SEC Insider: The Big Ten Won’t Want Florida State
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- One of college football's most prominent voices doesn't think the Big Ten will want Florida State. And it has nothing to do with football.
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I have a theory that Paul Finebaum doesn’t want the Big Ten expanding into SEC territory
@@tylernelson3343 The more correct answer is that he absolutely hates FSU with every fiber in his body? Why? Who knows. He just does. No one at FSU cares though. He’s irrelevant to the school.
Bingo! He knows the Big 10 flag planted at FSU and Clemson would be right down the heart of SEC territory.
It’s that every reason why I think people are sleeping on Virginia, UNC, Clemson, GT, FSU, and Miami in the Big Ten. That’s the perfect southeast division for the conference, add Duke and you have college basketball’s biggest rivalry.
@@Dr.BatmanPhD The problem is, Virginia, UNC, Duke are the ones the SEC wants. Because it expands their market. North Carolina is the fastest growing state in the country and the SEC now has their SEC Network and new operations center there.
SEC doesn’t want FSU or Clemson, they had much rather have UNC and Virginia.
Finebaum isn't just an SEC bigot, he hates FSU. It may be because FSU football over the years has gotten a lot of positive attention without being SEC or Big10. Finebaum is as ignorant and blind as can be unless its Alabama and Nick Saban. I don't listen to him.
It is interesting to me that an “ignorant and blind” man could have made so much money over the years reporting on college football.
Perhaps you are ignorant for not listening to him more?
Finebaum does/says whatever is best for SEC and bama. sometimes he goes out on a limb and pretends to be unbiased when he has literally no choice. if Finebaum is trying to poopoo the big10 getting FSU its probably because he is scared of all the big10 teams now having new recruiting grounds and a great east coast TV market. he always has an angle and its very transparent if you start looking for it. he wants the SEC to keep its edge and hes stirring the pot to do it.
If Finebaum's criteria is "B1G academics," he is out to lunch.
FSU is a B1G school in waiting. As the 23rd best public school, they would be in the middle of the B1G pack.
FSU is #1 in The New America's (think tank) listing of potential AAU schools.
President McCullough (formerly of Harvard) has ambitious academic goals for FSU. Perhaps Finebaum could take three minutes and look at the FSU website before he starts spouting off.
Beyond academics:
The B1G is lusting for a footprint in Florida.
FSU passes the B1G's "additive" test.
FSU is #2 on the B1G's target list.
When the time comes, McCullough is going to vote to join the nerds not the jocks.
LOl...FSU got rejected from being AAU and USF got in ahead of them. It was an outright slap to the face. FSU is not a cultural fit in B10, it's in the rightwing hillbilly panhandle part of Florida not Orlando or Miami. B10 has shown many time they aren't interested in FSU, There is a reason when they were looking for ACC teams in the past FSU was never in the conversation, it was schools like UNC & Virginia when they added MD and were trying to coax another. FYI, being a big whiner cry baby is making things even worse. B10 doesn't run that way and they don't want an inflated ego blowhard with delusions of grandeur like FSU
And no AAU membership for the Criminoles. Bye….
@chandlerwhite8302 doesn't matter anymore! B1G Commissioner even said it himself, Not having an AAU Membership is NOT a deal breaker! And if your a B1G fan you should know this!
@@LSU_Tigers.. AAU was always not required, if your name was Notre Dame. The fact is it does matter to many of the schools that vote on new members. FYI
all 4 schools added from the P12 just happened to be AAU. The only school in the conference that isn't is Nebraska, which lost it via standards changes. The B10 schools even voted against them showing integrity and not making an exception for their new member.
@grobble8954 the fact is it doesn't! As long as the incoming school is in the process of receiving an AAU Membership the B1G Conference will take them.
Finebaum is not a great source. He is out for him, ESPN and the SEC in that order.
Finebaum was touched in a bad place by an fsu fan
His ear?
His Nose
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@@brianbarwick908 Maybe he was scalped by a Seminole.
He also hates Florida, Auburn and LSU so it must’ve been a group thing
FSU would be really nice in the B1G TEN. Along with Notre Dame.
B10 doesn't want FSU and has made that clear for a decade, they want schools like UNC, UVA, Gtech or Miami
Florida State University is ranked a top-20 Academic Public University. AAU is a Lobbyist group that seeks Federal funding for its members. The AAU Lobbyist University’s are adds new members by invitation. *Paul never thinks & never shuts up.
SEC does not want the BIG in Florida. Taking FSU would be a defensive move.
SEC really doesn’t care. If it’s a defensive move, it stupid becuase the BIG would just take Miami and get in anyway.
Florida State University knows where they are going & the SEC knows where Florida State University will land. The SEC has lifted the decades long boycott of home & home “Out of Conference Series” football games with the Florida State Seminoles. Alabama will be in Tallahassee in 2025 to start the season & the first “Out of Conference”home & home series. Georgia will be in Tallahassee to start the 2027 season & the next “Out of Conference” home & home series in football. There are some “Great B1G” hints! The fact is the two big leagues are working together & making decisions much more than University’s in this round of realignment.
I'm glad you brought up those games FSU will be playing in the near future. Everyone seems to be overlooking those games to include the LSU series and there may be some writing on the wall. It's almost as if those games were a free way to test FSU's marketability before making any moves to bring them over. And it's only helping them out. Just as beneficial for the B1G to evaluate as well.
@@css31069 , During the last ten years 2014-2023 every regular season FSU ranked between the 4th most watched team and never fell below the 8th highest team watched. The viewership did not decline during that rough patch. I am not sure our +1 will be.
Finebaum just doesnt want FSU on a level playing feild, he knows what will happen!! SEC ass rompin time
No way. Someone from the competing conference against the Big Ten wants to peddle the lie that FSU isn’t wanted by the Big Ten?!?!
@@turdfurgison149 Finebaum and Sankey are panicking because they know the B1G set themselves to take over college football. The SEC no longer has the benefit of being able to pay their players under the table. After the B1G adds ND then it's over because the SEC will never be able to catch up to them financially no matter who they add.
Are you just coming out from under a rock? The SEC and BIG aren’t competing. They have been coordinating on this for 6 months. Finebaum isn’t even an SEC guy. He’s a sports shock desperately needing to attract attention to himself during the dead season.
@@adamb6370 disagree. Finebaum is a an SEC loyalist
@@adamb6370 Finebaum and Sankey are scared of the B1G because they set themselves up to control the purse strings of college football, due to negotiating a superior TV contract. The B1G will be able to pay their players more and that's the bottom line.
@@turdfurgison149 from someone who has heard him for years. He is a Bama homer and a Saban groupie. His whole career is based on hating on Bama SEC rivals; Florida, Auburn, UGA, and LSU. He garbed national attention when a craziest Bama fan tried to poison the trees in Toomrrs Corner to impress Paul. That guy went to jail and Paul went national.
SEC insider doesn't know their azz from a hole in the ground! B1G definitely wants FSU.
Was Finebaum wearing his clown nose at the time?
No, but rumor has it he was wiggling his nose and sniffing around rat traps in search of cheese...
Ridiculous, big 10 will take both Florida schools quickly
Miami doesn’t add value with FSU hypothetically coming and as a small private doesn’t really fit. I also don’t think they add 70+ million in value to the TV deal and the Big Ten isn’t expanding if the per school value will go down.
FSU was a finalist for AAU membership last time. They should get in in the next round.
Exactly, the deal doesn't even need to be said. The B1G will flex their academic influence over the AAU to get them voted in if they are a member of their conference.
I call BS on that. How do you know they were a finalist? Show me the evidence. You won't because you can't because there is none because it isn't true.
@frankpotter5936 there were articles about The AAU selection coming down to FSU and USF with USF being selected over FSU. Many feel the is came down to FSU's Enginering school sharing accreditation with FAMU, which the legislature has recently changed giving FSU a fully accreditation school. It is felt this move will help FSU get membership in the next selection.
Point me to real articles (not opinion pieces) that say the selection came down to FSU and USF. There are several problems with this. The process is secretive and details almost never get out, they don't choose one school over another (both could join) and there are more deserving schools like Virginia Tech which is higher ranked in just about every way so I doubt FSU is next.
So, this guy is a college football insider? Really? Did he know about the Texas and Oklahoma deal before it was released to the public? Did he know that Saban was going to retire? Not hardly. Some insider. Insiders are supposed to have advance knowledge. This guy doesn’t know a damned thing that isn’t common knowledge.
Yes sir, agree very much. Even the powers that be that are making the deals don't know what is going to happen until the deal goes down. It's like the stock market, if we all had the inside information we'd all be wealthy.
FSU must show what they are bringing to the SEC or B1G.
Top ten in national viewership. More than 99% of the Sec and Big 10 combined. So yea, that’s bringing something to the table.
@@ronon3849 $$$$$$$$$$$. Does that answer your question?
Shock jock Paul Finebaum thanks you for being suckered into running a video about him and helping with his publicity
Rather disappointed in you for giving him air. A guy who went to Tennessee, ranked #105, dissing FSU, ranked #53, for their academics. Most of the schools in his conference are bottom of the barrel in academics.
@@505premoto easy there. There are a few that are lacking but at the top of the SEC; Vandy, Florida, UGA, Texas, and TAMU stack up well against the best of the BIG.
Just about every B1G school minus Nebraska matches up academically with the best of the SEC. Even the worst B1G football schools.
No SEC team is becoming a new AAU member by getting voted in because the SEC doesn't have the academic influence like the B1G has. That's why FSU has to join the B1G if they want to get voted in.
@@adamb6370 But none of the B1G schools except Oregon and Nebraska are outside of the top 100. The SEC has about six or seven or maybe, even eight. Go check for yourself.
The big question is “Does adding FSU add enough NEW money to either the SEC or the B1G to warrant adding them?” Without new money added to the TV contracts why would the existing members in either conference agree to a smaller slice of the pie. Now if ESPN doesn’t renew the ACC TV contract there would be new money available for a bigger deal. Not sure there is much appetite from Fox to add money to the B1G deal to pay for additional conference members. Fox didn’t bid for CFB rights. Not saying Fox is broke but there might not be as much money there as people think. Fox and ESPN split the Big 12 rights. Maybe some new money there? Long shot. Most likely the ACC savings could be funneled to the SEC for the 9th conference game and FSU and Clemson.
It's obvious if FSU and Clemson join the B1G, the SEC will no longer be able to claim to be the superior conference. How much would that end up costing espn?
Neither are joining the B10. They aren't he schools the B10 wants for many reasons
The B1G would take Fsu and Clemson in a heartbeat! Msu want aau for 8 years after they were accepted in the B1G!
FSU & Clemson are both going to the B10. Anything else being said, suggested, hoped for etc. is sheer folly.
Curious... For how long and by how many professionals must it be reported that CLEMSON and FSU are low expansion priorities for the SEC (and B1G)?
For the smart people, you can tell that Finebum is setting the table for when the SEC tries to get FSU
1. FSU is already in works of getting AAU status. 2. Why in the world would you listen to a SEC homer regarding B10? 3. FSU wouldn't be in court if they didnt already have a hand shake for a future destination. Cmon John.
"Academics" = Research Dollars (AAU) NOT necessarily grades or U.S. News/National ratings etc. I keep seeing this reaction in comment sections on this ALL the time and I don't know what it takes to get this thru peoples minds.
Recent events on college campuses demonstrate the cultural problems with FSU, Clemson or for that matter UNC joining the B10.
Florida State is a serious candidate for AAU affiliation and stands a better chance of getting in than Nebraska does being readmitted. Nebraska must get control of the medical school from the Omaha campus which isn’t likely. If Arizona State can get in, then so can Florida State. This has to be a thought amongst the B1G CEO group. North Carolina is the next most likely ACC program to go to the B1G, since they’re AAU and Clemson isn’t even on that radar.
Overrated BigTen got paid a large amount of money from Fox. Fox definitely overpaid the BigTen is the most overrated conference
To be fair... Nebraska had ALREADY BEEN VOTED OUT of the AAU before they joined the BIG. The process had already begun and Michigan was one of the schools that voted to remove them, so the BIG absolutely knew that Nebraska would not be AAU once they joined.
There is nothing special about being in the overrated BigTen Conference !
Actually nobody outside FSU knows until it happens. A lot of speculation
The reason FSU is valuable to the SEC is because college football about to go to streaming services and FSU brings 4 million viewers, that’s why FSU is valuable to both conferences, if FSU goes Big 10 then the SEC won’t be the big bad boogie man anymore
Still think in the end FSU end up in the BIG
I wonder how much Cal and Stanford regret joining the ACC and not sticking it out with WSU and OSU?
I wonder how much buyer-regret ACC has for taking them...
I think most people don’t realize that football and TV money pales in comparison to the research money AAU membership brings. Yes, FSU may rank high academically in a magazine but having AAU is what counts. Hopefully, they can get accepted next round.
If it's not about football value, why not kick FSU out of the ACC and then bring in the likes of a Marshall, or a Tulane, or an FIU, or an USF--all tier 1 AAU certified research universities? If you're of the opinion that academics/research at UNC/UVA is what makes them "more attractive" to the SEC/B1G than FSU football, why would any conference care about who's fb team does what?
@@tjbean6472 Exactly. And if a P2 conference brought in UNC/UVA, they would literally lose tens of millions of dollars a year each as neither school generates revenue anywhere near the payout. And where do those tens of millions come from? The conference? No, the member schools.
Because FSU needs to pay Up with there Toxic selves$They will be no being kicked out for free!
Maybe U FL goes to the Big 10 and FSU goes to the SEC. Everybody thinks AAU is the driver because of academics. Wrong. What the AAU is all about is 10s of billions of dollars of research grants to those member schools and the Big ten schools are the main driver of that and where a lot of that money ends up. U FL has been AAU for a longtime. For instance GT gets around 3 billion annually in research grants, they are AAU. If I were the U FL I would have to seriously consider if ask to join just because of the amount of research money gained or lost. Don't know if they are under consideration by the Big 10 or not, just something that I see as a possibility. Big money talks. And we're talking big money. The athletic dollars are nothing in comparison.
If research was that lucrative to networks, we'd be viewing research labs as content. It's not. FSU drives views not Georgia Tech
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. What I'm talking about has nothing to do with TV nothing to do with football but the Big ten requires their schools to be AAU and to also have successful athletic programs but the big money is the research grants which has nothing to do with sports money but has everything to do with school presidents making decisions about where to go. You ain't getting it@@citywideyouthdevelopmentfr253
Finebaum is just fanning the flames. There are people in the B1G that may not want FSU due to academics so he's just trying to get that ball rolling. It's like a jedi mind trick.
Due to academics? FSU is ranked #53, tied with Minnesota and ahead of, in order, Michigan State, Penn State, Indiana, Iowa, Oregon and Nebraska. Note that the last team taken by the B1G was Oregon who isn’t even in the top 100. Tell me again about those academics.
Traditionalists may not want FSU in their conferences but the time to be traditional is a thing of the past. The P2 is attempting to maximize their revenue to prepare for the inevitability of paying their players.
@@roris5882 Actually m it’s ALL about the money now and they would be the first to tell you. FSU is a virtual cash machine.
@@505premoto Research and academics, yes. All B1G schools are in the AAU except for Nebraska who was when it was allowed into the B1G. This includes all new members: Oregon, Washington, USC, and UCLA. So yes, FSU would be one of 2 schools in the entire conference not in the AAU. People care about this.
@@jesses5463 Not for the powers to be. Here is an exercise you can do for yourself. Go to your internet search engine and type in………AAU is not a requirement for the BigTen. Let me know what you found.
I presume that you know that neither Ohio State nor Michigan State were AAU when they joined the conference.
Finebbomb , sour grapes .
Everything Finebaum says goes through 9 layers of SEC filter.
At the same time, he is likely somewhat correct here.
FSU is down the list for the B1G.
They 10000% prefer ND.
And likely UNC as well.
Virginia/VaTech would give them more regional ties with Maryland and both rate higher Academically. --I doubt academics matter THAT much TBH.
But more so it is FOX that matters. They pay the B1G bills, and they have no real need to go get FSU.
As was seen with OW/UO Murdoch makes the call for the B1G under this new contract.
Do B1G admins want FSU? Likely Not.
Who cares. They didn't want Oregon either.
Voices like Finebaum is why FSU was kept out of the Playoffs.
I have been saying since last year , FSU is not academically acceptable to the Big Ten. Apparently you don’t understand that football isn’t enough..
Being an AAU member is an important part of being a member of the Big Ten. The Big Ten makes a lot of money with research. More than football. Florida State is not an AAU member but is very close to becoming a member. They were a finalist last year. I believe Miami just became an AAU member.
What is not mentioned in all of this on the academic side is the fact that these schools make millions and billions of dollars from being partnered with the other elite universities within the conference via federal research grants and start up research funds. Yes the schools outside of the conference make a lot of money on the athletics side … but the schools are raking in billions on the academic side by partnering together and that is hugely important to the schools in the Big10
You lost me at Paul Fineboob. He’s not close to a premier broadcaster around. He’s a SEC hack.
The big ten would have to sell their academic soul to let fsu in. Fsu not a top flight academic school by any stretch.
He, Finebaum is JEALOUS !
That is my opinion .
This is the B1G, Not the pac. It has to meet both. It’s about research dollars too.
Because they have standards and Clemson and FSU don't 😂
Click, click, click, click eh? You don’t need to do this. I like your 12 coverage.
No credibility with Josh Pate. His mouth is a fountain of misinformation. Report facts not conjecture. Thanks John
Never knew Canelo Alvarez was a NCAA football fan.
North Carolina the state will lose a lot of money if NCSU is left out, Virginia will lose money if VT is left out. There is simply no comparison to UCLA/Cal or Ok St and OU or anybody else. this is a different animal
I don’t think any of those schools are P2 material. Those conferences are in it for the money and want to make more, not less. A school is either additive or dilutive. No school in NC or VA is even remotely close to additive. So, it’s a moot point. The ACC is safe.
@@505premoto UNC has a shot but the other 3 I agree with you.
@@purpleivory2 Just curious, have you looked at the numbers for UNC? They are no where near what you might think. They rank sixth in the ACC in CFB viewership, behind Duke. CFB is what pays the bills. Eyeballs = Money, no eyeballs, no money. The ACC payout is now $44m. I doubt that they generate that much. In a P2 conference with a $70m payout, they would be dilutive. I don’t have anything against them, I am just a numbers nerd who just analyzes the data and the result is the result. No bias.
FSU will be in the big 10 when all said and done
SEC wants florida state and Clemson, big 10 is to stretched out across the country, so when they are ready florida state and Clemson welcome to SEC.
Curious... For how long and by how many professionals must it be reported that CLEMSON and FSU are low expansion priorities for the SEC (and B1G)?
BigTen 1 title in the last 10 years
The fear is real 😂😂😂😂
BIG XII is the best for Fl St.
People seem to forget schools like Ohio state etc weren't aau accredited when they joined the big 10 . Ohh and thats not to mention that they're not looking at academics for this but other things like market , recruitment etc for this
Lmao, lol. AAU began in 1914 for undergrad institutions and OSU joined the Big Ten in 1912. I mean, it’s just weird to talk about what was happening more than 100 years ago with these institutions.
MSU wasn't AAU and not OSU. 😂
Ohio State is currently thee biggest brand with thee largest fan base. So that sounds like an excellent investment.
@@roris5882yes, the brand that won its last championship after Fsu won the year before. Fsu all time record against The Ohio state 3-0!
@@EveryoneHasAVoice Obviously FSU would be more valuable playing against B1G opponents.
B10 can get into Florida via Miami once the ACC implodes. Miami is a better fit culturally. academically etc... B10 keeps showing for a decade they don't want FSU and people still don't get it, no matter what they do or say.
More ACC haters the ACC will not implode!
@@jmath1978 More than half of their schools want to leave, keep the delusion alive. To hold this delusion you must be a fan of one of the school that would be left in the wilderness..ie...Washington State & Oregon State when P12 imploded. Thus, you must hold on to this dream. ACC is done, the question is whether it's months or years.
His comment is a msg: neither sec or Big10 are rushing to grab up teams like a feeding frenzy-sec has its process and Big10 has its process a part of which ic very particular set of Big10 presidents who need a football power BUT school must also check off some unique Big10 requirement: AAU membership, research collabotation, exisitng academic and personal relations in and to the Big10.
You just stated Finebaum's angle. "The SEC doesn't really care about academics." The SEC (Finebaum) wants FSU in the SEC/the Big 10 out of the Southeast.
AAU membership has still been important to the B1G. There was talk of getting rid of that but recently it looked like they would try to uphold it. I do think ultimately the money and need to not get left out of growth will beat out the academic influence. It's literally a topic of debate among B1G schools as we speak.
So an upcoming video about UTAH waiting for the B1G to call is like a girl that looks like one of the Kelsey brothers is waiting for an invitation date to the Sr. Prom. Not happening.
Seriously, WTH would the B1G want Utah with a real market value of $22 mm /yet net net when it's published fact that TTDS (BYU) wAs the near $77 mm shot. Utah keeps embarrassing itself. 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
The additions SEC has added in last 15 years have been AAU members except Oklahoma. Improving academic standards is important to the presidents when all things are equal. SEC adding UNC and Virginia makes more sense than FSU and Clemson.
The term "realignment" is no longer valid. The new term is "expansion." Whether the P2 will further expand anytime soon is up in the air. For the 10, it hinges on Notre Dame. If ND joins, then it must find a 20th member.
Florida State isn’t an AAU university and they’re not their state’s flagship school. The Big 10 isn’t going to break that standard for FSU. I’ve been saying this for months now.
Nice to see someone finally coming around to what I’ve been saying. Thank you Mr. Finebaum.
Have you been living under a rock? B1G Commissioner has already stated that not having an AAU Membership is not a deal breaker!
“I refer, of course, to the loss of our membership in AAU,” he said. “But since then, our enrollment has grown, we have become more attractive to non-resident and international students, our research trajectory has continued to exceed the pace of most AAU institutions, we competed for and won designation as a (University Affiliated Research Center), one of only 14 in the country, we have tripled our national academy memberships, and our rankings, for what they are worth, in U.S. News and World Report have steadily improved, now being at the highest in the history of the university.
Is there a reason the Big12 wouldn’t be considered?
Power 2 conferences want Florida State to accept a massive discount to join their conference.
Yes, they want Fsu to humble themselves to join the big money because if they come in on a full share, the recruits OSU and Michigan used to steal won't give them the time of day! Money talks!
Massive discount. I mean MASSIVE discount, in fact, FSU would be paying them. Oh, yes, I am sure that would be the story and not the fact that FSU would be in the top five in revenue generation. But who cares about money?
I am sure Fox would be willing to give FSU a full share for the B1G to move into Florida and the SEC's backyard.
@@roris5882 They are far too valuable to not get a full share. The B1G would make literally tens of millions of new money. Would you give a school $60m if they made you a $110m?
@@505premoto Plus the B1G has to expand their national footprint into the South for the recruiting benefits.
Go Good Hands Conference
FSU alumni/fans better think twice about jumping into the frozen 10, it will not help their recruiting, and winter travel is not easy. Doubt many FSU folks know what de-icing a plane is, nor have they set in a wind driven sub freezing climate for 4 long quarters. 👎🏽👎🏽
@@StanSmith-i8d Are you for real? Try getting a map out and look where Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville are. It won’t help their recruiting? And you know that how? Last year’s #1 wide receiver, Jeremiah Smith, from South Florida signed with Ohio State. I would posit a guess that recruiting is not a subject that you know anything about.
@@505premoto Ohio State stole a recruit from Florida lmfao your right do you want Ohio State to steal more??? How many Ohio State recruits are flipping to Florida State??? Think before you speak you don't want more elite teams getting into your recruiting territory???
Unlike an NFL fan base, where the fans are indeed local, and you don’t see large swaths of the fan bases traveling to away games, college athletics is different. Mark it down, as a Southern, most don’t want to travel into the dead northern winter wonderland.
Academics and native American imagery are issues for those who run the B1G. I know it doesn't make sense $ wise but it's an issue for multiple B1G schools. They forced Illinois to lose their native American imagery.
@@WilliamFijolek Well, just one problem with that. The Seminole tribe of Florida are huge supporters of the school and very proud of it. Also, all Seminole tribe members get free tuition. If some troublemaker tries to make an issue out of it, they are not going to like the outcome.
FSU has a great relationship with the Seminole tribe of Florida who make Chief Osceolas uniform. The Florida State Seminoles are a source of pride, charitable benefactor, and symbiosis for the tribe. This isn't an exploration macot such as the Washington NFL team or the Cleveland MLB team had but one done in honor, respect, and partnership with the state ov Florida's indigenous people...
@@kinesjl And, I might add that the team slogan UNCONQUERED pays tribute to the fact that the Seminoles are the only Native American tribe that never signed a peace treaty with the palefaces in Washington. This year, the team is honoring the tribe with special turquoise uniforms which everyone is excited about.
Big 10 doesn't want any more jorts. They already have rutgers
They don’t have AAU membership!! The Big Ten WILL NOT TAKE THEM!!! And yes, I’m yelling! My God it’s so simple and obvious.
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The Pac 12 is gone yes. The B12 lost their star power too.
The ONLY way FSU earns their AAU membership is if they join the B1G because they aren't going out of their way to help anyone get voted in if they don't join their conference. FSU already has the academics to qualify. They just require the B1G's academic influence to get them voted in.
This is may be legitimate for Clemson, not FSU though.
You're speaking from an opinionative point of view and not facts.
@@GodTreGuttaiAMgOd okay well factually FSU is ranked 53rd in the nation, in front of schools like Penn State, MSU, Indiana, and Oregon. They’re on par with the mid tier academic Big Ten schools. Meanwhile, Clemson is ranked 86th in the nation, which is only better than Nebraska and maybe Iowa? Academics will not be a huge hurdle for FSU getting into the Big Ten, but it could be a big one for Clemson.
@@Conorj398 Ooohh okay bru I see now, I must of misinterpreted your original post.GO NOLES!!
@@GodTreGuttaiAMgOd o yeah the Big Ten 100% would take FSU in a heartbeat. If they expand again, I think it will at least be in a pod of 4, but I believe they would take FSU, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Stanford, and Virginia all before Clemson. Maybe even Cal or Georgia Tech. The presidents value academic and research dollars more than people think (the original deal was for USC and Oregon and the presidents forced it to be UCLA instead) but this is only a real issue with Clemson. FSU is not the best academics, but they’ve clearly been on the rise and are borderline top 50. Far from bad and many Big Ten schools are within that range. Finebaum is talking out his ass here.
SEC fan here.
Did not want Texas and definitely don't want FSU or Clemson.
Please take them Big 12!
The consolidation of the most valuable schools was inevitable after the players were finally able to get paid.
@@nathangibson2114 The SEC didn’t want Texas? Really? Cite your source because EVERY school president voted for them. It was unanimous. Curious as to your source.
@@505premoto His source is his mom. She told him he was special....short bus special.
Who is a fan of a conference. No one. We are fans of our team not a conference. Must be a Gator, Mississippi school maybe Arkansas. Since their teams suck, they root for Bama and UGA and claim SEC😊
@@aaronrowe6604 The worst schools are the ones who cloak themselves in the SEC blanket the most.
The SEC is the loved conference in Fla. FSU will have a tougher sell being in the Big. The Big should not try to go toe to toe with the SEC in SEC country.
I presume you are trolling. Quite obviously you have not looked at the rosters of any B1G team. Last year’s top receiver, who was from Miami, went to Ohio State.
The B1G is going to move into the SEC's backyard and put them out of business by consuming their best programs. After the B1G adds ND the SEC will be paying their players half as much.
Operation Osceola will ensure FSU moves to the Big 12. Private equity will use them and Clemson to make the Big 12 relevant. What was the inevitable P2 SuperConference will now be a P3, as money talks. This is a good thing for the Teams that otherwise would have been left out.
geez you b12 homers wish and dream alot. lol I guess misery loves company right Jon
no tv, media or people going to Kansas or into the heartland for more money. why? no eye balls and no money.
Misinformation. Think logical,why would Florida State University have a lawsuit costing millions of dollars against their current conference to leave, only to go make an lateral move to a conference that is receiving the same or a little less media rights money than they're currently receiving from their own conference? Make it make sense!
@@bigtomcallahaniv3072 So FSU is spending millions of dollars in legal fees to move laterally? Really? The difference in playoff money is $10m a year alone. There is less than a zero chance of that happening.
@@505premoto You do know that FSU has already hired JP Morgan to broker private equity deals, correct? If not, look up Operation Osceola. From a money perspective, a deal with the Big 12 and CSC Capital will close the gap. Also remember, that Disney owns ESPN and that private equity money controls Disney. Not sure why FSU would be paying JP Morgan for private equity deals if they were not seriously open to the idea.
@@bigtomcallahaniv3072 Apparently there must be some misconception about FSU and private equity. FSU entered into a short term contract with JP Morgan for the purpose of having the banking and investment giant identify firms that would be interested in discussing PE with the university. That was JP Morgan’s only role. Morgan identified two firms and gave FSU those names. That was the extent of Morgan’s involvement. One of the firms identified was quickly eliminated. The other firm, Sixth Street was asked to submit a proposal to the university to provide PE. Sixth Street then provided such a proposal, which was made public with some redactions. FSU never engaged into any further communication with Sixth Street. The stance of the university regarding obtaining the money to exit the conference after FSU and the ACC reach a settlement is to finance it themselves, not to obtain PE. FSU currently has a $500m bond for capital improvements in which they can shuffle money around to pay the settlement which many think will be around $180-220m. The university also has further internal options to make the settlement payment. There is zero interest by FSU in joining any conference other than a P2. No disrespect intended.
I heard FSU and Miami are applicants to the AAU. They, along with Georgia are soon to get in.
Miami is already AAU
@@stevenmcneely1466 Tanks for the update.
UGA will get voted in after joining the B1G, no different then FSU.
@@roris5882 hahaha what? lol
@@merl-bz1bxlol, like why do some people even speak when they're not even making any damn sense.
Maybe he has a point… I’ve always felt the B1G achieves the same goals by picking up Miami, and they were just added to the AAU in 2023.
That was a joke right?
@@GodTreGuttaiAMgOd , why would it be a joke? The joke would be that ya'll think that FSU is so valuable when in the grand scheme of things, they're not more valuable than Miami. Matter of fact, Miami ranks in the top 10 in College football brand while FSU ranks between 13-17th.
@@malcolmjones27 if that was true then how come all your home games be damn empty with hardly any fans and the only time y'all pack Doak South is of course when when y'all play Florida State because it's y'all Super Bowl lol. But at the same time y'all's so called "brand" a few years ago I believe it was in a Sports illustrated article it labeled the University of Miami logo was the most hated in all sports in the entire world. So I don't know where you get this inaccurate notation of Miami football "brand" being adorned by CFB fans and the media. And especially since the last time Miami has won a championship or won anything of significance in over 20 years.
@@GodTreGuttaiAMgOd what language was this?
@@jjreider8668 You trying to go that route but u can't dispute what I said 😂 it just shows your lack of verbal intellect. Maybe you're just remedial.. typical sugar cane fan. 😂🤣😭
Dude you don't know wtf you talking about
We don't know wtf you're talking about. Do you know how to add a subject or context?
@grondhero bro shouldn't you be getting ready to marry your sister😬🤣🤣🤣
@grondhero where are you Bob😅😅
John, I am an Ohioan and have told you that many times in your livestream chat and the comment sections. The Big 10 doesn't want FSU. If Ohio State has been getting the best Floridian talent from Cris Carter to Joey Bosa to Jeremiah Smith fore FREE and making $60 million without adding FSU, why wouls the Big 10 add FSU? Exactly.
Said thus from day one, FSU is going to do all this to end up in the B12, Kurtz should be happy. B10 nor SEC wants FSU in reality, if they did they could have had them long ago. However in every expansion by both conferences FSU was not in the mix.B10 has shown many time they aren't interested in FSU, There is a reason when they were looking for ACC teams in the past FSU was never in the conversation, it was schools like UNC & Virginia or even Gtech and Miami, when they added MD. FYI, being a big whiner cry baby is making things even worse. B10 doesn't run that way and they don't want an inflated ego blowhard with delusions of grandeur like FSU. besides the poor cultural fit and academic potential issues.
We don't want FSU. UNC , UVA, yes, G Tech maybe.
FSU is best suited for the Big12. They prefer being the big dog in a smaller pond.
Meanwhile Fox gave the B1G Ten the ok to add Florida State at the same time Fox still have not gave the ok to add Miami…
SEC didn’t need to add Texas to get into the State of Texas. It’s just a matter of time that FSU is AAU. I think ESPN would have to pay for a 9th SEC conference game and pay full share to FSU for the SEC to take FSU. If so Clemson would be their realignment partner.
John I agree with everything you said Florida State is not going to be left out because of academics. What I don't like about the BIG10 is the geographic part of it everyone is really excited about Ohio State, Michigan match ups, but we are only going to see those matches what every team 6yrs because of the size of the conference and now you have to start adding in the travel costs of going to the west coast and I'm not looking forward to seeing Florida State playing Illinois, Rutgers, Indiana, Maryland, Purdue, Minnesota, NorthWestern ECT... The rivals with Miami and Florida will end that's not Florida State football I think it's sad what's happening to the sport we all grew up to love!!! Florida State is better than the BIG10 watching the BIG10 play football is like watching dead grass grow!!! Florida State deserves better the SEC would be amazing football for them. The energy would be amazing between Florida State and SEC schools!!!
This dude wants to ACC to break up so bad. News flash. The Big 12 is still going to be garbage lmao
Yeap they are alot of ACC haters on the net!
Nor the sec or big10 want fs after all the kitchen and hell raising they been doing in the acc. Besides , it all about the money the big10/sec are being paid. Ask Georgia how good they 63 to 3.
U live in a single wide trailer don't you? Or better yet your mom's basement because of your lack of cognitive thinking, it's merely impossible your having any success in life.
Tradition still matters in the B1G
It’s still primarily a contiguous conference outside of its new west coast schools. And the former PAC schools have a shared tradition of Rose Bowl match ups.
The B1G's stated goal is a NATIONAL conference.
@@TheLAGopher Oh, really? Fox wants to add a Florida school as their top priority. Seeing as how Fox is paying the B1G $8b to air B1G games, what Fox wants, Fox gets.
As an SEC guy, I have no interest in Florida State and Clemson the SEC if they’re going to expand needs to go after Kansas Notre Dame, North Carolina and Virginia no interest in anybody else
We don’t want them in the SEC either.
Yeah because they will kick ass
@@porterosbournejr.5083 Exactly who is this we of which you speak? You? You don’t speak for anyone and you don’t have the vaguest idea of what the powers at the SEC want.
@@mikemulrennan7948 yeah right…we’re afraid of a program that has zero playoff wins 🤦♂️
@@505premoto oh, if you only knew who I was.
Well, tell us who you are, Mister Know It All.
the big ten shares their research money. that is why they require AAU membership. your millions of dollars in sport doesn't even come close to the 1 billion dollars Washington brings in research dollar. your sports numbers don't matter, its research money which is what the AAU is about not academics. and Nortre Dame, Miami and AZ state and South Florida all were added to the AAU recently. I'd bet South Florida has a better chance to get into the big ten than Florida state. Albeit, Oregon's less than 100 million in research dollars doesn't bring much to the big ten. but they are one of the smallest members of the AAU.
FSU is not AAU yet but they are a tier 1 research university already with 2.94 billion in research grants last year alone
Tell me you don't know what you're talking about without telling me you don't know what you're talking about.
@@oauthoracle6942 Who requires AAU membership?