I'm curious what your take is on Twisted Fate, especially given he has been the most popular AND controversial legend since the start of Set 9. I stream regularly at www.twitch.tv/gm_blue so feel free to stop by if you enjoy my content and feel like hanging out. P.S: This is the best meta we have ever had for 1 and 2-tricking comps. Recommend learning Multis and Nilah if you are looking to climb and take advantage of the current TF meta.
I love TF. I was able to climb the ranks because of him. But this legend should not be allowed to be used in tournaments. It's suitable for average players who want a flexible style. Not a champion who makes money out of it. It was the same thing with Ornn. In the last patch, everybody was playing Ornn and WTForge, it was really overwhelming. They should use Poro in tournaments instead.
I said this when the set came out and legends were revealed, legends are balanced when poro is meta. The original concept of legends was to provide weaker 3-2 and 4-2 augments but give you safe consistent options meaning that poro gives more stronger augments by default. We’re so close to that legend balance (some legends are outright unplayable) but the biggest issue is tf. If twisted fate is reworked to not provide pandora’s and some other legends getting some buffs they need I think legends could potentially be in the best state they’ve been all set.
Yeah just make it give X Reforgers or get a Reforger every X Rounds or make it give Component Buffet (when you get component you instead get a component anvil) problem solved
Unfortunately we're rapidly approaching the point where the devs aren't going to spend resources balancing something like legends when the new set is around the corner. PBE in just a couple weeks. Hopefully it will be a bit better by worlds in any case.
Maybe if pandoras item being the last pick of the augment might help balance more. It forces players to choose whether they slam items early or hold off to certain point to see if it'll be worth the risk
yeah for sure. Nowadays u can just load up, find some units and land pandoras and be like yeah lemme make this double rfc for nilah or morde, game over already chose my comp.
GM elo SINCE SET 1 here, i love 4 cost meta, i loved set 9 and i think set 9.5 is the worst set in history. Legends are not the problem, legends were in a good state in a balanced set (mid/end of set 9). Tf is broken now because its 2 months of reroll only meta and 0 viable end game comps except vanquishers. 2 months. No matter how many z-patch you want to do, 1-2 cost units are stronger than 4-5 cost since the beginning of the set. Tf legend is the easiest way to force broken comps. Fix the broken comps and no one will play tf again (like in set 9 after the nerf of zeke garen). Remove toxic RFC interaction on nilah/morde and no one will sacrifice a real augment to seek double RFC (like in set 9 after the yasuo rfc interaction removal the set became really enjoyable). They did the same errors during early set 9 and fixed those, now they STARTED AGAIN from zero, that's a fkin joke
THANK YOU. Finally someone who actually understands what's going on. Revert Nasus, revert Silco, revert J4, revert Xayah, buff the challenger trait, buff Bel'veth. When all the 4 and 5 costs are shit except a handful in a few niche scenarios, of course people are going to commit to some reroll on 2-1. Set 9 was in such a good spot at the end. It's honestly kind of unfathomable how bad 9.5 still is this many patches in. Also the trait tree is a complete mess...
I think they should just switch pandoras to 3-2 instead of 2-1. It's not a perfect solution but it will help solve the problem a fair bit without having to get rid of the augment from TF altogether.
The main problem with TF is that he will almost always be the best pick whenever certain traits/champions are not balanced as playing anything else will be an -EV play due to the consistency he provides. This means that he's usually optimal for about half the season because that's usually the amount of time the game is not properly balanced. If they want to keep TF as it is they would probably have to reduce RNG on component gain somehow. (E.g. X amount of components will be anvils instead) This will make you less likely to be gimped by the randomness and reduce TF's value overall. But having to fundamentally change how the game works to target 1 legend just proves he's unbalanced so who knows what they'll do
Thanks for the video. Really highlights what’s happening right now. I’ve completely stopped playing TFT, every single game it’s TF / multi casters. I’m sick of it. How does my board with Azir and nasus 3 lose to MC? It’s a joke. I hate this patch.
@@sebastianricard7910 Depends on how geared up the multicasters are as well as nasus/azir items. Multicasters can absolutely deal with a 3 star 4 cost in certain scenarios because they dish out so much aoe damage immediately.
lol, its preference and people flex between both of them. TF is just obviously better right now because of the meta, but if you enjoy poro go ahead and choose it. There's still some players who choose poro. I'd rather be able to make items off the bat and make a bis tf or something and then just win the game
Being able to identify what comps to go with ur items and slamming non bis items was always such a big part of tft. Reroll meta is already boring and repetitive enough and this bis greed shit makes it 100 times worse. What happened to flex play style?
I think the problem is that the gap between optimal and non optimal items is too big, nilah/morde are completely different champions with rfc vs without. If non optimal items could preform at 95% rather than 50% effectiveness compared to rfc then TF wouldn’t have the same viability because giving up the augment to get the items wouldn’t be as strong of a payout, so they could alternatively nerf RFC (which I hardly see outside of these comps) or nerf how it interacts with these champions. Same approach for the ideal multi caster items etc. that way TF guarantee of perfect items doesn’t have as much impact but still fills the niche for players who want ideal items and/or don’t know how to play around non-ideal items. I have been playing a lot of piltover zaun/gunners and I really like how flexible the comp is in regard to item use since silco and ekko can use mana/ap items, vi and WW can use tank items and the gunners can use ad/attack speed items. Feels like I can win through any variety of items not just a specific set. It would be really cool to see one of your super guides on the piltover gunners
Got GrandMaster at the start of this set and haven't played since 13.19B so I think I would like to share my thoughts on Legends. They don't really add anything to the game except making it easier to force comps and playstyles. The novelty of it wears off fast. But about Twisted Fate in particular as a Legend. The problem feels more related to the current item system than Pandora's Items itself. Mort had said that items becoming Stat Sticks with weaker effects and the removal of utility items such as Locket and Zz'rot was so that there would be less of a difference between BIS and non-BIS but at this point it kinda doesn't feel like that. The difference between an RFC Nilah or a Rageblade Aphelios compared to their itemless version still is huge and I honestly don't know if it's something that will ever be fixed for some units. And about Support Items being removed. Possibly one of the worst mistakes TFT ever did, it completely removes flexibility and it basically forced me on my climb to GM to always pick TF, the reason is that your carry isn't the only unit on your bench that you will put items on and since items are so important you're severely punished for that. Now you need a Carry, a Tank and a Secondary Carry in most comps, but before one could for example slap a Zz' rot on a weak 1 star on the front-line and a Shroud on a random trait bot. Now I'm stuck with an Evenshroud for an AP comp or a Night Harvester that I'm unable to use well because my carries already have items. You need TF or otherwise you're risking not having a tank or a secondary carry
In theory, you can play around your opener. If you're forced to slam evenshroud, don't play AP. In practice, though, the game isn't good enough for that. Xayah without Ionia+1 is trash, for example, so if you slam LW on stage 2, it's basically just gunners or bust. But once you're at that point - rolling down for 1 exact comp on lvl 7 - then you might as well just play TF and make it a real comp instead of a random one. In a world where Xayah AD flex AND gunner flex on lvl 7 is viable, it's an entirely different game.
I think what they can do with TF is just make the silver augment only roll items a few times every stage. Gold rolls every second round and then platnimuk stays the same. Ez nerf while not changing whay it does.
I haven't only played TF while playing TFT, but if I'm ever kind of just chilling and wanting to see comps to their best possible, it's who I play. Not necessarily something I want everyone doing, but I really like being able to wait for my items to make someone like Nilah really fun to watch tear through a team or Kayle attack 100/sec with double rageblade.
I fluctuate in Gold/Plat and I think TF forcing once once it gets to high elo is too much. It's way funner to try and calculate the risk vs reward of waiting for potentially BiS in later carousels/creep rounds vs slamming a 70% effectiveness item for potential win streaking/reducing HP loss. Just waiting for BiS items for a forced comp is lame.
Agreed. TF is so boring. You make a whole bunch of decisions on 2-1 and then you have to play a 35 min game where most of the important decisions have already been made. It's not TFT. It's TFT for 5 min and then see what placement you get.
I'm a gold player and I've really tried out various legends like ezreal, cait, lee sin, even someone like aurelion sol and some games of veigar ranked. Trying to climb and facing against top 5 place players that have BiS items on meta comps (ionian vanquishers god forbid they get ionian emblem with reroll ashe, multi casters) always kills my mood when they burst you to the ground and consistently force you to go 6th and beyond and sometimes even 8th for me when I get unlucky and everyone is high rolling for vanquishers or multi-casters and making my HP go to below 50 by the end of the 4th round. losing a single game to 7th to 8th potentially is a massive drop in near 50 LP (I couldn't believe it when I dropped -48 going last when I expected at most -30+). So yeah I had to give in to TF legend and going into decent comps early and flexing into multi-casters once the players starts dying out and the other ppl playing the same comp die out and give me the units I need. In fact, most of the time climbing a little I sit on 2 star TF and just level up to get into my azir+jarvan and if I'm lucky then go out with a 3 star TF then while rolling down for more 2 star jarvan and 2-3 star azir. fyi I mainly like to play samira reroll until I consistently get forced to 5th place and below and had to settle with more meta comps to not lose my mind and go -50LP by going 8th.
One game I was looking to play 6 gunner cause I got a crest, but I highrolled a K'sante at 8 and only had 1 star Graves on bench so I thought I was doing the correct choice of pivoting to 6 bastion 4 gunner instead, but apparently that ended up being wrong as my Aphelios tickled the enemy and my frontline melted to the two RFC/GS Nilahs despite having bramble Shen and double mana item K'sante, guess I should've played TF and hard forced a meta comp as well.
not just TF. Legends in general have been a big down for me this set. While it is fun when you play once in a while and want to try different things, when you play a lot and just have to play the legend that is considered the best atm to have best chances at winning
They're not wrong, Tft was about decision making and creating the best out of whatever you have. A make lemonade from lemons kind of thing, legends make it where you always have what you want. It's so funny playing on a no augment portal, so many in high elo can't do anything. Without the gimmicks sooo many people would quit the game and call the set trash
That's not really true of legends though. Orn, for example, is perfectly consistent with the heart of TFT, especially now that the gold only gives 2 options on 2-1. You have to play completely differently with, say, sniper's vs death's defiance. Mogul's mail can be a free top2, but it'll often make you go 8th. I like orn a lot.
Even though Dishsoap is against TF, since no one voted to ban the TF Legend, then he has to play BIS legend and goes TF. It is cursed right now, I was able to force TF Multicasters every game and it's free speedrun climb. Am I really learning the game?
TF giving items is just insane given that it allows you to select your perfect items. I think legends should give weaker versions of augments. For example, the TF version should not give ANY items at all and just gives you rerolls.
I'm glad you didn't blame the TF legend itself. I see so many people blaming it, but it is not the problem. All it does is *expose* the underlying balancing issues: 1. Multicasters are ridiculously overtuned. 2. Taking the starting mana off of shojin and AA was terrible. Now, BB >>> any other mana item. This makes the entire AP tree way more dependent on exact BiS. 3. Challenger trait is utter shit. 4. Nerfed all the combat augments into the ground. The issue isn't TF. The issue is that the exact meta boards are so much more powerful than anything else that you can just open sac or hard force them. It doesn't matter if someone has a 30 gold 20 hp advantage on you unless they also end up on one of those boards. Things like gifts, stats, etc have also been nerfed so much that the opportunity cost of going pandora's is so much lower. I actually think the Nilah/Cho flex is close to being okay. The TF legend feels like it's supposed to be for comps like that. It's the extra multicaster out that really breaks the entire patch. I hate when people blame TF. Without TF, multis would be just as toxic, but it would just be more random who gets the BB to make it work.
Masters player here, Yeah it's insanely cringe how good Pandoras is, every single pandoras type of augment is legit a tier above its augment's power(mayb except gold pandora box), pandoras bench, silver pandora's box, and then the prismatic one, although weak is legit radiant armory but better cuz u can infinnitely roll the radiant item
For me as a somewhat slow player who cant do things in a split second TF is a lifesaver. Before TF I was constantly making stupid mistakes and it was driving me crazy. Now its all chill. You know that even if you are wasting time waiting for items you are not screwed.
That's what differentiates a high elo and low elo player. High elo players dont need few mins to make a decision. TF allows high elo lobbies to worry about other things while being constantly on control of itemization. When tft devs makes the game, they think about the bigger picture, how the meta affects the pro scene, high elo and what not. All the past legends has been a numbers game almost all the time when it comes to balancing. But the meta is so bad right now that you have to hard force a comp and hit units, not hitting the correct items in this meta puts you on an unbelievable disadvantage. Now some people brings argument about how TF is good for beginners. Well, there were 8 more sets before the current one and none of them had legends in it. People still picked up the game and enjoyed it. This game shouldn't revolve around a comp guide from internet. It should be much more.
My take as fairly low elo (plat) is tf is just boring and makes a game boring. I want suprises, shifts in tactics decided by a random component or champion or augment. Not just pre programed plan for a game. The games I am most proud of and that I enjoyed the most are those when I have adapted to circumstances presented to me or did something unconventional and was rewarded for it.
Ya, TF legend needs a rework. I like the suggestion that I saw here of moving pandoras items back to 3-2 (or even 4-2). I've been playing multicaster reroll for about 4.5 weeks now. Hit D1 before the rework, and Master after the 13.20 and B patch. Before the rework, it was incredibly easy to T3 because I always had BIS items and could force MCs since absolutely nobody played them. Now MCs are highly contested, but you still dont have to worry about items. TF legend makes the comp (and others) so easily forceable every game. It is not healthy for the game longterm.
I don't think the problem is in TF legend itself but rather the fact that carries in 9.5 are way too reliant on very specific items. Azir really needs Nashors/Rageblade, Morde and Nilah really need RFC, Kai'Sa really needs Shojin, Kayle is 100% unplayable without Rageblade if not 2 of them etc The difference between having and not having those specific items is way too big.
Personally I think most legends are a great addition to the game. It's just the bad apples like TF which can force a playstyle no matter the augment rarity. Imagine if Pandora's Items was a gold augment exclusive guarantee for TF, it wouldn't be as bad as it is now. Also that would stop everyone from voting for the University / Workshop portals, 'cos I'm sick of seeing those two every single match.
Honestly as a plat 1 player I've been struggling to get consistent finishes in games for the past few days before that I was forcing Bastion Silco and Aphelios but now I either go 3rd/4th or 8th there is no in-between. And to be fair TFT has lost it's credibility for me atleast there is constantly 1 or 2 comps that rule the game and if you want to play something else well you are fucked. Also the fact that by the time I get to lvl 7. Some people have 2 star 4 costs or just an overall belter of a board is kind of a mood killer since I sit down to play and relax but for the past few weeks it's been a nightmare.
man ive always played tf.. i dont want him gone or nerfed... never played anything else because everything else depends on luck way too much. like i can get the best augments and champs, but if all my items are AD and im multicaster, ill lose the fing game... what if they fix this the right way? by making pandoras the norm. not an augment. just everyone has it in every game without picking an augment. so that we dont depend too much on luck.
I've been comfortable with TF because of BIS items but I just play Nilah or Morde carry. If there's no BIS on carries I think TF legend will be unusable. However I have to agree this meta is not healthy.
Competitive TFT is a joke. The TF legend provides consistency for items to play the best comps on current patch. It's a no brainer when units become broken and some are only viable based on having certain items. Same thing happened when 5 cost units were way too strong which made A-sol to be spammed for the consistency of reaching lv. 9 to roll down. Legends are by design to force a playstyle so I don't see how this is even a discussion when juggling balance between units and guaranteed augments seemed foolhardy. Poro should only be used if we want to highlight the strategic aspect of TFT, which is generally absent in most cases at higher levels of play when winning is what matters at the end.
The problem is this set item for champion is suck there is no more flex item. every unit have to use bis for being a unit. If don't have it suck. TF are coming out for many months but there aren't a problem.
I like tf being there and i like the fact that some comps are much better with BiS than with random items and have TF ready, but when the meta is TF flex....
I think they should give twisted fate the component anvil augment instead of pandoras and make pandoras a random augment. This makes it so you cant greed BIS but you can have more options for your item builds.
In my humble opinion TF makes the game have less “skill”. As in you are nearly guaranteed to hit best in slot items on every unit in your composition. I firmly believe that being able to reach top 4/5 consistently with whatever you get from RNGesus and being able to make the best out of the worst is a big part of the skill in TFT. Yet as I play to win I have TF nearly every game. With that being said please take my opinion with a pinch of salt as I am nothing more than a diamond player that occasionally hits master.
maybe im the only one think tf is make the game more about stratge then just lck many good player just loss becus the dont have good items and other have and i think that not fair for game should consider as stratge game
The balance is complete shit. That's why TF is good. It has nothing to do with legends or pandora's items. It's also why URF is good. You can pick your emblem or pick your BiS, open fort until 3-2 or 3-5, roll down, and then hit a board that can 8-streak. It's ridiculous. All the complexity is gone.
Legends should be removed from high ranked and pro, period. Mort said tf is for casual players who want to try out the comps they want, then they should have kept it in casual games only.
I love tf cuz im new and managed to climb to diamond in less than a month, by focusing on knowing which comp i can build without much care from items. Tho thats prolly problematic as i dont think ur supposed to climb to diamond that quick in just 200 games. It made me learn the gane so much faster.
@Eric-ew5fy typical gatekeeper, u must play this game this way, or ur not playing the game comeone now. I hate games where ur pretty much there to lose cuz of rng (this happens vice versa too, of course when ur just given a free win) Like i said, it removed an aspect of the game i hate its incredibly tilting when ur not hitting at all, getting items that the units ur getting cant utilize properly. Also mentioned im new and made learning the game alot faster. The legend is not the problem its how little comps r viable and how these comps r reliant on bis items. I played abit of set 9.0 and TF wasnt that strong as combat augments like vlad yi and veigar or urf cuz comps r not so reliant on BIS and ur giving up combat augments with TF yet i was still able to climb to plat.
@@EdisArchivethey should just remove legends from ranked at this point. Players like this guy can just climb by forcing op comps and bis, without any knowledge of tempo and items.
whole legends picking was a bad move for TFT. creates this consistency what makes games more likely to look like another. I hope they remove this feature in the next set.
As a master I dont enjoy the game at all, I only enjoy playing flex and all the games are decided on the stage 2.1 or 2.2 literally people just forcing comp there is no randomness no skill needed and this is awful for the game imo hope they remove all legends, the maps are fine tho
I am a low diamond, and I will say I enjoy legends. I also always gravitated towards reroll comps. That said, in healthy metas/metas I enjoy typically it's just me or 1 other person doing an early reroll of 1 or 2 costs. I will say right now, the problem with this meta is that there are ZERO viable 3 cost carries or units in general you want rerolled. TFT typically feels balanced when a few people are going for 1/2 cost carries, a few people are going 3 cost, most settle on 4, and a few seek 5 cost. I am calling it right now, the issue with 9.5 set is that the only viable 3 cost carries are Vel, who is basically outperformed by twisted fate and is integral to void comps so you can't realistically seek him, and Ekko whom if you're playing "might as well reroll Graves too." Without anyone seeking 3 cost rerolls, players are forced into a binary choice of whether they want to reroll early or roll late as opposed to any mid game chances to seek carries. All comps currently, except Nilah/vanqs, is essentially early reroll (Morde and Fiora are just "I went Sam/Kayle and got my 4 cost along the way") and that is because there are no good 3 cost carries to focus on. Normally, people going for early rerolls will stomp late rollers mid game but get stomped by people rerolling 3 costs. NOW, since no one is rerolling any 3 cost, the option is either reroll early or get stomped constantly and have an enormous HP deficit from the rest of the lobby. Vanqs only exists as the only late game option because it is overtuned af and has the highest cap of anything, in a different meta it would be extremely broken. Azir is simply cope at this point and gambling on if you survive to have a mediocre cap. TF is simply "the legend you choose for low cost rerolls" alongside Lee Sin, but due to probabilities and pricing of units of appearing in shop Lee Sin matters more for 3 cost rerolling than 1 and 2 cost. The odds are higher so you don't NEED Lee Sin. Since there are no 3 cost rerolls that are viable, people are forced to choose the highest cap possible to near guarantee a win if you hit it (vanq) or early reroll, and TF is best for early rerolls. The answer to fixing this meta is to buff 3 star units (and nerf vanqs) so players start to opt for mid game rerolling to add variety. Mid game rerollers get wrecked by late game rerollers, late game rerollers get wrecked by early game rerollers, and early game rerollers get wrecked by mid game rerollers. Without mid game rerollers, the balance of the game is thrown off completely. Buff the 3 costs because as it is now they are basically trait slaves and no one cares.
Everyone can okay TF tho…it’s in the game lol. Dude hates TF but still played him. Look ya wanna fox pandoras items? Make it so it costs 2g to reroll items.
As with most TFT changes and gimmicks, none of this shit ultimately matters to casuals like me. Like many commenters have said, legends make the game easier/slower/more fun for us, as intended. But there are two simple fixes here, one short term and one long term: Short term, Poro-only for tourneys. Enough said. Long term, make sure that champions don't rely on or improve drastically with certain items. The fact that you could tell what comps/champs people were aiming for in the clip you mentioned isn't TF's fault; it's this extreme dependence or efficacy of certain item+champ combos that makes it obvious (for high ELOs at least). If we live in a world where no champ becomes a death wedgie because of RFC, guess what, you wouldn't necessarily know what they're going for just because they're hoarding arrows. Yes, it's inevitable that tryhards will find the optimal items to combo with champs. But such combos should give just a minor percentage bump needed to win in such tough environments, not create OP champs or comps.
Legends are a mistake. Just like hero augments last set. They need to stop trying to take rng out of the game. If anyone played companions in MTG before they got nerfed Legends are the same thing. Guarantees are a bad idea in a game full of rng and skill expression.
Maybe an easy fix to balance TF would be to have the items randomize at the beginning of each stage as opposed to every round. Not going to lie, he's been fun af to play though 😂
People have to stop being meta oriented, playing off-meta teams the right way is so much more fun anyway, people dont know how to counter since all they see is "this meta op do this or surrender"
when they will solve their problems related to tft being a game of chance and chance, then let people complain about tf legend. it is too much to rely only on the luck of the game, which is not guaranteed or has no protection against the bad luck of not finding champions when you are at the optimal level to find them and there are no other opponents to buy the same champion. or to be unlucky in getting what heroes you want, but all the items to be totally opposite. to need AP items and you only get AD and TANK. People have just come to realize that they prefer to have a little control over what can happen over just relying on RNG
NA pros bitching just because they are bad. thats about it. They always bitch about the game. In diamond I dont feel like the game is decided by tf legend. Everyone makes mistakes in those games anyway.
I see a lot of understandable sentiment here, but I still think Poro and Urf are about as effective as TF. Urf is less consistent but opens up some of the rarest and most viable decks in the meta. Poro has more consistency. Further, I think Chinese players would see TF as less of an issue.
legends have always been cancer, sick of riot, sick of mort, no offense to anyone but dont make a competitive game if ur gonna heavily cater to casuals constantly
If a player with Poro can beat 3-4 Twisted Fate players in a lobby, it's not that bad, imo. They've also nerfed augments for Twisted Fate, so Poro is better than TF now anyways. I'm not seeing why everyone is still mad about it.
Lmao I just had to look at your channel to realize how wrong your take is, you’re Gold. Meaning you have very little understanding of the game and the meta than any of the high elo players playing TF and forcing x comps.
set 9.5 de worst set in the history of this game, double RFC Nilah, TF legend and multicast. if you try play azir u going 8th because by the time u hit azir u only have 30 HP left. so u have to force this broken ass comps. boring!!
I'm curious what your take is on Twisted Fate, especially given he has been the most popular AND controversial legend since the start of Set 9. I stream regularly at www.twitch.tv/gm_blue so feel free to stop by if you enjoy my content and feel like hanging out.
P.S: This is the best meta we have ever had for 1 and 2-tricking comps. Recommend learning Multis and Nilah if you are looking to climb and take advantage of the current TF meta.
I love TF. I was able to climb the ranks because of him. But this legend should not be allowed to be used in tournaments. It's suitable for average players who want a flexible style. Not a champion who makes money out of it.
It was the same thing with Ornn. In the last patch, everybody was playing Ornn and WTForge, it was really overwhelming.
They should use Poro in tournaments instead.
I said this when the set came out and legends were revealed, legends are balanced when poro is meta. The original concept of legends was to provide weaker 3-2 and 4-2 augments but give you safe consistent options meaning that poro gives more stronger augments by default. We’re so close to that legend balance (some legends are outright unplayable) but the biggest issue is tf. If twisted fate is reworked to not provide pandora’s and some other legends getting some buffs they need I think legends could potentially be in the best state they’ve been all set.
Yeah just make it give X Reforgers or get a Reforger every X Rounds or make it give Component Buffet (when you get component you instead get a component anvil) problem solved
Unfortunately we're rapidly approaching the point where the devs aren't going to spend resources balancing something like legends when the new set is around the corner. PBE in just a couple weeks. Hopefully it will be a bit better by worlds in any case.
I think legends was a mistake, it guarantees augments which feels very anti-tft
Asol was problematic before now TF is problematic now. was never really a good spot foran of em
Legends are cool but augments suck
@@epser5842this makes no sense at all, legends wouldn't exist without augments
@@Zapp94100% agree hahah what do you need legends if there are no augments lol
Bring back the good Old sets with no Bullshit no Augment just good old TFT
Maybe if pandoras item being the last pick of the augment might help balance more. It forces players to choose whether they slam items early or hold off to certain point to see if it'll be worth the risk
yeah for sure. Nowadays u can just load up, find some units and land pandoras and be like yeah lemme make this double rfc for nilah or morde, game over already chose my comp.
@krash6951 yea...the fact that you can tell exactly what comp people are going for by 2-2 says alot about the current state of the game...
GM elo SINCE SET 1 here, i love 4 cost meta, i loved set 9 and i think set 9.5 is the worst set in history. Legends are not the problem, legends were in a good state in a balanced set (mid/end of set 9). Tf is broken now because its 2 months of reroll only meta and 0 viable end game comps except vanquishers. 2 months. No matter how many z-patch you want to do, 1-2 cost units are stronger than 4-5 cost since the beginning of the set. Tf legend is the easiest way to force broken comps. Fix the broken comps and no one will play tf again (like in set 9 after the nerf of zeke garen). Remove toxic RFC interaction on nilah/morde and no one will sacrifice a real augment to seek double RFC (like in set 9 after the yasuo rfc interaction removal the set became really enjoyable). They did the same errors during early set 9 and fixed those, now they STARTED AGAIN from zero, that's a fkin joke
Agree 100%, good old sets before augments, better days
THANK YOU. Finally someone who actually understands what's going on. Revert Nasus, revert Silco, revert J4, revert Xayah, buff the challenger trait, buff Bel'veth. When all the 4 and 5 costs are shit except a handful in a few niche scenarios, of course people are going to commit to some reroll on 2-1. Set 9 was in such a good spot at the end. It's honestly kind of unfathomable how bad 9.5 still is this many patches in. Also the trait tree is a complete mess...
I think they should just switch pandoras to 3-2 instead of 2-1. It's not a perfect solution but it will help solve the problem a fair bit without having to get rid of the augment from TF altogether.
The main problem with TF is that he will almost always be the best pick whenever certain traits/champions are not balanced as playing anything else will be an -EV play due to the consistency he provides. This means that he's usually optimal for about half the season because that's usually the amount of time the game is not properly balanced.
If they want to keep TF as it is they would probably have to reduce RNG on component gain somehow. (E.g. X amount of components will be anvils instead) This will make you less likely to be gimped by the randomness and reduce TF's value overall. But having to fundamentally change how the game works to target 1 legend just proves he's unbalanced so who knows what they'll do
Thanks for the video. Really highlights what’s happening right now.
I’ve completely stopped playing TFT, every single game it’s TF / multi casters. I’m sick of it. How does my board with Azir and nasus 3 lose to MC? It’s a joke. I hate this patch.
nasus 3 star never loses to mulitcasters
@@sebastianricard7910 Depends on how geared up the multicasters are as well as nasus/azir items. Multicasters can absolutely deal with a 3 star 4 cost in certain scenarios because they dish out so much aoe damage immediately.
I don't understand why Poro legend is not already forced in pro play, feels like a no brainer fix for any imbalance between legends
I saw the chinese 1 player playing with poro, so insane how he beats everyone with poro
lol, its preference and people flex between both of them. TF is just obviously better right now because of the meta, but if you enjoy poro go ahead and choose it. There's still some players who choose poro. I'd rather be able to make items off the bat and make a bis tf or something and then just win the game
Being able to identify what comps to go with ur items and slamming non bis items was always such a big part of tft. Reroll meta is already boring and repetitive enough and this bis greed shit makes it 100 times worse. What happened to flex play style?
I think the problem is that the gap between optimal and non optimal items is too big, nilah/morde are completely different champions with rfc vs without. If non optimal items could preform at 95% rather than 50% effectiveness compared to rfc then TF wouldn’t have the same viability because giving up the augment to get the items wouldn’t be as strong of a payout, so they could alternatively nerf RFC (which I hardly see outside of these comps) or nerf how it interacts with these champions. Same approach for the ideal multi caster items etc. that way TF guarantee of perfect items doesn’t have as much impact but still fills the niche for players who want ideal items and/or don’t know how to play around non-ideal items. I have been playing a lot of piltover zaun/gunners and I really like how flexible the comp is in regard to item use since silco and ekko can use mana/ap items, vi and WW can use tank items and the gunners can use ad/attack speed items. Feels like I can win through any variety of items not just a specific set. It would be really cool to see one of your super guides on the piltover gunners
Got GrandMaster at the start of this set and haven't played since 13.19B so I think I would like to share my thoughts on Legends. They don't really add anything to the game except making it easier to force comps and playstyles. The novelty of it wears off fast.
But about Twisted Fate in particular as a Legend. The problem feels more related to the current item system than Pandora's Items itself. Mort had said that items becoming Stat Sticks with weaker effects and the removal of utility items such as Locket and Zz'rot was so that there would be less of a difference between BIS and non-BIS but at this point it kinda doesn't feel like that. The difference between an RFC Nilah or a Rageblade Aphelios compared to their itemless version still is huge and I honestly don't know if it's something that will ever be fixed for some units.
And about Support Items being removed. Possibly one of the worst mistakes TFT ever did, it completely removes flexibility and it basically forced me on my climb to GM to always pick TF, the reason is that your carry isn't the only unit on your bench that you will put items on and since items are so important you're severely punished for that. Now you need a Carry, a Tank and a Secondary Carry in most comps, but before one could for example slap a Zz' rot on a weak 1 star on the front-line and a Shroud on a random trait bot. Now I'm stuck with an Evenshroud for an AP comp or a Night Harvester that I'm unable to use well because my carries already have items. You need TF or otherwise you're risking not having a tank or a secondary carry
In theory, you can play around your opener. If you're forced to slam evenshroud, don't play AP. In practice, though, the game isn't good enough for that. Xayah without Ionia+1 is trash, for example, so if you slam LW on stage 2, it's basically just gunners or bust. But once you're at that point - rolling down for 1 exact comp on lvl 7 - then you might as well just play TF and make it a real comp instead of a random one.
In a world where Xayah AD flex AND gunner flex on lvl 7 is viable, it's an entirely different game.
I think what they can do with TF is just make the silver augment only roll items a few times every stage. Gold rolls every second round and then platnimuk stays the same. Ez nerf while not changing whay it does.
I haven't only played TF while playing TFT, but if I'm ever kind of just chilling and wanting to see comps to their best possible, it's who I play. Not necessarily something I want everyone doing, but I really like being able to wait for my items to make someone like Nilah really fun to watch tear through a team or Kayle attack 100/sec with double rageblade.
should make pandoras items a 3-2 augment for tf. Then you'd have to greed bis longer making it much more of a gamble.
I fluctuate in Gold/Plat and I think TF forcing once once it gets to high elo is too much. It's way funner to try and calculate the risk vs reward of waiting for potentially BiS in later carousels/creep rounds vs slamming a 70% effectiveness item for potential win streaking/reducing HP loss. Just waiting for BiS items for a forced comp is lame.
Agreed. TF is so boring. You make a whole bunch of decisions on 2-1 and then you have to play a 35 min game where most of the important decisions have already been made. It's not TFT. It's TFT for 5 min and then see what placement you get.
I'm a gold player and I've really tried out various legends like ezreal, cait, lee sin, even someone like aurelion sol and some games of veigar ranked. Trying to climb and facing against top 5 place players that have BiS items on meta comps (ionian vanquishers god forbid they get ionian emblem with reroll ashe, multi casters) always kills my mood when they burst you to the ground and consistently force you to go 6th and beyond and sometimes even 8th for me when I get unlucky and everyone is high rolling for vanquishers or multi-casters and making my HP go to below 50 by the end of the 4th round.
losing a single game to 7th to 8th potentially is a massive drop in near 50 LP (I couldn't believe it when I dropped -48 going last when I expected at most -30+). So yeah I had to give in to TF legend and going into decent comps early and flexing into multi-casters once the players starts dying out and the other ppl playing the same comp die out and give me the units I need. In fact, most of the time climbing a little I sit on 2 star TF and just level up to get into my azir+jarvan and if I'm lucky then go out with a 3 star TF then while rolling down for more 2 star jarvan and 2-3 star azir.
fyi I mainly like to play samira reroll until I consistently get forced to 5th place and below and had to settle with more meta comps to not lose my mind and go -50LP by going 8th.
On that graph; yellow mountain is Orn, teal is Poro, brown is TF, gold is master Yi. Not sure who the rest are. Green is maybe Urf? Orange Ezreal?
One game I was looking to play 6 gunner cause I got a crest, but I highrolled a K'sante at 8 and only had 1 star Graves on bench so I thought I was doing the correct choice of pivoting to 6 bastion 4 gunner instead, but apparently that ended up being wrong as my Aphelios tickled the enemy and my frontline melted to the two RFC/GS Nilahs despite having bramble Shen and double mana item K'sante, guess I should've played TF and hard forced a meta comp as well.
not just TF. Legends in general have been a big down for me this set. While it is fun when you play once in a while and want to try different things, when you play a lot and just have to play the legend that is considered the best atm to have best chances at winning
Just if they can have a set like set 4-4.5 with the chosen and remove legends would be better
They're not wrong, Tft was about decision making and creating the best out of whatever you have. A make lemonade from lemons kind of thing, legends make it where you always have what you want. It's so funny playing on a no augment portal, so many in high elo can't do anything. Without the gimmicks sooo many people would quit the game and call the set trash
That's not really true of legends though. Orn, for example, is perfectly consistent with the heart of TFT, especially now that the gold only gives 2 options on 2-1. You have to play completely differently with, say, sniper's vs death's defiance. Mogul's mail can be a free top2, but it'll often make you go 8th. I like orn a lot.
i think pandoras items needs to go for abit... or maybe shift its power to be prismatic early with a bunch of items.
Even though Dishsoap is against TF, since no one voted to ban the TF Legend, then he has to play BIS legend and goes TF. It is cursed right now, I was able to force TF Multicasters every game and it's free speedrun climb. Am I really learning the game?
TF giving items is just insane given that it allows you to select your perfect items. I think legends should give weaker versions of augments. For example, the TF version should not give ANY items at all and just gives you rerolls.
Just wanted to say, your streams are great. Have really helped me with the game. Thanks!
I'm glad you didn't blame the TF legend itself. I see so many people blaming it, but it is not the problem. All it does is *expose* the underlying balancing issues:
1. Multicasters are ridiculously overtuned.
2. Taking the starting mana off of shojin and AA was terrible. Now, BB >>> any other mana item. This makes the entire AP tree way more dependent on exact BiS.
3. Challenger trait is utter shit.
4. Nerfed all the combat augments into the ground.
The issue isn't TF. The issue is that the exact meta boards are so much more powerful than anything else that you can just open sac or hard force them. It doesn't matter if someone has a 30 gold 20 hp advantage on you unless they also end up on one of those boards. Things like gifts, stats, etc have also been nerfed so much that the opportunity cost of going pandora's is so much lower.
I actually think the Nilah/Cho flex is close to being okay. The TF legend feels like it's supposed to be for comps like that. It's the extra multicaster out that really breaks the entire patch. I hate when people blame TF. Without TF, multis would be just as toxic, but it would just be more random who gets the BB to make it work.
Masters player here,
Yeah it's insanely cringe how good Pandoras is, every single pandoras type of augment is legit a tier above its augment's power(mayb except gold pandora box), pandoras bench, silver pandora's box, and then the prismatic one, although weak is legit radiant armory but better cuz u can infinnitely roll the radiant item
For me as a somewhat slow player who cant do things in a split second TF is a lifesaver. Before TF I was constantly making stupid mistakes and it was driving me crazy. Now its all chill. You know that even if you are wasting time waiting for items you are not screwed.
That's what differentiates a high elo and low elo player. High elo players dont need few mins to make a decision. TF allows high elo lobbies to worry about other things while being constantly on control of itemization. When tft devs makes the game, they think about the bigger picture, how the meta affects the pro scene, high elo and what not. All the past legends has been a numbers game almost all the time when it comes to balancing. But the meta is so bad right now that you have to hard force a comp and hit units, not hitting the correct items in this meta puts you on an unbelievable disadvantage. Now some people brings argument about how TF is good for beginners. Well, there were 8 more sets before the current one and none of them had legends in it. People still picked up the game and enjoyed it. This game shouldn't revolve around a comp guide from internet. It should be much more.
My take as fairly low elo (plat) is tf is just boring and makes a game boring. I want suprises, shifts in tactics decided by a random component or champion or augment. Not just pre programed plan for a game. The games I am most proud of and that I enjoyed the most are those when I have adapted to circumstances presented to me or did something unconventional and was rewarded for it.
I dont like how it feels like you know what you're playing by 2-1 usually maybe because there is a very narrow range of viable carries
The problem is that thsy nurfed everything into the groud instead of bringing everything up to a similar level
Ya, TF legend needs a rework. I like the suggestion that I saw here of moving pandoras items back to 3-2 (or even 4-2).
I've been playing multicaster reroll for about 4.5 weeks now. Hit D1 before the rework, and Master after the 13.20 and B patch. Before the rework, it was incredibly easy to T3 because I always had BIS items and could force MCs since absolutely nobody played them. Now MCs are highly contested, but you still dont have to worry about items. TF legend makes the comp (and others) so easily forceable every game. It is not healthy for the game longterm.
I don't think the problem is in TF legend itself but rather the fact that carries in 9.5 are way too reliant on very specific items. Azir really needs Nashors/Rageblade, Morde and Nilah really need RFC, Kai'Sa really needs Shojin, Kayle is 100% unplayable without Rageblade if not 2 of them etc
The difference between having and not having those specific items is way too big.
nilah 1 early in the game with double RFC easy top4
What does BiS stand for?
twisted fate becomes unbalanced because the comps aren't balanced. these dumbass reroll comps are too broken
Not just comps, just a single champion with bis items becomes unbalanced, that's the problem.
just remove pandoras items from twistef fate and put instead silverspoon or risky plays, then move its prismatic thing to 3-2 and its jover.
Personally I think most legends are a great addition to the game.
It's just the bad apples like TF which can force a playstyle no matter the augment rarity.
Imagine if Pandora's Items was a gold augment exclusive guarantee for TF, it wouldn't be as bad as it is now.
Also that would stop everyone from voting for the University / Workshop portals, 'cos I'm sick of seeing those two every single match.
Honestly as a plat 1 player I've been struggling to get consistent finishes in games for the past few days before that I was forcing Bastion Silco and Aphelios but now I either go 3rd/4th or 8th there is no in-between. And to be fair TFT has lost it's credibility for me atleast there is constantly 1 or 2 comps that rule the game and if you want to play something else well you are fucked. Also the fact that by the time I get to lvl 7. Some people have 2 star 4 costs or just an overall belter of a board is kind of a mood killer since I sit down to play and relax but for the past few weeks it's been a nightmare.
Plat 1 99lp all the way to plat4 75, totally feel ya. Uninstalled.
TF + Hard Force + OTP = healthy meta NAILS
Yeah that's the biggest issue for me, a literal monkey can look up "best TFT comp" and hardforce it every game. Horrible
man ive always played tf.. i dont want him gone or nerfed... never played anything else because everything else depends on luck way too much. like i can get the best augments and champs, but if all my items are AD and im multicaster, ill lose the fing game... what if they fix this the right way? by making pandoras the norm. not an augment. just everyone has it in every game without picking an augment. so that we dont depend too much on luck.
C patch also known as Copium they won't bother with the end of 9.5, Mort said a part of the team is working on set 12 LUL
I've been comfortable with TF because of BIS items but I just play Nilah or Morde carry. If there's no BIS on carries I think TF legend will be unusable. However I have to agree this meta is not healthy.
When I said legends were broken at the start of the set people were flamming me, and now look at this bullshit
Competitive TFT is a joke. The TF legend provides consistency for items to play the best comps on current patch. It's a no brainer when units become broken and some are only viable based on having certain items. Same thing happened when 5 cost units were way too strong which made A-sol to be spammed for the consistency of reaching lv. 9 to roll down. Legends are by design to force a playstyle so I don't see how this is even a discussion when juggling balance between units and guaranteed augments seemed foolhardy. Poro should only be used if we want to highlight the strategic aspect of TFT, which is generally absent in most cases at higher levels of play when winning is what matters at the end.
What if they just keep Legends for Normal Games so you can LeDuck your troll comps for Fun and in Ranked its good old TFT
The problem is this set item for champion is suck there is no more flex item. every unit have to use bis for being a unit. If don't have it suck. TF are coming out for many months but there aren't a problem.
I like tf being there and i like the fact that some comps are much better with BiS than with random items and have TF ready, but when the meta is TF flex....
I think they should give twisted fate the component anvil augment instead of pandoras and make pandoras a random augment. This makes it so you cant greed BIS but you can have more options for your item builds.
In my humble opinion TF makes the game have less “skill”. As in you are nearly guaranteed to hit best in slot items on every unit in your composition. I firmly believe that being able to reach top 4/5 consistently with whatever you get from RNGesus and being able to make the best out of the worst is a big part of the skill in TFT. Yet as I play to win I have TF nearly every game. With that being said please take my opinion with a pinch of salt as I am nothing more than a diamond player that occasionally hits master.
maybe im the only one think tf is make the game more about stratge then just lck many good player just loss becus the dont have good items and other have and i think that not fair for game should consider as stratge game
The balance is complete shit. That's why TF is good. It has nothing to do with legends or pandora's items. It's also why URF is good. You can pick your emblem or pick your BiS, open fort until 3-2 or 3-5, roll down, and then hit a board that can 8-streak. It's ridiculous. All the complexity is gone.
I the idea of legends was cool; the idea of realms was cool; the idea of implementing both is not cool
Legends should be removed from high ranked and pro, period. Mort said tf is for casual players who want to try out the comps they want, then they should have kept it in casual games only.
not me reading TFT as "TF-T" welcome to "Twisted Fate Tactics" :')
I don't care what anyone says TF legend should be removed. it straight up removes a fundamental aspect of the game.
The fact Nilah and Mord uses the same item is so stupid. Typical Riot balancing kekw
I love tf cuz im new and managed to climb to diamond in less than a month, by focusing on knowing which comp i can build without much care from items. Tho thats prolly problematic as i dont think ur supposed to climb to diamond that quick in just 200 games. It made me learn the gane so much faster.
it builds terrible habits, you don't know how to play the game lol
@Eric-ew5fy typical gatekeeper, u must play this game this way, or ur not playing the game comeone now. I hate games where ur pretty much there to lose cuz of rng (this happens vice versa too, of course when ur just given a free win)
Like i said, it removed an aspect of the game i hate its incredibly tilting when ur not hitting at all, getting items that the units ur getting cant utilize properly. Also mentioned im new and made learning the game alot faster. The legend is not the problem its how little comps r viable and how these comps r reliant on bis items. I played abit of set 9.0 and TF wasnt that strong as combat augments like vlad yi and veigar or urf cuz comps r not so reliant on BIS and ur giving up combat augments with TF yet i was still able to climb to plat.
@@bloodur that's the game we have now, augments already are a completely different game from TFT pre augments
@@EdisArchivethey should just remove legends from ranked at this point. Players like this guy can just climb by forcing op comps and bis, without any knowledge of tempo and items.
whole legends picking was a bad move for TFT. creates this consistency what makes games more likely to look like another. I hope they remove this feature in the next set.
I wouldnt play tft without TF legend(but im new)
As a master I dont enjoy the game at all, I only enjoy playing flex and all the games are decided on the stage 2.1 or 2.2 literally people just forcing comp there is no randomness no skill needed and this is awful for the game imo hope they remove all legends, the maps are fine tho
i only play twisted fate legend too xd
its all true. I tried before to climb aurelion sol but its so hard to promote to plat but with TF, its so easy . any comp is viable.
I am a low diamond, and I will say I enjoy legends. I also always gravitated towards reroll comps. That said, in healthy metas/metas I enjoy typically it's just me or 1 other person doing an early reroll of 1 or 2 costs. I will say right now, the problem with this meta is that there are ZERO viable 3 cost carries or units in general you want rerolled. TFT typically feels balanced when a few people are going for 1/2 cost carries, a few people are going 3 cost, most settle on 4, and a few seek 5 cost. I am calling it right now, the issue with 9.5 set is that the only viable 3 cost carries are Vel, who is basically outperformed by twisted fate and is integral to void comps so you can't realistically seek him, and Ekko whom if you're playing "might as well reroll Graves too." Without anyone seeking 3 cost rerolls, players are forced into a binary choice of whether they want to reroll early or roll late as opposed to any mid game chances to seek carries. All comps currently, except Nilah/vanqs, is essentially early reroll (Morde and Fiora are just "I went Sam/Kayle and got my 4 cost along the way") and that is because there are no good 3 cost carries to focus on. Normally, people going for early rerolls will stomp late rollers mid game but get stomped by people rerolling 3 costs.
NOW, since no one is rerolling any 3 cost, the option is either reroll early or get stomped constantly and have an enormous HP deficit from the rest of the lobby. Vanqs only exists as the only late game option because it is overtuned af and has the highest cap of anything, in a different meta it would be extremely broken. Azir is simply cope at this point and gambling on if you survive to have a mediocre cap. TF is simply "the legend you choose for low cost rerolls" alongside Lee Sin, but due to probabilities and pricing of units of appearing in shop Lee Sin matters more for 3 cost rerolling than 1 and 2 cost. The odds are higher so you don't NEED Lee Sin. Since there are no 3 cost rerolls that are viable, people are forced to choose the highest cap possible to near guarantee a win if you hit it (vanq) or early reroll, and TF is best for early rerolls. The answer to fixing this meta is to buff 3 star units (and nerf vanqs) so players start to opt for mid game rerolling to add variety. Mid game rerollers get wrecked by late game rerollers, late game rerollers get wrecked by early game rerollers, and early game rerollers get wrecked by mid game rerollers. Without mid game rerollers, the balance of the game is thrown off completely. Buff the 3 costs because as it is now they are basically trait slaves and no one cares.
*TF CASUALLY ENTERING THE ROOM*
Everyone can okay TF tho…it’s in the game lol. Dude hates TF but still played him. Look ya wanna fox pandoras items? Make it so it costs 2g to reroll items.
As with most TFT changes and gimmicks, none of this shit ultimately matters to casuals like me. Like many commenters have said, legends make the game easier/slower/more fun for us, as intended.
But there are two simple fixes here, one short term and one long term:
Short term, Poro-only for tourneys. Enough said.
Long term, make sure that champions don't rely on or improve drastically with certain items. The fact that you could tell what comps/champs people were aiming for in the clip you mentioned isn't TF's fault; it's this extreme dependence or efficacy of certain item+champ combos that makes it obvious (for high ELOs at least).
If we live in a world where no champ becomes a death wedgie because of RFC, guess what, you wouldn't necessarily know what they're going for just because they're hoarding arrows.
Yes, it's inevitable that tryhards will find the optimal items to combo with champs. But such combos should give just a minor percentage bump needed to win in such tough environments, not create OP champs or comps.
Legends are a mistake. Just like hero augments last set. They need to stop trying to take rng out of the game. If anyone played companions in MTG before they got nerfed Legends are the same thing. Guarantees are a bad idea in a game full of rng and skill expression.
Maybe an easy fix to balance TF would be to have the items randomize at the beginning of each stage as opposed to every round. Not going to lie, he's been fun af to play though 😂
People have to stop being meta oriented, playing off-meta teams the right way is so much more fun anyway, people dont know how to counter since all they see is "this meta op do this or surrender"
The people who see the problems are the top players right now, your opinions means nothing.
Play on a previous patch. Or a "championship Set". League does this sort of stuff all the time.
Remove legends from the game and make everyone use poro ffs. Let people continue to play with what they get how it was always meant to be.
when they will solve their problems related to tft being a game of chance and chance, then let people complain about tf legend. it is too much to rely only on the luck of the game, which is not guaranteed or has no protection against the bad luck of not finding champions when you are at the optimal level to find them and there are no other opponents to buy the same champion. or to be unlucky in getting what heroes you want, but all the items to be totally opposite. to need AP items and you only get AD and TANK. People have just come to realize that they prefer to have a little control over what can happen over just relying on RNG
TF is fine it's the game as a whole that sucks right now.
Remove pandora's box from tft
I write it as someone who play him
NA pros bitching just because they are bad. thats about it. They always bitch about the game.
In diamond I dont feel like the game is decided by tf legend. Everyone makes mistakes in those games anyway.
good video
As a french tf player, i do agree that playing tf does not feel at all like original tft
I see a lot of understandable sentiment here, but I still think Poro and Urf are about as effective as TF. Urf is less consistent but opens up some of the rarest and most viable decks in the meta. Poro has more consistency. Further, I think Chinese players would see TF as less of an issue.
legends have always been cancer, sick of riot, sick of mort, no offense to anyone but dont make a competitive game if ur gonna heavily cater to casuals constantly
I posted in Reddit - Disablle TF and game would be MUCH more healthy. But got only downvotes...
Oh my god for the love of god remove legends pleasee
If a player with Poro can beat 3-4 Twisted Fate players in a lobby, it's not that bad, imo.
They've also nerfed augments for Twisted Fate, so Poro is better than TF now anyways.
I'm not seeing why everyone is still mad about it.
Lmao I just had to look at your channel to realize how wrong your take is, you’re Gold. Meaning you have very little understanding of the game and the meta than any of the high elo players playing TF and forcing x comps.
set 9.5 de worst set in the history of this game, double RFC Nilah, TF legend and multicast. if you try play azir u going 8th because by the time u hit azir u only have 30 HP left. so u have to force this broken ass comps. boring!!
Twisted fate legend should be deleted, it warps the meta too much.
Remove all legends 🗿
Ppl playing tft have no brains just play draven or cait and u beat them so hard just get good guys 😂
nah
Damn im early
I love tf, please dont remove it. I returned to tft because of tf legend
You shouldn't play TFT if guaranteed items is required for you to understand the game. Chose another game, you might be too low IQ.
Make the pros play stillwater lmao
TFT went to shit when augments went core
please delete tf
you forgot a letter you meant to say tft
@@nhicomoises2801 ICANT
get him out of here