Is The AI Shortcut Worth It?
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2024
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In this video, I recreate some of my artworks using AI. I also share my opinions on whether I think this tool is comparable to some of my established methods of creating reference photos. Let me know in the comments if you use AI in your art practices or if this is something that concerns you.
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• AI art, explained
• Why AI art struggles with hands
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• AI: What is the future of artificial intelligence
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The problem with AI is regular people are typing words and calling themselves ARTIST . and they have more followers than regular artist . this is an issue
Follows are not about quality but quantity 💁♂
Only few people have the interest within the wicked wide field of art to learn how to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Your citique is valid enough though, because follows makes money. I'd rather see the money flow towards skilled artists than towards prompters.
Ai is definitely a threat to visual Artists. imagine someone taking hours or days trying to figure out a good reference picture only for Ai to manipulate(generate) one in seconds..
@@henrysangandu9905 A good and creative Idea is a good and creative idea, it doesn't matter if you're using analog film, digital cameras, Photoshop or AI. A prompt transports an Idea and every artist who experiments with ai knows in seconds after using it, that even though you had a good idea and written a good prompt, the output only resonates with you in a few cases. So you got an iterative creative process where an artist works with ai and uses ai to build his vision not the other way around. There's simply no difference to for example sketching where you will also work in iterations from sketch to sketch to search for the best, the same for Kompositions in a studio and reference images or Photoshop arrangements.
It depends, because people who value physical and digital art pieces made by real people who are really good at it or world class in their own niche will be in business on a smaller scale or be recognized for it by people, even if it has to do with any industry doing the same thing as what an AI can generate and better. Because people will be looking for the human soul in what they consume eventually.
I don't know... to me Ai feels very veeeeeery detached. I'm not a part of it, but an observer. It eliminated my favourite part- actually making this stuff.
Jono. It’s not “creating”.
It’s GENERATING
Ask AI. It’ll say that itself.
@@betheartof it generates based on your prompt, a prompt which you created. You're also checking the outputs, evaluate them, see if they resonate with your initial idea for the prompt and keep on adapting to form your prompt or even use other inputs apart from a prompt to form a desired output. Tell me where that is not a creative process.
@@soziologeek3340 it generates based on real artworks
That true, they don't create but generate
The bulk of AI is built on stolen data sets and others peoples works I couldn't in good faith use it knowing it's taking from others peoples outputs. The legal battles and the bankrupt corrupt companies and creating a bubble that is about to burst and in the end the people who used it using others work will be remembered. However if you are using your own works and training a model on your own images that can be more ethical but I do think as an artist it's a slippery slope to begin basically "skipping" what in essence is the whole point of why we create. The process is where the artistic voice lives and I never in my life of 5 years of watching you thought you would want to take the shortest route possible. I think when you start to look down that barrel of that gun you need to ask yourself "is it something I still want to do?"
I would argue that the so called "inspirations" that most artists got during their lives are quite similar to a trained AI Model. I mean we are all kind of trained models who collect impressions of nature, our surroundings and Artworks of other people all the time, walking around, giving outputs and creating Artwork which are recombinations of impressions of our lives. The only real difference is that in one case there's a big company which gains profits while people use it for their own profits and in the other case it's just an individual which gains profits.
@@soziologeek3340 neurological scientists have at length already proven why human experiences are not the same as machine algorithms and comparing a lived experience to a piece of silicone is just plain silly at this point. Honestly it's the argument I hear from people who aren't artists and have never tried creating anything in their lives and constantly wanna push a button the jumps straight to the end result. In the end when the legal cases end and the bubble finally bursts all that will be left will be people looking for real creators
so true,.ture art is in th process,.AI is crap garbage lazy and for the untalented
Ai isn’t using peoples work as inspiration. It’s stealing work.
@@TheBlondiekitten the works are not one to one in a trained model so it's not stealing, it's a trained model, not a copy.
No. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
I feel it will mostly be used in the commercial world to get things done quicker. It's a tool like any other. I feel that art collectors will always want to see the hand of the artist in their work and will be equally knowledgeable about what AI art looks like. Part of what makes art worth collecting is knowing that the art is created by hand and the artists process, is part of why a collector buys the art. Otherwise any collector could just make their own AI artwork and hang it on their own walls. This is not why collectors buy art. Part of it is knowing who the artist is and usually developing a professional relationship with them. Obviously people also buy artwork because it moves them in some way. Usually it's the artist's concept that a person can relate to. Oftentimes, ways the artist never imagined. I feel the. buyer/collector likes to connect to the artist as well because they know, or feel they know that the artist "gets them", or had a shared experience. THIS is what art is about. The connection of the artist, the art and the final collector in the end. AI has none of that and therefore will be regulated to mostly a tool for concept generation and use in the commercial world to get things done quickly. Just my opinion. I'm looking forward to hearing others for good or bad.
Ai is astounding but it's the limitless endeavour of human imagination that gives art it's spark. The process of personal growth, sacrifice, frustration, revelation in developing within the Idea stage. That is where magic is born. Wobbly midnight sketches that ignite into year long masterpieces. That direct link between mind, body and hand. If I'm seeing replica's of your work with the same technical mastery, just based on prompts, it's soulless to me. There's just too many endless variables that Ai could do the work for you. Even if it seems closer to a vision you have, you can't take credit or pride for it in the same way. They aren't real people, real muscles, hairs. It's just a connection to an illusion.
Well said! 👍
AI is very different from the old "short cuts" from the past mentioned in the video, as it was fed with the work of other artists. It's NOT a tool, it's something else
Im scared on the fact that people may very well create an artwork using soley AI without using any drawing skills and label it as their own art.
Compared to someone merely copying you and saying they drew it. This is worse in that people wouldn’t tell the difference. Im mean pinterest already proves that.
Absolutely loved your take on this, I think it's very fair to assume that every new "tool" came with some backlash from previous generations. On one hand I'm quite unbothered by this type of tool because I think art made by people will never die out and with or without AI. A current wave of paintings, random splatters that just make for a piece that looks good with a furniture is just as dangerous as AI generated imagery. You're the first great artist that I truly love which has an honest take and more than that, has the best conclusion, Let's talk about it.
The clue is in the name...ARTIFICIAL. With AI, we are increasingly going to doubt the authenticity of an artist's work.
That's dangerous. We'll see where it takes us in the next 10 years.
the courtrooms
It's horrid. I'm to the point where I wish computers didn't even get as far as they have. You can't believe a damn thing these days. I wouldn't, and don't, believe a human did anything by hand unless I see it beginning to end. Why have artists? Why bother when you can get the same thing artificially? That's where this is going. I don't call it art if everything is done by computer including printing out the first 'original' copy. In an age where trades/crafts (no, not gluing a bunch of fake flowers to a premade frame and putting in a generic picture from the internet is NOT the definition of craft here) are dying because of technology and wanting everything immediately, this is just another nail in the coffin. I'd rather have cupboards made by a wood worker than IKEA, metal railings made by a blacksmith than some factory in China...this is the same shit, different pile. LOATHE it so much so that anyone who starts to use this as their 'process' is off my subscribe list and will never get my support.
AI is a tool, just like the camera or computer or crayons or watercolours these are all tools. For art, true art it comes from within the human soul, a direct gift from God. So in my humble opinion, no "tool" can replace the true Artist.
Like in chess, Ai is already superior but that is not the point, like using maps it gives you an alternative to the routes you didn't think about before. Some of the Ai generated images are even more imaginative then yours but it is like comparing yourself to the better artist for the inspiration. Think of Assyrian, Mesopotamian, Egyptian art BC, it is still monumental and timeless and they did it without any of modern technologies...
Cameras, computers and printers create pictures, people create art. There's a distinct difference in shopping at Walmart or the dollar store rather than becoming a client of a artist or gallery.
@0:08 this is not midjourney... but actual 3d animation and illustration.
Okay I'm gonna sound like I'm playing the devil's advocate here. Maybe it might sound biased because I am an AI engineer too. My fascination of AI comes from seeing how well pattern recognition from large datasets has started working.
This boom of AI happened while I was in university getting my bachelors degree. I remember taking AI and Machine Learning I'm one semester and at that time, everyone was focused on a certain kind of technology. The next semester I took Deep Learning, at that time we started learning about GANs (generative adversarial networks) which looked like they were able to come up with images really well, given the input data. I failed that course but I was hooked. The entire summer break I kept reading research papers on GANs and trying to implement them. I used my own photography as the dataset because I wanted it to replicate my style. But GANs never really could get there...
When I re-took the course I my final semester, mid journey and stable diffusion had come out rendering GANs obsolete. So when I presented my implementations to my professor and asked how to incorporate NLP (natural language processing) into my GAN implementation, he told me to research diffusion models instead.
Lo and behold, that was the key! While my model was never as good as mid journey or stable diffusion, it managed to understand my style. Lot's of oranges in the generated images showed that it had picked up my craze for shooting sunsets.
To me, that's what I find fascinating about AI.
Ai is good for a quick reference but nothing compares to the ingenuity of human creativity and real life forms. Ai art is just a copy of what already exists. How we look at creativity may change. If someone is able to create something that ai can’t populate, I believe it will hold more value.
Hey Jono. Looking at your amazing work on your site. What's the deal with the baphomet style horns. I don't understand the meaning other than the obvious connotations. Sorry if this makes me stupid. Great work
I find it restricting imagination when Ai just does what it. Wants but where is the creative process ….I’ve struggle with it as creating visual image and got rid of Ai from my desktop prefer finding my own creative process it will take a bit longer but its way more satisfying……also found looking at screen all the time it drains me….where as working with pencil or brush is not as tiring but more fun.😊 Thanks for your insight
A more sympathetic voice. I lost my elbow and fine motor skills in my hands to cancer. I’ve spent my entire career as an artist. Being creative is an innate drive within me. Not being able to draw anymore is maddening. It’s an itch I just can’t scratch. I’ve turned to generative art as a way to satisfy that creative urge. Like any tool, you gain confidence the more you use it. I’m getting closer to my visions and learning how to manipulate the software to give me what I want. I agree that more needs to be done to recognize the artists it trains on. Who knows, maybe some of my original art is in there somewhere. Right now I view it as any art tool I’ve used in the past. Now if someone can give me new arms to be able to draw again, I would happily go back to my art instead of whispering descriptions into the ear of a machine.
Been waiting for n ai vid from u!
1st like from india ❤
physical stuff will always have its value
Personally as an artist i think using reference photo is one thing if your trying to solve a design problem, photography etc. However using Ai to generate whole concepts in my opinion kills creativity thinking process . Still fun to use it though, where can i find it?
He used midjourney ai
Great video
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Interesting take. I have been using AI for my reference material. Even with it, I would prefer to continue exploring photography for the same reasons stated in the video.
it's the new Pinterest for reference, for better or worse... "It's a huge shortcut" for sure, so if you enjoy a process then use it, AI or not, just find a process you enjoy.
When I was a designer for 10 years at a publishing house I used clip-art thousands upon thousands of times. When I owned a sign company for nearly ten years my art was always a bi-product of reference. I love the idea of 'draw it until you can draw it in any pose at any angle in any lighting with your eyes closed' but who has that kind of time, or the drive to be that amazing. I've always used reference and AI is now part of the reference bank.
The idea of stolen art is a slippery slope, unless you're in a cave in neolithic times or you're blind or something your art is based on other art made by those who created before you, all art is iterative.
One last point is that if AI is going to be sentient some day then maybe it's really important that it gets well versed in music and the arts.
Embrace change!
Great video, nice, chill vibe! We'll done for sure!
That's not being an artist, it's called 'learning and using a program'. I could do it and put out 'art' that uses less talent in art and more just knowing how to type. If that's what you want being an 'artist' to decline to, then it's just sad times for everyone.
Do you think AI is going to hurt human art or the opposite? I mean those prompts were pretty close to your artworks that you spent a lot of time on.
not a threat at all.. there alot so tools out there to aid the artist... in fact with Ai you can print you art to high res instead of even drawing it !! what do you think of that ? soooo, is this the craftsman like shoe smith or even blockbusters?
No it’s not worth it.
Well if you wanted to use it for a reference it's a good reference tool. But the images generated are clearly photoshopped from separate image mashed up. Doesn't look hand drawn at all, so if someone wanted traditional looking art it wouldn't be better than a human at that
The one thing I can see it being useful for is maybe making a reference of an idea so you can draw it.
AI doesn't make creating art easier... it makes producing art easier. AI doesn't create anything. It just pulls creations together and spits them out.
AI it's not a skill...
Good to know your views as AI creates a lot of insecurities but I believe inventions always creates reservation first and then acceptance
I guess I'll copy it from AI
How bloody depressing :(
I really don't feel threatened and no one should...i would prefer getting an idea from their than getting the entire story of the work...a drawing should be unique and not anything you can find online
Interesting and unthreatened, honest opinion.
I hope you never turn to AI, your work is just too awesome for the world not to have your talent in it's raw and un processed form.
We can use it as a tool for creating along side of our creativity, or we can do nothing and let it take over our creative output. We control what it does and doesn't do. As I see it now, we have a responsibility to stay ahead of AI and guide it where we want it to go. That is to work as a tool with us, or to let it take over then complain about it and what we should have done. It's our decision to make...
I think, the more we resist the possible domination of AI, the more it will persists. So let's just use it to our advantage by leveraging on it or make better arts that AI can not generate.
It's soul-less
Who else is scared?
Mostly scared about what it means for the web. People (hopefully) will become annoyed at sites that are already overrun with AI art, bots, videos, news articles etc. What's left? Like I'm already annoyed at the little interaction that's happening now, this will only get worse. What kind of humans will even want to go to those online spaces where they're not actually interacting with anyone? (I'm scared either a large part of the web will die, or maybe worse, it won't...)
Corporations will use AI. Why should they pay when AI will generate it for free. Maybe it's not perfect today, but it will develop and then what? My opinion? Do your thing and let the world do its thing.
What AI app did you use?
I’ve tried them and I could never get what I was looking for.
He's using Midjourney. I've also seen some good results from Night Cafe
He used Midjourney, which is capable of producing pretty good results, but you're mostly limited to your prompt. If you want to go deep into the ai rabbit hole try something like rundiffusion (or run stable Diffusion locally if you have a PC with a modern Nvidia GPU) and use something like fooocus ui with stable Diffusion models for the start and if you're deep down the rabbit hole you'll some day end with huge workflows in comfyui with lots and lots of Plugins which enable control over a lot of aspects in the generation process which far exceed just a prompt.
IMO AI is just another tool for artists to explore and create with, but nothing will ever replace traditional painting, drawing, sculpture. Jono Dry's work/art is stunning, AI engineering/magic compliments it, but does not surpass what his mind and hand can create.
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Use AI as inspiration... And make your own magna opus....
Jono. It’s not “creating”.
It’s GENERATING
Ask AI. It’ll say that itself.