It’s not everyday that one comes across a spirited discussion on the foundations of the dysfunctional society that is Uganda . Thank you Joel and Antony for what has been a refreshing and frankly inspiring talk . I am re-examining my role in this mess and with any luck , I hope to be half as brave and driven to push against the status quo . Our children and their children deserve better .
Super-insightful chat. Loved the part where you spoke a little about Guy Debord ("accumulation of images") and assigning weight to opinions based on superficial markings. Vital stuff also about systems of checks and desisting from allowing individuals to supersede institutions. 110% Both o'you Anthony's are gems.
I loved your comments about the political desensitisation and aloofness of the youth/middle class. I think as Ugandans we need to ask ourselves, "What next? After the dictator, what next?" and I think you've meticulously dealt with that question. This has been a very nuanced conversation about Ugandan politics and it's been a pleasure listening to such intelligent thoughts!
I think conversations like these will open our eyes to the fact that, ‘No one is coming to save us!’ We have to start by reflecting on what our core values as individuals are, how these spillover to building our communities and our nation overall! Some of the ‘little things’ that we’ve neglected over time in relation to personal accountability have contributed to this problem. For instance, something seemingly trivial as the disconnect between learning about littering in school only to throw bottles out the window of moving vehicles, driving in the wrong lane while dropping children off to school in the car without realizing they won’t know or do any better when they’re adults. The rising alcoholism in a young country with a failed healthcare system is another recipe for disaster. We need to have honest hard conversations about these things because NO ONE IS COMING TO SAVE US BUT OURSELVES!
When you say it is bad to threaten and then go on to talk about " market place of ideas" the idea here was massacre against the Kabaka's family and when you were asked who would then be held responsible should harm come to any of HM's family members. The issue is you might think the Kabaka governs/enjoys his kingdom singularly but that would be far from the truth. There are other elements within the kingdom that would prefer a change in the Mengo structure and were starting to use the Kingdom's silence on the "bi-polar" kid as complicity. Given it took a couple of months for the Kingdom to even lodge a case against the kid I am surprised how you have jumped to your conclusion: "State power is a lot more tolerant than cultural institutions". In my humble opinion Mr Natif, you jumped onto that issue with that foregone conclusion and started saying "except for the threats to life" basically straw-manning what people are then telling you given this changed from offensive speech to threats.
The major desire for Buganda has been federalization not dissolution of Uganda, KLA and Mengo have way too much interests in the rest of Uganda that it would be ridiculous to wish that. Why theorize and speculate what Buganda desires yet its spelled out clearly by the Katikkiro in its 5 aspirations: Ssemasonga Ettano? Again straw-manning.
Deep discussions here. These are the conversations that should be on mainstream media
It’s not everyday that one comes across a spirited discussion on the foundations of the dysfunctional society that is Uganda . Thank you Joel and Antony for what has been a refreshing and frankly inspiring talk . I am re-examining my role in this mess and with any luck , I hope to be half as brave and driven to push against the status quo . Our children and their children deserve better .
This was a very brilliant conversation!
Super-insightful chat. Loved the part where you spoke a little about Guy Debord ("accumulation of images") and assigning weight to opinions based on superficial markings. Vital stuff also about systems of checks and desisting from allowing individuals to supersede institutions. 110% Both o'you Anthony's are gems.
This is good
'Righteous Anger'....Am with you Tony - ALL THE WAY.
I loved your comments about the political desensitisation and aloofness of the youth/middle class. I think as Ugandans we need to ask ourselves, "What next? After the dictator, what next?" and I think you've meticulously dealt with that question. This has been a very nuanced conversation about Ugandan politics and it's been a pleasure listening to such intelligent thoughts!
I think conversations like these will open our eyes to the fact that, ‘No one is coming to save us!’ We have to start by reflecting on what our core values as individuals are, how these spillover to building our communities and our nation overall! Some of the ‘little things’ that we’ve neglected over time in relation to personal accountability have contributed to this problem. For instance, something seemingly trivial as the disconnect between learning about littering in school only to throw bottles out the window of moving vehicles, driving in the wrong lane while dropping children off to school in the car without realizing they won’t know or do any better when they’re adults. The rising alcoholism in a young country with a failed healthcare system is another recipe for disaster. We need to have honest hard conversations about these things because NO ONE IS COMING TO SAVE US BUT OURSELVES!
Its a breath of fresh air, just taking off time to listen to very candid intelligent conversations. Thanks guys.
Very captivating. Enjoyed every minute of it!
I am hooked.
Very insightful conversation! Well done Tony and Joel.
Great Conversation. Awakening
I really enjoyed this 👏 been following both of you on twitter
Quite an insightful discussion
Please guys we need sources you guys be reading cool stuff we also want to r as cool stuff references would be cool or show notes
Just discovered this channel..now trapped here. ..
Let some speak and others act!
Someone said that as long as we can access food, we could carry on for the next decades and the government as is.
Some are born dangerously greedy!
20:38 really admirable?
When you say it is bad to threaten and then go on to talk about " market place of ideas" the idea here was massacre against the Kabaka's family and when you were asked who would then be held responsible should harm come to any of HM's family members.
The issue is you might think the Kabaka governs/enjoys his kingdom singularly but that would be far from the truth.
There are other elements within the kingdom that would prefer a change in the Mengo structure and were starting to use the Kingdom's silence on the "bi-polar" kid as complicity.
Given it took a couple of months for the Kingdom to even lodge a case against the kid I am surprised how you have jumped to your conclusion: "State power is a lot more tolerant than cultural institutions".
In my humble opinion Mr Natif, you jumped onto that issue with that foregone conclusion and started saying "except for the threats to life" basically straw-manning what people are then telling you given this changed from offensive speech to threats.
The major desire for Buganda has been federalization not dissolution of Uganda, KLA and Mengo have way too much interests in the rest of Uganda that it would be ridiculous to wish that.
Why theorize and speculate what Buganda desires yet its spelled out clearly by the Katikkiro in its 5 aspirations: Ssemasonga Ettano?
Again straw-manning.
It’s hard to have this conversation through a comment section. We lose a lot of nuance. Happy to jump on a 30min zoom call and break it down.