I pull my 7500 lb camper through the Colorado Rockies with my 2020 Ram 2500 diesel. Plenty of power and just love the engine brake. It takes all the stress out of the long steep descents. For the uphill, I simply pre-shift down (gear limiter) to 5th before the lugging. I’ve heard it is easier on the transmission as well. Thank you for the video. Cheers from Colorado.
There's a name from the past :). Glad the Cummins is treating you well. We just got a new Ford 6.7 and are super happy with it in the Colorado mountains as well. Hope all is going well!
@@larry6347Also towing a 7500lb TT. The Ford has been awesome, although we've really only tackled one pass (Monarch) both ways. The truck rarely shifts out of 10th. On Monarch, it shifted down to 8th on the uphill side and down to 4th on the downhill side with the EB.
I have a 2021 Ram 2500 and have been pulling a 14-16k trailers works amazing. I’ve been traveling hwy40 across the states and have noticed a huge difference between GM, Ford and Ram. Ram trucks are noticeably pulling more trailers than either of the others. I have a had GM trucks for years but the Ram is a great truck pulling. Happy so far great vid
I still think there is a market spot for the Cummins (so). For someone who only tows or hauls part time but still wants to do it with a diesel. Or are only towing medium loads such as boats. The Cummins SO is a good motor to consider. They get good mileage and make respectable power. If your towing heavy equipment or equivalent. The Cummins HO would be a better choice but it will get 2-3 miles less per gallon. Even though Ford and Chevy are making more power. I still like the advantages Cummins has, especially in terms of simplicity. In the long run you have less injectors, less valve components, just easier to work on in some ways and less things to replace.
Just want to say thank you very much for making your videos. I recently got a SO 2500 Ram and I watched every review you made of the big three. Learned a lot about the pros and cons of the various engines. I got the Ram because it was a confluence of engine, features, and price. I think all three HDs have their pros and cons.
Can't go wrong with a Cummins or Powerstroke. I own a Ford myself but the hard truth is they all will do what you need them too and long as you keep good maintenance on them, they should last a long time. Good fuel, good oil and change your fuel filters. No reason half a million KM without major work. Anything mechanical can fail and will eventually.
@@Talon1983 No, pretty sure they're talking about the Cummins. Ford still uses a CP4.2, Cummins used them for 2019-2020. 2021 Cummins went back to a CP3. Ram also has a recall. They're changing out the CP4 for the CP3. Ford cannot do that. CP3 doesn't fit in place of the CP4 on the Powerstroke
Don't think the 2500 is necessarily the right home for the Cummins which is seriously heavy piece of compacted graphite iron (1000 lbs +) which puts the 2500's payload in the 1/2 ton range. Factor in tongue weight, gear, passengers etc and there's not too much left over- think the 3500 is the better choice for hauling/towing. I would disagree some about the Ford's transmission being the edge going uphill. It helped to be sure but the standard Power Stroke's 105 more horsepower and 200 lb/ft more torque didn't hurt either. I thought the SO Cummins acquitted itself pretty well- it's a rocket compared to the diesels I drove years ago- iirc the original Dodge Ram Cummins had 160hp and 400 lb/ft torque and Fords weren't much better. The SO Cummins wasn't the quickest but it got the job done and it did a much better job going down hill. The HO Ram doesn't make the biggest numbers either and its Aisin tranny has only six gears but there must be a reason most of the hotshot drivers I see are driving them.
the 3500 HO cummins is a very very solid unit. and yes the powerstroke does have more power but I think the gearing also hurt the cummins. But I completely agree with you that the 2500 platform is a tuff place for a 1000lbs + engine.
You see a lot of hot shot drivers with Rams because you can get them for less money than the Ford and they have plenty available at dealers. Ford is the opposite; they're in high demand and dealers know it. If you can find one for sale at a dealer they're not budging on the prices. Same for the GM trucks which are also in high demand.
@@khakiswagthey are all in high demand. I got my 2022 fast at 4.5 months. RAM had 2023 orders closed in March and pushed later orders to 2024 model year due to backlog. I also don't think RAM is the cheapest at all. Chevy's new low and finish is the cheapest by thousands compared to RAM.
Personally, I will sacrifice some acceleration and speed on uphill grades for the confidence that routine maintenance will allow the engine to easily last over a half million miles. And I'm not convinced the higher speed capability is always a good thing...here in Wyoming, we're seeing a lot of Fords with trailers in the ditches because they think because they CAN pull a hill at 80, they SHOULD.
Agreed for someone who is looking to own a truck for it's whole life towing performance is not the only factor to be considered. the cummins engine is by far the best engine in the segment
ok but ford engines end up in dealers most of the time according to everyone here on YT because of fleet vehicle maintenance negligence. Nothing to do with the engine itself, but the operator/drivers carelesness. That said, dont forget about a decent transmission to pair with your half a million mile wishlist. I wont even mention looks..who cares about looks.
Ford has done a great job with their 6.7 PSD. Ford has to get bonus points for engineering and manufacturing their own diesel engine and transmission. Like Apple, designing everything in house gives you an advantage. The engine and transmission were literally made to work together since it's all Ford. Unlike Ram who has to make a Cummins engine play nicely with a Aisin transmission using FCA software.
Cummins has more experience than any other diesel manufacturer in the world. Ram could build their own but they are smart enough to put their money in a company no auto manufacturer engineers can top.
Thanks for doing these truck test for us I live in Western Australia, I have 3rd gen 2500 Ram and looking at getting a new truck soon thanks again for all the info
Ram exhaust brake is off the chain 2021 3500 HO Aison owner 30 psi boost leaf spring truck 12 inch screen all leather Laramie. I have pulled 30,000 pounds and no drop up or down hills much in speed the only thing is the fuel milage as soon as you hook a trailer on it. I get 20 ish mpg normally but with a couple thousand pound trailer bamm 12 mpg. My Hemi Power wagon got 11Mpg going down hill. I do have to say the boost on the Ram is a little sketchy in the rain, it piles on like the nitrous on my 66 Chevelle super sport
I have a 2022 CCLB 4x4 SRW HO Aisin 3.73. I would be interested in you doing the exact same test, but with my configuration and compare the SO setup to the HO setup. My questions: 1) I agree that a 6 speed does have gearing limits, but does the increased HO torque eliminate them? 2) Does the Aisin and 68 have different gearing and if so does that hurt or help in any way? 3) Gas mileage comparison. 4) Diesel World magazine a couple issues back stated the Aisin is the best towing transmission. Do you agree?
I think in my 3500 dually a 4:10 was an option, in fact my cousin claims to have this gear. I love the exhaust break. So impressed with that. Great video. You didn't mention the Aisin transmission, why? Plus automatic leveling in which I have. It's an option but I love that option.
Thanks, I didn't know that. I heard the Dodge transmission is a good one but the Aisin is a REALLY good 6 speed transmission. I would love to mate the 6.7 HO Dodge with an allison transmission.
The issue with the 6 gears has everything to do with usable RPM. The Powerstroke has 1000 RPM to tap into. The Cummins just doesn’t have that available, so there was no way for it to downshift again. Even with the older 6speed 6R140 Ford transmission the Powerstroke would’ve climbed that hill with ease. I don’t know if it would’ve made use of 4th gear in that same scenario, but it would’ve had the option because it can rev higher than the Cummins.
This might be a hot take, I believe the Ram 2500 models are behind ford and Chevy. The SO Cummins makes the least amount of power, and Ram only becomes competitive with its HO 3500 model with the AISIN, where it starts to make more power than the Chevys and is a lot more competitive with Ford. I’m a Ram fanboy so it pains me to say it, but a new transmission and maybe even a new update to the Cummins motor is probably needed to keep Ram in this race. The SO is just underpowered compared to others making the 2500 (with coil springs) a boneheaded play. These 6th gen rams better come soon and with a big upgrade
I also like RAM trucks and think the Cummins is a very strong engine but I agree. this towing test was a little bit of a wake up call to me. the F250 platform is a much stronger truck at the moment then the RAM 2500 truck and I imagine the 3500's are much the same.
The Cummins also gets by far and away the best fuel mileage, easiest to work on, and if you delete/modify it’s the best platform. These things don’t matter to most people besides maybe MPG but they do matter to a lot of people.
The Cummins also gets by far and away the best fuel mileage, easiest to work on, and if you delete/modify it’s the best platform. These things don’t matter to most people besides maybe MPG but they do matter to a lot of people.
I would always stick with an inline 6 diesel. Regardless of performance, V8 diesels have more issues. With all that said, Ram has some catching up to do in the transmission department for sure! Ram also needs to truly upgrade their HD lineup.
I just let my 5.9 pull at its sweet spot 1750/1800. I think that is max torque RPM, pretty sure. It has a 48RE and if I have to slow down to let it drop to third and pull at it's favorite RPM, so be it. Thats why there is a truck lane. But I tell you. IT has to be one steep ass hill to pull that Cummins back to third gear ! Yeah I'll keep my Cummins. Cool videos Alex ! Liked and subscribed.
Bottom end is good but you'll lift your head on a 75hp tune, stock it will overheat your number 6 cylinder, it will swallow its own grid heater bolt and self distruct and not to mention the transmission is made of cardboard
You do a great job!!! We run a small fleet and have had ford, cummings and dura that tow 25-32000 weight 5-6 days per week at 6-8000 miles per month each. 1. Ford was nothing but problems. Uncomfortable and cheaper interior. Manual Locking Hubs may be durable, but are from the 1970s. 2. Cummings had best torque but had issues in other areas. Rearends are crap. Major problems here!!! 3. Dura, Best driving and best drive train IMHO. Cummings and Dura best towing. Based on our fleet experience and IMHO!!
Towing is towing, no one is drag racing this beast. The BEST feature by far is the Exhaust Brake. There is an old saying "what goes up must come down" and having the excellent exhaust brake on this unit makes life so much easier when towing down hill. Taking a few extra minutes going up hill is not a problem. What is a problem , is not being able to slow the load down when heading down a steep grade. This is where this truck excels. Being able to use minimal breaking applications will definitely make for a much safer and enjoyable ride. 👍🏼👍🏼
Honestly I love the Powerstroke engines and I love my F250, but I will always be a fanboy of straight piped Cummins trucks! They have the best sounding exhaust brake I’ve ever heard, especially when paired with a 5” down-pipe back exhaust. 😁
And what truck do you own Alex? If I am owning a serious tow vehicle it will be a Cummins with the HO package and 4.10 gears. It’s not the swiftest but it’s reliable as the Sun coming up everyday.
The very last thing a fiat/peugeot is , reliable. The engine might be, but that engine will be wrapped in a mexico built fiat POS with a toyota transmission.
It's not all about power and speed. Id much rather have good mileage and reliability. Ram and Chevy stopped using the CP4 for a reason. Ford should follow suit. Id much rather have the Cummins over a Powerstroke.
68 MPH is pretty dang good up hill with that weight! I normally keep speed at 65 or under. How come you didn't just drop the gear to 4th manually? There are other gears available, even if it didn't downshift automatically.
That PowerStroke is beast mode and much higher HP and torque, in addition to the transmission issue. So for raw HP/Torque and speed in pulling power, the PS and Duramax will win every time. That being said, I have my own reasons for the Ram. All these brands have their strong points and weak points. We are comparing awesome to awesome to awesome in this class in my opinion. Very good and informative video. Thank you! Love your perspective and style of reviewing.
Both of the engines tested here really come alive when you add a tune and lose some of that factory junk. Not that difficult to get either of these trucks up close to 600hp.
Wow, what a great video, finding the root cause of the RAM 2500 lack of hill performance as the fault of the 6-speed transmission. Also, would the RAM 2500 have an advantage over the F250 4x4 versus an F250 Fx4 ?
Question for you, would the Cummins exhaust brake still be as effective with the 10 speed or would you lose some on the braking with more down shifts. I feel that’s a benefit to the 6 speed is longer gears to hold back longer. I have the 2014 3500 w/ aisin pulling a 11000 pound trailer and the aggressive exhaust is why I went with the Cummins.
the fact that the ford goes up the hill in 8th gear at 2000rpm at mid boost pressure with a 3.31 rear gearing should tell us that with a 10 speed it is ininfluent what rear gearing are mounted it has so much gears to choose from and find the right spot
Hi Alex, thanks for all your work, I think it would great if you could review the Nissan 5.6 VK engin that's in the Patrol/Armada, and Titan. It has comparable power to you PW but very different design.
No not at all. I love my power wagon. I think it's such an incredible truck. driving it in the Canadian winters is a blessing. I think having a diesel would be awesome but I didn't really need it. and the emission crap is just something I don't need to worry about lol
@@TheGettyAdventures I got a 17 Power Wagon and absolutely love it. The 66rfe kind of annoys me sometimes but for the most part I love the truck. Big fan of the 6.4 hemi.
Ram Ho diesel vs the Ram Power Wagon is like apples to oranges, they are not the same. my 3500 Ram HO diesel is quicker in 0-60 than 6.4 hemi and is 2000 pounds heavier. But I wouldn't take the 3500 in the mud. The Power Wagon thrived in the mud and nasty stuff disconnection sway bars locking front and rear the 4:10 gears 12000 lbs winch from the factory. And the downhill decent on the Power Wagon is killer you can adjust it to 1/2 a mile an hour. For all the off-road tricks it does it gives up a lot in payload. Now the 3500 will tow your 40,000 pounds down the pavement very easily, so it is really what you are looking for in a truck
I have a 2022 Ram Cummins 2500 that we use to tow a 11000 5th wheel. I have a couple of questions. Should I tow in 5th gear or just let tow haul pick the gear? Also, when driving without the trailer driving a 60 mph does it hurt emission running at the lower RPMs?
So if i'm understanding this correctly , dodge needs to put a lower gear rear end and make it available Also to improve their transmission make it heavier duty , And Make It at least a 10 speed?
I am in the market for a truck. I've own nothing but rams but I am considering a Ford 250. Mainly because of the tranny, seats were comfy even in lower trims. I would gamble on the fuel pump on the ford and would buy some warranty for that. The springs as well. I was looking at getting a gasser because would be towing around 9500lbs. When i looked at the trim level in the ford {xlt,fx4}. The price was almost the same between the two. That being said I'd stick with diesel.The gas engines in the HD's are not exactly bullet proof nowadays so it's a real crap shoot.
I am a Cummins fan all the way but you need to understand it is down on power and it has a very narrow powerband so adding a 10 speed will not make it as fast as the Powerstroke. It is an industrial design made for low speed work; not going fast. I am impressed with it's power and most importantly, it's longevity. In the end a 10 speed will help, but my feeling is that alone will not make it a match to the Powerstroke.
Did ram stop offering the 4.10 paired with the Cummins? I swear to God you can build a one time with that combo on the website. And I’m pretty sure I’ve seen those on the lot before too. At least that’s what they say on the sticker
The biggest issue with the Cummins is that it’s in a Chrysler product. Cummins would be wise to follow Ford’s example and not allow their good product to be combined with a bad one.
I think the Cummins would be too weak for 331 or 355. ouuld be getting close to some half ton towing numbers on some trucks. Now 410? Might REALLY pair well with the Cummins chill low end pulling power.
I have a 2019 Ram 1500 Classic with a 5.7 liter engine. 8 speed transmission. Shouldn’t the Cummins have the 8 speed transmission also? If I would upgrade to the Ram 2500, I would like a stronger transmission that the 6 speed. I’m no mechanic just curious.👍🏾
Is most situations that HP8 in the 1500 is a better transmission that the 68RFE. The 68RFE is a beefed up 545RFE. It's really not a great trans by any standard
Clearly the bias is for the Ram. The performance of the Ford blows the Ram out of the water. Not the end of the world for the Ram fans…😂 Less squat, less speed, less power up hill lots more excuses though for the Ram.
I agree I ran Ram cummins for years went to powerstrokes in 17 and will not go back. Even when the 17s had 6 speed transmissions they still blew away my 16 HO cummins.
Ford does not option a 3.73 with the diesel. That's only available with the 6.7 in a F350 chassis cab or with the gas engines in the pickups. The 3.31 will not keep up with a 4.10 in an HO but the 3.55 surpasses it by a long shot. If it was 4.10 to 4.10 there is no comparison. At 1900rpm that ford is making more than 1000lbft. This Cummins at 2200rpm is right around 800lbft. Thats a sizeable difference, not so much after the 3.31 vs 3.73 axle. Even the HO Cummins with a 3.73 will be on par with the powerstroke. I've looked at DRW in the last few weeks. The smaller cab, smaller overall length, 2011 design, 6 speed, all hold me back from making the change. Only part that is appealing is the $16k difference in price(F350 XLT is 96k, Ram Big Horn is 80k) but that 16k makes up for a lot of differences, even with the HO it's not a comparison
@brianthompson9485 yeah in Southern Ontario(2hrs from Detroit) a decently optioned 2024 F350 SRW crewcab LB with the 7.3 is $84k before tax add $11k for SO 6.7l and $14k for the HO. My 2019 Lariat ultimate was $90 sticker, can't get an XLT for that now.
If they offered full power in the 2500, the 6 sp would have been hidden more. I dont believe the ram needs a 10sp, probably an 8 would be perfect with the lower rpms.
@@Boudreaux911 TFL compared all 3 already. Ram with the High Output Cummins was last. Ford has the highest numbers to the ground with their High Output Powerstroke. Ram advertises higher numbers but Duramax has more HP and TQ to the ground. Last is the Cummins
The Cummins engine producing torque at lower end better than powerstroke isn’t fact anymore like it used to be, the long connecting rods because of shallower steel pistons have become almost as long as Cummins connecting rods and now produce peak torque at 1600 rpm and peak hp at 2600 rpm vs Ram 1800 rpm peak torque and 2800 rpm peak horsepower, so it’s not really Cummins torque king anymore and as for reliability they’re very similar besides 22 Cummins blowing engines because of their pushrods rocker arm kits being cheaper metal.
@@ftbrip lol there was actually one built by Chevy converted from a gas engine back in the day the 6.2 but saying that about duramax and powerstroke is like saying the same thing about Cummins just cause they’re a straight 6 like the old Jeep straight six lol, saying stuff like that holds no water, I’m about actual performance and reliability which ford 6.7 powerstroke is now more powerful torqy and reliable than 22/23 6.7 Cummins in the real world
@@ftbrip lol because Cummins builds a 6.7 crate engine which Ram also happens to use. Just because a company builds a diesel engine specifically for their truck and don’t sell the to other companies as crate engines doesn’t mean it was originally gas lol show me the 6.7 gas that ford used to make that they supposedly turned into the 6.7 Powerstroke and same on duramax lol Like I said that was true of chevys first diesel engine back in the 90s or so, the 6.2 was literally a made over gas engine and it didn’t work Chevy and ford don’t use crate engines like Ram does, they build their own diesel engines like Cummins does, they just don’t build crate engines to sell to other companies like Cummins, but Cummins also doesn’t build trucks, they only build engines
Hes using a 2500 for comparison to the F250 and chevy 2500 to show you the difference between brands at the same level. A dually 3500 3500 is way different than a 2500 srw
LOL, preferred = cheaper to buy and the 68rfe is known to be a true pos just like the rest of the fiat/peugeot stuff. Or you could get your mexico built truck with a toyota tranny that's not much better.
If your looking for reliability and the best exhaust break out of the big 3 the Ram is the top choice. Fords have aluminum beer can frames that crunch when loaded up like a can! Look it up you will see. Power jokes also have aluminum beer can heads that warp and fail under heat and stress. Cummins has cast iron for the cylinder head.. AND a fully boxed steel frame. The only thing better on the new fords is the transmission...
@arod6789 keep telling yourself that I don't give a crap. Aluminum vs steel how much more is needed to be said. The Fords frame has bent and twisted from hauling basic stuff.
@@Antiliblife187 given your disdain for aluminum, shouldn't you be a big fan of the only engine that has steel pistons instead of that crappy Cummins with its aluminum junk pistons lol.
@AK_Ray almost every diesel engine has cast aluminum pistons jackass. That's a good material for pistons but for cylinder heads and frames and truck beds come on dude your ignorant.
Excellent intelligent information! I agree Dodge #1 transmission truck failure rate. Dodge Corporate 🔥 all there asses for selling shit 68RFE transmission. It's a no brainier! Ford 6.7 #1 in rear wheel power! Much better transmission too! Emissions that's another story! I'm good with my 5.9l with hy modified 48RE! No Smog
Dodge ? 🤣🤣 Dodge has got nothing to do with it. The last time I checked the last Dodge made Ram ( 3 rd Gen) left the production line 13 years ago. Production was moved from Dodge plants to ex Chrysler plants in 2010 when Ram became its own brand and manufacturer.
@@lrizo3841 Who makes the transmission? AISIN. Who makes the engine? Cummins. Pretty good duo but dodge makes little money on their diesel trucks compared to Ford and GM. Also everything around it blows and resale value doesnt lie
ya the 6 speed 68RFE is such an old unit. probably why Cummins can't up the power on the RAM 2500 platform because that transmission wouldn't be able to take the extra power. that's my guess anyways.
I don't believe you mentioned at any point in this video whether the ram was a Standard Output or a High Output. Now I know the RAM guys will know this info, but as a duramax man, I have no clue. Would love in your videos if you were clear about this, that "other" big truck channel is terrible for telling what the specs of the truck are that they are testing (your videos are much better IMO btw)
Nothing wrong with the Cummins engine, very solid unit. you don't need crazy top end power for towing but you do need a good driveline behind the engine which RAM currently does not have.
The Ram HD 5th gen was a lie. Essentially same powertrain, cab, etc. Just a face lift. The only Ram 2500 that makes any sense is a gas with the 8 speed- it keeps the payload high and the 8 speed is great. Other than that go GM / Ford or wait 5 years for them to update the ram.
I’m sure a 15-19 powerstroke with 6 speed would do better in towing too. Need to find one and run same test 😂. Them rams are junk when you compare to a Ford in my opinion 🤷🏼♀️
@@TheGettyAdventures I think with the rear axle ratio of the Ford actually giving an advantage to the RAM, it was an impressive loop by the F250 to beat the RAM and have noticeably better fuel economy as well. Higher towing + payload figures and the 6.7 Powerstroke is a reliable unit.
Ya I had 4.30 gears stock in my 450. When I went to 44” tires I went to 6.17. Now I would rip the ass out from under a ram 3500-5500 the ram is a joke. At 30k lbs total weight I don’t downshift at 70 mph on I40, I80… ever. The dodge has no HP. But what do I know I am just a class a driver. V8s are better with holding power than a 6. So hill climbed are not the trans but the lack of hp. That’s why the ford has more power everywhere. Don’t defend the dodge. The 3500 the ford is 2:1 stronger than the Chevy and dodge. It’s why I got shot with a ford when I am not driving an 18 wheeler.
After capability my biggest concern is dependability. Nobody cares if it's faster if it has to head to the shop frequently. We bought dozens of f250's for our fleet in 2020. About 80% of these had engine failure and a total rebuild before 60K. Horrible purchase.
There's no reason to get a 2500 just go for the 3500 HO dually or single which ever you need or want and your good my 21 dually tow between 16k and 22k 3 to 4 days a week for work and all I have is a tuner banks cold air and full exhaust and intercooler with the cold and hot side pipes and it did just fine before any upgrades I just can't leave nothing alone and like modifying weverything I own but I would be just fine stock also
Wrong, A 10 speed might help the Cummins but the power stroke has a much wider power band, higher redline and massive low end torque that comes in at a lower RPM then the Cummins. Cummins is only great because of the name and a name doesn’t mean it’s the best. It’s just like hemi, great name, makes a lot of power but crappy engine reliability. Also, engines aside, ford builds a better rest of the truck as well and has always been king of transmission mapping which is the way the transmission selects the right gear for the situation.
Oh please. Ford diesel has had poor track record and was a joke for decades. In terms of longevity, Cummins is King. Cummins absolutely dominates in tractor pulling, and drag racing because they’re the stronger engine.
@@aaronkelley8909Cummins had a 12 year head start on the Duramax and 22 years on the 6.7 Powerstroke. Duramax aftermarket has stepped up in a big way. You have competitive sled trucks and record setting drag racing trucks and rails. Powerstroke isn't there yet but it's up and coming
@@countcuda70 not really because of that. The Cummins rotating assembly has more bearings and main caps. It’s just a stronger engine. The cylinder head is steel on the Cummins. The heads on the Duramax and Powerstroke are aluminum.
@@aaronkelley8909 Yes, it's really because of that. You didn't listen to what I said. I'm aware of the heads on them. Aftermarket for the Duramax has stepped up in a big way. There's 3500+ HP Duramax powered trucks. Cummins isn't alone in the performance industry anymore.
Dude! How you can say the RAM that the engine is getting “lugged down”, when it was at 2,000 RPM?!?!? Isn’t the peak torque for the Standard Output RAM at 1,700 RPM? You were dead nuts on it and not lugging it at say 1,300 RPM. I like your videos and like you but can’t be that much of a Fan Boy for RAM.
Ford is not better. Use your brain. Ram has a lower raited power for the 2500, Ford is full power in everything. Ford has also taken the title of king of recalls. Jd power has dodge at 1, ram at 2, an d Ford is all the way down at 20 and gm is worse yet. The Ford interior looks like you're sitting in a plastic hot wheels truck. Gm has a larger bore than stroke by a lot, the Ford also had a larger bore than stroke, the Cummins has a longer stroke. It gets more power down low and gives way better fuel mileage. This example is obviously a little skewed because of the base power in the ram. The cummins is much more reliable and if you saw the pro rodeo circuit, you'd see more rams than ford and gm combined. When you're running constantly to get to the next rodeo and have your horses relying on you to keep them out of the trailer, you'll choose a Cummins. Ford and gm also use the same transmission. Gm is also owned by china and who wants anything to do with China. NOT to mention Ford just took the largest bailout in history of 9.8bil a few weeks ago and is breaking up the company. Because of the bail out, you'll still see the Ford name, but it's split up. If our government would have just let gm fail the first time around, no one would be in this situation. Supply in demand. Gm goes belly up, Ford and dodge get more customers and all of those plants stay in North America. Now all gm vehicles are made in China or a Chinese territory except the trucks, because the owners would actually look at that. So who's going to end up with Ford now?
@@caseyhorne6035 it's not even a Dodge anymore bud... it's a Ram and obviously you're a Ford fan boy. Thick skulled and oblivious to the fact that Cummins makes the best diesel engine in a pickup truck and Ram is the only one you can get it in. Fords will always be F.ound O.On R.oan D.ead. Junk end of discussion. More recalls recently than any other manufacturer.
Boost isn't a direct measurement of power. It's measuring restriction. Put better charge pipes, intercooler and heads on. Power will go up, bosst will come down
@@aaronkelley8909 Duramax is owned by GM. Built at Dmax LTD in Moraine Ohio. Since the first Duramax was built on 7/17/2000. Was never an Isuzu. Dmax was created from a 60/40 partnership between GM and Isuzu. Ford didn't design the 6.7L Powerstroke. AVL an Austrian design company did. Cummins wasn't alone either. Case help with the design.
@@aaronkelley8909 It also paved the way for Common Rail injection. Your reply is pretty stupid. Still made by GM. Transmission is also made by GM. What's Ram or should I say Stellantis make, the body. Everything else is from another company. Including Ram's good transmission from Japan. Nice try newbie
I pull my 7500 lb camper through the Colorado Rockies with my 2020 Ram 2500 diesel. Plenty of power and just love the engine brake. It takes all the stress out of the long steep descents. For the uphill, I simply pre-shift down (gear limiter) to 5th before the lugging. I’ve heard it is easier on the transmission as well. Thank you for the video. Cheers from Colorado.
There's a name from the past :). Glad the Cummins is treating you well. We just got a new Ford 6.7 and are super happy with it in the Colorado mountains as well. Hope all is going well!
Likewise. Doing well, thank you. What are you pulling with your ford?
@@larry6347Also towing a 7500lb TT. The Ford has been awesome, although we've really only tackled one pass (Monarch) both ways. The truck rarely shifts out of 10th. On Monarch, it shifted down to 8th on the uphill side and down to 4th on the downhill side with the EB.
I have a 2021 Ram 2500 and have been pulling a 14-16k trailers works amazing. I’ve been traveling hwy40 across the states and have noticed a huge difference between GM, Ford and Ram. Ram trucks are noticeably pulling more trailers than either of the others. I have a had GM trucks for years but the Ram is a great truck pulling. Happy so far great vid
Dealerships sell them cheaper than GM and Ford. That's why you see more of them pulling down the interstate.
Depends where you are. Some area's you see more of one or the other.
For the heavy loads I see Fords or Dodges and very few Chevys.
You don't have to pull a cab off of a Dodge to work on it
@@billmerriwether6359 No you pull the fuel cap off and push the rest of the fiat pos in the trash pile.
@@billmerriwether6359because it ain't t worth fixing, go get a Ford or Chevy
I still think there is a market spot for the Cummins (so). For someone who only tows or hauls part time but still wants to do it with a diesel. Or are only towing medium loads such as boats. The Cummins SO is a good motor to consider. They get good mileage and make respectable power.
If your towing heavy equipment or equivalent. The Cummins HO would be a better choice but it will get 2-3 miles less per gallon.
Even though Ford and Chevy are making more power. I still like the advantages Cummins has, especially in terms of simplicity. In the long run you have less injectors, less valve components, just easier to work on in some ways and less things to replace.
Good video. I have a 22 F350 tremor 6.7 powerstroke. Tows a 19k 5th wheel past 90k miles....not one problem. Great towing power!
Just want to say thank you very much for making your videos. I recently got a SO 2500 Ram and I watched every review you made of the big three. Learned a lot about the pros and cons of the various engines. I got the Ram because it was a confluence of engine, features, and price. I think all three HDs have their pros and cons.
I like all three diesels, each have their pros/cons.
I do prefer the ford truck over the ram. I drive the 17 f250, and love it.
Can't go wrong with a Cummins or Powerstroke.
I own a Ford myself but the hard truth is they all will do what you need them too and long as you keep good maintenance on them, they should last a long time.
Good fuel, good oil and change your fuel filters. No reason half a million KM without major work.
Anything mechanical can fail and will eventually.
You've mentioned it before but the long term reliability of the CP3 vs CP4.2 fuel pump deserves mention in this comparison.
If you put fuel additive in and change your filters the cp4 is reliable
@@robertkestner1713It's really not though. Watch the videos and talk with S&S. It's not a good injection pump
They changed back in 2021 just fyi that was only for the 2019-2020 then they realized the errors of their ways
@@HVTMuddvainthey changed the ford CP4? What did they change?
@@Talon1983 No, pretty sure they're talking about the Cummins. Ford still uses a CP4.2, Cummins used them for 2019-2020. 2021 Cummins went back to a CP3. Ram also has a recall. They're changing out the CP4 for the CP3. Ford cannot do that. CP3 doesn't fit in place of the CP4 on the Powerstroke
Don't think the 2500 is necessarily the right home for the Cummins which is seriously heavy piece of compacted graphite iron (1000 lbs +) which puts the 2500's payload in the 1/2 ton range. Factor in tongue weight, gear, passengers etc and there's not too much left over- think the 3500 is the better choice for hauling/towing. I would disagree some about the Ford's transmission being the edge going uphill. It helped to be sure but the standard Power Stroke's 105 more horsepower and 200 lb/ft more torque didn't hurt either. I thought the SO Cummins acquitted itself pretty well- it's a rocket compared to the diesels I drove years ago- iirc the original Dodge Ram Cummins had 160hp and 400 lb/ft torque and Fords weren't much better. The SO Cummins wasn't the quickest but it got the job done and it did a much better job going down hill. The HO Ram doesn't make the biggest numbers either and its Aisin tranny has only six gears but there must be a reason most of the hotshot drivers I see are driving them.
the 3500 HO cummins is a very very solid unit. and yes the powerstroke does have more power but I think the gearing also hurt the cummins. But I completely agree with you that the 2500 platform is a tuff place for a 1000lbs + engine.
You see a lot of hot shot drivers with Rams because you can get them for less money than the Ford and they have plenty available at dealers. Ford is the opposite; they're in high demand and dealers know it. If you can find one for sale at a dealer they're not budging on the prices. Same for the GM trucks which are also in high demand.
@@khakiswagthey are all in high demand. I got my 2022 fast at 4.5 months. RAM had 2023 orders closed in March and pushed later orders to 2024 model year due to backlog.
I also don't think RAM is the cheapest at all. Chevy's new low and finish is the cheapest by thousands compared to RAM.
@@gebertg you’re right. I forgot that Chevy is now the cheapest truck you can buy.
@@khakiswag yep, and they've done a nice job churching it up. Honestly, I'd buy the new chevy over the GM just because a similar truck is less $.
Personally, I will sacrifice some acceleration and speed on uphill grades for the confidence that routine maintenance will allow the engine to easily last over a half million miles. And I'm not convinced the higher speed capability is always a good thing...here in Wyoming, we're seeing a lot of Fords with trailers in the ditches because they think because they CAN pull a hill at 80, they SHOULD.
Agreed for someone who is looking to own a truck for it's whole life towing performance is not the only factor to be considered. the cummins engine is by far the best engine in the segment
ok but ford engines end up in dealers most of the time according to everyone here on YT because of fleet vehicle maintenance negligence. Nothing to do with the engine itself, but the operator/drivers carelesness. That said, dont forget about a decent transmission to pair with your half a million mile wishlist. I wont even mention looks..who cares about looks.
Ford has done a great job with their 6.7 PSD. Ford has to get bonus points for engineering and manufacturing their own diesel engine and transmission. Like Apple, designing everything in house gives you an advantage. The engine and transmission were literally made to work together since it's all Ford. Unlike Ram who has to make a Cummins engine play nicely with a Aisin transmission using FCA software.
Cummins has more experience than any other diesel manufacturer in the world. Ram could build their own but they are smart enough to put their money in a company no auto manufacturer engineers can top.
Thanks for doing these truck test for us I live in Western Australia, I have 3rd gen 2500 Ram and looking at getting a new truck soon thanks again for all the info
Ram exhaust brake is off the chain 2021 3500 HO Aison owner 30 psi boost leaf spring truck 12 inch screen all leather Laramie. I have pulled 30,000 pounds and no drop up or down hills much in speed the only thing is the fuel milage as soon as you hook a trailer on it. I get 20 ish mpg normally but with a couple thousand pound trailer bamm 12 mpg. My Hemi Power wagon got 11Mpg going down hill. I do have to say the boost on the Ram is a little sketchy in the rain, it piles on like the nitrous on my 66 Chevelle super sport
I own one, and I love its performance. I have our brands in my family, and honestly, this truck never failed me.
Not trying to win a race towing. The Cummins exhaust brake and reliability is unmatched.
I have a 2022 CCLB 4x4 SRW HO Aisin 3.73. I would be interested in you doing the exact same test, but with my configuration and compare the SO setup to the HO setup. My questions:
1) I agree that a 6 speed does have gearing limits, but does the increased HO torque eliminate them?
2) Does the Aisin and 68 have different gearing and if so does that hurt or help in any way?
3) Gas mileage comparison.
4) Diesel World magazine a couple issues back stated the Aisin is the best towing transmission. Do you agree?
I like the addition of 0-60 on screen time !
I think in my 3500 dually a 4:10 was an option, in fact my cousin claims to have this gear. I love the exhaust break. So impressed with that. Great video. You didn't mention the Aisin transmission, why? Plus automatic leveling in which I have. It's an option but I love that option.
Aisin transmission is only available in the 3500 platform. but yes the 3500's can get 4.10 gears which is a nice upgrade.
Thanks, I didn't know that. I heard the Dodge transmission is a good one but the Aisin is a REALLY good 6 speed transmission. I would love to mate the 6.7 HO Dodge with an allison transmission.
@@horsetrader1991 You can get up to 4.88 gears if you go with the 3500.
The issue with the 6 gears has everything to do with usable RPM. The Powerstroke has 1000 RPM to tap into. The Cummins just doesn’t have that available, so there was no way for it to downshift again. Even with the older 6speed 6R140 Ford transmission the Powerstroke would’ve climbed that hill with ease. I don’t know if it would’ve made use of 4th gear in that same scenario, but it would’ve had the option because it can rev higher than the Cummins.
This might be a hot take, I believe the Ram 2500 models are behind ford and Chevy. The SO Cummins makes the least amount of power, and Ram only becomes competitive with its HO 3500 model with the AISIN, where it starts to make more power than the Chevys and is a lot more competitive with Ford. I’m a Ram fanboy so it pains me to say it, but a new transmission and maybe even a new update to the Cummins motor is probably needed to keep Ram in this race. The SO is just underpowered compared to others making the 2500 (with coil springs) a boneheaded play. These 6th gen rams better come soon and with a big upgrade
I also like RAM trucks and think the Cummins is a very strong engine but I agree. this towing test was a little bit of a wake up call to me. the F250 platform is a much stronger truck at the moment then the RAM 2500 truck and I imagine the 3500's are much the same.
It’s just plain and simple, ram has fallen behind ford and Chevy. I think it’s more to it than just a transmission.
If you check around. You will find. The Duramax put more power to the ground then the High Output Cummins
The Cummins also gets by far and away the best fuel mileage, easiest to work on, and if you delete/modify it’s the best platform.
These things don’t matter to most people besides maybe MPG but they do matter to a lot of people.
The Cummins also gets by far and away the best fuel mileage, easiest to work on, and if you delete/modify it’s the best platform.
These things don’t matter to most people besides maybe MPG but they do matter to a lot of people.
I would always stick with an inline 6 diesel. Regardless of performance, V8 diesels have more issues. With all that said, Ram has some catching up to do in the transmission department for sure! Ram also needs to truly upgrade their HD lineup.
ya you can't beat an inline 6 diesel. by far the superiors engine design
@@TheGettyAdventures yessir! I've never driven a semi that didn't have an inline 6 diesel engine, under the hood.
@@BigBadJohnDiesel You're missing out. 3408 Cat is a monster
Just wondering where you are at in Canada, I’m from Quebec. Love your videos!
I just let my 5.9 pull at its sweet spot 1750/1800. I think that is max torque RPM, pretty sure. It has a 48RE and if I have to slow down to let it drop to third and pull at it's favorite RPM, so be it. Thats why there is a truck lane. But I tell you. IT has to be one steep ass hill to pull that Cummins back to third gear ! Yeah I'll keep my Cummins. Cool videos Alex ! Liked and subscribed.
I’ll say it again. I’ll take a six cylinder with 7 main bearings over any 8 cylinder with 5 main bearings.
It has to have more main bearings. The crank is longer. If not, some wouldn't have any support. A longer crank will flex more
@@countcuda70 kind of true but not really. The V8 has no choice but to share caps and bearings because of the location of the cylinders and rods.
@@aaronkelley8909 How's what I said not accurate? You just repeated what I already said
He is saying its way less wear per bearing set
Bottom end is good but you'll lift your head on a 75hp tune, stock it will overheat your number 6 cylinder, it will swallow its own grid heater bolt and
self distruct and not to mention the transmission is made of cardboard
You do a great job!!!
We run a small fleet and have had ford, cummings and dura that tow 25-32000 weight 5-6 days per week at 6-8000 miles per month each.
1. Ford was nothing but problems. Uncomfortable and cheaper interior. Manual Locking Hubs may be durable, but are from the 1970s.
2. Cummings had best torque but had issues in other areas. Rearends are crap. Major problems here!!!
3. Dura, Best driving and best drive train IMHO.
Cummings and Dura best towing.
Based on our fleet experience and IMHO!!
Towing is towing, no one is drag racing this beast. The BEST feature by far is the Exhaust Brake. There is an old saying "what goes up must come down" and having the excellent exhaust brake on this unit makes life so much easier when towing down hill. Taking a few extra minutes going up hill is not a problem. What is a problem , is not being able to slow the load down when heading down a steep grade. This is where this truck excels. Being able to use minimal breaking applications will definitely make for a much safer and enjoyable ride. 👍🏼👍🏼
Honestly I love the Powerstroke engines and I love my F250, but I will always be a fanboy of straight piped Cummins trucks! They have the best sounding exhaust brake I’ve ever heard, especially when paired with a 5” down-pipe back exhaust. 😁
Make a full service video for the ram 2500 Cummins!!!
we'll see about that!
And what truck do you own Alex? If I am owning a serious tow vehicle it will be a Cummins with the HO package and 4.10 gears. It’s not the swiftest but it’s reliable as the Sun coming up everyday.
The very last thing a fiat/peugeot is , reliable. The engine might be, but that engine will be wrapped in a mexico built fiat POS with a toyota transmission.
It's not all about power and speed. Id much rather have good mileage and reliability. Ram and Chevy stopped using the CP4 for a reason. Ford should follow suit. Id much rather have the Cummins over a Powerstroke.
68 MPH is pretty dang good up hill with that weight! I normally keep speed at 65 or under. How come you didn't just drop the gear to 4th manually? There are other gears available, even if it didn't downshift automatically.
It’s a test of the trucks performance and programming.
That PowerStroke is beast mode and much higher HP and torque, in addition to the transmission issue. So for raw HP/Torque and speed in pulling power, the PS and Duramax will win every time. That being said, I have my own reasons for the Ram. All these brands have their strong points and weak points. We are comparing awesome to awesome to awesome in this class in my opinion. Very good and informative video. Thank you! Love your perspective and style of reviewing.
Both of the engines tested here really come alive when you add a tune and lose some of that factory junk. Not that difficult to get either of these trucks up close to 600hp.
The high output would have been a much better comparison.
It would of been but I wanted to compare the the standard output engines on the 2500 platform and just see how they perform
Wow, what a great video, finding the root cause of the RAM 2500 lack of hill performance as the fault of the 6-speed transmission. Also, would the RAM 2500 have an advantage over the F250 4x4 versus an F250 Fx4 ?
Question for you, would the Cummins exhaust brake still be as effective with the 10 speed or would you lose some on the braking with more down shifts. I feel that’s a benefit to the 6 speed is longer gears to hold back longer. I have the 2014 3500 w/ aisin pulling a 11000 pound trailer and the aggressive exhaust is why I went with the Cummins.
the fact that the ford goes up the hill in 8th gear at 2000rpm at mid boost pressure with a 3.31 rear gearing should tell us that with a 10 speed it is ininfluent what rear gearing are mounted
it has so much gears to choose from and find the right spot
Hi Alex, thanks for all your work, I think it would great if you could review the Nissan 5.6 VK engin that's in the Patrol/Armada, and Titan. It has comparable power to you PW but very different design.
So after driving all these diesel trucks do you regret the power wagon at all?
Probably not, cheaper for him probably to have a power wagon and not worry about anything
No not at all. I love my power wagon. I think it's such an incredible truck. driving it in the Canadian winters is a blessing. I think having a diesel would be awesome but I didn't really need it. and the emission crap is just something I don't need to worry about lol
@@TheGettyAdventures I got a 17 Power Wagon and absolutely love it. The 66rfe kind of annoys me sometimes but for the most part I love the truck. Big fan of the 6.4 hemi.
Ram Ho diesel vs the Ram Power Wagon is like apples to oranges, they are not the same. my 3500 Ram HO diesel is quicker in 0-60 than 6.4 hemi and is 2000 pounds heavier. But I wouldn't take the 3500 in the mud. The Power Wagon thrived in the mud and nasty stuff disconnection sway bars locking front and rear the 4:10 gears 12000 lbs winch from the factory. And the downhill decent on the Power Wagon is killer you can adjust it to 1/2 a mile an hour. For all the off-road tricks it does it gives up a lot in payload. Now the 3500 will tow your 40,000 pounds down the pavement very easily, so it is really what you are looking for in a truck
I have a 2022 Ram Cummins 2500 that we use to tow a 11000 5th wheel. I have a couple of questions. Should I tow in 5th gear or just let tow haul pick the gear? Also, when driving without the trailer driving a 60 mph does it hurt emission running at the lower RPMs?
So if i'm understanding this correctly , dodge needs to put a lower gear rear end and make it available Also to improve their transmission make it heavier duty , And
Make It at least a 10 speed?
I am in the market for a truck. I've own nothing but rams but I am considering a Ford 250. Mainly because of the tranny, seats were comfy even in lower trims. I would gamble on the fuel pump on the ford and would buy some warranty for that. The springs as well. I was looking at getting a gasser because would be towing around 9500lbs. When i looked at the trim level in the ford {xlt,fx4}. The price was almost the same between the two. That being said I'd stick with diesel.The gas engines in the HD's are not exactly bullet proof nowadays so it's a real crap shoot.
The dcr fuel pump is the answer the the cp4 now
@@alextrainor2552 Thanks did not that
I am a Cummins fan all the way but you need to understand it is down on power and it has a very narrow powerband so adding a 10 speed will not make it as fast as the Powerstroke. It is an industrial design made for low speed work; not going fast. I am impressed with it's power and most importantly, it's longevity. In the end a 10 speed will help, but my feeling is that alone will not make it a match to the Powerstroke.
Do you think it would be a different story if the Cummins was a High Output that was towing 14,000 pounds in this video?
Yeh and put the HO in the ford, it would be different the Ford would blow away the fiat even more.
Did ram stop offering the 4.10 paired with the Cummins? I swear to God you can build a one time with that combo on the website. And I’m pretty sure I’ve seen those on the lot before too. At least that’s what they say on the sticker
The biggest issue with the Cummins is that it’s in a Chrysler product. Cummins would be wise to follow Ford’s example and not allow their good product to be combined with a bad one.
Does the Ram need the body removed to work on the engine?
great video, thanks for sharing.
The fords 3.31 gears are not lower than the Cummins 3.73. They are higher.
I think the Cummins would be too weak for 331 or 355. ouuld be getting close to some half ton towing numbers on some trucks. Now 410? Might REALLY pair well with the Cummins chill low end pulling power.
Well said, diesels really need the extra gears cuz their limited revs available compared to gas engine Wich are less torquey but more linear
I have a 2019 Ram 1500 Classic with a 5.7 liter engine. 8 speed transmission.
Shouldn’t the Cummins have the 8 speed transmission also?
If I would upgrade to the Ram 2500, I would like a stronger transmission that the 6 speed.
I’m no mechanic just curious.👍🏾
Nope the cummins can only come with a 6 speed tranmission. if you got the 6.4 HEMI you would have the 8 speed ZF transmission/
Is most situations that HP8 in the 1500 is a better transmission that the 68RFE. The 68RFE is a beefed up 545RFE. It's really not a great trans by any standard
Clearly the bias is for the Ram. The performance of the Ford blows the Ram out of the water. Not the end of the world for the Ram fans…😂 Less squat, less speed, less power up hill lots more excuses though for the Ram.
I agree I ran Ram cummins for years went to powerstrokes in 17 and will not go back. Even when the 17s had 6 speed transmissions they still blew away my 16 HO cummins.
Probably already mentioned but Ram offers a 4.10 but only in a DRW dually
Love my Cummins 2500 mega cab it’s an animal wouldn’t drive anything else
Ford does not option a 3.73 with the diesel. That's only available with the 6.7 in a F350 chassis cab or with the gas engines in the pickups. The 3.31 will not keep up with a 4.10 in an HO but the 3.55 surpasses it by a long shot. If it was 4.10 to 4.10 there is no comparison. At 1900rpm that ford is making more than 1000lbft. This Cummins at 2200rpm is right around 800lbft. Thats a sizeable difference, not so much after the 3.31 vs 3.73 axle. Even the HO Cummins with a 3.73 will be on par with the powerstroke. I've looked at DRW in the last few weeks. The smaller cab, smaller overall length, 2011 design, 6 speed, all hold me back from making the change. Only part that is appealing is the $16k difference in price(F350 XLT is 96k, Ram Big Horn is 80k) but that 16k makes up for a lot of differences, even with the HO it's not a comparison
96k for an XLT? lol. You must be in Canada.
@brianthompson9485 yeah in Southern Ontario(2hrs from Detroit) a decently optioned 2024 F350 SRW crewcab LB with the 7.3 is $84k before tax add $11k for SO 6.7l and $14k for the HO. My 2019 Lariat ultimate was $90 sticker, can't get an XLT for that now.
CON- a great Cummins engine wrapped around by a piece of crap dodge/fiat truck.
It's sadly a little true, I like the RAM trucks but that 6 speed is terrible.
I'm a cummins guy but I hate the transmissions behind them. The 6.7 from both are just great engines honestly though.
If the 25' Rams come with a 10 speed... I'll be there! :)
If they offered full power in the 2500, the 6 sp would have been hidden more. I dont believe the ram needs a 10sp, probably an 8 would be perfect with the lower rpms.
8 to me is the compromise to gearing and less complexity.
You need to test a 3500 Cummins H.O single rear wheel💪With extra 50 more HP
Powerstroke and Duramax still out perform the H.O. Cummins
@@countcuda70 let’s find out
@@Boudreaux911 TFL compared all 3 already. Ram with the High Output Cummins was last. Ford has the highest numbers to the ground with their High Output Powerstroke. Ram advertises higher numbers but Duramax has more HP and TQ to the ground. Last is the Cummins
Ya I would really like to to this with the HO cummins and see if the added power helps to compete with ford.
@@TheGettyAdventures It doesn't really help much. Powerstroke and Duramax with the 10 speed are pretty far ahead
I love "it's not the fastest engine" really means "it's gutless and wouldn't pull a sailor off your sister"
The Cummins engine producing torque at lower end better than powerstroke isn’t fact anymore like it used to be, the long connecting rods because of shallower steel pistons have become almost as long as Cummins connecting rods and now produce peak torque at 1600 rpm and peak hp at 2600 rpm vs Ram 1800 rpm peak torque and 2800 rpm peak horsepower, so it’s not really Cummins torque king anymore and as for reliability they’re very similar besides 22 Cummins blowing engines because of their pushrods rocker arm kits being cheaper metal.
No thank you on the ford converted gas engine as well as the chevy
@@ftbrip lol there was actually one built by Chevy converted from a gas engine back in the day the 6.2 but saying that about duramax and powerstroke is like saying the same thing about Cummins just cause they’re a straight 6 like the old Jeep straight six lol, saying stuff like that holds no water, I’m about actual performance and reliability which ford 6.7 powerstroke is now more powerful torqy and reliable than 22/23 6.7 Cummins in the real world
@@ftbriplol what.
Ok tell me why none of the big rig companies use ford or chevy diesel but they use Cummins a lot because ford and chevy are redone gas motors
@@ftbrip lol because Cummins builds a 6.7 crate engine which Ram also happens to use. Just because a company builds a diesel engine specifically for their truck and don’t sell the to other companies as crate engines doesn’t mean it was originally gas lol show me the 6.7 gas that ford used to make that they supposedly turned into the 6.7 Powerstroke and same on duramax lol
Like I said that was true of chevys first diesel engine back in the 90s or so, the 6.2 was literally a made over gas engine and it didn’t work
Chevy and ford don’t use crate engines like Ram does, they build their own diesel engines like Cummins does, they just don’t build crate engines to sell to other companies like Cummins, but Cummins also doesn’t build trucks, they only build engines
The Cummins does not make power pass 2500 rpm. It don't need 4.10 gears. It need the 10 speed auto more than anything.
I built a 2022 RAM 3500 dually with a 4:10 rear gear ratio on their website?...
Hes using a 2500 for comparison to the F250 and chevy 2500 to show you the difference between brands at the same level. A dually 3500 3500 is way different than a 2500 srw
Just look on the road at what trucks are working. Ram is over and above preferred. The 10 speed works great but has issues also
LOL, preferred = cheaper to buy and the 68rfe is known to be a true pos just like the rest of the fiat/peugeot stuff. Or you could get your mexico built truck with a toyota tranny that's not much better.
My 19 and 20 f350s lost the transmissions at 60k
@@joshszydel8202 and how much tune did you put on them??
@@mattcaesar5781 💯 stock.
If your looking for reliability and the best exhaust break out of the big 3 the Ram is the top choice. Fords have aluminum beer can frames that crunch when loaded up like a can! Look it up you will see. Power jokes also have aluminum beer can heads that warp and fail under heat and stress. Cummins has cast iron for the cylinder head..
AND a fully boxed steel frame. The only thing better on the new fords is the transmission...
Dodge had the worst frame. Ford had the strongest. Look at crash tests.
@arod6789 keep telling yourself that I don't give a crap. Aluminum vs steel how much more is needed to be said. The Fords frame has bent and twisted from hauling basic stuff.
@codydovel791 you are a moron. The frame is steel. The ram is the only one out of the 3 that's sees complete frame failure when overloaded.
@@Antiliblife187 given your disdain for aluminum, shouldn't you be a big fan of the only engine that has steel pistons instead of that crappy Cummins with its aluminum junk pistons lol.
@AK_Ray almost every diesel engine has cast aluminum pistons jackass. That's a good material for pistons but for cylinder heads and frames and truck beds come on dude your ignorant.
Excellent intelligent information! I agree Dodge #1 transmission truck failure rate. Dodge Corporate 🔥 all there asses for selling shit 68RFE transmission. It's a no brainier! Ford 6.7 #1 in rear wheel power! Much better transmission too! Emissions that's another story! I'm good with my 5.9l with hy modified 48RE! No Smog
Dodge ? 🤣🤣 Dodge has got nothing to do with it. The last time I checked the last Dodge made Ram ( 3 rd Gen) left the production line 13 years ago. Production was moved from Dodge plants to ex Chrysler plants in 2010 when Ram became its own brand and manufacturer.
Long, long, long overdue for a new, competitive transmission. Ram needs to wake up!
The aisin transmission will Outlast and perform anything that Ford Powerstroke has.. Cummins is still king
@@lrizo3841pretty sad Dodge can’t build anything. Powerstroke is a better truck overall tho
@@OhhMaki 😂 you obviously don't know anything about trucks then..
@@lrizo3841 Who makes the transmission? AISIN. Who makes the engine? Cummins. Pretty good duo but dodge makes little money on their diesel trucks compared to Ford and GM. Also everything around it blows and resale value doesnt lie
ya the 6 speed 68RFE is such an old unit. probably why Cummins can't up the power on the RAM 2500 platform because that transmission wouldn't be able to take the extra power. that's my guess anyways.
All of these trucks are ridiculous nowadays. Pick one and run it.
lol I was chatting to my buddy about that actually. all 3 trucks will tow 15k with ease.
I don't believe you mentioned at any point in this video whether the ram was a Standard Output or a High Output.
Now I know the RAM guys will know this info, but as a duramax man, I have no clue.
Would love in your videos if you were clear about this, that "other" big truck channel is terrible for telling what the specs of the truck are that they are testing (your videos are much better IMO btw)
With the Ram 2500. You can only get them with the Standard Output Cummins with the 68RFE transmission.
HO Cummins Is only available on the 3500 rams
Didn't the 7.3 godzilla pull the trailer in like 16 seconds from 60-110?
Pretty funny imo..
Ram really needs a upgrade. the trucks look so old now. But I would only buy the Cummins nothing else from ram
Nothing wrong with the Cummins engine, very solid unit. you don't need crazy top end power for towing but you do need a good driveline behind the engine which RAM currently does not have.
I'm glad my Ram HO 3500 Dually has 4:10 gears and the aisin transmission.. best truck by far
ya the ram 3500's are optioned pretty well which is nice to see!
Cummins all day everyday!!!
The Ram HD 5th gen was a lie. Essentially same powertrain, cab, etc. Just a face lift. The only Ram 2500 that makes any sense is a gas with the 8 speed- it keeps the payload high and the 8 speed is great. Other than that go GM / Ford or wait 5 years for them to update the ram.
I’m sure a 15-19 powerstroke with 6 speed would do better in towing too. Need to find one and run same test 😂. Them rams are junk when you compare to a Ford in my opinion 🤷🏼♀️
Sorry, I have to say that if this is basically the same engine as the 3500, it will struggle to tow the 20000lb at all.
Once again Ford CRUSHES it
When it came to pulling up those larger hills it was very obvious that the F250 had more capability.
@@TheGettyAdventures was the ford a high or low output?
@@TheGettyAdventures I think with the rear axle ratio of the Ford actually giving an advantage to the RAM, it was an impressive loop by the F250 to beat the RAM and have noticeably better fuel economy as well. Higher towing + payload figures and the 6.7 Powerstroke is a reliable unit.
Got a 6.7 Powerstroke with 130000 on it and it’s solid. No problem yet
Everyone wants a 10 speed till you need a rebuild😅
I don’t trust those factory fuel economy gages. I think for a proper review to be conducted. The fuel economy should be tested independently.
Ya I had 4.30 gears stock in my 450. When I went to 44” tires I went to 6.17. Now I would rip the ass out from under a ram 3500-5500 the ram is a joke. At 30k lbs total weight I don’t downshift at 70 mph on I40, I80… ever. The dodge has no HP. But what do I know I am just a class a driver. V8s are better with holding power than a 6. So hill climbed are not the trans but the lack of hp. That’s why the ford has more power everywhere. Don’t defend the dodge. The 3500 the ford is 2:1 stronger than the Chevy and dodge. It’s why I got shot with a ford when I am not driving an 18 wheeler.
Can you say G56?
After capability my biggest concern is dependability. Nobody cares if it's faster if it has to head to the shop frequently. We bought dozens of f250's for our fleet in 2020. About 80% of these had engine failure and a total rebuild before 60K. Horrible purchase.
There's no reason to get a 2500 just go for the 3500 HO dually or single which ever you need or want and your good my 21 dually tow between 16k and 22k 3 to 4 days a week for work and all I have is a tuner banks cold air and full exhaust and intercooler with the cold and hot side pipes and it did just fine before any upgrades I just can't leave nothing alone and like modifying weverything I own but I would be just fine stock also
3.31 vs 3.73 ?
Love me a good cummins 👌
Yaa you do.
All over your face
Thats not true i put mine in 4th gear and go up hills with no problem with 14,000LBS keep going 65MPH
Wrong, A 10 speed might help the Cummins but the power stroke has a much wider power band, higher redline and massive low end torque that comes in at a lower RPM then the Cummins. Cummins is only great because of the name and a name doesn’t mean it’s the best. It’s just like hemi, great name, makes a lot of power but crappy engine reliability. Also, engines aside, ford builds a better rest of the truck as well and has always been king of transmission mapping which is the way the transmission selects the right gear for the situation.
Oh please. Ford diesel has had poor track record and was a joke for decades. In terms of longevity, Cummins is King. Cummins absolutely dominates in tractor pulling, and drag racing because they’re the stronger engine.
@@aaronkelley8909Cummins had a 12 year head start on the Duramax and 22 years on the 6.7 Powerstroke. Duramax aftermarket has stepped up in a big way. You have competitive sled trucks and record setting drag racing trucks and rails. Powerstroke isn't there yet but it's up and coming
@@countcuda70 not really because of that.
The Cummins rotating assembly has more bearings and main caps. It’s just a stronger engine.
The cylinder head is steel on the Cummins. The heads on the Duramax and Powerstroke are aluminum.
@@aaronkelley8909 Yes, it's really because of that. You didn't listen to what I said. I'm aware of the heads on them. Aftermarket for the Duramax has stepped up in a big way. There's 3500+ HP Duramax powered trucks. Cummins isn't alone in the performance industry anymore.
@@countcuda70 3500 hp duramax on a Dyno or just some guy claiming 3500hp?
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The drawbacks to rams is the underpowered transmissions. Nice engines but it has a leg cut off.
We should do a burn out comp. newer diesel truck ford Chevy and Ram
Speed is all that matters in Towing that and marking your distance by kilometers pffft
I have an old 2008 5.7 hemi
Okay?
Dude! How you can say the RAM that the engine is getting “lugged down”, when it was at 2,000 RPM?!?!? Isn’t the peak torque for the Standard Output RAM at 1,700 RPM? You were dead nuts on it and not lugging it at say 1,300 RPM.
I like your videos and like you but can’t be that much of a Fan Boy for RAM.
Thank you for a great review but the next one please let it be ram 3500 with real transmission lol
I have my eyes set on a 3500 HO single wheel for a towing review soon!
Ford is better!! The main reason I drive a powerstroke. Good fuel economy and hardly kicks down!
Keep dreaming bud. Most Cummins trucks will still be on the road when your beer can frame truck is in the junk yard.
Ford is not better. Use your brain. Ram has a lower raited power for the 2500, Ford is full power in everything. Ford has also taken the title of king of recalls. Jd power has dodge at 1, ram at 2, an d Ford is all the way down at 20 and gm is worse yet. The Ford interior looks like you're sitting in a plastic hot wheels truck. Gm has a larger bore than stroke by a lot, the Ford also had a larger bore than stroke, the Cummins has a longer stroke. It gets more power down low and gives way better fuel mileage. This example is obviously a little skewed because of the base power in the ram. The cummins is much more reliable and if you saw the pro rodeo circuit, you'd see more rams than ford and gm combined. When you're running constantly to get to the next rodeo and have your horses relying on you to keep them out of the trailer, you'll choose a Cummins. Ford and gm also use the same transmission. Gm is also owned by china and who wants anything to do with China. NOT to mention Ford just took the largest bailout in history of 9.8bil a few weeks ago and is breaking up the company. Because of the bail out, you'll still see the Ford name, but it's split up. If our government would have just let gm fail the first time around, no one would be in this situation. Supply in demand. Gm goes belly up, Ford and dodge get more customers and all of those plants stay in North America. Now all gm vehicles are made in China or a Chinese territory except the trucks, because the owners would actually look at that. So who's going to end up with Ford now?
Me dodge sucks! Ford has always been the truck to have. Say what you want. I get it you love dodge
@@caseyhorne6035 it's not even a Dodge anymore bud... it's a Ram and obviously you're a Ford fan boy. Thick skulled and oblivious to the fact that Cummins makes the best diesel engine in a pickup truck and Ram is the only one you can get it in. Fords will always be F.ound
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Junk end of discussion. More recalls recently than any other manufacturer.
@sonsofliberty3081
So much misinformation, it's comical.
Starting with your ignorant bore and stroke comment regarding the Ford 6.7...
8 speed would probably be better then the 10
My 6.7 power stroke does 40psi
Boost isn't a direct measurement of power. It's measuring restriction. Put better charge pipes, intercooler and heads on. Power will go up, bosst will come down
Can't get 3.73 with Diesel
Pickup trucks are good until they break down
When will fiat make there own motor?
You mean like the Japanese Isuzu Duramax
@@aaronkelley8909 Duramax is owned by GM. Built at Dmax LTD in Moraine Ohio. Since the first Duramax was built on 7/17/2000. Was never an Isuzu. Dmax was created from a 60/40 partnership between GM and Isuzu. Ford didn't design the 6.7L Powerstroke. AVL an Austrian design company did. Cummins wasn't alone either. Case help with the design.
@@countcuda70 It’s got rice in its DNA.
@@aaronkelley8909 It also paved the way for Common Rail injection. Your reply is pretty stupid. Still made by GM. Transmission is also made by GM. What's Ram or should I say Stellantis make, the body. Everything else is from another company. Including Ram's good transmission from Japan. Nice try newbie
@@countcuda70duramax needed the japs to show them how to build a diesel engine. While I like the duramax, GM and Japan. The facts can not be disputed.