. Won't need to be even half as thick. How's your dog with the bad trachea doing?
I haven’t been able to find this info anywhere else... Is there an agreed-upon ratio of how wide your wooden vise cheeks can be, compared to the width of the metal jaws? I’m trying to plan a mini-bench with an older 6” Sears vise, and I’d love to have it be a 12” full-width “end vise” like this. I’m guessing wood species has something to do with it too - I have some ultra dense sapele at my disposal to experiment with.
Dude - #HAILSTATE Grad here ! just came across your channel at random and saw your msu flag on the door. Excellent content and I look forward to browsing your channel even more! New to woodworking myself and live in Jackson, MS. Thanks for a great video!
I have a Yost face vice, but I'm planning on putting aprons on my bench now. What are your thoughts on mounting the face vice on the end of the bench the way you've mounted yours m
I just installed this exact same vice on the end of my bench. I bought a piece of live-edge oak (just over 1 inch thick) from my local DIY store, cut it down to make the jaws. I did't go complete width with the oak jaws however. Don't know why, they're about 38cm in length. Liked the idea about using the Forstner bit to drill out the recess. I used a router, which I started to regret as soon as I began. Worked anyway but with a lot of patience and a thousand times more dust than you caused Jay 🤪
Jay did you modify the base of your assembly table? Looks like you added more support from the bottom shelf to the top? I'm building this table at the moment(well past couple months haha).
although you sounded not as your usual self, i liked the approach and the way your done it. love your work space. question with your previous nose problems, and it sounded you still have some issues, why didn't you used a mask when you used your tools? no critic just wondering. keep them coming, and i hope your health is picking up soon.
Can you offer advice when, after installation, the bottom of the jaws have 1 1/16+ separation? The inside rear jaw is plumb, as is the front of the workbench? Thanks
This is the end vise: amzn.to/2qIdXVL and this is the small plane: amzn.to/2qFBSFC I had a few hours to kill before computer work so I thought I would go to the shop and record whatever it is that I decided to do. In this case, I decided to make new jaws for my relocated end vise.
tom silva from this old house says he uses a little plane like that all over the place, even with all the high precision cutting gear he shows up with, the host was like," you have a $ 3,000.00 dollar saw and you fix the cuts with a $ 10.00 dollar plane , how bout that"
Jay I would like to thank you for all the great content you create and offer a couple Ideas for you to consider Lee Valley tools has some great new hardware for bench dogs and end vises also I would offer the idea of adding the bench dog to the outside of the jaw in a pocket set on the outside face instead of setting it into the jaw
If you left the piece of wood on the sliding side of the vice just 1/4 or 3/8 proud/taller of the bench/stationary side, than that would work as both a plane stop, and a super wide dog to clamp panels with. Then you don't have to put holes for dowels or dogs in the piece of wood. Let me know what cons you see with doing that, because I might do that on my bench if there is not a fatal flaw.
I would not do that if I were you. Here's why: if you have a long workpiece that you're doing layout on, or some assembly you're trying to put together, and it overhangs the length of the bench, it would be propped up on that one end, which you don't want. So having a dog in the vise that can be lowered below the surface of the bench would be a nice benefit.
Yeah, I don't see that as a problem. A workbench has 6 to 7 feet of top, plus overhang on the other side. I find I need a plane stop and end vice way more than I build 9 foot long pieces of furniture that have to be assembled on top the workbench. I still think it is a good idea, plus you can always just remove it if you find it gets in the way for a rare project.
i don't even know how i know this , but it works, wet the wood with a shop towel , throw the towel on the floor , rub the towel over both pieces, and wipe it down with a dry towel, vwalla, they match
Wow, I went looking for EXACTLY this idea and you demonstrated it beautifully! I will be working on doing this tomorrow. Thanks a million!!
Much racking? I plan to do the exact same thing
that little Stanley is my best plane! I find it very useful for quick things like chamfers and minor glue clean up.
I have that same vise. Its a good one. I put 2" ash in there for the sliding jaw. Hickory would be just as good. You might want to go back and counter bore those screws you put in the fixed jaw. with that soft pine you may end up with a nice embossed screw head on whatever you clamp in there!
They are countersunk below the surface.
ahhhhh. carry on then...lol
Man what a huge vise opening you have, I can fit my all bench inside it 😀
Hello, excellent. thank you for sharing.
I have been watching your videos, on and off, for the last 3 years. You are freakin' brilliant with your woodworking, in my opinion. I love the work you do & wish I had the ability you have. Thank you for sharing your skills with us.
Thank you for the feedback.
Good video
Great video Jay! I love how relaxed you are... felt like I was in the shop chatting with you while you worked. I've still been meaning to make your pipe clamp vise.
Thanks Jay
9:32 your hello 😨 got me shock 😂
Great video, like the natural flowing feel. Plus I have a similar vice to fit to my workbench, so that helps!
Am I the only one that thinks Jay is the best woodworking video editor on UA-cam?
Nice work man.
You're too kind ;) Thank you.
Brilliant solution for an end vise.... going to use this for the bench I just built! Thank you for sharing this..
instead of using à dowel into the vise jaw you can also make a u shape wooden block to fit on the jaw it will allow you to place it were you want on the jaw in case of irregular shape
Greetings from Iceland. Your channel is a must. For learning and ideas.
Awesome! Love the moved end vise!
That "Hello" freaked me out.. Was looking away at just that moment... Fuck that was scary!
Howdy.
Hello Jay. Great addition to the bench.
Not sure if this is old school, but I have seen so many woodworking high end shows that store their sets of wood planes with the blade down. I was taught that you set the plane on its side, the reason being that should the plane be pushed of shoved it can not come in contact with a nail, screw or something of such that would chip or dull the blade. That also include storage of the plane, I would think that the blade down would be OK if it was on a piece of carpet or some sort of soft material. Just food for thought.
R. Catton , blade down 90% Of the time! of course it depends on circumstance. Like you said, the idea is to protect the blade. If you're placing it flat on a wood surface, there is little or no risk of damage, as soon as the blade is exposed because the plane is on it's side, the risk to bump it with something and cause damage increases. If you're placing down on a hard surface (metal, tile etc... ) then on the side is the right way to do it!
The blade being exposed greatly increases the chances for damage.
Hi there from Portugal,
Nice idea :D
Obrigado(Thanks)
“It’s just a work bench”
5 mins later...
“I’m just feathering out the contrast”
I have a Newk's cup on my workbench too!
Newks!
Jay trying out dry humor. I like it.
Nice little vice and jaws jay!
really like the vise you were using . what is the name or model of that vise?
The Woodcraft site has a ton of different vises like that
Enjoyed seeing how you did that
nice thanks Jay. Like you I enjoy moving my shop around also. I keep looking for that secret constant work flow. Problem is as we get older these damn tools get heavier. Thanks
Heavier and heavier! So true, brother.
Where do you buy the little block plane
I like your worK. Good job.
Hey, Jay. Or should I say.......Hello.
Love that little block plane. I've got one myself and use it all the time.
What is that little plane called?
What's happened to the podcast, not heard an episode for some tome !
Listen to the most recent one.
Loved the video Jay! Especially the part with multiple Jays. Really love your editing, watching the chiseling segment inspired the thought of you possibly integrating the use of different techniques on projects that have identical components with multiples of you working around the shop say one using traditional tools anouther using power tools .... and the idea grows and grows. Probably be an editing nightmare. Lol again love all the edits in your videos love what you have going on, I've been following for years and have always been inspired by your work
Watched this one a couple of times for info on a vise.... just noticed the "Newk's" cup on the bench, we just had one built locally, great place, we've probably got 20 of those cups, lol. Keep up the great videos!
I enjoyed this vid more than your others.. Keep your chin up... Have a good one too!
You have vises coming out of your...good video.
I'm building this as we speak in the UK excellent woodworking bench👍
It's nice working with soft Pine occasionally after working with Sapele and Maple lately.
Great video Jay, I have been doing soooo much of this type of workshop optimisation recently. Lots of 5S type activity and clearing making custom areas to store things. Any horizontal space or wall space has been attacked and revised to be more efficient at storage or tool placement. I'm merging good engineering practice with casey neistat studio style guerilla organising! dont be too precious with things, and make it work for you! :D thats the mantra i'm trying to adopt anyway...
another great video, I'm still trying to make time to do another and its been over a month now i think!
Well said.
Thanks Jay. I'll have to do an updated shop tour video at some point. seems to change a little bit every other week. Im actually sitting on sketchup right now drawing up plans for a mobile planer stand, mobile bandsaw stand and new workbench (cant decide on paulk vs your heavy duty style) also on wheels, with holes for MFT style clamps. The dilemma of using a table that can also have the wholes all the way through for the rail clamps....decisions decisions. Also using steel for making frames to save space, 20mm box section! every little helps!
Why did you need to have the one side of the vise flush with the side of the table? All that needs to be flush are the top of the two pieces of pine.
After watching a number of your videos, I am demolishing part of my shop to create more space and create greater workflow.....after 15 years....lol. thanks Jay
Sorry! ;)
Jay Bates 2 easier than cleaning up my former storefront 15 years ago that was burned down by my Photographer neighbor who was cooking meth......lmfao🤣
That's going to be a very useful tool for you (and others)! Thanks for taking us along. Was fun even though I wasn't there to watch?
great video jay very informative the type i like to watch
Nice work my friend!
pantorouter? nice my man!
Yes.
Man you really seem down in the dumps, not much enthusiasm. You ok?
lol. I'm fine. Introvert by nature. All is well.
Jay Bates 2 I was going to ask that same question. Glad everything is alright!
MrHalloweenFreak I had the same thought
Sounds like your sinus is acting up. Hope you get better soon.
Jay, you should make your next video a musical. Then, no matter what you say, it'll seem happy.
I just noticed the hat mic. You sound great. I'll have to try that.
Sooooooooooooo much better than clipping it on the front of the shirt. More consistent audio as well.
Maybe I should start wearing a hat?
Jay Bates 2 Definetly agree that your voice came through crystal clear!
Haha i just noticed this as well, the sound is great.
Not woodwork related, but what mic/recorder setup do you use Jay? I've got a giant squid lapel mic and a tascam dr05mk2 which is OK but a bit noisy.
See this page: jayscustomcreations.com/home/tools-resources/
I won't have thought to use a Drill Press to remove the material for the metal vise, nice idea.
I suppose a table router is the obvious choice, but I'll admit to using a metal milling machine, and clamping the work piece directly to the table. The biggest problem is keeping the wood from getting oily marks on it, but it makes for very accurate, and easy to do rebates.
Looks great Jay. Do you think just 2 screws will be sufficient to hold the active jaw when you apply pressure to the dogs if something is a slightly irregular shape?
They were 1/4" diameter screws going nearly the full depth of the jaw. I think they will be sufficient. If not, a counterbore on the inside and a bolt is a really quick fix.
Great project and 9:33 made me lol
take a scrap 2x4 put the dowels in that pin it in the vice to use the dog holes. now you won't need to spend more money or time on those boards.
Hi J, just a small suggestion from an old & busted guy. I noticed your kicks and while you are young, they work. However, time catches us all and you might look into a better shoe to save your knees, back, hips. Just my experience.
Can you suggest a better shoe? I've got short, wide feet. They like the short boat paddles you give to kids lol. New Balance are the best fitting brand I've found.
Hi J, thank you for the response. My knees are bone on bone. Just can't afford to have them replaced. I had my stride analyzed at a running store and they recommended Asics. They are very, very expensive, but worth every penny. I can stand on concrete floors for hours and feel no fatigue. I can work all day and sleep at night. Best suggestion, go to a running store and have them analyze your stride, gate and stance and go from there.
ProspectorBill like tools, there are some things worth spending more money on. GOOD shoes (not just expensive because of brand) and a GOOD bed. We spend so much time on our feet, and almost all of the rest of our time in bed, so it just makes sense to buy quality there! And I agree, ASICS are nice shoes to wear, mine are due for an upgrade now going into their fourth summer of use
Jay, What kind/brand of vise is that? Have you mentioned it on another video. I can't recall.
It is this vise: amzn.to/2qK5LDR
Thanks!
Jay Bates 2 - Vlog and Non Project Videos
That's a nice vice can you tell me what it is. Thanks
It is this vise: amzn.to/2qK5LDR
Nice video.
How has it worked out for you?
Best wishes from Australia
I love the new camera angles
Thank you for the feedback.
Did he say which vice that is?
Looks like a 10" Eclipse.
Scott Wood, Thanks!
Pretty new to woodworking. Is there a reason to go with the drill press to cut the recess as opposed to a router or just personal preference? Guess it's a bit easier to line up without having to get fancy with fences, jigs etc.
Personal preference. The drill press produces larger chips which are easier to pick up. The router produces a lot more dust. I hate dust.
Hello , what plane is the big one u using , nice video 👍
So easy and no effort used if you have all the machinery tools
What brand of vise is it
It is this vise: amzn.to/2qK5LDR
I'm still in love with your bench.
;-)
Nice. Me too :)
You could always save some space in the pine boards by using square steel (like the dog in your vise) instead of dowels.
Won't need to be even half as thick.
How's your dog with the bad trachea doing?
She's doing alright. Managing it with medicine. She's the happiest dog I've ever seen :)
JAY, you make it look so easy, nice work, throw some tung oil on it.
I haven’t been able to find this info anywhere else... Is there an agreed-upon ratio of how wide your wooden vise cheeks can be, compared to the width of the metal jaws?
I’m trying to plan a mini-bench with an older 6” Sears vise, and I’d love to have it be a 12” full-width “end vise” like this. I’m guessing wood species has something to do with it too - I have some ultra dense sapele at my disposal to experiment with.
Once you have this multiple dog system set up, do you think you can get enough clamping force for larger glue ups?
Dude - #HAILSTATE Grad here ! just came across your channel at random and saw your msu flag on the door. Excellent content and I look forward to browsing your channel even more! New to woodworking myself and live in Jackson, MS. Thanks for a great video!
I like it!! 👍🏻👍🏻
Is that a pantorouter in the background? Did I miss something?!
You must not follow me on instagram or facebook.;)
I thought I did on Facebook. Maybe not... I don't even have Instagram. 😖
Insta-what? ;)
Jay Bates 2 You kids and your techno-whatsits these days.
What end vice is that?
Never mind, found it in the comments.
Thank you for reading the comments :)
That combo square look really long in the Video. How are things going in your life my friend
16" combination square. Life is great :)
Just dipping my toes in the hand plane waters. What size plane did you use to trim the jaws? Was that a 5 (jack?) or a 7 maybe?
old #7
I have a Yost face vice, but I'm planning on putting aprons on my bench now. What are your thoughts on mounting the face vice on the end of the bench the way you've mounted yours m
Odd grip when using your cross cut saw! In the UK we use our finger to guide the saw, keeping it straight.
Just wondering did you do a video on the Dog holes? As that looks cool
I don't think I did a video on them.
Glad you didnt go with those 300$rip offs. 300$ for a bloody screw is taking a piss!
with such wide jaws, do you get much racking?
Do you prefer this mount over what you have in the original plans? I just received my vise today and now I'm second guessing what I should do.
Jay, who is the maker of the vice and where did. you purchase it from, Thank You.
Eclipse: jayscustomcreations.com/home/tools-resources/
Hey Jay, how do you deal with rust and humidity in your shop? Thanks!
I installed a minisplit air conditioner/heat pump. Before that, I had rust problems constantly.
Oh ok, thank you!
I just installed this exact same vice on the end of my bench. I bought a piece of live-edge oak (just over 1 inch thick) from my local DIY store, cut it down to make the jaws. I did't go complete width with the oak jaws however. Don't know why, they're about 38cm in length. Liked the idea about using the Forstner bit to drill out the recess. I used a router, which I started to regret as soon as I began. Worked anyway but with a lot of patience and a thousand times more dust than you caused Jay 🤪
Robert W. what is the model of vince?
anyone know what kind of vise that is?
Jay did you modify the base of your assembly table? Looks like you added more support from the bottom shelf to the top? I'm building this table at the moment(well past couple months haha).
Have a similar situation with vise. M Mine is a 7" Ductile Yost. How long can make the jaws more than 15"?
although you sounded not as your usual self, i liked the approach and the way your done it. love your work space. question with your previous nose problems, and it sounded you still have some issues, why didn't you used a mask when you used your tools? no critic just wondering. keep them coming, and i hope your health is picking up soon.
Please read the other comments.
Good idea - are you using it much Jay? Is that hefty vice a Record 52 1/2 ?
9" Eclipse, I believe. Record clone.
Jay, do you find that you lose any clamping pressure on the ends of the vise?
so far, not so much. A spacer on the opposite side will solve that.
Good point. Thanks Jay
i like
Can you offer advice when, after installation, the bottom of the jaws have 1 1/16+ separation? The inside rear jaw is plumb, as is the front of the workbench? Thanks
Hi Jay I would love to have a small $10.00 block plain like the one you used in this video could you post a link for where you got the one you have.
amzn.to/2qFBSFC
This is the end vise: amzn.to/2qIdXVL and this is the small plane: amzn.to/2qFBSFC
I had a few hours to kill before computer work so I thought I would go to the shop and record whatever it is that I decided to do. In this case, I decided to make new jaws for my relocated end vise.
Jay Bates 2 Good
tom silva from this old house says he uses a little plane like that all over the place, even with all the high precision cutting gear he shows up with, the host was like," you have a $ 3,000.00 dollar saw and you fix the cuts with a $ 10.00 dollar plane , how bout that"
Jay I would like to thank you for all the great content you create and offer a couple Ideas for you to consider Lee Valley tools has some great new hardware for bench dogs and end vises also I would offer the idea of adding the bench dog to the outside of the jaw in a pocket set on the outside face instead of setting it into the jaw
If you left the piece of wood on the sliding side of the vice just 1/4 or 3/8 proud/taller of the bench/stationary side, than that would work as both a plane stop, and a super wide dog to clamp panels with. Then you don't have to put holes for dowels or dogs in the piece of wood. Let me know what cons you see with doing that, because I might do that on my bench if there is not a fatal flaw.
I would not do that if I were you. Here's why: if you have a long workpiece that you're doing layout on, or some assembly you're trying to put together, and it overhangs the length of the bench, it would be propped up on that one end, which you don't want. So having a dog in the vise that can be lowered below the surface of the bench would be a nice benefit.
Yeah, I don't see that as a problem. A workbench has 6 to 7 feet of top, plus overhang on the other side. I find I need a plane stop and end vice way more than I build 9 foot long pieces of furniture that have to be assembled on top the workbench. I still think it is a good idea, plus you can always just remove it if you find it gets in the way for a rare project.
What is the size of your vise ?
Great work Such a one I could also use well. I'm looking forward to your next video😄👍👍 from my channel
Could of inset the other jaw into the wood too, would of made it more sturdy..
_ David _ should have
i don't even know how i know this , but it works, wet the wood with a shop towel , throw the towel on the floor , rub the towel over both pieces, and wipe it down with a dry towel, vwalla, they match
do I spy a pantorouter?
Yes. In the charming color of grey.
Pine knots will dent your work piece. Ask me how I know...