Nothing Fails Like Bible History - Episode 4
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Trent Horn of Catholic Answers tried to re-butt Nothing Fails Like Bible History. Let's see re-examine the evidence for the Exodus.
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Correction: Pi-Ramesses was located extremely close to Avaris (about 2 km away), but it's not directly under Avaris. Ramesses II moved his capital just north of Avaris, but in extremely close proximity to it - superseding the city of Avaris - but they weren't in exactly the same spot.
Incidentally, *Avaris was built as the capital of foreign invaders who dominated Egypt for decades and ruled through a new dynasty of their own kings until after defeating the Egyptian army with superior technology like chariots and iron*
At the time the Egyptians were still using bronze so their swords and armour were about as effective as papier-mâché.
They also didn’t have cavalry (or horses) which is another factor in their defeat.
Wilbur Smith wrote an awesome fictional account of the period which is well worth reading.
The story of Pi-Rameses is also pretty cool. It was built by one of the Ramesses as his new capital (similar to how Akhenaten built Amarna) and it was “lost” to history for thousands of years until rediscovered by accident.
2000m is pretty good, I'll allow it
Absence of Evidence doesn't mean Evidence of Absent. Using terms like DEBUNKED is a bit of hyperbole, relax! It's what we know now for a secularist, NOT a fact! The rest is Conjecture & for believers, I'm sure they have no FAITH in that 😉🤔, I'm not a Christian, don't believe in Zeus & Hercules or Odin & Thor if u get my drift. I'm sure an Atheist doesn't believe in Miracles right? So the impossible possibilities makes this divide moot.
@@tariqs4357 Tariq ask holy koolaid why he won’t come down to his own comments section and take up my challenge to discuss ndes with me ;$
Probably because he knows that he hasn’t dig deep into the research and I have got the last 11 years .
What I feel sorry for most are his atheist sheep who refuse to look deep into what he is saying in his videos to verify and fact check what he’s saying .
This guy is coming obviously scarred and hurt by his extreme fundy upbringing and is making these videos to vent out his hurt upon Christian’s and GOD.
The fact that he looks up to Christopher hitchens as an intellectual giant says it all ;)
So holy koolaid how many Israelites fled Egypt during the exodus .
This should be fun to hear ;)
Amazing how the Egyptians lived through the great flood and didn't mention it.
DOM > Amazing how the Egyptians lived through the great flood and didn't mention it.
Maybe because the Egyptians never noticed there was a flood @ all, eh? Wonder how puny the "Great Flood" would have 2 B in order 4 every1 in Egypt 2 go right on living their lives, oblivious?
Reminds me of a joke from Arthur C. Clarke's "2010: Odyssey Two" in which a standup comedian (I think) claims that the End of The World happened in 1999 on New Year's Eve @ 11:59pm ... only every1 was too hungover to notice.
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Even more specifically, the ten plagues against the Egyptians would have had devastating consequences for the culture, economy and population of the country for centuries. They would have been the greatest disasters ever recorded. Yet they recorded nothing like what's described in Exodus and if they did happen, there's no evidence that they had any effect.
That's because they were working in Australia importing kangaroos and koalas for Noah!!
That’s because they all died, duh! Lmao 😂
They were supposedly roaming around for 40 years, they didn’t leave a single item...not one thing. They must’ve been hell bent on making sure no one knew they were there
First and longest Burning Man festival ever. #leaveNoTrace
They took "Leave nothing but footprints" seriously...
@Matthew Chenault given the life span of people at the time, the deserts superb ability to preserve, and the vast number of people I find it unlikely. Also the bible tells us roughly where it happened. No one recorded seeing millions of people wandering around? The journey was recorded by traders and Egyptians who made this journey in a short time. Also why do Egyptians not have records of Hebrews? Why are pyramids older than the presumed flood not washed away? They do find records of many ancient battles even when cities were totally destroyed. They also find fossils in large quantities from long before Jesus.
@Matthew Chenault There are plenty of times humans tried to wipe something from history and almost always fail. We can accept battles we have little evidence for because sources far from each other and with no relation agree that it happened around the time period it happened. If they were using Egyptian technologies there is no reason to say we wouldn't find pottery with recorded history of their journey or customs as was a form of record keeping in Egypt at the time.
@Matthew Chenault Don't give me that "the bible says the bible is true" crap show me an external record.
My dad was an Evangelical pastor whose hobby was arguing with other Evangelicals (usually in the form of some kind of ambush) and I completely agree with you. But, the thing is, logic doesn't work on Christians. My mom still tells me she doesn't believe in science because it changes its mind, then takes her blood pressure pills. I could go on forever about the hypocrisy and denial, but I won't. I hope you do some good with your videos, but I fear that you're only "preaching to the choir." Christians use facts when they're convenient and ignore them when they aren't. Nothing stops that kind of willful ignorance.
All religions do it!
He has helped me deconstruct a lot. He's really smart. I was a Christian and then my daughter converted to Islam. I was sick of Christianity so I converted too. Technically I'm a Muslim. (I don't want my daughter to find out I've deconstructed) my entire family Christian. When I started reading the Quran and I saw it was the same BS as the bible I knew then that it was all BS. all religion is man made
Sounds all too familiar. I was married to one once upon a time.
@@undrwatropium3724 i am an ex muslim
Many Christians question their faith, and videos like this help them do it in a logical, factual way. That can be very helpful.
It's so weird that you can get a degree in Theology. It's like getting a degree in Harry Potterology.
@Stunt panda... I would have to agree.
Give it time and I'm sure that you can.
I'm going to get a doctorate in Harry Potterology
I will never understand why you can study theology at universities. They should turn them into mythology studies and teach the nutjobs proper history and make sure they learn that all religions are myths.
No, Just no. First, Harry Potter is not a religion, Second The bible is a historical text, even It claim to be a historical text.
Comparing a science to Harry Potter is so Dumb, that only an Atheist of Holy Koolaid Will do that, not even bart Ehrman agree
the mongols were nomadic as well but there's proof they where there
I thought the hebrews were slaves.
Nomad slaves??? Did the Egyptians allow them to wander around? Strange kind of slavery.
Mongols were the exception (If you know you know) 😅
@@peteralleyman1945 As the story goes they were slaves, then they were set free and wandered around in a small desert for 40 years. That's the nomad part.
@@SapphWolf
Millions of Hebrews supposedly lived in Egypt for several ages and didn't leave a trace. Supposedly because they were wandering nomads.
But even millions of hebrews wandering a tiny dessert for 40 years should leave some evidence, wandering or not.
And the Mongols were spread out over a much larger area. Which is why the great wall of China is 6000 km long.
This is what I hate about apologists, they start with a conclusion and looks for information to try to make the conclusion true... *This is dishonest and its always an attempt to satisfy conformation bias*, if there's no evidence of the exodus then there's no reason to believe it ever happened
Confirmation bias _I guess_ is what every religious person "naturally" have, as it partly describes what it means to have an enclosed mind / not able to think for yourself.
It's like when they give the importance reasons of Jupiter's position and size (considering the Oort Cloud and the Asteroid Belt) and the havoc if it wasn't there, combined with Earth being in the habitable zone bla bla bla - what are the chances!?!?!
Well, all this is 100% true, all they've actually done, is to sum up as many things they can to justify their predetermined conclusion - God created the Universe. And because they're 100% honest and true, they believe you and me can't argue against it without being dishonest or lying.
Not having an open mind, or being able to think for yourself literally means that you're not capable of asking why da fakk did god create the Oort cloud and the Asteroid belt in the first place? Even less come to a rational reasonable answer or hypothesis.
@@ingebygstad9667 yes exactly, knowledge is about discovery, and discovery is literally starting out by being curious and finding information to satisfy curiosity and thus we learn new things etc.
The common thing I've seen amongst religious apologists is that they all study philosophy and theology for the sake of apologetics, some of them are even scientists yet they try to use science to "prove that God and science go hand in hand" (which is completely untrue) but they say this because they know it's unlikely to disagree with a scientist about science therefore they choose to plug God in there for their own purposes.
Most of them are obviously great people, most of them are not dishonest people at all, but when it comes to religion they become such narrow minded, dishonest and deceptive con artists.
I'll never forget the day when somebody told me that I can't prove that I exist lol, he used various philosophical arguments to make his point, but his point was meaningless because *I EXIST*, this happened because I told him that God is on the same level of existence as a cartoon character, and he told me that I can't prove my own existence lol, that's pretty deluded, and using philosophy to try and make obvious nonsense sound true is a testament to the level of dishonesty amongst apologists.
Since the whole thing is a house of cards, apologists can't admit a single failure.
...but there is evidence.....the Bible...which is in itself an historical record....the problem is that many historical figures and stories are quite often a mix of what really happened but with added embellishment and many of the unfortunate facts left out. Similar to Mallory's account of King Arthur, a figure that probably existed, but not as we see him in the Hollywood movies....likewise Robin Hood who was in all probability a robber who had a lighter side to his character. Myths and history and political/religious propaganda are always intertwined and the secret is to separate the fact from the fiction....Moses, for example, means "son of" in Egyptian and some speculate that the real Moses was a rebel in the Egyptian court....again, no real evidence....but don't discount the use of the Bible as an historical document....
@@panchopuskas1 the Bible still cannot prove the existence of God or Jesus as a human being, I will admit, the Bible is a historical account in terms of the cultures, languages, and beliefs of the people it mentions, but when it comes to the stories themselves it is littered with contradiction.
Let's say I'm watching a movie based on the life of a real person, if during the first 30mins the character is a young woman, then the next 30mins the character is a young man, and the next 30 the character is an alien from space, *I would lose belief in the story being about a real person*, this is why contradictions are so harmful to a religion, they harm the historicity of the story itself because history is a collection of facts about people, places and things, contradictions blur the facts and therefore you can't use the Bible as a historical book.
If I was reading about the history of America and saw a page telling me that ghengis khan was born in America as a native American and traveled to Mongolia on foot, I would throw that book away, but the same is not done for the Bible, why doesn't anybody throw away the Bible for its many contradictions??
The part where you rebutted his points on the size of Israel's "clans" using arithmetics... that was beautiful to watch.
Thanks! I was worried people's eyes would glaze over when I got to that part.
@@HolyKoolaid no it was the best part!
@@HolyKoolaid, that was wonderful.
Proving a Christian wrong using their Bible? Very satisfying
Favorite part!
Maybe the 11th commandment got lost over time: you must keep the desert clean.
There are actually TWO list of "ten commands from God" in the Bible, and the one that the Jewish/Old testament literally describes as "The ten commandments in the tablets of Moses" is not the one the Christians like, since it involves goats and milk (diet-related) I think.
Considering there were upwards of 500 commandments...
@@letsomethingshine 3 actually; the original commandments were shattered by Moses.
That commandment got left in the desert
It's called "apologetics" for good reason. Anyone trying to pedal this BS should be apologizing 🤣
apology stems from two roots: apo and logos ... and apo means "away from".
Yes I always read it as “I’m apologetic about what my book says” and “ let me make some excuses”
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They owe us an Apology
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Thank you for giving me a hearty laugh man. 😂
But they had the technology and means to make a golden calf?
This is an interesting point...
All they had to do was melt gold. Not that hard.
No, only the technology to make up the story about making a golden calf. Doesn't;t take much more than a few eager-to-be-brainwashed folks to pass that sort of story on.
Aren't apologetics for the Old Testament pointless anyway, since the Jews themselves widely regard those texts as being metaphorical folk stories instead of concrete history?
I'd suggest they all believed it to be factual at one time and and only changed their stance to "metaphorical stories" because.....science.
Some jews. There are a few major sects of Judaism, just as with Christianity. They do not agree on where the story stops being metaphor and becomes history. The Heredi Jews are the strictest - the Jewish version of Fundamentalist Christians, who hold that the whole thing is literal start to end, no exceptions. They tend to keep to themselves and avoid contact with outsiders, with their own school systems and institutions.
There you have to ask a question regarding the intent of the original authors. Did the original authors intend for their work to be believed as historical fact? I strongly lean towards answering yes to this question. Most of the biblical authors did intend their stories to be accepted as true.
@@googlesucks7840 Actually, yes and no. Even many ancient Christians were liberals who thought their scriptures were largely metaphorical even in terms of history. The all the other pagans at the time were the same way. I'd have to assume the various Jewish camps were also the same way, with percentages of views growing and shrinking with the times/manipulations from the cultural leaders.
@@KonradZielinski did Stan Lee intend for Spider-Man to be regarded as real history?
This guy just compared pigeon carcasses to human bones, pottery, armaments and more - all credibility evaporated in an instant.
Chas Maravel
Atleast he responded in a mature way. Too many religious fanatics just sort of say, “Gods exists, you are dumb!”
Just like my thirteen hours of unpaid overtime. Sometimes I really fucking hate my job
@@reneebear3641 that's the only reason he decided to give it a proper response.
@@quinnzykir unpaid overtime is a crime. You need to contact your local government office about this.
@Chas Maravel LMFAO.
You know, I remember doing the math a couple years ago. Size of the desert (I used the widest point), average walking speed of humans (cut in half because walking on sand is hard and elderly people etc), eight hours of walking per day during night-time...
Going from edge to edge across the widest point, ignoring which parts would've had angry Egyptians ready to kill or capture their "escaped slaves", simply going for distance? Two weeks. Two weeks to cross the desert.
But it got worse than that.
Assume one square meter for personal space for every person in that Caravan Of The Hopelessly Inept Navigators. Put people in a single-file line. Guess what happens?
You basically span the entire goddamn desert. So imagine, you've been walking for about a decade, moving around in a random direction every day for absolutely no goddamn reason, and you decide "Fuck it, I'm waking up later today, it's not like I have to go to work, we're lost in a tiny goddamn desert" only to watch the brave leaders at the head of the caravan WALK AROUND IN CIRCLES AND COME BACK TO WHERE YOU'RE SITTING while the people in front of you barely shuffle a few steps.
Granted, they probably wouldn't travel single-file. But it also wouldn't be some tight-packed circular mass of huddled refugees bouncing around well inside the borders of the desert, either. Stretch out the line even remotely, and you're left with a question:
*HOW FUCKING **_STUPID_** **WERE** THESE PEOPLE?!?*
Answer me that one, Trent. I look forward to you making up a fairytale story and substituting it for reality in your back-asswards fucking hick world. Bonus points for being a fucking failure of a person if you say they decided to go West one day and then East the next over and over because making actual progress would be inconvenient to the narrative. It would be just as stupid and wrong as you have demonstrated yourself to be but at least it would be *amusing.*
EdwardHowton
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Dude.....
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Oh, and also
No one at all kept a record of any of these going ons.......although they took place for 40 years
@Ken Bee I try to be amusing as well as thorough when I'm smacking some idiots, I'm glad someone enjoyed it so much.
But yeah. What Trent probably knows and ignores out of necessity to maintain his delusional state is that '40' is a magic number in the hebrew culture. Like 7 is a magic number to this day for the cultures that take so much from them.
Magic number of course doesn't mean anything mystical, it's just what I've heard them called. People have various expressions that use numbers. It's true all around the world and each culture has their own number. Four is unlucky in China because it sounds like the word for death, that sort of thing. Seven is obviously lucky, but also "Roll your tongue seven times before you speak" means to think carefully before doing anything. Seven also gets upgraded to seventy-seven to make it "stronger".
40 is like that. It just means "a lot". How long were they trapped in a tiny ass desert? 40 years. How long did it rain during the nonexistent Flood(tm)? 40 days and 40 nights. Off the top of my head, how long did Jesus spend all alone in the desert, where the Omniscient Narrator(tm) was able to write down everything that happened, including Jesus's conversations with Satan? I think it was 40 days, but I could be wrong.
Either way, Trent is so dumb that he thinks a magic number translates to "There's TOTALLY evidence we just don't have it right now BUT WE WILL ONE DAY JUST YOU WAIT AND SEE seriously wait and see please PLEASE WAIT AND SEE WE'LL FIND IT OH GOD WE HAVE TO FIND IT _PLEASE I HAVE A FAMILY"_
Hmm. That got dark. I've been watching Batman Arkham Let's Plays too much, I think.
Could be worse
The ancestors of those clueless wanderers could also finally emerge from the insurmountable desert......and aquire the skills, numbers and equipment to take down several established (and fortified) cities
In the to-this-day very dry, very arid "promised Land"
They had to go East into a desert because if they went West, they would be in a desert. That's what he said.
He's clearly on a holy level of enlightenment.😂
Hahahahaha! 🤣
Not only that, but that's a tiny area to be lost in for forty years. There were established trade routes going through there constantly, and they couldn't ask for directions? The idea of getting lost for 40 years in an area with cities, settlements, farmers, herders, and traders is just silly.
@@commonsense5494 to be fair, the Bible doesn't say it was a 40 year journey, but rather a case of God saying "fuck you, you've disobeyed me too many times after all I did for you, so now you're going to be stuck here for the rest of your lives, and only the people born after you left Egypt will ever reach the Promised Land".
@Eugene Oisten what I mean is, the Bible doesn't say that it was such a long distance that it took them 40 years to get there. It says that God cursed them so that they would have to stay there for 40 years.
There is also no recordo of Joseph and Moses in Egypt though both were “princes” and significant historical figures according to the Bible.
How do we even know Hatshepsut existed, even though she was "erased"? I guess Joseph and Moses weren't important enough to be mentioned at all 🤷♂️
I love apologists like Trent Horn who claim "Moses" is an Egyptian name, therefore the Exodus is true. Only, which he knows, Moses isn't an Egyptian name. Moses is the Greek transliteration of the word Moshe, which is Hebrew. Just like the Egyptian pharaohs Ahmose and Tuthmose are the Greek names for Egyptian kings, not the Egyptian names.
Love this series, Thomas! Keep up the good work! Glad that you mentioned the tactic of "absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence". Within the first few minutes I kept thinking Trent's argument was, "Well, we might eventually find evidence, so you can't say it isn't true." I was almost shouting at the screen, "Then until that time when you actually find the evidence, you can't claim that it's true!" It seems a form of argument from ignorance. Ha! Looking forward to the next video.
Isn't faith an argument from ignorance? He's just being consistent.
This guy needs to learn a new word: coprolite.
What is coprolite?
@@andrewstoddard6717 Fossilized shit
@@desmondgentle1474 craprolite
Is that coprolite from one of the dinosaurs on the Ark?
This idea that essentially “the reason we haven’t found any evidence for the Exodus is because it all got buried by the sand” has 3 main issues.
1) it flies in the face of what archaeology is. They understand that it would be under the sand. That’s where they’re looking. But sure maybe they just haven’t found it yet. Which leads to point 2
2) While they have not found any evidence of the Exodus they have found archaeological sites from the same time period that the Exodus was supposed to have happened. However all of the evidence they *have* found is either A) completely useless to the argument as it’s completely unrelated or B) directly contradicts what you would expect to find if the Exodus was true (ie the fact that nobody in Egypt seemed to notice that one time the entire river turned to blood, locusts ate all their crops, frogs invaded their homes, every person and animal simultaneously broke out into boils, the entire country was plunged into total darkness for 3 days, and then every first born child in the entire country died on the same night)
And finally 3) having an excuse for your lack of evidence is not evidence. This entire argument holds the same weight and should be taken as seriously as me saying “The pyramids were built by aliens and the reason we can’t find any evidence of that is because all the UFOs got covered up by sand.” Even if everything they were saying was actually true and the evidence is just hiding under the areas we didn’t check yet there is still no logical reason to take it as a known fact because there is absolutely 0 evidence for the claim. If I saw a unicorn but had no evidence of it you would have no reason to/and would not be expected to believe what I was saying even if I really did see one.
That second paragraph was really good! Think people! Think!!
Ya but my pastor of first baptist church across from the airport behind the Applebees disagrees. By the way we’re accepting donations. We need a wall knocked out in our church so we can fit 20 more chairs. The pastor could pay for it but that’s not his job. Cash only please!!
@@sukottoshinobe7360LMAO
Christian apologists: repeating the same mistakes with their fingers in their ears for close to 1850 years.
Bruh, the whole book could be fiction and Christianity would still be true. Fuckin' riddle yourself that shit.
@@Willzyx88 No, if the book is false, then christianity breaks. In fact, disproving a single event that affected jeebus supposedly, like the crucifixion, or the resurrection, EVERY christian scholar says would invalidate the religion as a whole.
@@the-trustees exactly if the resurrection didn't happen the entirety of Christianity falls apart
What mistakes?
@@AarontheGreatXCII-kn4gj for example fundamentalist apologists claim Noah's flood really happened yet all evidence supports the conclusion it couldn't possibly have happened for example with the dating many of them used Egypt was doing perfectly fine before, during and after the flood, with no mention of it ever happening. not only that but an entire civilization completely contradicts the idea a single family were the only survivors.
There also isn't enough water on the entire planet to cause a world wide flood anyway.
If any apologist claims the flood really happened they are simply out of touch with reality
It's pathetic to watch apologetic Christians still clutching at straws to prove a myth
especially because of how over-educated they are... they're studying for years learning dead languages etc, many have no background or interest in archaeology or anything where those languages are needed; these skills, and the time and effort spent developing them are all channeled into apologetics for nonsense.
The most irrational and destructive religious doctrine in human history is the chosen people doctrine and no good all-knowing god would use such lame methods to teach its children. So we don't need history to dismiss Judaism.
Or Islam. Don't forget that Islam is a "best of all people" doctrine, just like the Judaism it is based on.
@SigmaTauri2
"But why are others, who have no ties to the original tribe, so desperate to believe that shit."
I guess over a millenium of religious rule and careful deliberate indoctrination does that to people. I wonder how long will it take until humanity finally escapes the shackles of christianity and islam.
Yep. If you want to bring down scorn and ridicule upon yourselves, just declare that you are special people. Special as in better than. And, yeah, you guys can't join because, well, DNA.
@@drlegendre the same could be said about christianity, as well, they are more like 3 different branches of the same religion than they are truly different religions.
And then there was Moses writing Exodus in the third person
I wish I could say is that it's amazing how many people don't know history around the bible. However, being from the bible belt, it's incredible how many bible believers here know next to nothing.
Care to explain more?
I am aware of the fact that a large voting block of bible thumpers no nothing about a lot of things , except the 2nd Amendment , well sort of , and God made Trump President , until Jesus shows up. Are you sure the wheel has been invented .?
Bible believers choose to believe.
Unfortunately they don't make the effort to examine what they believe and why.
It's true everywhere. Consider my mother as a typical example. She's a Christian. It's part of her identity - she absolutely insists upon it. She owns a bible which her mother gave to her, which is very precious to her. It sits on a shelf, gathering dust. Mother claims to believe, but she never actually reads the book, and her knowledge of basic theology is all either missing or wrong. She has a vague idea that good people go to heaven and bad people... well, best not think about that. She's very good at not thinking about religion. She just accepts the comforting thoughts of fluffy-cloud heaven, and gets on with her life.
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""The Council of Rome was a meeting of Catholic Church officials and theologians which took place in 382 under the authority of Pope Damasus I, the current bishop of Rome. It was one of the fourth century councils that "gave a complete list of the canonical books of both the Old Testament and the New Testament."[1]""
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Rome
""The Synod of Hippo refers to the synod of 393 which was hosted in Hippo Regius in northern Africa during the early Christian Church. Additional synods were held in 394, 397, 401 and 426. Some were attended by Augustine of Hippo.
The synod of 393 is best known for two distinct acts. First, for the first time a council of bishops listed and approved a Christian Biblical canon that corresponds closely to the modern Catholic canon while falling short of the Orthodox canon. The canon list approved at Hippo included six books later classed by Catholics as deuterocanonical books and by Protestants as Apocrypha; but also included, as 'two books of Ezra', the Old Latin books First Ezra and Second Ezra, of which only the latter would subsequently be found in the Catholic canon.[1] The canon list was later approved at the Council of Carthage (397) pending ratification by the "Church across the sea", that is, the See of Rome.[2] Previous councils had approved similar, but slightly different, canons.
The council also reaffirmed the apostolic origin of the requirement of clerical continence and reasserted it as a requirement for all the ordained, in addition requiring that all members of a person's household must be Christian before that person can be ordained.[3][4] Rules regarding clerical succession were also clarified at the Synod,[5] as well as certain liturgical considerations.[6]""
Canonical scriptures
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Religious answer to your 2 first questions:
1: god deleted everything to test our faith
2: it isnt because god doesn't say it
See? Their world is so simple, that is hard to understand why its filled with hatred, madness and genocidal behaviors lol
@RadioTSM {Operator Teddy Timis} And when you point it out then you are “TaKIng iT OuT OF cONText“ in the eyes of one half of them while the other half fully belives it really is flat. It's like he said they cant even agree amogst each other.
@RadioTSM {Operator Teddy Timis} Is that all the evidence you need to convince you the shape of the earth? The bible? Written by goat herders that ride donkeys and ate magic mushrooms and had visions?
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@RadioTSM {Operator Teddy Timis} which verse?
Some news said that jesus came to my india learned so many thing some people in kashmir says jesus tomb is here in kashmir if they deleted everything wt is this
I just want to throw out that the Ancient Egyptians were intimately familiar with floods and how to deal with them. Specifically, the Nile flooded every year, and that yearly flood was crucial for growing crops. Not enough flooding = bad crop = famine that year. So the Egyptians expected flooding and built their cities and towns with that in mind (as you mentioned). Granted, not as much survived from the Nile Delta as from the various tombs, mostly because all those tombs were in the dry desert where things get preserved really well, but to suggest everything in the Nile Delta just got washed away in various floods is pretty ridiculous.
Trent must have big “muscle brain” due to the incredible amount of mental gymnastics he goes through! Great video!
Egypt is just the greatest is the hill a lot of these religious bible thumpers are going to die on. Yes the ancient Egyptians were very smart but they got a lot of things wrong also.
@King Amen-Tut-Ankh I know a lot of people who admire Egypt and their religious. That's all people talk about because after all nowadays the Egyptians are white. As many people on UA-cam believe. I myself could care less.
@King Amen-Tut-Ankh Ah you have a way with words! Got it all figured out,I see! Nobody's going to pull any "sheep's wool" over your eyes,King Tut!!
King Amen-Tut-Ankh you are a liar.
Great rebuttal, thank you. It is fascinating that counter arguments against the bible stories are infinitely more compelling than any christian argument could be.
"I don't even know if modern Egypt has that kind of a population..." He couldn't check on Google or Wikipedia, right?
People, who defend the Bible History don't just fail at Bible History. They fail at simple fact-checking on things that can be much more easily checked than Bible History.
Mr. Westbrook, you crushed this one. Doing the math on Trent Horn's "a thousand isn't necessarily a thousand" claim was perfect. Case closed.
Damn, I love holy koolaid, such a satisfying re-rebuttal
I would love to know where slaves got swords and armor when fleeing from Egypt. Anyone have a good explanation?
And where did they get the training to know how to use them? They were slaves for crap's sake!
Magik....not magic.
Feeling dumb not having thought of this. You don't arm a slave unless they are Gladiators in Rome, and the Romans nearly got destroyed at one point in history for doing that. Too bad that didn't happen.
@@jesuswasahermetic5871 Here's where the fun begins. As I'm sure you know - when the 2 000 000 000 Jews reached the Red Sea, they was caught by the 600 elite chariots the Egyptian king had sent after them, to bring them back, _...and they were terrified and cried out to the Lord. They said to Moses, “Was it because there were no graves in Egypt that you brought us to the desert to die"?_
*They have NO weapons.*
Moses comes down from the mountain with the commandments and sees the golden calf of Baal, smashes the stone tablets, asks _“Whoever is for the Lord, come to me.” And all the Levites rallied to him. Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’ ” The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died._
*They have SOME weapons*
And when they are ready to invade and take over the holy/promised land?
*Joshua's army consisted of 40'000 men*
But of course... You must read this in original Hebrew. Or you must read it as a _Real Christian_ to understand it. Or this is of course all metaphorical, an not to be taken literally.
Inge Bygstad Everything in the old n new testaments are plagiarized and that tradition has continued to this day.
Whenever someone tells me about the bible I think of the Movie Braveheart where he killed a few men and in a short period of time it became hundreds of men.
That's the bible. Exaggerated truths at best. Best explanation for the time period at worst.
Wow, Catholic Answers’ comment thread is full of believers with really chapped lips from kissing his...
... *_arse._*
(Finished it for you)
Paul Gross 👏👍 I appreciate it!
A C I know, I just went to his video and all the ignorant comments are hilarious. Thinking that the dude is actually right lmao
rambeck brad It was scary that so many people in that thread will stay voluntarily ignorant of actual history in order to justify their belief.
Deeks!...is that you? 😀
This is my favourite youtube series, I wish it would never end!
It appears Trent minored in theology and majored in tap dancing.
Does Trent ever say his reason to have a literal interpretation? Does he need a literal interpretation to justify his other beliefs and attitudes? A literal interpretation stops oneself from deeper transformation and spiritual insights.
Aye thats why pagans are coming back
@@thewick-j1837 There is a wide range of pagans.
stridedeck Very true: I was raised Catholic way back in the 50s (atheist since the 60s), and we were never urged to read the bible - the Protestants did that, but they were heretics. In fact, that’s WHY they were heretics!😂
And Catholic biblical scholars of today are pretty open to modern scholarship - including the prevailing theory that the Hebrew foundation story of a people’s escape from Egypt is a poetic retelling of a revolt by Canaanite slaves against their Canaanite masters, i.e. that they had never left Canaan and gone to Egypt and then come back.
This is very weird - although this guy sounds as if he's done a lot of research, I wonder if he isn't a very conservative Catholic, some of whom (including bishops) think that Pope Francis is himself a heretic. Always heretics somewhere!
@@Cor6196 Trent takes his own interpretations as fact and then disregards the long tradition of the Kaballah, that each word is made up of other power structures. He disregards the gnostic interpretation. He disregards the cultural influences of Egypt (Hermetic teachings), and their symbolic stories. Trent reduces these writings into a child's understanding, similar to the literal existence of Santa Claus and Batman.
If you can't take the bible literally then it's not history 🤣 actual history isn't a collection of allegories and metaphors.
The Exodus
I didnt but i stepped on the mud, oh wait wrong chapter
@ScepticalCynic 🤣
ua-cam.com/video/-J92rDTDSiA/v-deo.html
Doesn't he say at one point that he doubts modern Egypt has as many as 12 million people? If he'd taken a moment to look it up, he'd know that the real figure is over 100 million.
To be fair, he said he doesn't know if they do, which is honest.
@@HolyKoolaid Honest, yes, but rather misses the point of being a 'scholar' - research is about doing the hard work so that you can (a) know it, (b) trust it, (c) use it and (d) share it. Just like what you do on HK, BTW.
Late comment, but he was talking about Jewish people.
@@nieselregen420 Well, I'm not going to rewatch it to find out. I'll just say maybe you're right.
600.000 men (plus women and children) for that age, is an absolutely INSANE number of people. I think they Egyptians would have notices if the equivalent of a dozen metropolises just walked away one day. ^^
Love that theater style of sharing the rebuttal clips. A dash of flavor goes a long way.
As an Israelite myself elep is actually pronounced "elef" and I've only ever hear it as 1,000. I could be wrong in ancient versions, but always learned it that way even during my bar mitzvah. Also, we like to exaggerate, it wasn't actually 40 years. For some reason, in hebrew 40, as in 40 days or 40 years or 40 days and nights, just means "a long time".
You're behind the times, Jewish theologians no longer accept the Exodus as true www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2001-apr-13-mn-50481-story.html
@Elana Rose Nuyts no, but just adding a bit of clarification
@@dvonzosch461 it's still in the Bible and I was adding clarification
Just discovered your site!
Feckin brilliant mate!! You have done your homework well 👍❤️
This is the video I'm responding to. Please be respectful, if you interact there. ua-cam.com/video/kc-wpFyb_yo/v-deo.html
Thank you for another great vid!
You're a lot classier than me. I woulda put Tom Servo and Crow in the theater next to you. :P
@S Gloobal Harry Potter is more accurate than your story book
@S Gloobal, You haven't posted any evidence and your article is speculation filled with words like "possible" and "maybe".
@S Gloobal why would i have to enplane your story book to you i have read the bible cover to cover . the thing is fiction magic ( miracles ) are fiction and so is your magic sky daddy 🔮
So, on the basis that we haven't discovered everything yet, we don't draw a conclusion yet do we sir.
I would like to thank you profusely for this extremely cathartic and entertaining service that you provide for religion survivors like me. That is all.
Haha it's amazing how he's supposed to be a biblical expert but didn't know that the Israelites had pots and jars in the wilderness for 40 years lol.
"I don't know if modern day Egypt has that kind of population" (12 million) LOL, Cairo got 20+ million people. 97,5 million in all of Egypt.
You left out one of his credentials... MA in tap-dancing.
Tell your joking. Wait, I'll go check
Advanced acrobatics?
No sorry, it was a BS in tap dancing....lol
And what if anybody would find some evidence of Hebrews having lived in Egypt? Would it make the magic true?
No it would not...
If you don't have an Egyptologist, your rebuttal can only be weak.
The Bible says one thing, but there isn't any evidence that has been found in the dirt.
These biblical assertions have been debunked for decades. Trent just looks foolish defending it but that in itself, as I'm sure most rational thinking people agree, is unsurprising.
*centurys
Trent is a new player in an old game.
He has no idea what he is defending.
@@fionafiona1146 *centuries*
Isn't it interesting how the Bible only calls the Pharaoh, "Pharaoh"? Didn't they get his name? Wouldn't that be pretty easy to remember and write down? If they actually used the name of the Pharaoh, wouldn't that nail the timeline down? Or is it that the writers never were in Egypt, and didn't know the name of any of the pharaohs, so they just called him "Pharaoh"?
Well.... about that. The biblical text doesn't use the word "pharaoh" either. The best English equivalent for the original Hebrew would be king. King has been switched out for the word Pharaoh in many translations to give the Bible more "authenticity."
It must be exhausting trying to explain away the lack of evidence for imagined god(s).
More than that. God is Being itself.
@Perrin Abbya "immaterial being". Isn't that a contradiction?
@James Harris Heads up. Gloober is a dishonest troll. You'll be better off trying to reason with a stone wall.
@@killianmiller6107 Let me tell you the "good news" of the great and wonderful Boolsheet from the alternate world of Re-lij-un. I have proof! They visit us all the time in the form of UFOs, and every "alien" abduction case has anal probes. Proof of where Re-lij-un comes from!
@S Gloobal There are plenty of evidence to suggest that our brains are hardwired to assign agency to things, some experiences have even been able to induce the feeling of a "presence" when stimulating the brain. That and the fact that there are 30 000 odd mutually exclusive god claims point towards god being made up left and right. Heck, I bet you don't believe in any of the greek gods, the hindu ones etc? So yes we have loads of evidence of gods being imaginary and none of gods not being imaginary.
This said, personally I simply go so far as to say that there is no evidence to warrant belief not that I'm certain that there are no gods. I hold the bigfoot and alien claims to the same standard.
As far as giving you an alternative cause for the universe and life. The first one I could point you towards theoretical physics but I'll settle with saying that I'm not convinced there is a cause for the universe, I'm not even sure that cause and effect holds when time and space abscent.
As for life we already know that biomolecules can be produced by purely natural means, that was shown in laboratory settings as far back as the 1980's if I recall correctly and the field of abiogenesis has taken leaps and bounds since, I suggest you look into it. But, even if all science had come up with was that single experiment that alone would make it a better explanation than the supernatural by definition.
Now, this is more answer than I should have given you because what you're doing is simply a big ol argument from ignorance. You can't think of another explanation therefor explanation x is valid. That is simply not reasonable. For explanation x to be valid there needs to be evidence. And so far I have seen none for the one you accept hook line and sinker.
Sometimes the absence of evidence is evidence of absence.
I love how you reveal the facts behind stories of the Bible that often contradict the the archeological findings
I've never clicked on anything so fast in my life
I just watched his “rebutted” video and wow, the amount of ignorant comments on there is astonishing lmao.
rambeck brad A bunch of trained seals over there clapping for the Olympic level mental and linguistic gymnastics that guy goes through to try and make those papyrus scribblings make sense.
Northern Africa was a very different place thousands of years ago, heading West would have been a great choice.
Cyrenica would have been a great place, but they'd have to cross a desert to get there... wait..
Apologist: And elephant just trampled over your house.
Me: There's no evidence that an elephant did that.
Apologist: There's no evidence that an elephant didn't do that.
Me: My house is still standing strong, with me in it. I'm pretty sure that's evidence of the absence of the elephant in question.
Apologist: Maybe you just haven't found it yet.
Me: I'm currently in the spot where my house was, and still is. Where else should I be looking?
This guy said he don’t think modern Egypt has 12 million im dead 😂
A THOROUGHLY enjoyable demolition of apologetic nonsense!! Their logic, rationale and "evidence" is so laughably puny it's like watching toddlers trying to fight their parents!
Honestly? It's worse.
13:51
I'm sad the plural of "census" is not "sensation", "sensational" or "sensei"
@Cross Van Dust So do I, so we have consensus.
Yay! I love this series!
It is amazing! I absolutely love it! There's also something soothing about his voice. Is that weird to say?
@@justjim1027 I think his voice is soothing too 😁
@@qbradq I am glad that I am not the only one.
Great work. Love the detail. Love the way you present your arguments
Beating an apologist using logic, reason, science, and history. Thank you very much and appreciate it. Love it, love it, love it!
Very professional response: "Egyptian Artifacts to 'Disover' "
and he can't type Artifact in the next slide
3:10 and 3:20 for anyone curious enough to double-check. :-)
Oh I LOVE when they go in with the 'mock the cartoon avatar' shtick (looking at the clips you showed from other people who tried to debunk you). It's like a waving white flag. Every animated (heh) skeptic gets this response and I honestly don't know what point they think they're making. We all know that they're just pissed they can't pick apart their physical appearance. Because that's all they've got. Dickery.
Most animated atheists show their face, like you, in other videos too. But they're not going to actually watch you lol.
I didn't just show my face, I put myself on the toilet and warped my face to a whole new level of weird. So if they want to ad hom me for being goofy, I've already embraced it.
Rebutted sounds like something a plastic surgeon would do!
Sadly, plastic surgeons cant give apologists extra brain in their butt
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Wasn’t Kim Kardashian rebutted?
@@kellydalstok8900 🤣🤣😂🤣
I can’t help but see The Exodus as the story of a bullied kid that stood up for himself and then everybody clapped...
Bro I’m trying to go to bed but your videos are too addicting
Love your videos so much! Thanks for the great content! :)
“Jar Jar”. Hah, nice.
Time to go dislike that dudes misinformation video
Richard Ball He posted it in a comment
I hate when theologists say "You cant disprove it." They are the ones making the claim, its on them to prove their claim.
Yea, but the entire story of Exodus has been disproven.
By Israeli archeologists, no less
Good video. I wish it would not have been a response video since I was genuinely looking forward to the next video in this series but I still enjoyed it. Hope you continue with this series and give us some new bible history fails
If'n the Israelite's were having a hard time finding enough food in the desert and required manna from heaven, umm, what did all of their flocks of animals eat?
Dirt
@@MarioLopez-si8jb I guess they could have eaten the sand-which-is there??
@@anunnakielohim2727 oh right sand with no water.
Unfortunately for you sir, the more open minded investigation and evidence that is found, the more deluded the biblical claims become. I'd get out while you are ahead....
"Walking distance away" (Egypt and Canaan). So why did it take 40 years? Or was God's satnav really shonky?
The Exodus was supposed to be around 1490 BC. The entire population of Egypt is estimated to have been 2-4 million at the time. The Bible is saying 600,000+ men (2 million people including women and kids) left in the Exodus and some say 12 million stayed behind. With those sort of numbers the Jews could have kicked the Egyptians out of Egypt!!
Can’t wait for Trent Horn to respond to this
Lets just have just one historical evidence of anything outside of the book
When he compared the evidence of Alexander of Macedonia. With the evidence for exodus by jews out of Egypt I about spit out my dinner. You served up a factual necessary beat down. Thank you
May the "Holy Hermaphrodite" have mercy on our non-existent souls! Can I get an amen?!?
You mean the child of Hermes and Aphrodite from Greek mythology? lol
@@tothboy01 EGG-ZACK-LEE
Amen....and awomen
Regarding the Israelites settling in the delta, it is known that due to the ANNUAL flooding, people in ancient times populated the high ground area and that is where ancient artifacts are found. So no one settled in the delta.
I have only recently found your site...and I love it..!!!!!...great stuff.... and from me to you...Blessed Be to you and yours.... As you hit upon subjects dear to my heart you will certainly hear from me again.
I'm still waiting for a debate between you two, or a conversation at least
For the man too lazy to google Egypt's population to see if it has 12 million now, it was estimated to 97.5 million in 2017.
not to mention doesn't have the time to edit in a take where he isn't unprofessionally burping with indigestion. we can clearly assume the same "nah, that's good enough, that'll do" attitude with the research as well.
*Me with a delightful atheistic grin through the entire video :D*
Trent Horn: *_PhD in Theology,_*_ Author_ and professional _Debater,_ one might expect a challenge! Alas, no. Nothing but defensive simple excuses, and his best arguments was so damn debunkable, it was literally pathetic! - I had a _great_ time though! :D
If it’s so pathetic, why hasn’t the dude responded to Trent’s offer for public debate? If something can be destroyed by truth, it deserves to be.
There are far older nomad societies that have left quite a bit of physical evidence for their existence
The Chinese have been writing since the year 6000 BC and they never mentioned anything about a flood.....
Theists can't do history and neither science. Poor guys stuck with their fantasy land and magical thinking
Just stumbled across your channel due to the FaithlessForum speaker list, I’m so happy I decided to watch your content! This is brilliant, BRAVO SIR 🤝🏆👏
Love how they use biblical scripture, then admit it is probably wrong.
The Jewish god supposedly did a lot of things. Jesus supposedly could only do some basic miracles.
No evidence that the Jews were slaved by the Egyptians
@@rocioaguilera3613
No evidence for any of it.
The only evidence they have is scripture. Which they can't even agree on.
Jarjar 🤣
Exqueaze me! 🤣
Gave me a good little giggle 🤭
Thanks 😊👍 ♥
I know this isn't the biggest problem in what he said, but Cleopatra doesn't have a tomb. We have multiple records saying she was laid to rest in a grave next to Cesar's.
My dude....you smashed this guy into orbit. *LMAO*
On point! My man.
Then why don’t he debate Trent, lol?
@@stevenb7837 We have all seen how good Trent is. 😂😂
@@stevenb7837 sure if Trent horn wants to debate
Amazing work you have put out in this series!
Oh, billion with a b. I didn't realise that you could spell billion without a b but there you go.
Well of course, billion without a b is illin... I hate myself.
0:19 The beginning of this video is the ending of Total Recall?!? 😆 😅 😂 🤣
Nice to see another one in this series.