I own ace pro and strap it to my pup and let him run full speed. I can say that the footage is very stable. I also own action 4 but haven't tested in that scenario.
I lost my GoPro 11 while wake surfing due to a weak 3rd party mount. The thumbscrew did it's job, but the mount itself failed... Will probably switch to DJI or AcePro now!
This was fun but I would be much more interested to see how well those "magnetic" clip mounts would take a hit from an angle that stresses those clips more, yes those kettlebells are a lot of weight but what happens if that weight isn't applied at a perfect straight angle where the mount is at it's strongest.
this is a good point though. a lot of times, actions cameras are constantly knocked and bumped into things. i do not want my action cam falling into the depths of the ocean because a fishing rod hit it in an angle.
I can't believe a comparison video need to be made about this topic. It just common sense, magnet alone is not strong enough to hold + there is a clicking sound when it locks. Obviously there is some sort of hooking mechanism to go along with the magnets. Some people are just du....b
First off, if you don't securely lock the magnetic mount, of course it'll probably come loose or fall off. But that can be applied to anything... if you don't screw something in properly... etc. I do mountain biking, pretty technical, gnarly stuff with lots of crashing, rough trails, etc. I've NEVER had my Osmo magnetic mount fail on me. Even in any hard crash where I'm tumbling everywhere, bike is destroyed, etc, the camera stay in place. The magnetic aspect of the mount is "not" just purely to align it. Try applying the mount and hold the clips on either side open and let it dangle purely by the magnet. It stays in place pretty well, even with a few shakes. Now, this isn't to say the magnet alone is enough but rather, the point is, the magnet is pretty strong and is more than just a means to align it. Finally, comparing a screw based system over a small magnet system is just silly. I mean, it should be plainly obvious that screws are far stronger to magnets. So is the gopro mounting system superior in terms of toughness? I would think so. But personally, the magnet system is far more versatile and is strong enough to tackle most scenarios. Thus I'd choose it over GoPro's.
After owning many GoPro’s (11 last one) I bought an Ace Pro. It pulled me in like a magnet, and now I’m hooked 😂. I agree, GoPro must do something, they have been asleep for a year. Time to wake up otherwise they will loose the market very quickly.
I dont think they were asleep, its just that there was no other companies out there before, so gopro was able to get away with yearly drops with minimal updates as cash grab like *ahem* Apple with their iphones lol. Now we got dji and insta360 to bust their balls.
Nokia and Blackberry didn't listen to their market, and lost ground incredibly fast. BBOS was the most secure mobile OS and even now, a decade later, Android and iOS with its leaky guts don't come close. But they died prematurely, because listen they refused to.
Hitting the pole with action camera attach in the water. To see if it holds when exposed with water. It wouldn’t brake the cameras. At different angles and not just up and down shakes.
DJI's best invention yet is the magnetic mount, so easy and trouble free mount. I have around 4 places where I use my Action 4 and since Action 3 the hassle was gone.
People will always find something wrong with every product. It seems like most people spend more time trying to find problems and reasons why a product isn’t good enough for them rather than just enjoying it for what it is.
Unless I missed it I think you forgot to test the GOPro with the heavier weight. Also, I have been using GoPros since the Hero 3. I started to leave GoPro platform when the iInsat360 x3 came out as I liked it much better than my GoPRo Max. Not to mention how much better the editing software was. And now with the Ace Pro which I have been using for several weeks now and I love I am getting rid of my remaining flat lense GOPros and moving 100 percent to the Insta360 platform. I really think between Insta360 and DJI, GOPro is in a lot of trouble. Their financials and profit margins have been dropping steadily for several years already anyway. People keep asking if the Ace Pro or Osmo are GoPro killers. In my opinion GOPro is its own worse enemy and has been committing self suicide for years now. Just my opinion though and I am sure many will disagree which is fine. People should buy whichever they like best. GOPro still has a lot of positive attributes . And both Osmo and Insta360 certainly have several issues that need to be addressed by them (and I believe they will in future releases). There is no such thing as the perfect camera. Just personal preference I suppose.. .
the test really was meant of the magnetic mounts, so the "missed" GoPro 35 lb test is pretty meaningless, I assume it would have passed. You are 1000% correct that every one of these cameras has its pro/con list and there are specific advantages the GoPro system has in limited circumstances vs. the competition... however the "magnetic" mount system is a HUGE Pro for all users of the DJI/Insta360 systems... the mount is something ALL action camera users have to deal with (as opposed to a feature that only SOME users might use) so GoPro's sticking to their old mount system is hurting every single user of their system at this point. Saying it's easy enough is not acceptable, anyone having used the magnetic mounts for even a day can tell you just how useful they are compared to a screw. Hopefully GoPro really brings it with the Hero 13, I know they are a much smaller company with less R&D than the big Chinese DJI/Insta360 companies, but the reality is the average consumer doesn't care and just wants the best camera.
This proved very little. What's going to knock it off is a shear force. For instance I've played in big ocean waves and have been drug across the ocean floor. What happens when the camera gets drug on the floor or if you fell while water skiing?
My GoPro is almost always in an orange foam floaty case. It makes the camera almost unbreakable. I've had my daughter slam it on a dock while doing aerials into a lake. I've caught little kids using it as a hammer to kill ants. The camera comes back unharmed. The orange floaty case is the most important accessory to an action camera, and I would never get an action without one.
I make surfing videos and I bought the DJI, I lost it on day one in big surf. Not because of the strength of the magnetic mount, but because I was holding onto the camera tight and unfortunately I released the the latch by gripping it. Booom $700AUD down the drain! So for surf usage, unfortunately you have to go with gopro! Otherwise this quick release glitch will happen to you eventually. If you have already bought the DJI, then definitely put it in a dive case and use go pro connect rather than magnetic.
It's unfortunate that you grips the DJI so high on the neck that you pressed both release buttons by accident. It looks like Insta360 version allows you to lock the quick release so it doesn't accidentally release. You could also put it into the floating case (which has a tether) and clip the tether to your wrist or the handle. Even with the tether, it would be faster to mount/unmount than the GoPro thumbscrew.
@@lonerider68 There is a mount with a lock, but the one that comes with the camera is without the lock. I sank my Gopro once in a little river, fortunately the water of the river was clear and I found it, but since then I always use a floaty (and tether the camera)
@@lonerider68 locking the magnetic release would be a good solution, unfortunately I didnt know that you could buy a mount that locks.... but just need absolute peace of mind in the waves that you wont lose the camera, so I will only use screw mounts and use dive case because these cameras leak easily. I have sent back 4 gopros already because of leaks.
I always break the plastic hinged part. Usually when my chest mount smashes the handlebars. Or my chin mount hits the bars, gets hooked on a brake line, or hits a tree. Always use a lanyard.
From a mounting perspective I propose a shock/impact test. Imagine a kayaker with a top helmet mount. The boat flips and the camera hits a rock. The kayaker rolls upright. Is the camera still there or at the bottom of the river? Speaking from a real-life experience. Another test would be a skier/boarder with a helmet or chest mount. Would a crash cause the mount to fail due to impact?
My Action 4 was on a 6 foot tripod that blew over in the wind and the camera came off the mount and was 10 feet from where the tripod was. No damage but it was a little discerning.
Great video. Can’t believe that you had to go to this length to convince some people that it was not a magnet holding the cameras to the mount. The fact that you have to press two buttons to release the camera suggests that hooks were involved. At least now there can be no doubt even in the doubters’ minds. BTW, I do hope you have not ruined your cameras since that vibration test was pretty extreme.
@@Cameraflyer- May I know what kind of sport are you performing? I'm using it on my motorcycle with a speed of over 100km/h. There is no way the magnetic mount gonna get loose. It won't even vibrate.
9:47 I think I might know a way to make those screws fail. camera mounted, using a hammer to smash it or helmet mounted and face planting. Shaking you did is great to see how secure it is with shaking, that's some serious shaking. But my concern is impacts. I've never had any brutal impacts on my camera. But I'm not worries as I have it in a case, and if it fails it's just a case. Cases can wear out anyway. If it's screws secured into metal it's likely going to be more secure than if it's into plastic. I don't know how it's secured. but if it's wood screws into plastic, no wonder it fails. Also temp changes and vibrations can cause the screws to loose, how fast it happens depends on materials, for example steel in aluminium will loosen fast. So taking it out in subzero temps it might loosen quite fast. For example a steel bottom bracket in a aluminium bicycle frame takes around 10 mins before it's loose if it's -10C. But if loose screws is a problem, use Loctite 243, it secures it for a long time, and you can easily undo it, and it handles temperature changes well, as long as the parts are not junk. Sometimes Loctite 243 won't help cus the parts are so bad. If screw is same material as it's screwed into it will be more secure. Aluminium in aluminium will be more secure. Steel in steel and so on.
It is possible that GOPRO will never add the magnetic hooks due to patent. It is obvious that they are not the inventors of this magnet hook mechanism and who ever invented this it might have a patent. If Gopro implement this they will have to pay licensing which menas a more expensive GoPro
these are magnetically guided mounts, as the magnets are purely for guiding the latching and unlatching process, and not responsible for latching onto the camera. DJI and Insta360 should both rephrase to avoid confusion.
So, I lost a camera on one of the magnetic mounts. They're quicker to mount, but unforgiving if you don't get it perfectly locked on. Riding a naked motorcycle the wind will rip the camera off if it's not completely locked on. I ended up ordering a dive case that I plan to modify once I get, but until then my replacement camera is zip tied in place. And this isn't me blaming the mount, if you get it right it's plenty strong, but if you make a mistake like I did, goodbye camera.
On a serious note...GREAT video! The look on your face was priceless, and I feel it's safe to say that you were becoming slightly annoyed by the GoPro fans defending their mount with an ill-informed position regarding the competitors. Nice job proving the point and trying to stay neutral. (I still think side by side, the GoPro wins in image quality vs the others, minus the ACE in low light). But...all things considered, for mountain biking POV...the DJI Action 4 wins by virtue of all of the convenience factors, despite the GoPro beating it slightly in image quality. It "feels" like some of those differences could be overcome with a little simple saturation in post to make the colors a little more vibrant....but there's never much discussion about color in these review videos, and if they used the camera's color setting, or recorded flat and worked on it in post...or exactly what's going on.
Thanks for keeping us updated on various application of state of the art action cams. It is really helpful! Your tests do not cover the most common scenario when mounts do fail. Basically, two strong forces with different directions applied at the same time - one to the mount and another to the camera. For example, camera is attached on top of a helmet, actor is riding a bike downhill, on a high speed camera hits low hanging strong tree branch, will the camera detach from the helmet mount? Or can you tear apart camera from magnetic mount by hands by just twisting and trying to separate them very hard?
Really great test! I always use the gopro floaty to my GoPros, There are a floaty to insta360 ace pro. Do you think I can have the ace pro with floaty mounted on a board, flip the screen up with ace pro and position the camera, flip down and do the shot? Is it possible to buy "magnetic mount and replace gopro mount on gopro 12, there are just som screws, maybe there are something after market like that.
Cool to see David is a Ridgid tool guy! But for tests, i'd like to see the mounts tested with more shearing or twisting forces. It would better replicate the force applied if someone wipes out when doing something like mountain biking or snowboarding.
@@mstuartkendallno, he didn't. He showed a rapid shaking up/down motion, and a weight being applied directly down from the weight. I'm talking about a shearing or twisting motion, with direct force applied to the mounting points
You can f.ex compare it to how shipping containers are locked in place, that system is 4 points of contact aswell, secure enough to transport billion of tons of goods around every day all over the world.
Hey Dave 🙋🏻♂️, I wonder how the saw test affected the gyroscopes/image stabilisation on the cameras 🧐…. Also a more thrashing yet non destructive test would be to strap these to a jack hammer 😈
Need to use a hydraulic pull test to see how much pressure each can withstand before breaking (although they must break to know the limit). Would think that when they do break, it’s probably a shearing problem versus a weight problem.
I spent half an hour trying to find a video proving how strong is the Insta360 magnetic mount. This video is the first to start the investigation. Here's a test: magentic mount to car, driving 75mph, in bad weather like 45mph wind gusts.
It's pretty simple GoPro still caters to the Action Camera market, people that snowboard, skateboard, mountain biking, parkour, base jump, and other extreme or action driven activities. DJI and Insta360 are more focused on "influencers" of bloggers whose definition of action sports is riding an e-bike through a city. When I used to mountain bike I would place my GoPro in a housing and tighten the sh.. out of it, because it was going to take a beating, and that is what the GoPro was created for.
I really wanted a drop test from the kettle bells, to get a dynamic weight test, i get that you might break the feet but that would really show if its actually stronger or as strong as the bolted in mounts. Im more worried about my camera breaking free from the mount in a crash, or knocking loose unknowingly
You are SOOOOO bias for those magnetic mounts I cannot believe you can show your face. A real test would be to mount the go pro to the top of a dozer then drive over those weak magnetic mounts on the ground with a Caterpillar Bulldozer then stop on it, rotate with the camera under the track, move froward turn around and drop the blade on those mounts. All this while the GoPro records the death of magnetic mounts. You will see the superiority of the GoPro mount. Another fair test would be to mount the Go Pro on a tripod at ground level then toss those flimsy magnetic mounts out the door of a helicopter at 3,000 feet. Record them as those cheap magnetic mounts shatter into pieces on the concrete pavement ALL while the Go Pro records the carnage. This is a fair an un-bias way to test and CNN would approve of it to help you report on it professionally.
Interesting test. That's the first question I had when I saw those DJI and Insta360 mounts... what'll it take to make them fall off. I mount cameras all over my bike and ride up to highway speeds - and the GoPro feet have never [knock on wood] broken on me. Maybe I *can* trust these new mounts, after all?
@@Cameraflyer- that would be awesome! I bet you could rig something up - I see a lot of the adhesive tethers... so as long as THAT didn't let loose, you'd be OK.
This is awesome! I've had the GoPro thumb screws break off completely strapped onto a competitive go kart in one session. Maybe lateral violent shaking might be a better simulation?
No doubt they can all handle regular use, question comes if they can take a wipeout. Mounting to a helmet mount then swinging a weight on a string from set distance, increasing the weight or distance with each round, would be a true test but it will probably break the cameras. But I say if except that probability then get a tether so you don't lose your cam.
@david manning - if you wanted to take this to the extreme and really determine break points then I would suggest a collaboration between you and Project Farm. He tests everything and approaches his testing very methodically and as scientifically as possible. Would be a cool crossover video to see.
David, you got the Dr Evil look when you are leaning back with the Reciprocating Saw blasting into orbit..... definitely you made a "solid" test ....lmfao
This was fun, but im not worried about any of these mounts failing by getting pulled directly down. It’s going to be a side hit. That said, I have been using GoPro since the original HD hero… Ive never broken a fingers fail. I have had the part you squeeze on a GoPro quick release break…. Many times.
Magnetic mounts are not reliable for action sports. That's why GoPro won't adopt them. You can purchase a magnetic mount for the GoPro if you really want one. Putting static weight on the Mount is not a good test. Sometimes you have a lateral shock from an impact that can knock the camera loose. All your testing involves vertical forces. Whack it against the table and I'll bet you that mount will fail. I asked Insta360 If the mount would be strong enough for skydiving and they said they don't recommend it. Now I have an Ace Pro that I can't use until someone makes a sturdy frame with a 1/4" thread for it.
NEXT VIDEO. "I taped my action cameras to a reciprocating saw, and now one of them no longer works. Can you guess which one of these three pooped the bed?"
Sub zero battery life testing would be interesting. -10c, -15C, -20C.... You could do that in a freezer if you don't have temps like that where you are. I live in east part of Norway, so it can get down to -15 few days, but -10C for long time. I've heard claims about Hero 12 being able to operate in 40C to -10C. And Action 4 even colder, I think it was -20C or something. But would be interesting to see how they actually do. and of course midsummer temps like 30C. With GoPro hero 7 it's only few seconds if it's -1C. But 4 Session takes -11C until battery runs out or I run out of storage, but it's a tiny battery anyway, so even in the summer I have to plug it to a battery bank. But I've retired it as my main camera, but consider using it for the winter as it gets so hot it handles cold temps. So I will do that unless I decide on an new action camera.
Elanzi makes twist off for GoPro it’s an added cost but for $20 you can get like 3-4 full sets which is all you’d need. Having said that I still think the magnetic mount is a good way to go. I don’t know what the long-term strength issues might be but on the surface it’s a clever idea.
Dave, those are interesting tests - SAFETY GOGGLES!!! Also, the shake test would be more effective if the shaking more closely resembled actual use scenarios (random direction/variable speed shaking) like you'd find while doing most action sports scenarios. I appreciate that you've clarified the marketing hype and mislabeling the mounts as "magnetic mounts". They should be called magnetic-assist mounting systems.
Many commercial leaf blowers have MPH ratings up to, or even exceeding, 200 MPH. A successful test test at the 200+ MPH level should allay the concerns of most skydivers and motor sport enthusiasts. A 60 second test would cover most traditional skydives.
Shame you didn't turn on the action cams and filmed while shaking!
Would have been a REAL test of the stabilization of each. 🙂
yeah I thought the same thing
Same.
That's what I was thinking
I own ace pro and strap it to my pup and let him run full speed. I can say that the footage is very stable. I also own action 4 but haven't tested in that scenario.
Great video - I was on the fence, but you convinced me to buy a kettlebell - seems like a great workout!
That’s a new shirt logo for you.
“They’re not magnets!!”
All the best for 2024, Dave. Thank you for being kind and the great content. ❤ see you in the new year.
I lost my GoPro 11 while wake surfing due to a weak 3rd party mount. The thumbscrew did it's job, but the mount itself failed... Will probably switch to DJI or AcePro now!
This was fun but I would be much more interested to see how well those "magnetic" clip mounts would take a hit from an angle that stresses those clips more, yes those kettlebells are a lot of weight but what happens if that weight isn't applied at a perfect straight angle where the mount is at it's strongest.
this is a good point though. a lot of times, actions cameras are constantly knocked and bumped into things. i do not want my action cam falling into the depths of the ocean because a fishing rod hit it in an angle.
this was my thought the whole video - different drop tests would have been the right way to do but ofc with the risk of damaging the camera 😕
If your camera gets hit harder than the way he conducted those tests, how well those clamps hold will be the least of your problems.
@@MrPhilbautista not talking about harder just different force distribution, pulling straight down it's gonna be way stronger than at some weird angle
As well as the go pro
David I do have to say you really made me 😂 I can’t beleave how far you go to prove your point, great job.🎉
Not far enough. He's not willing to risk breaking the camera.
I can't believe a comparison video need to be made about this topic. It just common sense, magnet alone is not strong enough to hold + there is a clicking sound when it locks. Obviously there is some sort of hooking mechanism to go along with the magnets. Some people are just du....b
First off, if you don't securely lock the magnetic mount, of course it'll probably come loose or fall off. But that can be applied to anything... if you don't screw something in properly... etc. I do mountain biking, pretty technical, gnarly stuff with lots of crashing, rough trails, etc. I've NEVER had my Osmo magnetic mount fail on me. Even in any hard crash where I'm tumbling everywhere, bike is destroyed, etc, the camera stay in place.
The magnetic aspect of the mount is "not" just purely to align it. Try applying the mount and hold the clips on either side open and let it dangle purely by the magnet. It stays in place pretty well, even with a few shakes. Now, this isn't to say the magnet alone is enough but rather, the point is, the magnet is pretty strong and is more than just a means to align it.
Finally, comparing a screw based system over a small magnet system is just silly. I mean, it should be plainly obvious that screws are far stronger to magnets. So is the gopro mounting system superior in terms of toughness? I would think so. But personally, the magnet system is far more versatile and is strong enough to tackle most scenarios. Thus I'd choose it over GoPro's.
After owning many GoPro’s (11 last one) I bought an Ace Pro. It pulled me in like a magnet, and now I’m hooked 😂. I agree, GoPro must do something, they have been asleep for a year. Time to wake up otherwise they will loose the market very quickly.
I dont think they were asleep, its just that there was no other companies out there before, so gopro was able to get away with yearly drops with minimal updates as cash grab like *ahem* Apple with their iphones lol. Now we got dji and insta360 to bust their balls.
I see what you did there lol
They've already lost the market.
Nokia and Blackberry didn't listen to their market, and lost ground incredibly fast. BBOS was the most secure mobile OS and even now, a decade later, Android and iOS with its leaky guts don't come close. But they died prematurely, because listen they refused to.
They already lost the market. Dji crushes them.
Bro went Mad Max Fury Road on this video!
Not really. He would've broke the camera if he did that.
Most thorough mount test ever. Awesome!
Hahahahahaha!!!! You have to be kidding.
Dude David, bless you for putting these through the test!
Not very good tests.
Hitting the pole with action camera attach in the water. To see if it holds when exposed with water. It wouldn’t brake the cameras. At different angles and not just up and down shakes.
DJI's best invention yet is the magnetic mount, so easy and trouble free mount. I have around 4 places where I use my Action 4 and since Action 3 the hassle was gone.
Wind tunnel with 150+ mph winds 😅
Another awesome vid!! The best videos on the action cams are right here.
Thank you for doing this test, David. I never had problems with my OA4 falling off, but now I know how strong these mounts are 😊
That ad segway was immaculate!😂 love the video!
Yep, missed opportunity to have the cameras recording during the saw test. Slow-mo to boot.
7:44 this is the moment i was truly bamboozled
People will always find something wrong with every product. It seems like most people spend more time trying to find problems and reasons why a product isn’t good enough for them rather than just enjoying it for what it is.
Unless I missed it I think you forgot to test the GOPro with the heavier weight. Also, I have been using GoPros since the Hero 3. I started to leave GoPro platform when the iInsat360 x3 came out as I liked it much better than my GoPRo Max. Not to mention how much better the editing software was. And now with the Ace Pro which I have been using for several weeks now and I love I am getting rid of my remaining flat lense GOPros and moving 100 percent to the Insta360 platform. I really think between Insta360 and DJI, GOPro is in a lot of trouble. Their financials and profit margins have been dropping steadily for several years already anyway. People keep asking if the Ace Pro or Osmo are GoPro killers. In my opinion GOPro is its own worse enemy and has been committing self suicide for years now. Just my opinion though and I am sure many will disagree which is fine. People should buy whichever they like best. GOPro still has a lot of positive attributes . And both Osmo and Insta360 certainly have several issues that need to be addressed by them (and I believe they will in future releases). There is no such thing as the perfect camera. Just personal preference I suppose.. .
the test really was meant of the magnetic mounts, so the "missed" GoPro 35 lb test is pretty meaningless, I assume it would have passed. You are 1000% correct that every one of these cameras has its pro/con list and there are specific advantages the GoPro system has in limited circumstances vs. the competition... however the "magnetic" mount system is a HUGE Pro for all users of the DJI/Insta360 systems... the mount is something ALL action camera users have to deal with (as opposed to a feature that only SOME users might use) so GoPro's sticking to their old mount system is hurting every single user of their system at this point. Saying it's easy enough is not acceptable, anyone having used the magnetic mounts for even a day can tell you just how useful they are compared to a screw. Hopefully GoPro really brings it with the Hero 13, I know they are a much smaller company with less R&D than the big Chinese DJI/Insta360 companies, but the reality is the average consumer doesn't care and just wants the best camera.
This proved very little. What's going to knock it off is a shear force. For instance I've played in big ocean waves and have been drug across the ocean floor. What happens when the camera gets drug on the floor or if you fell while water skiing?
I don't think it matters which mount you use. If that happens, whatever camera you're using is probably FUBAR.
My GoPro is almost always in an orange foam floaty case. It makes the camera almost unbreakable. I've had my daughter slam it on a dock while doing aerials into a lake. I've caught little kids using it as a hammer to kill ants. The camera comes back unharmed.
The orange floaty case is the most important accessory to an action camera, and I would never get an action without one.
I make surfing videos and I bought the DJI, I lost it on day one in big surf. Not because of the strength of the magnetic mount, but because I was holding onto the camera tight and unfortunately I released the the latch by gripping it. Booom $700AUD down the drain! So for surf usage, unfortunately you have to go with gopro! Otherwise this quick release glitch will happen to you eventually. If you have already bought the DJI, then definitely put it in a dive case and use go pro connect rather than magnetic.
It's unfortunate that you grips the DJI so high on the neck that you pressed both release buttons by accident. It looks like Insta360 version allows you to lock the quick release so it doesn't accidentally release.
You could also put it into the floating case (which has a tether) and clip the tether to your wrist or the handle. Even with the tether, it would be faster to mount/unmount than the GoPro thumbscrew.
@@lonerider68 There is a mount with a lock, but the one that comes with the camera is without the lock. I sank my Gopro once in a little river, fortunately the water of the river was clear and I found it, but since then I always use a floaty (and tether the camera)
@@lonerider68 locking the magnetic release would be a good solution, unfortunately I didnt know that you could buy a mount that locks.... but just need absolute peace of mind in the waves that you wont lose the camera, so I will only use screw mounts and use dive case because these cameras leak easily. I have sent back 4 gopros already because of leaks.
Thanks for the test. Next one: How is the image stabilization doing with the saw? 😅
Yes ,why you didn't push the record buttom?
Holy Christmas! Get some eye protection!!!! Nice test, though! Happy New Year!
I always break the plastic hinged part. Usually when my chest mount smashes the handlebars. Or my chin mount hits the bars, gets hooked on a brake line, or hits a tree. Always use a lanyard.
this is my fave video you've made! creative tests!!
From a mounting perspective I propose a shock/impact test. Imagine a kayaker with a top helmet mount. The boat flips and the camera hits a rock. The kayaker rolls upright. Is the camera still there or at the bottom of the river? Speaking from a real-life experience. Another test would be a skier/boarder with a helmet or chest mount. Would a crash cause the mount to fail due to impact?
My Action 4 was on a 6 foot tripod that blew over in the wind and the camera came off the mount and was 10 feet from where the tripod was. No damage but it was a little discerning.
Great video. Can’t believe that you had to go to this length to convince some people that it was not a magnet holding the cameras to the mount. The fact that you have to press two buttons to release the camera suggests that hooks were involved. At least now there can be no doubt even in the doubters’ minds. BTW, I do hope you have not ruined your cameras since that vibration test was pretty extreme.
I still have doubts and Insta360 has doubts. They wouldn't tell me the mount is safe for my sport.
@@Cameraflyer- May I know what kind of sport are you performing? I'm using it on my motorcycle with a speed of over 100km/h. There is no way the magnetic mount gonna get loose. It won't even vibrate.
Ha-Ha….You absolutely crack me up🤣. That being said, I just ordered the 360 Pro and lots of accessories. Merry Christmas 🌲😎
i have never doubted those mounts.. heck i cant even force them out myself.
wonder what made people think they arent.
Might be your best video ever. Shame on GoPro thinking it’s just magnets.
9:47 I think I might know a way to make those screws fail. camera mounted, using a hammer to smash it or helmet mounted and face planting. Shaking you did is great to see how secure it is with shaking, that's some serious shaking. But my concern is impacts. I've never had any brutal impacts on my camera. But I'm not worries as I have it in a case, and if it fails it's just a case. Cases can wear out anyway.
If it's screws secured into metal it's likely going to be more secure than if it's into plastic. I don't know how it's secured. but if it's wood screws into plastic, no wonder it fails. Also temp changes and vibrations can cause the screws to loose, how fast it happens depends on materials, for example steel in aluminium will loosen fast. So taking it out in subzero temps it might loosen quite fast. For example a steel bottom bracket in a aluminium bicycle frame takes around 10 mins before it's loose if it's -10C. But if loose screws is a problem, use Loctite 243, it secures it for a long time, and you can easily undo it, and it handles temperature changes well, as long as the parts are not junk. Sometimes Loctite 243 won't help cus the parts are so bad. If screw is same material as it's screwed into it will be more secure. Aluminium in aluminium will be more secure. Steel in steel and so on.
It is possible that GOPRO will never add the magnetic hooks due to patent. It is obvious that they are not the inventors of this magnet hook mechanism and who ever invented this it might have a patent. If Gopro implement this they will have to pay licensing which menas a more expensive GoPro
They're already more expensive than the DJI Action 4 as it is now...never mind switching to a magnetic seating system.
these are magnetically guided mounts, as the magnets are purely for guiding the latching and unlatching process, and not responsible for latching onto the camera. DJI and Insta360 should both rephrase to avoid confusion.
So, I lost a camera on one of the magnetic mounts. They're quicker to mount, but unforgiving if you don't get it perfectly locked on. Riding a naked motorcycle the wind will rip the camera off if it's not completely locked on. I ended up ordering a dive case that I plan to modify once I get, but until then my replacement camera is zip tied in place. And this isn't me blaming the mount, if you get it right it's plenty strong, but if you make a mistake like I did, goodbye camera.
Are the mounts metal. My usage I break the plastic ones
I wonder how well those hooks hold up when getting wiped out by a wave. Are they plastic?
The mounts on all three cameras seem very strong. Great testing, thank for sharing.
On a serious note...GREAT video! The look on your face was priceless, and I feel it's safe to say that you were becoming slightly annoyed by the GoPro fans defending their mount with an ill-informed position regarding the competitors. Nice job proving the point and trying to stay neutral. (I still think side by side, the GoPro wins in image quality vs the others, minus the ACE in low light). But...all things considered, for mountain biking POV...the DJI Action 4 wins by virtue of all of the convenience factors, despite the GoPro beating it slightly in image quality. It "feels" like some of those differences could be overcome with a little simple saturation in post to make the colors a little more vibrant....but there's never much discussion about color in these review videos, and if they used the camera's color setting, or recorded flat and worked on it in post...or exactly what's going on.
Thanks for keeping us updated on various application of state of the art action cams. It is really helpful!
Your tests do not cover the most common scenario when mounts do fail. Basically, two strong forces with different directions applied at the same time - one to the mount and another to the camera. For example, camera is attached on top of a helmet, actor is riding a bike downhill, on a high speed camera hits low hanging strong tree branch, will the camera detach from the helmet mount? Or can you tear apart camera from magnetic mount by hands by just twisting and trying to separate them very hard?
I really want to see stabilized footage from the reciprocating saw 😁
Does all action cam still works after the shaking test???
Really great test! I always use the gopro floaty to my GoPros, There are a floaty to insta360 ace pro. Do you think I can have the ace pro with floaty mounted on a board, flip the screen up with ace pro and position the camera, flip down and do the shot? Is it possible to buy "magnetic mount and replace gopro mount on gopro 12, there are just som screws, maybe there are something after market like that.
Please post the videos taken from the 3 cameras while you were conducting the saw test so we can see how well their image stabilization works.
Are the Ace Pro and Go 3 mounts the same? It looks like they may be different.
Cool to see David is a Ridgid tool guy!
But for tests, i'd like to see the mounts tested with more shearing or twisting forces. It would better replicate the force applied if someone wipes out when doing something like mountain biking or snowboarding.
LOL 😂. He just showed you!
I need to get my hands on some broken cameras that have good mounts on them and really go nuts!
@@mstuartkendallno, he didn't. He showed a rapid shaking up/down motion, and a weight being applied directly down from the weight. I'm talking about a shearing or twisting motion, with direct force applied to the mounting points
@@DavidManningvlog yes please
You can f.ex compare it to how shipping containers are locked in place, that system is 4 points of contact aswell, secure enough to transport billion of tons of goods around every day all over the world.
Hey Dave 🙋🏻♂️, I wonder how the saw test affected the gyroscopes/image stabilisation on the cameras 🧐…. Also a more thrashing yet non destructive test would be to strap these to a jack hammer 😈
Hahaa! Yeah, I may have to recalibrate these things after that much shaking!🤣
This is the best action camera test/video
lol -- that sawzall test is hilarious. Well done David, Well done.
lol nice review, love it! Get on some safety glasses ;)
Need to use a hydraulic pull test to see how much pressure each can withstand before breaking (although they must break to know the limit). Would think that when they do break, it’s probably a shearing problem versus a weight problem.
David, mount all three cameras on your mountain bike handlebars and take the bike down a long outdoor staircase 🤪
Doesn’t Ulanzi make a retrofit magnetic mount for the GoPro already?
Try the opened Flipp screen of the Ace Pro when you are jumping into the water
You have your new tag line there, action cameras: “because they’re not 🧲 🧲!!!!” 🤣 well done!!
I spent half an hour trying to find a video proving how strong is the Insta360 magnetic mount. This video is the first to start the investigation. Here's a test: magentic mount to car, driving 75mph, in bad weather like 45mph wind gusts.
Really enjoyed this.
It's pretty simple GoPro still caters to the Action Camera market, people that snowboard, skateboard, mountain biking, parkour, base jump, and other extreme or action driven activities.
DJI and Insta360 are more focused on "influencers" of bloggers whose definition of action sports is riding an e-bike through a city.
When I used to mountain bike I would place my GoPro in a housing and tighten the sh.. out of it, because it was going to take a beating, and that is what the GoPro was created for.
David,
Would have liked to see the video shot while you were running the saw.
Be well and stay safe,
bf (Merry Christmas to all)
Big surf is what worries me the most concerning the mount
What camera do you use to record your videos?
David, I was really hoping you were going to push the record button on
each camera and sneak in an "extreme" stabilization test. 🤔😁👍
I really wanted a drop test from the kettle bells, to get a dynamic weight test, i get that you might break the feet but that would really show if its actually stronger or as strong as the bolted in mounts. Im more worried about my camera breaking free from the mount in a crash, or knocking loose unknowingly
Loved watching this blog, David. How about trying a centrifuge if you can figure out how to mount it.
Good job, what a funny test. 😂
When GoPro adopts the magnetic mount system, then I will upgrade from my current GoPro 10… I WANT THAT MAGNETIC MOUNT NOW!!!
Mounts are great and all, but, show us how well the stability in each camera handles recording while riding the wild Sawzall blade😅
You are SOOOOO bias for those magnetic mounts I cannot believe you can show your face. A real test would be to mount the go pro to the top of a dozer then drive over those weak magnetic mounts on the ground with a Caterpillar Bulldozer then stop on it, rotate with the camera under the track, move froward turn around and drop the blade on those mounts. All this while the GoPro records the death of magnetic mounts. You will see the superiority of the GoPro mount. Another fair test would be to mount the Go Pro on a tripod at ground level then toss those flimsy magnetic mounts out the door of a helicopter at 3,000 feet. Record them as those cheap magnetic mounts shatter into pieces on the concrete pavement ALL while the Go Pro records the carnage. This is a fair an un-bias way to test and CNN would approve of it to help you report on it professionally.
Hahahahaaaaa! CNN would approve🤣
I’ve never owned a action cam idk if I should get the ace pro or the GoPro 12 I want it for family vacation activities and travel
Interesting test. That's the first question I had when I saw those DJI and Insta360 mounts... what'll it take to make them fall off. I mount cameras all over my bike and ride up to highway speeds - and the GoPro feet have never [knock on wood] broken on me. Maybe I *can* trust these new mounts, after all?
I wish it had a place to attach a tether in case the mount does fail then you won't lose your camera.
@@Cameraflyer- that would be awesome! I bet you could rig something up - I see a lot of the adhesive tethers... so as long as THAT didn't let loose, you'd be OK.
Not sure any sensible person thinks that it's just a magnet that's keeping the mount attached to the camera.
Brilliant!! Best review ever 😂😂
This is awesome! I've had the GoPro thumb screws break off completely strapped onto a competitive go kart in one session. Maybe lateral violent shaking might be a better simulation?
As a skydiver, I don’t think I’d trust a magnet
I've bought more snap mount attachments for my hero 6 and hero 12 works well for the boom poles/tripods or magnetically attaching to yourself.
DUDE you crack me UP!🤘😎
No doubt they can all handle regular use, question comes if they can take a wipeout. Mounting to a helmet mount then swinging a weight on a string from set distance, increasing the weight or distance with each round, would be a true test but it will probably break the cameras. But I say if except that probability then get a tether so you don't lose your cam.
@david manning - if you wanted to take this to the extreme and really determine break points then I would suggest a collaboration between you and Project Farm. He tests everything and approaches his testing very methodically and as scientifically as possible. Would be a cool crossover video to see.
I think maybe for some people you'll need to draw pictures with crayon to get the point across. 🤣
if you're already using the Falcam quickrelease for action cameras you don't need the magnetic mounts anyway
David, you got the Dr Evil look when you are leaning back with the Reciprocating Saw blasting into orbit..... definitely you made a "solid" test ....lmfao
This was fun, but im not worried about any of these mounts failing by getting pulled directly down. It’s going to be a side hit. That said, I have been using GoPro since the original HD hero… Ive never broken a fingers fail. I have had the part you squeeze on a GoPro quick release break…. Many times.
Magnetic mounts are not reliable for action sports. That's why GoPro won't adopt them. You can purchase a magnetic mount for the GoPro if you really want one. Putting static weight on the Mount is not a good test. Sometimes you have a lateral shock from an impact that can knock the camera loose. All your testing involves vertical forces. Whack it against the table and I'll bet you that mount will fail. I asked Insta360 If the mount would be strong enough for skydiving and they said they don't recommend it. Now I have an Ace Pro that I can't use until someone makes a sturdy frame with a 1/4" thread for it.
Love it! Very entertaining!
They're not magnetic/clippy mounts. They're adapters for the GoPro feet. Get an adapter to replace the feet on the Hero 1x and you're good to go.
NEXT VIDEO. "I taped my action cameras to a reciprocating saw, and now one of them no longer works. Can you guess which one of these three pooped the bed?"
Sub zero battery life testing would be interesting.
-10c, -15C, -20C.... You could do that in a freezer if you don't have temps like that where you are. I live in east part of Norway, so it can get down to -15 few days, but -10C for long time. I've heard claims about Hero 12 being able to operate in 40C to -10C. And Action 4 even colder, I think it was -20C or something. But would be interesting to see how they actually do.
and of course midsummer temps like 30C.
With GoPro hero 7 it's only few seconds if it's -1C. But 4 Session takes -11C until battery runs out or I run out of storage, but it's a tiny battery anyway, so even in the summer I have to plug it to a battery bank. But I've retired it as my main camera, but consider using it for the winter as it gets so hot it handles cold temps. So I will do that unless I decide on an new action camera.
Yes, I cursed at you for cutting to that ad LOL
LOL, great test. I wonder how image stabilization would look with the sawzall test, lol.
Hahhaha I might need to post that🤣
I’ve seen action cameras on the outside of airplanes. The 100 mph wind and vibration would be a good test.
people seem to forget that GoPro already has quick release mounts
Elanzi makes twist off for GoPro it’s an added cost but for $20 you can get like 3-4 full sets which is all you’d need. Having said that I still think the magnetic mount is a good way to go. I don’t know what the long-term strength issues might be but on the surface it’s a clever idea.
Lateral shake test (90' from the camera) would be more like the forces on a action cam.
Dave, those are interesting tests - SAFETY GOGGLES!!! Also, the shake test would be more effective if the shaking more closely resembled actual use scenarios (random direction/variable speed shaking) like you'd find while doing most action sports scenarios. I appreciate that you've clarified the marketing hype and mislabeling the mounts as "magnetic mounts". They should be called magnetic-assist mounting systems.
Many commercial leaf blowers have MPH ratings up to, or even exceeding, 200 MPH. A successful test test at the 200+ MPH level should allay the concerns of most skydivers and motor sport enthusiasts. A 60 second test would cover most traditional skydives.