For Honor - Minion Lane Guide (Numbers, Spawnrates etc.)
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- Опубліковано 30 лис 2019
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Small edits: One on the things that makes Kensei strong as a mid pick is his ability to contest Lawbringer's clear with side lights into his unlocked zones with proper spacing, Aramusha can have a slightly faster clear with locked on side heavy top light chains depending on minion density, for Zhanhu I have personally found that after doing a running attack into zone combo you can do zone -> dash attack -> repeat to clear minions pretty quickly but this can drain a ton of stam so be careful with it. Orochi has a sudo infinite chain where u just spam side lights -> finisher cancel into side dash attack then repeat.
Very informative sadly Lawbringer and Kensei are the only ones mentioned that would be worth using for mid.
On the note of dealing with Lawbringer's clear: Tiandi can use his Thunder Dodge's Crushing Counterstrike ability to consistently CC and punish the Lawbringer's unlock zones.
Same with Zhanhu's zone and Kensei's. Albeit, Kensei's is a bit harder to punish than Lawbringer's.
@@lexxrelaxx2016 Gladiator technically has an infinite on minions as well: 3 lights, skewer, dodge light, two lights, skewer, dodge light, repeat. Same with cent, but his has worse tracking and more stam: light, heavy, punch, light, heavy, punch and so on.
2Kawaii4U another one, NO ONE minion clears better than raider
I know this is off topic but I have a feeling you play only girl characters in games don't you? Or switch the gender of characters from male to female. Just a guess
This is a must watch video for every player
Thank you very much craic!
This entire channel is a must watch for every player
It won't help either. People will continue ignore mid line.
I swear i commented this idea on your video just last night
"'why you ask?' because reasons"
Basically the entirety of ubisoft's games
"why did we nerf the shit out of Shinobi? because yes"
@@fernandocontreras4981 because he needed it
@@alexanderodriscoll5603
He was already bad and they absolutely killed the character
@@fernandocontreras4981 good
@@alexanderodriscoll5603 Jesus, man got bullied by a nerfed Shinobi or something and his self-esteem took a huge hit.
I feel a similar guide is needed for roaming and for locking down points.
I was just about to say this
14:29 the more you spin before throwing an attack, the more powerful your attack becomes.
"Beyblade Beyblade!"
can we get a video on each character's roles/strengths and weaknesses
Davon Abeyta that would be nice
Davon Abeyta that would help so many new players cause i played with somebody that mains shaman, and whenever she was clearing minions and i was moving over to B i just said “i got this go help somewhere” cause i main law
Yes please freeze you should definitely do this
There's a tier list made by the competitive community for that very reason docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GrDRm_2w-2bjt9vw0Jowd2xNzOJDDBH_MAXWbStzA_w/edit#gid=2076914673
Yep, i got to see a peacekeeper clearing b
That shinobi zone clearing animation broke my heart
It was SOO good. Then it got nerfed when they changed it to zone, and then I'm pretty sure they nerfed the stamina of zone as well. It's hard to use his zone effectively when clearing minions. After using the other animation for so long I'm still not used to the other one haha
The bots are the mvp every match they go staright into mid lane first
The Same i thought 😂
Let’s talk about randomly gbing minions when fighting someone at B
Ben that’s always nice when it happens
fucking please remove that. i generally play mid and i gb minions multiple times a match. so frustrating
@@brody8857 its funny, when it happens you're like wait what
I accidentally did that like 3 weeks ago so I went with it and threw him at the enemy
@@wesleygaray2666 enemy mid lane 👁👄👁
Zhanhu can clear the lane pretty effectively imo. If you have the Nukekubi feat, you can chain zone and dodge light with basically infinite stamina
Similar to Goki in this vid, Zhanhu has no consistent way of being sustainable in mid. Nukekubi feat puts you at a disadvantage, since its such a bad feat. Comparing that to arrow shot and Fiery Breath. Sure he might have decent clearing potential, but he's not a good mid laner.
Totally agreed, Nukekubi is trash but on Zhanhu it makes him one of the fastest (maybe the fastest) clearer in the game. Arrow shot is slow as fuck to be really effective (only in gank if your ally doesnt intercept it), Fiery breath is far too situationnal. + in teamfight it allows you to chain zone really easily.
11:55 a hug on a minion heals you? I didn’t know that
Exile07 Also works on pikemen.
shaman can do the same on pikemen
@@SilentLegion96 normally there isn't one pikemen so the health you heal is negated or you may lose more health by doing demons embrace on pikemen
miller repin You have to be very careful in clearing all but one pikemen and making sure he’s far from your own. Otherwise they’ll hit you out of demon’s embrace or shaman’s bite.
It’s a hassle really but when your desperate it’s an option.
That moment when you already religiously clearing mid but had no idea you were this helpful to the team
I wish my teammates knew that the minion lane existed instead.
Lots of them are LBs, but I always find myself clearing the midlane as PK because nobody else will do it
LBs sitting on home point emote spamming while a shaman clears mid is big brain gaming
Man I miss those minion kill animations :( One of the main reasons dominion was the favourite gamemode back then...
Id love to see a video like this explaining the different Positions for each class, I think itd be super helpful.
I thought I was seeing things when I saw x38 with a Lawdaddy bomb on Citadel
That's so satisfying to know I got em all, thanks Freeze!
14:30 Light light heavy is Wardens best clearing combo... Just thought this would be good information to anyone who is curious :)
imagine how different this would've been had the minion animations still been there...
I don't wanna get in the discussion of wether they should be brought back or not, but the shinobi's heavy deserves a shoutout...
stop reminding me of the op back zone days it gives me conniptions.
I miss it too :(
For Zhanhu I do sprint attack into zone into light finisher, and then heavy opener, wait, heavy opener, wait, heavy opener... Works pretty well, that heavy opener has a pretty big hitbox, much better than any of the two finishers.
For Orochi, definitely get into lock stance, and then triple side light into dash light (end of chain recovery cancel) into more side light into more dash light... This is very stamina efficient, and you can clear almost a full stack of minions non-stop if they are tightly packed. If they are in loose formation the dash light has some very decent tracking distance.
@freeze I really think this video has had a direct impact on the meta.
I’m a rep 60 Aramusha, used to being knee deep in B, and in the two or so days since this video has been released, it’s become an incredibly popular spot.
I had no idea B was so valuable, and now everyone knows, and it’s changed the way people are playing - at least in the matches I’ve been having.
You kind of covered it but the fastest way to get B back to neutral is to kill the very front line of the attackers. The first layer, if you will. Generally these are the guys stood on or in front of the line. With Mushas infinite combo you can make the zone neutral in seconds no matter how big the pack of minions is.
now that's some good fockin content!
You say things like “Valk has no business clearing mid”. Can you do a video on where each hero should be and what their role is in dominion?
@@WhirlwindHeatAndFlash imagine thinking valk is still ass tier
Thanks freeze. For the entire 3 years i’ve been playing this game, I always wondered what that middle lane was about.
First vid in awhile where I didn't know a lot in it. Good job as always. Appreciate you.
Great content with real value, as always. I appreciate what you do immensely.
I don’t play orochi often but I found his pseudo-infinite chain works pretty well to clear mid by using dash light after chain finishers. Just wanted to mention it in case it was overlooked.
So freeze explained everything like 1 year ago.. Thank you !
I've waited YEARS for this! YEARS!!!
I'm glad I really like watching informative videos like this one, cuz 1, damn I've always noticed B's importance but didn't know it was THAT important, and 2ndly, damn I really didn't know law was the best at clearing, even tho I knew having body count, 2nd wind and bombs were pretty damn good, thinking he was maybe 3rd or 4th, but I didn't know he was the best move-wise lol. Glad I'm a law main, thx Freeze :) !
You should do more of these videos. Learned a lot and I’ve been playing for honor since launch.
For the Roman bois:
Glad can do 4 lights, heavy, skewer, immediately dodge cancel with dash light in whatever direction the next minion is and repeat. It is actually very useful and can be used to clear pikemen if u sub the 4 lights and heavy for 2 heavies.
For cent, try starting the chain with a sprint attack and then u can infinite combo the minions (punch, light, heavy, punch etc) as long as they are packed close enough. If ur punch misses then chain will stop. But I prefer doing that to the zone since zone will randomly completely miss and you can’t feint it
Really great stuff man. This is my favourite kind of content.
For PK, doing light>heavy works really well. It's like a poor man's zone with lower stamina cost.
For Orochi I would like to say that light light side heavy into dash light is somewhat okay when it comes to clearing
Nobody gonna talk about that spin? 14:30
Mate, you did an amazing work! It was a really creative and useful idea
I’d consider bp another top tier in the minion lane because of his heavy chain which drains less stamina than zones not to mention if he is fighting someone he can use bulwark counter which will kill the minions around him.
Zhanhu can sustain fights in the lane, but also minion clear. Two feats can do the work to help, the first one being fast recovery, and the better one being nukekubi.
It seems that Zhanhu can be efficient at holding a side point ir clearing the lane, depending of your choice of feats.
Depending of if you take Bounty Hunter and Nukekubi, or the "projectile only" kit, you litterally change your role in the game, with one character.
Also, some other stuff with Zh:
- First, doing a running attack to zone seems to be the best first option
- And with Nukekubi, you can completely rely on your zone afterwards, indeed. With the hitboxes of the zone and the little recovery, the minions don't even have the time to hit you before you throw another zone. With hopes that the hitboxes of Zh's attacks will become more consistent with the updates, there are chances that Zh is a possible point holder, but way more of a mid clearer, with an at least efficient clear ability.
12:01 Try Zhanhu with the Stamina regen on hit feat and Zone away in the minion lane maybe?
wasting your third feat slot to become ok at clearing for only half the match doesn't seem like a smart decision
@@anemone3777 yeah well, his other t3 feats suck too. I mean, I know nukebui is pretty useless, but longbow is a meme feat and his more dmg when on fire is a wasted feat too.
@@jackworthing7780 better than nukekubi. At least you can hit someone in recovery with the bow or get a clutch kil with fiery breath. Nukekubi is only making you marginally better at something that you will only have to do in a clutch and you are already ok at anyway.
Man I miss those minion killing animations.They were so fun and unique.I wish there was maybe a mode or option to enable them again.If only
Zhanhu's running heavy -> zone -> forward dodge light -> zone -> left heavy finisher can be useful for occasional clear if Tireless T1 is opened, as it uses almost full stamina bar but without putting them OOS yet.
I feel like a good portion of freeze videos are born from ignorant team mates.
Yes leave clearing to the designated clearer. If there's a nobu getting ganked at the enemy spawn, I'm sure as hell going to try and clear with nuxia to save us from braking
"Lawbringer and Kensei are the undisputed kings of minion clearing"
Valk with wide sweeping side heavies and zone with a fire flask: Am I a joke to you?
thanks for your work freeze.
It’s good to see that even the minions are taking the Coronavirus seriously, as we see in the thumbnail.
For Highlander, it’s a lot easier if you enter guard mode and then zone, it gives you the ability to control the direction you spin, but obviously there’s an issue if an enemy is too close to the lane.
Good stuff my guy you were right I definitely learned a lot here. I think a video explaining different characters' roles in dominion would be nice (I for one thought that raider and jj were meant in mid, but evidently not :P )
Hitokiri does have nukebi and regen. Her zone clears wide chunks and the infinite chain whatever remains. Regen gives her sustain.
Also has heal on block like you said (t3 with nukebi) and the t1 sta regen feat. So various combinations are available.
So she can do the job and hold her own against challengers. Not claiming it's an ideal use of the character but with feats she's really strong at it.
tiandi has one more "decent" option for stragglers or for clumps of 5-8
its locked on side light into side dodge recovery cancel with side dodge light into side light finisher.
first side light can hit 2 minions pretty often, dodge side light and finisher side light 1-2 minions.
its good to use when you have less than 50% stamina (so zone would put you oos) but you still want to finish a few last minions real quick
I think a good idea would to have officers 2 or 4 from breach to push the lane and you can send them to different zones to hold or push. And you get them by killing hero’s the way you active them is you interactive with a officer from the spawning point.
Hey freeze... Pk's most efficient minion killing combo is Light into heavy, the heavy come from the side and have a pretty generous hitbox aswell, and because of the rework on some of her recoveries, you can go back to your starting light (wich have a very nice hitbox) much quicker.
also... im not an orochi main, but i like to go into guard mode and spam sidelights and when hitting the last light in the combo, i usually continue my combo with dash attacks to keep a non-stop minion clearing combo... as long as my stamina let me.
Great Video!
I'm sure you already know, but hitokiri lock on lights are faster than out of lock heavies, because of the weird recoveries, on top of that if a minion hits your guard after a light finisher it will cancel the recovery and create a mini infinite light chain.
if you play glad, you can clear minions slightly faster if you lock on and use the top light chain only since they are his fastest lights
3:36 T-Pose!
Great work, as always.
With orochi I just locked side light chain cancel recovery with a dodge light attack and do that infinitly it works well when you are alone there but suicidal if you lock onto someone by accident
You make dom games sound extremely Important when it’s really just a savage killing lol though this video is very helpful not only for actual of my games but you help me realize this game isn’t just teaming
Truly a helpful video
Never knew there was so much nuance to mid clear, damn. Also, shout out to my team mates who, regardelss of who they may be, always decide to leave the mid clear to me whenever I pick Glad.
16:20 Those animations are beautiful
my god, there's actually a lot more tactic to this than I would've thought
Shugoki’s zone into unblock able heavy has pretty good minion clear, plus he can us his grab on a minion to regain his stamina making him much better than he seems in this vid.
another fun thing in minion lane is to time a superior block light (like HL or valk) off an external minion attack to make the light unblockable
I feel characters like Zhanhu and Raider should clear mid for the sake of clearing mid. If you don't control mid, then your mid guy is either dead, busy in a team fight, or not doing his job. In any of these scenarios, mid should be cleared at least so that the enemy doesn't have control, robbing them of those extra points. After breaking the line and leaving the rest to your soldiers, go back to your job.
Warden hidden minion clearing animation 14:29
I wish I had one of those teams where characters suitable for clearing occasionally visited the minion lane. But ever since my circle of friends gave up on GLORIOUS MELEE COMBAT for Destiny, I only really get random teams that'll leave the minions to me playing Gladiator, for some reason. Probably because most people (myself included) underestimate how many points there are in the lane. It'd be nice if the entire playerbase could watch this video so they'd know who among them really needs to stick around at the lane.
Very casual player but late game when I have 4th feat I find it pretty comfy to drop by the minion lane as Shinobi, since it has almost the same recovery as body count, and two well placed zone attacks can sweep most of an enemy held B.
Minor correction, haymaker does do damage against minions, but all of the “fast” hits (Glad’s dodge punch, Cent’s kick) don’t do enough damage to kill a minion in a single hit
Thank you freeze very cool.
Actually for zhanhu, I feel like he is really good for minion clearing with certain feats. Concerning his feats, I feel like the fire feats can be hit or miss due to me playing close to enemies. I run fast recovery, winners advantage, nukekubi and last laugh. With the nukekubi and fast recovery, it helps with the minion clearing and helps when being stuck with his stam drain from getting parried on his zone and side dash attacks. I feel like playing against turtles and antiganks that those feats help more in the dominion playlist.
Shaolin with stamina on hit doing a heavy light loop unlocked does amazing
cant orochi just lock on and do side lights, then cancel his recovery with a side dodge attack and keep going?
Exactly :)
Even so the hitboxes aren't that great at sweeping multiple minions like other characters
@@nikkyoren well i usually get alteast more than 2 every side light that i do, that is if they are close to eachother but i get your point
I hate when my team obligates me to clear minions as glad because they seem to have forgotten about the B point, just let me toestab someone in parry animation please.
Orochi does have good minion killing potential: lock on and use 3 light attacks, cancel the recovery of that combo into a dodge attack, attack 2 more times, dodge attack, and repeat until it's clear.
Zhans Nukekubi 3rd feat allows him to clear mid so easily with his zone->dodge attack repeat. He contantly gains stamina from every minion hit
Shaman clearing tip-
Lock on and light, light, heavy, bleed repeat. Can easily get through a line in a few seconds and gain health\stam on bleed attack
Can you do a video about each character specific role in dominion? (Love your work)
Zanhu has a feat that restores stamina for a hit or kill or something, so he gets basically infinite stamina when clearing
I tried focusing on centre lain and I carried, you also get your feats so fast
Very good video, sometimes i wonder how it would be cool if most players knew how to play(meaning ganking, roaming, mid control etc) Dominion, but it's getting better every season(at least at rep 100+ most people knows these stuff).
When I play a character meant for clearing mid I always get someone run up and start killing minions I heal with, but the moment I switch to assassin for the next match the whole team loses interest in the minion lane and ignore it.
At this point, I feel like I've confidently mastered your intro. It's so damn catchy lol howsitgoin'vrybody. Btw I'm not making fun of you
Thanks freeze ! :)
Since they improved Orochi's hitbox on side lights I believe it's quicker to kill minions with a triple side light combo then recovery cancel into dodge light, then again 2 lights, dodge recovery and repeat. It's not as stamina intensive as zone and let's you clear the mid if you really need to
Of course he's still pretty shit at clearing mid
I’m curious do you have a video based on the jobs of each character and why they do and if it should be placed in game?
Thanks !! My communitie will finally better understand the interest of minions. You forgot mention infinite combo of Orochi on minions.
Orochi's zone clear is actually pretty decent if you spam side lights while locked. They hit three minions at max (which is meh), but 466ms light ftw
You gotta love the minions. Always willing to die for the cause.
Finally a video i can show to my friends so they dont fcking clear minions when im at mid anyways blees you freeze
Orochi is alright if you are locked on and use your side lights then cancel them into dash lights
Hey freeze, kind of off topic but could you cover how you can backdodge jjs unblockables and avoid his gaurdbreak?
Freeze I agree on all of this but Orochi. You can infinite chain the triple light combo with a dodge attack canceling the recovery. Gr8 waveclear.
Shaman's clear is pretty decent aswell, you just have to be locked in. Dodge attack into left heavy into bleed into dodge attack and repeat. It's a fast clear if your mid laner has to rotate for healing.
Is that a “character role in 4v4s” video coming up ?
I created a strat for my team back in the day that pushed for middle lane control. Explains why our team won even if we only got like 6 kills to our 20+ deaths... I love beating a 4 gank squad team.
Can you do a video on when yo parry and when to bulwark counter with Black prior? I would appreciate that :D
I havent played zerk in a while but wasnt his "best clear" dodge attack-heavy-dodge attack-heavy infinite,you could chain the dodge recovery cancel, since hitting minions was counted as a whiff.
a raider 3 heavy chain clears out the minion lane nicely
Zhanzu with Stamina feats is always at full stamina, but, at the cost of his fire feats. I myself use him with stamina feats and last laugh, because no one is used to it. Ez to get 4th feat, so even if I die on mid, as long as it's not an execution, it's still beneficial to my team