I do development in Unreal Engine and often eats through my 64Gb ram. Don't think people realize how lucky we get when it comes to optimization for normal gameplay.
Games will use extra memory if it is there, but it isn't crucial for the game to be playable or even smooth. Observing useage above 16GB could simply be the game retaining a bunch of stuff you saw earlier and it has no reason to flush it from memory in case you happen to circle back to that content again - but if you are running less memory it has the option to manage resources smartly. If a game is so starved for memory that it has to constantly clear and reload crucial data, that is when the stutters and pauses hit. Just a word of advice to all. Even if you have plenty of system memory, it is good to watch out for websites that take over 1GB and refuse to visit them if they do. Hover over the tab in Chrome and it will say. This almost always means the site is running the absolute maximum amount of the most invasive and malicious ad scripts and garbage that it possibly can. It has nothing to do with rich graphics and video content. You can gave a visually stunning website that doesn't use more than 200MB of resources if there isn't a rats nest of malware code embedded into it.
wow 3m ago btw I have 4x sticks 32gb of ddr4 ram running at 3200mhz i hope you make it to 10k soon you deserve it and one day you will be at that 100k mark
When I first got into PC gaming in 2020, the argument was 4gb vs 8gb. Now it's 16gb vs 32gb. I can't keep up :( But I do agree, the minimum now is 16gb. I do see a lot more people using multiple apps while gaming now but I'm a huge fan of closing out everything during gaming sessions.
I don't know where you live but in US/Western Europe in 2020 the youtube sentiment was that 16GB was the standard. Maybe it's different in your country but yeah 4gbvs8gb was definetiley not a discussion in 2020 for US/Western EU
If you have game mode activated on Windows the OS automatically kills unneeded background app, but most people have something running in the back. My last PC was a 4 core with 16GB RAM. I think it was the 4 cores that did this, but if I had Discord open there were some games, I know Ark was one, Miscreated I think did it as well, would get terribly stuttery and laggy. To the point of being unplayable. I just built a new PC and put 32GB of RAM in it just to help it last longer before needing attention. But the 12600k made a world of difference compared to my old 9100f. But as long as I didn't have anything running in the background the 9100f did surprisingly well. It didn't bottleneck the GTX 1080 in any way. But tryin g to have youTube or Discord running while gaming really ruined the experience.
I have 32GB 2x 16GB) mainly because I’m a content creator and I tend to a have a bunch of tabs open while having video editing software and discord open
I don't think so, but in the future it could. Plus if you like to play Ultra settings with some apps open in the background 16GB could test the limits of what you can do. But 16GGB will still be fine for the foreseeable future.
For my case, just for gaming 16gb is enough (i dont play AAA premium games). But im planning to upgrade because im gonna do other thing such as editing, recording, streaming(maybe), so on and so forth. Since my mobo only have 2 ram slots, new mobo with 4 ram slots is needed ....sigh
my biggest issue right now is I think my overall power is good but my RAM is not. I play 1080p, most demanding game I have is hogwarts legacy and it’s not playable because of the constant stutters. sure enough, i’m using 15.5/16 GB… guess it’s time for 32gb. specs: ryzen 5 3600 thermalright assassin rtx 3070 16gb ddr4 3000mhz 3tb between nvme, hdd, and ssd
@@MMillerPCs yeah, it’s super awful and it’s annoying. my task manager says it’s running at 300mhz it’s the apacer x2 8 kit. I know it’s not a cpu bottleneck with my 3070 cause i’m a metrics watcher and it’ll get max 60% utilization. I will say the stutters have increased since i upgraded from a rx 6600.
@@MMillerPCs apologies, I typed that kinda weird. I meant CPU usage. metrics while playing hogwarts: CPU utilization: 40-60% GPU utilization: 80-100% RAM usage: 15-15.5/16 GB CPU and GPU temps are normal. I use task manager, GPU-Z, and GEforce.
I run 3 rigs one for recording and editing that’s the one that I multitask on and i had 32gb of ddr5 that memory filled up fast lol now I have 64gb and it doesn’t go over 40% also once I updated drivers and windows it used less memory 🤷🏽♂️
its dropping the fps when youre watching a video on the second monitor becase the gpu has to work on the video you opened too, so this is more of a gpu test
I tested ram in my friends system when he allowed me, the only game I noticed that used more than 16gb is EFT and over modded games, like so many minecraft, GTA V, and Cyberpunk as long as there as a ton of mods installed. But as to normal games it always just stays before 15.6gb even though his system has 32gb. Also did alot of people already tell you? You look like Mark Pellegrino, google image it. I promise it's not like blue waffle. 🤣
@@mintymus when I got this notification, I thought this comment was LITERALLY going to be soooo much worse 😂 Guess I’ll have to add that to my list to edit out and try to limit lol
I am almost always above 16 close to 17 sometimes even 20 when my pc do some video converting at the background and often past 10gb vram close to 15 btw good game for testing this is gta5 or control also try to plug in second monitor to iGPU
I was on 2x8 of ddr4 at 3200mhz on fortnite performance mode unlimited getting 700 - 750 fps after upgrading to 32gb of 6000mhz ddr5 I got 800 - 850 | Also side note I sell an optimization for pcs and I think you should do a video on an optimizer because I use my own optimizer on pcs I sell and it gets me more customers bc of higher frame rates
On Intel CPUs it makes no difference, and I don't know if it's the same on the newer AMD AM5 Ryzen CPUs, but on the old AM4 socket CPU's it depends on whether or not the RAM chips are single rank or dual rank(whether or not the DIMMs have memory chips on one or both sides of the stick). AM4 Ryzen CPUs get a measurable boost, about five to ten percent, in performance from single rank chips in dual channel because they do some tricks with how the CPU treats the memory, basically if a channel has single rank RAM in both slots Ryzen will treat it as a dual rank dimm in one slot, but because there are more lanes it can access the memory slightly more efficiently. Basically every consumer DDR4 16GB dimm and above is dual rank, 8GB and below are going to be almost exclusively single rank. So on an AM4 machine 4x4gb and 4x8gb will be slightly faster than 2x8 and 2x16 GB ram setups. One thing to keep in mind though is that a lot of times RAM/motherboard compatibility is a lot better using 2 slots than it is all 4, especially on budget mobos.
@@Clutch421 Corsair is great, for case and PSU. But their RAM exists to be the bottom feeder. A lot of them don't work/doesn't work properly. And use the Samsung chip which doesn't support high voltage leading to timing like 30-30-30/32-32-32/-36-36-36/40-40-40. And they tend to be corrupting your OS as well as being less stable. Sadly. I used one of their kits before. Pure garbage.
I do development in Unreal Engine and often eats through my 64Gb ram. Don't think people realize how lucky we get when it comes to optimization for normal gameplay.
Yep! Absolutely!! It’s a wonderful thing
Games will use extra memory if it is there, but it isn't crucial for the game to be playable or even smooth. Observing useage above 16GB could simply be the game retaining a bunch of stuff you saw earlier and it has no reason to flush it from memory in case you happen to circle back to that content again - but if you are running less memory it has the option to manage resources smartly. If a game is so starved for memory that it has to constantly clear and reload crucial data, that is when the stutters and pauses hit.
Just a word of advice to all. Even if you have plenty of system memory, it is good to watch out for websites that take over 1GB and refuse to visit them if they do. Hover over the tab in Chrome and it will say. This almost always means the site is running the absolute maximum amount of the most invasive and malicious ad scripts and garbage that it possibly can. It has nothing to do with rich graphics and video content. You can gave a visually stunning website that doesn't use more than 200MB of resources if there isn't a rats nest of malware code embedded into it.
another banger by Matt - keep it up!
Appreciate it!! Hopefully we keep it rolling!
wow 3m ago btw I have 4x sticks 32gb of ddr4 ram running at 3200mhz i hope you make it to 10k soon you deserve it and one day you will be at that 100k mark
Awesome! I definitely like 32gb but I thought it was cool to see 16gb do really well
dual channel or quad channel? just having slots doesn't mean it's quad
When I first got into PC gaming in 2020, the argument was 4gb vs 8gb. Now it's 16gb vs 32gb. I can't keep up :( But I do agree, the minimum now is 16gb.
I do see a lot more people using multiple apps while gaming now but I'm a huge fan of closing out everything during gaming sessions.
I don't know where you live but in US/Western Europe in 2020 the youtube sentiment was that 16GB was the standard. Maybe it's different in your country but yeah 4gbvs8gb was definetiley not a discussion in 2020 for US/Western EU
If you have game mode activated on Windows the OS automatically kills unneeded background app, but most people have something running in the back. My last PC was a 4 core with 16GB RAM. I think it was the 4 cores that did this, but if I had Discord open there were some games, I know Ark was one, Miscreated I think did it as well, would get terribly stuttery and laggy. To the point of being unplayable. I just built a new PC and put 32GB of RAM in it just to help it last longer before needing attention. But the 12600k made a world of difference compared to my old 9100f. But as long as I didn't have anything running in the background the 9100f did surprisingly well. It didn't bottleneck the GTX 1080 in any way. But tryin g to have youTube or Discord running while gaming really ruined the experience.
Yeah I think the 9100f had more to do with that than the ram. But it never hurts to have 32gb lol
I couldn’t live without my other apps running while I game lol
But I totally get turning everything off
4 vs 8 for gaming was more like 2012... 2020 was more of 8 vs 16 now in 2024 its 16 vs 32
I have 32GB 2x 16GB) mainly because I’m a content creator and I tend to a have a bunch of tabs open while having video editing software and discord open
Yeah I agree if you are doing streaming or content creation then 32gb is a must.
I run 128GB RAM since it is so cheap.
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I don't think so, but in the future it could. Plus if you like to play Ultra settings with some apps open in the background 16GB could test the limits of what you can do. But 16GGB will still be fine for the foreseeable future.
I agree!! Right now 16gb works really well. I definitely should have tried to stretch the graphics some more to see what happened
would 16gb of ram be enough to run microsoft flight simulator 2020?
It should be fine.
For my case, just for gaming 16gb is enough (i dont play AAA premium games). But im planning to upgrade because im gonna do other thing such as editing, recording, streaming(maybe), so on and so forth. Since my mobo only have 2 ram slots, new mobo with 4 ram slots is needed ....sigh
Ehhh you could just sell your old ram and buy a 2x16 kit
@@MMillerPCs yeah that also a great idea.
Hey broski what are we gonna be learning tomorrow, it better not be a test
I've seen my RAM use hit 20GB while gaming before.
Another new video idea.. redo the test without the fps games every other person benchmarks. Sim/rts/openworld games tend to use quite a bit more
my biggest issue right now is I think my overall power is good but my RAM is not. I play 1080p, most demanding game I have is hogwarts legacy and it’s not playable because of the constant stutters. sure enough, i’m using 15.5/16 GB… guess it’s time for 32gb.
specs:
ryzen 5 3600
thermalright assassin
rtx 3070
16gb ddr4 3000mhz
3tb between nvme, hdd, and ssd
@@ventuskeywielder maybe… but I’ve ran that game with 16 without stutters. Is everything updated ? Is your ram running at 3000mhz in task manager?
@@MMillerPCs yeah, it’s super awful and it’s annoying. my task manager says it’s running at 300mhz it’s the apacer x2 8 kit. I know it’s not a cpu bottleneck with my 3070 cause i’m a metrics watcher and it’ll get max 60% utilization. I will say the stutters have increased since i upgraded from a rx 6600.
@@MMillerPCs and yeah i’ve updated everything. I haven’t messed with any bios on my pc regarding my ram and cpu.
@@ventuskeywielder what are you using to measure that? Because your GPU should be higher than 60%
@@MMillerPCs apologies, I typed that kinda weird. I meant CPU usage.
metrics while playing hogwarts:
CPU utilization: 40-60%
GPU utilization: 80-100%
RAM usage: 15-15.5/16 GB
CPU and GPU temps are normal.
I use task manager, GPU-Z, and GEforce.
I run 3 rigs one for recording and editing that’s the one that I multitask on and i had 32gb of ddr5 that memory filled up fast lol now I have 64gb and it doesn’t go over 40% also once I updated drivers and windows it used less memory 🤷🏽♂️
its dropping the fps when youre watching a video on the second monitor becase the gpu has to work on the video you opened too, so this is more of a gpu test
This what people actually do while playing…. That was the point
@@MMillerPCs ohh i thought it was a ram test mb
@@teo_8555 lol
I tested ram in my friends system when he allowed me, the only game I noticed that used more than 16gb is EFT and over modded games, like so many minecraft, GTA V, and Cyberpunk as long as there as a ton of mods installed. But as to normal games it always just stays before 15.6gb even though his system has 32gb.
Also did alot of people already tell you? You look like Mark Pellegrino, google image it. I promise it's not like blue waffle. 🤣
@@hill2hell noooo 😂😂 that’s way better than who I usually get compared to
@@MMillerPCs Haha I just remembered him when I saw you especially the eyes, eyebrows, and beard. 🤣
Disliked for your massive over use and improper use of the word "literally," the scorn of the English language.
@@mintymus when I got this notification, I thought this comment was LITERALLY going to be soooo much worse 😂
Guess I’ll have to add that to my list to edit out and try to limit lol
@@MMillerPCs Lol, other than that, I love your videos 👍👌
@@mintymus thank you! That means a lot 🧡
😂😂😂😂😂😂👍
I am almost always above 16 close to 17 sometimes even 20 when my pc do some video converting at the background and often past 10gb vram close to 15 btw good game for testing this is gta5 or control also try to plug in second monitor to iGPU
I have 40 tabs open and 10 apps open with 16gb of ddr4 because I’m a chad
@@walter2440 😂😂😂
I was on 2x8 of ddr4 at 3200mhz on fortnite performance mode unlimited getting 700 - 750 fps after upgrading to 32gb of 6000mhz ddr5 I got 800 - 850 | Also side note I sell an optimization for pcs and I think you should do a video on an optimizer because I use my own optimizer on pcs I sell and it gets me more customers bc of higher frame rates
what about 16 gigs or 32 gigs 4 dimms vs 2 dimms with two diff channels
On Intel CPUs it makes no difference, and I don't know if it's the same on the newer AMD AM5 Ryzen CPUs, but on the old AM4 socket CPU's it depends on whether or not the RAM chips are single rank or dual rank(whether or not the DIMMs have memory chips on one or both sides of the stick). AM4 Ryzen CPUs get a measurable boost, about five to ten percent, in performance from single rank chips in dual channel because they do some tricks with how the CPU treats the memory, basically if a channel has single rank RAM in both slots Ryzen will treat it as a dual rank dimm in one slot, but because there are more lanes it can access the memory slightly more efficiently.
Basically every consumer DDR4 16GB dimm and above is dual rank, 8GB and below are going to be almost exclusively single rank. So on an AM4 machine 4x4gb and 4x8gb will be slightly faster than 2x8 and 2x16 GB ram setups.
One thing to keep in mind though is that a lot of times RAM/motherboard compatibility is a lot better using 2 slots than it is all 4, especially on budget mobos.
Corsair RAM are garbage
Why
@@Clutch421 Corsair is great, for case and PSU. But their RAM exists to be the bottom feeder. A lot of them don't work/doesn't work properly. And use the Samsung chip which doesn't support high voltage leading to timing like 30-30-30/32-32-32/-36-36-36/40-40-40. And they tend to be corrupting your OS as well as being less stable. Sadly. I used one of their kits before. Pure garbage.
@FireCestina1200 oh I just installed a ddr5 kit and it's been good so far. Hopefully no problems
@@Clutch421 enable EXPO
@@FireCestina1200 I did. 6000mt cl36