Stereo vs Binaural comparison
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- Опубліковано 4 кві 2018
- This is a test I made between the binaural microphone 3Dio FS Pro II connected to a Sound Devices 702T and the internal stereo microphone of the Sony PCM-D100.
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Wow! Overall I like the binaural for the immersive experience, however, in my opinion, the rain is too crispy and almost sound like a frying pan. In that case, I prefer stereo :)
Woah! I can almost feel the thunder above me with the 3Dio
Binaural is more realistic.
Thanks
I would like to see something like this but with 3 comparisons. This video + 3rd option: stereo recorded with one mic on far left and another far right of image. Binaural sounds better but for me that sounds like an illusion because the Sony mics are closer to eachother.
I love hearing these recordings itself. It's so calming.
Stereo sounds flat with less dynamics and openness. Great video!
binaural sounds clearer and more realistic but stereo isn’t bad either
Approuved! The Stereo mic is not bad at all. I use it all the time for Stereo atmospheres recordings
ditto, just different flavor
Excellent le 3Dio, même par UA-cam la qualité de son est splendide. Je ferme les yeux, le casque aux oreilles et j'suis instantanément immergé avec l'orage. Merci pour la video ça permet d'entendre que le PCM-100 est pas mal.
Oui la qualité du 3Dio est excellente et en effet, malgré la compression de UA-cam le rendu reste très bon. Le PCM-D100, bien qu'il paraisse un peu plat à côté du 3Dio est un excellent microphone/enregistreur que j'utilise pour beaucoup d'ambiances stéréo
Interesting how everyone else says the opposite: I find the Sony to handle dyncamics better (when the rain starts to fall harder, for example, towards the end of the video). It might be the non-pro headphones I'm using right now though. The overall quality of the Sony to me is very good, a great spatial image despite being stereo and not binaural.
Thanks👍👍
Ay, good demo. It would be better if more folks understood the difference.
Thanks for taking the time and posting. :-)
Surely I still cant understand the difference between stereo and binaural evenif i m involved with sounds more than 30 years
For example if i used two microphones in about 50-100 cm distance as L+R channels it stops be called binaural or it is just stereo??
I tried listening this with a hi-fi stereo system, I don't have any headphones, sorry.
Stereo sounds much more dynamics, sound fills the room, it's like real rain inside the room.
Binaural sounds flat, it's like two speakers sound different from each other, sound of rain not fill the room, I can tell the position of the speakers easily.
For a stereo system using ancient big speakers, stereo recording is still the best. Binaural only best with headphones, I think.
Well. That’s the point. Binaural is a technology made to be listened to with headphones only. Speakers are not able to create the immersive feeling of the binaural that’s why it could sound flat. Share a new comment when you’ll have the opportunity to listen to the video with headphones. You’ll hear thunder coming from the rest of your head 😉
@@JulienMatthey I see. I'm curious about binaural, so I search on google and found your video. I see in the comment section that binaural is the best, but it's different from what I listened to, maybe because I am using big old speakers. I'll try to experience binaural using headphones if I have a chance. Thank you.
There are these mics called surround mics that produce 5.1 surround sound. They sound pretty good as well.
Yeah, the ambisonic mics. Some are better than others visibly. But I've never tried them
@@JulienMatthey - If you ever get the chance, you can probably do a comparison video of all 3 types of mics. I'm sure it'd make good content.
@@PeaceNinja007 Good idea!
stereo is relaxing. Binaural is idk makes us more alert
i work more on the music side of audio and dont have much experience working with actual mics, but binaural audio has always fascinated me, but recently ive been having a bit of a personal dilemma. ive been using dobly DTS sound unbound on windows 10 for gaming with my beyerdynamic dt 770 pro 80 ohm headphones that are going through a decent DAW and getting properly amplified to take advantage of the huge frequency range these headphones are known for, and thankfully sound unbound has a billion specific headphone brand profiles and one of is that exact one.
in 3d gaming, it provides 3d audio thats so freakishly precise it sounds better than any surround sound setup ive been able to game on, which was at one point a high end 7.1 setup, and in terms of spatial accuracy and position precision, this 20 dollar program made these now relatively cheap headphones were suddenly providing a hologram of audio around my brain lmao.
but the reason im even bothering to bring this up and sorry im so long winded, is that i just now started listening to binaural recordings and i havnt found any steller ones that are great examples that are effective in testing audio spatial precision in my setup, and so far all the ones ive heard.... i cant decide if this actually helps or hurts the overall 3d affect of these types of recordings. i dont know if perhaps im choosing bad recordings to try and test this. thank you so much if you bothered to read this far, and id appreciate any input from anyone whos a professional with recording equipment and this technique.
Same for me
Interesting comparison
3Dio FS Pro II sound quite incredible....the sony does well though. Have you seen or heard of inexpensive biaural mics that don't need a dummy head?
@@JeremyJames_studio I have recently bought a pair of in-ear binaural microphones called the Sound Professionals MS-TFB-2 and they sound incredible for $160 dollar mics. Sound Professionals also sells a lower-end model called the SP-TFB-2 that goes around $109 with the premium cable and high sensitivity and $89 for the most basic version, which also sound really good. Roland also sells the CS-10EM binaural mics for less than $100 on Amazon that sound rather good as well; the benefit with the Rolands is that you can monitor the audio while you record, acting as a earbuds/microphones combo, though they don't sound as good as the Sound Professionals in my opinion.
Merci pour cette vidéo, c'est de loin la meilleure que j'ai trouvé sur youtube ! Sauf erreur de ma part tu peux fixer un micro binaural sur le sony D100? Tu aurais un conseil concernant un bon micro pour l'adapter dessus? Merci encore !
Zap2Cynops oui bien sûr. Il est possible de brancher un micro via un câble minijack (mais pas XLR) au Sony D100. J’ai moi-même déjà effectué des enregistrements binauraux avec comme enregistreur le Sony sur lequel j’ai branché le micro 3Dio utilisé dans cette vidéo. Ce dernier a en effet une sortie XLR gauche et droite ainsi qu’une sortie minijack stéréo
@@JulienMatthey Merci pour cette réponse ! il y a un modèle en dessous plus abordable en financièrement ?
@@zap2cynops530 Il existe le nouveau Zoom H3-Vr qui permet également de faire de l'Ambisonic (surround), mais pour du binaural je le trouve moins précis. Il a toutefois l'avantage d'être bcp moins cher, très compact et financièrement très intéressant
thx for this :) the 3Dio mic sounds waay too sharp in the highs I think. Loving the clear and transparent sound of the D100
Interesting comparison. I'd go with the Sony any day. You can still process it later to adjust the stereo field if needed, and the starting point would be so much nicer sounding. And that's even before considering how the Sony is really cheap compared to the 3Dio.
Hakon Soreide i love both of them. They’re just not for the same use. Sony PCM-D100 is a great recorder but has its limits, especially with low sound effects and when it’s windy. I’ve just bought the Usi LOM stereo microphone and I’m amazed by its quality
@@JulienMatthey Ah, so the D100 is very sensitive to wind, even with a good-quality dead cat like the Rycote? I guess the 3Dio ones will sound a bit like what you hear through your own ears when it's windy?
Also, does the 3Dio actually pick up sounds that are too soft for the D100?
Which Uši did you get? The Pro or Mikro? They look (and sound) quite interesting.
I've got a Zoom H4n, which I've got reasonably good mileage out of, but every now and again I do look at other options, especially since I have been thinking of doing more recording of sounds and noises to use in ambient music and soundscapes. A one-in-all solution like D100 is rather appealing, but of course with the H4n, I do have the option of plugging in XLR mics needing phantom power.
H4n drains batteries like crazy, though...
@@hakonsoreide Yeah even with the Rycote deadcat it's way not enough. To be honest I stopped using it when there's too much wind and prefer to use another microphone in a blimp (with deadcat) connected to my Sound Devices 702T recorder.
3Dio sounds very close to what you would hear through your own ears yes.
Well... it depends of the recorder you have. If you have a recorder with bad preamps it will be worse than the D100, but if they're good (like in the latest 8 series from Sound Devices) it would be better.
I use the Pro. :)
D100 is better than the Zoom H4n for ambiances recordings. I used it all the time. But as I've just bought the Usi Pro, I'm going to use it certainly less than before. Maybe I should do a comparison between D100 and Usi Pro on the H4n (I have one as well)
@Julien Matthey Thanks for another good answer. I’d certainly be interested in a D100 vs Uši Pro connected to H4n comparison. It will be a good indication for anyone whether a budget recorder with good reasonably-priced mics can outperform a pricier all-in-one solution like the D100.
Both because I hope to see that video one day, but also on principle, I am subscribing to your channel now; I have decided that whenever I see any video I like from a channel with fewer than 1000 subscribers, I will always subscribe, like and comment. After the change in monetisation, anyone with fewer than 1000 subscribers will need a bit of help before getting their fair share of the money that UA-cam inevitably still makes from the combined millions of work hours that have gone into creating interesting, though often niche, content deserving of a wider viewership.
@@JulienMatthey I just looked up Sound Devices, and their new MixPre II series looks amazing for field recording. An Uši omni pair combined with a MixPre 3 mkII sounds like a great combination for delicate sound recording.
Before I buy anything I Will wait until there are Some reviews and tests of the new Sony PCM D10 and PCM A10
What did you find out?
do btooth ear pods work? cuz even the barber shop thing didnt sound like it was described...just sounded like it had a big reverb but compact...even this one just seemed a lil clearer...am i missing something?
Pour moi, et c'est totalement subjectif, je préfère la qualité sonore du PCM D100 par contre je préfère l'espace du 3Dio.
Comme d'hab je sens un trou dans le centre avec le binaural, il m'a semblé que le son du tonnerre phase légèrement.
Un mix des 2 serait donc parfait! Chacun ont leurs avantages c'est vrai
Can you record to the d100 using somthing like Ambeo frommSenheiser or you need multichannel / track recorder as well.
Mike _72 you can record binaural sounds through a mic like the 3Dio Free Space Pro II (3diosound.com/products/free-space-pro-binaural-microphone) using a male jack 3,5mm to make jack 3,5mm cable connected to the jack stereo input connector of the D100. But you can’t connect a Sennheiser Ambeo mic because it needs 4 XLR connectors. D100 has no XLR connectors. You would need another multitrack recorder for that like the Zoom F4-F6 or F8 or H5, H6 or something even better like a Sound Devices minimum 4 channels recorder
Julien Matthey Thank you Julien. I guess I’ll stay in stereo area for a bit longer then :-)
Bonjour Julien.
Je viens de me procurer un Sony PCM-D100. Est-ce normal que l'enregistreur souffle un peut. Je veux dire par là que j'entend le souffle de l'enregistreur si j'augmente le volume. Je dirais que l'on commence à entendre le noise de l'enregistreur à 4 sur le volume quand j'ai un casque branché sur le Sony. En augmentant on l'entend bien. Bon je pense que c'est normal mais une tendance maniaque m'arrive parfois haha.
Merci pour la future réponse.
Fabien
F K bonjour Fabien,
Oui c’est normal. Quasiment tous les preamplis d’enregistreurs soufflent plus ou moins. Avec des niveaux assez élevés ou des ambiances sonores bien remplies (comme ici sur cette vidéo) cela ne se remarque pas mais sur des enregistrements où le niveau sonore est très faible cela est beaucoup plus évident. Après il y a aussi l’acoustique du lieu et le bruit ambiant qui jouent leur rôle. Si le niveau de la source est faible tu devras augmenter le niveau d’enregistrement (faisant de toute façon apparaître plus de souffle) et si le bruit ambiant derrière est assez élevé cela pourra se mélanger et augmenter la notion de souffle. Après il peut arriver sur certains enregistreur que le souffle soit aussi celui du préamplificateur du casque (souvent moins bon que celui des micros) mais qui ne sera pas forcément retranscrit sur l’enregistrement. Qu’essaies-tu d’enregistrer au fait? Quoiqu’il en soit dans certains cas il est possible de le réduire voire de l’ôter complètement en post-production par la suite.
@@JulienMatthey Déjà merci ta réponse. Encore car il y a quelques temps je t'avais envoyé un mail et tu m'avais apporté conseil par apport au matériel, ça date un peut.
Pour l'instant je l'utilise essentiellement pour enregistrer mon synthé en sortie direct et mon ampli de guitare quand je me laisse aller, cela me sert à réutiliser les sons pour des compos. Le souffle est pas trop gênant mais je pense utiliser un noise superposor si cela me gêne pendant certains passages ou j'ai baissé le volume du synthés je crois. Je suivrais tes conseils la prochaines fois car j'avais juste géré le volume de mon synthé mais pas par apport au souffle (le synthé est assez récent et ne souffle cazi pas) sans me préoccuper du Sony . Pour l'instant c'est surtout pour ça mais j'ai testé samedi d'enregistrer des sons de "shaker" et un peut ma voix en passant par ma carte son (Antelope audio) tout en comparant avec le SM57 sur les mêmes enregistrements. Pour le shaker et les voix j'ai préféré le SM57 mais j'ai remarqué que pour d'autres sons (comme le scratch pour enrouler mes câbles) cela sonnait plus pétillant et précis avec le Sony. Bref j'entendais un bon souffle sur l'enregistrement du Sony. Sur le SM57 beaucoup moins pour le même volume et je sais que c'est normal comme il y a pas de préamp sur le 57. Après cela j'ai testé d'enregistrer ma voix seulement en utilisant le Sony puis j'ai réécoutés l'enregistrement avec mon casque seul branché dessus. Et j'entendais clairement le souffle quand le volume était au dessus de 4.
Je compte m'enregistrer avec des maracas dans la nature et si j'ai moins de souffle c'est cool.
Je précise que mon casque est un Audiotechnica ATH-50x et je le branche directement sans préamp soit à l'enregistreur ou à la carte son.
Je pense aussi que je dois apprendre à gérer le niveau de chaque matériel, instrument etc pour avoir le son recherché. Ou avoir moins de souffle.
how much effect does the pre-amp of Sound devices 702t has on the quality of the recording?
Well, I think the effect of the good preamps plus the good quality of the 3Dio microphone is huge compared to a low budget microphone connected to low budget preamps. But both recorder (Sound Devices 702T & Sony PCM-D100) have very good preamps in that case
@@JulienMatthey Cool Thanks for the info!
For me the Sound Devices 702T (binaural) sounds a bit weird and unnatural. Like a fun gimmick. I'm wondering if it's caused by phase issues.
Have you listened it with headphones?
@@JulienMatthey Tried that too. While the binaural is much more spacious and with the ability to hear the direction of sound coming from, there's also something bothering about it. Hard to describe but perhaps it's because some sounds are too prominent compared to how you would hear this in real life. I don't find it natural.
@@Grizzlyorso ok. I'm not here to judge which one is the best. These are 2 different microphones and each have their own qualities. But just to let you know, binaural has to be listened to with headphones it is not a question of trying or not with headphones. Binaural could'nt be perfectly played on speakers. ;)
0:48 vs 1:17
Fuck it, the zoom h6 is much cheaper but the sony pcm d100 is *so much better*
Ordering it soon
Sony has more detail in whole range.
Cool... so a device designed to be portable and record stereo is not as good as a pair of devices that are designed to not be potrable and record binaural. Good to know that I will get better quality if I get a non-portable. Now, to find a comparison of non-portable options.
Those devices are not made for the same use. Most of the time portable devices could be great for many cases but if you want impressive preamps and microphone, it's most of the time a non-portable solution you have to choose. But as you can see, I had to walk with those 2 devices in the woods. That means even for the "non-portable" solution, it still stays portable ;) It's just bigger
@Esperologist
Sennheiser Ambeo Smart Headset
Scenessound Lifelike 3D Recorder
3DIO Free Space
Roland CS10 EM
Andrea Communications SB 205W
Sound Professionals Master Series
Shall I go on?
Cristian-Daniel Călinescu I don’t know and haven’t tested many of the products you mentioned. So I can’t really say. The best thing is always to test before to buy or to watch lots of comparison like this video.
wearing stereo headphones are not natural for this comparison, but for judging the different equipment. Ears Out the left ear would hear the sounds from the right and right ear, sound from the left. Ops, My my two results are not typed the same. That's not stereo. See your point, thou, and that last word seems that I should continue commenting.
Le binaural ne reste que du stéréo en fin de compte
Si par stéréo tu entends son bicanal oui. Mais la stéréo typique est en 2D alors que le binaural en 3D. C’est surtout là la différence. À écouter au casque évidemment
Stereo sounds better
Beautiful sounds but you're comparing one product that's more than double the price of the other.
My purpose was to compare two different technologies without price consideration. But you're right, the 3Dio (that have to be connected to a recorder) is much more pricy.