The fun thing is that it's not that exaggerated from the real Mrs. Fish. She was also apparently a notorious prankster, so I'm kinda hoping that comes up in the show.
Best scene. I absolutely love how George let Bertha be center stage for the first few moments to revel in her victory and how she waved at her housekeeper and the cook. Awesome show. Then Aunt Aida was all "I'm rich biaaatch"
I love how George and Bertha have each other's backs. I had worried that the revelation of their ex maid sneaking into George's bed (and nothing happening) was going to seriously damage their marriage...but I'm afraid what may damage it is Bertha possibly using their daughter's hand in marriage to the poor Duke in season 3. I'd hate to see sweet naive Gladys becoming one of the legendary Million Dollar Princesses which happened in that era when New American money married penniless European nobility in order to save those nobility's mansions and reputations
It’s funny because this version of her is being toned down from the real Mrs. Fish. She had an extremely sharp wit and some hysterical quotes. Also an extremely flamboyant (for the time) gay best friend who isn’t depicted in the show at all.
THE MOMENT, Bertha got everything she wanted in seconds, then looked up at her men (George and Larry) and they just looked back at her smilingly, proud of the most important woman in their life in her shining moment.....❤
Man the shot of Bertha looking out at the fully booked MET is just amazing. It's really a powerful shot showcasing the future and as Nathan Lane stated, the end of the Academy and the old ways.
But Marion isn't going to like how Mr Russell is an union busting capitalist or how Bertha pretty much sold her daughter to a duke. I think that by the end of the show Larry and Marion are going to move away from the high society just as the great depression hits America
I mean Marian on paper is a good match for Larry given her family and now that Ada has come into serious money with Luke's passing, I would be very surprised if either of the Russell parents would have a problem with them being together.
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343and after Larry told his father that it was Marian who motivated him to tell him about his interest in architecture, it was obvious George started to respect her more, so it seems they do like her. They add her name in the mix quite randomly at times, showing that everyone understands at this point that she and Larry are real friends.
Plus, she is the only of old moneyed New York whose has been sincerely welcoming and supportive of the family from the start even when told it's detrimental to her to do so socially.
The Russells are really captivating and nuanced characters. Because just by observing their morally ambiguous aspirations and methods of climbing society, We really cannot categorize them as "good or bad", "villains or heroes" but we all root for them nonetheless!!
I think pitting working class demographics against each other (by ethnic background, nationality and religion) to maintain financial supremacy (George) and using one's daughter as a bargaining chip for social gain (Bertha) is pretty f*cking horrendous
This was a delicious victory for Bertha. You could see her eyes lighting up as she savoured the flavour of triumph on her tastebuds. The perfect finale.
In the second season, i finally saw that Russells are Vanderbilts. Everything Bertha did here - the ball where Carrie Astor was uninvited the last minute, the Opera battle - is what Alva Vanderbilt did to establish herself in High Society. And it will conclude in selling(sorry) marrying off Gladys to Duke in exchange for title (while she was secretly engaged to her sweetheart). Just like they did with poor Consuelo...
I see what they're doing; they're going to play the Consuelo Vanderbilt (original Dollar Princess) story in Gladys. Gladys will fall in love with a man but be pushed by her mom to marry the Duke who accepts for a massive dowry to keep his estate afloat. Consuelo agrees under duress after her mom falls "psychosomatically" ill over her rejection of the Duke. It will be a depressing loveless marriage, but they eventually divorce later in life.
This was around the time that lots of American heiresses were marrying British gentry/nobility to save their estates from financial ruin….like in Downton Abbey.
She did: this show is based heavily on the real-life Alva Vanderbilt, who would've been 30 years old in 1883. The storyline of Consuelo Vanderbilt is a very sad one.
Everything about this episode was great.. EXCEPT FOR BERTHA’S DRESS: my GOD..after weeks of buildup and she ends up dressed like a Christmas ornament.. that gown looked cheap and garish.. where is Christian Dior when you need him…
I didn’t like the dress either. I’m Lenient on execution because the costume department, though talented, isn’t afforded the time to properly make historical garments. Personally, it’s the color and the silhouette, I understand that the blue was an attempt to make her stand out, but the dress doesn’t hit the same in the blue, as it does in its signature black and white. To add the blues did not contrast enough to give it that pop. Lastly the late 1890s-1900 silhouette. It was an attempt to make Bertha ahead of her time/ a trendsetter, to signify her rise to New York’s new queen bee, but since the dress is nearly 15 years ahead, and the silhouette is sorta similar to the natural form period, which the trend does wraps up by early 1883. It makes her look dated rather than ahead of her time. Being that the shelf bustle is beginning to rise is popularity. A bustle, like the one they gave Agnes during that dressmaker scene in season 1, would’ve made for better character development and symbolism in my opinion.
Did Turner (now Mrs. Winterton) think the Central Box would be hers? She already had prime seating on the First Tier, so why the sad face? Was she that delusional?
The absolutely unimportant nonsense women were forced to contend with because (upper class) women couldn’t have careers. The mindless intrigues that meant so little. It’s maddening.
and today looking at all those people and what they felt was important seems so ridiculous to us today. Those hats were so stupid looking, those gowns dresses or whatever they were called were also ridiculous to wear all the time. all of it is nonsense. But, I love this show and cant wait until the next season
When Carrie Coon took over Amanda Peet's role, costume designer Kasia Maimone mentioned that she revamped the entire wardrobe for the character. This transformation was influenced by machinery, as well as Carrie's walking style, prompting Maimone to give her gowns a more 'metallic' look
Modernly speaking, yes, but during a time where your social standing dictated your quality of living & and his strict social etiquette was , especially amongst the middle to upper classes. One understands the significance of it, regardless of how trivial one may believe it is. Many of these social ways a very much prevalent today amongst elite families, for networking, business, marriage, etc.
@@soheesweetheart So true. NYC socialites still backstab and scheme to get on the best charity boards, to wrangle a seat for their progeny in $40K preschools to distinguish themselves from the plebes. It’s an old game but no less stupid.
Mrs Fish has no allegiance to any side, she's only interested in maximum drama and gossip
And we love her for it. People like that are just good for fun entertainment/social outings, not for deep friendships.
The fun thing is that it's not that exaggerated from the real Mrs. Fish. She was also apparently a notorious prankster, so I'm kinda hoping that comes up in the show.
THATS WHY I really like her!
“Just playing with matches, as you do”
I think we all are a bit of Mrs fish 😂😂😂
Best scene. I absolutely love how George let Bertha be center stage for the first few moments to revel in her victory and how she waved at her housekeeper and the cook. Awesome show.
Then Aunt Aida was all "I'm rich biaaatch"
Yes, that wave to the two servants showed some heart for sure!
He is literally the BEST husband. He will support her and her dreams no matter what and go to bat for her if anyone disrespects her.
you guys realize this was a real thing. The Academy vs the Met.
@@aishaalamoudi599 Yes! That made it extra cool. And the Bridge opening.
I love how George and Bertha have each other's backs. I had worried that the revelation of their ex maid sneaking into George's bed (and nothing happening) was going to seriously damage their marriage...but I'm afraid what may damage it is Bertha possibly using their daughter's hand in marriage to the poor Duke in season 3. I'd hate to see sweet naive Gladys becoming one of the legendary Million Dollar Princesses which happened in that era when New American money married penniless European nobility in order to save those nobility's mansions and reputations
I love how honest Mrs. Fish is, she definitely doesnt beat around the bush
It’s funny because this version of her is being toned down from the real Mrs. Fish. She had an extremely sharp wit and some hysterical quotes. Also an extremely flamboyant (for the time) gay best friend who isn’t depicted in the show at all.
@@hop208 Yep, that would be Henry Symes Lehr, who married a woman in order to conceal his sexuality.
@@hop208 gay as in happy or gay as in...gay?
@@enkryptron gay as in gay 🏳🌈.
@@hop208 woof
I was grinning the whole time while watching this finale.
Mee too although im more old money😅
Their entire relationship is a whole vibe.
yes me too!!! and screaming yaaassss!
Me too. I absolutely loved it!
THE MOMENT, Bertha got everything she wanted in seconds, then looked up at her men (George and Larry) and they just looked back at her smilingly, proud of the most important woman in their life in her shining moment.....❤
Man the shot of Bertha looking out at the fully booked MET is just amazing.
It's really a powerful shot showcasing the future and as Nathan Lane stated, the end of the Academy and the old ways.
And the casket finally closing on Mrs. Astor's foolish and snobbish ways.
Marion fits right in with the Russell family and I was so happy with the finale. Best episode of the season
But Marion isn't going to like how Mr Russell is an union busting capitalist or how Bertha pretty much sold her daughter to a duke. I think that by the end of the show Larry and Marion are going to move away from the high society just as the great depression hits America
Marian has granted pre-approval from the Russell family. She is young, beautiful and came from old money. That is more than qualify for Larry.
I mean Marian on paper is a good match for Larry given her family and now that Ada has come into serious money with Luke's passing, I would be very surprised if either of the Russell parents would have a problem with them being together.
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343and after Larry told his father that it was Marian who motivated him to tell him about his interest in architecture, it was obvious George started to respect her more, so it seems they do like her. They add her name in the mix quite randomly at times, showing that everyone understands at this point that she and Larry are real friends.
Plus, she is the only of old moneyed New York whose has been sincerely welcoming and supportive of the family from the start even when told it's detrimental to her to do so socially.
Gladys giving off major Consuelo Vanderbilt vibes
Lets just hope it goes better for her than it did Consuelo.
@@aguyhere7945 I have a feeling it won't, and that it will follow the real-life storyline.
@@MauriceRivers415 it makes for a very interesting storyline indeed
The Russells are really captivating and nuanced characters. Because just by observing their morally ambiguous aspirations and methods of climbing society, We really cannot categorize them as "good or bad", "villains or heroes" but we all root for them nonetheless!!
I think pitting working class demographics against each other (by ethnic background, nationality and religion) to maintain financial supremacy (George) and using one's daughter as a bargaining chip for social gain (Bertha) is pretty f*cking horrendous
WHAT PLEASURE IT GIVES ME........go on Bertha!!!
This was a delicious victory for Bertha. You could see her eyes lighting up as she savoured the flavour of triumph on her tastebuds. The perfect finale.
In the second season, i finally saw that Russells are Vanderbilts. Everything Bertha did here - the ball where Carrie Astor was uninvited the last minute, the Opera battle - is what Alva Vanderbilt did to establish herself in High Society. And it will conclude in selling(sorry) marrying off Gladys to Duke in exchange for title (while she was secretly engaged to her sweetheart). Just like they did with poor Consuelo...
I see what they're doing; they're going to play the Consuelo Vanderbilt (original Dollar Princess) story in Gladys. Gladys will fall in love with a man but be pushed by her mom to marry the Duke who accepts for a massive dowry to keep his estate afloat. Consuelo agrees under duress after her mom falls "psychosomatically" ill over her rejection of the Duke.
It will be a depressing loveless marriage, but they eventually divorce later in life.
Yeah, with that Billy Carlton guy
This was around the time that lots of American heiresses were marrying British gentry/nobility to save their estates from financial ruin….like in Downton Abbey.
Bertha is savage af. Love every second of her. Can't wait for season 3!
There's something both fantastic and crude about Bertha.
I mean, did Alva really pawned off her daughter like that? That's just sad.
She did: this show is based heavily on the real-life Alva Vanderbilt, who would've been 30 years old in 1883. The storyline of Consuelo Vanderbilt is a very sad one.
Kelli O'Hara (Mrs. Fane) actually sings at the Met. I'm sure she loved filming this scene.
Im a guy and this show is amazing lol
What does you being a guy have to do with enjoying a perfectly good show?
Because too be fair this is mostly watched by women
@@Oooyessbro you’re right
Magnificent video of the day
I was screaming you go mrs Russel❤ she is now my spirit animal ❤❤❤
I want to see Jack's story next season
Fantastična serija !!! Jedva čekam 3 sezonu❤
The music is so good
Alright fine I’ll rewatch the entire show for the 700th time lol
Everything about this episode was great.. EXCEPT FOR BERTHA’S DRESS: my GOD..after weeks of buildup and she ends up dressed like a Christmas ornament.. that gown looked cheap and garish.. where is Christian Dior when you need him…
he wasn't born yet so
the color made her stand out when the Met was mostly red.
Agreed: it was abhorrent. I think the aim of the shot was to make her stand out amongst the rest of the attendees.
@@P3891 I'm dead! LOL. You're right, though: this happened in 1883, and Dior wasn't born until 1905.
I didn’t like the dress either. I’m Lenient on execution because the costume department, though talented, isn’t afforded the time to properly make historical garments.
Personally, it’s the color and the silhouette, I understand that the blue was an attempt to make her stand out, but the dress doesn’t hit the same in the blue, as it does in its signature black and white. To add the blues did not contrast enough to give it that pop.
Lastly the late 1890s-1900 silhouette. It was an attempt to make Bertha ahead of her time/ a trendsetter, to signify her rise to New York’s new queen bee, but since the dress is nearly 15 years ahead, and the silhouette is sorta similar to the natural form period, which the trend does wraps up by early 1883. It makes her look dated rather than ahead of her time. Being that the shelf bustle is beginning to rise is popularity. A bustle, like the one they gave Agnes during that dressmaker scene in season 1, would’ve made for better character development and symbolism in my opinion.
Wonder if the husband hedged his bets by standing back to check the reception, before stepping up.
It’s “coupe da grace” caption person.
Did Turner (now Mrs. Winterton) think the Central Box would be hers? She already had prime seating on the First Tier, so why the sad face? Was she that delusional?
Mrs.Fish on the coast.. her house could accodate that? Wonderful location but dinning room?
Their houses are so small...
Love them both, i hope I'll have a wife like Bertha...🤞
The absolutely unimportant nonsense women were forced to contend with because (upper class) women couldn’t have careers. The mindless intrigues that meant so little. It’s maddening.
and today looking at all those people and what they felt was important seems so ridiculous to us today. Those hats were so stupid looking, those gowns dresses or whatever they were called were also ridiculous to wear all the time.
all of it is nonsense. But, I love this show and cant wait until the next season
Bertha's walk down the stairs is too modern. Too much hip swaying!
When Carrie Coon took over Amanda Peet's role, costume designer Kasia Maimone mentioned that she revamped the entire wardrobe for the character. This transformation was influenced by machinery, as well as Carrie's walking style, prompting Maimone to give her gowns a more 'metallic' look
Nah, women's anatomy has been that way since the whole unfortunate apple incident.
I find it in character. Her husband who adores her is smiling up at her, she's feeling victorious so she's walking with a bit more pep in her step.
Carrie Coon says Bertha walks like this to signify she wasn't brought up in the throngs of the wealthy society women. This was done on purpose.
I would say it is much worse with Turner, who is always sauntering around.
So pathetic that this was considered important.
True. It was all rich people problems but the elite's obsession with 'good' lineage during that era is really fascinating
It really is pathetic but it still goes on today. With the Oscars and Grammys.
Modernly speaking, yes, but during a time where your social standing dictated your quality of living & and his strict social etiquette was , especially amongst the middle to upper classes. One understands the significance of it, regardless of how trivial one may believe it is. Many of these social ways a very much prevalent today amongst elite families, for networking, business, marriage, etc.
@@soheesweetheart So true. NYC socialites still backstab and scheme to get on the best charity boards, to wrangle a seat for their progeny in $40K preschools to distinguish themselves from the plebes. It’s an old game but no less stupid.
bruh dont watch it then