For Honor - Why Shinobi is a huge mess of a character

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  • Опубліковано 1 лип 2019
  • Long video, tons of work, lots of stupid stuff.
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  • @MarcoYolo
    @MarcoYolo 5 років тому +1749

    “You can’t just backflip away from all your problems!”
    *That’s where you’re wrong kiddo*

    • @caveman_alex9946
      @caveman_alex9946 5 років тому +9

      wish it was that easy. lol i get hit by light attacks that track me like 6 feet. feels bad man

    • @honestlyhuman6404
      @honestlyhuman6404 5 років тому +12

      Except that a decent amount of people can still attack you in a backflip

    • @nathanflinchum1153
      @nathanflinchum1153 5 років тому +3

      Alex Depetris 60 feet*

    • @caveman_alex9946
      @caveman_alex9946 5 років тому +2

      @@nathanflinchum1153 bit of an exaggeration

    • @jtsledge1524
      @jtsledge1524 5 років тому

      😂😂😂😂❤💀

  • @lordticklepigs6152
    @lordticklepigs6152 5 років тому +2195

    If this is a message to shinobis, they're 20 metres away. They cant hear you

    • @brahstergm8390
      @brahstergm8390 5 років тому +3

      Lord Tickle Pigs lmaooo 😆

    • @sandguyman
      @sandguyman 5 років тому +3

      Oof

    • @crydegolem4135
      @crydegolem4135 5 років тому +29

      You say that, but wait till they double dash to your butt cheeks.

    • @nooo450
      @nooo450 5 років тому

      What for a Montur does hast The yellow shinobi?

    • @DiZphunx
      @DiZphunx 5 років тому +12

      They have their air pods on

  • @friedsand2776
    @friedsand2776 5 років тому +660

    *deflects on accident during revenge instantly killing the enemy* Heh nothin personnel Kidd, my skill is infinite and you stood no chance

  • @personalejcr
    @personalejcr 5 років тому +439

    Ubisoft: "we nerfed shinobi's slide tackle, now you can react to it"
    Me: *sees orange*
    *Dodges*
    *Gets hit with tackle*
    *Thonk*

    • @The_Custos
      @The_Custos 5 років тому +10

      It's a bit like a knight move in chess.

    • @antisimptrooper4635
      @antisimptrooper4635 5 років тому +2

      Yeah, shit tracks u

    • @TheEpicPancake
      @TheEpicPancake 5 років тому +8

      We "fixed" it. Just like we "fixed" hitboxes back in health.

    • @TheEpicPancake
      @TheEpicPancake 5 років тому +1

      @Sapien Ninja He's talking about the janky as fuck dodge timing since you can't dodge immediately upon seeing orange or else you'll still get hit

    • @shuggie83wuggie97
      @shuggie83wuggie97 5 років тому +1

      I’m sorry but I can’t stop laughing at *thonk*

  • @whiterose74
    @whiterose74 5 років тому +600

    4:26 I remember when you could do the entire sickle rain on a teammate it was genuinely hilarious.
    And when you could ledge yourself with the slide tackle (idk if you can still do that)

    • @martintemplar3620
      @martintemplar3620 5 років тому +61

      Yes you can still ledge yourself, only it has to be on a ledge you could jump from and survive, even at critical health

    • @KazamiAzai
      @KazamiAzai 5 років тому +58

      My friend ledged himself as a shinobi once, I called him shitnobi ever since

    • @musaabughoush8933
      @musaabughoush8933 5 років тому

      U can still with the kick after havey if ur opponent falls form the ranged havey and u follow up with a delayed kick and nice that ur kick doesn't connect u fall

    • @cwheels01
      @cwheels01 5 років тому +2

      Last I checked, Shaman can still ledge herself if she performs predator's mercy on an opponent as they are being ledged.

    • @theragebringer4424
      @theragebringer4424 5 років тому

      @@KazamiAzai it' s shitnoobi

  • @centurionyt4472
    @centurionyt4472 5 років тому +340

    *shinobi starts running away*
    Shaman: I’m about to end this mans whole career

    • @cwheels01
      @cwheels01 5 років тому +27

      As a current Shaman main (still fairly new to her at rep 2 and change), 1v1s with Shinobi are generally child's play. Ranged attack or guardbreak? Dodge and punish with wild cat's rage or predator's hunger. Kick? Dodge and punish with heavy. Heavy, soft feint into stab for bleed, guardbreak, throw, and partake of their flesh.
      As mentioned in the videos, in Dominion, Breach, or Brawls, it's a totally different story.

    • @adityamanam5716
      @adityamanam5716 5 років тому +5

      @@cwheels01 In Domination, it's basically Shaman's job to keep the shinboi in check. If they're good, you'll need two people to effectively kill him though.

    • @ShadowTheSeeker
      @ShadowTheSeeker 5 років тому +10

      *shinobi starts walking away*
      Shaman: *wiffs attack*

    • @POSEYPLUS
      @POSEYPLUS 5 років тому +1

      @@cwheels01 Yeah as a shinobi main, the lights, kicks, and zones are key for them. But there is also the smokeless dash that throws people off

    • @christianrivera1708
      @christianrivera1708 5 років тому

      @@cwheels01 did you not watch the video? Any decent shinobi will deflect those dodge heavies. Shamans are all predictable in that they love to spam dodge heavies, and this video shows that you can deflect literally while in the animation of the kick. And since they have armor even if you do get a heavy on the shinobi, that's a free GB+sickle rain.

  • @MrGorillaGuy
    @MrGorillaGuy 5 років тому +911

    It is so sad that the community in this game is so toxic that when you get a well made argument for why shinobi is broken everyone just jumps down frezzes throat, its sad.

    • @LaserThemTheGirl
      @LaserThemTheGirl 5 років тому +42

      That, and the posts on the main subreddit, legit makes me lose hope.

    • @LaserThemTheGirl
      @LaserThemTheGirl 5 років тому +101

      @@Snugglestheber Did you watch the video? He just listed in the clearest way possible almost everything that is inconsistent or broken about Shinobi (yes, almost, there is more).

    • @Snugglestheber
      @Snugglestheber 5 років тому +8

      @@LaserThemTheGirl that's my exact point that's not an argument that's complaining

    • @LaserThemTheGirl
      @LaserThemTheGirl 5 років тому +55

      @@Snugglestheber What the hell are you talking about? The things he showed in the video are clearly not working how they should, so yes, they're broken. You mentioned that he takes skill, wich, ok sure, but that doesn't make the character less broken.
      Also what the hell do you mean by "people who ruin this game"?

    • @LaserThemTheGirl
      @LaserThemTheGirl 5 років тому +36

      @@Snugglestheber What?

  • @propastypete1958
    @propastypete1958 5 років тому +803

    Freeze- "Here's a well presented argument as to a character's poor design"
    Community- "lol u think shin obi OP?! ecksdee, he's so easy to counter lol, and have you seen R A I D ER"

    • @danielk.5864
      @danielk.5864 5 років тому +21

      True. Its really getting on my nerves. Yees, Raider is better than before, we got it. That why they reworked him, so he isnt trash anymore. Now he gets the same treatment like other stronger Charackters like shugi(where we've seen what you can do against in last vid) and gets hated and complained about. I really hate this. Its like: "Wääh, I play FH for 2 years now. I always perfected Raider, now i have to think when i go against him. Wäääh dont wanna think, wähhh"

    • @LimitlessTJ
      @LimitlessTJ 5 років тому +23

      Lol but you're right though it's funny but true have you seen Raider? People are playing him just for easy wins

    • @propastypete1958
      @propastypete1958 5 років тому +33

      @@LimitlessTJ I get raider is very strong at the moment, but my point is that it's textbook whataboutism. The focus of the conversation is about shinobi, but people just feel they need to needlessly complain about other issues.

    • @danielk.5864
      @danielk.5864 5 років тому +1

      @@LimitlessTJ oh yeah, youre right. Same when they pick up shaolin,jj,shaman,goki,hito,vortiger,orochi...and the list goes on. Better we dont play anything exept they low tier. That would help weehh

    • @LimitlessTJ
      @LimitlessTJ 5 років тому +8

      @@propastypete1958 I completely get what you mean but I think the point is before they do anything else or change any other character they need to get Raider to a better place because he's the most imminent issue. I don't see anyone using shinobi for easy wins, damn sure see a whole lot of Raiders nowadays though. For God's sake freeze put out a video last week showing his stunning tap is even faster now. I play on console so it's a horrible experience.

  • @martintemplar3620
    @martintemplar3620 5 років тому +435

    I have always seen shinobi as the mofo who brings a gun to a knife fight, and I hate it

    • @zakariaelhimer1325
      @zakariaelhimer1325 5 років тому +1

      Same

    • @dragostoma9033
      @dragostoma9033 5 років тому +1

      It would have been more interesting a shinobi with 2 tanto's or nekokagi.

    • @alessandrobianco4768
      @alessandrobianco4768 5 років тому +2

      I disagree. As master ken says "sometimes don't always bring a gun to a knife fight"

    • @zakariaelhimer1325
      @zakariaelhimer1325 5 років тому

      Lol

    • @214bands8
      @214bands8 5 років тому +9

      People like to shit on him without realizing how hard it is to play him.

  • @navis9802
    @navis9802 5 років тому +242

    12:44
    Next up in the warriors den
    We noticed that shinobis and conqs relock speed is slower so we’re buffing that next week and never saying anything about the character again

    • @rickberny1424
      @rickberny1424 5 років тому +36

      Nah it should probably go like this
      We noticed that shinobi and conq have slower than normal relock speed so we buffed it on raider and why not now the stunning tap is 200ms, you happy now?

    • @danielk.5864
      @danielk.5864 5 років тому +1

      @@rickberny1424 wow, that is sure something ypu should bring up in a vid about Shinobi.
      Im sorry but if your only argument that something doesnt need a chang is, that something else needs to be changed, then ypu are working against yourself lol

    • @jelleposthuma8786
      @jelleposthuma8786 5 років тому +14

      @@danielk.5864 its a joke man

    • @jaymiddleton1782
      @jaymiddleton1782 5 років тому +14

      Nebu :D a salty raider main emerges.

    • @gasmask7064
      @gasmask7064 5 років тому

      Whats wrong with conq :(

  • @ObligatoryBook
    @ObligatoryBook 4 роки тому +32

    2019:
    Shinobi: “I am inevitable”
    2020:
    Shinobi: “I am shit”

    • @nameslotus
      @nameslotus 2 роки тому +3

      2021:
      Shinobi: “I am inevitable.. again..”

  • @silberu
    @silberu 5 років тому +103

    Hell hath no fury like a man in revenge grabbed by a ranged GB

    • @Blue-df3zz
      @Blue-df3zz 5 років тому +2

      Satisfying when you do it annyoing when you're the one having it done to

    • @yungmalaria
      @yungmalaria 5 років тому +3

      Blue Honestly you have be kinda sadistic to find satisfaction in something like that lmao

    • @danestambaugh255
      @danestambaugh255 5 років тому +6

      @@yungmalaria I mean i think we all have a sadistic side in us that enjoys fucking people with ass mechanics. Like the stampede squad video

    • @thealduinslayer4903
      @thealduinslayer4903 5 років тому

      Truly. No man, no god can quell the pure rage that is that man

    • @LordThatch
      @LordThatch 5 років тому +1

      Amen to that

  • @trevorclaus1432
    @trevorclaus1432 5 років тому +278

    Wait wait wait....his lights do my Valk's heavy damage? Come on.

    • @thomasfield3185
      @thomasfield3185 5 років тому +21

      @Füćč Ñï99å you mean 'give the enemy a free gb' button?

    • @mida-em1fu
      @mida-em1fu 5 років тому +1

      Wtf is wrong whit y

    • @The_Duval
      @The_Duval 5 років тому +21

      @@rfr_Foglia not like Valkyrie started off broken and then Ubi "fixed" her by giving her every gimick in the Game. Bleed, crushing counter, knock down, hyper armor, unblockable, shield bash, etc. Valk has it all

    • @osvaldolaracuente6739
      @osvaldolaracuente6739 5 років тому +8

      @@The_Duval she does at the cost of damage for my most part. She grows stronger as time goes it seems.

    • @blaze-uo5pm
      @blaze-uo5pm 5 років тому +3

      Cant hear you I'm 70 miles away

  • @SomeKnight
    @SomeKnight 5 років тому +116

    Can we just get external gb indicators ffs.

    • @richardbonnette490
      @richardbonnette490 4 роки тому +3

      Yeah .... AnD then we find heroes OTHER than shinobi abusing the indicators just because they can do that to take people off guard in gank wars.

    • @Kitsune_Chara_CG
      @Kitsune_Chara_CG 4 роки тому

      Tbh in my opinion they can keep the armor on some moves BUT NOT SUPER ARMOR FFS WTF imagime Super armor on wardens shoulder or my main Vortiger Super armored bashes wtf they nerfed him to hard The kick can have hyperarmor but still

  • @shakinbake120
    @shakinbake120 5 років тому +93

    Ah, my beloved For Honor. Where turning into a cloud of smoke, auto parrying, teleporting and attack animations that can bend reality is not what we asked for, but apparently what we deserve.

    • @destarker1340
      @destarker1340 5 років тому +3

      Funny since this is what we deserve

  • @Salacavalini
    @Salacavalini 5 років тому +45

    I love how the character with full plate has almost no armored moves whatsoever, and the spy in rags has the most powerful form of armor in the game. Who made these design choices?

    • @kalawaki
      @kalawaki 5 років тому +14

      Armor is evidently more about your health pool while hyper armor is your ability to just ignore pain.

    • @dovahkiin_brasil
      @dovahkiin_brasil 4 роки тому +2

      Hey ubi heard you, now Shinobi don't has any armor

    • @Salacavalini
      @Salacavalini 4 роки тому

      @@dovahkiin_brasil Good.

    • @LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial
      @LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial 4 роки тому +1

      I am the spy

    • @MeisterSchwabbo
      @MeisterSchwabbo 4 роки тому

      @@dovahkiin_brasil he don't deserve any kind of armor. Only cowards are playing him.

  • @OtsdarvaOS
    @OtsdarvaOS 5 років тому +131

    Someone told me Shinobi was low tier. Then proceeded to abuse Backflip.

    • @itzminogue2645
      @itzminogue2645 5 років тому +20

      He is low tier but it doesnt mean he doesnt have broken mechanics.
      Like nobu. Her offense sucks dick but HS is the most op defensive move in the game.

    • @honestlyhuman6404
      @honestlyhuman6404 5 років тому +3

      Shinobi is low tier

    • @nathanflinchum1153
      @nathanflinchum1153 5 років тому +2

      HonestlyHuman true dat, backflip doesn’t even get dodge frames and the fact that his ranged heavies suck in 1 on 1, I wonder what it would be like if he had something more like shamans jumping heavy

    • @OtsdarvaOS
      @OtsdarvaOS 5 років тому +1

      @@nathanflinchum1153 10/10 jokes all around. Proud of you guys.

    • @214bands8
      @214bands8 5 років тому +3

      Shinobi is low tier

  • @ArtyomFinch
    @ArtyomFinch 5 років тому +149

    I’ve always wanted to like Shinobi because it was a risky move making a character like him. But they just had to make him the safest and most clusterfucked design ever. Well back to ignoring he exists and crossing my fingers for a cent buff

    • @fearspackofwolves699
      @fearspackofwolves699 5 років тому +9

      Leon Thyne cent buff more like a straight up rework he is such a poor character design

    • @Gravelordnito934
      @Gravelordnito934 5 років тому +1

      @@fearspackofwolves699 ok dude

    • @yungmalaria
      @yungmalaria 5 років тому +11

      Cent is really different side of the same coin as shinobi, both of them need a serious overhaul. The difference is shinobi has way more utility and strengths overall.

    • @phierle1061
      @phierle1061 5 років тому +3

      yung malaria Ironic that both characters got released at the same time and both of them were overpowered (shinobi was found to be op later).

    • @geraudasso4732
      @geraudasso4732 5 років тому +4

      I think centurion is a pretty decent character overall, i’m confortable playing with him in any situation and i think the only thing that he lacks off is his bashes mixups, like really, even a Entamoeba histolytica could react to his follow up punch after neutral heavy 99,8% of the time, it’s almost instinctive how easily you can dodge it, so why not making the kick and the punch faster and giving the punch a tracking property, so he could trick the player into charging the punch a little more and putting him down if he dodges the normal one

  • @michaeltaylor6540
    @michaeltaylor6540 5 років тому +162

    So Ubi, why haven't you hired this guy yet? Hes better at play testing your game then you are.

    • @214bands8
      @214bands8 5 років тому +6

      not at making decisions about what character to complain about lmao

    • @thealduinslayer4903
      @thealduinslayer4903 5 років тому

      booce slam excuse me wut? 😂

    • @thealduinslayer4903
      @thealduinslayer4903 5 років тому +4

      Preston Cormick Ubisoft made Shinobi. Enough said

    • @maximedurante7574
      @maximedurante7574 5 років тому +3

      @@214bands8 You've been responding to quite literally every comment that got a shred of attention here. Just admit you're being super defensive about your main.

    • @steirqwe7956
      @steirqwe7956 5 років тому +1

      @@214bands8 Boy you are saltier than beef jerky on XVII century ship.

  • @ryan3656
    @ryan3656 3 роки тому +8

    God I miss old shinobi :(

  • @Lovelykochi
    @Lovelykochi 5 років тому +148

    *Shinobi main has entered the chat*

  • @a40dollardlc64
    @a40dollardlc64 5 років тому +35

    12:05 “dont forget, super armor”
    *sprinkles salt all over shinobi

    • @a40dollardlc64
      @a40dollardlc64 5 років тому

      Nitro 4 sec difference and youre wrong

    • @a40dollardlc64
      @a40dollardlc64 5 років тому

      The exact statment i put but its more 12:03 so we both are wrong

    • @grantbooth8555
      @grantbooth8555 4 роки тому

      Brady Siranaula not anymore

  • @Shmackle123
    @Shmackle123 5 років тому +61

    I'm glad somebody finally said it. I'll never understand how people think this character isn't a walking degenerate. And, to the people who say it's the players' faults for exploiting; What does removing exploitable moves have to do with you if you don't use them? If you're arguing about removing moves you don't even use (apparently) then that tells me right there that you use them.

    • @jessejones5526
      @jessejones5526 5 років тому +1

      explain more on “exploitable moves”. if you are talking about his moveset then you are a degenerate yourself. you can’t say someone has a exploitable moveset. that’s exactly how the devs made it.

    • @Shmackle123
      @Shmackle123 5 років тому +12

      @@jessejones5526 "if you are talking about his moves you're a degenerate yourself." 1. that is the most illogical statement i've ever heard. 2. Many characters had exploitable movesets that operated outside of the way the devs intended. i.e. Cent infinite combo. Highlander wave dashing. 3. Watch the video. He literally goes over all the exploitable aspects of this characters moveset.

    • @jessejones5526
      @jessejones5526 5 років тому +1

      Knightly exploitable. highlander yes that is the only thing you listed that would be considered exploitable. cent inf combo? bro.... if you think cent can land over 2 punches on you in the whole match you don’t have rights to speak in this conversation. like i said just fucking adapt to the hero and stop bitching like ubisoft will do anything. your one voice and they are a multi-million $$$ con

    • @elsavoywaffle8247
      @elsavoywaffle8247 5 років тому

      @@jessejones5526 "no hero is exploitable" lmao

    • @NormalMrCool
      @NormalMrCool 5 років тому +3

      Jesse Jones You’re talking about current Cent right? Not the Cent who could infinite combo you right? Why do you think they removed the wallsplat off his punch? It allowed you to infinite combo you fucking mongoloid

  • @Going1outof10
    @Going1outof10 3 роки тому +5

    Good job everyone shinobi went from broken to straight broke living on the street.👍

  • @splinterskulll
    @splinterskulll 5 років тому +32

    You know people say characters are broken all the time but shinobi is literally broken

  • @VidalTheKing-
    @VidalTheKing- 5 років тому +94

    Post this on amino my guy, needs a crap ton more attention. I genuinely hate the hell out of Shinobi because of his design

    • @214bands8
      @214bands8 5 років тому +8

      You hate him because you fucking suck

    • @detonater7441
      @detonater7441 5 років тому +2

      booce slam or maybe because he has some OP aspects (imo)

    • @zachariz1490
      @zachariz1490 5 років тому +2

      detonater7 shinobi is not op in some points. He is broken in some points. Not broken like "too strong", no. Broken like "the fuck happened? This does not follow any rule i've been told"

    • @VidalTheKing-
      @VidalTheKing- 5 років тому +1

      @@214bands8 Ah yes. The fact that he can hold me down while his teammates hit me without concern has to do with my skill even though I genuinely can't move... yes yes. I'm sorry he's totally fine. Specially being the only character with revenge knock down too

    • @detonater7441
      @detonater7441 5 років тому

      Zacha Riz I understand what you mean however I must say I disagree

  • @ivibetoomuch465
    @ivibetoomuch465 5 років тому +36

    Me: *plays shinobi*
    Everyone in the game: let me just gank you real quick

    • @ImperatorTrajun
      @ImperatorTrajun 5 років тому +30

      You deserve it

    • @yungmalaria
      @yungmalaria 5 років тому +24

      If I have shinobi in range I kill before *he’s not in range*

    • @OxygenThiefYT
      @OxygenThiefYT 5 років тому +3

      I feel you man. It's a hard life out there on the battlefield, main reason why I use stealth.

    • @ahvyondrake4271
      @ahvyondrake4271 5 років тому +1

      Regwire112 _yt or deflect and run away like all shinobis do

    • @randomman8207
      @randomman8207 5 років тому +5

      All shinobi mains should be put into ships and blasted to the sub

  • @kentucker6479
    @kentucker6479 5 років тому +17

    Whenever a Shonobi come to gank, I always focus him first.

    • @shqipe7760
      @shqipe7760 5 років тому +9

      Ukiyo Thats what good players do

    • @slothboi7131
      @slothboi7131 5 років тому +3

      I mained shaman just to kill shinobis running away

    • @adityamanam5716
      @adityamanam5716 5 років тому

      @@slothboi7131 Lmao exact same reason I picked up shaman

    • @zachariz1490
      @zachariz1490 5 років тому

      Ukiyo cause that's the thing to do

  • @yungmalaria
    @yungmalaria 5 років тому +175

    Can we just stop with the shinobi shilling people, just because the hero doesn’t have offense realistically doesn’t mean first of all he’s terrible, secondly doesn’t mean his mechanics aren’t broken. Offense takes a backseat to defense in FH, you have a character who is exclusively good for their ability to punish in FH.
    “But I don’t have a problem with all the shinobis I fight”, And I never had a problem with any of the PKs I fought for the first 5 seasons of the game, doesn’t mean the hero wasn’t busted and overtuned. Do you think people like dying to 50 damage punishes for one mistake? B-b-but my low HP pool, how does a good shinobi player take damage in the first place.
    The hero is problematic and needed to be reworked more than anyone in the cast for more than a year now. I can barely take anyone seriously who thinks otherwise when people still said he was bad even when they knew about his old 300 ms slide.

    • @ReasonableLogic
      @ReasonableLogic 5 років тому +12

      Stop bitching about it and get good I'm a shinobi main and i have a fun time going up against Shinobis while I'm playing as him or playing as another character even if I lose or win dude stop complaining about a character

    • @solarys9123
      @solarys9123 5 років тому +3

      That is why there are 5 Raider picks per Shinobi player right?

    • @yungmalaria
      @yungmalaria 5 років тому +47

      Klairz Yeah let me stop bitching about getting deflected for 50 damage against a hero I can barely touch. Fuck me for wanting to play the video game.

    • @yungmalaria
      @yungmalaria 5 років тому +22

      Droow tolokoahiprimo What does people wanting to play raider have to do with shinobi? Most people don’t utilize shinobis defensive strengths, while most opponents get melted by stun tap because they aren’t experienced at the game. If you think offense has a clear advantage over defense than you do not understand this game.

    • @AB-it8hd
      @AB-it8hd 5 років тому +4

      yung malaria shut yo bitch ass up

  • @TheFadedMusic
    @TheFadedMusic 5 років тому +11

    So... here’s my question then, how do they fix him, but not totally make him useless/boring/etc? I’ll be totally honest, shinobi is my main, and while I’m tired of ALL OF THE BITCHING about him I totally understand why people get annoyed. I want him to remain playable, but I also want him in line with the other chars. I’m by no means a great shinobi, I’m aggressive, not great at deflects, and I just learned about his smokeless kick. So any real nerf is probably gonna totally fuck me up, but if it’s better for the game I can learn to play his new form. I just want him to stay usable. I don’t want another gladiator or valk.

    • @deflectnya
      @deflectnya 4 роки тому

      This is so true if only we didn’t get 6 nerfs in a row because ubi thinks shinobi is the most unhealthy thing for the game yet they give cent a Variable timed bash that can be fainted thx ubi

  • @shinryudracruina2906
    @shinryudracruina2906 5 років тому +14

    Honestly, I detest fighting Shinobi's in breach as Shugoki. As someone who loves that fat hippo, it's really infuriating not being able to actually, well land a hit and get caught during recovery by a range gb

    • @voidinheritant
      @voidinheritant 5 років тому +1

      shugo is definitely the worst character for shinobi to go up against

    • @shinryudracruina2906
      @shinryudracruina2906 5 років тому +1

      @@voidinheritant For Shinobi to go up against? I think it's the other way around.

    • @deathstroke8639
      @deathstroke8639 5 років тому +1

      @@shinryudracruina2906 I agree man as a shugoki main if the shinobi is smart i'm pretty much doomed

    • @voidinheritant
      @voidinheritant 5 років тому

      @@shinryudracruina2906 helllll noo, we rely on dodges... just charge heavy cancel into demon embrace ad we are fucked lmao

    • @user-gd6ly3lk9t
      @user-gd6ly3lk9t 5 років тому +4

      @@voidinheritant Shinobi can counter shugoki 50/50 by literally *walking backwards* . Very fun idea, ty ubi

  • @CaptainRx-ss3rt
    @CaptainRx-ss3rt 5 років тому +55

    Well that and also the fact that he is so boring to fight against

    • @christianrivera1708
      @christianrivera1708 5 років тому

      He only has like 5 moves in his entire kit lol

    • @voidinheritant
      @voidinheritant 5 років тому +4

      @@christianrivera1708 its not our fault that we have nothing viable to use other than kick punishes and kick bait GBs

    • @nialencapefet5154
      @nialencapefet5154 5 років тому +2

      @@voidinheritant But you had a tanto. What is the shinobis' fault is that they still did not made the world a better place by seppuku.

    • @voidinheritant
      @voidinheritant 5 років тому

      @@nialencapefet5154 ok bro

    • @214bands8
      @214bands8 5 років тому +6

      Bandit Banned it that’s what I’m saying and we still make it work with our low fuckin health and terrible defense and niggas still can’t beat us talkin that “nerf shinobi cause I suck dick!!”

  • @Blackwolf-ud5je
    @Blackwolf-ud5je 5 років тому +16

    Additional things worth mentioning imo:
    In 1v1s, the blackflip is a good tool to his already really good spacing ability.
    His guardmode backwalking speed is insane. This further allows Shinobi to turtle, and just keep spacing against his opponent.

    • @mihajlocvijetic1868
      @mihajlocvijetic1868 5 років тому +2

      Yeah his backwalk speed completely counters warden and shugoki's 50/50

    • @brahstergm8390
      @brahstergm8390 5 років тому +1

      Blackwolf but isn’t shinobi a ninja? And traditionally in the entertainment word aren’t ninjas fast as hell? But I guess it’s ok to take it off since lawbro has mad armor and barely any hyper armor 🤷🏼‍♂️

    • @yungmalaria
      @yungmalaria 5 років тому +3

      Brahster GM Do you really want to fight a hero you can even hit the entire game because of some stupid concept of thematic balance. Also gladiator and Shaolin have the same locked movement as well.

    • @brahstergm8390
      @brahstergm8390 5 років тому

      yung malaria I saw shinobi as a Mayweather type of fighter because of his health, now if you give me Lawbringer health I guess I wouldn’t mind the rework.
      Been able to frustrate my opponent is key 🔑
      Also made it super rewarding for me at list to get in and try to trade with people sometimes because the odds are basically stacked against Shino at close range due to health and his guard.
      Pardon my grammar, never been a fan of English class 😆

    • @yungmalaria
      @yungmalaria 5 років тому +2

      Brahster GM The way you play doesn’t mean there isn’t the ability to just walk backwards or run the whole game and punish any attempt of the opponent attacking for absurds amount of damage. There is ALWAYS the option to do nothing in FH and with shinobis mobility you can have even more options and potential with that.

  • @trufu9678
    @trufu9678 5 років тому +38

    I’m a shinobi main and I said it once and again...he needs a rework. Hero is literally all over the place. After watching this Freeze you taught me some shit I never knew.

    • @eshooter6718
      @eshooter6718 5 років тому +1

      I feel like they need a new move. Just one and I'll be ok.

    • @avy6153
      @avy6153 5 років тому +10

      Nerf his damege, increase his health, get rid of super armor and change the kick to be more useful. And a external gb indicator

    • @eshooter6718
      @eshooter6718 5 років тому

      @@avy6153 what's super armor again.

    • @avy6153
      @avy6153 5 років тому

      @@eshooter6718 When you bash someone doing a attack with hiper armor you can interrupt the attack. Super armor is when you can't do that

    • @eshooter6718
      @eshooter6718 5 років тому

      @@avy6153 Oh yea ik what you mean like when you get to go for a kick but a light spamming Orochi keeps stopping it when you should get hyper armor.

  • @ThePortableTornado
    @ThePortableTornado 5 років тому

    Thanks for all the hard work Freeze!

  • @JoyridePinks
    @JoyridePinks 5 років тому +15

    His revenge deflect kick knocks you down I believe I doubt they changed it

    • @QuantumBeard
      @QuantumBeard 5 років тому +3

      He pointed that out in his Shinobi punish vid
      But yeah it's fuckin ridiculous

  • @koneko.3006
    @koneko.3006 5 років тому +5

    Ubisoft saw this video and said “yup this right here”

  • @tomatojuices5340
    @tomatojuices5340 5 років тому +4

    For honor : we fight with honor!
    Shinobi : we don't do that here.

  • @discoalice
    @discoalice 5 років тому +1

    I found you randomly lol, I don't regret it at all, new sub

  • @bryttonica6286
    @bryttonica6286 5 років тому +16

    Not only is shinobi easily the most broken character in the game, but why is it that almost all the players maining him are so god dang toxic? Like I literally can't think of another characters player base that is so infuriating

    • @shqipe7760
      @shqipe7760 5 років тому +6

      Bryttonica shaman,lawbringer,warden ,orochi,tiandi

    • @deadlyframe7794
      @deadlyframe7794 5 років тому +8

      Shugo, lawbringer and raider all almost always toxic as well, at least on console ive found.

    • @deathstroke8639
      @deathstroke8639 5 років тому +3

      Raider, orochi, every character in the fire expansion and many more chief

    • @thealduinslayer4903
      @thealduinslayer4903 5 років тому

      Petrit A. Lawbringer? Shaman?! Wat?!

    • @frankenbeans9346
      @frankenbeans9346 5 років тому

      Well orochi, and raider are right up there with him

  • @ArsonBoy5996
    @ArsonBoy5996 5 років тому +4

    BUT RAIDER THO FREEZE
    *R A I D E R*

    • @yungmalaria
      @yungmalaria 5 років тому +1

      if he can’t attack there’s nothing broken in his moveset pepega
      let’s demand he gets attacks and then complain about his broken defense after
      But also he’s fine don’t change him
      *Help me*

    • @slothboi7131
      @slothboi7131 5 років тому +1

      Hey ur that guy that makes cool vids

    • @ArsonBoy5996
      @ArsonBoy5996 5 років тому

      @@slothboi7131no I'm just a good little boy my mommy can tell you that much

    • @slothboi7131
      @slothboi7131 5 років тому

      @@ArsonBoy5996 I wish I had a mom

  • @VerySolid
    @VerySolid 5 років тому +73

    Lot of bad players in this comment section lmao, ty for the vid freeze

    • @johnsmith-fk7fw
      @johnsmith-fk7fw 5 років тому +6

      yeah so many anti-shinobi crybabies...just learn to play lmao

    • @frankenbeans9346
      @frankenbeans9346 5 років тому +3

      @@johnsmith-fk7fw lol, imagine being so unskilled and a pussy that you had to use shinobi 🤣, well I doubt you have to imagine it being that you're already living it.

    • @duhman3649
      @duhman3649 5 років тому +5

      @@frankenbeans9346 The Shinobi really isn't broken at all. He has a bad health pool and the majority of his moves (short and long range) are quite reactable and easy to block or parry. All of you salty noobs need to either get better or just stop trying to get Ubisoft to nerf hero's that you're not good enough to fight

    • @NightWolf-si7st
      @NightWolf-si7st 5 років тому +1

      @@duhman3649 One day if ever you will get to the rank where you can not touch a shinobi because he does nothing you can punish and you will fuck up sooner or later you will understand. Go for a trounament seriusly. On the last tournament i was beaten in the grand final by a shinobi because simply you can not punish him and he can punish you. (He is my counter but still nothing i said is false) This shinobi was not out of grandmaster for years(and i mean around gm 20 or better) which is tottaly fine for an easy to beat hero right ? put your fucking main down for a sec and realize that he isnt the best hero but he is badly designed and easily abused. Im a Warden main and she is one of the best if not the best duelist in the game. im not going around telling people she needs a buff or that she dosent need nerf just cause she is my main. Try to look at the facts rather than saying something like : you think my main is op reee you're a noob people did that with every broken/simply badly designed hero and its just boring at this point. Shinobi is one of the worst designed hero in the game rn.

    • @NightWolf-si7st
      @NightWolf-si7st 5 років тому +1

      @@duhman3649 If you think Centurion is overpowered or broken i have nothing more to say.

  • @lk5732
    @lk5732 5 років тому

    Great video as always

  • @StevieBearGrillsFTW
    @StevieBearGrillsFTW 5 років тому +1

    Could you give ur opinion on what you would change in his moveset?

  • @ZeroEffort
    @ZeroEffort 5 років тому +29

    Every competitve player knows Shinobi represents the worst parts of the game. Super armour should not exist on almost every character. Maybe one or two moves. The fact that he has tech like quick dodge (dodge, ranged heavy, dodge creates a very fast dodge that isn't a double dodge) back flip makes him immune to almost every attack. Even if you try to punish it he can get an easy ranged gb for 53dmg.
    On top of that, option select parry with ranged heavy, option select deflect with double dodge. Only character that can deflect shinobi and get the actual deflect off is shaman. Pk gets her 35dmg but can be hit with a ranged gb. Something else people fail to mention is he has the fastest back walk speed, doesn't seem important right? Other than the fact that he can literally walk away from some moves. If warden full charges a bash then faints into gb, it wiffs. Let go the full charged and that's a 40dmg Guard break.
    Edit: Oh and his very balanced 40dmg light parry which is just 10 less than double Cents, and 8 less than double Valks. Not to mention the highest damage heavy parry at 29 damage, not including set up moves like Cent knee into wall splat or LawBringers impale into wall splat.
    TLDR; sHiNoBi nEeDs a BuFf

    • @cloude8496
      @cloude8496 5 років тому +4

      Lawbringer still has the best parries both heavy and light,still shinobi is really strong

    • @masterofstacking5638
      @masterofstacking5638 5 років тому

      Nonsochenomemettere law bringer has the best damage potential shinobi has the best consistent damage

    • @cloude8496
      @cloude8496 5 років тому

      @@masterofstacking5638 maybe on heavy parry,law has 50 consistent damage on light parries

    • @masterofstacking5638
      @masterofstacking5638 5 років тому +3

      Nonsochenomemettere I’m aware but at least on console light parries are less frequent and shinobi is much safer with his option select parries so in theory he should be landing more parries than lawbringer

    • @ZeroEffort
      @ZeroEffort 5 років тому +1

      @@cloude8496 Yes, but Lawbringer specialises in parries and the little offence he has focuses around heavies and unblockables rarther than trading or bashes.

  • @ogmudbone9093
    @ogmudbone9093 5 років тому +15

    Thank you freeze very cool, I cant wait for all the chromosome abundant players to come in here, hit you with the "b-b-b-bb-b-but he has 10 less hp so he dies in 3 hit unlike every other character who also dies in 3 hits, basically no health" before they go back to munching on the crayons.
    Also im in this video :)

    • @yungmalaria
      @yungmalaria 5 років тому +4

      🤪🖍

    • @TSE_WOODY
      @TSE_WOODY 5 років тому

      yung malaria dude can you make a old school vid for shinobi pls about the crayon devourers

    • @yungmalaria
      @yungmalaria 5 років тому

      woody old school as in what? Rant video? Blade of aids?

    • @danestambaugh255
      @danestambaugh255 5 років тому

      @@yungmalaria a blade of aids remake with shino would be fuckin lovely

  • @Legion1620
    @Legion1620 5 років тому

    So what you are saying is, play shinobi while I wait for Pk to get numbers tuning? Thanks!

  • @okbessa
    @okbessa 5 років тому

    Great video as always!!!

  • @jaymiddleton1782
    @jaymiddleton1782 5 років тому +138

    All Shinobis deserve to be locked in a room with pre-rework aramusha.

    • @mihajlocvijetic1868
      @mihajlocvijetic1868 5 років тому +60

      Or season 2 centurion

    • @davv1dd
      @davv1dd 5 років тому +2

      Sure, but still counterable.

    • @TSE_WOODY
      @TSE_WOODY 5 років тому +19

      at 20fps with a tv on 50ms response rate

    • @musaabughoush8933
      @musaabughoush8933 5 років тому

      Option select pose kick to leadge always or run tell he comment to out of luck havey to a deflect high damge punish

    • @tylermclin1976
      @tylermclin1976 5 років тому +5

      Aramusha is my favorite match up for shinobi. My rule is I'll trade a 40 damage side heavy for your dodge kick all day. Well that and centurion... Gotta love gbing a shinobi and showing them a cutscene

  • @dickballs3409
    @dickballs3409 5 років тому +26

    *cries in EFB*

    • @andreazhab
      @andreazhab 5 років тому +11

      I can't wait for that idiot to get super triggered

    • @daed1819
      @daed1819 5 років тому +8

      Magjistarite Show Why is he an idiot?

    • @marqfarland9733
      @marqfarland9733 5 років тому

      Why not?

    • @williamwalsh4743
      @williamwalsh4743 5 років тому +12

      *Is good with a fun character
      "Hahaha call him an idiot that will surely show him my superiority"

    • @professoremil
      @professoremil 5 років тому +9

      @@andreazhab Someone got their cheeks clapped in a duel.

  • @deadlees1254
    @deadlees1254 5 років тому

    So I have a question isn’t it stupid how you can slide and ledge yourself but raider and warlord can charge into a ledge and not die because you can apparently walk on nothing?

  • @simenvh2353
    @simenvh2353 4 роки тому

    do you have any ideas for a potential shinobi rework?

  • @anemone3777
    @anemone3777 5 років тому +4

    Two considerations, putting up front that everything said in this video is pretty much true.
    First up they might be doing ubi's stupid thing of not touching his gank until a rework, much like raider or LB, which might hint at a shinobi rework next season.
    About the deflect i think the difference is that Berzerker deflect got you stuck in the middle of a gank, which might be not ideal at times, while shinobi deflect is way less dangerous to activate randomly as it moves you away from your position and out of being flanked.

  • @thresherc8841
    @thresherc8841 5 років тому +7

    I still think sprint attacks need to be looked at as a whole by Ubi. 35 damage for raider, which is decently fast with fantastic tracking, while orochi gets a slow, crummy 17 damage heavy. Worth looking into

  • @kermitthefrog8243
    @kermitthefrog8243 2 роки тому +2

    Its weird to look back on old shinobi and how far from the main mechanics are from his reworks

  • @RafaelSantos-pi8py
    @RafaelSantos-pi8py 5 років тому +2

    Shinobi is not dificult 1v1 but in a gank you better lock on the shinobi and not turn your back on him, otherwise it will be a very short gank.

    • @NightWolf-si7st
      @NightWolf-si7st 5 років тому

      if he woudnt work in 1v1 he you woudnt see him on tournaments

  • @kuntychiv3151
    @kuntychiv3151 5 років тому +3

    Thanks for making this video. Shinobi needs some type of rework since nobody uses him anymore unless they pick him only to gang

  • @theguardlorenzo5898
    @theguardlorenzo5898 5 років тому +5

    i have seen once a shinoby that got hit by 4 people and the deflect affected all of the 4 guys

    • @jacket8818
      @jacket8818 5 років тому +1

      I don’t think that’s a thing anymore

    • @Alex_Aramayo
      @Alex_Aramayo 5 років тому +1

      No the shinobi deflected all 4 but only damaged 1 opponent Trust me ik bc I've externally deflected a shit ton of times p.s. i'm a rep 35 Shinobi

    • @yungmalaria
      @yungmalaria 5 років тому

      I think it only applies to the guy he’s locked on, it will play the animation for all four but only do damage to that one guy iirc

    • @danestambaugh255
      @danestambaugh255 5 років тому

      malaria doesn't it stack the damage though

  • @nicholasnguyen9503
    @nicholasnguyen9503 4 роки тому

    How would you change Shinobi?

  • @hexd8311
    @hexd8311 4 роки тому

    How did u set up a 2v1

  • @braydenfitz318
    @braydenfitz318 5 років тому +4

    I’m a Shinobi main and I love the fuck outta the character BUT GIVE ME MORE MOVES TO USE THAN JUST KICKING AND BACKFLIPPING. DO YOU KNOW HOW BORING IT IS TO USE TWO MOVES WITH THE OCCASIONAL MIXUP? Still love the character tho

  • @dawidwojacki5049
    @dawidwojacki5049 5 років тому +5

    -Play your shinobi rep 30
    -on drugs
    =everything in this video compressed to 2 minutes of gank.

  • @hidanyul
    @hidanyul 5 років тому

    I had no idea about the zone attack against shugoki...gonna use that

  • @jaysantana1317
    @jaysantana1317 3 роки тому

    I know this video is pretty old, but what do you think about Shinobi's current state?

  • @Vaeynheart
    @Vaeynheart 5 років тому +49

    Notifications squad, but geez freeze for some reason YT said this vid was 2 and a half hours I was worried Shinobi threw you over the ledge.

  • @hervisdaubeny6305
    @hervisdaubeny6305 5 років тому +33

    Imagine having to be in range?
    This comment was made by the Shinobi gang!

  • @phx24
    @phx24 3 роки тому +2

    A ranged character in a melee fighting game, amazing idea

  • @tommyg1709
    @tommyg1709 5 років тому

    this is one of the gratest channels of for honor ,so much work put in the vidoes,i apriciate you so much ,you helped me property play my main (highlander) luv u and as we say in romania, kiss you on the wallet

  • @ancientplayercham4939
    @ancientplayercham4939 5 років тому +5

    210 hp
    Shinobi VS highlander = tofu soup

  • @fearspackofwolves699
    @fearspackofwolves699 5 років тому +5

    He is clearly very safe and considerably broken but if they rework/nerf him I would really love for him to have 120 health

    • @zachariz1490
      @zachariz1490 5 років тому

      Fear's Pack of Wolves yeah, 10 more hp tp resist one more shaman light attack. Wouldn't change much unless they make him a character that is in range

  • @thecuck2032
    @thecuck2032 5 років тому

    good lord Ive been waiting so long for someone to lay it out like this. Great video, hope hes next for a rework ^^

    • @FishAnvil
      @FishAnvil 5 років тому

      Him or centurion

  • @lux6230
    @lux6230 5 років тому +2

    This entire video was amazing, but that bit about charging the heavy counting as an attack in revenge blew my mind. I never knew that. O.O

    • @itzminogue2645
      @itzminogue2645 5 років тому

      Its the same with HL sitting on offense lol. Its so great to see tha happening

    • @zachariz1490
      @zachariz1490 5 років тому

      Itz Minogue didn't even know it was a thing. Eager to try that

  • @HELLCAT0877
    @HELLCAT0877 5 років тому +26

    wait....shinoBOIY got HA and super armour?
    *CRY IN LAWBRINGER*

    • @jeanvaljean6433
      @jeanvaljean6433 5 років тому +2

      shut up lawbringer doesnt need any
      besides he has ha on shove

    • @nialencapefet5154
      @nialencapefet5154 5 років тому +8

      Well, will of fire. If you watch Naruto, it will make sense, they have like extra 20 liters of blood and up until their flashback episode is over, they can't die.

    • @eskimojoe5474
      @eskimojoe5474 5 років тому +5

      Doomstar 95 Hold up. So you’re saying that a small Japanese man wearing nothing but cloth and holding little scythes deserves HA on nearly every single one of his moves, but a literal tank made of steel plates with a 6 foot tall axe doesn’t need any at all?

    • @jeanvaljean6433
      @jeanvaljean6433 5 років тому +4

      @@eskimojoe5474 this sort of thinking is fucking stupid and wrong,berserker would not have any hyper armour if that was the case and that would make him awful.Of course i'm not saying he needs any armour on his zone,but please for the sake of god do not make any fucking realist arguments.Not in for honor.

    • @FishAnvil
      @FishAnvil 5 років тому

      Wait hyper armor and super armor?

  • @mena10ss
    @mena10ss 5 років тому +5

    You also forgot that the deflect goes through hyper armor attacks AND multiple characters as well, making it completely safe to deflect unlike other assassins.

    • @cocaineape
      @cocaineape 5 років тому +8

      To be fair all deflects should beat hyper armor

    • @user-nx8bd8mk9x
      @user-nx8bd8mk9x 5 років тому +1

      If i remember correctly, berserkers always have their GBs, except in case of backflip.

    • @mena10ss
      @mena10ss 5 років тому

      big boy true, but until then it’s bs lol

    • @mena10ss
      @mena10ss 5 років тому

      @Semi-Iron warrior well in a gank situation it’s pretty pointless to deflect guardbreak with zerk since you’ll just get hammered. Shinobi literally just evades EVERYTHING from one deflect

    • @user-nx8bd8mk9x
      @user-nx8bd8mk9x 5 років тому

      @@mena10ss that is true, but i thought we were talking about hyperarmor problem.

  • @ticbox4326
    @ticbox4326 5 років тому +1

    I honestly did not know about how you could deflect certain dash attacks after a failed kick

  • @gabe3085
    @gabe3085 2 роки тому +2

    Looking back I get why they had to remove some of the aspects of his defense but man getting rid of quad dash just really ruined the game for me. I'm sure he could have been changed in a way that didn't completely gut quad dashing. But man i remember just spending hours practicing my quad dashes in the training range with zero stamina restrictions. And pulling that sick movement out in-game was like nothing else the game had to offer. Even though most of the time it was just useless dodges it felt so cool. Really sucks that I'll never be able to experience that again

  • @Ben-cw2ey
    @Ben-cw2ey 5 років тому +3

    Overtunned damage you say? Why does Raider come to mind...

    • @gavinnapier4532
      @gavinnapier4532 5 років тому

      Atleast Raiders attacks are only guaranteed on parried, shinobi gets 40 damage off GB and 24 or 29 off a heavy parry while raider gets 15 on heavy parry and 40 off a light parry and 28 at most on gb

    • @yungmalaria
      @yungmalaria 5 років тому +2

      Most damage in For Honor is overtuned, Raiders is offensively focused for the most part, still things like the 40 damage stun tap chain finisher heavy is really dumb. But most people don’t even want to part with their 40 damage light parries. I don’t know why Raider gets more of the mentions for characters recently changed having high damage when LB does even more damage off punishes than shin does.

    • @user-mj2bq1hg7f
      @user-mj2bq1hg7f 5 років тому

      @@gavinnapier4532 and your not gonna talk about how broken stunning tap is?

    • @gavinnapier4532
      @gavinnapier4532 5 років тому

      @@user-mj2bq1hg7f that's different, it's still broken but it's doesn't deal insane damage

    • @user-mj2bq1hg7f
      @user-mj2bq1hg7f 5 років тому

      @@gavinnapier4532 are u sure about that? literally every assassin in the game get melted by raider stunning tap.

  • @lefty5628
    @lefty5628 5 років тому +14

    It's sad how many people are completely missing the point of this video, thank you for saying what has been on every decent player's mind for so long, people defending all of this purely broken BS cus "shino has low health". No character should only be good when played in a way that defeats the purpose of the game

    • @saltsnorter7823
      @saltsnorter7823 5 років тому +9

      It’s not even low, 110 HP is 10 less than standard assassins. I don’t see how people even come up with that argument.

    • @lefty5628
      @lefty5628 5 років тому +2

      Yeah it isn't really that low and the whole roster dies in 3-4 heavies which IMO is another massive issue in FH right now

    • @lefty5628
      @lefty5628 5 років тому

      I shouldn't say it isn't low cut it is, everyone has a small health pool

    • @sergeantsentry8864
      @sergeantsentry8864 5 років тому +1

      Salt Snorter they came up with that argument when he had 90 health.

    • @yungmalaria
      @yungmalaria 5 років тому

      SergeantSentry Honestly made even less sense then when he had 400 ms kick and I think even 500 ms side dash recovery. Also was even less characters that could punish his stuff, think it was valk that could punish kick back in the day.

  • @wiitubeonline
    @wiitubeonline 5 років тому

    So what you’re saying is I should pick up Shinobi?

  • @zapansmorg
    @zapansmorg 5 років тому +1

    The video was helpfull, thanks for posting, later freeze!

  • @zer0_ner034
    @zer0_ner034 5 років тому +3

    I hate how shinobi can backflip as soon as he lands from his dodge kick bash animation.

    • @zachariz1490
      @zachariz1490 5 років тому

      Zer0_ Ner0 throwing a heavy with some characters tracks the backflip. It's just useless to backflip since the kick itself almost can't be punished

    • @zer0_ner034
      @zer0_ner034 5 років тому

      @@zachariz1490 Ah. And here I was doing a light in an attempt to punish.

  • @djad4118
    @djad4118 5 років тому +5

    Well it’s settled, the only real historical sword combat game worth playing is Minecraft.

  • @nathanielschroepfer9316
    @nathanielschroepfer9316 4 роки тому

    Hey is all of this up to date? I'm also curious about the max punish video.

  • @TaxTaxMouravi
    @TaxTaxMouravi 4 роки тому

    How about aramushas the all guard stance when you hit him and he does the light tap he holds you plus does damage and other people can hit you

  • @booleanbunko
    @booleanbunko 5 років тому +4

    No discussion of double dodge cancel into GB?

    • @itzminogue2645
      @itzminogue2645 5 років тому +2

      U can dodge the kick on reaction so that mix up really has no value

    • @zachariz1490
      @zachariz1490 5 років тому

      Itz Minogue you can punish some characters with that. Dodge warden's charged bash then gb with a ranged guardbreak -also prevents you from missing due to warden being able to bash just out of range from your gb-

  • @papasauce234
    @papasauce234 5 років тому +5

    I found a stupid high damage combo with shaman on shinobi, you deflect, kick, ranged heavy and then the shaman goes for a bite immediately after then you roll in and do a heavy light at the end of her bite. I don't remember the damage but it's a lot.

  • @the_big_boogaloo_man946
    @the_big_boogaloo_man946 5 років тому

    I'm pretty new to the game and have taken a liking to Shinobi but I think it is mostly because of his identity and deflects over anything else so I wouldn't mind a rework for him seeing as he is definitely all over the place as you showed. But what would you like to see out of a rework for Shinobi?

  • @NIKONIKO2014
    @NIKONIKO2014 5 років тому

    Can u make a vid on how to counter hitokury kick I remember that the director said he removed shove guard break from law because he said it’s confusing but they reput it in hito

  • @MetallicBascinet
    @MetallicBascinet 5 років тому +13

    Shinobi has Super-Armour.
    All other Heavies only have Hyper-Armour.
    K

    • @FishAnvil
      @FishAnvil 5 років тому +2

      And berserker, on every single attack

    • @voidszns435
      @voidszns435 5 років тому

      @@FishAnvil zerk has hyper armour not super

    • @FishAnvil
      @FishAnvil 5 років тому

      @@voidszns435 oh is there a difference? Maybe I'm just confusing it with terms from platform fighters like RoA or Smash

    • @user-gd6ly3lk9t
      @user-gd6ly3lk9t 5 років тому

      @@FishAnvil super armor ignores not only attacks, but also bashes

    • @FishAnvil
      @FishAnvil 5 років тому

      @@user-gd6ly3lk9t ok

  • @THDAMAGINGSILVERSTAR
    @THDAMAGINGSILVERSTAR 5 років тому +5

    No pressing buttons in my For Honor xD

  • @Kira-xe5di
    @Kira-xe5di 5 років тому

    Well,can I deflect a long range attack tho?with shinobi?

  • @evil_light_wolf108
    @evil_light_wolf108 3 роки тому

    Can u make a part 2. Sense he got nerfed heavily.?

  • @MetallicBascinet
    @MetallicBascinet 5 років тому +4

    Every Faction should have some form of ranged character, lol. That'd be one huge mess.

    • @anthonyvee4251
      @anthonyvee4251 5 років тому +2

      A Viking that throws unblockable war hammers lmao

    • @Anonymous-bz4ms
      @Anonymous-bz4ms 5 років тому

      @@anthonyvee4251 😍 would be my new main

    • @zachariz1490
      @zachariz1490 5 років тому

      AnthonyVee thor in the viking faction? I'm in. Make the effects available on attacks and i'll throw my hammers

  • @Thechickenmafia
    @Thechickenmafia 5 років тому +3

    this is so true. you literslly can't fight them if there 500 YARDS AWAY. WTF?! IK they're NINJAS but cmon! INFINITE STAMINA

  • @judgeharrell46
    @judgeharrell46 5 років тому

    Oh my gosh thank you freeze, hopefully ubi will do something about the ghost external guard break

    • @Mag1ckan
      @Mag1ckan 5 років тому

      And a fuckin backflip that cannot be guardbroken

  • @meleechad6695
    @meleechad6695 5 років тому

    Was playing earlier today, was about to land a killing heavy on some JJ and what do you know? Pulled away by a friendly shinobi with ranged GB

  • @ilikemahalo
    @ilikemahalo 5 років тому +7

    do a cent video, like why can he punch you out of revenge even if ur attacking (hyperarmor even on other bashes)???

    • @lordticklepigs6152
      @lordticklepigs6152 5 років тому +11

      The power of Rome fuels his punches. He is too incredibilis for such incompetent things like revenge

    • @LaserThemTheGirl
      @LaserThemTheGirl 5 років тому +1

      @@lordticklepigs6152 Pretty funny, still annoying though.

  • @CallMeMark231
    @CallMeMark231 5 років тому +8

    Thank God a major UA-camr is finally talking about this walking abomination of a character

  • @Xarl-VIII
    @Xarl-VIII 5 років тому

    I only had a problem with the shinobis sliding kick being able to follow you when you dodge

  • @justpette1503
    @justpette1503 5 років тому +1

    That's some pretty advanced mechanics you see there.
    I hate shinobi, but now you've confirmed my thoughts regarding its dumb DPS, hyper armor, and grabs.